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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality with King, honey is an emergency,

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Speaker 1: It's a bird, it's a plane. No, it's the end

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Speaker 1: of an era. We have to talk about the breaking

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Speaker 1: news of what's been happening today in the sense of

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Speaker 1: coming to an end. But with a twist, I could

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Speaker 1: not do this episode. Hello, please help me In breaking back,

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Speaker 1: fan favorite gip said John Well I'm happy to have

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Speaker 1: I think we all knew where we were when we

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Speaker 1: first heard that Arianna was being cheated on by Tom

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Speaker 1: when major events happened in the world. And today we

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Speaker 1: that have Ban the Poem Rules original cast is out

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Speaker 1: a brand new cast of young kull Falls. Break it

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Speaker 1: down to me, Gibson, what's going on here? I'm like

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Speaker 2: This this sort of brings Lisa back into the set

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Speaker 2: I think their budgets were all ballooning. I think that

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Speaker 2: It was going to be expensive, and yeah, it's gonna

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Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know. It threw me for

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? Do you think it's

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Speaker 1: horrible season that we have a Roney reboot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I'm sad about it. My initial

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Speaker 2: and it's it's weird because the show two seasons ago,

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Speaker 2: than I think a Housewives does in terms of wiping

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Speaker 1: And here's why I'm sick and tired of talent on

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Speaker 1: No one's safe. It's an ensemble show. It's a group. Okay,

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Speaker 1: because yes, you can be the star of the ensemble show.

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Speaker 1: But make no mistake, it doesn't mean that the show

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Speaker 1: Lebron James is arguably the greatest athlete of all time

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Speaker 2: And that's what vander Hump Rules ultimately has always been

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Speaker 2: And and I was thinking about it because I'm like

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know, I just think it's so hard

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Speaker 1: No, it's true, it's true. No, that's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's felt like when you jump the shark, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: and on some show that I've ever heard of. But like,

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00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: I think she can continue to do that kind of

432
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: stuff for a while. Personally, I really do. I will

433
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: say this, though she has a good agent.

434
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: I will say this. I will say this. I will

435
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: give Arianna her props when it comes to this. The

436
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: woman studied, she did hosting.

437
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: She's good.

438
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm impressed. I got a chance to see some of

439
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: Love Island. I got a chance to see her do

440
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: the Emmy's after party with like nine leaks and Justin Sylvester.

441
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: I will say this, Gibson, the woman has what it takes.

442
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I'm pushing back is this.

443
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: She was springboarded because of the scandal, and you're she's

444
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: like this reluctant star. I'm gonna say it, And guys,

445
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: it's because I know a lot about how this how

446
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: this shit works. You got those gigs because of the scandal,

447
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: because you were on the tip of everyone's time. You're

448
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: only as good as your last episode. You're only as

449
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: good as your last season. When you when you're agent

450
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, sends you offer gigs and they say, Hi,

451
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: I have Arianno Mattos. What shows y'all currently? Well, you

452
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: know she's hosting Love Island. Is the number one thing

453
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: that showed Peacock okay, is she's so in that show

454
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Man the Pump Rules that gets two million views a week. No,

455
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: that show is done. Oh can we get Bronway from

456
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City?

457
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 4: Because we hear she was talk of the town.

458
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: That's that's that's going to be it. And that's the

459
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: reason why. Because a lot of people are like, why

460
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: are you so hard on Arianna? I'm not hard on

461
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: any of the of my of my reality cast. I

462
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: try to give them advice. My problem with Ariana was

463
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: I wish her agent, her lawyer, her best friend, and

464
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: I saw the producers do it, so shout out to

465
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: the producers. I wish somebody what I said to her,

466
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: love girl. We don't have that much time to milk

467
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: this ship. I understand it's a problem. Give give us

468
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: a scene with you and Tom give us because I'm

469
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: able to at least give you two years of more gigs.

470
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: And La La, in my opinion, became jealous of Arianna,

471
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: and because La La felt like I give my bluff

472
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: went in tears and she did.

473
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 3: She did, Yeah, she did, La La.

474
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: To me, to me, to me. Before the scandal, La

475
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: La was the face of Man the Pump Rules.

476
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: To me, I think she was the most natural reality

477
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: star on that show and probably still is. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,

478
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: I star power.

479
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: I low key feel sorry for her because she did

480
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: give so much of the show. It's like it's like

481
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: giving yourself to any job and all of a sudden

482
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: you get laid off, you know what I mean?

483
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, literally, I think I think, and who knows

484
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: what Season two of The Valley really is going to be,

485
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: but I really do think that like that show will

486
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: ingest one or two of.

487
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: These people at some point, I really do.

488
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: I think you let the dust settle, you kind of

489
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: let the association or whatever kind of reputation they have

490
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: from the past year or two kind of fade away,

491
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: and then you bring them back to the If if

492
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: Lala basically fades from from TV for the next two

493
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: years and then they Bravo teases a big return to

494
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: her on The Valley, I think it would be heralded

495
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: as kind.

496
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: Of a moment, you know what I mean. Like, I

497
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: think that like, you.

498
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: Know, everyone loves a return, and we have we have

499
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: short memories and we're fickle as viewers, and people would

500
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: like to see her back.

501
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: I think in two years. I really do.

502
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: I really think that. So maybe that's the key to you.

503
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: Maybe just wait it out a little bit and keep

504
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: doing your podcast and raising your two daughters, and then

505
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: pitch yourself to Bravo in two years for the Valley

506
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: season four.

507
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I actually agree with that. I think listen,

508
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: I think a Lotla is meant to be in reality television.

509
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: She went too far, she took it to she got,

510
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: she got ahead of her herself.

511
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: You know, Oh she did, she did, she did, and

512
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: that's the listen. Listen, listen, listen. If you are a

513
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: reality star, will want to become one. Listen up. You

514
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: have to have people on your team who tells you

515
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: things you do not want to hear totally, who challenges you. Okay,

516
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: the moment you push back and you feel like you

517
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: know everything, some things you are going to know and

518
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: have an instinct about, and you should ride with that.

519
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: A lot of things you're not going to know because

520
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: you have an emotional reaction to things, and that's going

521
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: to be the problem. So this is what La La says.

522
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: I want to start reading the reactions of the capah.

523
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: So Lala said, where to begin. I was a young

524
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: girl from Salt Lake City. I mean, I wouldn't mind

525
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: seeing La La take Heather down on Salt Lake City.

526
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: But that's put Lala on secret Lizer woman wives.

527
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Right exactly. Okay, So she talks about La La being

528
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: her nickname. Sir was a place that became home. She

529
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: was sipping vodka. Blah blah, blah, blah blah. A short

530
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: time later, Ben the Porrules called whatever she said. I

531
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: want to say thank you for rocking with us for

532
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: so many years. This show changed my whole life. I'm

533
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: unbelievably grateful for every moment. I'm unbelievably grateful for Bravo,

534
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: for NBA Universal, for our crew, the entire cast, and

535
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: most importantly all of you. We rock this bitch out.

536
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: I thought that was a great me too. Now juxtapposed

537
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: that against Arianna. Okay, this is what she had to say.

538
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: I was up till four o'clock in the morning looking

539
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: for all the right pictures.

540
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: Not this voice changed.

541
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: Carlos GiB said, why are you telling me the first

542
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: sentence that you stayed up all I'm looking for photos.

543
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 1: That's not a humble woman who feels I digress. I

544
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: was up till four o'clock in the morning looking for

545
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: all the right pictures and the right words. But there's

546
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: no post or caption that could ever encapsulate everything. I'm

547
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: further grateful to Bravo, l Sabana, Pump Evolution, blah blah blah,

548
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: the showrunners, every single remember producer, and our showrunners. She

549
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: did not mention the cast was at Gibson. I'm bother

550
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: fucking sorry. I have an issue with that. If it

551
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: wasn't for this cast, who's whose coat tails? You were

552
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: writing for all of these seasons before Tom decided to

553
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: stick his pen in another woman while I'm together. This

554
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: cast carried the show while you were in the back

555
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: seat wearing a seatbelt drinking up fucking Deer Park bottle water.

556
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? You have the audacity to sit

557
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: up and say I'm looking for photos. I want to

558
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: thank Lisa, Bravo, NBC, the crew, which, yes, the crew

559
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: is everything, but not your fellow cast members. I did

560
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: not like that, And you can say what you want

561
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: about La La, I can't, she said to the entire cast,

562
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: and that to me is a woman that is going

563
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: to eat this humble pie that she's been fed. And

564
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 1: La La with alone, my advice to you listen to

565
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: your team because you at least have enough sense to

566
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: make sure to bring it back to the cast.

567
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I don't agree that Ariana road

568
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: road coketail. That's not my interpretation of Ariana's time on

569
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: the show. But and I don't we want shady reality stars.

570
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: It's shady that she didn't that she didn't mention the cast,

571
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: and if it were me, I would have, but she didn't.

572
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: She's still she's still, you know, holding.

573
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: On to that, and I like the shade. That's that's

574
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 2: a good reality star to me as well. So we

575
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: we have a different you know, responses to that post.

576
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's okay, okay, No, you and

577
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: I are able to have a healthy debate that that

578
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: did rub me the wrong way, and.

579
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: I understand that. I understand that I do.

580
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's an ensemble show. You are not

581
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Diana Roth and are the supremes like, get out of

582
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: her sister. I'm over it. So last one. I want

583
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: to say because I thought this was funny, is it, Katie?

584
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: Yes, because it's funny. Now your Carlos's Mike just fell

585
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: down because he's freaking out.

586
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: No, it's funny, Carlos, it's funny.

587
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: Knock me off my feet. Okay, So so Katie said,

588
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: and I thought that's my first of all, Katie made

589
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: this her stories, not even posted her feet. And my

590
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: girl said, that's a mixed bag. But I wouldn't change

591
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: a thing. Thank you for the memories and the love

592
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: for the last love years. Like it's ax yeah, like whatever,

593
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: girl like. So, I haven't seen anything from the Toms

594
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: yet to my team, let me know if you. If

595
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: you see anything, send it to media tax. But yesterday

596
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: we did find out and Gibson, is this true that

597
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: Tom Schwortz and Tom send the Ball restaurant. It's good.

598
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: They're shutting it down.

599
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: In December they announced, I think one day before you,

600
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: one day before this news came out, they announced they're

601
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: shotting down the restaurant, Shorts and Sandy's.

602
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: So but the TMZ article said that.

603
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: The Phantom Homp Rules cast was informed that the show

604
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: is being recast last night, which would have been after

605
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: they announced the restaurant news. So I think I saw

606
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: some people speculating that like it was all timed together.

607
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: But if the cast just found out last night, they

608
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: would have made this decision about the restaurant probably weeks ago,

609
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: you know, so maybe they saw the writing on the wall.

610
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: But I don't know if those two things are related.

611
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: I think it's just like a double hit of bad

612
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: news for the Toms.

613
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, now listen, it's it's it's you never want to

614
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: see a business suffer through, you know, a situation to

615
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: where it is no longer is able to like, you know,

616
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: monetize anything.

617
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: Of course, not in the employee. I feel bad for

618
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: the employees of that restaurant.

619
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So last one, Sandival said with a heavy heart,

620
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's about the restaurant. That's what is that way.

621
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: He hasn't said any I'm going through all his stories.

622
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: As at the time of this recording, Tom Sandaval has

623
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: not released a statement.

624
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like nobody. I haven't seen anything else

625
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: from anybody else. I want she in a statement.

626
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: Baby Sina wanted this more than Leasta Vanda Pump did.

627
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: And and you know what she knows, actually one of

628
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: those rare people who she did start the show. It

629
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: was all based on her sleeping with Brandy's X or whatever,

630
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: and she she never became bigger than the show, you

631
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like she I think that, you know,

632
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: people make jokes like has anybody checked on gena and

633
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, but like, ultimately, Sheena

634
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: was kind of down to do whatever it tip took

635
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: for the sake of the show to continue it, and

636
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: she was also I think that's kudos to her. You know,

637
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: I think that she's she's easily the butt of the

638
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: joke a lot of the time, but ultimately, like she

639
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: was pretty damn good at her job.

640
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm keam Sheena as well. I think she's great. Give

641
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: the girl her props, I mean totally. I mean, allegedly

642
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: she had no idea that Eddie was married, So I say,

643
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: give one of prosperous cheating.

644
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 3: Not to take it back.

645
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that.

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Speaker 3: But look, but look what we got out of it,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And now listen, Uh, well, life give you limits, Hey, Beyonce,

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Speaker 1: make lemonade. As we come to a close, Gibson, John

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Speaker 1: and Vanda Pump Rules no longer is going to have

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Speaker 1: the same cast. This cast was as brilliant as the

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Speaker 1: casting in Jersey Shore. You know what I mean when

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Speaker 1: you when you look at when you look back on

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Speaker 1: reality television, band, the Pump Rules original cast will always

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Speaker 1: go down as top five the best cast in history

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Speaker 1: of reality television. And I would like to thank the

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Speaker 1: cast for giving us some great moments. I would like

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Speaker 1: to thank the producers, the entire crew, Lisa, Vanda Pump,

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Speaker 1: Andy Cohen and all Bravo for really providing us with

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Speaker 1: a show that really and you don't know this, Gibson.

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Speaker 1: So in my business there was always always always talks

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Speaker 1: of what's our.

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Speaker 2: Version of Vanda Pump Rules totally?

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Speaker 1: Like that was the message that went around the production

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Speaker 1: companies like myself, like find me the other version of that.

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Speaker 1: So you have to give the network and the cast

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Speaker 1: and at least amound of the Pump and the crew

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Speaker 1: all the props to that. Are you looking forward to

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Speaker 1: a new crop of people? It's scary times on our business,

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Speaker 1: So to invest in a new cast hoping that the

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Speaker 1: audience receives them. Is it is it too risky or

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Speaker 1: do you think is going to pay off in the end.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I hope.

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Speaker 2: So I always come from the perspective of like wanting

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Speaker 2: a show to succeed because I love watching reality TV

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Speaker 2: and I'd like to watch a good show, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I hope that they figure it out. I hope that, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, hopefully the people who work at these restaurants

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Speaker 2: are just easily castable, and they kind of had that

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Speaker 2: in the back of the mind when they hired them,

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Speaker 2: and it was like it can kind of like hit

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Speaker 2: the ground running. I mean, that's I hope that's the case.

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Speaker 2: And they'll never recreate the magic of early bandit rules ever,

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Speaker 2: because that was a different time in our culture.

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Speaker 3: Social media was so different.

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Speaker 2: Reality TV meant something totally different when it related as

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Speaker 2: it related to like general fame, and it's I think

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Speaker 2: now it's just seen as a much more like viable

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Speaker 2: path to superstardom, and it wasn't. It wasn't taken as

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Speaker 2: seriously before in that regard, you know, And that's why

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Speaker 2: we see people like Garcel and people going to reality

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Speaker 2: TV to get to sort of you know, sustain their

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Speaker 2: their fame, and so I hope that they can find

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Speaker 2: that a group of green people who just like are

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Speaker 2: just kind of down to do it. And I really

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Speaker 2: like and it's again this is it is not van

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Speaker 2: on pub rules level, So I'm not saying that, but

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Speaker 2: I really enjoy Southern Hospitality, which is the show that's

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Speaker 2: the Southern Charms been off at Lev's Club Republic in Charleston,

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Speaker 2: and they hire everybody who worked there. They all have

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Speaker 2: built in mess and connections and they're pretty good at

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00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: reality TV. Again, there's some there's some stuff to work

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Speaker 2: out there, but ultimately it's a pretty good show. And

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Speaker 2: so there's proof of concept that like it can still

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Speaker 2: work in this era of reality TV to find a

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Speaker 2: group of young twenty two, twenty three, twenty four year

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Speaker 2: olds who like just kind of they don't really think

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Speaker 2: before they act basically, and like they can be messy,

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Speaker 2: and that's what I want to see. And I think

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Speaker 2: that like that's in Charleston, South Carolina, where people don't

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Speaker 2: go there to be famous. People go to LA to

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Speaker 2: be famous, and so I would I'm cautiously optimistic that

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Speaker 2: they can that they there are people who fit that

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Speaker 2: mold and just are so driven to like do that,

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Speaker 2: to make a name for themselves in whatever capacity possible,

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Speaker 2: and it results in mess, and like that's ultimately what

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Speaker 2: Vandon Pump Rules is.

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Speaker 3: It's mess.

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Speaker 2: It's not aspirational to attainable.

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Speaker 1: And that's so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm it's sort of like, you know, we'll

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Speaker 2: always have Vandam Pupper Rules the first ten seasons. The

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Speaker 2: eleventh season is forgettable. The first ten seasons of the

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Speaker 2: show will always have that never recreate that magic.

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Speaker 3: But I hope it's good.

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Speaker 2: I hope season twelve of the Rules is good because

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Speaker 2: and I think they can make it good. That's what

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Long answer, but that's my no.

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Speaker 1: Listen, it's a lot of listen. Not in your defense,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of process, a lot to digest. I

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Speaker 1: would I would feel better if Ronnie reboot was great.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's very tricky. My hope, my hope is this,

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Speaker 1: I'll end with this. My hope is that these people

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Speaker 1: have organic friendships, organic relationships that they actually know each other,

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Speaker 1: they hang out with each other, and it's not a

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Speaker 1: bunch of strangers that are trying to become friends, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's a mistake with Ronnie and I will

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Speaker 1: end with this again, do not touch Jersey Housewives. Leave

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Speaker 1: it alone, Melissa Gorga. I love you so much. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to see you back on the show. I

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Speaker 1: want the listen Teresa back breaking news. Do not touch. Wow.

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Speaker 2: I never thought i'd hear those words at your mouse,

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Speaker 2: Carlos King talk about talk about us coming from different perspectives,

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Speaker 2: how the times have changed.

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Speaker 1: Listen. I am scared. I am nervous about the fate

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Speaker 1: of Jersey and after these two breaking news with like

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Speaker 1: the horrible reboot of New York City to the reboot

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Speaker 1: of Bad Rules. At this point, give me Teresa March

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Speaker 1: Melissa Gorgon and I'll listen. I'll deal with this ship later.

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Speaker 2: I just Carlos, you're you're giving that meme of Tyra

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Speaker 2: where she walks in, She's like, who else was scared?

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Speaker 1: Gives it? I love you two pieces, my friend, I

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Speaker 1: really do.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Let the rain Johnson know again when they can subscribe

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Speaker 1: and like and lead great reviews of your amazing podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so my podcast is gaping with Gibb similar discussions

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Speaker 2: to what we have here, Carlos has been on and

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Speaker 2: yeah most things Reality TV, Bravo. Wherever your podcast Tuesdays

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Speaker 2: and Fridays, new episodes go.

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Speaker 1: Follow it, love it, love it, love all right. Gibson,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, and.

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Speaker 3: Rain Dry, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I will see you on the next one. Good night.

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