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Speaker 2: Today the guest is da Vid Diggs. Super excited to

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Speaker 2: rap group clipping he's a rapper, or you may know

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Speaker 2: him from Just Lots of Stuff snow Piercer. The dude

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Speaker 2: works hard. We talk about working hard and the importance

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Speaker 2: of being with your family. We also talk about the

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Speaker 2: importance of men nurturing their friendships with their men friends. Famously,

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Speaker 2: he's friends with Rafael Cassol. They met each other in

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Speaker 2: high school. Raefaeld' is also a good person who is

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Speaker 2: too good looking to be such a good person. I

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Speaker 2: talked about all that. Enjoy the interview when we get there. First,

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Speaker 2: I have a confession to make. I w Campbell used

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, it's not I was

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Speaker 2: I think it happened around COVID because Dana White, who

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Speaker 2: Just through the struggles of COVID he did with a

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Speaker 2: And I understand that athletes don't always have your politics,

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Speaker 2: So thank you for doing my podcasting. It's You're among

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Speaker 2: I'm so I just want to be careful about those things.

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Speaker 1: I'm just out here doing it. I'm just out here.

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Speaker 3: what I'm doing. I have to learn the lines and

432
00:19:48,504 --> 00:19:51,744
Speaker 3: say the lines. Those are my parameters and like I'm

433
00:19:51,744 --> 00:19:53,424
Speaker 3: gonna do as much as I can within that is

434
00:19:53,464 --> 00:19:55,624
Speaker 3: everybody else. You tell me when I'm lit, you tell

435
00:19:55,664 --> 00:19:57,064
Speaker 3: me if my hair is out of place, you tell

436
00:19:57,144 --> 00:19:58,344
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna look at the screen.

437
00:19:58,424 --> 00:19:58,984
Speaker 1: I don't care.

438
00:19:59,344 --> 00:20:03,144
Speaker 3: He's like, my job is to be honest, try to

439
00:20:03,184 --> 00:20:06,024
Speaker 3: find these moments of honesty. Like that's it, and I'll

440
00:20:06,424 --> 00:20:07,984
Speaker 3: as many chances as you want to give me to

441
00:20:08,024 --> 00:20:08,263
Speaker 3: do that.

442
00:20:08,344 --> 00:20:08,584
Speaker 1: Cool.

443
00:20:08,664 --> 00:20:11,024
Speaker 3: If you're losing light, we got to move on cool,

444
00:20:11,504 --> 00:20:12,024
Speaker 3: you know, Like.

445
00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:12,944
Speaker 1: That's what it is.

446
00:20:14,264 --> 00:20:16,024
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's intentional, but I mean

447
00:20:16,064 --> 00:20:17,624
Speaker 2: it's sort of connected to like you just want to

448
00:20:17,704 --> 00:20:20,224
Speaker 2: work and do things, but you're just a person who

449
00:20:20,224 --> 00:20:22,984
Speaker 2: also it has no problem appearing and like you said,

450
00:20:23,024 --> 00:20:27,104
Speaker 2: a small independent film on stage doing you know, how

451
00:20:27,144 --> 00:20:28,464
Speaker 2: would you declibe clipping is?

452
00:20:28,944 --> 00:20:31,344
Speaker 1: Where's their role in rap and hip hop? What is

453
00:20:31,384 --> 00:20:31,824
Speaker 1: the you know?

454
00:20:31,824 --> 00:20:33,344
Speaker 2: I talked to Mike Eglist day. He was like, I

455
00:20:33,384 --> 00:20:37,263
Speaker 2: called myself art rap. That doesn't work anymore. So I

456
00:20:37,304 --> 00:20:39,024
Speaker 2: was like, I say indie rap because it sort of

457
00:20:39,064 --> 00:20:40,224
Speaker 2: describes the entire thing.

458
00:20:40,344 --> 00:20:41,224
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting.

459
00:20:41,384 --> 00:20:44,224
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we'll just put ourselves there. I don't We've

460
00:20:44,264 --> 00:20:46,424
Speaker 3: always just called ourselves rap music. It was like very

461
00:20:46,424 --> 00:20:50,024
Speaker 3: intentionally tracked because when we first came along, it was

462
00:20:50,064 --> 00:20:52,584
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of the commentary around us

463
00:20:52,744 --> 00:20:57,504
Speaker 3: was like like I don't like rap, but I like this,

464
00:20:57,704 --> 00:20:59,424
Speaker 3: or like this isn't like what rap is like, and

465
00:20:59,464 --> 00:21:02,064
Speaker 3: we kept so we started being very intentional about this

466
00:21:02,104 --> 00:21:02,784
Speaker 3: is just rap.

467
00:21:03,024 --> 00:21:04,464
Speaker 1: We're not actually doing anything new.

468
00:21:04,544 --> 00:21:06,264
Speaker 3: We are taking all of the traditions that we have

469
00:21:06,384 --> 00:21:09,864
Speaker 3: learned from being lifelong like practitioners and fans of this

470
00:21:10,064 --> 00:21:12,464
Speaker 3: culture of music and making the thing that we do.

471
00:21:12,544 --> 00:21:16,264
Speaker 3: So so I've always just called I just.

472
00:21:16,024 --> 00:21:19,144
Speaker 2: You're not in an anti rap, You're not post you're

473
00:21:19,184 --> 00:21:20,264
Speaker 2: not post rap, not.

474
00:21:20,184 --> 00:21:24,144
Speaker 3: Post rap, no nothing. Yeah, it's all it's all rap music.

475
00:21:24,744 --> 00:21:26,384
Speaker 2: So but yeah, just to get back to the questions,

476
00:21:26,424 --> 00:21:28,864
Speaker 2: like I see you like this, like what I would

477
00:21:28,864 --> 00:21:32,384
Speaker 2: define is like like this hardcore wrap outfit rap group.

478
00:21:32,624 --> 00:21:36,024
Speaker 2: You're doing independent movies and then but you're also I'm

479
00:21:36,024 --> 00:21:37,584
Speaker 2: not shocked at all to see you pop up in

480
00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:40,024
Speaker 2: something big and loud and commercial like The Boys. That

481
00:21:40,104 --> 00:21:42,824
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like deviat is supposed to be independent. You know,

482
00:21:44,024 --> 00:21:46,144
Speaker 2: there's a time when people sort of put those labels

483
00:21:46,144 --> 00:21:47,864
Speaker 2: on people, like you're not supposed to be doing that,

484
00:21:47,904 --> 00:21:49,784
Speaker 2: you'd Parker posey, what are you doing in.

485
00:21:49,704 --> 00:21:50,584
Speaker 1: The right.

486
00:21:52,104 --> 00:21:54,144
Speaker 2: And I don't feel like with you that I see

487
00:21:54,144 --> 00:21:55,984
Speaker 2: you as being like, oh, that's I feel like, no,

488
00:21:56,104 --> 00:21:58,184
Speaker 2: that's perfect for him, and I'm happy for him and

489
00:21:58,184 --> 00:21:59,824
Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see what he does in

490
00:21:59,824 --> 00:22:00,384
Speaker 2: that space.

491
00:22:00,504 --> 00:22:02,024
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, thank you. Yeah.

492
00:22:02,064 --> 00:22:07,024
Speaker 3: I mean I think that those that kind of sectioning

493
00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:09,624
Speaker 3: off is sort of disappearing in some ways, you know.

494
00:22:09,744 --> 00:22:14,624
Speaker 3: I'm I think we we as fans as audience have

495
00:22:14,704 --> 00:22:16,864
Speaker 3: become so much more aware of the business side of

496
00:22:16,904 --> 00:22:18,824
Speaker 3: it than we were before and how hard it is

497
00:22:18,864 --> 00:22:21,944
Speaker 3: to make money doing art. So like, I don't know,

498
00:22:22,024 --> 00:22:24,344
Speaker 3: generally for me, any actor I see in a big

499
00:22:24,384 --> 00:22:25,864
Speaker 3: thing that it looks like they got paid a lot

500
00:22:25,904 --> 00:22:26,864
Speaker 3: for Like, I'm very.

501
00:22:26,824 --> 00:22:32,224
Speaker 1: Happy for you man. That guy got insurance, you know, Yeah,

502
00:22:32,224 --> 00:22:33,904
Speaker 1: he's got insurance cover for the whole year.

503
00:22:34,184 --> 00:22:37,144
Speaker 3: Any you know, Mike Eagle Song gets a placement in

504
00:22:37,184 --> 00:22:40,424
Speaker 3: a on a Netflix movie. Hell yeah, Like that's yes,

505
00:22:42,464 --> 00:22:44,144
Speaker 3: I know you didn't get paid enough for that, but

506
00:22:44,184 --> 00:22:48,464
Speaker 3: like I hope you did, like you know, so yeah,

507
00:22:48,624 --> 00:22:55,144
Speaker 3: but I do, you know. I mean the jump off

508
00:22:55,184 --> 00:22:57,704
Speaker 3: for me was Hamilton and It and it was the

509
00:22:57,704 --> 00:23:01,904
Speaker 3: most popular thing in a very long time, but it

510
00:23:01,944 --> 00:23:03,704
Speaker 3: was still for me. It was me and my friends

511
00:23:04,024 --> 00:23:08,344
Speaker 3: making something dumb, right, So like that it was so

512
00:23:09,424 --> 00:23:11,544
Speaker 3: the only process I know, it's all part of the

513
00:23:11,584 --> 00:23:14,904
Speaker 3: same is the same process. Oh, these people are people

514
00:23:14,904 --> 00:23:17,184
Speaker 3: I trust, Like, these are artists I enjoy working with.

515
00:23:18,304 --> 00:23:20,344
Speaker 3: This is an idea that I don't know if it

516
00:23:20,384 --> 00:23:23,224
Speaker 3: works or not. It's a big, a big thing for

517
00:23:23,304 --> 00:23:26,624
Speaker 3: me on everything. It's like if I'm the most attractive

518
00:23:26,664 --> 00:23:29,304
Speaker 3: thing for me is to not know if it's gonna work. Yeah,

519
00:23:29,384 --> 00:23:31,384
Speaker 3: because I need the experiment of it. I need the

520
00:23:31,424 --> 00:23:34,304
Speaker 3: excitement of being like, wow, this is a big swing

521
00:23:34,464 --> 00:23:37,224
Speaker 3: or what could we possibly be doing here? You know,

522
00:23:37,344 --> 00:23:39,264
Speaker 3: being halfway through and me like this is a failure.

523
00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:41,864
Speaker 3: You know, I kind of need that juice.

524
00:23:41,944 --> 00:23:44,904
Speaker 1: So h yeah.

525
00:23:44,984 --> 00:23:48,544
Speaker 3: And so it just but because I think I have

526
00:23:48,664 --> 00:23:51,104
Speaker 3: benefited in many ways because of that being my sort

527
00:23:51,144 --> 00:23:55,664
Speaker 3: of entry to the more mainstream world in that. For me,

528
00:23:55,704 --> 00:23:58,424
Speaker 3: it was still that exact same modality of working, but

529
00:23:58,424 --> 00:24:03,224
Speaker 3: but it became this phenomenon that was just pop art,

530
00:24:03,344 --> 00:24:03,584
Speaker 3: you know.

531
00:24:03,904 --> 00:24:06,263
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I don't want to spend too

532
00:24:06,304 --> 00:24:07,744
Speaker 2: much time with that because I know you've talked about

533
00:24:07,944 --> 00:24:10,384
Speaker 2: Hamilton a lot, but I do I don't actually know

534
00:24:10,584 --> 00:24:12,424
Speaker 2: the origin. I'm sory of you and lin Manuel coming

535
00:24:12,424 --> 00:24:14,184
Speaker 2: across each other. I'm sure you've talked about before. But

536
00:24:14,224 --> 00:24:16,704
Speaker 2: how do you just freestyle of Supreme?

537
00:24:17,424 --> 00:24:19,264
Speaker 1: We were just a hip hop collective.

538
00:24:19,464 --> 00:24:23,104
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So we were rapping like yeah yeah and

539
00:24:23,504 --> 00:24:25,784
Speaker 3: a yeah and a funny clerical error but.

540
00:24:27,104 --> 00:24:27,864
Speaker 1: And so on some base.

541
00:24:28,024 --> 00:24:29,544
Speaker 3: I told the story before too, so you cut it

542
00:24:29,544 --> 00:24:33,304
Speaker 3: out of the thing. But like, it's me and Anthony Veninculi.

543
00:24:33,344 --> 00:24:36,024
Speaker 3: He was another founding member of Freestyle. I was living

544
00:24:36,024 --> 00:24:38,543
Speaker 3: in San Francisco. We were both due to a clerical

545
00:24:38,624 --> 00:24:41,344
Speaker 3: error called the substitute teach the same class in Marine City,

546
00:24:42,624 --> 00:24:45,024
Speaker 3: and so we show up. It's like a first grade

547
00:24:45,064 --> 00:24:47,264
Speaker 3: class or something. You have to come up with something

548
00:24:47,304 --> 00:24:49,424
Speaker 3: new to do with these kids every fifteen minutes. I

549
00:24:49,464 --> 00:24:51,304
Speaker 3: guess we're both getting paid today, so we're both gonna

550
00:24:51,344 --> 00:24:53,464
Speaker 3: do this. Yeah, And at some point we just start

551
00:24:53,504 --> 00:24:55,263
Speaker 3: freestyling with the kid. He's like, do you do you

552
00:24:55,384 --> 00:24:57,144
Speaker 3: freestyle like I do? He was like, great, this is

553
00:24:57,184 --> 00:24:58,704
Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. We're gonna beat boxing. We do this,

554
00:24:58,704 --> 00:25:00,704
Speaker 3: and we did that for half an hour. Really worked out.

555
00:25:00,784 --> 00:25:01,264
Speaker 1: Yeah.

556
00:25:01,344 --> 00:25:03,384
Speaker 3: I think his wife's car broken down or something. So

557
00:25:03,464 --> 00:25:06,864
Speaker 3: I gave him a ride home to San Francisco and

558
00:25:06,984 --> 00:25:09,944
Speaker 3: he we started talking and he was like, I'm part

559
00:25:09,944 --> 00:25:12,024
Speaker 3: of this group freestyle of prey of my friend Lane.

560
00:25:12,024 --> 00:25:13,904
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know him, he's like whatever,

561
00:25:13,944 --> 00:25:15,864
Speaker 3: he's about to do a show on Broadway called in

562
00:25:15,904 --> 00:25:17,664
Speaker 3: the Heights that I have no idea of anything that.

563
00:25:17,584 --> 00:25:18,824
Speaker 1: You're talking about, but whatever.

564
00:25:20,344 --> 00:25:22,864
Speaker 3: So but it was that's how I know those guys

565
00:25:23,504 --> 00:25:24,784
Speaker 3: that we became friends.

566
00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:27,384
Speaker 2: And then I've become more fascinating recently with just the

567
00:25:27,464 --> 00:25:30,064
Speaker 2: idea of sliding doors and butterfly effect and the idea

568
00:25:30,064 --> 00:25:33,104
Speaker 2: that like that, doesn't you know that's a that's a

569
00:25:33,464 --> 00:25:36,184
Speaker 2: your whole life goes a different direction. If you maybe

570
00:25:36,224 --> 00:25:39,304
Speaker 2: like you still an actor, you're still rapping, but you're

571
00:25:39,304 --> 00:25:40,824
Speaker 2: not necessarily in Hamilton.

572
00:25:41,344 --> 00:25:45,344
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm almost certainly not. I don't know how, you

573
00:25:45,384 --> 00:25:47,504
Speaker 3: know how I would have met those cats otherwise, And

574
00:25:47,504 --> 00:25:50,824
Speaker 3: it's yeah, that that is particularly crazy, especially because like

575
00:25:50,984 --> 00:25:54,304
Speaker 3: if anyone who has been a substitute teacher, it's not

576
00:25:54,424 --> 00:25:56,744
Speaker 3: a lot of great opportunities to come.

577
00:25:56,664 --> 00:25:58,944
Speaker 2: Out of it, a lot of life changing And after

578
00:25:58,984 --> 00:26:03,024
Speaker 2: I substitute talk Yeah, yeah, those things I'm trying to forget.

579
00:26:03,064 --> 00:26:04,864
Speaker 1: I tripped over a billion dollars and I was like

580
00:26:05,064 --> 00:26:07,384
Speaker 1: a billion dollars here. I just thank god I substitute

581
00:26:07,384 --> 00:26:07,944
Speaker 1: taught today.

582
00:26:08,464 --> 00:26:10,744
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's so I want to give you just

583
00:26:11,224 --> 00:26:15,824
Speaker 2: this is how like my Hamilton, how I've seen Hamilton

584
00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:18,104
Speaker 2: from the outside because death ends in a very personal way.

585
00:26:18,704 --> 00:26:21,424
Speaker 2: Otherwise we wouldn't necessarily talk about it. But like I'm

586
00:26:21,464 --> 00:26:24,104
Speaker 2: a person who, like I was living in Oakland when

587
00:26:24,104 --> 00:26:26,184
Speaker 2: Hamilton hit, and all I knew about Hamilton was that

588
00:26:26,264 --> 00:26:28,624
Speaker 2: people in New York Twitter were like raving over Like

589
00:26:29,224 --> 00:26:31,544
Speaker 2: that was like when Twitter was Twitter, you know, yeah,

590
00:26:31,544 --> 00:26:35,384
Speaker 2: and Twitter was talking about Hamilton. Yeah, And at the time,

591
00:26:35,784 --> 00:26:36,944
Speaker 2: I didn't know if I was ever gonna see it.

592
00:26:36,944 --> 00:26:38,504
Speaker 2: My wife's a big Broadway person, but we were not

593
00:26:38,544 --> 00:26:40,304
Speaker 2: in a position to go to Broadway and see these things.

594
00:26:40,304 --> 00:26:42,504
Speaker 2: So I just and then I remember, and then it

595
00:26:42,664 --> 00:26:44,624
Speaker 2: like then it tours and then more people started to

596
00:26:44,624 --> 00:26:47,224
Speaker 2: see it, and then my wife starts to see it,

597
00:26:47,264 --> 00:26:49,504
Speaker 2: and then it becomes Hamilton and it's everywhere and everybody's

598
00:26:49,504 --> 00:26:53,984
Speaker 2: talking about it, pandemic. It airs on Disney Plus, and

599
00:26:54,024 --> 00:26:59,744
Speaker 2: then the Hamilton discourse begins, and I sort of had

600
00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:02,344
Speaker 2: this feeling that because my wife loves Broadway, that like,

601
00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:05,504
Speaker 2: I don't know that Broadways for everybody, Like I think

602
00:27:05,544 --> 00:27:07,464
Speaker 2: that like there's a reason why it's in New York

603
00:27:07,504 --> 00:27:09,104
Speaker 2: and the people who want to see it go see it.

604
00:27:09,184 --> 00:27:11,664
Speaker 2: I agree, and that like I feel like you can

605
00:27:11,704 --> 00:27:15,224
Speaker 2: basically discourse every Broadway play because it's just it's just

606
00:27:15,704 --> 00:27:18,344
Speaker 2: and I no offense ave Broadway. It's just it's it's

607
00:27:18,384 --> 00:27:20,744
Speaker 2: about there's a lot of suspension of disbelief that happens

608
00:27:20,784 --> 00:27:22,624
Speaker 2: when you go into a theater, like a Broadway theater.

609
00:27:23,344 --> 00:27:25,944
Speaker 2: Why is everybody singing at me? You know, why is it?

610
00:27:26,304 --> 00:27:28,224
Speaker 2: Why are there? Why isn't there? Why isn't there that?

611
00:27:28,264 --> 00:27:31,144
Speaker 2: But so the Hamilton discourse starts, which you know, which

612
00:27:31,184 --> 00:27:32,864
Speaker 2: we don't have to get into, but it's just about

613
00:27:32,904 --> 00:27:35,744
Speaker 2: like is this thing is Is this thing the thing

614
00:27:35,784 --> 00:27:37,144
Speaker 2: that it is? Or is it not the thing that

615
00:27:37,224 --> 00:27:38,984
Speaker 2: it is? And how why would you do the thing

616
00:27:39,024 --> 00:27:40,384
Speaker 2: this way? And da da da da dad and all

617
00:27:40,424 --> 00:27:42,824
Speaker 2: these things, and I remember seeing that Hamilton discourse and

618
00:27:42,864 --> 00:27:45,304
Speaker 2: being like at the time, knowing you and be like, man,

619
00:27:46,144 --> 00:27:47,744
Speaker 2: it's not his play, but he's in the middle of this,

620
00:27:48,264 --> 00:27:49,664
Speaker 2: and sort of feeling like, how does it feel to

621
00:27:49,704 --> 00:27:51,184
Speaker 2: be in the middle of this and sort of like

622
00:27:51,224 --> 00:27:54,064
Speaker 2: and then everybody and then it feels like that happened,

623
00:27:55,064 --> 00:27:56,904
Speaker 2: you know, we also in the pandemic, and we all

624
00:27:56,944 --> 00:27:58,904
Speaker 2: and then we sort of come back, and then then

625
00:27:58,944 --> 00:28:01,344
Speaker 2: you all are at the Tonys and it's suddenly like

626
00:28:01,464 --> 00:28:08,544
Speaker 2: it's okay, we're back and we're celebrating the anniversary. My

627
00:28:08,584 --> 00:28:10,744
Speaker 2: favorite moment of the Tonys is when you you did

628
00:28:10,784 --> 00:28:12,624
Speaker 2: that jump. I was watching with my daughter and she

629
00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:13,224
Speaker 2: here me go.

630
00:28:13,144 --> 00:28:15,504
Speaker 1: Whoa yeah.

631
00:28:15,664 --> 00:28:18,624
Speaker 3: I got text from everybody I know like are you okay?

632
00:28:18,984 --> 00:28:21,544
Speaker 1: Okay? I think I might have said my niece.

633
00:28:22,944 --> 00:28:26,584
Speaker 3: Literally, I don't think I've ever gotten more reach outs

634
00:28:26,584 --> 00:28:27,424
Speaker 3: like for anything.

635
00:28:27,464 --> 00:28:27,664
Speaker 1: You know.

636
00:28:27,784 --> 00:28:30,264
Speaker 2: It was just like I watched it several times because

637
00:28:30,304 --> 00:28:32,424
Speaker 2: I was like, I couldn't pull it off even at

638
00:28:32,464 --> 00:28:35,384
Speaker 2: my best, my most athletic day of my life, but

639
00:28:35,464 --> 00:28:37,144
Speaker 2: like that was truly impressed.

640
00:28:37,224 --> 00:28:40,144
Speaker 3: I got separate phone calls before you know, when we

641
00:28:40,184 --> 00:28:43,904
Speaker 3: had decided to do that. From both Lynn and Andy

642
00:28:43,984 --> 00:28:47,104
Speaker 3: the choreographer, both reached out like separately being like, can

643
00:28:47,144 --> 00:28:49,424
Speaker 3: you jump off a table? I was like, I can't

644
00:28:49,424 --> 00:28:51,584
Speaker 3: do it eight times a week, but I could I

645
00:28:51,624 --> 00:28:53,064
Speaker 3: could probably get it up one time.

646
00:28:54,984 --> 00:28:56,664
Speaker 2: There's and that is something about you that that I

647
00:28:56,744 --> 00:29:01,224
Speaker 2: was respect you. There's an athletic, kinetic nature about you

648
00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:04,304
Speaker 2: as an actor that is just that is also a

649
00:29:04,304 --> 00:29:05,504
Speaker 2: part of your that seems to be a part of

650
00:29:05,504 --> 00:29:05,984
Speaker 2: your process.

651
00:29:06,064 --> 00:29:06,264
Speaker 1: Yeah.

652
00:29:06,304 --> 00:29:08,784
Speaker 3: Man, I you know, I came up running track, and

653
00:29:09,224 --> 00:29:11,664
Speaker 3: so you know, from when I was nine till post college,

654
00:29:11,704 --> 00:29:13,024
Speaker 3: ran all the way through college and was trying to

655
00:29:13,024 --> 00:29:14,464
Speaker 3: thought I might be able to make the trials or

656
00:29:14,464 --> 00:29:16,944
Speaker 3: something after college. I was really it was really important

657
00:29:16,944 --> 00:29:18,824
Speaker 3: to me and it is still the thing that I

658
00:29:18,904 --> 00:29:22,104
Speaker 3: miss the most is that that, you know, I think

659
00:29:22,184 --> 00:29:25,784
Speaker 3: most former athletes have this this thing where you just

660
00:29:26,984 --> 00:29:30,024
Speaker 3: there was a kind of especially for me, where I'm

661
00:29:30,064 --> 00:29:32,184
Speaker 3: not I'm you know, I'm a pretty I'm a I'm

662
00:29:32,224 --> 00:29:34,664
Speaker 3: a relatively shy person. I'm like not, you know, I'm

663
00:29:34,704 --> 00:29:37,864
Speaker 3: not I play a lot of boisterous characters or I'm

664
00:29:37,944 --> 00:29:41,664
Speaker 3: really that way in my life. Uh, it was a

665
00:29:41,704 --> 00:29:44,424
Speaker 3: way to just quietly walk around and feel.

666
00:29:44,744 --> 00:29:48,544
Speaker 1: Superior to people. And it's like you have this superpower.

667
00:29:48,584 --> 00:29:51,744
Speaker 3: I can run really fast and I like jump over

668
00:29:51,784 --> 00:29:53,704
Speaker 3: these I was a hurdler, so I could also do

669
00:29:53,784 --> 00:29:56,824
Speaker 3: this kind of like weird timing technical flexibility thing that

670
00:29:56,944 --> 00:30:02,784
Speaker 3: like you know, is useless probably in life, especially giving there.

671
00:30:02,704 --> 00:30:04,504
Speaker 1: It gets over there quickly, but there's a bunch of.

672
00:30:05,784 --> 00:30:08,784
Speaker 3: You know, especially with my life choices, I'm running from

673
00:30:08,784 --> 00:30:11,824
Speaker 3: the police or anything like that. Like, but but it

674
00:30:11,864 --> 00:30:14,664
Speaker 3: was just nice you had that thing, and that just

675
00:30:15,224 --> 00:30:18,264
Speaker 3: like all physical things goes away with age, you know.

676
00:30:18,824 --> 00:30:21,424
Speaker 3: And so when I get those opportunities to do that

677
00:30:22,304 --> 00:30:25,384
Speaker 3: on shows or in TV work or whatever. You know,

678
00:30:25,504 --> 00:30:28,504
Speaker 3: I'm always annoying my stunt performer by being like how

679
00:30:28,544 --> 00:30:31,024
Speaker 3: much you go let me do you can you teach

680
00:30:31,064 --> 00:30:31,464
Speaker 3: me that thing?

681
00:30:31,504 --> 00:30:34,104
Speaker 1: Like when we better if I died that thing, because

682
00:30:34,104 --> 00:30:36,104
Speaker 1: then you can get the camera right.

683
00:30:37,304 --> 00:30:40,304
Speaker 2: So to wrap up the Hamilton discourse, that just about

684
00:30:40,304 --> 00:30:42,664
Speaker 2: seeing your tones. The reason why my daughter was watching

685
00:30:42,664 --> 00:30:46,104
Speaker 2: its Juno. She's now twelve at the time, she's probably

686
00:30:46,184 --> 00:30:49,784
Speaker 2: ten because she became a kid who fell into Broadway

687
00:30:50,104 --> 00:30:52,344
Speaker 2: and fell into Hamilton and then I'd be walking around

688
00:30:52,384 --> 00:30:54,344
Speaker 2: my house and here a ten year old be like.

689
00:30:54,344 --> 00:30:57,784
Speaker 1: How comes the best? And it was just like, I

690
00:30:57,784 --> 00:30:59,024
Speaker 1: don't care what anybody said.

691
00:31:00,064 --> 00:31:02,104
Speaker 2: This thing is is like I just was like, it

692
00:31:02,144 --> 00:31:03,704
Speaker 2: was just so cool to see it in my life

693
00:31:03,824 --> 00:31:06,024
Speaker 2: come full circle and come around like now I got

694
00:31:06,024 --> 00:31:08,304
Speaker 2: this ten year old who is wrapping to herself in

695
00:31:08,344 --> 00:31:08,984
Speaker 2: her bedroom.

696
00:31:09,304 --> 00:31:11,664
Speaker 1: Lyrics from Hamilton Wild.

697
00:31:11,504 --> 00:31:14,584
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a I never know whether to apologize to

698
00:31:14,744 --> 00:31:15,904
Speaker 3: parents or to you.

699
00:31:16,664 --> 00:31:19,424
Speaker 2: There's there are creators who need to apologize. Are you

700
00:31:19,504 --> 00:31:22,384
Speaker 2: involved in Coco Melon because Yeah.

701
00:31:22,064 --> 00:31:23,984
Speaker 3: What's funny is we were at clipping was asked to

702
00:31:24,024 --> 00:31:25,824
Speaker 3: contribute a sorry to Cocomelon, and we were all like,

703
00:31:25,944 --> 00:31:26,704
Speaker 3: absolutely not.

704
00:31:27,144 --> 00:31:29,064
Speaker 1: I didn't even understand how that would work either.

705
00:31:29,984 --> 00:31:32,384
Speaker 3: I mean we you know, we made Puppy ver Hanka,

706
00:31:32,464 --> 00:31:33,544
Speaker 3: so we have some Yeah, but.

707
00:31:33,504 --> 00:31:36,504
Speaker 2: I did, but Coco Melons anyway, that's a whole nother podcast.

708
00:31:36,504 --> 00:31:38,864
Speaker 2: But like luckily my seven year old who was the

709
00:31:38,864 --> 00:31:41,264
Speaker 2: Cocomelon fiend is out of it for several years. But

710
00:31:41,304 --> 00:31:42,944
Speaker 2: it was a I don't have I don't, I don't,

711
00:31:42,944 --> 00:31:44,984
Speaker 2: you don't you don't need to apologize for Hamilton. There's other

712
00:31:45,024 --> 00:31:46,624
Speaker 2: things I would like to talk to people about to

713
00:31:46,824 --> 00:32:07,584
Speaker 2: other other child creators. So for me just to see

714
00:32:07,984 --> 00:32:11,584
Speaker 2: it as an inroads for this ten year old to

715
00:32:11,784 --> 00:32:15,104
Speaker 2: like music and to hip hop was like, I think

716
00:32:15,104 --> 00:32:17,544
Speaker 2: it's just like becomes like, that's that's what you want

717
00:32:17,584 --> 00:32:18,504
Speaker 2: right there, right, you know.

718
00:32:18,464 --> 00:32:20,584
Speaker 3: It's a pretty wild you know, that's not what we

719
00:32:20,624 --> 00:32:23,024
Speaker 3: thought we were doing, I don't think, but it's amazing

720
00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:26,104
Speaker 3: that that's happened. Well, the thing that it did is

721
00:32:26,264 --> 00:32:28,664
Speaker 3: just the thing that Lynn is, which is like a

722
00:32:28,704 --> 00:32:31,584
Speaker 3: person who exists at the intersection of exactly those things

723
00:32:31,624 --> 00:32:35,904
Speaker 3: that there are, a history buff who is as knowledgeable

724
00:32:36,104 --> 00:32:40,184
Speaker 3: about Broadway as he is about rap music and uh,

725
00:32:41,344 --> 00:32:43,144
Speaker 3: and so that it like this show is just like

726
00:32:43,184 --> 00:32:45,824
Speaker 3: the intersection of the things he loves. And that's he's

727
00:32:45,864 --> 00:32:49,584
Speaker 3: a pretty like unique, fascinating person. But he's so kind

728
00:32:49,584 --> 00:32:51,984
Speaker 3: of his you see this when you see him, when

729
00:32:52,024 --> 00:32:55,104
Speaker 3: you see him speak publicly or whatever. His gift is

730
00:32:55,144 --> 00:32:59,624
Speaker 3: that he lets everybody into it very and that that

731
00:32:59,744 --> 00:33:02,824
Speaker 3: was it there. These are actually sort of three spheres

732
00:33:02,864 --> 00:33:07,744
Speaker 3: that always feel incredibly gate kept right, and he was

733
00:33:07,784 --> 00:33:11,784
Speaker 3: just like or everybody to cold just walk in.

734
00:33:11,944 --> 00:33:14,024
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I just wanted.

735
00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:16,304
Speaker 2: To give you my this is my my Hamilton, the

736
00:33:16,384 --> 00:33:19,584
Speaker 2: arc of my Hamilton relationship based on my twelve year

737
00:33:19,624 --> 00:33:23,384
Speaker 2: old who's very excited I'm talking to you. The other

738
00:33:23,464 --> 00:33:26,104
Speaker 2: thing that I when I think about you is just

739
00:33:26,664 --> 00:33:29,344
Speaker 2: public displays of men in community.

740
00:33:29,464 --> 00:33:30,384
Speaker 1: Men who are friends.

741
00:33:30,784 --> 00:33:32,984
Speaker 2: Is such a cool thing, Like dudes who have each

742
00:33:33,024 --> 00:33:35,584
Speaker 2: other's backs all the time and don't so you and

743
00:33:35,704 --> 00:33:38,464
Speaker 2: Rafa is like this as this sort of like one

744
00:33:38,464 --> 00:33:42,264
Speaker 2: of the most exactly one of the most adorable things

745
00:33:42,264 --> 00:33:44,224
Speaker 2: being Kelly Rafferty who was who worked with me for

746
00:33:44,344 --> 00:33:46,984
Speaker 2: years when we discovered the Calvin and Hobbes videos, you

747
00:33:46,984 --> 00:33:51,424
Speaker 2: guys did I mean, it's just like it's like they're

748
00:33:51,544 --> 00:33:54,664
Speaker 2: so sweet and so sacrid and so underrated. Like I

749
00:33:54,664 --> 00:33:56,504
Speaker 2: feel like I just want if anything can happen on

750
00:33:56,544 --> 00:33:58,464
Speaker 2: this podcast, I need people to go watch those videos.

751
00:33:58,544 --> 00:34:02,104
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but they're not too many because I just

752
00:34:02,104 --> 00:34:03,944
Speaker 3: get taken out.

753
00:34:02,704 --> 00:34:05,464
Speaker 1: I don't think the Calviny, I don't think he's that

754
00:34:05,464 --> 00:34:06,064
Speaker 1: worried about it.

755
00:34:06,104 --> 00:34:09,064
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, but anyway.

756
00:34:08,744 --> 00:34:09,824
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to get them.

757
00:34:09,984 --> 00:34:14,424
Speaker 2: But anyway, just talk about being uh that this is

758
00:34:14,504 --> 00:34:16,703
Speaker 2: you know, we all have this, many of us be

759
00:34:16,704 --> 00:34:18,424
Speaker 2: friends with somebody in high school like we're gonna be

760
00:34:18,464 --> 00:34:21,064
Speaker 2: friends forever or we're gonna do things forever, and then

761
00:34:21,183 --> 00:34:23,703
Speaker 2: you know, things don't happen that way. Talk about being

762
00:34:23,743 --> 00:34:28,223
Speaker 2: friends for a long time, publicly, professionally and continually.

763
00:34:28,464 --> 00:34:32,623
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I mean Rafa so we you know, we

764
00:34:32,703 --> 00:34:38,384
Speaker 3: actually we knew each other in high school, but we

765
00:34:38,384 --> 00:34:40,703
Speaker 3: we actually didn't start really hanging out very much. So

766
00:34:40,703 --> 00:34:42,183
Speaker 3: I was a little bit older than he was until

767
00:34:42,223 --> 00:34:44,144
Speaker 3: I got back from college. So it's like two thousand

768
00:34:44,143 --> 00:34:51,144
Speaker 3: and four. And one of my best friends, his little

769
00:34:51,143 --> 00:34:53,663
Speaker 3: brothers the same classes as rafaelm were.

770
00:34:53,703 --> 00:34:55,223
Speaker 1: They were very good friends. And so.

771
00:34:56,864 --> 00:34:59,984
Speaker 3: Raphael at whatever he was at the time, eighteen years old,

772
00:35:00,104 --> 00:35:02,864
Speaker 3: nineteen years old, was already running a recording studio in

773
00:35:04,064 --> 00:35:10,024
Speaker 3: North Oakland, and my friend Justin was like, you gotta go,

774
00:35:10,143 --> 00:35:12,143
Speaker 3: you should go, you guys, you know, you got to

775
00:35:12,663 --> 00:35:14,024
Speaker 3: go ahead. So we got like set up on a

776
00:35:14,104 --> 00:35:16,984
Speaker 3: rapper play date basically, and that was it. Like we

777
00:35:17,024 --> 00:35:19,143
Speaker 3: stayed up till four in the morning that first night.

778
00:35:19,183 --> 00:35:21,143
Speaker 3: I was there making a song and we got in

779
00:35:21,143 --> 00:35:22,783
Speaker 3: the car and we listened to the song because that's

780
00:35:22,864 --> 00:35:26,183
Speaker 3: as is the custom, and then then I was there

781
00:35:26,223 --> 00:35:29,263
Speaker 3: pretty much every night. I have probably spoken to him

782
00:35:29,303 --> 00:35:35,544
Speaker 3: almost every day since then, either, but it was it's just, yeah,

783
00:35:35,584 --> 00:35:40,424
Speaker 3: it's crazy when you I think, especially at that age

784
00:35:42,464 --> 00:35:46,504
Speaker 3: early twenties, you know, when you're really trying to figure

785
00:35:46,544 --> 00:35:49,304
Speaker 3: it out, and if you're an artist and you find

786
00:35:49,303 --> 00:35:52,824
Speaker 3: someone you click with artistically, that's incredibly valuable. That person

787
00:35:52,864 --> 00:35:54,264
Speaker 3: also becomes somebody.

788
00:35:53,864 --> 00:35:54,943
Speaker 1: Who you.

789
00:35:56,783 --> 00:36:00,264
Speaker 3: Trust, who you're you're making mistakes together and growing up together,

790
00:36:00,303 --> 00:36:01,984
Speaker 3: and you know has your back and has seen you

791
00:36:02,024 --> 00:36:05,783
Speaker 3: at your worst and is still there and forces you

792
00:36:05,824 --> 00:36:08,464
Speaker 3: to celebrate your wins. Like Rafa is so good with

793
00:36:08,504 --> 00:36:10,783
Speaker 3: that for me because I'm not a celebration type and he,

794
00:36:11,104 --> 00:36:14,184
Speaker 3: for my whole life is as has always been like try.

795
00:36:14,024 --> 00:36:16,424
Speaker 1: To eat me flowers and you're like, I know, yeah.

796
00:36:16,024 --> 00:36:19,104
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's he's yeah, he has always been the

797
00:36:19,104 --> 00:36:21,663
Speaker 3: one who's like, we gotta let's acknowledge it.

798
00:36:21,743 --> 00:36:23,224
Speaker 1: Who knows how many of these we get.

799
00:36:23,104 --> 00:36:26,663
Speaker 3: You know, So he's he's one of those. And so

800
00:36:27,223 --> 00:36:33,424
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting, we're, uh, we're writing another film together

801
00:36:33,504 --> 00:36:37,623
Speaker 3: right now, and it is kind of about the how

802
00:36:37,703 --> 00:36:40,663
Speaker 3: that kind of a friendship ages and what happens, you know,

803
00:36:40,703 --> 00:36:42,464
Speaker 3: when kids get him all on the stuff, you know,

804
00:36:42,544 --> 00:36:46,824
Speaker 3: like just yeah, what you know we've made blind Spotting

805
00:36:46,904 --> 00:36:52,223
Speaker 3: is essentially about like a you know, young man, late twenties, right,

806
00:36:53,783 --> 00:36:56,184
Speaker 3: that kind of male friendship. And now what's a what's

807
00:36:56,544 --> 00:37:01,303
Speaker 3: a forties male friendship? Like like you know, and what

808
00:37:01,424 --> 00:37:05,303
Speaker 3: are those changes and how do you you know, how

809
00:37:05,303 --> 00:37:06,223
Speaker 3: do those things grow together?

810
00:37:06,263 --> 00:37:06,864
Speaker 1: But it is.

811
00:37:08,424 --> 00:37:10,983
Speaker 3: I think to me, what's interesting about it is it's

812
00:37:11,143 --> 00:37:17,824
Speaker 3: both absolutely effortless and also incredibly intentional. Yeah yeah, yeah.

813
00:37:17,584 --> 00:37:19,544
Speaker 2: When you're in your forties. I don't know if this

814
00:37:19,623 --> 00:37:21,223
Speaker 2: is true for women. As a man, you have to

815
00:37:21,223 --> 00:37:23,984
Speaker 2: be intentional to stay friends with your men, friends, anybody, Yeah,

816
00:37:24,024 --> 00:37:25,943
Speaker 2: because it just sort of, yeah, are with your friends

817
00:37:25,984 --> 00:37:28,183
Speaker 2: because it can just easy because you get so caught

818
00:37:28,263 --> 00:37:29,303
Speaker 2: up in whatever your life is.

819
00:37:29,384 --> 00:37:30,703
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd be like, I don't even talk to that

820
00:37:30,783 --> 00:37:32,544
Speaker 1: dude anymore. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

821
00:37:32,743 --> 00:37:36,024
Speaker 3: Yeah, when your life just stopped involving friends like as

822
00:37:36,064 --> 00:37:38,903
Speaker 3: a necessary part of limit kind of does uh, it's

823
00:37:38,904 --> 00:37:39,223
Speaker 3: a ways.

824
00:37:39,263 --> 00:37:40,584
Speaker 1: So yeah, it has to be intentional.

825
00:37:40,743 --> 00:37:44,024
Speaker 3: But I mean even all of our you know, starting

826
00:37:44,064 --> 00:37:47,504
Speaker 3: to when we were working together, when when blind Spotting happened,

827
00:37:47,504 --> 00:37:52,143
Speaker 3: and it happened after Hamilton, and so there was like

828
00:37:52,783 --> 00:37:54,823
Speaker 3: for two people actually honestly in the bay when we

829
00:37:54,824 --> 00:37:56,983
Speaker 3: were making rap songs, like Rafa was kind of the

830
00:37:57,024 --> 00:37:59,384
Speaker 3: famous one, so he had the deaf poetry thing going on,

831
00:37:59,544 --> 00:38:01,623
Speaker 3: so he had like a huge YouTube following. He was

832
00:38:01,623 --> 00:38:03,064
Speaker 3: the one who was able to book shows out of

833
00:38:03,104 --> 00:38:04,743
Speaker 3: town and he would always bring us a lot. It

834
00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:07,743
Speaker 3: was always like, you know, so he was the one

835
00:38:07,783 --> 00:38:10,504
Speaker 3: opening door so everybody could run through. And then this

836
00:38:10,504 --> 00:38:12,744
Speaker 3: this thing happen and now like the sort of balance

837
00:38:12,783 --> 00:38:14,663
Speaker 3: and shifted the other way. People knew my name, wanted

838
00:38:14,663 --> 00:38:18,744
Speaker 3: to talk to me, and like navigating those kinds of things.

839
00:38:19,183 --> 00:38:22,264
Speaker 3: And then now you're adding agents and managers and stuff

840
00:38:22,303 --> 00:38:24,663
Speaker 3: on top of that, who like don't understand the history

841
00:38:24,663 --> 00:38:26,424
Speaker 3: of it and who you know. There are so many

842
00:38:26,464 --> 00:38:28,344
Speaker 3: hard conversations that had to be had.

843
00:38:28,223 --> 00:38:29,944
Speaker 1: Well like I know you suggest drapa, but who else

844
00:38:29,984 --> 00:38:30,503
Speaker 1: would we look.

845
00:38:30,384 --> 00:38:35,703
Speaker 3: At, like literally nobody, But also you know, hard conversations

846
00:38:35,743 --> 00:38:38,544
Speaker 3: them hard conversations with each other about you know, we've

847
00:38:38,743 --> 00:38:42,303
Speaker 3: we've had to we've developed a pretty good muscle now

848
00:38:42,464 --> 00:38:44,944
Speaker 3: for on projects that we're working on together, like sitting

849
00:38:45,024 --> 00:38:47,064
Speaker 3: down really before we even get into it, being like

850
00:38:47,663 --> 00:38:49,864
Speaker 3: what is important to you about this and what's important

851
00:38:49,904 --> 00:38:51,863
Speaker 3: to me about this, and let's get really clear on that.

852
00:38:51,904 --> 00:38:54,183
Speaker 3: What are non negotiables so that when all the bullshit

853
00:38:54,223 --> 00:38:58,024
Speaker 3: starts happening, it's going to happen, like we can we

854
00:38:58,064 --> 00:39:01,183
Speaker 3: can know that, like we are satisfying these things and

855
00:39:01,223 --> 00:39:02,904
Speaker 3: we get we get that really clear.

856
00:39:02,703 --> 00:39:05,183
Speaker 1: Before like what do we both want out of this?

857
00:39:05,504 --> 00:39:07,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that when the when all the crazy, when

858
00:39:07,504 --> 00:39:09,823
Speaker 2: all the show is nonsense happens, we can remember, well,

859
00:39:09,864 --> 00:39:10,984
Speaker 2: I just need this when you need the.

860
00:39:11,263 --> 00:39:15,944
Speaker 3: Right because you know, when you start, especially with us,

861
00:39:15,944 --> 00:39:18,823
Speaker 3: when you start talking about like who wrote what or

862
00:39:18,864 --> 00:39:20,823
Speaker 3: whose idea is, it's like what are.

863
00:39:20,703 --> 00:39:23,263
Speaker 1: You talking about? Like that's not how it works. It's

864
00:39:23,303 --> 00:39:25,584
Speaker 1: like Lennon McCartney, we were both there talking about it

865
00:39:25,743 --> 00:39:28,104
Speaker 1: when we sit down and.

866
00:39:26,584 --> 00:39:29,504
Speaker 3: We eat food, and then like you know, a year

867
00:39:29,584 --> 00:39:30,383
Speaker 3: later there's a thing.

868
00:39:30,424 --> 00:39:30,904
Speaker 1: But it's.

869
00:39:32,263 --> 00:39:35,904
Speaker 3: So yeah, we've had to realize that this and this word.

870
00:39:35,904 --> 00:39:38,703
Speaker 3: The Hollywood business is very much about dividing those things

871
00:39:38,743 --> 00:39:41,024
Speaker 3: up and being like credit, the credit is what you need,

872
00:39:41,064 --> 00:39:43,783
Speaker 3: and so we tend to decide early on like what's

873
00:39:43,824 --> 00:39:46,544
Speaker 3: the credit you need from this bro? Like what's what

874
00:39:46,584 --> 00:39:49,223
Speaker 3: do we say? Obviously it doesn't matter like the work

875
00:39:49,303 --> 00:39:51,024
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. We're going to do what we do. What

876
00:39:51,303 --> 00:39:53,383
Speaker 3: what what do you need out of this? Or what

877
00:39:53,424 --> 00:39:55,464
Speaker 3: do I need out of this? Okay, let's do that.

878
00:39:55,544 --> 00:39:57,944
Speaker 3: Let's make that happen. Let's send the teams off to

879
00:39:58,303 --> 00:39:59,024
Speaker 3: accomplish that.

880
00:39:59,464 --> 00:40:00,104
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would.

881
00:40:00,344 --> 00:40:02,663
Speaker 2: That's the part about it that is so remarkable to

882
00:40:02,663 --> 00:40:05,303
Speaker 2: me because once the as you know, I mean, you know,

883
00:40:05,424 --> 00:40:08,783
Speaker 2: being a person who's also a rapper, the money has

884
00:40:08,783 --> 00:40:11,464
Speaker 2: broken up a lot of friends in a wrapper, broken

885
00:40:11,544 --> 00:40:14,143
Speaker 2: up a lot of cruise, like a lot of boys

886
00:40:14,303 --> 00:40:16,024
Speaker 2: falling apart over money.

887
00:40:16,064 --> 00:40:18,864
Speaker 1: That's true. Ours, maybe ours didn't come from rap.

888
00:40:18,783 --> 00:40:21,743
Speaker 2: But just I would imagine that there's probably it's got

889
00:40:21,783 --> 00:40:23,904
Speaker 2: to be certain times where you have to sort of

890
00:40:23,904 --> 00:40:27,384
Speaker 2: go stop, let's talk about this, because you want to

891
00:40:27,384 --> 00:40:28,464
Speaker 2: prioritize the friendship.

892
00:40:28,663 --> 00:40:29,863
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely.

893
00:40:30,384 --> 00:40:34,943
Speaker 3: It turns out that these yeah, having relationships for that long,

894
00:40:35,944 --> 00:40:39,024
Speaker 3: you have to talk things out. Stuff does get weird,

895
00:40:39,183 --> 00:40:44,064
Speaker 3: you know, and stuff and time passes and you don't know,

896
00:40:44,424 --> 00:40:47,864
Speaker 3: you go from when you're young and you're just hanging

897
00:40:47,864 --> 00:40:50,544
Speaker 3: out in studios or whatever. You spend all you know,

898
00:40:50,623 --> 00:40:52,743
Speaker 3: most of your free time is together, so you don't

899
00:40:52,743 --> 00:40:55,064
Speaker 3: actually have to have those check ins, I just saw you.

900
00:40:58,663 --> 00:40:59,904
Speaker 1: And I'll see you again.

901
00:40:59,944 --> 00:41:02,224
Speaker 2: And you're and you're also now if you two are working,

902
00:41:02,464 --> 00:41:03,944
Speaker 2: there's not a sense of like, we'll just do this

903
00:41:04,064 --> 00:41:06,663
Speaker 2: until four in the morning, because I got a kid.

904
00:41:06,984 --> 00:41:09,423
Speaker 3: Nothing until four in the morning. She's up at six.

905
00:41:09,544 --> 00:41:13,823
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, yeah, and we worked. You know, he's

906
00:41:13,824 --> 00:41:16,823
Speaker 3: off shooting a TV show right now. So also, like

907
00:41:16,944 --> 00:41:20,464
Speaker 3: geographically we're just spread out and time is different, so

908
00:41:20,504 --> 00:41:23,904
Speaker 3: it's just yeah with the clipping stuff too, Like finding

909
00:41:23,944 --> 00:41:26,024
Speaker 3: time to record now is crazy. When I first moved

910
00:41:26,064 --> 00:41:28,903
Speaker 3: to we started that band in twenty like eleven, when

911
00:41:28,944 --> 00:41:33,024
Speaker 3: I first came down to LA and it's very easy

912
00:41:33,024 --> 00:41:35,104
Speaker 3: to spend all day at Jonathan's house making rap songs.

913
00:41:35,104 --> 00:41:40,544
Speaker 3: I didn't have anything else to do. Literally, my calendar

914
00:41:40,623 --> 00:41:40,983
Speaker 3: was free.

915
00:41:41,223 --> 00:41:45,343
Speaker 2: Yeah, like my Google calendar. Yep, I'm free for the

916
00:41:45,663 --> 00:41:46,503
Speaker 2: till the end of time.

917
00:41:46,584 --> 00:41:48,783
Speaker 1: Currently, I've got nothing going on.

918
00:41:49,663 --> 00:41:51,623
Speaker 2: Has there been have you guys been Like you said,

919
00:41:52,143 --> 00:41:53,983
Speaker 2: there was a point where in early in relationship where

920
00:41:54,344 --> 00:41:57,383
Speaker 2: Rafa is like the big dog or the more prominent one,

921
00:41:57,703 --> 00:42:00,383
Speaker 2: and then you you're after Hamilton. Is there is there

922
00:42:00,424 --> 00:42:03,743
Speaker 2: any tension? There is there any sort of like guilt survivors.

923
00:42:03,824 --> 00:42:06,024
Speaker 3: You know that the I deal with a lot of

924
00:42:06,024 --> 00:42:08,104
Speaker 3: survivors guild, but not with that relationship.

925
00:42:08,183 --> 00:42:11,464
Speaker 1: Really. I think think.

926
00:42:13,143 --> 00:42:16,584
Speaker 3: The tension is always from It's not from within the relationship, right,

927
00:42:16,584 --> 00:42:20,303
Speaker 3: it's always from outside. But it's always it's and it

928
00:42:20,424 --> 00:42:25,104
Speaker 3: is often like I, how do I? Or it has

929
00:42:25,183 --> 00:42:27,463
Speaker 3: been with me and Rabbit's not really like this now.

930
00:42:27,584 --> 00:42:31,143
Speaker 3: But at some points early on, it was like, well,

931
00:42:31,223 --> 00:42:33,024
Speaker 3: how what can I.

932
00:42:33,064 --> 00:42:35,464
Speaker 1: Do to even this out?

933
00:42:36,064 --> 00:42:39,623
Speaker 3: Because there's no way I can get the thing isn't

934
00:42:39,623 --> 00:42:41,024
Speaker 3: out yet, right, There's no way that I can get

935
00:42:41,064 --> 00:42:43,823
Speaker 3: them to see it. So what's the what's the thing

936
00:42:43,824 --> 00:42:45,904
Speaker 3: that I can do to level this playing field or something?

937
00:42:47,104 --> 00:42:48,423
Speaker 1: What do you mean the thing isn't out yet?

938
00:42:48,663 --> 00:42:50,504
Speaker 3: Like when we were making blind spoting or whatever, you know,

939
00:42:50,623 --> 00:42:53,303
Speaker 3: for example, like trying to get that once this comes out,

940
00:42:54,064 --> 00:42:55,944
Speaker 3: I think it's very obvious.

941
00:42:56,104 --> 00:42:58,544
Speaker 1: That we're a duo. Yeah, but right now it's not here.

942
00:42:58,584 --> 00:43:00,984
Speaker 2: But so you're feeling I'm doing half the work, but

943
00:43:01,104 --> 00:43:03,663
Speaker 2: the world sees you as being the guy. Yeah, I

944
00:43:03,703 --> 00:43:06,223
Speaker 2: want you to feel like I value your input into this.

945
00:43:06,544 --> 00:43:08,783
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I used to worry about that a lot more,

946
00:43:08,824 --> 00:43:11,944
Speaker 3: but we've we've gotten pretty good at it. But yeah, yeah,

947
00:43:12,384 --> 00:43:14,823
Speaker 3: talk about being a dead is the best thing I've

948
00:43:14,864 --> 00:43:15,223
Speaker 3: ever done.

949
00:43:15,223 --> 00:43:17,183
Speaker 1: It's not even close, but.

950
00:43:17,223 --> 00:43:22,864
Speaker 3: It it did. It was that I really liked being

951
00:43:22,864 --> 00:43:28,064
Speaker 3: on the road before and I really enjoyed. Yeah, there's

952
00:43:28,104 --> 00:43:30,984
Speaker 3: a certain kind of like high that you get from that,

953
00:43:31,064 --> 00:43:34,264
Speaker 3: like not sleep like different city, every day kind of life.

954
00:43:35,464 --> 00:43:38,104
Speaker 3: And now I just literally everything is to go back home.

955
00:43:38,303 --> 00:43:41,064
Speaker 3: Like how much can I minimize the time away from home?

956
00:43:41,464 --> 00:43:43,224
Speaker 1: Is there a flight after the show? Yeah?

957
00:43:43,303 --> 00:43:45,944
Speaker 3: I'm on Red Eyes all the time, man, like like

958
00:43:46,024 --> 00:43:49,383
Speaker 3: I yeah, or that the you know the show I'm

959
00:43:49,384 --> 00:43:52,264
Speaker 3: working on right now in New York. I'm my lap whatever.

960
00:43:52,303 --> 00:43:54,064
Speaker 3: My last day of work is. There's a seven am

961
00:43:54,104 --> 00:43:56,143
Speaker 3: flight the next day, and I'm on it. You know,

962
00:43:56,303 --> 00:43:57,064
Speaker 3: they can get me on it.

963
00:43:57,104 --> 00:43:57,584
Speaker 1: I'm on it.

964
00:43:58,824 --> 00:44:00,303
Speaker 3: And here it's the if you put me on that

965
00:44:00,424 --> 00:44:02,463
Speaker 3: midnight red Eye, I'll take that one.

966
00:44:02,584 --> 00:44:02,783
Speaker 1: You know.

967
00:44:02,904 --> 00:44:04,783
Speaker 3: Mostly they don't like me to show up the day

968
00:44:04,783 --> 00:44:06,263
Speaker 3: of shows.

969
00:44:07,104 --> 00:44:09,823
Speaker 2: The more you start to like get you know, put

970
00:44:09,824 --> 00:44:12,104
Speaker 2: more miles on yourself. I don't say, youlder. You start

971
00:44:12,104 --> 00:44:14,143
Speaker 2: to realize I can't do that red Eye flight and

972
00:44:14,183 --> 00:44:15,503
Speaker 2: show up it like, hey, I'm here.

973
00:44:15,424 --> 00:44:17,904
Speaker 1: Everybody, I'm here to work and I'm ready to work.

974
00:44:18,344 --> 00:44:21,184
Speaker 3: I won't be good exactly, but again, like that's actually

975
00:44:21,263 --> 00:44:23,024
Speaker 3: less of a concern for me. And then spending time

976
00:44:23,024 --> 00:44:24,984
Speaker 3: with my kids, like if I get to do bedtime,

977
00:44:25,024 --> 00:44:26,504
Speaker 3: I'll take being shitty tomorrow.

978
00:44:28,584 --> 00:44:30,143
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need extra makeup today.

979
00:44:33,104 --> 00:44:37,824
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that thing is has been interesting.

980
00:44:39,384 --> 00:44:40,263
Speaker 1: But being a dad is.

981
00:44:41,984 --> 00:44:44,104
Speaker 2: What's the most surprising thing. I mean, I know it's

982
00:44:44,104 --> 00:44:47,223
Speaker 2: the best thing, but talking about some like really like

983
00:44:47,384 --> 00:44:50,743
Speaker 2: specific things for me, I'll say, just to give you

984
00:44:50,783 --> 00:44:56,463
Speaker 2: an example, like how much that like the kid.

985
00:44:56,584 --> 00:44:59,384
Speaker 1: The moment the kid is born, you're actually meeting.

986
00:44:59,183 --> 00:45:01,863
Speaker 2: Who they are, and it just reveals itself more over time,

987
00:45:02,384 --> 00:45:04,384
Speaker 2: Like from the day each of my three daughters was born.

988
00:45:04,544 --> 00:45:06,663
Speaker 2: They're that same person, but they were the day they

989
00:45:06,703 --> 00:45:09,183
Speaker 2: were born. It's just because I just see it more.

990
00:45:09,344 --> 00:45:11,064
Speaker 2: Their personality has emerged more over time.

991
00:45:11,104 --> 00:45:16,064
Speaker 1: Man, it's so real. And so yeah, they're not empty vessels.

992
00:45:16,104 --> 00:45:18,664
Speaker 2: They don't show they don't show up, like, oh well,

993
00:45:18,703 --> 00:45:20,584
Speaker 2: just put whatever person out of you wanted me.

994
00:45:20,864 --> 00:45:24,623
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I and I don't know, I don't

995
00:45:24,663 --> 00:45:26,784
Speaker 3: think I thought that's what it was going to be exactly,

996
00:45:26,824 --> 00:45:28,783
Speaker 3: but I did think i'd have slightly more influence than

997
00:45:28,824 --> 00:45:29,024
Speaker 3: I do.

998
00:45:29,544 --> 00:45:31,263
Speaker 1: For sure, turns out like I don't really have it.

999
00:45:32,584 --> 00:45:33,664
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get lucky.

1000
00:45:33,743 --> 00:45:37,504
Speaker 3: But he, you know, he's really into music, which is great,

1001
00:45:38,623 --> 00:45:40,743
Speaker 3: and we listen to so much music every day, and

1002
00:45:40,783 --> 00:45:43,104
Speaker 3: he's got you know, for for a two year old,

1003
00:45:43,143 --> 00:45:45,263
Speaker 3: like you know, generally they want to listen to the

1004
00:45:45,263 --> 00:45:47,623
Speaker 3: same things over and over again. But his his playlist

1005
00:45:47,623 --> 00:45:49,343
Speaker 3: of songs that he loves that you can sort of

1006
00:45:49,344 --> 00:45:52,343
Speaker 3: play anytime is like probably thirty songs long. Now, like

1007
00:45:52,384 --> 00:45:55,584
Speaker 3: he's you know, like he's made some musical stamina.

1008
00:45:55,703 --> 00:45:59,183
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And now are these are these kids songs? No?

1009
00:45:59,464 --> 00:46:01,383
Speaker 3: Almost none of them. Yeah, I mean he likes the

1010
00:46:01,384 --> 00:46:03,104
Speaker 3: Bluey theme song, come On.

1011
00:46:03,143 --> 00:46:05,703
Speaker 1: That's which I don't think blue is really kids programming.

1012
00:46:06,623 --> 00:46:08,584
Speaker 3: He doesn't really watch the show. I watched the show,

1013
00:46:08,663 --> 00:46:11,663
Speaker 3: but every time it loops back to the song.

1014
00:46:12,143 --> 00:46:16,144
Speaker 2: That's a show for parents, Yeah, and the cartoon parts

1015
00:46:16,183 --> 00:46:18,823
Speaker 2: for the for the kids, but the actual contents for

1016
00:46:18,824 --> 00:46:19,703
Speaker 2: the parents exactly.

1017
00:46:20,904 --> 00:46:23,864
Speaker 1: That show is so amazing. But big fan.

1018
00:46:23,783 --> 00:46:27,544
Speaker 3: Of of of uh g n X, Like he was

1019
00:46:27,584 --> 00:46:30,544
Speaker 3: like that was you know, which is amazing that it

1020
00:46:30,703 --> 00:46:32,943
Speaker 3: you know, it came out, it was for it was

1021
00:46:33,384 --> 00:46:36,703
Speaker 3: his generation. And he like that Kendriy Lamar halftime show.

1022
00:46:36,743 --> 00:46:38,984
Speaker 3: We were just watching it again. He watches it daily.

1023
00:46:39,024 --> 00:46:42,623
Speaker 3: We've had to limit it. Wa eat your vegetables and

1024
00:46:42,663 --> 00:46:45,383
Speaker 3: then we can watch literally what we do. Like that's

1025
00:46:45,464 --> 00:46:47,504
Speaker 3: not statement have.

1026
00:46:47,464 --> 00:46:49,423
Speaker 2: A lot of common because I just watched that recently too.

1027
00:46:49,703 --> 00:46:51,663
Speaker 2: Again like yeah, we yeah.

1028
00:46:51,504 --> 00:46:52,584
Speaker 1: That song all the time.

1029
00:46:52,623 --> 00:46:54,904
Speaker 3: And he has his favorite Peekaboos, his favorite song on

1030
00:46:55,024 --> 00:46:57,703
Speaker 3: the which is inappropriate.

1031
00:46:57,703 --> 00:47:00,903
Speaker 2: I'm a where my seven year olds a TV off kid.

1032
00:47:01,143 --> 00:47:03,944
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, yes, exactly.

1033
00:47:04,303 --> 00:47:07,544
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. He calls that song mustard. Yeah, she was

1034
00:47:07,544 --> 00:47:09,303
Speaker 1: excited to see mustard at the super Bowl.

1035
00:47:09,384 --> 00:47:13,303
Speaker 3: That was that mustard too, And every time it comes out,

1036
00:47:13,384 --> 00:47:18,504
Speaker 3: he goes here cup Mustard. Uh yeah, so g had

1037
00:47:18,623 --> 00:47:21,064
Speaker 3: X's is out. He's a big Brandy Carlisle fan. Didn't

1038
00:47:21,104 --> 00:47:24,464
Speaker 3: get that for me. I likes a lot of choices

1039
00:47:24,504 --> 00:47:26,823
Speaker 3: that are his own. Also, that's I would like.

1040
00:47:26,864 --> 00:47:29,464
Speaker 2: The musical festival that was like the big stage is

1041
00:47:29,544 --> 00:47:30,904
Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar and Brandy Carlisle.

1042
00:47:31,183 --> 00:47:32,544
Speaker 1: Yeah clipping.

1043
00:47:33,623 --> 00:47:35,504
Speaker 3: Yeah, he only likes a couple of my songs, but

1044
00:47:35,623 --> 00:47:37,544
Speaker 3: he does ask for them, which is very sweet.

1045
00:47:37,544 --> 00:47:39,463
Speaker 1: He goes one played dada rapping.

1046
00:47:40,703 --> 00:47:43,984
Speaker 3: Breaks my heart and then I'll play a song and

1047
00:47:44,024 --> 00:47:52,223
Speaker 3: he's like, not that one, but yeah, he's he's.

1048
00:47:52,904 --> 00:47:53,944
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he discovered.

1049
00:47:54,424 --> 00:47:56,544
Speaker 3: I left the room at one point and came back

1050
00:47:56,584 --> 00:47:58,943
Speaker 3: in and knew we were We had been like cruising through

1051
00:47:58,944 --> 00:48:01,544
Speaker 3: Apple Music on the Apple TV, which is how crazy

1052
00:48:01,584 --> 00:48:02,064
Speaker 3: it is.

1053
00:48:02,024 --> 00:48:03,384
Speaker 1: That he can use remotes and stuff.

1054
00:48:05,064 --> 00:48:06,903
Speaker 3: I left to use the bathroom, so I came back

1055
00:48:06,944 --> 00:48:10,703
Speaker 3: and he's got uh, some Egyptian pop song on called

1056
00:48:10,743 --> 00:48:16,183
Speaker 3: Bumm that he's just dancing and he's that he insisted

1057
00:48:16,183 --> 00:48:18,143
Speaker 3: that I added to his playlist right then, and it

1058
00:48:18,263 --> 00:48:20,303
Speaker 3: is like, that's another thing in heavy rotation that you

1059
00:48:20,344 --> 00:48:21,303
Speaker 3: discovered entire time.

1060
00:48:22,183 --> 00:48:24,024
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I had to go look up what

1061
00:48:24,064 --> 00:48:24,624
Speaker 1: it was about.

1062
00:48:24,783 --> 00:48:27,104
Speaker 3: Turns out it's like about a guy who like accidentally

1063
00:48:27,143 --> 00:48:30,623
Speaker 3: gets drunk uh when he's out with his friends and

1064
00:48:30,703 --> 00:48:32,024
Speaker 3: like the hilarity that ensues.

1065
00:48:32,064 --> 00:48:33,584
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a novelty song. Ah.

1066
00:48:33,663 --> 00:48:36,463
Speaker 3: This dude, Mohammed Rabadan, who was apparently like a that's

1067
00:48:36,544 --> 00:48:38,504
Speaker 3: which sounded fake to me, but that's because I don't

1068
00:48:38,544 --> 00:48:46,584
Speaker 3: know nothing. Uh apparently like a very big star. And yeah,

1069
00:48:47,504 --> 00:48:50,064
Speaker 3: I don't know, so that sou's crazy, but yeah him

1070
00:48:50,504 --> 00:48:53,184
Speaker 3: that that thing about them already being their own people.

1071
00:48:54,183 --> 00:48:57,864
Speaker 1: I think I was surprised initially.

1072
00:48:57,904 --> 00:49:00,383
Speaker 3: This has calmed down somewhat now, but by how much

1073
00:49:00,424 --> 00:49:03,223
Speaker 3: anxiety I had, Uh, right when he.

1074
00:49:03,223 --> 00:49:03,944
Speaker 1: Was very small.

1075
00:49:05,183 --> 00:49:09,623
Speaker 3: The pregnancy too, Yeah, I was having I thought I

1076
00:49:09,703 --> 00:49:11,504
Speaker 3: was sick, like I was in the death. The doctor

1077
00:49:11,544 --> 00:49:13,104
Speaker 3: all the time he was like, I think you should try.

1078
00:49:14,344 --> 00:49:17,183
Speaker 1: Oh wow, just like anxiety if I'm about to be

1079
00:49:17,183 --> 00:49:17,504
Speaker 1: a dad.

1080
00:49:17,623 --> 00:49:19,544
Speaker 3: I wore one of them seven day heart monitors, you know,

1081
00:49:19,584 --> 00:49:21,424
Speaker 3: I say, like I was really, I was like, there's

1082
00:49:21,464 --> 00:49:24,863
Speaker 3: something wrong with me and I wanted.

1083
00:49:24,584 --> 00:49:25,143
Speaker 1: To be a dad.

1084
00:49:25,223 --> 00:49:29,384
Speaker 3: It was just it was like this incredible amount of fear.

1085
00:49:32,183 --> 00:49:36,424
Speaker 3: And then when he was small too, just that this

1086
00:49:36,464 --> 00:49:38,983
Speaker 3: is the not knowing if you're doing anything right and

1087
00:49:39,143 --> 00:49:42,864
Speaker 3: what does that even mean? And like the whole you know, Yeah, really,

1088
00:49:43,064 --> 00:49:46,143
Speaker 3: I as a person who hasn't I'm a I'm a

1089
00:49:46,143 --> 00:49:48,143
Speaker 3: pretty nervous person, but I don't think of myself as

1090
00:49:48,143 --> 00:49:52,383
Speaker 3: an anxious person. I haven't had a ton of anxiety

1091
00:49:52,384 --> 00:49:55,023
Speaker 3: in my life, but that the last couple of years

1092
00:49:55,024 --> 00:49:58,663
Speaker 3: I've been like, yeah, more stressed that I ever.

1093
00:49:59,024 --> 00:50:00,984
Speaker 2: Have you figured out what it's connected to exactly? I mean,

1094
00:50:01,504 --> 00:50:03,703
Speaker 2: as a dad, I don't. I don't need to be like, wo,

1095
00:50:03,783 --> 00:50:05,383
Speaker 2: why would you be anxious? But I get but have

1096
00:50:05,504 --> 00:50:07,823
Speaker 2: you sort of figured out what it is or where

1097
00:50:07,824 --> 00:50:08,463
Speaker 2: it's coming from.

1098
00:50:08,544 --> 00:50:09,663
Speaker 1: I think it was just.

1099
00:50:11,263 --> 00:50:18,663
Speaker 3: I, you know, really loving somebody very deeply is anxiety

1100
00:50:18,663 --> 00:50:23,944
Speaker 3: inducing in some ways, and that like I can't control everything.

1101
00:50:23,944 --> 00:50:26,544
Speaker 3: I can't make everything good for them, you know, And

1102
00:50:26,584 --> 00:50:31,263
Speaker 3: I am so mostly I think at peace with like

1103
00:50:31,303 --> 00:50:33,383
Speaker 3: the that not everything's going to be good for me,

1104
00:50:34,104 --> 00:50:37,503
Speaker 3: you know, but you know, but you can't.

1105
00:50:37,544 --> 00:50:39,223
Speaker 1: You can't wrap your head around mind everything's gonna be

1106
00:50:39,223 --> 00:50:39,743
Speaker 1: good for him.

1107
00:50:39,984 --> 00:50:42,223
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then with a kid like I'd never I've

1108
00:50:42,263 --> 00:50:44,623
Speaker 3: never loved anybody that much like that was wild.

1109
00:50:44,824 --> 00:50:46,183
Speaker 1: So this this thing of.

1110
00:50:46,183 --> 00:50:49,943
Speaker 3: Being like, oh, I only want good things for you

1111
00:50:50,024 --> 00:50:53,224
Speaker 3: and that's impossible, and I I just like that really

1112
00:50:53,263 --> 00:50:56,263
Speaker 3: stresses me out. And I think I also had a

1113
00:50:57,263 --> 00:50:59,944
Speaker 3: I had a great childhood in a very hard situation,

1114
00:51:00,064 --> 00:51:02,863
Speaker 3: you know, saying in hindsight, like we were poor, we

1115
00:51:02,864 --> 00:51:04,703
Speaker 3: were East Oakland, we were you know, like it was

1116
00:51:04,743 --> 00:51:08,943
Speaker 3: a lot against us. And I was so happy and

1117
00:51:09,024 --> 00:51:15,383
Speaker 3: like I had so much fun and we have everything relatively,

1118
00:51:15,584 --> 00:51:19,104
Speaker 3: and I am so worried about his happiness all the time,

1119
00:51:19,183 --> 00:51:21,303
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just like, oh, is this what you

1120
00:51:21,384 --> 00:51:24,064
Speaker 3: want to do? And I like and am I around enough?

1121
00:51:24,104 --> 00:51:26,623
Speaker 3: Which I'm really worth of being around. That's the one

1122
00:51:26,623 --> 00:51:28,303
Speaker 3: thing I know is that both my parents were they

1123
00:51:28,303 --> 00:51:30,864
Speaker 3: were there, they weren't together, they were both very present,

1124
00:51:30,944 --> 00:51:33,464
Speaker 3: you know. So that's the one thing I try to

1125
00:51:33,464 --> 00:51:36,544
Speaker 3: control as much as I can. But that just that

1126
00:51:36,584 --> 00:51:38,824
Speaker 3: am I he's about to start preschool? Are we choosing

1127
00:51:38,864 --> 00:51:41,544
Speaker 3: the right I don't know, like what and it's preschool.

1128
00:51:41,984 --> 00:51:45,384
Speaker 3: It's not even we could change it if he doesn't

1129
00:51:45,424 --> 00:51:47,464
Speaker 3: like it, go somewhere else, like where It feels like

1130
00:51:47,783 --> 00:51:49,663
Speaker 3: such a stressful decision right now.

1131
00:51:49,984 --> 00:51:50,703
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.

1132
00:52:08,944 --> 00:52:11,504
Speaker 2: We live at a time where the algorith than once

1133
00:52:11,544 --> 00:52:13,263
Speaker 2: it knows, Oh you and your dad, let me send

1134
00:52:13,263 --> 00:52:14,944
Speaker 2: you some things to be anxious about you and.

1135
00:52:15,064 --> 00:52:18,943
Speaker 3: Get the hell off. Yeah, barely have to promote something.

1136
00:52:18,944 --> 00:52:20,984
Speaker 3: I got tapped back in, but mostly off that.

1137
00:52:21,424 --> 00:52:22,943
Speaker 2: But I think there's just the idea that there's also

1138
00:52:23,024 --> 00:52:25,944
Speaker 2: just so much more information to make you feel anxious,

1139
00:52:26,504 --> 00:52:29,663
Speaker 2: and and that before when our parents were around, they

1140
00:52:29,703 --> 00:52:31,104
Speaker 2: just had to sort of you know, there's that one

1141
00:52:31,143 --> 00:52:33,303
Speaker 2: doctor's bock book, But other than that, it was just

1142
00:52:33,344 --> 00:52:36,944
Speaker 2: like just like figure it out. Whereas now there's like,

1143
00:52:37,104 --> 00:52:39,504
Speaker 2: oh it's a book. Here's a book for kids who

1144
00:52:39,504 --> 00:52:41,024
Speaker 2: are one month and three days old, you know what

1145
00:52:41,064 --> 00:52:43,984
Speaker 2: I mean. So like there's just a lot more information

1146
00:52:44,024 --> 00:52:46,464
Speaker 2: that wants to make you anxious. But and I understand that, Like,

1147
00:52:47,303 --> 00:52:49,263
Speaker 2: and I as a dad who travels a lot, and

1148
00:52:49,904 --> 00:52:51,783
Speaker 2: as a dad who if I talk about work, my

1149
00:52:51,864 --> 00:52:52,944
Speaker 2: kids sort of have that moment.

1150
00:52:53,024 --> 00:52:54,343
Speaker 1: Like are you about to leave? You know what I mean?

1151
00:52:54,384 --> 00:52:56,863
Speaker 2: Like, it's just like often and I don't travel as

1152
00:52:56,944 --> 00:52:59,024
Speaker 2: much as I used to, but like even coming down here,

1153
00:52:59,064 --> 00:53:01,303
Speaker 2: I have to go I'm too sleeps. I'll be gone

1154
00:53:01,424 --> 00:53:03,584
Speaker 2: for two sleeps. You have to describing things and sleeps.

1155
00:53:03,584 --> 00:53:05,464
Speaker 2: I feel like it helps, Like.

1156
00:53:05,344 --> 00:53:13,544
Speaker 3: It changed everything so immediately and all, like I love

1157
00:53:13,623 --> 00:53:15,903
Speaker 3: my life right now. It's so great, but it was

1158
00:53:15,984 --> 00:53:18,024
Speaker 3: it is. It's a it's a big.

1159
00:53:17,824 --> 00:53:21,504
Speaker 1: Change you So yeah, yeah, it's great. It makes me.

1160
00:53:21,743 --> 00:53:23,663
Speaker 2: When you're on the road, you're always like you said,

1161
00:53:23,703 --> 00:53:24,983
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I'm glad to be here.

1162
00:53:25,984 --> 00:53:28,463
Speaker 1: After the show, you's go to the airport, Yeah, get

1163
00:53:28,544 --> 00:53:30,943
Speaker 1: how to get home? How do I get home from here? Yeah?

1164
00:53:30,944 --> 00:53:33,504
Speaker 2: This is like I'm like, oh, this will wrap up soon.

1165
00:53:33,623 --> 00:53:35,223
Speaker 2: I mean I have a nine o'clock flight, but I

1166
00:53:35,263 --> 00:53:37,024
Speaker 2: can just go straight to the airport, you know, you

1167
00:53:37,504 --> 00:53:39,303
Speaker 2: like it's the idea of like all all.

1168
00:53:39,263 --> 00:53:41,303
Speaker 3: Three of us in Clipping now have young children and

1169
00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:44,263
Speaker 3: like that. Jonathan described it really well one time. It's

1170
00:53:44,303 --> 00:53:45,984
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I love playing shows.

1171
00:53:46,064 --> 00:53:46,504
Speaker 1: I love it.

1172
00:53:46,623 --> 00:53:49,464
Speaker 3: Nothing's better than hanging out with my daughter. Though that

1173
00:53:49,703 --> 00:53:52,663
Speaker 3: I would of course rather be doing that than anything else.

1174
00:53:52,703 --> 00:53:54,584
Speaker 3: So it doesn't really matter how much I love this.

1175
00:53:54,783 --> 00:53:56,143
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that more.

1176
00:53:56,223 --> 00:53:58,864
Speaker 2: Yeah, just unfortunately I can't figeret how hanging off my

1177
00:53:58,944 --> 00:53:59,584
Speaker 2: daughter will pay.

1178
00:54:00,064 --> 00:54:02,424
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean you can't they come to

1179
00:54:02,424 --> 00:54:02,703
Speaker 1: the show?

1180
00:54:03,104 --> 00:54:05,064
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you do like a family channel where you

1181
00:54:05,104 --> 00:54:06,623
Speaker 2: just put your family on the internet.

1182
00:54:07,183 --> 00:54:09,263
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do that. No, I can't do it either.

1183
00:54:09,263 --> 00:54:11,623
Speaker 1: I can't do wish that for me. He is very

1184
00:54:11,663 --> 00:54:15,143
Speaker 1: cute though. You look at your kid like, man, you

1185
00:54:15,183 --> 00:54:18,424
Speaker 1: could be you could really make some money kid, I talking,

1186
00:54:18,663 --> 00:54:20,464
Speaker 1: I could just be your manager. We could really be

1187
00:54:20,504 --> 00:54:22,823
Speaker 1: out there. That has occurred to me.

1188
00:54:23,344 --> 00:54:26,823
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think he's pretty introverted like me.

1189
00:54:26,864 --> 00:54:29,024
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have it so for sure.

1190
00:54:29,263 --> 00:54:29,663
Speaker 1: For sure.

1191
00:54:30,183 --> 00:54:33,104
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, a couple more things,

1192
00:54:33,623 --> 00:54:36,024
Speaker 2: so I moved to the Bay in ninety seven, and

1193
00:54:36,064 --> 00:54:37,464
Speaker 2: I was really moving to be a part of the

1194
00:54:37,504 --> 00:54:40,223
Speaker 2: San Franco comedy scene. But I found an apartment in Oakland.

1195
00:54:40,663 --> 00:54:43,223
Speaker 2: So that's how I ended up in Oakland. I lived

1196
00:54:43,223 --> 00:54:44,904
Speaker 2: in the city, but I was even for a while,

1197
00:54:44,904 --> 00:54:46,824
Speaker 2: but I was always in Oakland because I met Melissa.

1198
00:54:46,864 --> 00:54:48,703
Speaker 2: She was in the East Bay. So I worked had

1199
00:54:48,703 --> 00:54:50,823
Speaker 2: a day job in Berkeley, and so it was like

1200
00:54:50,984 --> 00:54:53,183
Speaker 2: I was like again the sliding door things. If I

1201
00:54:53,223 --> 00:54:55,784
Speaker 2: found an apartment in San Francisco, maybe I'm a different

1202
00:54:55,984 --> 00:54:59,663
Speaker 2: my life's different, but I'm so like and I've only

1203
00:54:59,783 --> 00:55:01,743
Speaker 2: learned more as I've sort of been in Oakland. And

1204
00:55:01,783 --> 00:55:03,663
Speaker 2: we moved back to the Bay in twenty fourteen, right

1205
00:55:03,663 --> 00:55:07,263
Speaker 2: apart met you. And my one oldest Dough was born

1206
00:55:07,303 --> 00:55:08,904
Speaker 2: in San Francisco. By the two kids were born in

1207
00:55:08,904 --> 00:55:12,863
Speaker 2: the East Bay. But so there's just this real sense

1208
00:55:12,904 --> 00:55:14,543
Speaker 2: of like my kids are growing up with this idea

1209
00:55:14,544 --> 00:55:16,104
Speaker 2: of like we are from Oakland or we are from

1210
00:55:16,104 --> 00:55:19,824
Speaker 2: the East Bay. Uh, can you talk about for people

1211
00:55:19,824 --> 00:55:22,743
Speaker 2: from the outside, because there's a thing and I heard you,

1212
00:55:22,984 --> 00:55:25,143
Speaker 2: we've talked about You've talked about before, like that you

1213
00:55:25,223 --> 00:55:28,183
Speaker 2: told me when you were doing blind spotting that like

1214
00:55:28,504 --> 00:55:30,663
Speaker 2: you had to explain to the to the costume people, No,

1215
00:55:30,703 --> 00:55:32,504
Speaker 2: people from Oakland were things that say Oakland on.

1216
00:55:34,783 --> 00:55:36,064
Speaker 1: It's not it's not weird.

1217
00:55:36,104 --> 00:55:40,104
Speaker 2: It's not only tourists do conversation. Yeah, like no, actually

1218
00:55:40,143 --> 00:55:41,584
Speaker 2: we do wear It's not.

1219
00:55:41,504 --> 00:55:46,024
Speaker 3: Like everybody can just be wearing shirts to wrap the city. Yeah,

1220
00:55:46,344 --> 00:55:48,584
Speaker 3: they kind of go walk around for a second, you know,

1221
00:55:48,984 --> 00:55:49,303
Speaker 3: I can.

1222
00:55:49,984 --> 00:55:53,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, so can you just explain what that is? Why?

1223
00:55:53,223 --> 00:55:55,464
Speaker 2: What is the secret sauce there? Because you know, a

1224
00:55:55,504 --> 00:55:57,504
Speaker 2: lot of people love their hometown, but you've traveled all

1225
00:55:57,544 --> 00:55:59,263
Speaker 2: over the world, so you've seen other places.

1226
00:55:59,464 --> 00:56:00,264
Speaker 1: What is it about?

1227
00:56:00,464 --> 00:56:02,024
Speaker 2: And I feel like there's also part as a conversation

1228
00:56:02,104 --> 00:56:05,024
Speaker 2: that I also want to have East Bay versus Oakland.

1229
00:56:05,743 --> 00:56:08,623
Speaker 2: That's interesting, like like you also went to school in Berkeley, right, Yeah,

1230
00:56:08,663 --> 00:56:12,383
Speaker 2: so there's also the Berkeley thing versus Oakland. And I

1231
00:56:12,384 --> 00:56:15,143
Speaker 2: find myself in times like trying to figure out I

1232
00:56:15,424 --> 00:56:17,303
Speaker 2: live in Oakland. I love Oakland, but also I love

1233
00:56:17,344 --> 00:56:19,663
Speaker 2: the greater East Bay and also I did live in Berkeley,

1234
00:56:19,703 --> 00:56:21,223
Speaker 2: you know. And I'm not mad, you know, and I'm

1235
00:56:21,223 --> 00:56:23,584
Speaker 2: not trying to but just but there is a there's

1236
00:56:23,623 --> 00:56:26,104
Speaker 2: all these different ways to describe this place and to

1237
00:56:26,584 --> 00:56:27,224
Speaker 2: name this place.

1238
00:56:27,464 --> 00:56:34,944
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot to unpack there.

1239
00:56:33,824 --> 00:56:36,024
Speaker 1: A lot. Yeah, and it is inside baseball, but I

1240
00:56:36,064 --> 00:56:36,783
Speaker 1: sort of feel.

1241
00:56:36,544 --> 00:56:38,544
Speaker 3: Like there's no more baseball. But yeah, that's not true

1242
00:56:38,584 --> 00:56:42,864
Speaker 3: the route, I mean the balls dollars, yeah, the ballers.

1243
00:56:43,384 --> 00:56:46,104
Speaker 2: But yeah, so like I just feel like you are

1244
00:56:46,183 --> 00:56:48,823
Speaker 2: from that place. So you and I feel sometimes I've

1245
00:56:48,824 --> 00:56:52,544
Speaker 2: gotten to the place where I'm really careful with my language,

1246
00:56:52,944 --> 00:56:55,823
Speaker 2: like because I know that sometimes people from Oakland are like, hey, come,

1247
00:56:55,864 --> 00:56:58,783
Speaker 2: I'll slow the you know what I mean, Like, you're

1248
00:56:58,783 --> 00:57:01,343
Speaker 2: not you didn't go to high school here, so settle down.

1249
00:57:01,504 --> 00:57:03,423
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, so you know, okay, I'll send

1250
00:57:03,464 --> 00:57:04,783
Speaker 1: it out a little bit, you know, but you I

1251
00:57:04,824 --> 00:57:06,984
Speaker 1: don't know, you've been there off a long time. But

1252
00:57:06,984 --> 00:57:09,863
Speaker 1: but yeah, always like you're I've been here long, You've

1253
00:57:09,864 --> 00:57:15,464
Speaker 1: been alive. But okay, I think.

1254
00:57:16,864 --> 00:57:20,024
Speaker 3: This is this feels like it's I'm speaking from a

1255
00:57:20,104 --> 00:57:21,624
Speaker 3: particular perspective of my age.

1256
00:57:21,744 --> 00:57:23,024
Speaker 1: Also that should be midware.

1257
00:57:23,104 --> 00:57:24,823
Speaker 3: So like, I don't know how this applies to people

1258
00:57:24,864 --> 00:57:28,784
Speaker 3: younger than me, but it used to be and this

1259
00:57:28,904 --> 00:57:32,504
Speaker 3: is still to a degree true when you tell people

1260
00:57:32,544 --> 00:57:36,224
Speaker 3: you're from California. It's either La or San Francisco, right,

1261
00:57:36,304 --> 00:57:38,104
Speaker 3: Like those are the two things that people.

1262
00:57:38,064 --> 00:57:44,024
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, for sure. So part of being.

1263
00:57:43,744 --> 00:57:46,784
Speaker 3: From the East Bay was about differentiating from that. It

1264
00:57:46,864 --> 00:57:49,464
Speaker 3: was this hard line about we are not San Francisco,

1265
00:57:51,184 --> 00:57:53,104
Speaker 3: and you know, because you're there, like culturally they are

1266
00:57:53,184 --> 00:57:58,344
Speaker 3: very different experiences. But also like yeah, we just hated

1267
00:57:59,144 --> 00:58:01,544
Speaker 3: that thing, like that's not who we are, Like we're

1268
00:58:01,744 --> 00:58:03,984
Speaker 3: we're over here and we're own thing. We're either it's

1269
00:58:03,984 --> 00:58:04,224
Speaker 3: sort of.

1270
00:58:04,224 --> 00:58:09,464
Speaker 2: Analogous to the Brooklyn Queens thing, but like cities different

1271
00:58:09,464 --> 00:58:11,624
Speaker 2: cultures and dif personality.

1272
00:58:11,064 --> 00:58:12,343
Speaker 1: Functions the same way sort of.

1273
00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:18,184
Speaker 3: And so there's that Oakland being kind of like the

1274
00:58:18,224 --> 00:58:21,584
Speaker 3: biggest East Bay city, like the kind of hub that

1275
00:58:21,744 --> 00:58:24,264
Speaker 3: also became kind of a catch all for East Bay, right,

1276
00:58:24,384 --> 00:58:28,343
Speaker 3: And so there'd be again like if you're away, you

1277
00:58:28,384 --> 00:58:31,184
Speaker 3: could tell people from San Franciso, No from Oakland, then

1278
00:58:31,184 --> 00:58:32,664
Speaker 3: you have to smatch just across the bridge.

1279
00:58:32,864 --> 00:58:33,304
Speaker 1: Whatever.

1280
00:58:33,984 --> 00:58:37,144
Speaker 3: If you start saying at if you start saying things

1281
00:58:37,184 --> 00:58:41,544
Speaker 3: like Hayward or San Leandro or whatever else, Rito, Albany

1282
00:58:41,624 --> 00:58:44,584
Speaker 3: where I lived, like all of it, you know, Richmond,

1283
00:58:44,624 --> 00:58:48,104
Speaker 3: all of these other things. People, It got so granular

1284
00:58:48,144 --> 00:58:50,944
Speaker 3: that people couldn't take it. So there was also this

1285
00:58:50,984 --> 00:58:54,463
Speaker 3: generalization happening, and for people who are really from Oakland.

1286
00:58:54,224 --> 00:58:56,823
Speaker 1: Used to be like you got used to.

1287
00:58:56,824 --> 00:59:00,064
Speaker 3: Being like people say, I'm from Oakland, Oh where we'll

1288
00:59:00,104 --> 00:59:02,304
Speaker 3: part you from you or i'm from there too.

1289
00:59:02,424 --> 00:59:05,744
Speaker 1: Oh well I'm from Piedmont.

1290
00:59:05,504 --> 00:59:07,464
Speaker 3: You know, which is actually like part of Oakland, but

1291
00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:11,184
Speaker 3: you didn't want to you know, or you know it

1292
00:59:11,224 --> 00:59:14,983
Speaker 3: was like a suburb or you know, I'm from Hayward people. Yeah,

1293
00:59:15,384 --> 00:59:18,864
Speaker 3: so there there's this this other kind of like Oakland chauvinism,

1294
00:59:18,904 --> 00:59:21,264
Speaker 3: because Oakland feels special because it.

1295
00:59:21,304 --> 00:59:22,144
Speaker 1: Like was the hub.

1296
00:59:22,584 --> 00:59:28,064
Speaker 3: It was like it had the the it was a

1297
00:59:29,024 --> 00:59:32,664
Speaker 3: historically was like a rougher area, you know, although I don't.

1298
00:59:32,504 --> 00:59:39,184
Speaker 1: Know, we were always scared of Richmond. But so yeah,

1299
00:59:39,224 --> 00:59:40,584
Speaker 1: so there was there was that too.

1300
00:59:41,824 --> 00:59:43,423
Speaker 3: So yeah, there was like a badge of honor with

1301
00:59:43,464 --> 00:59:46,463
Speaker 3: being from Oakland, from this like home of the Black

1302
00:59:46,504 --> 00:59:49,784
Speaker 3: Panther Party, this like real like sort of important like

1303
00:59:49,864 --> 00:59:55,024
Speaker 3: cultural culturally relevant thing. And so I always I was

1304
00:59:55,064 --> 00:59:57,224
Speaker 3: born in Oakland, and my dad always lived in Oakland,

1305
00:59:57,344 --> 01:00:00,064
Speaker 3: and my mom then kept moving further and further north.

1306
01:00:00,104 --> 01:00:01,584
Speaker 3: So I was as a person who was kind of

1307
01:00:01,704 --> 01:00:05,503
Speaker 3: out of place anyway, would always just claim Oakland because

1308
01:00:05,504 --> 01:00:08,823
Speaker 3: I was always living there, and then when I moved

1309
01:00:08,824 --> 01:00:10,823
Speaker 3: back home, I moved to Oakland, So you know, I've

1310
01:00:10,864 --> 01:00:14,464
Speaker 3: alway felt like that was my home. But I also,

1311
01:00:14,624 --> 01:00:16,503
Speaker 3: like my mom lived in Albany, and I would never

1312
01:00:16,544 --> 01:00:17,943
Speaker 3: claim that, like that's great.

1313
01:00:18,024 --> 01:00:19,704
Speaker 1: You don't want to say that in public.

1314
01:00:19,424 --> 01:00:25,264
Speaker 3: Like Albany is a very like well off small suburb

1315
01:00:25,304 --> 01:00:29,264
Speaker 3: with great public schools and where the most of the population,

1316
01:00:29,544 --> 01:00:35,383
Speaker 3: at least at the time, were families of professors or

1317
01:00:35,504 --> 01:00:38,264
Speaker 3: my mom's case, they had one student housing complex down

1318
01:00:38,264 --> 01:00:40,544
Speaker 3: by the train tracks called the University Village where like

1319
01:00:40,584 --> 01:00:44,024
Speaker 3: graduate students with families could could live. And so my

1320
01:00:44,024 --> 01:00:45,863
Speaker 3: mom had gone back to school after my brother was born,

1321
01:00:45,904 --> 01:00:50,383
Speaker 3: and so she moved to the village, which is really

1322
01:00:50,384 --> 01:00:52,904
Speaker 3: desirable because again, like great public schools in Albany. So

1323
01:00:52,944 --> 01:00:54,823
Speaker 3: if you're gonna send it the thing, I understand so

1324
01:00:54,944 --> 01:00:56,944
Speaker 3: much more now than I did at the time. But

1325
01:00:57,024 --> 01:00:59,624
Speaker 3: like you just educated in public school, you could live

1326
01:00:59,624 --> 01:01:01,024
Speaker 3: in Albany, then there you go.

1327
01:01:02,544 --> 01:01:02,903
Speaker 1: And so.

1328
01:01:04,864 --> 01:01:09,264
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there there's always this kind of like division

1329
01:01:09,344 --> 01:01:11,823
Speaker 3: and explanation and like where you were from and all

1330
01:01:11,824 --> 01:01:15,903
Speaker 3: this stuff. But yeah, a lot of it, at least

1331
01:01:16,184 --> 01:01:19,944
Speaker 3: when we were young, was about being able to claim

1332
01:01:19,944 --> 01:01:24,064
Speaker 3: something that felt tough, you know, both because like it's

1333
01:01:24,064 --> 01:01:25,464
Speaker 3: cool because you're a young man and you want to

1334
01:01:25,464 --> 01:01:28,104
Speaker 3: feel tough, and also because like there's a certain kind

1335
01:01:28,104 --> 01:01:31,104
Speaker 3: of safety with having people be a little bit afraid

1336
01:01:31,104 --> 01:01:34,944
Speaker 3: of you for no good reason, right, Like especially for

1337
01:01:34,984 --> 01:01:37,024
Speaker 3: someone like me, you know, who's not a scary person,

1338
01:01:37,464 --> 01:01:39,584
Speaker 3: but I need to lead with something that's a little

1339
01:01:39,584 --> 01:01:43,863
Speaker 3: bit like ohh and like that. There's another great thing

1340
01:01:43,904 --> 01:01:46,344
Speaker 3: about Oakland is that like there's a kind of danger

1341
01:01:46,344 --> 01:01:48,624
Speaker 3: associated with it, even though like a lot of us

1342
01:01:48,624 --> 01:01:52,064
Speaker 3: are very artsy, like, even though it's sort of and

1343
01:01:52,104 --> 01:01:56,544
Speaker 3: it's you know, you get your you get your like kumbaya,

1344
01:01:56,744 --> 01:01:58,784
Speaker 3: you're sort of hippi asthetic mixed right in with all

1345
01:01:58,784 --> 01:02:03,304
Speaker 3: your gangsterism and stuff. So it's and it was, So

1346
01:02:03,344 --> 01:02:04,904
Speaker 3: it's very useful to be able to come from a

1347
01:02:04,944 --> 01:02:08,503
Speaker 3: place that is that mixture, you know, where I got

1348
01:02:08,864 --> 01:02:12,944
Speaker 3: the hard part for free to actually portray.

1349
01:02:12,584 --> 01:02:13,064
Speaker 1: Any of it.

1350
01:02:14,024 --> 01:02:17,064
Speaker 3: And so yeah, that's what I think about it for me.

1351
01:02:17,224 --> 01:02:22,344
Speaker 3: But it is like sort of the rich cultural history,

1352
01:02:22,384 --> 01:02:27,304
Speaker 3: the history of protests, the intellectual history of Oakland, you know,

1353
01:02:28,864 --> 01:02:31,184
Speaker 3: and it is all there, and it is all there

1354
01:02:31,224 --> 01:02:35,064
Speaker 3: actually in the Holy Spay, but the neighborhoods feel different.

1355
01:02:35,104 --> 01:02:37,744
Speaker 3: But like you know, I can go home and talk

1356
01:02:37,784 --> 01:02:39,943
Speaker 3: to people about books. I can't really talk to people

1357
01:02:39,944 --> 01:02:40,984
Speaker 3: in La about books.

1358
01:02:41,024 --> 01:02:45,224
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah.

1359
01:02:46,744 --> 01:02:51,863
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's that there is something different there, and

1360
01:02:54,144 --> 01:02:57,424
Speaker 3: especially for artists, but kind of for everybody, there's a

1361
01:02:59,184 --> 01:03:01,863
Speaker 3: I think if you're from there, there's a there's an

1362
01:03:01,944 --> 01:03:04,624
Speaker 3: understanding that like it is special, and a lot of

1363
01:03:04,704 --> 01:03:07,584
Speaker 3: us end up fighting to keep it that way or

1364
01:03:07,624 --> 01:03:10,184
Speaker 3: to figure out how to keep it that way, and

1365
01:03:10,384 --> 01:03:13,224
Speaker 3: to figure out how to be able to survive and

1366
01:03:13,264 --> 01:03:15,304
Speaker 3: live there and make better livings there, and you know,

1367
01:03:15,344 --> 01:03:17,343
Speaker 3: you're still living there, so like this is a this

1368
01:03:17,424 --> 01:03:19,463
Speaker 3: is weird, like really part of that it's like how

1369
01:03:19,504 --> 01:03:22,624
Speaker 3: to you know, how can we grow this here instead

1370
01:03:22,624 --> 01:03:25,423
Speaker 3: of having to leave so much to figure this out

1371
01:03:26,104 --> 01:03:31,744
Speaker 3: and so and often at odds with our elected officials

1372
01:03:31,864 --> 01:03:35,144
Speaker 3: or you know, like there's often not a lot of help.

1373
01:03:36,424 --> 01:03:39,423
Speaker 3: But because I think historically that is also true, like

1374
01:03:40,544 --> 01:03:42,784
Speaker 3: the way community works there is different than it is

1375
01:03:42,824 --> 01:03:43,744
Speaker 3: in a lot of places.

1376
01:03:44,024 --> 01:03:44,704
Speaker 1: Certainly that it.

1377
01:03:44,704 --> 01:03:48,584
Speaker 3: Is here, you know, which geographically is very different. There

1378
01:03:48,584 --> 01:03:53,544
Speaker 3: are all sorts of reasons for that, but.

1379
01:03:51,624 --> 01:03:55,784
Speaker 2: But yeah, La was northern was that area, it would

1380
01:03:55,824 --> 01:03:57,744
Speaker 2: be like nine different cities, yeah, like it would not

1381
01:03:57,784 --> 01:03:58,784
Speaker 2: be just Los Angeles.

1382
01:03:58,904 --> 01:04:02,624
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we you know, there's a.

1383
01:04:04,064 --> 01:04:06,624
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a kind of community there that like does

1384
01:04:06,784 --> 01:04:10,383
Speaker 3: feel different. And I think when you're from there, you've

1385
01:04:10,384 --> 01:04:12,544
Speaker 3: lived there a long time, there is this sort of

1386
01:04:13,584 --> 01:04:16,264
Speaker 3: drive and desire to continue to give back to it

1387
01:04:16,304 --> 01:04:19,264
Speaker 3: and continue to figure out how to make it a

1388
01:04:19,264 --> 01:04:24,304
Speaker 3: better place because we all love it so much and

1389
01:04:24,344 --> 01:04:27,384
Speaker 3: even when we're not there, like we want it to thrive,

1390
01:04:27,584 --> 01:04:30,384
Speaker 3: like or really the so much of my identity is

1391
01:04:30,424 --> 01:04:33,624
Speaker 3: about being from Oakland and being from the East Bay

1392
01:04:33,624 --> 01:04:38,664
Speaker 3: in general, and so like as that changes, I feel

1393
01:04:38,784 --> 01:04:43,024
Speaker 3: it is like shake, it shakes some things for me.

1394
01:04:43,504 --> 01:04:45,984
Speaker 1: You know there were.

1395
01:04:47,784 --> 01:04:50,744
Speaker 3: Yeah people could you know, families that I knew can't

1396
01:04:50,744 --> 01:04:52,624
Speaker 3: live there anymore, all that stuff, like all these just

1397
01:04:52,824 --> 01:04:54,984
Speaker 3: home the things that you called home, And that happens

1398
01:04:55,024 --> 01:04:57,823
Speaker 3: for everybody everywhere, but I think us, or for me,

1399
01:04:58,424 --> 01:05:00,544
Speaker 3: loving that place so much, like it takes on like

1400
01:05:00,624 --> 01:05:04,264
Speaker 3: more of a Sometimes you feel like your foundation gets

1401
01:05:04,304 --> 01:05:08,184
Speaker 3: shaky when I don't know if the a's leave heard something,

1402
01:05:08,224 --> 01:05:08,744
Speaker 3: you know, like.

1403
01:05:11,224 --> 01:05:12,584
Speaker 1: Whatever or the or.

1404
01:05:12,544 --> 01:05:19,224
Speaker 3: The Warriors leader aside, I'm not yeah, a slap in

1405
01:05:19,264 --> 01:05:22,064
Speaker 3: the face. You were on the better side.

1406
01:05:22,464 --> 01:05:24,584
Speaker 2: You want some championships and services, like oh we'd like

1407
01:05:24,664 --> 01:05:28,304
Speaker 2: that team now, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think it's

1408
01:05:28,344 --> 01:05:32,624
Speaker 2: just the sort of connected to all this is there's

1409
01:05:32,704 --> 01:05:36,423
Speaker 2: not every city has an activist culture, but I don't

1410
01:05:36,424 --> 01:05:39,744
Speaker 2: know that every city demands that all of its people

1411
01:05:39,784 --> 01:05:41,704
Speaker 2: sort of be engaged in the activist culture of the

1412
01:05:41,744 --> 01:05:44,343
Speaker 2: way that Oakland does. And Berkeley is part of this

1413
01:05:44,384 --> 01:05:46,343
Speaker 2: too with the free speech movement and everything. But the

1414
01:05:46,344 --> 01:05:48,984
Speaker 2: idea that like talk about, because you could be doing

1415
01:05:49,024 --> 01:05:52,823
Speaker 2: everything you're doing and not be regularly engaging in activism.

1416
01:05:53,264 --> 01:05:55,544
Speaker 2: You could just be like, I'm working, I'm a good

1417
01:05:55,544 --> 01:05:59,903
Speaker 2: representative of my city, but you are also regularly sort

1418
01:05:59,904 --> 01:06:03,664
Speaker 2: of like speaking out and saying things and supporting things

1419
01:06:03,784 --> 01:06:07,384
Speaker 2: someone regularly. Yeah, yeah, I mean I see you know, yeah,

1420
01:06:07,464 --> 01:06:08,304
Speaker 2: I'll say regularly.

1421
01:06:08,504 --> 01:06:12,424
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, more than most. All right again, more flowers,

1422
01:06:12,504 --> 01:06:15,304
Speaker 1: thank you? Sorry, yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing. When people

1423
01:06:15,344 --> 01:06:17,104
Speaker 1: call on you, you do answer the call.

1424
01:06:17,584 --> 01:06:19,864
Speaker 2: It's not like you're not like, sorry, I've got a

1425
01:06:19,864 --> 01:06:22,464
Speaker 2: big movie coming out. I can't really be out here

1426
01:06:22,904 --> 01:06:25,424
Speaker 2: looking like I care about these things I care about humans.

1427
01:06:25,504 --> 01:06:29,503
Speaker 1: Yeah, so why do you answer the call? Yeah?

1428
01:06:29,544 --> 01:06:31,304
Speaker 3: I mean I think it was how we grew up,

1429
01:06:31,344 --> 01:06:33,944
Speaker 3: you know, I mean the Berkeley of all, the Berkeley

1430
01:06:33,984 --> 01:06:35,903
Speaker 3: High thing, like we were walking out of school every day.

1431
01:06:35,944 --> 01:06:38,224
Speaker 3: I don't know, prote it was a protest. It was

1432
01:06:38,264 --> 01:06:41,944
Speaker 3: at least a protest a week. It's just like and

1433
01:06:41,984 --> 01:06:43,823
Speaker 3: the teachers were like, oh, we got to wrap up

1434
01:06:43,824 --> 01:06:44,304
Speaker 3: class earlier.

1435
01:06:44,304 --> 01:06:45,624
Speaker 1: I know, you got a big protest to get to.

1436
01:06:45,784 --> 01:06:45,944
Speaker 3: You know.

1437
01:06:46,144 --> 01:06:49,704
Speaker 2: It was like, uh, we'll stop math today because you

1438
01:06:49,744 --> 01:06:51,304
Speaker 2: got to get up. You guys got to get out there.

1439
01:06:51,784 --> 01:06:52,903
Speaker 1: Nuclear disarmament here.

1440
01:06:52,984 --> 01:06:55,023
Speaker 3: I have some extra signs behind the desk if you'd

1441
01:06:55,024 --> 01:06:55,823
Speaker 3: like to, you know.

1442
01:06:57,704 --> 01:06:59,744
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was just.

1443
01:07:00,024 --> 01:07:06,544
Speaker 3: Part of it, and I don't know it was it

1444
01:07:06,584 --> 01:07:10,264
Speaker 3: was sort of a surprised to find art separate from

1445
01:07:10,304 --> 01:07:14,264
Speaker 3: activism actually, like upon leaving, you know, I didn't really know.

1446
01:07:15,264 --> 01:07:16,944
Speaker 3: I guess I had heard tell of it, but like

1447
01:07:16,984 --> 01:07:19,304
Speaker 3: I didn't really know how you participated, and I didn't

1448
01:07:19,344 --> 01:07:23,343
Speaker 3: know that it existed, you know, or the poetry slam Kid,

1449
01:07:23,384 --> 01:07:27,864
Speaker 3: and I was like whatever, Like you know, Mark Mamuti,

1450
01:07:27,944 --> 01:07:32,024
Speaker 3: Joseph one of my mentors, Like there there literally was

1451
01:07:32,064 --> 01:07:35,383
Speaker 3: no separation between like any word he says and like

1452
01:07:35,504 --> 01:07:37,984
Speaker 3: any way that his body moves, and like his connection

1453
01:07:38,104 --> 01:07:44,463
Speaker 3: to activism. So like I yeah, so it's just yeah,

1454
01:07:44,504 --> 01:07:49,224
Speaker 3: it's just kind of in there and it's not you know,

1455
01:07:50,824 --> 01:07:53,264
Speaker 3: it's not all great. There's you know, there are some

1456
01:07:53,344 --> 01:07:56,383
Speaker 3: ways that like Berkeley is really fucking annoying, man like

1457
01:07:57,704 --> 01:08:02,304
Speaker 3: Oakley can be really annoying. But also I would take

1458
01:08:02,344 --> 01:08:07,904
Speaker 3: it over, you know, I would take an awareness, even

1459
01:08:08,024 --> 01:08:11,064
Speaker 3: at at the like expense of just being able to

1460
01:08:11,184 --> 01:08:14,544
Speaker 3: have a nice dinner, you know, to the other side

1461
01:08:14,584 --> 01:08:16,704
Speaker 3: of it, to only ever having nice dinners with like

1462
01:08:16,784 --> 01:08:20,624
Speaker 3: not having at least some some awareness and desire to

1463
01:08:20,744 --> 01:08:24,704
Speaker 3: like help people that like things should not be as

1464
01:08:24,704 --> 01:08:27,344
Speaker 3: they are and how do I at at least some

1465
01:08:27,504 --> 01:08:29,464
Speaker 3: exploration of how do I fit into that and how

1466
01:08:29,464 --> 01:08:32,584
Speaker 3: can I affect that and how can we affect that

1467
01:08:32,624 --> 01:08:33,144
Speaker 3: for each other.

1468
01:08:33,704 --> 01:08:35,624
Speaker 2: There's also to me with the thing that when I

1469
01:08:35,664 --> 01:08:38,424
Speaker 2: think about what I gained by moving to the Bay

1470
01:08:38,464 --> 01:08:43,224
Speaker 2: Area and living in Oakland specifically, there's an effortless intersectionality

1471
01:08:43,264 --> 01:08:46,424
Speaker 2: that happens there where you just stumble across different communities

1472
01:08:46,504 --> 01:08:48,984
Speaker 2: and so then you leave and go Wait, you guys

1473
01:08:48,984 --> 01:08:51,384
Speaker 2: are freaked out about those things. I didn't know to

1474
01:08:51,424 --> 01:08:53,384
Speaker 2: be freaked out about those things, you know what I mean,

1475
01:08:53,464 --> 01:08:56,104
Speaker 2: Like I was just sort of around people saying those things,

1476
01:08:56,144 --> 01:08:59,264
Speaker 2: and you know, so you know that we sort of

1477
01:08:59,304 --> 01:09:01,544
Speaker 2: that even though it's funny, Oakland has this very hard

1478
01:09:02,144 --> 01:09:03,784
Speaker 2: you know, like you said, like you know, like don't

1479
01:09:03,864 --> 01:09:06,904
Speaker 2: oh you're from Oakland, huh. But also like Oakland has

1480
01:09:06,904 --> 01:09:10,464
Speaker 2: this like as long as you're cool, you know, yeah,

1481
01:09:10,544 --> 01:09:12,784
Speaker 2: and so down for the people, down for the cause,

1482
01:09:12,824 --> 01:09:14,664
Speaker 2: down for people struggling, down for the oppressed.

1483
01:09:14,984 --> 01:09:17,344
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and not a lot of.

1484
01:09:21,704 --> 01:09:23,944
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of pretense about what that looks

1485
01:09:24,024 --> 01:09:26,424
Speaker 3: like on some what kind of person that is, right,

1486
01:09:26,984 --> 01:09:33,784
Speaker 3: It's a diverse community in all senses, economically, ethnically, and

1487
01:09:33,944 --> 01:09:37,304
Speaker 3: just so like there's yeah, I feel like a lot

1488
01:09:37,304 --> 01:09:40,863
Speaker 3: of places you'll go and there's there's just an assumption

1489
01:09:40,944 --> 01:09:43,184
Speaker 3: that a person who cares about this is this kind

1490
01:09:43,224 --> 01:09:44,944
Speaker 3: of a person, or has this kind of a job,

1491
01:09:45,024 --> 01:09:46,544
Speaker 3: or does this really you know, and that's just not

1492
01:09:46,624 --> 01:09:50,544
Speaker 3: true there. Like you said, like the intersectionality is very common.

1493
01:09:50,584 --> 01:09:53,544
Speaker 3: It's almost like it just is how it is, you know,

1494
01:09:54,864 --> 01:09:56,584
Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the things when you

1495
01:09:56,624 --> 01:10:01,624
Speaker 3: talk about the reason we are so proud of it

1496
01:10:01,704 --> 01:10:07,864
Speaker 3: when we're from there is because we you know, you

1497
01:10:07,944 --> 01:10:10,264
Speaker 3: go away and you is the first time when you

1498
01:10:10,264 --> 01:10:14,184
Speaker 3: realize that not every it's like, oh, are you starting

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Speaker 3: to explain yourself all the time, and the explanation always

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01:10:16,864 --> 01:10:19,864
Speaker 3: ends up starting to look, I'm from I'm from Oakland.

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01:10:19,544 --> 01:10:24,024
Speaker 1: So and then either and you hope that that will

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01:10:24,064 --> 01:10:25,264
Speaker 1: be enough. Is that you know?

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01:10:25,344 --> 01:10:31,784
Speaker 3: So you yeah, yeah, it's a different way of seeing things.

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01:10:31,824 --> 01:10:34,424
Speaker 1: It just is it just it just is. I don't know.

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01:10:34,504 --> 01:10:35,904
Speaker 1: I didn't make it, but I grew up in it.

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01:10:36,424 --> 01:10:39,384
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and you're and you're making it. You're making it.

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01:10:39,704 --> 01:10:43,304
Speaker 2: My penultimate question, are there any Is there any life

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01:10:43,424 --> 01:10:45,704
Speaker 2: lesson or thing that is true in your life? Are

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01:10:45,744 --> 01:10:47,424
Speaker 2: things that regularly help you sort of get through the

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01:10:47,464 --> 01:10:49,704
Speaker 2: day or sort of process the world, or things that

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01:10:49,744 --> 01:10:52,784
Speaker 2: you're like, this thing is true, this thing I've learned,

1512
01:10:52,824 --> 01:10:54,744
Speaker 2: this thing my mom said, this thing I read one

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01:10:54,744 --> 01:10:57,464
Speaker 2: time really helps you sort of like a mantra or

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01:10:57,504 --> 01:11:00,304
Speaker 2: anything that's sort of like like that, You're like, this

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01:11:00,344 --> 01:11:01,064
Speaker 2: is one thing I know.

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01:11:01,344 --> 01:11:01,904
Speaker 1: I have a few.

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01:11:01,944 --> 01:11:05,944
Speaker 3: I have a couple of good mantras. And me and

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01:11:06,024 --> 01:11:09,224
Speaker 3: Ralphu's mantra for since we started making rap songs, Energy

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01:11:09,304 --> 01:11:10,624
Speaker 3: up expectations down.

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01:11:12,224 --> 01:11:16,464
Speaker 1: It and so yeah, energy up expectations down.

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01:11:16,704 --> 01:11:18,584
Speaker 3: When we were doing rap shows at you know, the

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01:11:18,624 --> 01:11:21,224
Speaker 3: Senior Citizens Center in Berkeley or whatever like that, this

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01:11:21,384 --> 01:11:23,704
Speaker 3: was the thing like you're gonna put if you this

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01:11:23,784 --> 01:11:25,704
Speaker 3: is what we're doing. This is what we're doing now,

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01:11:25,944 --> 01:11:27,904
Speaker 3: and I'll put all of myself into it, and I'm

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01:11:27,944 --> 01:11:30,264
Speaker 3: going to expect absolutely nothing in return.

1527
01:11:30,584 --> 01:11:32,984
Speaker 1: I'm doing this because this is what I do. And so.

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01:11:34,544 --> 01:11:37,464
Speaker 3: That has served me very well. I'm always pleasantly surprised

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01:11:38,544 --> 01:11:41,464
Speaker 3: when anything comes back. It's not the point. It's again

1530
01:11:41,544 --> 01:11:50,224
Speaker 3: like about being a process person. And my dad always

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01:11:50,264 --> 01:11:53,144
Speaker 3: told me that you love people for exactly who they

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01:11:53,144 --> 01:11:57,264
Speaker 3: are and uh not who you want them to be.

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01:11:57,344 --> 01:11:59,704
Speaker 3: Who love them for who they are, and when they

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01:11:59,744 --> 01:12:01,264
Speaker 3: tell you who they are, you get to listen to

1535
01:12:01,304 --> 01:12:02,904
Speaker 3: them and you get to hold them to that, you know.

1536
01:12:05,904 --> 01:12:09,584
Speaker 3: And that is a thing that has really served me,

1537
01:12:09,864 --> 01:12:10,064
Speaker 3: like that.

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01:12:10,624 --> 01:12:12,864
Speaker 1: That's who you are. If I love you, then I

1539
01:12:12,984 --> 01:12:13,464
Speaker 1: understand that.

1540
01:12:14,064 --> 01:12:18,104
Speaker 2: And I don't again, energy up expectations now exactly what

1541
01:12:18,144 --> 01:12:20,144
Speaker 2: to expect from you because you've told me who you are.

1542
01:12:20,304 --> 01:12:22,464
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's and it was never about what I

1543
01:12:22,504 --> 01:12:24,384
Speaker 3: get back from you necessarily, you know, It's.

1544
01:12:24,224 --> 01:12:26,424
Speaker 1: About I love this, this is who, this is youth,

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01:12:26,504 --> 01:12:26,744
Speaker 1: that's what.

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01:12:26,744 --> 01:12:30,384
Speaker 3: I love and uh yeah, so those those are probably

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01:12:30,424 --> 01:12:31,823
Speaker 3: the two best ones.

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01:12:31,904 --> 01:12:34,584
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great. We don't only get too so

1549
01:12:34,624 --> 01:12:39,024
Speaker 2: thank you for that. Uh last question, what cause would

1550
01:12:39,064 --> 01:12:40,024
Speaker 2: you like people to support?

1551
01:12:40,024 --> 01:12:42,224
Speaker 1: What nonprofit? What? What thing that's going on? Do you

1552
01:12:42,264 --> 01:12:43,184
Speaker 1: want people to know about?

1553
01:12:43,464 --> 01:12:46,944
Speaker 3: The organization I've been doing the most work with lately

1554
01:12:46,984 --> 01:12:51,384
Speaker 3: is one called cool Hand Series, which is run by

1555
01:12:51,384 --> 01:12:56,384
Speaker 3: a woman named Madison O'Leary, and it's the hype as

1556
01:12:56,384 --> 01:13:02,824
Speaker 3: we bring films and filmmakers into prisons and then have

1557
01:13:02,864 --> 01:13:06,064
Speaker 3: conversations with inmates after post screening.

1558
01:13:06,144 --> 01:13:08,944
Speaker 1: So it's allowing art to.

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01:13:09,144 --> 01:13:14,984
Speaker 3: Make its way into the prison system and for the artists,

1560
01:13:14,984 --> 01:13:17,024
Speaker 3: for the creator, also getting us to think more about

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01:13:17,064 --> 01:13:18,944
Speaker 3: where our stories come from and who there's who are

1562
01:13:19,104 --> 01:13:24,504
Speaker 3: stories are for and where the story are Okay, Yeah,

1563
01:13:24,744 --> 01:13:29,024
Speaker 3: it's a great organization. It's basically Maddie doing all of it.

1564
01:13:29,984 --> 01:13:31,704
Speaker 3: Rap and I have brought blind spoting into a number

1565
01:13:31,744 --> 01:13:34,584
Speaker 3: of prisons at this point. They're also doing playwriting and

1566
01:13:35,024 --> 01:13:42,744
Speaker 3: theater workshops in there, so producing plays and uh yeah,

1567
01:13:42,784 --> 01:13:45,784
Speaker 3: and she's brought so many great films and filmmakers in

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01:13:45,944 --> 01:13:48,904
Speaker 3: already a lot of work in California, a lot of

1569
01:13:48,904 --> 01:13:52,304
Speaker 3: New York. Also, we've done work in Utah, she's doing

1570
01:13:52,304 --> 01:13:54,664
Speaker 3: work in Texas. I haven't been there yet, but we're

1571
01:13:54,664 --> 01:13:57,624
Speaker 3: trying to figure that out. So yeah, it's it's a

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01:13:57,624 --> 01:14:00,544
Speaker 3: great org for like the artist friends of mine, like

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01:14:00,624 --> 01:14:03,304
Speaker 3: the naming names who are listening to this when when

1574
01:14:03,304 --> 01:14:04,704
Speaker 3: you get the college just say yes.

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01:14:04,624 --> 01:14:05,464
Speaker 1: It's so fun.

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01:14:05,944 --> 01:14:08,864
Speaker 3: It is actually like you know, it's it's a great,

1577
01:14:08,904 --> 01:14:11,664
Speaker 3: great time and a great and eye opening experience and

1578
01:14:12,304 --> 01:14:16,144
Speaker 3: you have to have some really beautiful conversations and meet

1579
01:14:16,184 --> 01:14:20,064
Speaker 3: really beautiful people, and uh, you know, it's a way

1580
01:14:20,224 --> 01:14:25,944
Speaker 3: to acknowledge the madness of our for profit prison system

1581
01:14:26,024 --> 01:14:29,984
Speaker 3: in a very like hands on way and then figure

1582
01:14:30,024 --> 01:14:33,624
Speaker 3: out at least start to spin a little bit on well,

1583
01:14:33,664 --> 01:14:37,544
Speaker 3: what what what can we do? This is how it

1584
01:14:37,664 --> 01:14:39,704
Speaker 3: is a how can we change it? And be like

1585
01:14:39,744 --> 01:14:42,144
Speaker 3: what can we do with it in this in its

1586
01:14:42,184 --> 01:14:45,024
Speaker 3: current state? And I think that's actually for a thing

1587
01:14:45,064 --> 01:14:48,104
Speaker 3: that is pretty simple at its course, just like come

1588
01:14:48,144 --> 01:14:50,344
Speaker 3: in to prison and do and talk to people who

1589
01:14:50,424 --> 01:14:53,184
Speaker 3: show art and talk to people who are interested in art.

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01:14:53,664 --> 01:14:55,784
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called the cool Hand series. Cool Hand series,

1591
01:14:55,824 --> 01:14:56,784
Speaker 1: and I haven't done that.

1592
01:14:56,704 --> 01:14:58,344
Speaker 2: But I have done so Saint Quentin, and I think

1593
01:14:58,344 --> 01:15:00,944
Speaker 2: people don't understand that you get afraid of, like going

1594
01:15:00,944 --> 01:15:02,984
Speaker 2: into a prison, but when you go to those places,

1595
01:15:03,024 --> 01:15:05,304
Speaker 2: you immediately feel like, who's afraid of?

1596
01:15:05,344 --> 01:15:07,424
Speaker 1: They're just so happy that I'm here.

1597
01:15:07,464 --> 01:15:09,344
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the just and there and there happen,

1598
01:15:09,384 --> 01:15:11,344
Speaker 2: and the things that I say that I know they'd

1599
01:15:11,344 --> 01:15:13,664
Speaker 2: ever have heard before, and they really appreciate it, you know.

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01:15:13,784 --> 01:15:16,864
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's always a beautiful experience. Everyone is

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01:15:16,864 --> 01:15:21,064
Speaker 3: thrilled that you're there. And also and I end up

1602
01:15:21,064 --> 01:15:22,824
Speaker 3: getting so much out of it, for sure, and every

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01:15:22,864 --> 01:15:24,544
Speaker 3: time I go so sure all right.

1604
01:15:25,384 --> 01:15:27,344
Speaker 1: Last of the podcast is called Who's with me? Are you

1605
01:15:27,384 --> 01:15:30,224
Speaker 1: with me? I'm with you all right always it'd.

1606
01:15:29,984 --> 01:15:34,864
Speaker 2: Be weird to find out not actually, thank you, finally asked.

1607
01:15:35,544 --> 01:15:36,584
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be here at all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Thanks very That was my conversation

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01:15:43,024 --> 01:15:43,863
Speaker 1: with David Diggs.

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01:15:44,024 --> 01:15:45,624
Speaker 2: Love talking to that dude, could talk to him for

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01:15:45,664 --> 01:15:47,384
Speaker 2: hours and hours, just sort of good person.

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01:15:47,824 --> 01:15:48,224
Speaker 1: As you heard.

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01:15:48,224 --> 01:15:50,104
Speaker 2: At the end, he shouted out the cool Hand Series,

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01:15:50,424 --> 01:15:53,224
Speaker 2: which is a curated series that brings filmmakers and their

1615
01:15:53,224 --> 01:15:57,304
Speaker 2: films into prisons so that the population there can see

1616
01:15:57,304 --> 01:15:59,304
Speaker 2: these films they might not otherwise see, and also they

1617
01:15:59,304 --> 01:16:02,504
Speaker 2: can engage enough conversations with these filmmakers. It's a great idea.

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01:16:02,704 --> 01:16:04,504
Speaker 2: I do a lot of work with San Quentin in

1619
01:16:04,544 --> 01:16:07,784
Speaker 2: my area, so I know the power of going into

1620
01:16:07,784 --> 01:16:10,064
Speaker 2: a prison is powerful for the people in the prison.

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01:16:10,104 --> 01:16:12,824
Speaker 2: It's also powerful for you. Thank you TV for being

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01:16:12,824 --> 01:16:16,504
Speaker 2: on the show today, Come back anytime. Also, thank you

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01:16:16,544 --> 01:16:18,464
Speaker 2: to Rabigren here in La where I am right now,

1624
01:16:18,504 --> 01:16:22,304
Speaker 2: who's producing this show, Rabagren Productions. Thank out to Pushkin

1625
01:16:22,344 --> 01:16:26,544
Speaker 2: Productions who is helping send this podcast around the world.

1626
01:16:26,864 --> 01:16:30,304
Speaker 2: And thank you to who else. Thank you to me.

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01:16:30,584 --> 01:16:32,744
Speaker 1: I showed up and I did it. I did my best.

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01:16:35,864 --> 01:16:38,424
Speaker 2: Special shout out to Skyline Studios as always, who lets

1629
01:16:38,464 --> 01:16:39,584
Speaker 2: me do things in Oakland.

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Speaker 1: Next week, our guest is Nava Mao.

1631
01:16:41,584 --> 01:16:44,624
Speaker 2: Nava Mao is famously known for being one of the

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01:16:44,624 --> 01:16:48,384
Speaker 2: stars of the Netflix series Baby Reindeer. Nav Mao is

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01:16:48,464 --> 01:16:51,104
Speaker 2: also a transgender actress, which I only mentioned because we

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01:16:51,104 --> 01:16:52,704
Speaker 2: talk about that a lot, and I want you to

1635
01:16:52,704 --> 01:16:54,304
Speaker 2: tune in for that episode because the last two weeks

1636
01:16:54,304 --> 01:16:56,823
Speaker 2: we've talked about the transgender community, but I should probably

1637
01:16:56,824 --> 01:16:59,504
Speaker 2: have somebody from the community to speak for themselves. So

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01:17:00,024 --> 01:17:03,984
Speaker 2: next week, Nava Mao, and also once again, please like

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1640
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1642
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Speaker 2: If you share this podcast with one or two people,

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1645
01:17:19,864 --> 01:17:20,904
Speaker 2: really get the word out there.

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01:17:21,064 --> 01:17:21,664
Speaker 1: Who's with me?

1647
01:17:21,784 --> 01:17:24,304
Speaker 2: Are you with me? I'm with you. If you're watching

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01:17:24,384 --> 01:17:26,744
Speaker 2: right now, I'm pretty sure I'm with you. I can't

1649
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Speaker 2: imagine that Dana White and Joe Rogan made it this far.