1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: This is Michael Badgeley and you're listening to the Chargers 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. All right, guys, welcome into a new episode 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: of Chargers Weekly. The virtual offseason is complete. Now we 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: look to training camp and with me Daniel Popper, the Athletic. 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: If Popper, you've been in on all these Zoo conferences 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: with coaches and players and the rookies, I guess let's 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: just start with your overall thoughts on what you heard 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: during the virtual off season as we inch closer to 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: training Kim, Yeah, well, first off, I just want to 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: say that it's it's much better being here by myself 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: and not in the roundtable because it's just it's purely 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: my takes. Now I have as much time to talk 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: as I want. I don't have to worry about deferring 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: to jazz or you don't have to wait up. You 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: don't have to wait the full dose of Daniel Popper. 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: You probably feel you feel you feel free. Yeah, I 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: feel free. I feel ready to go. But yeah, just 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: to get you to your question, I mean, the one 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: thing that that Tom Slasco, Anthony Lynn Everyone's sort of 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: been hammering home is that you know everyone's in the 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: same boat here. Around the league, and there will be 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: one team that does this virtual offseason think better than 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: every other team, and that team will get themselves a 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: built in advantage for this season, which I thought was 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: a great way to approach it. You know, so you 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: can get the rookies have able to get in the field, 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: that your future, hopefully franchise quarterback has yet to take 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: a snap, that Kenneth Murray, hopefully your linebacker's difference making 29 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: linebacker for decades to come, hasn't been able to get 30 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: in the field. You can lament all of that all 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: you want, but it doesn't help you. You've got to 32 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: figure out a way to be productive during this time. 33 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: And you know, by all accounts, the Chargers have been 34 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: productive and have been able to get some stuff done. 35 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: The question is, you know how far behind will a 36 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: number of these young players that are supposed to play 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: crucial roles be, And we won't be able to determine 38 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: that until we can see them on the practice field. 39 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: You know, the one thing with Dustin Herbert is we 40 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: will be able to use that intelligence and be able 41 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: to process information quickly on the field. We won't know 42 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: that until he actually gets on the practice field. You know, 43 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: where are Kenneth Murray's coverage skills. We won't know that 44 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: until he gets onto the practice field. How much development 45 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: has Trey Pitkins made, how much development has Year Adderly made, 46 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: We won't know that until they get on the field. 47 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: So I think it puts a little bit of a 48 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: bigger onus on the training camp practices. You know, the 49 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: evaluation has to be on point and they have to 50 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: get a lot done in less time during these training 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: camp practices. But you know, like we're talking about before 52 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: we started recording, that's obviously still up in the air. 53 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: But that's sort of my biggest takeaway is that the 54 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: approach organizationally was very solid, and obviously that starts with 55 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: general manager Tom Talesco, and he's obviously a very pragmatic 56 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: decision maker and general manager, and that obviously resonated in 57 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: his approach to this offseason. You know, you threw out 58 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: a lot of different things that fancy to look at 59 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: for training camp, and let's just start with quarterbacks, because 60 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: this is the first year since two thousand and six, 61 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: Oli Rivers is not going to be under center Tyrod 62 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: Taylor justin Herbert Easton Stick. The fact that Tyrod and 63 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: Coach Lynn have a history together from their time in Buffalo. 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: Tyrod was here last year. A couple that with what's 65 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: looking like kind of a new look offense. We don't 66 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: exactly know what it's going to look like right now, 67 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: but coach says he feels pretty comfortable with Tyrod running 68 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: the show. What do you make of the quarterback situation 69 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: as we sit here at the end of June, Daniel, Yeah, 70 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, the one point you bring up that's that's 71 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: essential and you can really apply it all around the 72 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: team and to every team in the NFL, is how 73 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: important familiarity will be this season. You know, you know, 74 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: it's going to be an interesting scenario with the Charges because, 75 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, there are going to be changes on 76 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. There will be some significant 77 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: scheme changes on the offensive side of the ball, more 78 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: quarterback movement, more quarterback running, more rpo, more play action, 79 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: and more run heavy scheme, different type of running scheme. 80 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: You know, I've written about all that kind of stuff, 81 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: and that's going to be, you know, something to watch 82 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: because they don't have the time on the practice field 83 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: and maybe to maybe execute all that kind of stuff 84 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: and figure out exactly what it's going to look like, 85 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, but ultimately, you know the changes are going 86 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: to happen, and these teams are going to have to to, 87 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: especially with the Chargers, you know, figure it out, you know, 88 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: during training camp, and you know, like I was saying before, 89 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: those practices are going to be really essential. But getting 90 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: to the quarterback specifically, like that familiarity between Anthony Lynn 91 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: and Tyrod Taylor is absolutely essential. It's going to be 92 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: so important to how this team functions because you know, 93 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: they and I've written about this a bunch, like they 94 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: have a luxury that a lot of teams don't have 95 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: when you bring it when you draft the quarterback and 96 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: bring him in, and that is that they can sit 97 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert for the entire season if they really feel 98 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: like that's necessary. You know, the organization of the preaching 99 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: patients with Justin Herbert, that's been the priority. And so 100 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: they have a guy in Tyre Taylor that they trust, 101 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: they feel like he can do everything that they need 102 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: to do win football games, and so they have the 103 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: luxury to keep him on the field and starting for 104 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: as long as they want. And I think another factor 105 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: in this is that you know, Tyrod has never really 106 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: had a bone five chance to be a starter with 107 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: the support of the coaching staff in the organization. I mean, 108 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: he was benched for Nathan Peterman in Buffalo. He was there, 109 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: he had that concussion with the Browns. Baker came in 110 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: and it was over. And you know, I think all 111 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: those times he was looked at as sort of a bridge. 112 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's necessarily looked at that by 113 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: the Charges. I think he's looked at as a starting quarterback, 114 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: a legitimate starting caliber quarterback who can win football games 115 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: by being a game manager, by protecting the football and 116 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: by allowing this really talented defense to do its thing. 117 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: Um And so you know, I think that they're in 118 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: a great position in the quarterback room. They have, you know, 119 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: two guys that will have a chance to develop, and 120 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: they have a guy in Tyro Tylor that they can 121 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: trust that could play the whole season if necessary. Pro 122 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: Bowler in twenty fifteen with the Bills, And you said 123 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: protecting the football, and I think that's the biggest thing 124 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: for this team. But I don't know how you can 125 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: necessarily practice this in training camp. But taking the ball 126 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: away and turning it over were both big problems, and 127 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: that led to a five and eleven record Tyrode. During 128 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: his three seasons as a starter, his interception percentage was 129 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: just one point three. If you put that into last 130 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: year's numbers, with all the quarterbacks in the league, he'd 131 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: be in the top eight in terms of taking care 132 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: of the football. Imagine what that would have looked like 133 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: in some of these one score games. Daniel and obviously 134 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: pap Rivers. The year before he did a better job 135 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: at taking care of the football. They won twelve games. 136 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: So I don't know how you necessarily practice that, but 137 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: I do know that that Tyrod has a history of 138 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: taking care of the football. If they can just be 139 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: efficient with those snaps, maybe they have something they're offensive. 140 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: I want up be at the stat all right, So, 141 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: of all quarterbacks in history of the NFL with at 142 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: least a thousand passing attempts, Tyre Taylor is second all 143 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: time in interception rate at one point one point five percent. 144 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: The only guy better than him in the history of 145 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: the NFL with a thousand or more passing attempts is 146 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. So, like, we're not talking about a guy 147 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: who's like pretty good at protecting the football. We're talking 148 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: about a guy who's like historically great at not throwing interceptions. 149 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: Now that might lead to like a less exciting brand 150 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: of football. You know, Chargers fans are used to seeing 151 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers getting out there in his seventeen jersey and 152 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: slinging that thing around like there's no tomorrow. It's not 153 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: going to be that. That's not what the Chargers are 154 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: going to look like this year. But you look at 155 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: what happened last year, and you look at what Anthony 156 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: Lynn tries to do as a coach. There's a pillar 157 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: of his coaching philosophy, there's a through line throughout every 158 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: press conference we've ever had with him, and it's that 159 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: he believes that turnover differential is the most important statistic 160 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: and the most important thing for a football team. You 161 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: have to limit turnovers and you have to force turnovers. 162 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: And so he was sort of, you know, in this gridlock, 163 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: sort of at odds. These two philosophies of Anthony Lynn 164 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: want to protect the football and Philip Rivers wanting to 165 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: be out there like the little kid that he's always 166 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: been and play an exciting brand of football and push 167 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: the ball down the field and tried to score points 168 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: because that's his job as a quarterback. Now you're going 169 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: to see a quarterback who's much more in line with 170 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: Anthony Lyn's philosophy in terms of protecting the football on offense. 171 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: And you look at the number of one score games 172 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: this team was in last year, I think they ended 173 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: up being two and nine and one score games. I 174 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: mean that is such a small margin. They were winning 175 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: those games the year before those one score games, right, 176 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: So but you know, a you know, slight increase an 177 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: interception rate for Philip Rivers, you know whatever, it was 178 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: like point seven percent, and that is the difference. That 179 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: is the difference right there. If he doesn't throw a 180 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: few interceptions late in the game, they have a possibility 181 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: to be in the playoff ont despite the injuries. And 182 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: I think that is where this organization is coming from. 183 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: And if you look back a sort of all the 184 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: all the decisions that were made this offseason, they were 185 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: made to limit turnovers and four more turnovers because ultimately 186 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 1: that's what Anthony Lynn is trying to accomplish as a 187 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: head coach. You mentioned turnover differential, how important it is. 188 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: The coach Lynn minus seventeen last year tied for last 189 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's not going to cut it. It's 190 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: not going to cut it. And we talked about offensively, right, 191 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: and it was also fumbles, you know it was. It 192 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: wasn't just Phillips interceptions. There also fumbles and defensively, I 193 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: think that's where the Chargers really have to figure out, 194 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: how can we take the football away. We have bookends 195 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: and Joey Bosa and Melvin Inger. We add Chris Harris Jr. 196 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: Darwin James was hurt for a majority of last year, 197 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: which really crushed them. But you look at the secondary. 198 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: We're hyping the secondary. I think throughout you know, the 199 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: off season a little bit, right, but I think I 200 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: think a lot of it, a lot of it. Yeah, 201 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: But they gotta put it together. They gotta put it 202 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: together on the field and there's really there's very few 203 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: excuses when you have a pass rush like they have, 204 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: and then you add Lynvall Joseph and you have guys 205 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: up front Jerry Tillery, who you expected to take a 206 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: leap in year two. Couple with all these guys in 207 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: the back of I mean, Durwin James, Chris Harris Junior, 208 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: Casey Hayward, Michael Davis, Ray Shawn Jenkins, Nazio athelete Desmond King. 209 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: Not all these guys gonna be able to see the field. 210 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: But I don't know, just talk about the defense and 211 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: what they need to do to turn around, Um what 212 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: happened in twenty nineteen. Yeah, So, I mean the one 213 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: thing that that Gus Bradley has harpdon Anthony Lena's harpdon 214 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: is that, you know, we didn't force enough turnovers, like 215 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: you said, but the reason for that was we didn't 216 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: get enough pressure on the quarterback. And you talk about 217 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: having probably arguably the best pass rushing doing in the league, 218 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: one of them definitely, But if those guys are getting 219 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: double teamed on every single third down, on every single 220 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: pass or situation, they're getting chipped, they're not going to 221 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: be productive as productive you know, obviously they still you know, 222 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: bos have finished the season with eleven and a half sacks, 223 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: Ingram had seven sax. But those guys could both be 224 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: much more productive players if they were getting for single 225 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: teams and didn't have to deal with these chips and stuff. 226 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: And to see is more blitzing. Gus Bradley's philosophy as 227 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: a defensive coach doesn't lend itself to blitzing. He's most 228 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: his defenses are pretty much year after year at the 229 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: bottom of the league in blitz percentage, and that's because 230 00:10:54,120 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: his philosophy relies revolves around limiting explosive place. Yeah, things 231 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: that if you can limit the explosive plays and keep 232 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: everything in front and bend but don't break, then you're 233 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: going to have an opportunity to be a really good defense. 234 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: But Anthony Lynn has already gotten to the point where like, 235 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: we're not getting it done without blitzing, So we need 236 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: to have a change. We need to be more multiple, 237 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: we need to be more versatile. We need to throw 238 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: some more exotic looks at opposing offenses and bring more 239 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: more press as much of a weight and shoulders of 240 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: joy boats and Melvan Ingram and so what you're going 241 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: to see is more blitzing. I don't know how much. 242 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: You know what what Anthony Lena say is like, it's 243 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: not going to be zero to one hundred, it's gonna 244 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: be zero to thirty. But you're going to see more 245 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: man coverage. You know, the staple of this defense is 246 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: cover three, where you have three defenders in the splitting 247 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: the deep part of the field. You know, it's a 248 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: it's a way to keep everything in front. You're gonna 249 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: see less of that. You're gonna see more man coverage, 250 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: which frees up extra defenders to blitz. That extra defender 251 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: could be Derwin James. So it's kind of interesting. You're 252 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: gonna get like a less exciting offense, but probably a 253 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: more exciting defense. And with all the pieces that they have, 254 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: you can really get creative with how you blitz. You know, 255 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: not only are these really these guys really good defensive 256 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: backs in great coverage, you have some really good blitzing 257 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: defensive backs. Desmond King when he's on is one of 258 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: the best blitzing nickel backs in the league, and he 259 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: could be playing all over the place this season. There 260 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: you can do so many things with him in terms 261 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: of getting after the quarterback. He saw in that Dolphins 262 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: game last year he chased down Josh Rosen a couple 263 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: of times for sex. He's a beast when he's blitzing 264 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: Derwin James. Obviously, ray Shon Jenkins was a nickel corner 265 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: before he switched to free safety. He can absolutely blitz 266 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback. So I think it's gonna be interesting to 267 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: see how much more blitzing they do, how much to 268 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: a transition away from the cover three they do, and 269 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: sort of how they used all these pieces in the 270 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: secondary to get after the quarterback and some creative ways. 271 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing Gus, but when he spoke this all season, 272 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: there was a plan for Derwin James this year that 273 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: just was unraveled because he wasn't on the field. Do 274 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: you think we would have seen maybe a little bit 275 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: more blitzing head number thirty three been on the field 276 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: because get him close to the line of scrimmage. And 277 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: you know there's other guys too. I think you Channa News, 278 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: who's a guy we have to look for this year 279 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: in terms of getting pressure on the quarterback. We talked 280 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: about Tillery, but I think it revolves around Drwin Man. 281 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: Do you think we would have seen maybe more blitzing 282 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: and maybe even more creativity had Derwin just been healthy 283 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: last year? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean they built the defense 284 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: around him. You're going into year two. I mean his 285 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: rookie season was absolutely outstanding, and all of a sudden 286 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: he burst onto the scene as like one of the 287 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: best defensive players in football, And so of course you 288 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: spend that next offseason tweaking the defense a little bit 289 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: and building more around Derwin James because you expect him 290 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: to be able to put even more on his plate. 291 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: And so now you have this defense that could be 292 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: take even another step. Because your best player is so 293 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: young and hasn't reached his full potential yet, you build 294 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: around him, You build around him, and you build around him, 295 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: and then he gets injured right before the season starts. 296 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: And not only that, but his backup in Adrian Phillips, 297 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: who could probably do you know, of what Derwin does, 298 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: which is still a whole hell of a lot. Now 299 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: he gets injured and your third strength strong safety is 300 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: in there. So you built your defense around this one position. 301 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: And now you have a guy in Roger Team who 302 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: could eventually develop into a great player, and he has 303 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: a lot of great skills and attributes, just wasn't ready 304 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: to take on that kind of responsibility. And so you're 305 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: looking at a guy who could maybe do thirty percent 306 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: of what Dirwin could do, which is still a whole 307 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: hell of a lot too because it was a great player. 308 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: But you've built the defense around him, and now you 309 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: don't have that key cog and you don't have his 310 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: backup either, and I think that was such a huge 311 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: part of the struggles on third down and this defense 312 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: not really reaching what it did in twenty eighteen. You know, 313 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: if he was there, you probably would have seen a 314 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: little bit more blitzing, but the philosophy was still there 315 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: for Gus Bradley, he's now being forced to adapt as 316 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: a coach and sort of shy away from this philosophy, 317 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: this cover three philosophy that is such a key part 318 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: of his defensive scheme and switch it up a little bit. 319 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: And that was mandated because of the struggles getting after 320 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback last year. And I think, you know, with Derwinn, 321 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: you probably would have seen a little bit more boots 322 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: in last year, but I think you're going to see 323 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: a significant amount more this coming season. Daddy. You mentioned 324 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: Roger Teamber. I didn't even list to him when I 325 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: was going through the secondary, which there's just so many guys, 326 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: which begs the question, not all these guys are gonna 327 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: be able to see the field. And Nazier Adelie is 328 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: a guy that I think everybody was expecting to contribute 329 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: last year, just could not stay healthy, couldn't stay on 330 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: the field. In year two, if we see the Nazier 331 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: that they drafted in the second round, how do you 332 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: see the secondary actually looking because there's just there's so 333 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: many guys and only so many guys can play. Yeah. 334 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: So actually wrote about this a couple of weeks ago 335 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: and sort of just went through like all these different 336 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: scenarios and different combinations that they could do. And when 337 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: you have certain guys that can play every position in 338 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: the secondary, like Desmond Kane can play every position in 339 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: the secondary, it does give you a lot of options. 340 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: And the more I sort of wighed it and tried 341 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: to figure out how they were gonna get in as 342 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: here in the field. The one place that makes a 343 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: lot of sense is if you know, in Dine packages, 344 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: which would be six defensive backs on the field, you 345 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: would move ray Sean Jenkins from free safety, which is 346 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: where he would be in defense, and Nickel packages was 347 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: five defensive backs, move him from free safety and make 348 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: him the dimebacker, make him that sixth defensive back, which 349 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: is the position Adrian Phillips used to play. Now. Rayshan 350 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: has has an impressive skill set and he's very versatile, 351 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: and he could He definitely has the physicality to play 352 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: that position and the coverage skills to play that position. 353 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: And now what you can do is if you move 354 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: Rai to dimebacker where you have Derwin, all of a sudden, 355 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: free safety is open and you could bring us to 356 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: Adelie onto the field and those dimebackages and put him 357 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: at a position in free safety. That is what that's 358 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: his primary position. That's something he's comfortable with, and he 359 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: can go out there and he can fall hawk and 360 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: these dime packages and you'd have Chris Harrison the nickel 361 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: and Casey Harward and Michael Davis on the outside. That's 362 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: one possibility. The only issue with that is now Desmond 363 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: King isn't getting on the field, and so it's like 364 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: each each combination you think of, one guy gets left out. 365 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: Now that one possibility is maybe you take Michael Davis 366 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: off and put Desmond King on the outside, and maybe 367 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison the outside and bring Desmond King to the 368 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: nickel back. I mean, there are just so many different possibilities. 369 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: I ended up writing like two thousand words on it 370 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: because I was like, you know, after every combination, I 371 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: was like, oh there's another one. Oh there's another one. 372 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: You know, but it will be interesting to see what 373 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: they do. The other possibility that Guts brought up is 374 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: that they could try mister Adderley out of corner. He 375 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: played some corner in college and has that kind of 376 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: skill set, and so they could they could dabble into 377 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: that during training camp. But we'll see. I mean, no 378 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: one really knows exactly how this is all going to 379 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: shake out, but they used a second round pick on him, 380 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,239 Speaker 1: so they're going to do everything they can to get 381 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: him on the field. It would be a complete waste 382 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: for him to spend another season looking on from the sidelines. 383 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: It would And you know, we mentioned Tillbury a couple 384 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: of times here already. I am very interested to see 385 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: what he looks like coming into training camp and actually 386 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: having a full training camp. And it's it's very difficult 387 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: to because I know Mike Williams, for instance, he made 388 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: a big leap from year one to year two, but 389 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: he had the entire offseason program and this year is 390 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: just all over the place. I mean, you don't you 391 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: don't get in front of your coaches less you're doing 392 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: this on zoom. What do you expect from Jerry Tillery 393 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: this year? And also having Lindval Joseph. They're a leader, 394 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: a guy who I think if he gets a set 395 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: amount of snaps, he's going to make an impact on 396 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: that d line as well. Yeah, you bring up Lindval Joseph. 397 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: It's sort of interesting because you know, brand of Ebane 398 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: was that sort of anchor. Veteran guys relied on him 399 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: for advice, but on and off the field, he was that, 400 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, that patriarchal figure for the for the defensive 401 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: line room. The interesting thing about bringing one Vaul Joseph 402 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: is he has the same kind of experience, but he's 403 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: much more of a pass rushing threat, and so you 404 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: wonder if maybe he can teach Jerry Tillory a little 405 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: bit more about how to get after the quarterback. Then 406 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: maybe Brandon Meban did. Whereas Brandon Mebane is such a 407 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: stout runblocker, maybe he was able to, you know, teach 408 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: Hillery things about dealing with double teams against the run game. 409 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: But you know, I think Jerry is going to be 410 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: a huge piece of this defense and very important to 411 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: whether or not this defense reaches its potential in twenty twenty. 412 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: They have not gotten the interior pass rush they need. 413 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: Going back to what we were talking about earlier with 414 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: Melvin Ingram and Joey Bosa. A big reason why those 415 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: guys are getting chipped and double team done every single 416 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: snap is because there's really no threat of an interior 417 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: defensive lineman getting after the quarterback. Justin Jones was great 418 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: against the run last year, really really phenomenal, but he 419 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: just doesn't have the passing pass rushing skill set to 420 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: get it done right now. Maybe he's added that to 421 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: his game as offseason, but he's really a run stuff 422 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: or that's that's that's the best attribute in his game. 423 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: And so they drafted Jerry Tillery as maybe being the 424 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: change of pace with Justin Jones. Bring him in and 425 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: have Jerry Tiller get off the quarterback. That didn't come 426 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: to fruition obviously, but if they are going to be 427 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: a better defense, they need to find that interior pass 428 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: rush and the guy that has to do it is 429 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Hillery. You know they're going to try and get 430 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: the nose tackle more involved in the pass rush, but 431 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: the nose tackle ultimately can only do so much because 432 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: you're lining up pretty much over the center, and it's 433 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: unless you can get your body small and make a 434 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: really nice immediate pass rush moved. It's hard relatively for 435 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: the nostacle who get at the quarterback. And Gus Bradley 436 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: scheme the three techniquehere, Jerry Tillery and Justin Jones's play 437 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: that guy. The defense is created for that guy to 438 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: make plays both against the run and as a pass rusher, 439 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: and that's sort of what they're envisioning for Jerry Tillery 440 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: is to be that past rush package three technique with 441 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: his length and athleticism to get after the quarterback, to 442 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: disrupt the quarterback, to get his hands up to bad passes. 443 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: And the big issue with him last year was just strength. 444 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: He obviously missed all the spring because of that shoulder 445 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: injury that he needed surgery on, and so he wasn't 446 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: working out as much and didn't build up as much 447 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: strength as maybe he would have he didn't have the injury, 448 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: and that's going to be the key. Can he come 449 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: back bigger, stronger, and more tenacious in his mentality and 450 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: you need that kind of grit and determination to play 451 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: against these NFL offensive lineman who are just on another 452 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: level than college guys. But if he makes a big step, 453 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: this defense can be an incredible unit in twenty twenty, 454 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: and he has to make that step for them to 455 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: get there. One more thing on the defense, the linebackers, 456 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: and you talk about Kenneth Murray, how quickly can he 457 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: pick things up. I think he's confident that he can 458 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: do that, and I think the coaches are confident that 459 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: he can do that as well. But Drew Trenkuil year two, 460 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: if we start to see the Drew trankle that we 461 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: saw towards the back half of last year, we know 462 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: what he's capable of on special teams, and then you 463 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: hope a guy like Denzel Perramid could just stay on 464 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: the field and stay healthy, this unit could be kind 465 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: of an X factor in this defense. Datil. Yeah, it's 466 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: something they've recent history, and it's kind of ironic because 467 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: the Chargers have always had these great difference making linebackers 468 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: where you go back to Junior Say Oh or John 469 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: Merriman or whoever, like they've always kind of had these 470 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: guys that were like elite, elite linebackers that were really 471 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: the heart of the defense, and they've been missing it. 472 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: I mean even in twenty eighteen. And I wrote about 473 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: this today because I had Kenneth Murray and my top 474 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: ten of most important players for this season. You know, 475 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: you go back to twenty eighteen and not having a 476 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: great linebacking corps, both because of injuries in personnel was 477 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: the reason that they didn't that they got bounce from 478 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: the playoffs. They had to play those defenses with seven 479 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: defensive backs against Tom Brady and he picked them apart. 480 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: You know, they've been missing that and thoms Lasco tried 481 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: to fill that hole with Thomas Davis last year, but 482 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: then they had all these injuries. It's strong safety, and 483 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: so more had to be put on the plate of 484 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: a thirty six year old time from Stavins, who's had 485 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: an absolutely outstanding, incredible career. He's a warrior in all 486 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: time great but just wasn't ready and prepared to take 487 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: on that. I'm out of responsibility at this stage of 488 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: his career. And so now they've addressed it in earnest. 489 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: They've got a guy and they trade it up. They 490 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: were aggressive, they went and got their guy and Kenneth 491 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: Murray and now you have a really interesting dynamic here 492 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: where you have two really good young linebackers that are 493 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: only going to improve that ideally would be you know, 494 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: the heart and the and the sturdiness in that middle 495 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: of the defense that you've been looking for between Drew 496 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Trankle and Kenneth Murray. You know, the interesting thing is, 497 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: how is middle linebacker going to shake out? Because you 498 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: bring up Denzel Perryman and the coaching staff still loves 499 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: Denzel Perryman just because he's he just hits so hard. 500 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: He's such a violent player, and you need guys that 501 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: you just need violent guys on defense to set the tone. 502 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's an overused cliche, but like 503 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: you need there. There are moments in games where Denzel 504 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: Perryman meets a running back in the hole and he 505 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: hits them so hard that you can hear it the 506 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: noise in the box, and you're like, okay, like this 507 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: guy came to play today. Now, last year he was injured. 508 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: He was still dealing with that knee injury he suffered 509 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. He was playing with a brace through 510 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: the first four or five games this season. He told 511 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: me that he really wasn't comfortable with the brace until 512 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: like about midway through the season. And then he also 513 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: severely sprained his ankle in the preseason, and that was 514 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: the thing all season where he was getting pulled from 515 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: the game. You know what could he be if he's 516 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: fully healthy? And what does that mean for Drew Trankl 517 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: Are they splitting snaps at middle linebacker? Do they think 518 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: about moving Drew Trankle to the outside to play will 519 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: if he's out there? Where does Kenneth Murray fit in? 520 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: But the beauty of it, For the first time in 521 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: a long time, they have a lot of depth there 522 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: and they can really move guys around and feel like 523 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: they have some sort of structure in the middle of 524 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: that defense, where for the last two seasons it's kind 525 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: of been like it seemed like plugging holes almost like 526 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: whackam old guys going down and you don't really have 527 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: that depth and talent to fill the holes if guys 528 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: do get injured. Now I feel like they do have it. 529 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: And I'm honestly very excited to see Kenneth Murray play 530 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: in this defense because Gus Browley is absolutely ecstatic his kid, 531 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: both in terms of his makeup and his skill set, 532 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: and he could fit really well in at that week 533 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: side linebacker position just because he can cover sideline the 534 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: sideline these vats. He's a running hit linebacker and that's 535 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: something they've been missing. Like I said, in recent seasons, 536 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: a couple more for you, Daniel will flip it back 537 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: over to offense. This will be the best set of 538 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: weapons that Tyrode has ever played with in his NFL career, 539 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: with Mike Williams and Keenan, Allen Hunter, Henry. The running 540 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: game is going to be interesting too. Austin Eckler is 541 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: going to be looked at to maybe carry a little 542 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: bit more of the load. But you still have Justin Jackson, 543 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: you have Joshua Kelly, who Coach Lin said, listen, we're 544 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: not saying he's gonna be Melvin Gordon, but he does 545 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: have the capability of getting some of those tough yards. 546 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: What do you think the offense could look like? And 547 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: whether it's justin Herbert Tyrod Taylor he used to stick there. 548 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: They're all mobile quarterbacks. So what do you think this 549 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: offense could look like with all of this talent around them? 550 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: The offensive line? Obviously there may be some questions they 551 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: are just with a new coach and some personnel that 552 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit younger on that left side. Yeah, well, 553 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: I think that their offense is going to look a 554 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: lot more like what the Ravens have been doing in 555 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: recent seasons. Greg Roman is their offensive coordinator and Anthony 556 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: Lynn coach with Greg Roman and Buffalo in twenty fifteen 557 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: and twenty sixteen, So there's some familiarity there, and then 558 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: there is some overlap in terms of ideas and as 559 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: far as where they've been in their careers. You know what, 560 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: the Ravens. The Ravens obviously have a generational talent Lamar Jackson. 561 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: Chargers don't have a player that can do what Lamar 562 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: Jackson do because no one can do what Lamar and 563 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: Jackson can do. But they have players that are similar. 564 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: They have players that can move at the quarterback position, 565 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: and that's going to be a big part of what 566 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 1: the Chargers do this coming season. You're gonna see a 567 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: lot more of the zone reads, of the design quarterback runs. 568 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: You're going to see a lot more quarterback movement. I 569 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: know that's a word. I say a lot, but what 570 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: they mean by what I mean by quarterback movement is 571 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: is bootlegs, rollouts, play action where the pocket doesn't stay 572 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: stationary and it moves either left or right. And that's 573 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: something that you just couldn't do with Philip Rivers Philip 574 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: Rivers does a lot of things better than anyone's ever 575 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: done them in the league. He's probably going to make 576 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. His anticipation, his grit and determination, 577 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: his leadership is knowledge to the line of scrimmage. The 578 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: amount of stuff that he used to change the line 579 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: of scrimmage he did more than anyone in the league 580 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: at that Now could he move very well, not really 581 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: late in his career, and so Anthony Lynn has always 582 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to input in a lot of these 583 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: new things that are sweeping the NFL, but couldn't because 584 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: of his personnel and Phlip Rivers. And now you're going 585 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: to see that. So it's going to be interested in 586 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 1: see how it sort of develops and whether they can 587 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: they can execute it. But the one thing that you know, 588 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: the coaching staff in front office likes to talk about 589 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: is that if you're moving the quarterback around a lot 590 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: more and you're using more play action RPO and bootlegs 591 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: and things like that, it does alleviate some of the 592 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: pressure on the offensive line. When Philip Rivers was dropping 593 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: back in the past in the pocket, he was standing 594 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: in one place and a stationary target is very easy 595 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: for defensive end or pass rusher to get to pin 596 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: your ears back and you just go after him and 597 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: you know that the quarterback's not going to get out 598 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: of the way. But you see what happens with Patrick 599 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: Mahomes a great example. Pass can beat their offensive lineman, 600 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: but then he's rolling out and he's not getting touched 601 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: and he's still making a play even though your offensive 602 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: line got beat. And that's really what the Charges were 603 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: missing Layton Philip Rivers' careers. They just didn't have those 604 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: those kind of off script plays, those scrambles on third 605 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: and ten that really make an offense move. And I 606 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: think you'll be seeing a little bit more of that 607 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: this coming season, and you'll finally thing for you. Over 608 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, I've talked to a couple 609 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: of your counterparts at the Athletic to Sean Reid and 610 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: Nate Taylor covering the Raiders and Chiefs. Talk to ryno'halleran 611 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: of the Dever Post last week talking about the Broncos. 612 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, how do you see the 613 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: Chargers stacking up in this division? Knowing that all the 614 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: moves the Broncos made, the Raiders made, the Chiefs really 615 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: stood Pat. But there's a lot of familiarity there in 616 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: Kansas City, knowing that the Chargers were twelve games two 617 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: years ago and what went wrong last year with the 618 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: turnovers which we documented, the injuries. How do you see 619 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: the Chargers stacking up early prediction here in June. Well, 620 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: this was a priority for Tom Talasco this offseason, like 621 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: he was clearly upset that his team went oh and 622 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: six in the division. And when you look around the league, 623 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: like teams build their rosters to deal with their divisional 624 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: opponents because you know you're playing six games against those 625 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: teams every single year, six out of sixteen games. So 626 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: you build your team to prepare for those teams in 627 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: your division. So to go oh in six is a 628 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: real indictment of how you built your roster. There's no 629 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: real way to cut it anything right, even if the 630 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: games were all really close. Now, with that being said, 631 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: the Chargers probably played the Chiefs offense better than any 632 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: other team in the league last season. Both games were close, 633 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: and that game in Mexico City was one of the 634 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: best defensive games ever played against Patrick Mahomes in terms 635 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: of what he was held to in yards for attempt. 636 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: So they did that with with an injured team. You 637 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: bring back Derwin James, you bring Chris Harrison, Windvall, Joseph 638 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: you bring in and draft Kenneth Murray. All of a sudden, 639 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: you've got a lot more talent here. So they have 640 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: the right approach. Now they have the person all to 641 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: do the things that you need to do against the Chiefs, 642 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: which is be fast and tackle in space because a 643 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: lot of the you know, most of the time with 644 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, it's not like they're airing it out over 645 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: the top that that obviously happens the run of buyu. 646 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: A lot of these big gainers, right, are little dump 647 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: offs that and they got the fastest guys in the NFL, 648 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: and they're taken off on these screen passes, on the 649 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: short slants, whatever it is. You got to be able 650 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: to tackle on space. And so I think they stack 651 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: up well. And I think the fact that it's been 652 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: a priority to rebound from that oh and six finish 653 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: against the division is also important factor here. And we'll 654 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: see I can guarantee you that they will win a 655 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: game against the division this year because I can't imagine 656 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: and Anthony lyn Thom Clasco team going oh and six 657 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: against the division in two seasons back to back. So 658 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: I'd expect them to stack up well, honestly, and we'll see. 659 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: We'll just see how the team sort of forms together. 660 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: My vision of the team right now is, and I've 661 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: sort of alluded to this all along, is you have 662 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: a sort of middle of the road offense that doesn't 663 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: make mistakes ever, runs the ball really well, and puts 664 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: up enough points to let their defense win games. And 665 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: you have a defense that is, you know, maybe the 666 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: best defense in football. I think that's really a possibility 667 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: with the talent that they have and that sort of 668 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: the vision. I think that this team has been put 669 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: together and that stacks up well in a division that 670 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: has a lot of really really really strong offensive talent, 671 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: especially when you're looking at the Chiefs. You know, having 672 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: a strong defense in this division will be crucial, and 673 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: I think they'll get there, and I would envision a 674 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: much better performance against the division this season from the Chargers. 675 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: And there's the unknown with when training camp is going 676 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: to start and all the protocols that need to be 677 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: put in place. I'm hoping that this isn't going to 678 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: be the norm where I got to talk to Daniel 679 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: Popper via zoom and I can't see them. Want to 680 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: get the studio. I want to get back in the studio. 681 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: I want to get back on the grass man. Man, 682 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: I can't wait, and I'm I'm gonna start crazy and 683 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: here honestly, but hopefully you know, the NFL owners were 684 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: having their meeting today, so hopefully we get an idea 685 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: when all this stuff will come into motion and we 686 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: can be seeing each other very soon. Yes, sir, well, Daniel, 687 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: the Athletic always appreciate your time. Man, looking forward to 688 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: getting back to football sooner than later. And you guys, 689 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: everyone who listens to this subscribes to the Athletic, I 690 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: would hope and knows Daniel's work, so continue to read 691 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: Daniel's stuff always top nos. Appreciate your time, brother, Thanks 692 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: for having me. All right, that's gonna do it for us. 693 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: A big thanks to Daniel Popper for joining me, and 694 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: thanks to you guys for listening. We're gonna take next 695 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: week off for the fourth of July. We'll be back 696 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks with a new episode of 697 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly as we get closer to training camp twenty twenty, 698 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: have a great weekend, and until next time, I'm Chris 699 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: Aren