WEBVTT - Our favorite climate numbers #2 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:03.559 Welcome to Zero. 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:05.800 I'm Oscar Boyd and I'm Christine Driscol. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.600 We're the producers on zero and we are joined as 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.200 always by our eminent host at Sha Rati. Actually, welcome 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.560 back to London. You've been in Singapore, Australia and India 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.400 visiting and interviewing all sorts of interesting people working in climate. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:18.960 How were your travels? 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:24.319 Oh, really good, energizing, exhausting, surprising, all the things that 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:26.119 good travel is supposed to be. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:27.520 What was the best thing you saw? 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:29.960 I mean, that's an easy one, because I went to 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.599 the Great Barrier Reef. It's very hard to beat a 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.360 world wonder, which I'd been looking forward to see. The 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.960 other wonder is Singapore. It's a man made wonder and 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.120 that was crazy fun too. I mean, it's the most 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.560 densely populated country in the world, one hundred percent urban, 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.600 and yet it's also a really good place to visit. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:57.240 Everything works, cooling is on all the time. We went 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.800 down and saw some cooling projects, including a district cauling 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.720 project which was very interesting. Workers in the basement that 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:10.200 had huge vats of ice cool using renewable electricity when 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.200 it's available. But yeah, do wonders of the world. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.360 That's great. So a couple of months ago we introduced 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.760 a new format on Zero, which is our numbers based 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.160 climate guessing game. Because of its wild popularity last time, 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.000 today the game is getting a second outing, and so 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.839 just to quickly recap if this is your first time 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.920 or you've been wowed by Singapore and everything's left your mind. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.760 There are a lot of climate numbers out there and 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.000 they don't make it onto a full episode of Zero, 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.280 but they do paint a good picture of where we're going, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.520 and it is a shame to ignore them. So the 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.559 purpose of this game is to highlight our. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.800 Favorites exactly and to recap. The rules as well. They're 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:50.920 very simple. Each one of us will present a number 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.760 and then the other two have to figure out what 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:57.000 that number represents. Each person can ask three questions, You 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.200 can ask for clues if you get stuck, and then 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:00.280 you have to guess. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:01.960 Akshat Do you remember how to play? 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:03.480 Yeah? It's easy enough. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.480 As always, I play games only if I have a 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.280 chance to win a prize, and I was a little 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.720 disappointed last time around because you guys gave me a 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.000 carbon credit. Not interested in one of those So what's 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:15.760 the prize this time? 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.680 Hey, what's wrong with the carbon credit? 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.200 Yeah, you should go back and listen to the episode 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.760 of Mark Trexler to understand why carbon credits don't work. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.720 But yes, cool, So this time the prize is much 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.040 more special, much more real in many ways, and the 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.240 prize you'll be delighted to know, actually is a copy 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.320 of a new book being published on October the twelfth, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.520 called Climate Capitalism. Actually, would you like to explain the 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:42.280 price of it? 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.560 Well, I would like to lose it, so one if 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.720 you get who wins it, then the pressure's on. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.760 So I mean i'll give a brief into but actually 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.000 you should use this opportunity to promote your new book 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.280 as well. It's called Climate Capitalism. It's out October twelve. 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.600 I've read most of the first few chapters. I haven't 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.560 finished it yet, but it's great. It's brilliant. It's a 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.639 really really fun read, and I would recommend anyone who 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.040 is listening to go out and pre order the book. Actually, 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.440 do you want to give it a brief plug as well? 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.640 Yes, it's a book about climate solutions, So anybody listening 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.400 to Zero the podcast about climate solutions will not be 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.280 surprised by it, but I would hope the surprising stories 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.440 in it will interest you. Some of them, or at 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.080 least some of the people behind those stories have featured 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.120 on this podcast, But there is a lot more in there. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.560 Writing a book is very different from any other kind 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.960 of journalism I've done so far, and it also gave 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.160 me an opportunity to sort of lay out a case 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.960 for where we are and correct some of the misperceptions 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.440 around whether we are doing enough on reducing emissions. So 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.840 I'm really excited for what people think about it. Really 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.800 nice reviews are coming through, so I feel less nervous 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.440 now because some people have read it and they've said, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:52.200 it's all. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.200 Right, great review for our prize. 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.000 It's all right, it's all right. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.600 Okay. So to sum that up, akshot, you are ready 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:00.960 to compete for your own book? 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:14.440 Correct? Shall we play? Whose number is it? Anyway? Christine? 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:16.080 Would you like to go first this time? 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:22.200 Yes, I am ready. My number is fifty fifty. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.200 That's a small number. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:26.839 Is it a small number? 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.280 Well again, if you're doing it like last time, if 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.560 it's going to be a percentage, I guess we need 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:32.040 the unit. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.400 You have a really good memory. It is a percentage, 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.760 and I'll throw it in a little extra hint. It's 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:43.360 a percentage reduction. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.719 So it cannot be the twenty thirty target, because that 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.839 twenty thirty target is forty three percent reduction over twenty 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:51.680 nineteen levels. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.520 Yeah, that's not it. Now, I haven't said what we're reducing, 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:56.760 but you are on the correct path. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.520 Can I try and define the geographic area little bit? 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.479 Is it a reduction that's happened in the USA? 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:04.440 Yes, it is. 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:09.400 Does it have anything to do with electricity generation? No? 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:10.080 Not directly. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.599 Actually, you look like you're bubbling with questions slash deep 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:14.000 in thought. 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.720 I'm actually confused because I don't know what it is. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.000 If it's not electricity, The closest we come to it 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.680 is the US goal, which Joe Edden said for a 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.880 fifty percent reduction in emissions by. 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.200 I've got an idea. Is it something that is to 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.760 do with land use change? No? Okay, that's my idea. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.000 Gone, Okay, I have another hint. I want you to 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.719 fill in the blank. If I say Microsoft, what's the 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:40.919 first word that comes to mind? 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.440 Windows XP dang. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.760 I was going to say office because it's about working 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.000 in an office and the effect that that has on 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:50.839 your emissions. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.680 Oh okay, I think I know roughly what this is. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.880 It's how much your emissions reduced by or how much 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.080 emissions have been reduced by people working from home. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.160 Yes, I think I'm going to I want to give 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:02.080 this point to Oscar. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.119 I'm one step closer to finishing at chat sport. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:11.080 So basically, there's a big headline recently about a study 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:15.120 of office workers and remote workers, and the ultimate finding 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.880 was if you work from home, the emissions savings could 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.080 be as much as fifty percent. And that's like the 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.560 big headline because everyone's like, who, let's keep working from home. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.040 I looked at the study. There's a lot of really 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.240 great details in it. I encourage other people to look 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.240 at the study. But there are a lot of neat 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.000 things that are not in the headline, and I want 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.279 to talk about that. So this was a study of 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:41.000 Microsoft office workers in the US. I could not get 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.520 the researcher to tell me exactly how many people that was, 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:48.560 but it's at least twenty thousand. So Microsoft has one 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.839 hundred and twenty thousand people working in the US. Anyway, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.599 This professor of energy systems engineering at Cornell doctor Fon 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.520 Sheiu and other colleagues did the study tracking Microsoft workers 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.039 in the US, and the thing that's not in the 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.000 headline that I think is so interesting is that you 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.520 have to be working from home more than one day 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.600 a week in order to get this benefit. If you 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.880 just work from home one day a week, it doesn't 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:12.760 really do very much. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.040 Why is that It has to do with. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.160 The amount of trips that a person who is working 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.920 from home does on their one day that they're working 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.040 from home, So it's like they're driving more essentially, And 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.320 that goes back to like the source of emissions if 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.800 you're working in the office is commuting and the energy 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.960 use of the building. And I work from home, so 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.440 sometimes I feel guilty about it, like, oh, I'm sitting 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.840 here with the electricity on and like the computer and 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.440 the router, and there's all these empty office buildings that 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.440 are just running really great air conditioning and I'm not there. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.240 And it turns out that because I'm working from home 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.080 more than one day a week, I actually am kind 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.360 of in the clear. I'm doing something marginally good. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.320 Do Microsoft employees are the one study? Are they largely 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.560 driving to work? Because I'd be interested know whether it's 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.680 the same effect in say London, where it's very easy 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.600 to cycle or take the bus or take the tube 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.760 or whatever kind of form of public transport you want 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.480 to get to work and you're not driving so much. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.760 Yeah, it's a lot of driving. And in the study too, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:20.160 they make the point that you could further reduce your 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.880 emissions as a worker if you drive an EV But 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.040 then also only really if you're in the Pacific Northwest, 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.960 where there's a lot more renewable energy. If you're in 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.080 the South or of the mid Atlantic there's so much 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.080 coal generation that it's negligible. There's not a lot of 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.880 great examples of Americans commuting by train or bike, so 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.240 it's really a car centric study. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.760 So all the carbon intensive countries really should be working 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.959 from home. You know, if you're living in Saudi Arabia, don't. 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:49.200 Go to Wick. 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.400 Yeah. Basically, yeah, work from home two days a week 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.360 at least. And if you really want your employees to 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.120 come back to the office, make sure that you're building 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.240 is super energy efficient, and then you'll have a really 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.360 strong case that it's better on a lot of levels. 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:06.559 But everyone who's working from home should not feel guilty 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:11.400 about it. Great, Akshat, you talked about district cooling. I 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.920 do you want to learn more about that because the 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.720 cooling is such a big part of people's energy use, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.880 whether you're in the offices or at home. I think 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:21.160 that you should go next. 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.520 Okay. My number is two hundred and one million. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.920 Okay, I think this is the number of electric vehicles 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.240 that have been sold in a certain timescale. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.240 All right, you guys know me it is electric vehicles. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.840 But well, don Christine, timescale is forever. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.480 It's time scills forever. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.240 As in from the beginning of time till now. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.080 Oh, okay. Is it something to do with the batteries 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:53.559 inside the electric vehicles? 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.040 I know it is about the vehicles themselves. 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.440 It's not the number of miles that have been traveled. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.839 No, you've not done something annoying like times dip by 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.840 the number of tires that electric vehicles have. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.960 No, the vehicles themselves. Two hundred and one million. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.640 Is it global or is it one specific country? For example, China? 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.760 One country? Is it China? Yes? Good? 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:21.600 All right, time to guess I. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.440 Think Oscars pursing his lips with a question. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.360 Yeah, is it something to do with the number of 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.880 people who have ridden in an electric vehicle in China 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:31.720 in all time. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:37.280 No, Okay, my final guess is I don't think this 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.079 is the right scale for China, but I will guess 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.240 it's the number of electric vehicles sold in China to date. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:47.319 You're closed, but still wrong. It is the number of 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.040 two wheeler electric vehicles. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.520 That I told it was something I'm annoying to do 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.520 with wheels, I said it, No. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.120 It's not a number of wheels. It's still number of wheels. 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.720 So it's the number of electric two wheelers that are 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.200 in the fleet in China as of twenty to twenty two. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.280 So it's four hundred and twenty million wheels. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:11.600 Four hundred and two million wheels. 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:12.600 Sorry fortune, two million wheels. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:18.520 Yeah, electric two wheelers include bicycles, motorbikes. It's still a 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:19.200 motorbike if. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.520 It's I guess it is, yes, And most of it 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.360 is actually more peds rather than electric bikes. And it's 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.240 a number that was just super shocking to me. You know, 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.720 I went to China in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:37.200 and I just saw electric two wheelers everywhere. But you know, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.960 the scale of China is so huge that even when 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.560 you see them everywhere, You're still not like sure how 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.520 many they might be. And so when I first came 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.040 across the number, I was shocked, and it is shocking, 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.720 especially when you compare it to other countries. So the 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.360 next country in the rank that has electric two wheelers 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:01.920 is India, no surprises, but another guess how much lower 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.360 is that number? I'm going to say tenth, so twenty million? 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.000 Wait, but I want to know does India manufacture? Yes, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.800 it does, is electric? Okay, I'm going to stick with 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.880 my theme of today and just do its fifty percent lower. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.040 The number of electric two wheelers in India were one 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.280 point five million last year in twenty twenty two. The 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.200 entire fleet, it's one one hundred, one one hundred, So 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.400 China is like way ahead on this game. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.520 Has that actually displaced the need for fossil fuel set? 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.720 So that's the other surprising thing because of the sheer 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.160 number of electric two wheelers. It's electric two wheelers and 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.600 three wheelers combined that displace four times as much oil 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:48.800 demand as all electric passenger cars sold globally. Wow, so 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.440 your two and three wheeler electric vehicles are displacing about 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.720 a million barrels of oil demand per day, whereas passenger 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.480 cars in total are just placing about quarter of a 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.000 million barrels of oil demand per day, and for contacts, 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.400 we consume about one hundred million barrels of oil every day. 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.439 Wow, So electric two and three wheelers have displaced one 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.080 percent of global oil demand. 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.199 Indeed, that's that's pretty good for two wheels. Yeah. 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.880 Is that just because they're mostly being used in highly dense, 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.640 highly urban settings and getting rid of that last short 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.280 distance travel that people would maybe use cars for. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.760 Maybe, But it's also that countries like India and China 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.920 and Southeast Asia, two wheelers are the way to get 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.080 around because they're cheaper to buy. They are much more 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.440 efficient than a passenger car because you don't have to 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.640 carry all that weight along just to sit in it, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.920 and so they make for the mode of transport of 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.480 choice because it's cheap and you can get around it 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.319 and you know, to be fair to India, yes, it's 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.640 one hundred right now, but the rate of growth in 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.360 India that bloomergeni f predicts is massive. So it's one 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.280 point five million last year, it'll be two point five 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.520 million this year, it'll be three point five million next year. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.359 And that way it just goes up because the economic 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.559 case for electric two wheelers also has set in in India, 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.960 and on my trip this time around, I saw so 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:14.800 many of them. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.200 The thing that I think would also be really interesting 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.480 with that is how much it changes air pollution. Yeah, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.560 you do notice it when you're going around Delhi, the 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.320 fact there are so many polluting vehicles on the streets, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.600 and if you can change them all for evs, which 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.720 have very little pollution, then that's going to have a 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:29.560 huge effectually. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.160 Yeah, totally. It's not uncommon for petrol power two wheelers 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.520 to have this huge amount of smoke coming out. Yes, 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.560 they are more fuel efficient relative to a car, but 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.360 they do produce higher air pollution just because their engines 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.000 are small and they can't put in all the things 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.080 that a car can do to be able to put 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:48.800 out fewer particulate matter pollution. 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.160 That's another great number. Does anyone win a point? Oh? 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.560 I think Christine gets half a point because she's very 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:55.120 very good. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.320 Half a point. I was so close. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.360 Hey, I got that thing about the wheels though. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.080 We're going to take a quick break while you ponder 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.640 the existence of two wheeled vehicles. And when we get 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:25.800 back more numbers. Okay, Oscar, it is your turn to 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:26.840 share a number. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.840 My number is two thousand and twenty four. 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.760 Well that sounds like the year. But if it's not 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.320 the year, then I mean it'll be too obvious if it's. 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:44.200 The year, So just a year that would be so 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:45.360 I want. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.040 To say, I think, am I getting number shaded? It's 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:49.920 very it's this is the thing we do when I share. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.360 I don't know, choosing a year it feels it's a 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.000 little bit punk. I guess it's a little bit. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.120 I'll take it. It is a year. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.840 Well, a lot of things that happened next year. India 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:09.200 goes to election next year. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:10.080 It's not that. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:18.320 Is this a year that something is going to be achieved? 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:19.120 Yes? 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.040 Oh damn, I should ask that differently. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.920 Oh well, yeah, something I think they will very likely 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:25.480 be achieved. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.200 Can I rephrase that? I want to know if something 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.320 is starting to be built in twenty twenty four. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.320 No, nothing is starting to be built. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:38.160 Is it to do with protection of a certain thing 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.240 like a forest or an ocean or a you know, 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.440 like a terrestrial thing or animals? 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:44.400 Or it is not? 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.680 Is it? The bike lanes from your last episode are 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:48.560 finally being built. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.560 No, it has nothing to do with bicycles, which is 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:54.720 one of my big clues. 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.960 Yeah, okay, geographical proximity. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.400 Give us a hint. It is global. Oh my god, is. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.800 There a climate gold that may be achieved next year? 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:07.560 A global one. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:09.160 I'm really stumped. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.879 I'm going to give you another hint that it's to 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.199 do with our favorite energy association. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.040 IA predict something will happen in twenty twenty four. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:20.760 Very good. Now what's the thing? 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:21.719 Oh? 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:23.840 I got it, but I think I'm wrong, But maybe 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:28.600 I'm correct, which is all fossil fuel demand, oil gas, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:30.880 and coal will peak in twenty twenty four. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.600 You're along the right lines, but think less fossil fuel, 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.959 more renewable final gases. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.840 Please, yeah, seriously, just bear in. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.119 Mind, Christine. If you get this, then you get the book. 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.280 I know I'm going to guess that this has something 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.040 to do with the like, let's just say renewables will 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:54.080 have become present in every country on Earth's electricity generation 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.040 of at least two percent. 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:00.480 Nice guess, but no, okay, is it a good No 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.480 more hints, no more, henty. It will be a record, 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.680 but it's not being framed in terms of records. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.680 Okay, I'm going with the wild guest because I don't 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:13.159 know the answer, which is that renewable electricity, specifically solar, 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.359 will be the cheapest form of electricity everywhere in the world. 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:19.960 That might also be true. I'm not going to deny it, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.439 but it's not the figure I'm talking about. So twenty 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.840 twenty four is the year that the International Energy Agency 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.639 predicts that renewables could overtake coal as the world's largest 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:30.600 source of electricity. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:35.439 Whoa is shaking his fist. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.800 I think I knew that, it just didn't hit me. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:40.159 Hey that's cool. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.000 Yeah, that's cool. And as a follow up from that, 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.080 so the figure I just gave is for all renewables, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.399 which includes hydro which is the currently the largest solar 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.520 wind both on you or not sure, but by twenty 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.440 twenty seven, they think solar alone will be bigger than coal. 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:57.280 Wow. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.199 And why I really liked this figure is that it 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.360 builds upon their own predictions and so all the way 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.040 back in December of twenty twenty two, about nine ten 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.720 months ago, the IA released its Renewabals twenty twenty two report, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.960 which estimated that globally, renewables might overtake coal maybe in 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.800 early twenty twenty five, but the latest report, which came 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.760 out in July, says that it could be as early 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.000 as twenty twenty four. It's caveatd with as long as 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:24.359 weather conditions are favorable, that renewables as a whole should 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:24.960 overtake coal. 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.639 And that answers one question, which is this is about 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.520 generation of renewable electricity and not just the capacity. I 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.560 should also correct myself, which is yes, the IEA did 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.119 say something about peaking of oil, coal and gas demand, 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:43.520 but it said all of those will peak before twenty thirty. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.520 I mean that's also huge. What's crazy is when you 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.720 look at these figures. So in twenty fourteen, all renewable 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.920 energy put together made about five thousand terrible hours in 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.639 a year, and at that point so twenty fourteen, coal 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.120 was about ten thousand terrible hours globally, and coal has 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.280 remained relatively insistent. It's kind of fluctuated a little bit, 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.480 but renewables in that ten yure period have doubled from 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.240 five thousand terrible hours to almost ten thousand terrible hours. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.560 And yeah, I mean it's exciting because, as I said, 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.679 it builds upon the IA. It's own forecasts, and basically 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.320 they've just taken in all the new data from governments 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.119 like China, the EU, the US, India who are just 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.800 pumping more and more money and changing their policies to 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.080