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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones on a peaceful, easy Sunday
Speaker 1: morning in Oxnard, California. Welcome to Talking Cowboys. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: been a very nice morning and it's gonna get very
Speaker 1: active on the field behind us here at the river
Speaker 1: Ridge Complex, the Mary Odd Residence in in Oxnard. And uh,
Speaker 1: we welcome you here to Talking Cowboys. How's everybody doing
Speaker 1: this morning? Doing well? Fantastic. We gotta workout in over there, right.
Speaker 1: I took a bike, took a bike ride and you
Speaker 1: got out a ways and then realize, oh, we got
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys this morning. I have to shower and I
Speaker 1: probably didn't want me here with my bike helmet on,
Speaker 1: scamper back. Yeah yeah, Jersey, they got in uh in
Speaker 1: Marseille yesterday when he was on the cobblestone cobblestones of
Speaker 1: Brubet should have seen me firing along. And then Brian
Speaker 1: got his workout as usual. Six am sharp, thank you.
Speaker 1: I actually was in there a little later this morning
Speaker 1: at seven am. And then there's Rob, the youngest one
Speaker 1: in the group and also the laziest. I slept in
Speaker 1: until yeah exactly, so I mean it's in the until
Speaker 1: you slept in. Yeah. One of these days you'll understand
Speaker 1: that in order to keep that shapely figure there, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: you're going to have to work out. Well, that's that'll
Speaker 1: be about two decades away. That's right. I got a
Speaker 1: little time left to be rush into anything. It's all right,
Speaker 1: tasteful and easy, huh. Like the lyrics to us the
Speaker 1: right believe right right? Who's gonna sing it? No one thing,
Speaker 1: no one here. So we're trying to shed the pads
Speaker 1: and shed the pounds. And they put on the pads
Speaker 1: here yesterday, but the first time, so that was the
Speaker 1: official start of training camp two thousand and eight. There
Speaker 1: you got the music right from there, you go, who's
Speaker 1: gonna sing it? Yeah? Oh no good? Yeah. Um, So
Speaker 1: the officials start of training camp yesterday with the pads
Speaker 1: put on. I did it feel like the start of
Speaker 1: training Yes, it did. There's a much larger crowd there
Speaker 1: on Saturday afternoon, random opening. Yeah. Uh, people showed up.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when I was peddling real
Speaker 1: fast back on my bike, there were already two cars
Speaker 1: in line at nine o clock in the morning and
Speaker 1: they don't open the gates till eleven. Did you really
Speaker 1: forget about the show? No? I didn't forget. I just
Speaker 1: lost track of the time. You know, you start going
Speaker 1: and going and going, and it's like, oh, you gotta
Speaker 1: come back to now, yeah, uber, yeah, right, coming back,
Speaker 1: let's go. It was a pat crowd out there yesterday
Speaker 1: and the players were ready for it too. Xavier Wood
Speaker 1: said after the morning walk through, which was a special
Speaker 1: team's walk through, and the guys who didn't take part
Speaker 1: in it did some yoga for forty five minutes well
Speaker 1: and then and then the special teamers did yoga. They
Speaker 1: did they did too. After that, I think Wood said
Speaker 1: something like, we gotta hit somebody. We're ready to hit somebody.
Speaker 1: They've been doing this type of stuff for you know,
Speaker 1: months now, basically no no real contact so um or
Speaker 1: at least these last couple of days, no compete stuff.
Speaker 1: So it was good to see him get back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and and Jason Garrett even talked about this
Speaker 1: with a team that doesn't have a lot of veterans,
Speaker 1: it has a lot of young guys. You have to
Speaker 1: figure out ways how to practice in pats. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't have guys falling all over the place, falling
Speaker 1: on the ground, getting each other hurt and stuff. So
Speaker 1: that's gonna take a little good. They could be excited
Speaker 1: about that. Some guy probably wake up today with a
Speaker 1: little soreness in the neck area, you know, in the
Speaker 1: shoulder area and stuff. But but I think overall, when
Speaker 1: you watch the practice, I think the coaches got exactly
Speaker 1: what they wanted out of it. I thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be when we were sitting in the press conferences,
Speaker 1: help warm it was. And I'm thinking, Okay, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get a practice this afternoon where he's gonna get some heat,
Speaker 1: and the next and yeah and so and but but again,
Speaker 1: it makes these guys the reason you come here so
Speaker 1: you can practice in pads. And I'm watching around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm watching, you know, the NFL networking teams are in
Speaker 1: you know these places like in Virginia and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: The Giants are dealing with some heat. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: all these teams are dealing with stuff. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's nice to come out here and be able to concentrate,
Speaker 1: have good hard practice and then get something out of it.
Speaker 1: I think that's what the coaches were probably the most excited,
Speaker 1: either the Red Skins or the Packers. One of the
Speaker 1: teams canceled their afternoon practice today because it was too hot.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why, but anyway, they've already
Speaker 1: here we are, the third day at camp. Well, I
Speaker 1: know this morning, sitting there at breakfast watching the Redskins
Speaker 1: were practicing, so I you know it again, they're they're
Speaker 1: ways of doing this. You guys covered training camps in
Speaker 1: Oxnard and Wichita Falls and places like that, and I
Speaker 1: just think this is such a great environment for specially
Speaker 1: for pads. If you're gonna if you're gonna have hard
Speaker 1: physical practices, you know, give the players a chance to compete.
Speaker 1: Don't make him have to survive the practice. Survive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I and I and I with the young team,
Speaker 1: he's going to teach him how to practice. He's got
Speaker 1: to teach him how to you know, you know, Connor
Speaker 1: Williams and and and those guys and you know Layton Banners.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to teach these guys how to practice.
Speaker 1: They know how to practice at Texas and the Boys
Speaker 1: in places like that. But he's got guys got to
Speaker 1: learn how to practice for Jason Garrett and his's coach.
Speaker 1: I know. Daryl Johnson says now that looking back at
Speaker 1: those training camps in Austin, they were physically drained as
Speaker 1: a team by the end of the camp, you know.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I thought was good the
Speaker 1: way they used to do it, you know, And I
Speaker 1: a going back and say, oh, it was better then.
Speaker 1: But when they were in Thousand Oaks and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would bring in all those free agents rookies, they would
Speaker 1: bring him in for two a week like six and
Speaker 1: let the let the young guys get all that exuberance
Speaker 1: out of him. That way, when the veterans come in,
Speaker 1: somebody doesn't take a cheap shot and a veteran and
Speaker 1: get him hurt. I remember that happened the year before. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not like Brian said, you got to learn to
Speaker 1: practice in pads. And I remember in eighty nine or
Speaker 1: ninety uh, it was the first practice and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had signed a free agent running back. Um he was
Speaker 1: from How are they traded for him. He was from
Speaker 1: Nebraska and it was ninety because it was Stans Magala
Speaker 1: of safety they drafted. First practice, he takes a hit
Speaker 1: on the sideline right on the guy's knee, and he's
Speaker 1: out for the year. I am hip, No, it was
Speaker 1: I am to get that's no, it's not a bad guess.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't ROSI first one. But it probably wasn't available,
Speaker 1: but I might have been, and so and and and
Speaker 1: that was just kind of an indication that in Thousand
Speaker 1: Oaks they would bring those guys in early and let
Speaker 1: that get that out of them, because you don't want
Speaker 1: to hurt your veterans, especially now. Well, and you said
Speaker 1: it built. There were some guys on the ground yesterday
Speaker 1: and I think it was the inside run drills. Guys were,
Speaker 1: guys were going to the ground. They don't Coaches hate
Speaker 1: to see that. Yeah, don't see anybody get hurt. But
Speaker 1: as far as the weather goes, it's really conducive for
Speaker 1: getting work done. I'm sure Jason Garret would like to
Speaker 1: go two days in this kind of weather if you
Speaker 1: can't just get his team ready, but the CBA does
Speaker 1: not allow that. It's not like the old Jimmy days well.
Speaker 1: And then also of the fact the first two days
Speaker 1: out here when they didn't add the pads on the coaches,
Speaker 1: he was having to coach the coaches to let's get creative,
Speaker 1: to make keep the energy up at bright because everyone
Speaker 1: everyone went, as Jason put it, everyone was chomping at
Speaker 1: the bit to put the pads on and let's get
Speaker 1: after it now. And so Brian, right off the top,
Speaker 1: what's your one takeaway from padge put on yesterday? I
Speaker 1: thought the offensive line overall was outstanding. And if you
Speaker 1: go back and you watch what they were able to do,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about really the first line, and then
Speaker 1: there's some backup guys that got some opportunities. But if
Speaker 1: you went back and watched the one on one pass
Speaker 1: rush drill, they really did not sniff the defensive line.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's a good thing or
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Good thing is the offensive line looks
Speaker 1: like they're you know, I was really impressed with Connor
Speaker 1: Williams right out of the blocks. He had two really
Speaker 1: good reps. Four good reps. Actually, you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: fourth one was a little shaky with the hands, but
Speaker 1: you know, getting him inside you know, we've talked about
Speaker 1: Connor when he has problems, he gets a little bit
Speaker 1: over extended. But I like what I really saw from
Speaker 1: that group overall, Travis Frederick, Zach Martin. Now I will
Speaker 1: say this though, if you want to flip something on
Speaker 1: the other side, the one guy that did have really
Speaker 1: the most problems was Lyle Collins was having to deal
Speaker 1: with the Marcus Lawrence and the Marcus Lawrence looked like
Speaker 1: he was in week six to play reached and he
Speaker 1: set him up with two different rushes and he made
Speaker 1: he made Collins be a one legged football player a
Speaker 1: couple of different times. And Collins when he's good, I
Speaker 1: mean it's hands, it's feet, it's everything. But he kind
Speaker 1: of broke him down a couple of different times. That
Speaker 1: that part of it was if you wanted to say, okay,
Speaker 1: offensive line good, but one era now the defensive line
Speaker 1: that was good would with me would be the way
Speaker 1: that DeMarcus Lawrence rushed the passers, the opportunities that he
Speaker 1: got offensive line. I was impressed. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're right back the way they're supposed to be and
Speaker 1: they didn't suffer any drop off with Connor Williams in
Speaker 1: there he's got he's got really good feet. He moves
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, and and he didn't you know, and
Speaker 1: and I think you know, Brian, we had you had
Speaker 1: been pointing out that if he's going to have trouble,
Speaker 1: it's going to be his strength. And he kind of
Speaker 1: leans over, but it seems like okay, but he compensates
Speaker 1: with it with his feet. He keeps moving. He could
Speaker 1: get out of him He could run himself out of
Speaker 1: a problem, he say, with running backs can run themselves
Speaker 1: out of problems. He can use his feet to get
Speaker 1: himself out of problem. He gets over extend, like Mickey says,
Speaker 1: he can recover with wide bass and get get narrow
Speaker 1: based quick to compensate. But yeah, it was overall. I
Speaker 1: was expecting a little bit of that. Okay, first rep
Speaker 1: too excited, be a little too us but head was
Speaker 1: back but was right in there. Yeah. And then you know,
Speaker 1: and then you get him and Zach Martin and those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just the defensive line, as hard as
Speaker 1: they tried to rush, really couldn't get anything, with the
Speaker 1: exception of Lawrence. Lawrence was like, Okay, I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: really wide and he put he put Lyle Collins in
Speaker 1: some tough situation just and they and the other thing
Speaker 1: that the defense tried to do, they played, tried to
Speaker 1: play some games and he and and if it was
Speaker 1: Tyran Smith over there, they were passing guys off and
Speaker 1: he didn't overreact and started chasing, So yeah, good on him. Also,
Speaker 1: I thought, and it's hard to tell in that I
Speaker 1: was just watching the wide receivers do their drills. I
Speaker 1: was pretty impressed. Guys were catching the ball. It was
Speaker 1: rarely on the ground, and I know they were thrown
Speaker 1: against air early in practice, but the quarterbacks were putting
Speaker 1: the ball where it needed to do and these guys
Speaker 1: were snatching the ball and and Sanjay Law was just
Speaker 1: watching every step those guys took to be able to
Speaker 1: cut come back, and um, it looked like a good group.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, Tavon Austin can run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got he's got nobody else. Yes, Well you know what, Rob,
Speaker 1: It was funny. I was sitting there and they were
Speaker 1: doing punt returns right and I think Trey Williams was
Speaker 1: out there, and Beasley was out there. There was someone
Speaker 1: else and Tavon Austin, the guy behind me in the
Speaker 1: is standing up by the fence, is yelling, put tavan in,
Speaker 1: put tavan in. Don't even mess around with those other guys.
Speaker 1: He's got different kind of speed. He kept screaming in it.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going, you know what, He's right. I
Speaker 1: had a coach, had a coach one time. Tell me
Speaker 1: watching tape, he goes, this guy's socks move faster than
Speaker 1: everyone else socks. So yeah, I'm gonna let you talk
Speaker 1: because I want to. I want to kind of piggyback
Speaker 1: something about the receivers, by the way, before we get
Speaker 1: off tape on Austin for just a second. Okay. I
Speaker 1: saw a his high school mixtape this morning on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I'm about to retweet that. Okay, And if you
Speaker 1: want to really see him, is that him? That's him
Speaker 1: in high school and I'm gonna tweet it out CBS eleven,
Speaker 1: Bill Jones. So you can take a look at Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin in a high school and you want to see
Speaker 1: him run bassa West Virginia too, Yeah a lot. Yeah
Speaker 1: did against Oklaholma. I know that it's like Gail Sayers
Speaker 1: back there. I'm gonna go and piggyback on receivers as well.
Speaker 1: I've watched in the last couple of days, uh, two
Speaker 1: days ago. The last non competitive practice is watching them
Speaker 1: run routes. Piggyback on what you said, Mick Sanjay Law.
Speaker 1: A lot of drills, no football, some of them working
Speaker 1: on their balance, working on their their their release and
Speaker 1: taking advantage of of you know, no wasted motion and
Speaker 1: carrying bricks after practice. He's really a teacher. And what
Speaker 1: I saw yesterday, Cole Beasley had a terrific day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here you go, five catches. I think I think it
Speaker 1: was five catches. Um. He's such a good route runner.
Speaker 1: He's so compact in his movements. He's so explosive, especially
Speaker 1: even on the outside. We watched the play. We put
Speaker 1: a move on Cheeto a woozier right uh and got
Speaker 1: him swimming a little bit where he couldn't help out.
Speaker 1: He had to totally account for him on the outside. Well,
Speaker 1: I tell you what I'm gonna I'm gonna help you
Speaker 1: right here. You're right, because they had him on the
Speaker 1: outside and and you have to respect Cole Beasley's quickness
Speaker 1: to get to the outside. And what happened is Beasley's
Speaker 1: running full steam. He's got a Woozier and his pedal.
Speaker 1: Now he's got him turned, and a Woozier feels that
Speaker 1: he's gonna sit and go to the outside. So you
Speaker 1: see a Woozier sink his weight and as soon as
Speaker 1: he sank his weight, Cole just kept running up field
Speaker 1: and Dak missed the pass. I mean, it's you've got
Speaker 1: You've got Xavier Woods flying from the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: and you know it's gonna be a tight fit. But
Speaker 1: there is separation there. And I'll give you another example.
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley as a route runner. They threw a ball
Speaker 1: to Michael Gallop inside that was really good. He runs
Speaker 1: it like a deep end and they run Beasley. They
Speaker 1: run Beasley through the zone and what happens is by
Speaker 1: Beasley getting through the zone as quickly as he does,
Speaker 1: it took cam Kelly and turned him. So cam Kelly
Speaker 1: now goes with Beasley and allowed them to fit the ball.
Speaker 1: You want some creativity, you run a guy through the zone, Beasley,
Speaker 1: they have to account for him. Safety gone ball behind boom. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a play, big play inside the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: Because of Beasley's ability not just catching the football, but
Speaker 1: his his getting his rear through the zone and affecting
Speaker 1: the safety to get up the field. That's what they
Speaker 1: need more of, affect players so others can get open
Speaker 1: and they can have easier throw, and they're moving him around.
Speaker 1: They are. He got tired yesterday, he said after practice, says,
Speaker 1: I'm not used because I'm used to doing all the
Speaker 1: quick stuff. I'm not used to run in go routes.
Speaker 1: Its deep. Yeah, but you know what we were. You know,
Speaker 1: you worry about a guy with that lack of size
Speaker 1: on the outside. See, that's exactly what I was about
Speaker 1: to present. Okay, playing him on the out, what are
Speaker 1: the pros and cons of playing him on the end?
Speaker 1: But then you know what with that, it's he's gonna
Speaker 1: cause some mismatches out there because those corners aren't used
Speaker 1: to a shifty guy. If you're not used to playing
Speaker 1: in the slot against a guy like that, he's going
Speaker 1: to cause some problems on the outside. And you've got
Speaker 1: a guy like Alan Hearns who's comfortable playing in the slot.
Speaker 1: That going across the middle field too. Beasley made a
Speaker 1: heck of a catch on the sideline. I think it
Speaker 1: was a false start. It probably didn't count, but it
Speaker 1: was when one of his little circus catches. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks like he's in tiptop Chaz, by the way, God,
Speaker 1: the downfall is what we saw with the overthrow with Dak.
Speaker 1: If it becomes a fifty fifty ball and you do
Speaker 1: have a corner where you don't get separation, and now
Speaker 1: it's a downfield throw. Now it's a tight window throw.
Speaker 1: Now it's a five a guy going up against a
Speaker 1: six foot guy, and it's used to going vertically. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't think that Cole Beasley's game is much vertically off
Speaker 1: the ground. A lot of its feet on ground, quick react,
Speaker 1: make catches and stuff and then go. So it's that's
Speaker 1: that's your downfall. Then you get a combination to him
Speaker 1: and Tavon. Yeah, yeah, both five eight guys you know, right,
Speaker 1: and they put Tavon on the outside too, right, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a hard time overthrown. Yeah, well he made
Speaker 1: a heck yeah, I think. I think if it now,
Speaker 1: these guys could separate. But that's where that's where guys
Speaker 1: like we've seen in the past, a guy like Dez Brian,
Speaker 1: if you do get it up the sidelines and it
Speaker 1: becomes a jump ball, basically, you know, the interception that
Speaker 1: that Byron by Jones Scott yesterday was basically if Dak
Speaker 1: thoes it a little bit further, I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: hit Thompson on the play, but perfect position by Byron
Speaker 1: Jones to come down with that ball. So that's where
Speaker 1: I think that Cole Beasley's probably gonna have a little
Speaker 1: bit of a disadvantage of it's to the outside and
Speaker 1: he has to play a fifty fifty ball, So you're
Speaker 1: thinking small doses of Beasley on the outside or maybe
Speaker 1: he just kind of decide how you run the routes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, if if he's gonna be able to clear
Speaker 1: if people if the safety and it's so funny because
Speaker 1: watching Greg Jackson the play, as soon as camp Kelly
Speaker 1: turned to go, Greg Jackson, the secondary safety coach goes,
Speaker 1: why why'd you do that? Didn't you see you know,
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, basically you see camp Kelly like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's him, he's running. He's I gotta respect that, don't
Speaker 1: I you know? And so if they could do that,
Speaker 1: that's that's where this is gonna If they could get
Speaker 1: enough guys catching ball and maybe this is we're not
Speaker 1: having a number one receiver, but if you do get
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys involved in Yeah, before you couldn't
Speaker 1: put yeah Cold on the outside right just right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think the coaches realized they've got to do
Speaker 1: something different. They can't just put him in the slot
Speaker 1: and allow defenses to say, well, we're just gonna take
Speaker 1: him out and worry. Let these guys just handle their
Speaker 1: business on the outside. So, by the way, Byron Jones interception,
Speaker 1: he said it was worth one hundred dollars before the
Speaker 1: before practice and he said, we made a bet on
Speaker 1: who was to get the first interception. He said, so
Speaker 1: pay up hundred dollars. Nice. It's good to see on
Speaker 1: the first day in pads Byron Jones making a play
Speaker 1: as he's he just kind of picked up where he
Speaker 1: left off last year in training camp when we all
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be a pro bowler. Right
Speaker 1: at safety. I think that's if you look at the
Speaker 1: secondary other than the question marks at safety, it's okay,
Speaker 1: how well as Byron Jones really gonna play, that's I think,
Speaker 1: and that for him, I think, you know, the after
Speaker 1: you intercept, he threw the ball, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: that maybe a little bit of relief. Maybe that's okay, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I could do this. Now I could play. I
Speaker 1: could carry a guy that's got some speed, high point
Speaker 1: of ball and come down with it. And who is
Speaker 1: the first degree him? Chris Rahard big hug from old
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Speaker 1: Bill Jones dropped Billups, Bryan brought us Mickey Spagnola. By
Speaker 1: the way, I'm going to conclude this day with a
Speaker 1: live interview of Jerry Jones on CBS eleven Work. So
Speaker 1: if anybody out there has a question they like for
Speaker 1: me to pose to Jerry Jones, fire away all right
Speaker 1: for us or for you us asking a question for
Speaker 1: me to ask tonight? Is this the annual Yeah car
Speaker 1: Washed Jerry Jones? He does all of the TV types
Speaker 1: that are here. Yeah, does one after the other tonight.
Speaker 1: So do you find yourself? Let me ask you this, guys,
Speaker 1: because you guys do a lot of interviews. I don't
Speaker 1: do as many interviews. But for a guy like that,
Speaker 1: when you prep with the topics that he's had to
Speaker 1: go through, right now, you rehash that or that's what's
Speaker 1: going through my mind? Right? Or do you try? Do
Speaker 1: you move on? Do you move on? I like to
Speaker 1: move on and I would like to talk football with you.
Speaker 1: See Yeah, but I will say this, we as local
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Speaker 1: the amp to go backwards, yeah, to write and so
Speaker 1: it's weighing that and if you can find a happy
Speaker 1: medium where you can, you know, touch on that briefly
Speaker 1: and then move on, then that's probably the best way
Speaker 1: to satisfy party. How much time you get just five
Speaker 1: or six minutes. It's tough with Jerry because yeah, one
Speaker 1: answer could go three minutes. All right, We've got Randy
Speaker 1: from Kansas on the phone line joining us here on
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Go ahead, Randy, Bill, welcome back to talking.
Speaker 1: Thank you good. The understion is, if we're gonna go
Speaker 1: with ride receiver by committee, now, do you think they'll
Speaker 1: play all the receivers uh in preseason because normally they
Speaker 1: don't if you have a number one. Last when Daz
Speaker 1: was there, you didn't play a whole lot in preseason. Now,
Speaker 1: do you see all them playing in preseason or up? Yes? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean they gotta get timing down with the quarterback,
Speaker 1: and he may I mean he may play more, but
Speaker 1: even if he's out, there's so many receivers they have.
Speaker 1: These guys are gonna get reps. And they're down too
Speaker 1: right now because Noah Brown has been out with a
Speaker 1: hamstring and we saw Cedric Wilson go out with a shoulder.
Speaker 1: See what his status is today. So yeah, I mean, whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever standing, I think they gotta get reps, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I don't see them holding anything back.
Speaker 1: Is many, you know. And what's funny is I can't
Speaker 1: get a beat on how they're playing the rotation of
Speaker 1: the receivers. It's you know, you see guys different spots
Speaker 1: in Austin and and then you know with Beasley and
Speaker 1: then you see Hearns. I mean you kind of have
Speaker 1: a little bit of an idea of who it is.
Speaker 1: But Gallup was exactly, saying, they're kind of they they
Speaker 1: kind of they kind of throwing all those guys out there.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea. What what Mickey was
Speaker 1: talking about. You you've got to get your timing down.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the timing stuff is going
Speaker 1: to be out here. But yeah, and the games, even
Speaker 1: with the Cooper Rush, Mike White, Let's see what these
Speaker 1: guys have put it. Put them out there and find
Speaker 1: some combinations that are gonna work for you. And speaking
Speaker 1: a gallop, Bill had a nice interview with him, And
Speaker 1: while the interview was being conducted, I'm sitting there watching
Speaker 1: his hands are big. He's got big hands. It's amazing
Speaker 1: to go back and look at the combine numbers and
Speaker 1: see those are those things. Yeah, well just for his
Speaker 1: body type though, you know, because he's well, he's not slender,
Speaker 1: and he's a lot taller than you think. And he
Speaker 1: had he had a nice catch out there too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he on that end, he's sure to out He's sure
Speaker 1: to have. But I'll tell you what though, I did
Speaker 1: see him and Cheetah Awoozier got in him a little,
Speaker 1: you know, And when he was out there, there was
Speaker 1: a couple different times where in the seven on seven
Speaker 1: period where he's got to learn that you know, you
Speaker 1: cannot let these defensive backs get their hands on you
Speaker 1: because if they do, these young guys, they'll sit on you,
Speaker 1: they'll bang you around, and they'll keep you out of
Speaker 1: your route. So he'll learn, and that's what that's what
Speaker 1: it's all about. Those defense ends will learn. The ones
Speaker 1: that the play are SAPs that have to go up
Speaker 1: against Tyron Smith. Because I was watching the one on
Speaker 1: one pass rush drill and it's like, dude, once he
Speaker 1: gets your hand on, you're done. You are absolutely. Tony
Speaker 1: Eely went against him three times, coney Ealely got him
Speaker 1: one time, and Tyron came back. It's like he rechallenged it.
Speaker 1: In the one on one he's like, no, no, get
Speaker 1: back out there. And then I think Rob and I
Speaker 1: were watching rot I go, this is not gonna this
Speaker 1: is not gonna end well for Cony Eely because what
Speaker 1: happens if you if you don't get Tyron Smith, you
Speaker 1: don't get to his corner fast enough. People have been
Speaker 1: able to take him inside because of the back a
Speaker 1: little bit and trying to take him where he can't
Speaker 1: really adjust. But you know, but Cony Ellen made a
Speaker 1: huge mistake of trying to get the corner but didn't
Speaker 1: get the corner fast enough, and then it just became
Speaker 1: he just washed and washed him out of the play.
Speaker 1: So if you want to go to the outside, okay
Speaker 1: to shove, Yeah, by way of the bench, you have
Speaker 1: to rush the quarterback? What you do? Yeah? All right,
Speaker 1: let's check in with Mike in Orlando. Next up here
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. Mike, Hey, good morning. Follows. I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well out there. Two quick questions.
Speaker 1: I know, Brian, I heard you touch on it. I
Speaker 1: believe it was yesterday every Friday about Dan Bailey and
Speaker 1: missing his first kick. Just kind of wondering what your
Speaker 1: thoughts all around his mindset. And then secondly, do you
Speaker 1: think I know he touched on briefly, but do you
Speaker 1: think that it's more playing time with these wide receivers
Speaker 1: because they seem to be different types of wide receivers
Speaker 1: than these tlateless in the past. They have much more
Speaker 1: quickness in the past. Deante Thompson yesterday it looked like
Speaker 1: it was under thrown a little bit. Maybe he wasn't
Speaker 1: quite ready for the amount of speed that these wide
Speaker 1: receivers have Thanks, guys, take care. I'll take a question.
Speaker 1: Number one. Bailey was six for six yesterday on field
Speaker 1: goal attempts from thirty five, thirty seven, forty forty four,
Speaker 1: forty seven and fifty. I'm not watching anymore. You're done.
Speaker 1: You see enough. You said you may need to watch this.
Speaker 1: Eleven twelve, right. It's so funny. Mickey and I the
Speaker 1: first time did drills. We were both we were walking
Speaker 1: for opposite ends of the field and it's like we
Speaker 1: got and I stopped at the left, up right, Mickey
Speaker 1: stopped the right. When I looked over out of me
Speaker 1: and he looked at me like, all right, I see
Speaker 1: what you're doing here. But yeah, he pushed that ball
Speaker 1: round and he missed the first one and everyone so
Speaker 1: he's hit eleven in a row. We're all dead center,
Speaker 1: by the way. Yesterday, Yeah, the first day they were
Speaker 1: extra points, they were all different hash, different hash, but
Speaker 1: they were all thirty three yards, so he extended out
Speaker 1: to fifty yesterday. Yes. The thing that about a little
Speaker 1: bit about the underthrow of that they had, Tyrn Crawford
Speaker 1: had some pressure on the on the outside and what
Speaker 1: happened was he was able to kind of push Dak
Speaker 1: kind of slidtle bit to his left and then they
Speaker 1: got some push off that left side. Smith got knocked
Speaker 1: back a little bit and it kind of forced Dak
Speaker 1: to have to kind of short the ball. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was a great positional play by Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: But give him, give him assist to Tyrn Crawford for
Speaker 1: some some push off that left side that forced Dak
Speaker 1: to have to kind of throw it off, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of throw it and maybe not get his
Speaker 1: whole entire body into the throne. But even though it
Speaker 1: was short Byron Jones, was in Jones quite great. He
Speaker 1: had him in his hip pocket. He was perfect off
Speaker 1: the line. There became a little separation, he rallied and
Speaker 1: then he was Positionally he was just fine. But Dad
Speaker 1: getting in sync with these receivers. It's going to happen
Speaker 1: on the practice feeds as the preseason games are concerned.
Speaker 1: As the first team offensive line goes, so goes Dak.
Speaker 1: Is that's the best way to look at it. The
Speaker 1: other day, I'm not putting Dak out there if I
Speaker 1: don't have my all pros out there too. And don't
Speaker 1: worry about Zeke yeah, yeah, I just I think that
Speaker 1: everybody's everybody, you're on the image. I'm putting him a
Speaker 1: bubble wrap. He had a couple of nice runs yesterday
Speaker 1: were kind of bounced in there, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: and they do a really cool drill that I see
Speaker 1: why these guys have the vision that they do. I
Speaker 1: give Gary Brown some credit. They had like five or
Speaker 1: six tracks cans and everybody stands with a trash can,
Speaker 1: and then what happens. They hand the ball to the
Speaker 1: back and then they lean the You lean the trash
Speaker 1: can one way or another, so you might have four
Speaker 1: guys lean it one way, one guy leans it the
Speaker 1: other way, and then you see the vision. You see
Speaker 1: the guy like like almost a jump cut or you're
Speaker 1: here or gott to jump back to this hole. It's
Speaker 1: because you gotta find or they'll lean the trash cans
Speaker 1: all one direction and then they'll break it to the
Speaker 1: backside or they'll keep it front side, so it works
Speaker 1: on their vision to concentrate. Okay, where is the hole?
Speaker 1: But Elliot had a you know, they had they did
Speaker 1: that that compete period and they they I think it
Speaker 1: was a second down run and they just they trapped.
Speaker 1: They gotta pull. They got a trap, they got second
Speaker 1: level block, and he just slammed it in there and
Speaker 1: the next thing you know, it's a you know, ten
Speaker 1: to twelve yard game and you're like, going, that's a
Speaker 1: good run on second down to do that Gary Brown
Speaker 1: when they do that drill, so he's behind the running back,
Speaker 1: so the running back doesn't know which way the garbage
Speaker 1: can lean and watch it. It's it's a great anybody
Speaker 1: that comes out here, because he looks like he's a
Speaker 1: policeman in the middle of Rome in one of those circles.
Speaker 1: He's telling four guys go this way, this way, and
Speaker 1: you go that way, and it's really good. But they
Speaker 1: do they all it's seriously, it's like Mickey describe. They
Speaker 1: all go to one side and then somebody will go
Speaker 1: the other way, or two will yeah, that's two will
Speaker 1: go one way and two will go the other and
Speaker 1: then you're supposed to take it to the middle. But
Speaker 1: it makes you think about where you need to hit
Speaker 1: the hole and your reads in that direction. And as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they did it one more time
Speaker 1: to Zeke said let's go again, Yeah, because they were
Speaker 1: done with the drill and he but he's he's one
Speaker 1: of the best when it comes to that vision and
Speaker 1: seeing where that's those cracks are. He's great at that.
Speaker 1: About him in the passing game this year, you know
Speaker 1: what this is where I think that Vick and Ventura
Speaker 1: ask questions about, Okay, how do you get him more
Speaker 1: involved in the passing game. And I got into discussion
Speaker 1: with some people about this because he's so valuable as
Speaker 1: a blitz pickup guy. You've got five solid blockers up front,
Speaker 1: and then okay, so people thinking, Okay, we can't. We've
Speaker 1: got to rush more than five. We're not gonna get
Speaker 1: anybody home, so all of a sudden, now you have
Speaker 1: to pick up I'm all for getting him out in
Speaker 1: the routes. And you know, by the way, Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: he tried to run. He got Jalen Smith the day
Speaker 1: before on a route to the flat and separated. Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith got him. Yes, Jay able to stay with him,
Speaker 1: hammering the ball in his hands. But I think that
Speaker 1: maybe they think about throwing him the football, are a
Speaker 1: little bit wary of throwing him the football because he's
Speaker 1: such a good blitz pickup guy. So maybe that's why
Speaker 1: we don't see him but they do need to get
Speaker 1: him involved more than the passing year. We've seen some
Speaker 1: two back sets, which he means Ola Wally, what about
Speaker 1: you know having him Yeah, that's what Ola Wally did
Speaker 1: in Oakland and he was a he was a he
Speaker 1: was a single back blitz pickup guy. So absolutely, if
Speaker 1: if that if anything to do anything to get those
Speaker 1: players like you had in San Francisco or Pittsburgh or
Speaker 1: those you know, you throw him the ball next you know,
Speaker 1: it's a seventy yard run. I'm all for. But but
Speaker 1: the mindset might be a little bit about can we
Speaker 1: afford to get him out now? Maybe even the past,
Speaker 1: they didn't have anybody that were really confident enough to say,
Speaker 1: you know, okay we could pick up this. You know this,
Speaker 1: this this blitz if we have to one way to
Speaker 1: slow the blitz down those to get him out and
Speaker 1: out and it's like, okay, you want to come, no
Speaker 1: question him, no question, no question. Timing has to be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: As far as the backup guys, rod Smith, Bo Scarborough,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they can do. I think rod
Speaker 1: Smith's got that ability. Rod Smith, he has rod Smith.
Speaker 1: It's like the catching part of the block, catching part
Speaker 1: the catching, the blocking part absolutely absolutely, And there were
Speaker 1: sometimes when we watched both Scarborough play at Alabama that
Speaker 1: they you know, the Hurts, the Hurts would throw him
Speaker 1: the ball and you know he get it out. I
Speaker 1: mean it wasn't like he was getting a ton of
Speaker 1: plays that way, but you did see. I need to
Speaker 1: watch him a little bit more and see how he
Speaker 1: does when we start seeing one on one with the
Speaker 1: running backs first, the linebackers and that those kind of
Speaker 1: drills because it'll be wide receivers first, corners, running backs first,
Speaker 1: the linebacks with the tight ends and then the old line.
Speaker 1: That's where we need to go down there and learn
Speaker 1: a little bit about how these backs can catch a
Speaker 1: little bit of telling you this Trey Williams is going
Speaker 1: to be the star of the preseason. I'm I don't
Speaker 1: discount what you're saying. At a fourth quarter carries and catches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can see that too. Oh he's a I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a you could like say, you could strike matches
Speaker 1: on him. I mean he is a rocked up guy
Speaker 1: that you know, he's got a lot of toughness. But
Speaker 1: I mean we've had some things where the drills he's
Speaker 1: fumbled some balls and Zeke's got on a little bit
Speaker 1: about that and had him back there for punt return.
Speaker 1: It was, it was. It was a monster punt though
Speaker 1: over his head and he couldn't retreat fast enough, but
Speaker 1: he as quick as a mosquito. No, Willie Mays traits there,
Speaker 1: will Vickers. You don't watch your punt return catching the
Speaker 1: ball away from the line of scrimmage. Google it on YouTube. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: major league Willie Mays. Hayes tried it. You know, he
Speaker 1: may say fifty four World Series. I believe catches don't
Speaker 1: ever do it again. Vicky was there a prob But
Speaker 1: I do have video of him running bat I got
Speaker 1: I got video of him running off the field at
Speaker 1: Candlestick Park during a game Willie Mays and Willie mc
Speaker 1: field together. Do you realize how long ago there dating yourself?
Speaker 1: It was nineteen sixty five and my dad had the
Speaker 1: camera rolling fifty three years. Yes, and it's still the
Speaker 1: cameras the projector still as a matter of fact, cameras
Speaker 1: did in that game. Kodak was in that game, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to forget the pictures one mirror show now
Speaker 1: he adopts he was the picture for I think they
Speaker 1: were playing Milwaukee, and major league record for RBIs in
Speaker 1: a single game. The picture, Yeah, Walter Johnson. He hit
Speaker 1: two Graham slams, and he came up the third time,
Speaker 1: two grand slams. He came up the third time with
Speaker 1: the bases loaded, two grams, back to back grand slams.
Speaker 1: I told you I can't remember the picture's name, but
Speaker 1: I remember seeing it. Keep going, man, google it. This
Speaker 1: is worth I have a feeling this is not true.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely true. Who hit the grand slams? The picture?
Speaker 1: And wait, we don't have to guess on this anymore.
Speaker 1: He he comes up the second time, and my mother goes,
Speaker 1: what did be something? If he hit another one? And
Speaker 1: I go, what are you talking about? Pictures don't hit
Speaker 1: home runs? And he hits a home run right now?
Speaker 1: Your mom's always right. It comes up the favor. He
Speaker 1: comes up. He comes up the third time and the
Speaker 1: bases are loaded, and my mother goes, all right, wise
Speaker 1: guy got anything to say? And I kept my bow
Speaker 1: shut and they caught it on the warning track and
Speaker 1: he got a sacrifice fly. Nine RBIs wow, we'll have
Speaker 1: to look that at nineteen sixty five giants at Claninger.
Speaker 1: There Toler there were brothers. Yeah, yeah, so look it up.
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm an idiot, so William Hays, I bet
Speaker 1: it is all right. Carry on, boys, Okay, Shane and
Speaker 1: Washington's Sterling first Mickey's Minute of the new season. Shane,
Speaker 1: it took a little longer because you guys keep interrupting me. Okay, Hello, Shane. Hey,
Speaker 1: so my question is in this year's draft class, from
Speaker 1: the fourth round through the seventh, do you see any
Speaker 1: of these guys actually getting some serious playing time? And
Speaker 1: I'll be seeing you guys when you come up here
Speaker 1: on the twenty September, because I'm going to the game
Speaker 1: for sure, all right, Seattle fourth through seventh round. Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz is a fourth rounder. Yeah, Dorn's Armstrong's working with
Speaker 1: the second team, and a couple of nice rushes yesterday
Speaker 1: and the one on one. Yeah, I like that when
Speaker 1: I saw there. You certainly hope they don't see Mike White. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Mike White needs to get the ball out a little quicker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yesterday I felt like he was holding a little bit
Speaker 1: too long. He got he he had needed a little
Speaker 1: bit better pocket awareness. This is about five seconds, seven
Speaker 1: on seven, you know, he's playing behind the first offensive line.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, Mickey's right, by the way, I was off
Speaker 1: a year. It was nineteen sixty six, alright, sixty five,
Speaker 1: though it actually happened July third. It says here July third,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. Braves pitcher Tony Klowerger Class two Grand Slams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was at the game, and guess what I'm
Speaker 1: keeping score? I got the little program, like a little
Speaker 1: nerd keeping score. And after it got to be a nerd,
Speaker 1: it got to be like nine to nothing or whatever.
Speaker 1: I quit in the fifth ety and it's like it
Speaker 1: was a record day. I still have it, by the
Speaker 1: way you do. But it stops at the fifth thy
Speaker 1: I got bored. Yeah, he got distracted. Imagine that he
Speaker 1: started trying for about who the umpires were on the field.
Speaker 1: This was like, what's the use and he's right, He's
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Wow, Yeah, glad we solved that pretty pretty
Speaker 1: good memory. Does he have the box score there? Brian
Speaker 1: uh And in the top of the third, Contager grounded
Speaker 1: out the third. By the time he came up in
Speaker 1: the fourth, Atlanta's lead had grown to nine and nothing.
Speaker 1: Giants pitcher Ray Snidecki remember him. Yeah at basses though
Speaker 1: this time Cleanser went opposite way. Hitting his second pitch,
Speaker 1: he saw past Hey sus Salou over the candlestick part
Speaker 1: right fuel fence. Mickey stopped keeping score at this point,
Speaker 1: giving a land at a thirteen and nothing lead the
Speaker 1: second Grand slam of the day. So, yeah, he did it.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely right. Wow. To this point, Cleanser had stepped
Speaker 1: the plate with the sacks full fourteen. How about a
Speaker 1: picture getting fourteen opportunities for grand slams. Yeah, that's crazy.
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Speaker 1: I thought you were coming to join us. No one
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Speaker 1: from cal Lutheran from just down the road and takes California.
Speaker 1: In fact, they won a national championship when he was
Speaker 1: there at cal Lutheran in nineteen seventy or seventy one
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Speaker 1: If we can get Mickey to focus on the show
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Speaker 1: fast it already. I was fascinated by that. That's Mickey.
Speaker 1: I thought you were kind of you like, that's a minute.
Speaker 1: I've blown some smoke. But he actually were actually actually
Speaker 1: weren't lying. I do miss that segment every day. We
Speaker 1: might need to bring that. Yeah, you like that, you
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Speaker 1: Kyle in Fort Worth next up here on Talking Cowboys. Hello, Kyle,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Bill Good? Hey, I got a question.
Speaker 1: I thank you for what you guys do. You guys
Speaker 1: do an awesome job. Appreciate that. What do you guys?
Speaker 1: Most impressive out are have to look forward to as
Speaker 1: far as the receiving Corps goes. Just coming up here.
Speaker 1: A lot of interest in this receiving corps. I'm on
Speaker 1: the we touched on Gallop earlier. I'm on the Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup train full board. I think he's gonna be You
Speaker 1: watch him out there, and he's got to learn to
Speaker 1: finish plays, and there's been some inconsistency in the offseason,
Speaker 1: but you watch him run routes and he's as explosive
Speaker 1: and complete a potential player as they've got out there.
Speaker 1: And how quickly can that train get on the track?
Speaker 1: That's that's the question, because it does take a little
Speaker 1: longer for receivers, and I don't know it's sometimes it
Speaker 1: varies depending on what kind of system they were in
Speaker 1: in college. Um, but he looks like a guy that
Speaker 1: can that can make plays at this level with his
Speaker 1: ability to separate. I'll tell you what I was impressed
Speaker 1: with yesterday is the way that Alan Hearns extends for
Speaker 1: the ball. They throw him a slant that was not
Speaker 1: exactly on target, and he was able to with guys
Speaker 1: bearing down and reach out and stuff like that. All
Speaker 1: you need Alan Hurns to do is be as good
Speaker 1: as does Bryant was last year. Ye if that's if
Speaker 1: you get that, if you get eight touchdowns, and so
Speaker 1: many yards and somebody can't. I mean that to me,
Speaker 1: that's all he needs to be. But I do I
Speaker 1: admire him right now. I think he catches the ball
Speaker 1: a little bit better than I was willing to give
Speaker 1: him credit for. I'm interested Terrence Williams back out here.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Yeah, you didn't see him
Speaker 1: in team. But when I was watching the drills when
Speaker 1: they were thrown against air, he is running with kind
Speaker 1: of renewed energy. It looks good. He looks like he
Speaker 1: is highly motivated to show everybody don't forget about me.
Speaker 1: And he was snatching the ball in this drill, so
Speaker 1: I don't know if they got that. You know what happens.
Speaker 1: You can practice something and then when you get in uh,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a pressure situation, you revert to
Speaker 1: your old tibo. But he he was snatching the ball
Speaker 1: and he is running. I mean, he is running hard,
Speaker 1: so he's sort of ready. They're just taking care of going.
Speaker 1: Let's not force him in too soon, but keep an
Speaker 1: eye on it. I think he's kind of the forgotten guy,
Speaker 1: and I think he's kind of want to put his
Speaker 1: hand up and go, don't forget about me. I put
Speaker 1: two size four teens up on the table for him
Speaker 1: in our in our twenty questions and everything we've been
Speaker 1: kind of talking about. I think that he's I don't
Speaker 1: think he's going to go quietly here. I really don't.
Speaker 1: All right, when you when you mentioned that hearns, all
Speaker 1: he needs to do is what Dez did last you think, so,
Speaker 1: all right, how can how about the yards per catch?
Speaker 1: Because Dez was down last year. Obviously Dack was down
Speaker 1: on his yards per attempt. Yeah, I think if you
Speaker 1: look at the number of catches. You know, we've seen
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns and we did a Tale of the Tape
Speaker 1: with him where they threw him a short pass in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and he was able to break a tackle, break
Speaker 1: a tackle, then you know you're twenty more yards down
Speaker 1: the field. So the same kind of capabilities that Dez
Speaker 1: Brian has that that runner, when you mean, defensive backs
Speaker 1: see him in the open field are like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I have to tackle this guy. So yeah, if you
Speaker 1: could get him the ball, get it to him in
Speaker 1: a hurry, if they get him to him on the slants,
Speaker 1: if he can run those routes that we saw Dez Brian,
Speaker 1: Dez Brian all of a sudden, you know, and Sanji Alousa.
Speaker 1: This was an elite slant runner. But we didn't see
Speaker 1: an elite slant runner last year. I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: because there were too many times where and maybe he
Speaker 1: really didn't trust Dak Prescott where that ball was going
Speaker 1: to be, you know, with with with defenders on him
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It's no slam it does He's
Speaker 1: just thinking, Okay, I'm not it's not where I'm used
Speaker 1: to having the ball when it comes to slams. But
Speaker 1: I think if he has the same type of numbers
Speaker 1: as far as the catches, you know, and and and
Speaker 1: you know, the yard after the catch, I think the
Speaker 1: yards after the catch will come if you could get
Speaker 1: him the ball in the move because he is a
Speaker 1: physical runner with the ball in his hands. All right.
Speaker 1: Georgia and North Richland Hills in the Dallas Fort Worth area.
Speaker 1: You're on talking Cowboys. Hello, George, Hello, Yeah, my question
Speaker 1: is about Dak. When he was in twenty sixteen, when
Speaker 1: he was in practice, it looked like he didn't do
Speaker 1: a lot of it, didn't feel like he knew what
Speaker 1: he was doing. But then when he got in the game,
Speaker 1: he was throwing passes sure like he knew what he
Speaker 1: was doing. Now to me, does it looked like right now?
Speaker 1: Does he look like he's trying to force the ball
Speaker 1: or just playing it safe? Because to me, I think
Speaker 1: that he needs to take more chances and if he's
Speaker 1: going to throw an exception, just seeple what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: Because he plays better on teaming day than in practice,
Speaker 1: I think he's gotten better. Thank you for the call.
Speaker 1: I think he's gotten better at practice, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, because I would have agreed in two thou sixteen.
Speaker 1: There was times when we were all out here in Oxten.
Speaker 1: I know me and I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, man,
Speaker 1: he missed that throw. How he's going to make that throw?
Speaker 1: And then he had a drill they went two minute
Speaker 1: one time, and he started kind of thing started clicking
Speaker 1: for him. And then we got to that Ram game
Speaker 1: field right after Romo got hurt, Yeah, and out right
Speaker 1: and then and then I'm like going. And then we
Speaker 1: get to that ram game and that first drive, You're like, well,
Speaker 1: where's this guy been? So he traditionally, even Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: did the spout him twenty and sixteen. He was a
Speaker 1: bad practice player. I think you're seeing a better practice player.
Speaker 1: I think Dak will cut it loose. I don't think
Speaker 1: Dak is a cautious player. I think Dak will take chances. Obviously.
Speaker 1: He you know, he threw a ball the other day
Speaker 1: and we're talking about Tavon Austin. Tavon Austin is running
Speaker 1: around and basically is falling down. He's on the ground,
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's like, he's like horizontal the ground.
Speaker 1: He hits and pops up, and Dak's still throwing him
Speaker 1: the ball. He's like, I'm going to throw it to you.
Speaker 1: I know you can get open, and Austin makes an
Speaker 1: adjusting catch, you know, and is able to go and
Speaker 1: a Lousia has kind of left, like going, WHOA, what
Speaker 1: has happened kind of thing. So I think he's willing
Speaker 1: to take chances. I just think he needs his receivers
Speaker 1: to do a little better job of separating, getting open,
Speaker 1: give him an opportunity to make some throws. He took
Speaker 1: some underneath stuff yesterday. He just kind of took what
Speaker 1: was there on some place. He's had some good touch
Speaker 1: on some passes. It's a shame that the interception was.
Speaker 1: I felt like he had a guy in his face
Speaker 1: which forced him to maybe short it a little bit,
Speaker 1: but he took a chance. These all these quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: if you've noticed a lot of the passes they've thrown
Speaker 1: have been down the field. There have been more passes
Speaker 1: you talk about Thompson throw, Yeah, yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: that's that might be your fastest receiver other than Austin
Speaker 1: right that you're trying to well, he tried to hit
Speaker 1: Beasley down the field too. We talked about the stutter
Speaker 1: go that they tried to throw and he was open.
Speaker 1: Dak just missed that throw, but it it was a
Speaker 1: shot down the field. He'd be a better at quarterback
Speaker 1: if the wide receivers would catch the ball and not
Speaker 1: pop off their hand. He had four pop off hands,
Speaker 1: catchable balls that ended up getting intercepted. The things not
Speaker 1: on him. And the thing with Dak, he's such a
Speaker 1: coachable player and had such a work ethic and so forth,
Speaker 1: and we've saw it even his rookie season in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season where he made an adjustment and
Speaker 1: remember his footwork was off the Philadelphia game, and then
Speaker 1: he was able to get it back together. And finish.
Speaker 1: You know, the second half of the season was strong
Speaker 1: for him. So that's not a concern as far as
Speaker 1: that it's it's just it's a matter of getting on
Speaker 1: the same page with the new crop of receivers. If
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a quarterback that's thrown to
Speaker 1: some spots and I don't know why he's thrown to
Speaker 1: some spots, that's been Cooper Rush. He had another day
Speaker 1: yesterday where he just threw the ball into a into
Speaker 1: space and you know, and it's not okay. Now you
Speaker 1: have a couple of receivers, Katie Cannon being one of them,
Speaker 1: might not know where he needs to be and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. We were watching that two receivers in the
Speaker 1: same spot and you're going, somebody's gonna do something here,
Speaker 1: and it's like he was expecting. But he's had a
Speaker 1: couple of those days where he's just you know, he's
Speaker 1: just kind of throwing it to a spot and nobody's
Speaker 1: been there where. And that's your point, Bill, about getting
Speaker 1: on the same page and you know, and and being
Speaker 1: being effective that way. All right, Jay and Frisco, You're
Speaker 1: next up here on Talking Cowboys. Hello Jay, Hey guys, Hey,
Speaker 1: nice to talk to you, Brian. You and I met
Speaker 1: each other the first time the Cowboys had the draft
Speaker 1: at the stadium. Oh, thank you back with me, Rob, well,
Speaker 1: thank you. We were all the way back to Jay
Speaker 1: from Houston calling. But I mean Frisco now good, all right,
Speaker 1: It's good to hear you guys and watching you guys
Speaker 1: on the internet. I'm telling you four guys, awesome, man,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for watching talking Cowboys. And you know,
Speaker 1: what you guys give us is priceless. And so the
Speaker 1: only thing I got to bring right now is that
Speaker 1: when I think about the backup quarterback situation, I watched
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush, I watched Mark White and guys, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you Mark White, Mike White Man, when I go
Speaker 1: watch what he does on the field and when he
Speaker 1: was in college, it was awesome. But I'm torn because
Speaker 1: when you watch Cooper Rush in preseason last year, he
Speaker 1: made the plays, man, sure did. So how do you
Speaker 1: how do you decide who stays who goes? And I'm
Speaker 1: now that three quarterback guy, right, we can only have
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks. They are they're planning on keeping three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are. Those guys. You know, those guys will decide it.
Speaker 1: They don't have to. Yeah, and I yeah, absolutely. One
Speaker 1: thing Brian you said a minute ago about Dak being
Speaker 1: kind of a gamer, we saw that from Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: last year. Actually were seen in practice a little bit sometimes.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if he's being a little
Speaker 1: cautious or maybe misses some throws. He gets in the
Speaker 1: games and he I don't know, he just relaxes. He
Speaker 1: kind of feels the game a little bit. And so
Speaker 1: we'll see the game. The preseason games will probably decide,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, my order of these two. But you know,
Speaker 1: the backup deal with Rush and Kellen went into the
Speaker 1: season last year, so maybe it's something they continue to
Speaker 1: look at as assuming both make the team. And then
Speaker 1: at this time last year, pretty much everyone assumed Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush would probably be on the practice squad. Yeah, last
Speaker 1: year it was. And then and then everybody realized, whoa
Speaker 1: that Kellen Morris practice squad eligibility? Oh okay, well here
Speaker 1: let's do this, you know. And so yeah, I think that,
Speaker 1: like Mickey says, this will do it will be decided
Speaker 1: by four preseason games and some practice. But let me
Speaker 1: tell you this, though, Mike White is I love Mike White,
Speaker 1: you know, he was a guy at a third round
Speaker 1: grade on him at that when we're doing the draft
Speaker 1: show and stuff like that. I was really happy the
Speaker 1: Cowboys took him where they took him. I think he's
Speaker 1: got a future to be a starting quarterback one day
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. But he'd better speed himself
Speaker 1: up a little bit. You know, we're not playing you know,
Speaker 1: Northern Illinois here. You know, we've we you know, this
Speaker 1: is real NFL defense, and you got to find a way,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, when you drop back and pass, make
Speaker 1: a decision, give rid of the football. Yeah, don't don't
Speaker 1: hold the ball in the pocket. And and you know
Speaker 1: he's playing with a group of guys that are second
Speaker 1: and third offensive lineman. I get it. But you know,
Speaker 1: help your offensive lineman a little bit, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, try and get your receivers to football. That's
Speaker 1: such a huge thing for quarterbacks, the transition is. You know,
Speaker 1: they have all this success in college and for so
Speaker 1: many of them, the one of the primary reasons they
Speaker 1: don't make it in the NFL is they can't process
Speaker 1: quick enough with their decision making. And see that's where
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush has a little bit advantage because he's been
Speaker 1: through this, you know, he had that. But I think
Speaker 1: there's some pressure on Cooper Rush. I think he's not
Speaker 1: It's not one of these things. He realizes, well, they
Speaker 1: just drafted a quarterback. And I went from being a
Speaker 1: guy kind of by myself to wait a minute, you
Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback. So yeah, there's pressure on him to
Speaker 1: have to perform in these preseason games and practices as well. Well.
Speaker 1: There's pressure on players throughout this roster, and which I
Speaker 1: think is one of the great things about this training
Speaker 1: camp is there's competitive competitiveness and so many position groups. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but let's hope that they evaluate their team the right way.
Speaker 1: And it's gonna sound funny the way I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: but you know, and my experience from personal, when you
Speaker 1: get into training camp, you know everything, Oh, this disappears good,
Speaker 1: this appears good, this appears you know, and you're maybe
Speaker 1: hiding some of the things or you're not really seeing
Speaker 1: your team in a real light because they're competing against
Speaker 1: guys that you're probably going to get rid of it.
Speaker 1: And so I'm always looking at this as like, let's
Speaker 1: hope this team. Let's hope Will and Jerry and Steven
Speaker 1: and these coaches, they evaluate their team the proper way,
Speaker 1: and it's when the team gets to fifty three that
Speaker 1: it is the right guys playing the right positions and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and it's not okay, we're just carrying
Speaker 1: this guy because we're protecting the draft or whatever and
Speaker 1: this and that. Make sure you evaluate your team the
Speaker 1: right way and make the tough, hard decisions. If if
Speaker 1: they want to carry two quarterbacks, you know, okay, find out,
Speaker 1: make the make the determination what you want to do.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to, if you want to carry
Speaker 1: Rico Gathers, make sure Rico Gathers. It's not just okay,
Speaker 1: we're doing Rico Gathers a favor here, because if you
Speaker 1: want to carry a Rico Gathers, you might have to
Speaker 1: go to exactly because I'll tell you who, who really
Speaker 1: I thought in some of the drills stood out was
Speaker 1: was Blake Jarwin. Yeah this guy could run, Yeah he can,
Speaker 1: he could get up the field. You're absolutely right, and
Speaker 1: he runs good routes and he catches the The other
Speaker 1: thing that somewhat surprised me and I wasn't expecting, and
Speaker 1: Rob said, quit picking on the guy, Cameron Fleming. They
Speaker 1: moved him out. I didn't really see what you were seeing. Well,
Speaker 1: I just thought his knees were acting like he was
Speaker 1: forty Well that's the way he was playing five right.
Speaker 1: And then he went out there and they put him
Speaker 1: at left tackle finally because he'd been at right tackle
Speaker 1: all through the off season, and they got into the
Speaker 1: pads and all of a sudden, guys couldn't get around him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was going, well, that didn't look like the
Speaker 1: guy when they were out there in the walkthrough, and
Speaker 1: he gets it's like and you know what someone told me.
Speaker 1: He they said, don't worry about how ugly it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: worry about the result. And the result was good. He
Speaker 1: just looks like he can't move, but he's in that position.
Speaker 1: He locked guys up, and so that makes you feel better,
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Now, keep an eye on it
Speaker 1: for now. Yes, it's a definite upgrade over Byron Belly
Speaker 1: much so. Yes, absolutely. And you know Chaz Green is
Speaker 1: still out there competing, by the way, so we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens with that. All right. We got a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes left here, so as they hit the practice
Speaker 1: field this afternoon right now, Well, and they've got it
Speaker 1: their walk through going on right now behind us four
Speaker 1: o'clock practice this afternoon Pacific time, and we want to
Speaker 1: remind you as well, next Sunday we will you'll be
Speaker 1: able to watch the practice right here on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot com and in the Dallas Fort Worth area on
Speaker 1: t x A twenty one, which will be six o'clock
Speaker 1: Dallas time next Sunday. But what are you looking for
Speaker 1: this afternoon? I'll tell you I'm interested once again to
Speaker 1: see if, now as good as the offensive line was,
Speaker 1: will the defensive line have bounce back after some corrections
Speaker 1: after sitting down a meeting. Okay, you realize now you're
Speaker 1: playing against all pro players. You better do something different.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, okay, what's going to happen inside of
Speaker 1: the tackle spot? Maybe maybe peggyback a little bit off
Speaker 1: what they saw from the Marcus Lawrence and say okay, hey,
Speaker 1: that's the way you're supposed to play. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see if the defensive line has a little bit better day.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't expect the offensive line
Speaker 1: just to have a complete shutout like they did yes,
Speaker 1: and I expect to see some one on one work
Speaker 1: wide receivers. That's absolutely yeah, that's yesterday. That's where I'm going.
Speaker 1: I want to see Cheeto against some of these new guys,
Speaker 1: whether it's a Michael Gallup or Alan Hearns, and see
Speaker 1: how the best in the secondary competes against some of
Speaker 1: these new receivers. Although that drill is the most unfair
Speaker 1: drill and football, it's unfair, but it's I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got all the space in the world. Day. If you're
Speaker 1: covering in that drill and knocking the ball down, you
Speaker 1: need to start right that that Mickey's right, that is
Speaker 1: not a fair drill at all for a quarterbacks. Got
Speaker 1: no rush, you know, go ahead, make all the moves
Speaker 1: you want and okay, I want to throw you the ball.
Speaker 1: Cover it all right. We're back tomorrow, off day, no practice,
Speaker 1: no practice. We've got to figure out what it will be.
Speaker 1: A configuration, will be a show. There will be a
Speaker 1: show tomorrow. We'll figure out the configuration and check Dallas
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