1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom Never told you From House top 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: Caroline and Kristen. Kristen. When you ever so delicately suggested 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: that we tackle the subject of parting in the podcast, 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: I was not super excited. I started reading about farts 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: and had that look on my face the whole time, 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: just like, but you don't want. The more I've read 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: about farts, I have come to love them. You've come 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: around to love farts. Yeah, not not you know, the 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: smelling of others farts, but just the idea of them. 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: And they're very colorful, tooty, fruity history. Yeah, and their 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: strange role in society. And yes, friends, the gender dynamics 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: of farts, which we will get to. Um and I mean, 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: how long have humans have been farting? Humans have been 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: farting as long as humans have existed, and so the record, 16 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: the historical record of farts and and and just f y. 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: I people, this is a safe for all audiences podcast. 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: We are gonna be talking about farting and pouting and 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: cutting the cheese. But you know what, everybody does it. 20 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: We all do it, so so keep keep on listening. 21 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: Why don't you. Um. Let's go back though to for 22 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: TBC Room and guys Patronius who wrote, take my word 23 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: for it, friends, the vapors go straight to your brain, 24 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: poison your whole system. Yeah. Man. People were terrified of 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: the effect, the potential effect of gas trapped in your system. 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Sir Thomas Moore in the sixteenth century said wind, if 27 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: kept too long in your stomach, killed you. Yeah. Um. 28 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: Mary Roach in her book Gulp talks about how in 29 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: the early twentieth century there were all these quacks who 30 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: basically said, you would better clean out your intestines because 31 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you're not giving yourself colonics and and douching, etcetera, 32 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: then all those vapors inside of you will make you 33 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: very sick. Yeah. I mean the the advertising that went 34 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: into this, that the packaging and the marketing and everything 35 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: for these items is crazy. Like they were basically, they 36 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: were just stopping short of saying that it will kill 37 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: you if you don't clean your poop out of yourself 38 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and make sure that you don't, you know, trap gas 39 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: in your system. Although maybe to give the quacks a 40 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: tiny shred of of understanding, holding in a fart for 41 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: too long for an extended period of time can cause 42 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: some stomach disruption, a little bit of discomfort. Jim Dawson, 43 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: who wrote the book Who Cut the Cheese, A Cultural 44 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: History of the Fart. Yeah, these are the kinds of 45 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: books the Carolina and I get to read. Um. He 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: writes about how gas trapped in your colon can cause 47 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: severe pains in your chest and arms, like a heart attack, 48 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: so watch out for that. Yeah. So people might have 49 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: thought that, you know, a fart was killing them. So 50 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: but but why do we call a fart of fart? Carolina? 51 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: Is it an automatopeia or what's called is an acronym? Well, 52 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: I love the atomology of this. The word fart actually 53 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: comes from the Old English Verton to fart invert a fart, 54 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: and about six hundred years ago the pronunciation shifted to hurt. 55 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: Oh wait, oh I got the fairy shifted to fert 56 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: um and fart. The actual word fart first appeared in 57 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: a poem from around twelve fifty. Yeah. One thing that 58 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: I was surprised to find in our fart research was 59 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: how how much scholarship has been done, not so much 60 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: on the science of farts, although that definitely exists. But 61 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: on the instances of farting in romantic literature, I don't 62 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: have all of the examples, but it's uh and I 63 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: have a feeling that probably the context of fart in 64 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: that twelve fifty poem has to do with someone wooing 65 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: someone else in a fart, either getting in the way 66 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: or being the the gatekeeper. You know what. I think 67 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: it was animal romance. It was something like the buck 68 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: jumps and some other animal farts. Yeah, yeah, which is 69 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean, these magnificent beasts fartes, fartes on your face off, 70 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: furts it furts? Um. Well, the word fart disappeared from 71 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: from popular literature in the nineteenth century, which is no 72 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: surprise if you're a regular podcast listener. You know, those 73 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: people in the nineteenth century were um polite. They were 74 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: very polite. Jim Dawson, who cut the cheese, actually mentions 75 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: how Victorian women would rustle their bustles of their full 76 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: dresses if they had to fart. I mean, I'm I 77 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: don't know how that's verified, but it just makes sense. 78 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: Maybe somebody in some letter wrote to her her cousin 79 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: and was like, oh, dear, wrestling the vessel, But you 80 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: mean Obviously, fart has re emerged in more common language today, 81 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: but it's still not a polite term. I mean, the 82 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: fact that we're dedicating an entire episode to farts does 83 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: feel at the outset a little bit juvenile, because who 84 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: talks about farts and polite company or who farts in 85 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: polite company? Well, my dad wouldn't. I mean, that was 86 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: the word that was not used in my house growing up. Really. 87 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: I think I had a picture book something along the 88 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: lines of like everybody farts. You know. It was a 89 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: story about this kid he went to the grocery store 90 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: with his dad or something. That's all I remember, But 91 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: I just remember my dad. I distinctly remember this. He 92 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: looks at me and he goes, can we just say 93 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: poot as we're reading this? And I was like, yeah, yeah, sure, 94 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: whatever you want, Dad, you're reading the story. Why do 95 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: you think poot is better than fart? Poot is cute, 96 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: poot sound, poot is a gentler sound fired far? But 97 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: why do we pass the gas caroline? A couple of reasons. 98 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: Probably you're eating wrong, but it's really more than that. Um, 99 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: it could happen when you inadvertently swallow gases while you 100 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: eat and as food is digested, it could be a 101 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: carb issue. Either you're you're eating a lot of them 102 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: and so that they're hard for the body to break down. 103 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: But also you could have gut bacteria that consume carbs 104 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: too efficiently or not efficiently enough. You need that Goldilocks 105 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: amount of carb digestion. Yeah, And farting rids the colon 106 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: then of unwanted gases, and it relieves the intestines of 107 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: unwanted pressure. So farting in that way is definitely good 108 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: for you. And and just a side note, if you 109 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: are planning a dinner date, you know some foods that 110 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: you might want to avoid less allowing gas to possibly 111 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: spoil an intimate moment um. The whole baked beans thing 112 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: actually true. Maybe don't have a barbecue first date. Um, 113 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: it's and it's because beans lead to farts a lot 114 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: of times because they're made up of simple carbs, which 115 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: are not absorbed into the intestines is easily. They're broken 116 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: down rather by bacteria and enzymes and then they ferment. 117 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: How delightful, How it sounds like a party in your 118 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: gut um. Other gassy foods include red meat, vegetables, particularly broccoli, 119 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: brussels sprout, cabbage and cauliflower, uh, and grains and fiber 120 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: and something that I did not know before this research. 121 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: Pumper nickel, the dark green bread. It actually means goblin 122 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: it breaks wind in Old German. That's great. That sounds 123 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: like scary bread, sounds like terrifying bread. And I wish 124 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: that we just called it that instead of pump er nickel. Personally, 125 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: if you wanted to instead pack a lover's picnic, that 126 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: would steer clear of the faunting pastries. Potatoes, citrus, fruits, 127 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: apples and breads would be some wise choices. Yeah, they're 128 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: a little less party, just starchy foods. Yeah. Um, but 129 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: what is in the gas that we passed? What is 130 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: that stuff made up of? Well, of what is in 131 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: a fart actually doesn't smell. Uh, It's made up of 132 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: carbon dioxide, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and that lovely explosive gas methane. Yeah, 133 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: the stinky stuff comes in that one percent of sulfur 134 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: gases contained in our farts, specifically hydrogen sulfide, which is 135 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: responsible for that rotten egg smell, which is actually super 136 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: lethal in high doses. But thankfully the dosage that comes 137 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: out in a fart not lethal at all. Then there's 138 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: method need the all, which smells like decomposing vegetables. And finally, 139 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: and to me, the most stomach turning gas on the 140 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: list is die methyl sulfide, which apparently lends a sweet 141 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: odor profile to the gas um and everybody's gas composition, though, 142 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: is a little bit different, and one scientist even likened 143 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: it to the uniqueness of our fingerprints, which is possibly 144 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: why Caroline, we usually don't mind the smell of our 145 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: own farts, as much as we probably hate to admit it. 146 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't, it doesn't revolt us. Well. Another Caroline's dad 147 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: related fart story is that he refers to his own 148 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: as ambrosia, mostly to discuss my mother. But I secretly 149 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: think like he really believes that. You think he really doesn't. 150 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: He thinks he's spelling that the and then the food 151 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: of the gods. Wow um. Well. As for a more 152 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: elevated reason why we find farts uh stinky is Rachel Hurts, 153 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: who is an evolutionary biologist who wrote That's Disgusting. Unraveling 154 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: the Mysteries of Repulsion says that someone else's farts are 155 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: disgusting because they represent possible contamination by an outsider and 156 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: their foreign waste, right totally makes sense, absolutely, it probably 157 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, so how much gas is coming out 158 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: of us during the day. You can use this to 159 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: possibly measure your own farts. And this is when we 160 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: get into men versus women. Yes, we found a gender 161 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: dynamic to even farting. You're welcome. So the average amount 162 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: of gas we passed during the day is between somewhere 163 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: between five hundred and two thousand milli liters per day, 164 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: which is like about ten ten poots. But men they 165 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: pass about a hundred and ten milli leaders of gas 166 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: per day, which is about if you're measuring if you're 167 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: going to be cooking with your farts, that's about a 168 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: half cup half cup of gas per fart. Women, on 169 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: the other hand, they don't pass as much gas, but 170 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: we'll get into it. They passed worse. Get us. Women 171 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: fart about eighty million leads of gas per day, which 172 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: is about a third of a cup. Yeah, and and 173 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: that's probably because we tend to have smaller bodies, so 174 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: we produced smaller amounts of farts. Just makes sense. And 175 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: how do we know all of these details about the 176 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: science of farts, Well, there's a guy nickname Dr Fart 177 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: who Mary Roach also talks about um in her book, 178 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: and there was also an article on him in Salon 179 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand. Dr Michael D. Levitt is a gastro urologist, 180 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: an associate chief staff at the Minneapolis Veterans Affairs Medical Center, 181 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: and the leading authority on flatulence who has published nearly 182 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: three articles about flatulence in the medical journals. That is 183 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: quite a resume. Well, I mean, he even sounds kind 184 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: of surprised when they talked to him. He even sounds 185 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: surprised about the level of interest in farts and that 186 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: it's gotten him this far. He said that in other countries, 187 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: no way, what a science, steady farts. But for reasons 188 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: I can't completely figure out, farting is considered wrong in 189 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: America and people are worried about it. Arts have been 190 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: good to me. I've done very well. Thank you. Yeah. 191 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: And the only reason he got into it was because 192 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six a patient came in with this problem, 193 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: which was that he was farting a lot. He had 194 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: the patient essentially keep a fart diary and found out 195 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: that it was happening about thirty four times a day, 196 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: and since Levitt didn't have any averages to compare it to, 197 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: he was like, well, I need some I need some data. 198 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: I need to know whether or not this is normal 199 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: or or just how abnormal this is. And so he 200 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: set up to find out how much gas people passing, 201 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: what it's made of, and actually devise things like special 202 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: underpants that trap the gas so that the scientists could 203 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: then analyze the composition. Just how we know all of 204 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: those different components to farts, and how everyone has a 205 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: little bit different of each. That's great. Yeah, fart science, 206 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: fart science. Well, and it turns out that let it 207 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: figured out the guy was just lactose intolerant. I know, 208 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: well he did. He did recruit seven people to track 209 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: what I call farctivity and farctivity art activity. Again, he 210 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: found out that with this control group, their mean flattest 211 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: frequency turned out to be thirteen point six episodes per day. Yeah, 212 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: and there was no significant differences due to age, gender, etcetera. 213 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, we found that men per fart fart more, 214 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: probably due to body size. Although I'd be curious if 215 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: you have been equally sized man and woman, if if 216 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: they'd be if they be fart and about the same amount. 217 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: But women, our farts are usually stinkier. Scientific fact, yes, 218 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: our farts small more why due to higher levels of 219 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: hydrogen soul fide A lot of times rotten egxtent comes 220 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: out more. And I, on the one hand, when I 221 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: first learned this, I was grossed out, and then on 222 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: the other hand, I was kind of pleased because if 223 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: there is anything that will poke a hole in this 224 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: notion that women are just dainty butterflies, it is that 225 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: our farts are the fottiest. Yeah, Tracy Moore would agree 226 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: with you, Kristen. She read about this whole fart equality 227 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: issue for Jezebel and so that women should run to 228 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: the nearest high point in their offices or environments right 229 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: now and coordinate one giant fart for womankind, the kind 230 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: that silences our detractors. But good and when the air clears, 231 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: we'll see who's laughing. Oh man, I mean, I don't 232 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: know if I'm like that much for your party. I'm not. 233 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm not pro farting. I'd like to I'd like to 234 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: clarify that. Um. There there was one study that had 235 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: a pretty loose methodology but wanted to look into the 236 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: psychology of farting. It was a hypothetical scenario bringing in 237 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: um men and women and asking how they would respond 238 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: if someone farted near them and whether or not that 239 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: if that person farted intentionally or not. And the research 240 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: did find And again this is a little bit grain 241 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: of salt because even the research here, this guy Lippmann said, uh, 242 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: I kind of just did this as a bit of 243 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: a joke, But his research suggested that women were more 244 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: forgiving than men of loud accidental farts. So you know, 245 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: I guess if you're going to have an accidental fart 246 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: slip out in public, hope that it's around women, is it? 247 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: Then I'll give you that look of like, yeah, no, 248 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: it's cool or as how would how would men respond? 249 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: Do you think? Laughter? High five? Dude, dude, that foot 250 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: was a ten like that. Yeah, I clearly hang out 251 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: with with the Jersey Shore guys. Well, so, but what 252 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: about what about if you fart in front of your 253 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: beloved or your one day to be beloved? Yeah. I 254 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: got a real big kick out of an article that 255 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: Tracy Clark Floury, who is the sex writer at Salon, 256 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: wrote about farting in relationships because I feel like everybody 257 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: who has been in a relationship has been here where 258 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: your hang out and you really like somebody and then 259 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: you you got fart And when do you do that? 260 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: When they get up to go to the bathroom? But 261 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: what if they don't have to be you know, at 262 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: some point, at some point, if you're in a long 263 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: term relationship, it's going to happen. Yeah. Now, there's there's 264 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: nothing better than like leaving a date when you first 265 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: started seeing someone and just letting all that gas go. Yeah, 266 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: you've been holding even storing all of it up. It's 267 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: really there's a lot of backup. She talks though. Clark 268 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: Floory talks in the article about how she was terrified 269 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: to fart or poop around her boyfriend, and um, there 270 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: was this scene that she cited in the movie Love 271 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: and Other Disasters, talking about how there are three stages 272 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: of farting in relationships, the first one being the fantasy 273 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: period when both pretend they never do it. You know, 274 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: no one, no one farts, neither party farts around the 275 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: other person. But then stage two comes, Caroline, what happens then? 276 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: So you're in love, you've got stars in your eyes, 277 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: and somebody farts for the first time and oh my 278 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: got it so funny and cute and adorable, like theyn't 279 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: believe you did that. And then there's stage three, known 280 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: as the fork in the fart, and this is when 281 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: farting it's really kind of a barometer for the relationship 282 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: because it's either acceptable and you're just like, you know what, 283 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: we're in this for the long haul. You fart, I fart. 284 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: Let's be polite, you know, not not dutch ov and 285 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: all the time. But that's gonna happen, or it makes 286 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: that stale relationship just stink even more because that personal 287 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: fart and you're just like, and you're farting, you know, 288 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: and that's when you know you gotta that's it. I 289 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: only date people who fart rainbows, not actual gas. But 290 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: there are also, though, do you know people like this 291 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: who are in relationships, even marriages, who still never after 292 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: being with a person for years, it's no farting, there's 293 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: just you stay in that. I think there's still people 294 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: who will stay in that stage, one of both parties 295 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: pretending that they don't do it, just like I don't know, 296 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I am aware of anyone. But then again, 297 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: I don't really talk about farting that often outside of 298 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: this recording studio. I mean, I've been talking about a 299 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: lot this week, but I still get a little embarrassed 300 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: if I if I fart around my boyfriend. Sure, no, 301 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: I Yeah. Let's get something straight here, lady. I have 302 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: not like let a big one rip in front of 303 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: my boyfriend or anything. He's got a couple ripped, and 304 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: he honestly like just keeps going about what he's doing. 305 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: And I look at it and I'm like, seriously, you 306 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: just let that huge one ripped right in front of me. 307 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: And he's like, oh yeah, sorry, yeah the last time. 308 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: That the last part that really sticks out in my mind. 309 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: My boyfriend I was sitting watching a movie next to 310 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: each other on the couch and it was a silent 311 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: but dead late which is actually a myth. Uh dr 312 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: Levitt has um busted the idea that if it is silent, 313 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: it will smell worse. It's just no, that's not always 314 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: the case. But this was one of those and he 315 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: didn't say anything, and I'm like, I know that he 316 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: knows that I can smell this garbage, and I wanted 317 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: to just see it, like whether he and he just 318 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: didn't say anything, and then I didn't say anything, and then, um, yeah, 319 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: well I had an awkward It was actually hilarious, and 320 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: uh I enjoyed it after the fact. But my boyfriend 321 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: and I were driving around one day and we stopped 322 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: at a stop sign and all of a sudden, the 323 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: car was just filled with this garbage smell, and I 324 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not gonna say anything, but then it 325 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: didn't dissipate. Eventually a fart will dissipate or you east 326 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: to it or whatever. You didn't roll out a window, well, 327 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: let me tell you. It didn't dissipate. And so I 328 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: look at him and I'm like, dude, really that was awful, 329 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: and he goes, well, I didn't do it, You did it, 330 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: and I thought he was just, you know, denying off, 331 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: and so then he then it was like jokes who 332 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: were laughing because we just thought the other person was 333 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: denying it. And then it became clear that when the 334 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: smell didn't dissipate that it wasn't either one of us. 335 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: There was like a garbage dump or a dead body 336 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: or something nearby, because my entire car for like a 337 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: ten minute car ride, was flooded with the smell, and 338 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: when we rolled down the windows we realized it was 339 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: the cows and the cow pastures nearby, because it only 340 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: got worse when I rolled the window down. Legitimate gagging, 341 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, that was a little bit of fart accusing. 342 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: Had a fart confrontation though, fart frontation, fart from AA 343 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: and I feel like those, you know, they need to 344 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: happen in in relationships. It's part of well rounded communication, 345 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: the fart talk, which apparently I wasn't practicing that other 346 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: night when I was watching that movie m But sometimes 347 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: you just you just don't want to bring it up. Um, 348 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: but there are some people who really like farts. Yes, 349 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: this is this is actually the only uh if their 350 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: kids in the car sensitivity issue right now, because uh, 351 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: there is a fetish for farts. It's called a proctophilia, 352 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: and it was documented for the first time very recently. Yeah, 353 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: this is coming from a Telegraph article from July of 354 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: this year. A British psychologist recorded the case of a 355 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: twenty two year old man from Illinois who was attracted 356 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: to farting women. He was first aroused this this whole 357 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: like fart love. He first realized his love of farts 358 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: when a friend of his farted, and then he was 359 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: just delighted when he heard one of his crushes fart. Yeah. Um, 360 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: And the doctor said that a proctophiles are said to 361 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: spend an abnormal amount of time thinking about farting and 362 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: flatulence and have recurring intense sexual urges and fantasies involving 363 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: farting and flatulence, which sounds to me like a like 364 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: a fetish. So that definitely exists. I mean, I have 365 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: a feeling this Illinois man is in a very slim 366 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: minority of people, but it doesn't. It's a strange thing, 367 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: but you know there there are stranger Yeah, it could 368 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: just I mean, it could just be the issue that 369 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: it is taboo. Well, and Tracy Clark Floury even sits 370 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: in that article about farting relationships about how James Joyce 371 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: was wild about his wife Norma's farts. I can't even 372 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: read you the direct wote because it's, uh, it's pretty profane. Um, 373 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: but let's just say James Joyce liked a good fart. 374 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: So so if if, if, if this is ringing a 375 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: bell in your brain, you know people, there are people 376 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, we're here to bring you the information 377 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: that's right. Well, you might be wondering, you've listened to 378 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: all of this and why we fart and what it's 379 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: made up of. But can you get rid of them? Yeah? 380 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: Not really. Things like beano and gas X don't really work, 381 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: and activated charcoal pills won't really do much to help 382 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: you either. And acids can maybe calm your stomach, like 383 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: if it maybe if you are eating food that is 384 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: that is too much for your stomach. But for odor, hey, y'all, 385 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: why don't you try some charcoal fart cushions, a tutor 386 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: trapper if you will. Well, what about bismuth pills like 387 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: business as in pepto bismol. The bismus and that um 388 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: bismus pills have been shown to reduce sulfur gas odor, 389 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: so that could help with the smell. You might still 390 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: produce the fart, but remember that a fart is odorless gas. Yeah, 391 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: and that bismus is the active ingredient in a pill 392 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: I've never heard of because it's not advertised widely. If 393 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: you can imagine it dev rom which is internal deodorant pills. 394 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: Now there's the marketing for you. Well, and I have 395 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: a feeling though I mean, Carolina an old doctor, but 396 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: I have a feeling that diet and exercise would be 397 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: a good way to go if you are, you know, 398 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: if you're nervous about your your farting behavior, because exercise 399 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: has been shown to help out with relieving gas because um, 400 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: it helps the body absorb gases in the colon, thereby 401 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: dissipating them by the time they travel further southward toward 402 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: the exit door. Right, But that uh, that source that 403 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: talks about the exercise does talk about even if you do, 404 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: even if it's not all absorbed and you do pass 405 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: one on the treadmill or whatever like Jim Smell. Anyway, 406 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: that's right. You know, there's enough people around you in 407 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: bigger Gim's that you could just blame it on somebody else, 408 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: and everybody does it, you know. So while I think 409 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: that I think it's always going to be good to 410 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: be polite with it, because there is clearly, uh, an 411 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: evolutionarily ingrained, disgusted trigger that farts trip off. But you 412 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: know what, if it happens, it happens, and and that's okay. Hope, 413 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: hopefully maybe it's around a group of women, because apparently 414 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: we're very forgiving about that or maybe just talk about 415 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: it behind your back right after you're gone. So I 416 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: hope that was helpful and I can't wait to hear 417 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: from people on this topic. Mom seven discovery dot com 418 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: for your emails. You can also find us on Facebook 419 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: and tweet us at Mom's Stuff podcast. And we've got 420 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: a couple of letters to read. And now back to 421 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: our letters, well, Caroline, I have one here from Scotch 422 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 1: in response to our episode on the Bechdel Test, and 423 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: he said it fascinated me that popular culture still defines 424 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: the majority of their women on the basis of their men. 425 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: And being a man myself but one who strives to 426 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: view differing gender perspectives, the subtle yet wide ranging scope 427 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: of this issue astounded me. The question I would pose 428 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: in this line of thought is this are their mainstream 429 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: media type movies or TV shows who define their men 430 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: solely through the strength of their women characters. I was 431 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: talking to one of my friends about Orange is a 432 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: New Black, and that was one of his criticisms of 433 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: the show, though it is a women's presence, so it 434 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: makes sense. I just think in finding fully realized characters 435 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: that are women, truly realized, one can also look for 436 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: a one dimensional man, though even as a pro feminist idea, 437 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: one could also argue that this whole conversation plays right 438 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: into the other in perspective on the negative feminist ideas 439 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: in that and signaling out a search for women who 440 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: aren't defined by their men. They're still defined by their womanhood, 441 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: which is separate from manhood. Just the thought I mean 442 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: to answer this question though, about finding men slowly to 443 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: find through the strength of their women characters. It's what 444 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: you talked about in the episode of why isn't there 445 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: a Bechdel Test for men? And it's because it's really 446 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: not needed because the issue of too many one dimensional 447 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: men isn't the point right exactly. And I know what 448 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: he's talking about with Orange is a New Black um 449 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: what's his name from American Pie here, I am one 450 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: dimensionalizing him. He's the main dude in it. But I 451 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: would argue that those men, while they do play off 452 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: all of the women they have, they have some depth 453 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: to them. I mean, everybody's a bit of a character 454 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: on there. Yeah, But I wouldn't say that that's the 455 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: failing of the show because the focus really is on 456 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: these women. But I guess you could also argue that 457 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm just reversing Bechdel tests. So something to think about now. Now, 458 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: I feel like you need to go off and ponder. 459 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: Christen's gonna sit quietly in her chair for the rest 460 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: of the afternoon in like a thought spiral about this. 461 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: I am so thank you Scott though, for the compelling question. Okay, 462 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: So I have an email here from Alisa who is 463 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: answering our call for Scandinavian listeners to weigh in on 464 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: the diamond engagement ring issue. Um. She says, I'm American, 465 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: lived in Iceland for many years, now live in Norway 466 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: and an engaged with German men Germany. We bought each 467 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: other engagement rings, but mind silver with tiny pearls and staffires. 468 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: His is titanium, and we both wear them on our 469 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: left ring fingers. Germans seem to commonly wear their wedding 470 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: rings on their right hands, so he will swap over 471 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: to a wedding band on his right hand when we're married. 472 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: I know other engaged German couples that don't wear rings 473 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: at all. After the ceremony, they will both wear the 474 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: same style of plain gold band. They seem to be 475 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: less into unusual materials or designs than my American friend. 476 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: In Iceland and Norway, people often buy wedding bands when 477 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: they decide to get married and we'll wear them right away. 478 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: Icelanders go either right or left hand, but miss Norwegians 479 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: wear their wedding rings on their right hands. My Norwegian 480 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: friends say this is so you shake hands with someone, 481 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: they will see right away you're off the market because 482 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: they're already wearing rings. People might not even have a 483 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: ring exchanging part of their wedding ceremony. Personally, Alisa says, 484 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: I like that my fiance wanted to have a ring too, 485 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: and announced his non single state to the world. The 486 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: tradition of exchanging tokens was meaningful to me, and it 487 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: makes me happy to have a ring that reminds me 488 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: of him when we're not together. That's sweet. Thank you, Elsa, 489 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: and thanks to everybody who's written in mom Stuff. Discovery 490 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: dot com is where you can send your letters. You 491 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: can find us on Facebook as well and follow us 492 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. 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