WEBVTT - Ancient Pacific Navigation, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, the production of

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<v Speaker 1>My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back with part two. In the last episode, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the settlement, the original colonization of the Pacific Islands,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we're back to talk about some documentation of

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<v Speaker 1>the amazing navigation techniques used by the master navigators of

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<v Speaker 1>various Pacific islands. Uh. And I'm really excited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this stuff today because I've been reading this big,

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<v Speaker 1>very important book on the subject that was published in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two by an author named David Lewis called

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<v Speaker 1>We the Navigators that involves extensive interviews with and then

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<v Speaker 1>direct sailing in firsthand observation of the navigation techniques of

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<v Speaker 1>master navigators from the Pacific Islands, for example, a man

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<v Speaker 1>named Tevak of the Santa Cruz Reef Islands and a

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<v Speaker 1>man named hip Or of Poula Wat in the Carolines.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we're gonna be talking about some of these

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<v Speaker 1>specific navigation techniques. Yeah. And again these are the techniques

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<v Speaker 1>of environmental navigation, so navigation at sea on the open sea,

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<v Speaker 1>conducted without instruments. Uh and and so I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately the really amazing part of this. But then at

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<v Speaker 1>the same same time, I want to stress something we've

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in the first episode that this is also not

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<v Speaker 1>based in sort of a gut instinct, a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>well I've been at sea enough, I kind of know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing. No, this is a this is a science.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is these are techniques that would have

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<v Speaker 1>that were passed down from generation to generation, from skilled

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<v Speaker 1>individual to two skilled individual. And uh. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we see this continued on in oral traditions, but then

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<v Speaker 1>also we've seen them recorded, especially in the last few decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh that there's been a resurgence of interest in this

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<v Speaker 1>uh an effort to to make sure that these traditions

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<v Speaker 1>and techniques survived and then also to use them to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the history of the colonization of these islands by

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<v Speaker 1>ancient humans. Right. And one of the points that Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>argues in his book is that the colonization of the

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<v Speaker 1>islands of the Pacific was not driven entirely by random drifts, say,

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<v Speaker 1>people getting blown off course by a storm or getting

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<v Speaker 1>lost and then happening upon a new island. That that instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he argues that a lot of these islands were probably

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<v Speaker 1>discovered by deliberate exploratory probes. Right, so let's get into

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<v Speaker 1>some of the techniques. Then. We're going to start with

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<v Speaker 1>what may seem the most obvious, and that is the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of amazing techniques to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is by far the most important one. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so Pacific islanders. Uh, specifically the trained navigators, they did

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<v Speaker 1>use the stars. The train navigator knew the positions of

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<v Speaker 1>important stars and their relationship to islands by heart. They

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<v Speaker 1>knew how the pattern of the stars changed depending on

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<v Speaker 1>where you went and what time of the year it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And they could also use the stars to determine latitude,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's your north south positioning. They could roughly determine

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<v Speaker 1>where they were in relation to the equator based on

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<v Speaker 1>the height of Polaris or the southern cross above the horizon,

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<v Speaker 1>which they would measure, again not using instruments, but using

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<v Speaker 1>the human hand. Yes, or sometimes I think also maybe uh,

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the boat could be used to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>orient with the stars on the horizon. Right, So, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're unfamiliar with this, kind of technique. As obviously most

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<v Speaker 1>of us are as I am, the mind is immediately boggled, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you think, Okay, how would I use the stars to

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<v Speaker 1>find I don't know a city or something like that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't. You wouldn't even know where to start. But

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<v Speaker 1>once you know to look for, this actually becomes an

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<v Speaker 1>extremely reliable method. Uh. And specifically, the really important guide

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<v Speaker 1>stars here are constellations that are low in the sky

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<v Speaker 1>around the point where they are either rising or setting,

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<v Speaker 1>and can be easily associated with a particular heading toward

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon. So you're steering your boat and you're observing

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<v Speaker 1>the stars right around the horizon. So these would be

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<v Speaker 1>either stars and star constellations that have recently risen or

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<v Speaker 1>are about to set, depending on which direction east west

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<v Speaker 1>you're heading. So if you have a particular destination in

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<v Speaker 1>mind and you know you're starting position, you can associate

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<v Speaker 1>your destination with a particular guide star. Or what a

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<v Speaker 1>guide star would actually mean is a series of stars

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<v Speaker 1>and star constellations that will move move vertically up and

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<v Speaker 1>down across the sky as the night goes on. But

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<v Speaker 1>they might be identified by say the first star. You

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<v Speaker 1>would see the sequences as the guide star, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the train of subsequent stars that would move up and

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<v Speaker 1>down as the night goes on. But that is associated

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<v Speaker 1>with a particular island. Now, of course, it gets much

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<v Speaker 1>more complicated than that, because, for one thing, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to take into account position and geography, because while a

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<v Speaker 1>star can help give you a heading toward a known

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<v Speaker 1>island that's associated with it would only necessarily be associated

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<v Speaker 1>with the island you're heading for from a particular direction. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're heading from east to west, the island

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for is under a certain star, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you're heading from north to the same island, that island

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<v Speaker 1>would be under a different star. Right. So the stars

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<v Speaker 1>help you get an orientation, but you have to know

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<v Speaker 1>the relationships between a sort of mental map of islands

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<v Speaker 1>in your head and how shifting the starting point of

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<v Speaker 1>the journey will shift what star path will lead you

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<v Speaker 1>to your island destination. But it gets even more complicated

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<v Speaker 1>than that because, of course, as we mentioned, the stars

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<v Speaker 1>don't stay still throughout the night. The earth is rotating,

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<v Speaker 1>so the fixed stars rise and set across the sky

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of a night, and as the stars

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<v Speaker 1>rise higher or set below the horizon, they become less

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<v Speaker 1>useful or not useful at all for navigating without equipment

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<v Speaker 1>and charts, not just because say, they're higher as they're

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<v Speaker 1>rising up, but also because they tend to rise at

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<v Speaker 1>an angle, so they won't stay right where they're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the horizon. What you want is a

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<v Speaker 1>reference star that is either just rising if you're heading east,

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<v Speaker 1>or is just about to set if you're heading west. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you do there? Well, what you would

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<v Speaker 1>tend to do is cycle through new sets of rising

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<v Speaker 1>or falling guide stars that you know will keep you

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<v Speaker 1>pointed in the right direction. And Lewis writes about this

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<v Speaker 1>that on average, you won't need more than about ten

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<v Speaker 1>guide stars to sail through an entire night, given the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time that each star is usually pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to the horizon, close enough to be usable. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can almost imagine kind of a I don't know, like

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<v Speaker 1>those like stock ticker strips, you know, the old one

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<v Speaker 1>is like a strip of stars that are peeling up

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<v Speaker 1>over the horizon all night long, and each one, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is the next one in the set that is still

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<v Speaker 1>oriented with the top star in that strip that will

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<v Speaker 1>keep you going in the direction you need to go,

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<v Speaker 1>But stop and think about, like how much memorization this requires,

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<v Speaker 1>Like how much you need to know about what the

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<v Speaker 1>stars look like, what their orientations are, and their relationships

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<v Speaker 1>to the islands you need to get to, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>where you're starting point. Is So the amount of navigational

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<v Speaker 1>lore that needs to be committed to memory and the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of detail in it is is absolutely astounding. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it reminds me a little. These are not directly comparable

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<v Speaker 1>at all, but it reminds me a little of how

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<v Speaker 1>in or is it Mark Twain's life on the Mississippi

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how an experienced riverboat pilot would need to

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<v Speaker 1>know by heart the entire river, like all the various

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<v Speaker 1>details of its it's twist and bends, its depth, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything that went into knowing it. Which, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I've read, you can you can basically take

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<v Speaker 1>that and apply it to to any kind of nautical setting,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly this one is well. Like you would need

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<v Speaker 1>to to know by heart the environment through which you

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<v Speaker 1>would be uh sailing, the environment of the waters, but

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<v Speaker 1>also the environment of the stars above. Yeah, And it

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<v Speaker 1>seems that while I don't know, while the mental memorization

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<v Speaker 1>of physical surroundings on land, including like trees and changes

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<v Speaker 1>in terrain and rocks and landmarks and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It maybe this is just my land lubb or bias,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seems like that kind of thing probably comes

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<v Speaker 1>more intuitively. It's more just sort of like a biological

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<v Speaker 1>default to recognize landmarks like plants and rocks and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Then it would be to memorize the stars

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<v Speaker 1>as your landmarks for guidance. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it almost feels like sailing through the space. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Though of course there's going to be plenty concerning the

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<v Speaker 1>water itself and the and uh and other environmental cues

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<v Speaker 1>that will get to But but certainly at this point

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the podcast, it's easy to to almost

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<v Speaker 1>think of these as space voyages because of the degree

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<v Speaker 1>of focus that must be placed on the stars, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so experienced specific navigators can use these rising and

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<v Speaker 1>setting guide stars to form this extremely accurate mental compass.

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis gives one example of one of his voyages with

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<v Speaker 1>the navigator TVAK, and he says, quote, by these obliquely

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<v Speaker 1>sinking stars, he was able to inform me that during

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<v Speaker 1>the evening that the wind had backed from southeast to

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<v Speaker 1>south southeast. I seriously doubted the accuracy of his observation

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<v Speaker 1>until Canopus, topping the horizon on a bearing of a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty three degrees exactly in line with our stern,

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed that we were in fact dead on course and

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<v Speaker 1>that the wind had changed. Now, there's another variation on

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<v Speaker 1>idea of guide stars for navigation that is known as

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<v Speaker 1>the sidereal compass. That is basically like a a view

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<v Speaker 1>of the night sky that identifies particular rising or setting

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<v Speaker 1>stars with points on an imagined compass. Again, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a piece of equipment, an external tool. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a compass in the brain that has a picture a

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<v Speaker 1>mental map of the stars and how the stars along

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon will give you information about north, southeast, and west. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the basic primary methods of navigation by stars,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously in practice it's a lot more complicated, So

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<v Speaker 1>a few examples. Of course, there is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>adjusting the course to compensate for variations and currents and winds,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be adaptable for for celestial orientation markers. When

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<v Speaker 1>part of the sky is obscured, for example by clouds,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll mention more about that in a minute. There's

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<v Speaker 1>another thing that's a complication with the use of guide

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<v Speaker 1>stars for navigation, which is the seasonality of guide stars. Uh. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the availability of guide stars varies with the seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>because the sidereal day is actually twenty three hours and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six minutes long, not twenty four hours. So each

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<v Speaker 1>star rises and sets four minutes earlier each night. And

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<v Speaker 1>as you can imagine, as this builds up over time,

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<v Speaker 1>you're actually going to be having different star maps available

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<v Speaker 1>to you as the year goes on. So in illustrating this,

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis writes that quote Tevak told me that the sailing

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<v Speaker 1>season in the Santa Cruz group lasted all year round,

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<v Speaker 1>and that there were appropriate steering stars for each time

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<v Speaker 1>of year. Similarly, when two two indicated the stars for

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<v Speaker 1>the Nomuka Tonga Tapoo passage, he stressed that the ones

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<v Speaker 1>he was showing me were usable only up to about September,

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<v Speaker 1>after which new stars and sailing directions had to be used.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only do you have to understand this whole

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<v Speaker 1>star map and its relations and ship to the island geography,

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<v Speaker 1>but also if you if you're sailing across different seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to have the seasonal backups in mind as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's even more to to take into account. One thing,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, is wind and leeway, So experience navigators will

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<v Speaker 1>have a mental map to reach their destination that must

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<v Speaker 1>include compensation for leeway. You know, the sideward drift of

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<v Speaker 1>a boat as it is is blown sort of off

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<v Speaker 1>course by wind. So if the navigator knows that the

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<v Speaker 1>destination is under a particular star, but there is a

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<v Speaker 1>known and relatively dependable amount of southerly drift on the

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<v Speaker 1>journey due to prevailing winds and currents, they actually have

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<v Speaker 1>to aim a certain amount north of the guide star.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, Yeah, and that's just for permanent drifts.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also sort of more ad hoc compensation that has

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<v Speaker 1>to take place along the way as well. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of the big things that that really struck me about

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<v Speaker 1>this was how how much it inverts the logic of

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<v Speaker 1>nighttime now vigation versus daytime navigation. You know, uh, well, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how how would you think, what do you think would

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<v Speaker 1>be the best time to try to get somewhere. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you would probably think it's in the day, right when

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<v Speaker 1>you can see where you need to go. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is much easier to use the highly dependable celestial navigation

0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.080
<v Speaker 1>techniques of of the Pacific Islander navigation lore at night

0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.720
<v Speaker 1>than it is in the daytime. There there's still tools

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<v Speaker 1>they use in the daytime, and I'll talk about those

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute. Um. But even when the stars are

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<v Speaker 1>largely obscured by clouds, an experience navigator can usually use

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<v Speaker 1>some stars in the sky to orient and to get

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<v Speaker 1>onto the correct bearing, for example, by noting which stars

0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.640
<v Speaker 1>might lie it's a nine d degrees to the course, etcetera. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it almost sounds like you would you would

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<v Speaker 1>probably want to leave the shore, you know, around dusk,

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<v Speaker 1>um and uh, and then once and then hopefully you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're out to see by the time the stars have

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<v Speaker 1>come out. Right. Well, there's actually there's a good bit

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<v Speaker 1>of thought about when are the best times to arrive

0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and depart. So they talked about, Yeah, I think it's

0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.280
<v Speaker 1>usually customary to leave during the daytime. And one of

0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the main reasons it's important to leave during the daytime

0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.080
<v Speaker 1>is uh, not only that people can be notified and

0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.719
<v Speaker 1>you can say prepare things to take along with you.

0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.440
<v Speaker 1>That same day like fresh food, and you can say

0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:25.080
<v Speaker 1>your farewells to people during the daytime, but you can

0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.360
<v Speaker 1>also look back at the island you're leaving from to

0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.840
<v Speaker 1>get back bearings, right, So you can make use of

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<v Speaker 1>of the land for your navigation for as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it's feasible. Right. And it's also usually considered important to

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<v Speaker 1>arrive at your destination during the daytime because one of

0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the great perils actually of Pacific navigation is accidentally missing

0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.200
<v Speaker 1>your target in the dark. If you sail past the

0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.680
<v Speaker 1>island in the dark and you don't realize you've done it,

0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.360
<v Speaker 1>that can be uh that that could be a death sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of interesting while you're out on the

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<v Speaker 1>open ocean, navigating at night is ideal. That's you know,

0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:07.160
<v Speaker 1>where you get these accurate guide stars. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's often considered good to leave the island during the

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<v Speaker 1>daytime and to arrive at your destination during the daytime

0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.080
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes uh and there might be some exceptions to that,

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<v Speaker 1>but those seemed to be some general principles that were

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<v Speaker 1>observed at least that Lewis mentioned and uh and so

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<v Speaker 1>that would require very careful timing of the journey, right,

0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Like you need to know pretty much exactly how long

0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.200
<v Speaker 1>it's going to take, how many days, so that you

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<v Speaker 1>can time it out like that. And just as one

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<v Speaker 1>example about the dangers of missing an island at night,

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<v Speaker 1>uh Lewis talks about at least one of the navigators

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<v Speaker 1>he worked with having a practice of when you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>close to the island and it's really dark out, sometimes

0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.800
<v Speaker 1>they would just stop sailing. They would slow down. They

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<v Speaker 1>would uh it's called heaving to, you know, they would

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<v Speaker 1>heave to to slow the progress of the boat, just

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<v Speaker 1>to be super careful that they didn't accidentally, say, sail

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<v Speaker 1>between two islands unnoticed in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>But while the nighttime star navigation is the most accurate

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<v Speaker 1>thing to use, there are clues you can use for

0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.320
<v Speaker 1>navigation in the daytime as well. For example, you can

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<v Speaker 1>use the sun. It's more difficult to use the sun,

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<v Speaker 1>but it can be done. Uh. And it's more difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for a number of reasons. First of all, there's only

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<v Speaker 1>one of it, and its position can vary a lot

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<v Speaker 1>over the seasons. Right. Unlike the stars, the relative position

0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Sun on the horizon of Earth has a

0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.600
<v Speaker 1>lot more variability. But even with the seasonal variability of

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<v Speaker 1>the sun's position, you can still use it to navigate

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<v Speaker 1>by pairing it with external reference to the stars. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was one of the many moments in this book.

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<v Speaker 1>It gave me that like, oh, of course kind of feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was one of them. So uh So, Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>writes at one point about another scholar who had been

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<v Speaker 1>writing about Pacific navigation uh named Aker Blom. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>quote Aker Blom surprisingly asserts that to achieve a satisfactory

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<v Speaker 1>degree of accuracy when checking the course by means of

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<v Speaker 1>the bearing of the rising or setting sun, the Polynesian

0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:06.080
<v Speaker 1>navigator must necessarily have had access to some form of

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<v Speaker 1>memorized table of the changes in the sun's asimuth. So

0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.240
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, changes in rising and setting patterns over

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<v Speaker 1>the seasons. But contrary to that, Lewis says, all the

0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.879
<v Speaker 1>navigator actually needs, of course, are his eyes and a

0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.520
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of the stars. The sun star comparison could be

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<v Speaker 1>made twice in each day if one were so minded.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the sun is rising or setting, you can

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<v Speaker 1>check its orientation with respect to the stars that appear,

0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, before or after it, and then you can

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<v Speaker 1>basically know where on the horizon it is rising or

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<v Speaker 1>setting at this time of year. Wow. Yeah, thank Now

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<v Speaker 1>there are other methods of maintaining course setting during the

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<v Speaker 1>daytime that are again more difficult than the nighttime, but

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<v Speaker 1>still possible. And another method that I thought was really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting was steering by ocean swells. And they're actually two

0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.840
<v Speaker 1>different uses here. Um, So there's one thing, which is

0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.360
<v Speaker 1>navigation by swells in the open water. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>out you know, no side of land anywhere nearby, you

0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.360
<v Speaker 1>can use ocean swells to help you do direction finding,

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<v Speaker 1>just like you would use the sun or the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>But in addition to that, using the swells is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a land finding technique. It changes in how the ocean

0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.920
<v Speaker 1>swells are affected by nearby land masses can be used

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<v Speaker 1>to locate islands that are nearby, and this is something

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<v Speaker 1>we'll probably talk about more in the next part of

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<v Speaker 1>this of this series. But what does it mean to

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<v Speaker 1>steer by swells in the daytime? Well, swells are permanent

0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.960
<v Speaker 1>wave patterns with specific cardinal origin points, which are associated

0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:46.439
<v Speaker 1>not with waves kicked up by transient weather, but with

0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:52.080
<v Speaker 1>strong and persistent wind patterns associated with specific permanent weather systems.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, the trade winds or what or what a

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<v Speaker 1>Louis calls the southern Ocean belt of strong westerly's. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we can sort of loosely imagine like

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<v Speaker 1>a recreation of a basic form of this, you know,

0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.840
<v Speaker 1>in some sort of a model or simulation, if you

0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.080
<v Speaker 1>had a body of water and you had to say

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<v Speaker 1>a fan or something creating some sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of disturbance across the surface, and it it was regular,

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<v Speaker 1>what would happen if you then dropped some islands in there?

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<v Speaker 1>It could disrupt the waves, especially in if we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking in in the actual ocean, in the form of

0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:33.840
<v Speaker 1>long ocean waves as they bend around land masses. And

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<v Speaker 1>and this wave disruption can be identified by a skilled eye,

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<v Speaker 1>enabling them to detect land hundreds of kilometers wave, and

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<v Speaker 1>which is is pretty amazing, right, And so that's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind that would be used specifically for the land finding, right.

0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.879
<v Speaker 1>But you can also use the ce swells like you

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<v Speaker 1>would use the stars to get directional orientation to know

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<v Speaker 1>which direction is north, southeast or west without a compass,

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you know basically what direction c swell that

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<v Speaker 1>is permanent and reliable comes from, you can detect that

0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:10.200
<v Speaker 1>swell and then no, okay, that way is south southeast. Right.

0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.560
<v Speaker 1>So so now we have not only the stars above,

0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:17.440
<v Speaker 1>but also uh, the wave patterns the c swells as well. Right,

0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.760
<v Speaker 1>So these permanent weather patterns, they originate in a fairly

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<v Speaker 1>consistent direction from your location. Now, part of the ignorant

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<v Speaker 1>land dweller in me is just incredulous here, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm out in a boat on the ocean, waves

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<v Speaker 1>seem utterly random to me. I could not I could

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<v Speaker 1>not identify that waves are coming from a particular direction.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, but they're not well, unless it's coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a ski do right, then you are motor boat

0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.920
<v Speaker 1>that's coming by then it's pretty clear what's creating the distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point. But you know, just the general

0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.880
<v Speaker 1>choppy wave patterns of the ocean, I wouldn't have any

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<v Speaker 1>idea what to do. But if you are trained in

0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:56.520
<v Speaker 1>knowing what to look for, you actually can identify particular

0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:01.120
<v Speaker 1>wave patterns or swell patterns. Lou actually makes a distinction

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.600
<v Speaker 1>between waves and swells. Um. But but they're not just random.

0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:08.960
<v Speaker 1>The system of orientation based on swells is not as

0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.760
<v Speaker 1>reliable as the stars, but it's still pretty reliable, so

0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the question would be, well, how do you detect them?

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<v Speaker 1>One interesting fact is that the navigators Lewis learned from

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to consult the swells based on feeling them in

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the body more so than looking at them, which means

0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.879
<v Speaker 1>that they can be used to steer not only in

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the daytime, but on overcast nights. So when the stars

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.520
<v Speaker 1>are completely hidden, that's your main orientation tool gone and

0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:41.240
<v Speaker 1>there's no light to see, you could still potentially feel

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:46.600
<v Speaker 1>the directional swells and get an orientation based on that. Wow.

0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.320
<v Speaker 1>If that's interesting and it makes perfect sense. So how

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel swells? Well, there's a part in Lewis's

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<v Speaker 1>book where he talks about this. He says, quote Tek

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<v Speaker 1>told me he would sometimes retire to the hut on

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<v Speaker 1>his canoes out rigger platform, where you could lie down

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and without distraction, more readily direct the helmsman onto the

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<v Speaker 1>proper course by analyzing the roll and pitch of the

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:13.640
<v Speaker 1>vessel as it cork screwed over the waves. In distinguishing swells,

0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.920
<v Speaker 1>he stressed, you have to wait patiently until the one

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:20.720
<v Speaker 1>you want has a spell of being prominent and discernible.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is a lot of noise in the waves, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of conflicting, you know, wave wave

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.880
<v Speaker 1>action coming in different directions, but there's a certain pattern

0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:34.200
<v Speaker 1>you can recognize from a known swell, And once there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's the right kind of timing in the wave

0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.200
<v Speaker 1>action for you to identify the pattern of that known

0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.959
<v Speaker 1>directional swell. You can orient based on that. And this

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<v Speaker 1>would be again done by feeling it in the body

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<v Speaker 1>and feeling the direction of the rolling of the boat.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you think about how a boat moves in

0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the waves, it can pitch, it can move up and down,

0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:58.199
<v Speaker 1>forward to back, and it can roll from side to side,

0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>and the interaction of pitch and roll will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>something about the direction that the swell is coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, in saying that this type of navigation method

0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 1>is more reliable than it sounds, I also don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to overstate or understate the difficulty of detecting it right

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 1>that there there is a lot of noisy wave of

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 1>action going on in the ocean, so somebody has to

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<v Speaker 1>be really experienced and know what it is they're feeling

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 1>for in order to feel it. And I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to read one section of Lewis talking about attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>understand what's going on with the navigation based on swells.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh he writes, quote the course toward Tomaco was east northeast,

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<v Speaker 1>directly into the cea swell that came from the same

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.920
<v Speaker 1>direction that it was only present or at any rate

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<v Speaker 1>detectable occasionally at such times it could be picked out

0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:50.880
<v Speaker 1>by I, and as the ship rode up and over it,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning pitched without any role at all, except when the

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 1>steep northerly wind wave happened to coincide when the boat

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the SPOR was rolled to starboard at the same moment

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 1>as she was pitching over the head on C swell.

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<v Speaker 1>In those long intervals where the C swell was absent,

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the wind wave rolled us to starboard about once every

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 1>five seconds without there being any pitching component. I could

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>feel little effect from the southeast or northwest swells. After nightfall,

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>we steered by the stars, the swells remaining unchanged except

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:28.200
<v Speaker 1>that the wind wave declined. So that's about like trying

0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to understand that they're different. In fact, there are multiple

0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:34.879
<v Speaker 1>swells at any given time, probably hitting you from different directions,

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and so the experience navigator is looking for a particular

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 1>type of swell. You know that you could actually make

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:46.919
<v Speaker 1>the same journey potentially and look for different swells to

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.399
<v Speaker 1>steer you in aid of it. You just have to

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.120
<v Speaker 1>know which ones you're feeling for. And that goes back

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:55.119
<v Speaker 1>to the example you mentioned earlier about just like like

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 1>setting there or laying there on the boat and just

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:01.359
<v Speaker 1>waiting to to feel the one you're looking for. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just Okay, the waves are hitting me, I got

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the pattern. No, you're looking for the specific pattern amid

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the noise or amid the waves right when there may

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.680
<v Speaker 1>be multiple patterns coming at you at the same time.

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>You're just trying to pick the right one out, get

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>the timing right to understand, yes, this is it. But

0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>as you were talking about earlier, I think it's important

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to remember and again we'll we'll get more into this

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 1>in the next episode. The ability to detect and measure

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>swells and their direction of origin is not useful just

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>in steering on the open ocean, but it's also one

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:34.439
<v Speaker 1>of the techniques for understanding wind land is near. Now,

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 1>there are a couple of other things that are really

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 1>interesting about navigating on the open ocean. There's one more

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>orientation technique that is even less reliable than the others,

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 1>but it is sometimes still used as a backup. That's

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<v Speaker 1>known as the wind compass, So it's it's basically operating

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>on the presence of known wind patterns to give you

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 1>indications about about directionality. So you might, for example, use

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<v Speaker 1>the aid of a tool here in external tool like

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>a pennant, the you know, kind of flag object that

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>would allow you to determine patterns of winds and where

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>they come from. And if you know that there are

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>certain dominant patterns of winds, you can kind of use

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>that to give you another data point in orienting your

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>boat in the right direction. Now there's a whole other

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>world of ad hoc adjustment that needs to take place

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.719
<v Speaker 1>on top of everything we've already been talking about. You know,

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>basically everything we've been talking about is getting the correct bearing,

0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>knowing you're going in the right direction towards your target

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>island based on your starting point. But of course, in sailing,

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.119
<v Speaker 1>you can't always just sail in a straight line. Right

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Winds and ocean currents will gradually shift you off course,

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 1>and you have to understand how that's happening and compensate

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>for it, which again this is one of those things

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.439
<v Speaker 1>where I just like react to that thinking like it

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 1>seems impossible, how could you do it? But but they

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 1>have methods that they can do it. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of methods here at For example, one that

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I really liked. Lewis discusses on the first stage of

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:09.160
<v Speaker 1>one journey with hip Hoor, departing from pula wat hip

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>or would keep track of back bearings on the island

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.919
<v Speaker 1>that they were leaving to see how the current was

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 1>affecting their heading. So you have the reference point of

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.439
<v Speaker 1>the island, landmarks the island you're leaving, and then you

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>can see from your heading as you're leaving the island

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>how strong the current is at the moment. And then,

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.399
<v Speaker 1>to to read from Louis here quote if said hip

0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Hoor it turned out, on further observation to be weak,

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 1>we would head towards the point where vegas set, which

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>is about at three hundred and nine degrees. If strong,

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>as proved to be the case, towards the setting point

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of the plea d s at about two hundred and

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 1>eighty five degrees. Thus there were at least two distinct

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>star courses traditionally laid down for this passage, and probably

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>four to allow for strong and weak south flowing currents.

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 1>This was a north flowing aren't So not only do

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:05.239
<v Speaker 1>you need to know the right headings for for the

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 1>island you need to get to under you know, basically

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>like neutral conditions, you also have to know what headings

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you would use if the current is a certain strength

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>in a certain direction and the corresponding guide stars. Of course, um,

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 1>but so if the wind or current is moving you

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 1>laterally off course while steering in the open ocean, and

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 1>so you don't have like, you know, back bearings like

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 1>an island to refer to, how would you even know it?

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 1>How do you know how far off course you're getting

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 1>blown by the wind. This was another moment where the

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>technique was revealed and I was like, oh, of course,

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought this method was ingenious. Some of the navigators

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>here would look at the wake left behind by the boat.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>So if if leeway I mean you know, wind, the

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>blowing the boat sideways in addition to forward, if leeway

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>is affecting your course, one way to judge this is

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>by looking at the degree of the angle between the

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>straight line you're attempting to steer on. So you can

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>imagine a straight line going from the stern to the

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>bow of the boat, you know, and just going off

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>towards the horizon in every direction. Look at the angle

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>between that line and the trail of wake left behind you.

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>This might be kind of hard to visualize without a

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>without a picture, so I'm sorry, but Rob, I've got

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a picture for you to look at. Here you can

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>see that there's actually an angle of difference in between

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>the wake behind the boat as you're getting blown off

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 1>course and the straight line that you are attempting to

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>steer on. Yeah, you can imagine it is looking back

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and saying, not a straight wake behind you, going back

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>to you know, to just directly behind you, as if

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>it is a line drawn from the rear of the vessel,

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>but something that is diagonal because because of the way

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the wind is blowing the vessel from the side right.

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>So by seeing that angle and how large it is,

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>a master navigator is able to correct for the amount

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of leeway that they're being blown off course. Thank thank you. Now,

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>there's a huge thing that we haven't gotten into in

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>detail yet here, but a big section of Lewis's book

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 1>is about the Pacific navigation forms of dead reckoning and

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>dead reckoning is estimating the position of your boat without

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>reference to any new markers around you, but rather by

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>knowing your past position and estimating how far you have

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>traveled from there and in what direction. So this is

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>crucial to keeping track of your journey. But this is

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>a different thing because it's not giving you new information

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>from your surroundings. It's rather a sort of keeping track

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of your position on a mental map by just using

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the information already in your possession. And one mental tool

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that seems to help with this process and Pacific navigation

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 1>has been referred to as attack. Again, this is not

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 1>a means of acquire ring new information from the environment,

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>but rather a visualization or a mental reference system for

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>understanding one's place in relation to other things. Unfortunately, this

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>is yet another concept that is kind of hard to

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>explain without visual aids. But Rob, I've got a visual

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>aid for you to look at here, and I will

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>do my best to try to explain it. Basically, it

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>hinges on having this mastery of relationships between stars, vantage points,

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and various geographical locations, specifically islands on in the nearby surroundings.

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>So it's a point of analogy imagine that you want

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>to travel between New York and Chicago by stars. One

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 1>way that I can help understand where I am along

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 1>my journey is if I have a third reference point

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>in mind. So let's say Atlanta. So I know that

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I start in New York, and when I start in

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>New York, I know from where I am, Atlanta is

0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>going to be under Star A. From my point of views.

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>If I wanted to travel to Atlanta, I would take

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>my beer, I would head towards Star A on the horizon.

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>But by the time I reached Chicago, now, because I'm

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 1>at a different vantage point, Atlanta is underneath Star C

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.239
<v Speaker 1>from my point of view. And there's a midpoint in

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>between Chicago and New York where Atlanta from my vantage

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>point is underneath Star B. So the whole time I

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>never see Atlanta. But this mental reference system allows me

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to break my journey into recognizable segments where I keep

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.479
<v Speaker 1>track of each time the third reference island or in

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>my analogy, Atlanta has moved under a new star from

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 1>my point of view. Does that make sense? Yeah, I

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>think so. And this this visual reference helps a bed. Yeah,

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry you folks at home can't see it. But uh, actually,

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you do, if you do just a

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Google search for ETACH reference points, I don't think you

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>will find the exact um illustration that I'm looking at,

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>but you'll see some that are similar to They give

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 1>you an idea of what we're talking about. It's e

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>T a K. Though it's complicated by the fact that

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 1>this appears also to be the name of a like

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a car navigation system uh software. So if you if

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>you google atak islands there you'll see the right illustrations. Yeah. Yeah,

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>that'll cut out some of the car stuff. But I

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>think this system is is also really interesting because it

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it still is important to think of it

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>as a useful tool for navigation, even though it provides

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>no additional information to the navigator. Instead, what it is

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 1>is it seems to be that it's useful as a

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>system for mentally keeping track of the information you already have,

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 1>for knowing how far you've come, where you are, and

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>how far you have left to go. Uh, which is

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting because I mean, obviously that's an important part of

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>of any travel, right is sort of vision ualizing the

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>whole of your journey in ways they're not immediately apparent

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>to your senses. Yeah, and I guess as in modern

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:11.399
<v Speaker 1>travelers with modern instruments, be it at sea or on land. Yeah,

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 1>we're still engaging in some level of that. We still

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>have some level of a mental map, but we have

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>these other tools that make our mental map less important.

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe sometimes the mental map is even incorrect. Like you know,

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're lying heavily on a GPS device

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 1>to drive you from one point to the other. I

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 1>guess you could theoretically not know if you're really driving

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>north or west or south or what have you, as

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 1>long as the system got you there. But in this case,

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>the mental map is everything. The Milton in the mental

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>map has to be carefully cultivated using uh knowledge of

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:51.919
<v Speaker 1>all of these environmental cues, these different systems. Uh, it's

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>it's really quite quite amazing. Uh it's uh yeah, it's

0:34:56.120 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it's it's something else. So when you're driving somewhere knew

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that you've never been before with the aid of a GPS,

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, like a map, SAP on a phone or something,

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>can can you just plug it in and go or

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>do you, like me strongly prefer to look at the

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>whole route first. Um, I tend to just go the

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 1>same way I do recipes for meals. It's just I

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 1>just trust that. I mean, I look and to make

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>sure I have what I need. In the same case,

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>I'll look at my gas tank and make sure have

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 1>enough gas to get where I'm going. I'll see how

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>much how long it says it's gonna take for me

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 1>to get there, But then I'll just go. I'll just

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 1>start cooking, or I'll or I'll just start driving and

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.879
<v Speaker 1>trust that I will get there and I'll figure out

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>on the way of there any snacks. This must be

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.839
<v Speaker 1>differences in personality types somehow, I guess I'm I'm more

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>annoying about this or something. I really don't like having

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>to navigate based on just a moment to moment directions

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 1>on an app without seeing the entire route first. I

0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>like to look at the whole map, see what the

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>steps are, see how far it is, see like, see

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.720
<v Speaker 1>it visually represented. That really matters to me for some reason.

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I might glance at it if if I

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>know there's going to be some weird exit, if it

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>says that, oh, I'm getting off at this exit, and

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 1>normally I don't do that. I'm kind of curious what

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>route I'm taking then, but otherwise I just go, well,

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>you know. The weird thing is, I think one reason

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 1>I do that, it's not like it usually gives me

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>important information that I actually need in addition to whatever

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the step by step instructions in real time are. Instead,

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's something closer to the attack system,

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 1>where I just want to be able to visualize in

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>this abstract way the whole of the journey and sort

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 1>of imagine where I am along the journey at various points.

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 1>M yeah, but I feel like I'm going to do

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>that anyway as I drive, Like there's kind of a

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 1>perhaps a less accurate version of that that's going to

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 1>be going on in my head, but it says it's

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>as accurate as it needs to be. Like if the

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 1>GPS satellite sort suddenly get taken out by aliens or something, um,

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I could I get backtrack, or even if

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 1>it's if I've driven this particular route before, I can

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:11.280
<v Speaker 1>probably remember the rest of the way. Um. But otherwise

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm good. Well, I wonder if we should call Part

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>two there and then come back in part three to

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.359
<v Speaker 1>talk about one of the next really interesting things which

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>is all of this has been mostly about navigation, direction

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 1>finding and navigation, especially on the open sea, but a

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 1>whole other part of this science of navigation is land finding.

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>When you're getting close to an island, how do you

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>know that? And how do you find it? And so

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>let's save that for part three. Yeah, part three, we

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.919
<v Speaker 1>will we will make landfall or try to make landfall appropriately,

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.239
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