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Speaker 1: Here we go. It's hour too, Greg Cosell. In a

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Speaker 1: may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making

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Speaker 1: us part of your day. Jmac to you. Like I

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Speaker 1: watched PFF, I've disagreed through the years on PFF, but

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Speaker 1: I think by and large, Chris COLLINSWITHT Company's pretty accurate.

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Speaker 1: So it's funny. Aaron Rodgers. Right now, the Vikings play

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Speaker 1: the Steelers in Dublin. We both like the Vikings in

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Speaker 1: this game. Carson Wentz, according to PFF, is kind of

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Speaker 1: middle of the pack grade. Aaron's the second lowest quoted quarterback,

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Speaker 1: below Spencer Ratler, who's never I don't think he's ever

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Speaker 1: won an NFL start. But it's funny. I watched Aaron,

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Speaker 1: I would have never guessed that he was that lowly

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Speaker 1: grated he's made. You know, he still has the back

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Speaker 1: shoulder stuff. I thought he got a bad interception, he

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Speaker 1: got a bad break from a teammate that made a

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Speaker 1: mistake against Seattle that wasn't his fault. I have not

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Speaker 1: when I watched almost every snap this year, I would

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Speaker 1: never guess he's the second lowest credited quarterback. I would

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Speaker 1: think middle of the pack, and he's he's strictly a

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Speaker 1: pocket quarterback right now. But it's interesting and and i'm

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Speaker 1: I'm this is not a criticism, but I think Aaron

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Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz right now are fairly similar past their primes,

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Speaker 1: had some injuries, both more than capable arms. Wenz doesn't

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Speaker 1: move like he used to. He's a pocket guy. Aaron

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Speaker 1: doesn't move like he used to. He's a pocket guy.

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Speaker 1: But PFF has one guy at the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: wrong and the other guy. It's pretty interesting. Do you

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Speaker 1: buy it, PFF? Do you do you trust their numbers ranking? Yes?

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Speaker 2: You know, any like.

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Speaker 4: Outside of sports, you take a little of info from PFF.

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Speaker 4: You take a little info from here. EPA success, right,

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Speaker 4: you put all of it together. You don't just look

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Speaker 4: at PFF and say, Aaron Rodgers stinks, but he's not

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Speaker 4: passing the eye test, Colin.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real.

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Speaker 4: You know, he looked okay against that Jets team, but

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Speaker 4: they've proven to be like a kind of a mid

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Speaker 4: So I know, I haven't really seen it the eye test,

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Speaker 1: What's interesting about this game is Aaron. There were rumors

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Speaker 1: that the Vikings Kevin O'Connell, the head coach, there were

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Speaker 1: rumors they were in on Aaron Rodgers that leaked out.

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Speaker 1: Aaron denied it. Aaron did clarify it yesterday when asked

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Speaker 1: about the team he's facing this weekend on the Vikings.

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Speaker 5: I'll just reiterate that Kevin and I have been friends

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Speaker 5: since two thousand and eight. We used to work out

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Speaker 5: San Diego, So I've known him forever. We've been friends forever,

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Speaker 5: and we keep in touch with one of the guys

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Speaker 5: that keep in touch with Thanks never progressed, you know,

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Speaker 5: farther than catchup conversations. I'll just leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Just leave it at that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what that means, but I'll leave it at that, and

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Speaker 1: we'll start it. Not leave it with Greg Cosel forty

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Speaker 1: six years NFL film. We got a lot of ground

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Speaker 1: last week, when I started to compliment Caleb Williams, I

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Speaker 1: He hit open receivers. Dallas is a mess. Was there

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Speaker 6: Well, calin the way I answer that is the litmus

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Speaker 1: So there was a discussion last week. It was a

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Speaker 1: And I said in my and I said, as the

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Speaker 6: He tends to rush his throws and can become a

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Speaker 6: He doesn't move like he used to, so he's essentially

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Speaker 1: So one of the great mysteries to me in the

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Speaker 6: Well, it's funny you say that because I've had coaches

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Speaker 6: as a thrower. Brown is a really tough cover outside

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Speaker 6: their offense got started with a thirty eight yard fade

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Speaker 1: Well, I love Justin Herbert out of college. I loved

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Speaker 1: it does feel like he's leading the way in not

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Speaker 1: like they're a bit more aggressive down the field. What

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Speaker 6: Well, I guess maybe they've locked Greg Roman in a

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Speaker 6: through three weeks. I mean they are dropping back and

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Speaker 6: got to be more than willing and feel very comfortable

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Speaker 6: If it's first and ten and they're gonna give me

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Speaker 6: And I think Herbert's got that nice balance right now,

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Speaker 7: But through three games they are a passing offense.

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Speaker 1: So we watched the Ravens kind of shockingly get pushed

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Speaker 1: and I said, listen, if you're trying to get through

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Speaker 1: make a move on the trade deadline now. Kyle Hamilton, Hamilton,

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Speaker 1: rokwand Smith. They've got some good players. They spend their

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Speaker 1: money on defense. But when you're was it a bad

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Speaker 1: they just have some realities with personnel?

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Speaker 6: Well, in this given game, Matta Bouquet was out and

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Speaker 6: other is Tate Radledge, a rookie from Georgia. So they

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Speaker 6: moved those guys throughout the game. But it's funny. I'm

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Speaker 6: watching the first on tape. I'm talking about the watch

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Speaker 6: first quarter and a half, and I'm thinking, where's this

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Speaker 6: big run game? Because they actually stopped him for a

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Speaker 6: quarter and a half and then everything changed. But they

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Speaker 6: and they are really struggling with the run game, and

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Speaker 6: sometimes you're good players Colin have bad games. Rokwan Smith

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Speaker 7: He's a really good player. He just did not have

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a combination, But think of it this way,

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Speaker 6: Most quarterbacks are ball distributors and executors of an offense.

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Speaker 6: And right now, with the talent they have, they have

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Speaker 7: So what is Jones doing exceptionally.

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Speaker 7: That's what you want your quarterback to do.

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Speaker 6: Now, you and I both know we have no idea

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so my saw story this week is CJ. Stroud

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's much around him offensively. But what

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Speaker 6: No, well, it's funny you say that because it's rookie

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Speaker 6: But again it becomes a difficult balancing at Colin because

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Speaker 7: You can't say that.

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Speaker 6: Are there some plays where the old line just gives

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Speaker 6: And right now their passing game is very inconsistent, very

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's upstairs. You lose confidence, you know, you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but at some point you got to play. I mean,

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Speaker 1: So I went back and watched the Packers Browns game

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Speaker 6: They have a five man rotation at d end. Of course,

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Speaker 6: Garrett plays more snaps than anybody else, but they have

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Speaker 6: Malik Collins is one of those guys that is seemingly

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Speaker 6: I mean, Denzel Ward is one of the best, probably

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Speaker 7: And you know in this league, when I say confused, all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now a topic I'm gonna like. It took

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Speaker 1: a Sam Darnold fan. I always felt that he was too.

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Speaker 6: Well, you're starting to see the same thing we saw

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Speaker 7: So now you're seeing more under center, more.

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Speaker 6: Play action, play action boot things that make Donald feel

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Speaker 7: As you said, he is very, very talented.

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Speaker 6: And if we can go to our big play, because

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Speaker 6: And this is play action boot left and this was

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Speaker 7: And Donald can make these throws. He can make any throw.

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Speaker 6: So right now you're going to see Donald and again

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Speaker 6: here and more and more teams do this, but it's

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Speaker 6: And remember Reid, he's the one who has to play

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Speaker 7: So you can really see it clearly from this angle.

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Speaker 6: This is beautiful play design down in the high red

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Speaker 7: And Donald's in a really good situation.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, they have a very good defense

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just we were talking today about the athletic

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Speaker 6: They don't and they've got Yeah, and the defensively, Kylin,

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Speaker 1: Great, Greg Cosel as always NFL films forty six years.

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Speaker 1: Great talking to you on a Thursday, Greg.

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Speaker 7: Thanks, Colin, always appreciate it. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so much of this league is upstairs. But

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Speaker 1: sixth round. Guys who can play. They got a running

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Speaker 1: back from Miami in the seventh round. He hadn't played

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Speaker 1: a ton yet, but I watched him in College Martinez

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Speaker 1: and it was like he averaged four and a half

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Speaker 1: yard every time I watched Miami. He was a good player.

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Speaker 1: It's like, how is he available in the seventh round?

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Speaker 1: So you know what, the guys upstairs have a huge

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Speaker 1: influence in this league.

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Speaker 1: Buckeye started as a ten point favorite. It's come down.

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Speaker 1: There are some moneyline Husky betters. I'm not one of them,

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Speaker 1: but Jed Fish, coach of Washington, has got himself remember

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. He's got a very young quarterback. It is

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Speaker 1: a one of the loudest stadiums, and the three loudest

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Speaker 1: stadiums I've ever been in are Gainesville, Florida, Otson and

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Speaker 1: Husky Stadium. It is loud and Washington can score, so

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Speaker 1: that's a tough lift for Ohio State. I'll take the

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Speaker 1: Buckeyes by about a touchdown. Oregon goes to Penn State.

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Speaker 1: I like Oregon in that spot. I Oregon wins these

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Speaker 1: big games, and I frankly I think Dante more It

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Speaker 1: could be the most underratted player in the country. The

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Speaker 1: Oregon quarterback is a stud. Also, I like USC now.

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Speaker 1: Illinois is a heavy blitz man de a man defense,

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Speaker 1: but they're banged up in the secondary. That game I

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Speaker 1: think will be close early because it's an early start

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Speaker 1: time for USC. It's a weird early start time where

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Speaker 1: it starts at eleven, which is nine am Los Angeles time.

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Speaker 1: So I think USC is gonna look ugly in the

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Speaker 1: first half and really struggle and pull away. But it

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Speaker 1: is a great weekend. I'll take USC by about ten.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State by a touchdown. I think old missus overrated.

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Speaker 1: LSU wins on the road. I'll take A and M close.

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Speaker 1: Indiana close, Oregon close. One of us likes Bama.

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Speaker 5: It's not me.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Georgia. This is what they're prone to do.

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Speaker 1: Win at home by a touchdown or more.

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Speaker 3: It is a late man. I can just you hyping

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Speaker 3: up these guys. The hyperbole.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not even October and you're talking about

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Speaker 4: like DoD T Moore and then the Washington quarterback, Like,

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Speaker 4: I love the hype. And one of the guys just

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Speaker 4: sent me a video of Penn State the white out.

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Speaker 4: How do you leave Beaver Stadium off your list of

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Speaker 4: loudest area? Have you?

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Speaker 1: Just? Well, I've only been there one time. Again, Auson's

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Speaker 1: not big, but it's built into the ground. Watson's insanely loud.

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Speaker 1: It used to be louder before it got a little

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Speaker 1: upscale and bougie. The crowd used to be a little

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Speaker 1: roudier and more lubricated. But it's still incredibly loud. Husky

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Speaker 1: Stadium is it shakes. Husky Stadium, It like one side

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Speaker 1: of the stadium shakes. It's wild.

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Speaker 3: The Gainesville listen, I've been, you know, I almost went

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Speaker 3: to college here. I got accepted.

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Speaker 1: Kenville is about that loud. No, it's about the structure.

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Speaker 1: It's built straight up, so it's hard that the the

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Speaker 1: like Michigan's huge, but the noise escapes Gainesville. It's built

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Speaker 1: straight up and so the noise reverberates back and forth.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just telling you I've been on sidelines at

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Speaker 1: most of the big stadiums.

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Speaker 4: And it's in obviously listen that tall rouge where LU

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Speaker 4: like it registered as an earthquake.

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Speaker 3: You know, by the way subplot for LSU.

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Speaker 4: O Miss, the star linebacker for LSU is now dating

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Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin's daughter and posted it on Instagram and the

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Speaker 4: SEC is like going crazy thinking Lane Kiffin's trying to

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Speaker 4: play mind games. Listen, man, Yeah, he's using his daughter

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Speaker 4: to play mine games with Brian Kelly.

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Speaker 3: Listen, this is a great weekend for football.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's Saturday is going to be absolutely bonkers. Here's

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Speaker 1: j Mack with the news.

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Speaker 3: On the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 4: Right, let's bust right into it. Jaden Daniels is he

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Speaker 4: going to play or not? Colin dan quinn is listing

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Speaker 4: him as day to day. However, Jaden Daniels talked to

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Speaker 4: reporters yesterday and said whether he plays or not will

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Speaker 4: be up to the doctors. Now that that is interesting wording.

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Speaker 4: He said he wants to play, but it's up to

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Speaker 4: the doctors. To me is probably why the line you

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Speaker 4: see it come down it was three, it's.

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Speaker 1: Not one and a half.

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Speaker 4: I think that's saying, hey, this is gonna be another

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Speaker 4: Mariota game.

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Speaker 3: And just for the record, Atlanta is at home. They

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Speaker 3: do have good edg rushers.

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Speaker 1: Gross. I will say this, the question about Jaden Daniels

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Speaker 1: coming out of college was durability. He got dinged up

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Speaker 1: last year, He's dinged up this year. It's like Rock Purty.

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Speaker 1: It's not the end of the world, but it should

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Speaker 1: be noted. You know, these players that get dinged up early,

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Speaker 1: like Joe Burrow and Brock Purty get dinged up often.

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Speaker 3: You're not calling him Glass Joe Burrow, No, no.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying this was the primary concern.

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Speaker 1: It's like Caleb Williams when he came to the Bears.

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Speaker 1: The primary was concern was he does hero ball, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't play well with instructure, and then you see, oh wait,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily play well in structure. I'm always worried

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Speaker 1: in the NFL when my number one concern with you

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Speaker 1: is realized your first couple of years in the league.

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Speaker 1: For instance, it was t Bow. I never was a

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Speaker 1: te Bow guy, but it was like people said, he's

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Speaker 1: got a slow, slow delivery, and you saw very early

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it takes a while. To get cranked up.

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Speaker 1: So I would just say when you see a problem

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Speaker 1: in college, Anthony Richardson had accuracy issues in college, You're like,

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Speaker 1: he hadn't played the position a lot, he didn't never

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Speaker 1: feel for it. He misses easy stuff. Well, his first

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Speaker 1: fifteen stars or twelve stars, you're like, oh, he can't

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Speaker 1: hit the easy stuff. That's a problem. So Jden's amazing.

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Speaker 1: But now this is the second time he's been banged up.

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Speaker 1: He's played a year in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: So we talk a lot about team building, right, and

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Speaker 4: you know the Mexican soccer team we have you need

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Speaker 4: a number ten, which is like a messy Diego Maradona,

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Speaker 4: and we had one last year on our team and

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Speaker 4: then we sold him. Without him, we're struggling. Well, you

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Speaker 4: know what in the NFL column, it is the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: If you do not protect your investment, he's going to

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Speaker 4: get dinged up. Now, Washington did that right with Laramie Tunsseels.

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Speaker 4: They went out and got him and he's still banged up.

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Speaker 7: This is not great.

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Speaker 4: I forgot that he was injured last year. You're right,

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Speaker 4: you brought that up. So that's now two seasons.

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Speaker 3: You know, again. I don't want to go back to

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady, but like he was helping for like fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: In a row, it's time Manning and Brett Paarr again.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has taking shot. He's been hurt once in

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Speaker 1: his career. It just it is Joe Burrow keeps getting hurt. Well,

589
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Speaker 1: you know it's this left tackle for the Giants. Andrew

590
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Speaker 1: Thomas a tremendous player. Dude, he is hurt every single year.

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Speaker 1: So you do get to a point where you can

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Speaker 1: love a player, but this whole league is are you

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Speaker 1: available Sunday? Eli Manning was always available Sunday.

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Speaker 3: The last thing.

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Speaker 4: Rahie Morris is shutting down reports of a quarterback controversy.

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Speaker 4: Mike Pennix is our guy. No not playing Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 4: sor right. Next up is the forty nine Ers. Obviously

598
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Speaker 4: lost Nick Bosa, but listen, man Fred Warner, they still

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Speaker 4: have him the middle linebacker Colin.

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Speaker 3: If we had a draft of like non.

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Speaker 4: Ed rushers for defensive players, I would probably go Fred

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Speaker 4: Warner number one. The guy's incredible. You watch him, He's

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Speaker 4: a machine. Here he is talking about the impact of

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Speaker 4: Nick Bosa.

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Speaker 9: I'm sick. I'm so sick for him, you know, because

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Speaker 9: you know he knows what that's like to go through

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Speaker 9: that process right of a recovery from that injury, which

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Speaker 9: I know is fully capable of, but then doesn't make

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Speaker 9: it any easier.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, it's a huge blow to our team, but we

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Speaker 3: move forward.

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Speaker 9: I hate to say next man in mentality, because you

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Speaker 9: can't just replace him with one player. But you know,

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Speaker 9: the mission is still the same. Or we're gonna find

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Speaker 9: a way to make make a to get one win

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Speaker 9: this week and we'll figure out.

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Speaker 7: The rest later.

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Fred Warner so good.

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Speaker 7: Oh, he's so good.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the kim He is one of you.

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Speaker 1: If you watch a football player, you can tell how

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Speaker 1: smart they are by their instincts.

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Speaker 3: Instincts.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Fred Warner unbelievable instincts he has got.

625
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Speaker 1: He has an ability to sniff a playout he gets

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Speaker 1: It's like a center fielder who gets a good jump

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Speaker 1: on the ball. He gets a jump on play and

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Speaker 1: you see a lot of guys they're mostly like you know,

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Speaker 1: seaball go attack it, and then there's guys that are

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Speaker 1: ahead of the play. Fred Warner is an unbelievable talent.

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Speaker 4: Quick note, no practice yesterday for Ricky Pearsall. We know

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Speaker 4: Jenny's didn't go last week. Listen, man, if you don't

633
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Speaker 4: have Kiddings pearsall, sorry, Kittle, Pierce and Jennings it that's

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00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 4: bad news. So we got to wait, and we don't

635
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Speaker 4: know if it's going to be pretty or mac Jones.

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Speaker 4: I want to fire on the Niners, but I'm holding off.

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Speaker 4: Final story Colling College Football, Oh Boy, Oregon number six

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Speaker 4: in the country, heads to Happy Valley to take on

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Speaker 4: Penn State and James Franklin. Penn State obviously has a

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Speaker 4: huge home field advantage, and Dan Lanning talked about the

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Speaker 4: Ducks handling that rock US atmosphere.

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Speaker 7: That's part of what.

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Speaker 10: Mixed college football fun is. It's a real one to

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Speaker 10: get to go play in. Like, we've got a great

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Speaker 10: atmosphere here. It's been an asset for us. I'm sure

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Speaker 10: they're counting on it being an asset for them. But again,

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Speaker 10: play the game, not the occasion.

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Speaker 5: Just how much we'd be playing Mobomba this week in

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Speaker 5: preparation for.

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Speaker 10: What it'll play. It'll play a couple of times. We'll

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Speaker 10: be you know, do everything we can to be prepared

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Speaker 10: for that environment for sure. I love here and I

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Speaker 10: don't love that song.

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Speaker 4: So mob There's a classic moment you can look it

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Speaker 4: up on YouTube of where Penn State was playing Michigan

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Speaker 4: and they blast this song Mobamba on the opening snap

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Speaker 4: of the game. Michigan was penalized because they couldn't even

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Speaker 4: couldn't get to play in first play of the game Colin,

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Speaker 4: So it is a little crazy. Saturday Night is going

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Speaker 4: to be fire.

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Speaker 3: It's a bummer. You're not out here, man, we could

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Speaker 3: hang together. I got a haul passed from the wife.

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Speaker 3: Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: I uh, I'm going to be uh broadcasting Saturday USC

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Speaker 1: the most underrated team in college football, USC, which is

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Speaker 1: going to go to let's see Purdue. Michigan's going to

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Speaker 1: go a potentially five and oh touchdown favorite. I do

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Speaker 1: think Illinois o line struggles and the no you know

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Speaker 1: who Aliga country in sacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, James struggling.

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Speaker 4: Look at those numbers, Colin top ten opponents, James Franklin,

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Speaker 4: what is that about, By the way, how do you

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Speaker 4: go four?

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Speaker 3: And what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: Try to put that into context of the audience. Well,

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Speaker 4: because I've tried it it's tough.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So first of all, a lot of those games

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Speaker 1: are against Jim Harbaugh's Wolverines in Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: You got five stars. What's a big deal?

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Speaker 1: Come on, those are hard teams to beat. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State couldn't beat Jim Harbaugh at the end at

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Speaker 1: Penn State's not going to gee.

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Speaker 4: But this is a twenty four game sample size. Man,

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Speaker 4: This isn't like four straight through Michigan. You know, well,

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Speaker 4: they've lost a lot of close ones. They've lost often

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Speaker 4: to the best team in the country. They've lost to

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Speaker 4: Ohio State, They've lost to Michigan with hardball. I don't

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Speaker 4: you know again, you gotta be careful about I'm not

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Speaker 4: killing him. I'm just saying these are numbers that are undeniable.

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Speaker 4: You can't just that's no big deal. There is some

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Speaker 4: criticism of Franklin and late game strategies. I mean, again,

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Speaker 4: I'm not crushing the guy, but this is a big spot.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying you run him out of town,

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Speaker 4: but like, eventually, you got to win the big games.

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Speaker 1: Don't you. First of all, you run him out of town.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they would, but I would give him

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Speaker 3: to your stuff happen.

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Speaker 1: I would give him a lifetime contract today. I would

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Speaker 1: give him a lifetime contract there.

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget Schottenheimer with the Chargers. They go like,

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Speaker 4: I think it was like fourteen and two. Yeah, beat him,

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Speaker 4: and the are they losing the first round of the plass?

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Speaker 3: I think just ran him out of town. They're like,

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Speaker 3: you're not winning the big game.

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Speaker 4: It happens, man, SEC people freak out, and the Big

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Speaker 4: Ten there's big money, it's safe.

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Speaker 1: So there's about eight coaches in college football that they're

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Speaker 1: just gonna win games. Some of them are better on schemes,

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Speaker 1: some are better recruiters. I mean Dabo wins a bunch

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Speaker 1: of games. Kirby Smart's gonna win a bunch of games.

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Speaker 1: I mean Dan Lanning at Oregon is gonna win a

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Speaker 1: bunch of games.

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Speaker 4: You know how irrational these boosters are? Okay, you know

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Speaker 4: these crazy rich guys do lating all this money and

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Speaker 4: he killed. It's not about like whether or.

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Speaker 3: Not he's a good coach. We know he's good.

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Speaker 4: It's the boosters in college football are crazy and they're

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Speaker 4: the ones funding the nil money. And if they're like, listen,

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Speaker 4: I want a new coach, it gets a little. It's

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Speaker 4: like a board overthrowing the CEO.

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Speaker 1: Right fourteen, I was right fourteen. I think James Franklin's great.

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Speaker 1: He is. Fourteen of the twenty losses for James Franklin

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Speaker 1: came to Jim Harbaugh, Ryan Day, and Urban Meyer. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's like Ohio State Buckeye fan for years was banging

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Speaker 1: on Ryan Day, and I'm like, hey, he's losing to

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Speaker 1: Georgia and Jim Harball. Give me a break. Dryan Day

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Speaker 1: was crushing everybody except Jim Harball, whose last two years

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Speaker 1: had a stacked froster were fifteen NFL guys. Yeah, James

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Speaker 1: Franklin's losing Urban Meyer is arguably after saving the best

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Speaker 1: college coach ever. Jim Harbaugh, I think is the best

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Speaker 1: football coach in the world. And Ryan Day is outstanding,

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Speaker 1: and Buckeye fans are weird because he couldn't beat two

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Speaker 1: programs in the country. So he's losing to all the

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Speaker 1: great and I mean again, Ohio Penn State's a top

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Speaker 1: six program right now in America, undeniable under James Franklin. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: j Mack with a new Well, that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 2: That's the herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean listen if I mean, they

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Speaker 1: had some bumps in between, but you go Joe Paterno

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Speaker 1: and eventually James Franklin. You know programs.

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Speaker 7: Listen.

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Speaker 1: It's like people complaining about Sark at Texas. You've had

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Speaker 1: Mac Brown and now Sark with both you win a

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Speaker 1: bunch of games. You know, what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 1: It's like people if you get like in Philadelphia, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they got rid of Andy Reid, and I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: done that, but the argument was, hey, it had been time,

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Speaker 1: and I get that. And now Philadelphia has done well,

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Speaker 1: but they moved through some different coaches. The Chip thing

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Speaker 1: and the Doug Peterson thing and now the Sirianni thing

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Speaker 1: was a little bumpy and now it's not. But it's

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Speaker 1: you know, in college, there's just a handful of guys

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Speaker 1: that are gonna win double digit games every year. They're

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Speaker 1: big time recruiters, They build good staffs, give them lifetime contracts.

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Speaker 1: The idea that I'm gonna get rid of Dabbo Swinny,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You know, I got that

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl bubble. I haven't unleashed a Super Bowl bubble yet.

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Speaker 1: I always have seven teams.

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Speaker 7: That's it, they go.

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Speaker 1: I'll unveil my first Super Bowl Bubble heading in the

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Speaker 1: week four.

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Speaker 2: Now, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd

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Speaker 2: Weekdays and Neon Easter not a em Pacific and.

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Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars in cash prizes.

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Speaker 1: All right, I do it about every month, maybe I

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Speaker 1: do it four times during the NFL season, I say

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Speaker 1: my super Bowl bubble. There's always about six teams, seven

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Speaker 1: teams that I think can win the Super Bowl. It's roster, quarterback,

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Speaker 1: coaching momentum. And then there's another three or four that

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Speaker 1: I think can win multiple playoff games. But I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're a team that can really threaten to get

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Speaker 1: to a conference championship. So let's unveil it right now,

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Speaker 1: Jay mackin, you can take your wax at the pinata here.

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Speaker 1: So the teams I think are in the Super Bowl bubble,

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Speaker 1: and I feel very strongly Rams, Chargers, Eagles, Bills, Packers,

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Speaker 1: and Seattle. I am high on Seattle's roster. We just

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Speaker 1: heard from Greg Cosel who said on film they are

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Speaker 1: really good. I think Baltimore can win a couple of

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Speaker 1: playoff games. I don't trust their defense. I think Detroit

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Speaker 1: in the end do I worry that the quarterback is

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Speaker 1: a strictly pocket quarterback. They tend to be very good

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Speaker 1: at home, not as good in cold weather, not as

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Speaker 1: good late in the season on the road. I think Tampa,

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Speaker 1: you gotta trust they're going to win their division. But

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Speaker 1: I think there's a little fools gold winning over bad

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Speaker 1: teams late. But I respect Baker and Todd Bowles. They

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Speaker 1: have a great front office in San Francisco. Believe it

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Speaker 1: or not. Winning with Mac Jones is impressive. Bosa's injury

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Speaker 1: will be a problem late in the season when they

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Speaker 1: face elite quarterbacks again. Could they get to the playoffs

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Speaker 1: and win a playoff game? I love their coach. I

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Speaker 1: think when Kittle's healthy, Trent Williams McCaffrey absolutely can win

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Speaker 1: multiple playoff games. But I think no Bosa is an

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Speaker 1: issue late. Anything you see here Seattle now tonight for

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Speaker 1: the record, green Bay lost, so what they lost to Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: I think to trap game tonight for Seattle. It's a

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Speaker 1: stay away game. Arizona at home division rival short week.

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Speaker 1: They play everybody in that division tough. Your thoughts on it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So for starters, one thing is not like the

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Speaker 4: other in that Super Bowl bubble. I'll just say the

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Speaker 4: quarterback names. You tell me which pops out of you,

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Speaker 4: Stafford Hurtz, Herbert Allen, Love, Darnold, anything mildly.

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Speaker 3: Different than the others.

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Speaker 7: There, no hear.

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Speaker 3: I know BSS has a.

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Speaker 1: Number one, but I have a bunch of elite names.

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Speaker 1: That's all I heard.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I just went to the Super Bowl Futures odds. Okay,

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Speaker 4: this is a prominent sports book. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: we use them, but whatever, Buffalo is number one, okay.

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Speaker 1: Number two is.

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Speaker 3: Baltimore, which you have. Number three is Philadelphia, Green Bay.

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Speaker 4: We're Seattle, oh fifteen, Colin fifteenth best Super Bowl odds

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Speaker 4: for Seattle plus six thousand.

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Speaker 3: So I need you to go to the ATM right now,

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Speaker 3: post yeah.

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Speaker 4: And if puts your money where your mouth is, it

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Speaker 4: back Seattle and Darnold at plus six thousand. They're currently

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Speaker 4: behind the Vikings, the Colts and oh, by the way,

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Speaker 4: where's Bo Nixon Sean Payton in your bubble? The bubble

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Speaker 4: burst right now?

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Speaker 1: Right now? Denver's not there, by the way, I like

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Speaker 1: the Colts. I don't think Daniel Jones is winning two

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Speaker 1: playoff games. I like Denver. They're not playing well. They're

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Speaker 1: not getting the pass rush, they're making too many mistakes.

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Speaker 1: They're a bad first and second down offense. I can't

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Speaker 1: put them there right now, how about it?

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Speaker 3: They lost her, But I don't like the team the

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Speaker 3: Washington Commanders.

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Speaker 4: I believe they were in the NFC title game and

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Speaker 4: have Jayden Daniels and they're nowhere to be.

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Speaker 1: Found again right now. Their quarterback is not healthy. So

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Speaker 1: I've said this. Seattle is a weird fumble from being

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Speaker 1: three and zero. Seattle's really good. They had the blowout

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Speaker 1: of the year. They hammered a Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: dominated them physically in the second half. So I think

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Speaker 1: by the way, Seattle's special teams are great. That's indisputable.

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Speaker 1: Their defense is great, that is indisputable. And now that

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Speaker 1: JSN is a number one receiver, their running game is great.

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Speaker 1: Our only question was do they have a number one

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Speaker 1: receiver