1 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: you every Wednesday solo edition of the pod. This week, 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: I just got back from two weeks Adelaide in Australia, 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: was down there for the live tournaments. I think it 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: was a really really interesting week for Live at Adelaide. 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't care what side of this debate that you're on, 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: and I'll keep saying this, I just don't know why 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: there is this debate. We are seeing great golf. We 9 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: see great golf on the PGA Tour, and if you're 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: watching live, if you're trying to say that you're not 11 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: seeing great golf, I don't know what you're looking at 12 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: because I work with players on live and I see 13 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: them doing the exact same thing that they did there 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: that they did when they played the PGA Tour. I 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: fundamentally don't understand why there seems to be this choice 16 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: that you have to make between the PGA Tour and Live. 17 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's golf, and if 18 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: you are a fan of golf, you can watch golf 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: wherever you want to. You can see great golf on 20 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. You can see great golf on the 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: LPGA Tour. You can see great golf on the DP 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 1: World Tour, and you can see great golf on Live. 23 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: And I think if you look at the caliber of 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: players that are playing on live, I think it's naive 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: to say that they're not great players because that's where 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: they chose to go to. I think the way that 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: the live guys performed at the Masters went a long 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: way to debunking this myth that everybody that went to 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: live their careers were over, that they were washed up. 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: I think after the Masters, the narrative that a lot 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: of people that are anti live were trying to portray 32 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: that the players were at war with each other and 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: they didn't like each other. I think everybody saw that 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: that was not the case, and I think you're seeing 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: great golf. I think brooks Kepka, I'm currently working with 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: Brooks Kepka. Brooks is playing some of the best golf 37 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: I've seen him play. The way his golf swing is working, 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: the way his body is working, the caliber of golf 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: he is playing right now is very, very similar to 40 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: the golf that he was playing in twenty nineteen when 41 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: he was the number one player in the world and 42 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: win in majors. At a pretty steady click. I think 43 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson the resurgence of the way Phil Mickelson is 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: playing after playing the way he played in the Masters 45 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: at his age, the way he played over the last 46 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And my issue with the anti live 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: people are I would say the majority of them have 48 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: never come to an event. They don't watch any of 49 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: the events, they don't come to any of the events, 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: and everything they hear is rumor or hearsay. They are 51 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: not part of the live ecosystem. They're not in the 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: locker room, they're not talking to the players. They've chosen 53 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: to make up their own mind. And there seems to 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: me to be more of a push from the PGA 55 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: Tour side to choose between the PGA Tour and Live 56 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: than the live guys. And I just fundamentally don't understand 57 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: why you have to make a choice. If you are 58 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: a fan of golf, you can choose to watch your 59 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: golf wherever you want to watch it, and you can 60 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: choose to watch the players that you like wherever you 61 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: want to watch them. So I just don't get what 62 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: the beef is to me this this current state of 63 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: Live versus the PGA tour and this choice that in 64 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: my opinion, Jay Monahan and the Boys and Pana Vidral 65 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: wants you to have to make is we don't see 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: that in other sports. And you know the easy to me. 67 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: There's NASCAR and there's Formula one, right, And if you 68 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: haven't watched the Drive to Survive Netflix documentary on Formula One, 69 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: check it out. I've been a huge fan of Formula 70 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: one for a long time and I think it's growing 71 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: and growing in popularity. But if you look at NASCAR 72 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: and you look at F one, it's motor racing. The 73 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: drivers that drive on NASCAR and the drivers that drive 74 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: on Formula One basically all kind of started doing the 75 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: same thing. They were started in kart racing and they 76 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: did it at a young age and that's how they 77 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: got into motor racing. And if you look at the product, 78 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: one goes around in a circle. Yeah, there's a couple 79 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: of NASCAR events that are road tracks, but the majority 80 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: of the NASCAR events are in an oval track and 81 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: they just go round in circles and there is a massive, 82 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: massive following for that. And then you have F one 83 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: that is kind of through street racing and different. So 84 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: motor racing, different product, maybe different demographic, definitely different sponsors. 85 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: NASCAR you've got for Chevrolet, Toyota, F one, you've got Ferrari, 86 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: you've got Mercedes, You've got Asked and Martin. And maybe 87 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: the fans are different, Maybe the fans are from a 88 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: different socioeconomic background. I don't know. But what I do 89 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: know is all of the best drivers in NASCAR and 90 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: Formula One are all flying to every race on their 91 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: own private jet. They all live in mansions, they're all making, 92 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, scary money, and nobody in those sports are 93 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: asking you to make a choice between one or the other. 94 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: So to me, all of this is just golf. And 95 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: if you like golf, you can watch golf anywhere you 96 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: choose to watch. You don't have to make a choice. 97 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: If you're making a choice for your own personal reasons, 98 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: that's I guess that's your choice. And but you don't 99 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: have to And I think the products aren't really that 100 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: difficult different, you know, Yeah, fifty four holes versus seventy 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: two holes. There are people that some people that like that, 102 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: and listen, I think we're seeing good golf everywhere. I 103 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: think it's unbelievable to see the rise of Tony for 104 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 1: Now on the PGA Tour. I think you know Tony 105 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: for Now winning yet again. He won a bunch of times. 106 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: At the end of last year. He hadn't figured out 107 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: how to win. Before he's figured out how to win. 108 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: That's an unbelievable story. That's a great, great story. That's 109 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: good for golf. And one of the things that I 110 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about Taylor Gooch, the golf that he 111 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: is playing. He's won two tournaments back to back on 112 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: Live and I'm telling you, this kid, the game that 113 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: Taylor Gooch has, he's so so impressive. He's an old 114 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: school shot maker. Whatever the hole kind of tells you 115 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: it needs to, if it's a right to left or 116 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: it's a left to right, he hits that shot. He 117 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: can hit it high, he can hit it low. I 118 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: was lucky enough to spend a lot of time last 119 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: year with Taylor Goodchi was on DJ's four Aces team, 120 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: and the guy is just so so impressive, and I 121 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: didn't realize how good of a player he was. I 122 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: didn't realize all these different shots that he had. And 123 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: in an era where a lot of the top players 124 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: are kind of going to one shot and becoming one 125 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: dimensional and having tremendous success doing it. Taylor's a little 126 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: bit of a throwback, a throwback to a guy that 127 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: if it's a dog leg from left to right, he's 128 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: gonna hit that shot. If it's a dog leg from 129 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: right to left, he's gonna hit that shot. If you 130 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: have to hit it high to a backpin, he's gonna 131 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: hit that one. If you're gonna have to hit it low, 132 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: he can hit that one. So it has been unbelievably 133 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: impressive to watch him play the two rounds. The Friday 134 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: Saturday round he played down in Australia. I mean it 135 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 1: was like he was playing a different golf course. The score, 136 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he was a million under. He took a 137 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: ten shot lead into the final round, had a little 138 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: bit of a wobble, a bunch of guys made a 139 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: run at him and ends up winning. And it was 140 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: a dominant, dominant performance. And then we went to Singapore 141 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: last week Sunday he was in a duel with Sergio 142 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: Garcia and Brooks Keepka down the stretch and was able 143 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: to win in a playoff with against Sergio Garcia eight 144 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: million dollars in six rounds. I'll go ahead and say 145 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: that again. Eight million dollars in six rounds, and anybody 146 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: that's listening that says, it's not about the money, it's 147 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: not about the money. It's not about the money. If 148 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: it's not about the money, right, and if golfers are 149 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: just playing and it's not about the money, then why 150 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: does everybody have an agent? Rory McElroy has an agent, 151 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: Justin Thomas has an agent, Jordan Speith has an agent, 152 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: Scotty Scheffler has an agent. Everybody in professional golf has 153 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: an agent. Why do we know who Mark Steinberg is. 154 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: He's an agent, He's Tiger's agent. The reason all these 155 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: players have agents is, to newsflash, to try and make money. 156 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: They're trying to make as much money as possible as 157 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: a professional athlete. That is what every professional athlete is 158 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: trying to do. It will come across I guess to 159 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people listening that I am pro live. 160 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm not pro live. I want Live to succeed because 161 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: I am pro athlete. I have never I'm not a 162 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: part of an organization, right. I am a golf instructor, 163 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: employed by professional golfers, employed by professional athletes, and I 164 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: don't work for the USGA, the RNA, the PGA of America, 165 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. I don't work for those organizations. I 166 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: work for athletes. I work for professional golfers, and I 167 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: believe that professional golfers should be like everybody else. They 168 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: should have the opportunity to make as much money as 169 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: their talent allows them to make. I think Rory McElroy 170 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: should be able to go anywhere in the world and 171 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: play golf and be paid to show up. I think 172 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: Scotti Scheffler should be able to go anywhere in the 173 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: world and play golf, and if an organizer, if a 174 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: sponsor of a tournament wants to pay him to show up, 175 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: I think he's earned that right by the talent that 176 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: he has. So it's about the money. The tour tried 177 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: to put out this thing about legacy and trophies, and 178 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: I think everybody kind of knows that that's not the case, 179 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: given the choices that the PGA Tour has chosen to 180 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: make with designated events, no cut events, upping the purse. 181 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: If it's just about legacy and trophies, there would be 182 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: no prize money. Everybody on the PGA Tour would play 183 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: for free, so you don't have to choose. You can 184 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: watch golf wherever you want it, but as someone that 185 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: is part of the live ecosystem, and listen, that's not 186 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: a choice that I'm make. All of my players just 187 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: went to live and because I'm employed by them, that's 188 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: where they go. I think, I don't know, And you know, 189 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: I've talked to Brooks extensively about this, you know, at 190 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: the PG or at the at the Masters. You know, 191 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: Brooks was leading for three rounds and a lot of 192 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: the media tried to portray that Brooks wasn't a live 193 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: guy and that he was a guy that was looking 194 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: to come back. Brooks is not looking to come back. 195 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: Brooks just doesn't have any animosity towards the PGA Tour. 196 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: He doesn't have any animosity towards j Monahan. He invited 197 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: J Monahan to his wedding. He doesn't have any animosity 198 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: to the guys. He doesn't think that the PGA Tour 199 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: is bad. He just has made a choice to go 200 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: play somewhere else. And you know, players in other sports 201 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: make choices to leave other teams for financial reasons, and 202 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: maybe it's just that we've never seen that before in golf, 203 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: but it's here. I think the caliber of play. I 204 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: worked with PGA Tour players and I was on the 205 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: European Tour. Started my career on the European Tour in 206 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, and since two thousand and two, 207 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: I've basically been coaching professional golfers on the PGA Tour 208 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: except for the last year and a half. The golf 209 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: that's being played on live is no different than the 210 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: golf that was being played on the PGA Tour. Everybody 211 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: still has coaches, everybody still has trainers, everybody still has physios. 212 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: So if they just took the money and nobody cared, 213 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: then nobody would have a coach, nobody would have a trainer, 214 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: nobody would have a physio. They'd all just be showing 215 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: up zero practice, not working on their body, not working 216 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: on their golf swing, because they'd all got in the 217 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: bag and they'd all been paid. So this narrative that 218 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: you know you have to choose between the PGA Tour 219 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: or live is crazy. I mean, it's gotten so crazy 220 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: that Chase Keepka makes a hole in one at a 221 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: live tournament in Australia, and I heard some clowns on 222 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: a podcast trying to say that it was staged, that 223 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: it was fake, that it was It was a coincidence 224 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, a bunch of people had 225 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: the footage and they all posted at the same time. 226 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: When somebody makes a hole in one and you're at 227 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: the tournament, you're going to post the video. My wife 228 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: came down to Adelaide to Australia and was on the 229 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: twelfth hole with her brother and my brother in law 230 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: when Chase made the hole of one. She immediately sent 231 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: the video. You've got these clowns doing podcasts going, look 232 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: like it was stage. Maybe a drone flew in the ball, 233 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: and because it wasn't live, and because it was tape delayed, 234 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,119 Speaker 1: and because it was in Australia, it wasn't live in America, 235 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: these clowns are saying, yeah, it seems like it's stage. 236 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: So if it doesn't happen live on American television, that 237 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: means that it's not real and it didn't happen. I mean, 238 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: that's where we're at. And if you need an example 239 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: of how crazy this whole thing has become, that to 240 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: me is a seminal moment. You've got people that think 241 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: somebody making a hole in one on a whole kind 242 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: of like the sixteenth pole at Waste Management, thinking that 243 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: that was staged and rigged. If that's how far the 244 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: rabbit down the rabbit hole you are with the PGA 245 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: Tour and all of their paid media and all the 246 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: people that are trying to discredit Live, then you know, 247 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know what to tell you. But what 248 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: I can tell you is the golf being played on 249 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: Live is the same golf that's being played on the 250 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. And Taylor Gooch is a legit in my opinion, 251 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: He's a legit top twenty five, top fifteen player in 252 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: the world. I think Taylor Gooch will have legit chances 253 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: the rest of the year in the three remaining majors. 254 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if he has a chance 255 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: to and I wouldn't be surprised if he winned one. 256 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: He has the type of game that suits every type 257 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: of golf course. He has the type of game that 258 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: suits regular tournaments. He has the type of game that 259 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: suits major turnment. And the best part about Taylor is 260 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: he believes so much in himself. He's one of those 261 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: players that quietly has this inner confidence of he believes 262 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: in his own ability. He believes in what he's doing. 263 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: And don't be surprised if ce Taylor Gooch on the 264 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: leader board in a major sometime this summer, because and 265 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: he's going for three live tournaments in a row, three 266 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: live tournaments in a row. If he were to win 267 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: Tulsa next week, I mean, he's getting close to twenty 268 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: million dollars this year in prize money. And again, anyone 269 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: that tries to tell you that golf professional golf is 270 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: just about legacy and just about trophies, you're drinking the 271 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: kool aid, because everybody playing professional golf is playing professional 272 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: golf for money. The guys on the Live Tour are 273 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: doing that, guys on the PGA Tour are doing that. 274 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna keep saying this. You don't have to choose. 275 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: If you're a fan of golf, you can watch your 276 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: golf wherever you want to watch it. The tournament down 277 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: in Adelaide was one of the coolest tournaments I've been to. 278 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: You can tell that the Australian golf public is starved 279 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: for professional golf. Yes they have tournaments, yes they used 280 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: to have a tour, but they've never seen that many 281 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: great players in one place at one time, and it 282 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: was fun Fisher, the DJ. He flew in from Coachella 283 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: for thirteen hours. He was in Australia for thirteen hours, 284 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: played a DJ set. I think Saturday night after the round, 285 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: almost twenty thousand people showed up to watch a DJ 286 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: at a golf tournament. I met a lot of people. 287 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: I asked people why they were there. They said, Hey, 288 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: we never get an opportunity to see these great players. 289 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: We want to come out and see the best players 290 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: in the world. I had people say, Hey, any chance 291 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: that we can see the best players in the world, 292 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: we're going to take advantage of that. And I think 293 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: the best players of the world are players playing professional golf, 294 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: not which tour they're playing on the PGA Tour. They 295 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: want you to think that all of the best players 296 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: in the world play there, and that's just not the case. 297 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: There are great players playing golf all over the world. 298 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that's come out 299 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: really since the Masters is, you know, Taylor Goots Shoots 300 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: plays a great tournament in Adelaide. He goes down in 301 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 1: the world rankings, beats a bunch of players that are 302 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: higher ranked than him. In the world rankings, and it's 303 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: just it's crazy to me that we still have this 304 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: kind of debate. If you go to a live tournament 305 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: and don't like it, that's okay. If you watch a 306 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: live tournament and don't like what you see, that's okay too. 307 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: But you can like both. I believe the PGA Tour 308 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: and live can both be true at the same time. 309 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: But I am seeing the same calid. I've been saying 310 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: this for months now. I've never seen Brooks kept goa 311 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: work harder than he's working right now. He didn't work 312 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: this hard in twenty nineteen on his game because he 313 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: didn't have to. He went through a bad couple of years. 314 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: He's trying to get back to being the best player 315 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: in the world. He's trying to get back to winning 316 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: major championships. He had a legit chance to win the Masters. 317 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: I think Brooks is going to have legit chances to 318 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: win all three of the next majors. And I wouldn't 319 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: be surprised at all if Brooks kept Go won one 320 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: of those. And yeah, I'm biased. You know the reason 321 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: I'm biased is because I coach him, and I watch 322 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: what he does, and I watch how he plays golf, 323 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: and I look at the rest of the players playing 324 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: professional golf and I don't see any difference. And all 325 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: these people that thought he was washed up and just 326 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: took the bag and went to live and was going 327 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: to be insignificant, I promise you that's not going to 328 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: be the case. And if you look at the golf 329 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: that Phil Mickelson has been playing recently, it's it's pretty 330 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: impressive if you look at the way Phil looked twelve 331 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: months ago versus the way he looks now, the dedication 332 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: and the work that he's put into getting himself in shape, 333 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: and I think he is. He is flourishing on Live 334 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: in the role that he's got. I think he loves 335 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: having a team. And I'm here to tell you, guys, 336 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: the team concept on Live is real. It really is. 337 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: The guys like playing for the team. The teams that 338 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: I work with, You Brooks's on his team, Team Smash 339 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: DJ and Pat Perez who I work with, are on teammatess. 340 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: Pretty much every single time we all get to the 341 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: golf course at the same time. We breakfast together, we 342 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: practice together, we play practice rounds together. The teams eat 343 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: and play practice rounds together. It's very much a team concept. 344 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: So anyone that thinks all of this team stuff isn't real, 345 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 1: I promise you it is. And looking at the players 346 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: and looking at how much they've embraced that, but also 347 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: looking at the fans. I couldn't believe how many people 348 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: were buying merchandise in Adelaide. And you know, we were 349 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: staying in downtown Adelaide in Australia and on the weekend 350 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 1: we're going out to dinner and you just see people 351 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: in town walking around with live merch and live team 352 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: merch and there are loads of people that are telling 353 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: you they have no fan base, nobody cares, and nobody's interested. 354 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: And I've been to every live event and that's just 355 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: not the case. So you can watch golf and choose golf, 356 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: and there are some great golf being played. Boyd Summer 357 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: hates coaches, both Tony Finow and Taylor Gooch. He's been 358 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: on the pod before. If you get a chance, go 359 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: back and listen. I think Boyd's one of the best 360 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: coaches out there, but two really really good young players, 361 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: and I think the game is in a very very 362 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: good place because I think the caliber of golf that's 363 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: being played is just phenomenal. I mean, you've got John 364 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: Rahm again with a chance to win. That's great for golf. 365 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: Sergio Garcia playing great last week. Whether a Sergio fan 366 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: or not, I don't care. Sergio is a great golfer 367 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: and it was great to see Sergio win again or 368 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: have a chance to win again. And Brooks right there 369 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: in the mix, missed the playoffs by one shot. If 370 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: you look at the caliber of golf he's playing, he 371 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: won in Orlando the week before, the week before the Masters, 372 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: finished second at the Masters, and just finished second again. 373 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: So the litmus test for me for professional golf, I 374 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: don't care where you play. If you're winning tournaments and 375 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: have chances to win tournaments, you're playing good. So let's 376 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: get to the questions. I put out questions yesterday on 377 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: my Instagram and got a bunch of people, a lot 378 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: of Brooks questions, obviously, you know, kind of asking kind 379 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: of what we've been working on and what he's been 380 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: working on. I think the big changes set and I've 381 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: talked about this, but a lot of the stuff that 382 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: we've done with Brooks's game is set up related. And 383 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: last week it's funny Brooks had a chance to win 384 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: the tournament last week and the range at Sintosa, the 385 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: golf course in Singapore. The tea was at the top 386 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: and then it was a very very steep dive down 387 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: and then there was a bottom part of the range. 388 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: And Tuesday, I've never seen Brooks hit it worse. Wednesday, 389 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen Brooks hit it worse. And finally he 390 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: was just like, I hate downhill ranges because the ball 391 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: comes out it looks like it's going too high. He 392 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: was trying to flight the golf ball down. So from 393 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: Thursday onward, Brooks did all of his warm ups at 394 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: the bottom of the range so he could hit uphill. 395 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: But a lot of what we've been working on with 396 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: Brooks is set up related ball position, set up alignment. 397 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: Every now and again, if you see Brooks on TV 398 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: warming up, you'll see him kind of have his caddy, 399 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: Ricky Elliott stand in to where he's set up, and 400 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: Brooks wants to know where he's lining up. So I 401 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: would say the majority of the work that we've done 402 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: in the last six months has been all stuffed before 403 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: Brooks hits the golf ball, making sure the golf ball 404 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: doesn't get too far back in his stands and working 405 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: on his a ligne. All of the setup things in 406 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: Brooks's in the way he sets up to it kind 407 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: of are the domino effect to where he how he 408 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: swings the golf club. So when the golf ball gets 409 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: too far back, if he gets aimed too far to 410 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: the right, then the takeaway doesn't get outside going back, 411 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: he doesn't get it in front of him coming down, 412 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: and it's hard for him to manage what the path 413 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: and the face are doing when the setup gets off. 414 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: So if you are struggling with your own golf swing, 415 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: make sure you're looking at the basics. They're not sexy. 416 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: You don't see a lot of YouTube videos. You don't 417 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: see a lot of YouTube videos. You don't see a 418 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: lot of Instagram posts from all the golf influence frontsers 419 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: talking about grip, stance, posture, and alignment. And I'm going 420 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: to tell you that in twenty twenty three, grip, pasture, 421 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: ball position, alignment still have a massive, massive effect on 422 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: how you hit the golf ball. So a lot of 423 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: what we've done with brook is just set up related, 424 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: and as a result of that, I think it's allowed 425 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: him to know that, Okay, I'm set up in the 426 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: right place. My ball position is in the right place, 427 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: and I can then go ahead and swing the golf 428 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: club the way I want to. The good thing right 429 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: now for Brooks is all the misses are out of 430 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: the center of the club face, not so much off 431 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: the toe and not so much off the heel, which 432 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: shows us that he's pretty much where he wants to be. 433 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: And he keeps saying that, okay, okay, I missed that one, 434 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: missed a little bit of where I was trying to go, 435 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: but it's right out of the center of the face. 436 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: He's found a driver that he really likes. He went 437 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: up and loft at the tournament that he won in Orlando. 438 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: He's he used a different driver than he used in 439 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: Orlando that he used at the Masters. From the start 440 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: of the year, he went from eight degrees of loft. 441 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: He's up to ten and a half degrees of loft now. 442 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: When he had the eight degrees of loft, he just 443 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: didn't see enough on the face and it really got 444 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: him to try and hit the golf ball up. That's 445 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: the death move for Brooks. Brooks places best when he 446 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: hits down on it, especially with the driver. Brooks kind 447 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: of cruises. When he plays his best golf, he's probably 448 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: one to one and a half degrees down on it 449 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: because he likes to kind of be able to hit down, 450 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: swing left and hit that kind of bullet cut. But 451 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: I think we're going to continue to see Brooks play well. 452 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: I think his short game is very, very underrated. The 453 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: work that he's done with Pete Cowen. He has hit 454 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: some unbelievable short game shots when it matters. And you know, 455 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily put as good down the stretch in 456 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: Singapore last week, but he feels like his speed was 457 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: just a little off. And but Brooks is healthy, Brooks 458 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: is confident, and I think we are going to see 459 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: Brooks continue to have chances to win tournaments. Let's see 460 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: I get asked best golf swing ever. I'm biased, but 461 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: Tiger two thousand that was probably the best I've ever 462 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: seen anyone swing the golf club since then. I mean, 463 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: Adam Scott, Nelly Korda, I mean their golf swings are 464 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: pretty good. I think Nelly Korda has one of the 465 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: best golf swings in professional golf men, women, boys, girls. 466 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: I don't care her golf swing is. I mean, I 467 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: got to watch it up close at the Women's US 468 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: Open last year, And I mean, if Nelly Korda's hitting 469 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: golf balls on the driving range and I'm on a 470 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: driving range, I'm going to stop and watch because that's 471 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: how legit good her golf swing is. Now, I think 472 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: a lot of times people get confused with golf swings, 473 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: and that's kind of a thing you've heard me talk 474 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: about on the pod before, this kind of technique versus execution. 475 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: If it was solely on technique, I think Adam Scott 476 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: and Nelly Quorter would win every week. It'd be like 477 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: figure skating. There would be judges, they'd be looking at 478 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: the technique and they'd be going giving nine to five, 479 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: ten nine, nine, nine to eight. But that's not what 480 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: golf is. Golf is execution, it's not technique. So when everybody, 481 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: when anytime anybody asks me about golf swings that I 482 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: like and who I think has good golf swings, I 483 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: always make the distinction between esthetics and function, and functional 484 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: golf swings to me are way more important than aesthetically 485 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: pleasing golf swings. Jim Furick, Steve Elkington have the exact 486 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: same amount of major Championships, one each. They both won 487 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: the Players Championships. They both have vastly, vastly different golf swings. 488 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: Steve Elkington another guy that is a great, great golf swing. 489 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: The way he swings the golf club beautiful, The positions 490 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: he puts the golf clubs in beautiful. But golf isn't 491 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: about golf swings. Golf is about hitting golf balls and 492 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: hitting golf shots. I had a couple of people asked 493 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: if I've been blacklisted from the PGA Tour for working 494 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: with Live, and what do I miss about the PGA 495 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: Tour and what's different about Live? The main thing I 496 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: miss about the PGA Tour is all the players and 497 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: the caddies. That's the thing I missed the most. It 498 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: was so great at Augusta National to see a bunch 499 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: of players and caddies that I hadn't seen, really, you know, 500 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: in almost six seven months, and that was really really cool. 501 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: What are the differences between the PGA Tour and Live? 502 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: I guess the obvious choice from a coaching standpoint, and 503 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: this is just from my own per personal experience. I 504 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: get treated better on Live than I ever got treated 505 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour rarely was I ever. The PGA 506 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: Tour for coaches is all about where you can't go, right, 507 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot I can't go. I can't have breakfast 508 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: or lunch with a player because I'm not allowed in 509 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: in player dining. For a long time, we weren't allowed 510 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: in the locker room. It's it's very, very different. In 511 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: my this is just my opinion. Coaches, trainers, physios, and 512 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: caddies are seen as part of the tour, the PGA 513 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Tour and the way that the PGA Tour operates. You know, 514 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: for a long time, caddies weren't allowed in the locker 515 00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: room at a PGA Tour event. I can eat with 516 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: a player. I can eat with a caddie and a player. 517 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't have to pay for food at a PGA 518 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: Tour event. I have no access for food. I have 519 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: to pay my own food. Live, the hotels we stay 520 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: in tend to be near or similar to the ones 521 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: the players stay in. There's shuttles to and from the 522 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: golf course, and and it just as a coach on Live, 523 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: you you feel like you're a part of the tour. 524 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: You feel like you're important, you feel like the tour 525 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: feels like you're an important part of the player, and 526 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: I never felt like that on the PGA Tour. I 527 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: always felt like I was guessed. I really did. I 528 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: felt like I was going to a PGA Tour event, 529 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: I had a credential. But then you walk around. You 530 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: look at all of these people that work for the 531 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: PGA Tour, and they've got the alphabet on their badges, right. 532 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: That means they can basically go everywhere. They park in 533 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: the same places that the players park in. They're eating 534 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: meals in the clubhouse, and everybody else is just kind 535 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: of on outside of that circle. They're in the inner circle. 536 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: And I think that's been the interesting thing, in my opinion, 537 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the differences between Live and the PGA Tour. 538 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: It's been as much a business experiment as it's been 539 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: a social experiment. Everybody that is part of Live feels 540 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: like they're part of something, and that comes from the 541 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: tour making you feel like you're part of what's going on, 542 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: that you're an integral part of the event and the tour, 543 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. For however many years, I was on 544 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: the PJ Tour and I was on the PGA Tour 545 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: for a long time. I always felt like I was guessed. 546 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: I always felt like and I was treated like a guest. 547 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: And I think you would if you asked all the 548 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: coaches that are currently coaching on the PGA Tour, they 549 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: tell you the exact same thing. Now, there are a 550 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: lot of people that say, hey, Lives only forty eight 551 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: players versus how many people play every week on the 552 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. Obviously it's easier to make those changes. But 553 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: every year at the Tour Championship, there's thirty players in 554 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: that never allowed in the clubhouse, not allowed to eat, parking, 555 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: never get parking, all of that stuff. Now, obviously these 556 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: are first world problems, right, I'm gonna hold by hand up. 557 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: These are first world problems. I'm not digging ditches, right, 558 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 1: I'm not Nicole Mine. I work with professional golfers. I'm 559 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: not curing cancer. But when people ask me, what's the 560 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: difference the tour, Live, in my opinion, treats everyone better 561 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: than I ever saw on the PGA Tour. And one 562 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: of the interesting things I find about all the people 563 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: that are anti Live is they've never been a part 564 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour. I've never been a part of 565 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: the Live ecosystem. All of us that make these comments 566 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: about the PGA Tour, from players, from caddies, from coaches, 567 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: from everybody that has now gone to live. We were 568 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: all part of the PGA tours ecosystem for years, right, 569 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: so when we talk about it, we talk about it 570 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: because that's we lived it. We saw it on a 571 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: daily basis. Most of the people that are anti live 572 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: won't even watch, they won't even go to a tournament. 573 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: They act like it doesn't exist. So when I get 574 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: asked what's the difference, I feel more welcome on Live 575 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: than I ever felt on the PGA Tour. That's for sure. 576 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: Great question. Tour player coaching relationship you learn the most 577 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: from I guess if I had to think about that, 578 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: I guess it would be Trevor Immerman. Trevor Immerman was 579 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: the first real tour player that I ever worked with. 580 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: I moved to Europe in the early two thousands, and 581 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: up until that point, i'd worked in Vegas for my dad. 582 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: I was around for the glory years of my dad 583 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: working with Tiger, and I'll be honest with you, when 584 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: I worked in Las Vegas from about nineteen ninety eight 585 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: until two thousand and two, I just kind of spit 586 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: out what I heard my dad telling people, and he 587 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: was telling people the Wright stuff. So it worked. But 588 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: I didn't really know anything. I just kind of knew 589 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: what I heard from my dad and watching other people. 590 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: I had no idea what I really believed in the 591 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: golf swing, what I thought made players better. So when 592 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: I moved to Europe and started working on the European 593 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: Tour in two thousand and two, Trevor Immelman, who is 594 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: a very very dear friend of mine, we're still close. 595 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: I think he's doing an unbelievable job at CBS. But 596 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: Trevor was playing in Europe and he was the first 597 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: player that I ever really got to work with, and 598 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: it was an opportunity for me to go, Okay, I've 599 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: learned all of this stuff from my dad. I've taken 600 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: in all of this knowledge, and how do I apply 601 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: it now without a safety net? Because before I was 602 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: working in a place where my dad was around. If 603 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: I got in trouble, if I wasn't figuring something, and 604 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: I could say, hey, Dad, take a look at this way, 605 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: do you think and he'd bail me out. So when 606 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: I went to work in Europe, I realized that I 607 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: didn't really know anything, and I had to figure out 608 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: what I believed in the golfer. I had a lot 609 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: of knowledge, but I didn't know how to apply any 610 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: of it. So Trevor was really the first player that 611 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: I was able to kind of go, Okay, this is 612 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: what he's coming to me with as a player, and 613 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: these are kind of the ways that I'm going to 614 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: go about trying to help him get better. And I 615 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: made a conscious effort at that time to not kind 616 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: of seek my dad's opinion or counsel because one of 617 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: the things I think is really important is an intructors 618 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: is you have to fail. You have to make mistakes. 619 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: I think that's important in life in general, and you 620 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: learn from the mistakes you make way more than the 621 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: successes that you have. And so I worked with Trevor 622 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: for a number of years and kind of helped, I 623 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't say resurrect his career, but he was supposed to 624 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: be a superstar at a young age and kind of 625 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: not really developed the way that he had wanted to. 626 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: And the work that we did together, he won, you know, 627 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: some golf tournaments, the first real professional win I ever 628 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: had with a player. Was when Trevor won in two 629 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: thousand and three, I think at the South African Open 630 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: he won the South African which was a huge win 631 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: from him, But that was a huge win for me 632 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: and I learned a lot in the years that I 633 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: worked with Trevor, and I still look back on those days, 634 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, incredibly fondly because they were hugely, hugely important 635 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: in my development. So I can't thank Trevor enough for 636 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: choosing to hire me in two thousand and two, because 637 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I would have gotten to where i'd 638 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: gotten I have gotten today and been able to work 639 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: with the players that I work with if it hadn't 640 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: been for Trevor given me a break and taking a 641 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: chance on me. And you know, I'll be indebted to 642 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: Trevor for the rest of my life for doing that. 643 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: Best way to continue learning about golf coaching books, podcasts. 644 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: I think we're in a fantastic time if you're a 645 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: golf instructor. 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There's so many outlets now, there's 648 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: so many great things that you can you know, watch 649 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: and learn from I think the great thing for me 650 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: is I think in the last I'd say in the 651 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: last fifteen years, I've been exposed to so many people 652 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: that are not part of the inner circle of golf. 653 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: They're from other sports, and they're from other backgrounds, And 654 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: I have learned probably more in the last fifteen years 655 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: from non golf people and try to apply that to 656 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: golf than I have necessarily from from golf people. You know, 657 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,399 Speaker 1: I try and listen and learn from as many coach 658 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: as I can. I try and ask as many questions 659 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: as I possibly can. You know, when at Augusta National, 660 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: because we're not allowed to go on the golf course 661 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: in practice rounds. It's the only professional golf tournament that 662 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: is coaches. The rules that Augusta National are no coaches 663 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: inside the ropes. So what that means is a lot 664 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: of coaches have a lot of time to sit around 665 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: because they can't go out and watch their players. So 666 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time with other coaches, and 667 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: you know, anytime I can sit with Cameron McCormick, who 668 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: I've had on the podcast before, anytime I can pick 669 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: Cam's brain. I mean, I ask as many questions as 670 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: I can I'll show him swings on juniors that I'm 671 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: working with or players that I'm working with. What do 672 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: you think about this? What do you think about that? 673 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: Phil Kenyon, who I've had on the pod, who I 674 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: think is the best putting instructor on the planet. You know, 675 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: I'll sit and talk to Phil about what do you 676 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: think about this guy's doing? What do you think about 677 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: that guy's doing. I had some really cool conversations with 678 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: Brandy Smith, who coaches Scotti Scheffler. Randy is the ultimate 679 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: old school. He's in the vein of my dad to 680 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to pick his brain and listen and 681 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: kind of hear what he has to say. And then 682 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: I try and talk to as many players as I can. 683 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: Patrick Reid, whether you like Patrick Reid, whether you don't 684 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: like your Pat Patrick Reid, that's your choice. I don't 685 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: care whether you like him or you don't like him. 686 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: But as a golfer, the guy's a hell of a golfer. 687 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: And I've been he plays a lot of practice rounds. 688 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,879 Speaker 1: Because he's on DJ's team now, he plays a lot 689 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: of practice rounds. I mean, I'm videoing his short game 690 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: because the guy is just a genius when it comes 691 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: short game. I mean, I think Patrick reads short game 692 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: is on a par with anyone, and that includes Sevi 693 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: Biosteros as well. I know Billy Foster, who has caddied 694 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: for Sevy before rates Patrick reads short game as being 695 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: one of the best he's ever seen and just trying 696 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: to pick his brain. So I think if you're going 697 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: to be in instruction and you want to try and 698 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: give lessons and stuff, you need to ask as many 699 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: questions as you can and try and find as much 700 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: knowledge as you can. My dad has always said that 701 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: if you're a golf instructor, find the instructor or the 702 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: coach whose thoughts and theories and opinions on the golf 703 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: swing you disagree with the most, and then go listen 704 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: to them give a seminar. You should be able to 705 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: find something from listening to somebody that you definitely didn't 706 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: agree with and go oh, I kind of like that part. 707 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 1: So I try and pick the brains of as many 708 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: people as I can and just try and get as 709 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: much information as I possibly can which will help me 710 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: become a better instructor. This is a good question. Do 711 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: pro golfers have swing thoughts or is it solely focusing 712 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: on landing points. I think every golfer is different, and 713 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: I kind of look at golfers individually. They all kind 714 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: of learn differently, They all kind of need different things. 715 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: There are players that need a lot of information, there 716 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: are players that don't need a lot of informations. There 717 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: are players that want things complicated, and there are players 718 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: that don't. I work with two players, three players really, 719 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: but DJ and Brooks. They want things as simple as possible. 720 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: They I don't try and impress them with my knowledge. 721 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: I don't try and impress them with fancy terms. We 722 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: work on very specific things. I try and stay on 723 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 1: message with all of them and try and keep them 724 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: working on the same things because I feel like I 725 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: have a good idea as their coach as to what 726 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: makes them great players and what makes them the best 727 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: players in the world. But I do think that you 728 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: have to try and figure out if you're working with 729 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: someone and they're trying to compete as a player, you 730 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: need to figure out what makes that player tick and 731 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: what makes that player good, and how that player receives 732 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: information and how that player absorbs information and what that 733 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: player needs. A great example of that is at the 734 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: Live event in Adelaide. Pat Perez said, listen. I know 735 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: I've talked about this on the pod before the season 736 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: finale for Live last year in Miami. Pat said, listen. 737 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,919 Speaker 1: We'd been working on hitting a fade, and he said, listen, 738 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,399 Speaker 1: I need to I want to go back to hitting 739 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: a draw. And I feel like it's my job to 740 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: listen to the player. And so we got Pat hitting draws. 741 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 1: He played with it pretty good. We got to Adelaide 742 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: and he said, listen, this course is really really tight. 743 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: I feel if I could fade it, it would be 744 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: much easier to me. And this was Wednesday afternoon of 745 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: the tournament, and I said to Pat, I said, okay, 746 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: we know what you need to do to fade it, 747 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: but we've got to bust our ass. You're playing golf 748 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: in a day and a half. So we hit a 749 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: lot of balls Wednesday night. We had a lot of 750 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: balls Thursday, did a lot of work during the practice round, 751 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: and then we hit a lot of balls after the 752 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: practice round, and then we hit a lot of balls 753 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: before Friday to get him back to fading the golf ball. 754 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 1: And had a legit chance to win and had a 755 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: top five and you know it was a really, really 756 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 1: good week for him. I think you have to listen 757 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: to your players. You have to ask your players what 758 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: shots they're trying to hit, what shots they want to hit. 759 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: And again that goes back to me saying that you 760 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: need to ask as many questions as possible. And last one, 761 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: what body part initially starts the downswing? Single word answer. 762 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to give you one word 763 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,280 Speaker 1: answers for that. Unfortunately there isn't a one word answer. 764 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: I think it varies from player to player, and I 765 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: think it definitely varies from what shot you're trying to hit. 766 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: If you're trying to hit in my opinion, if you're 767 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: trying to hit fades, the difference in how you start 768 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: the downswing is very different than if you're trying to 769 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,720 Speaker 1: hit draws, and I think you've got to look at 770 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: what your tendency is. As a generalization, I do think that, 771 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: in my opinion, the downswing for the best players in 772 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: the world starts from the ground up. But having said that, 773 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,320 Speaker 1: the two guys that I work with at fade it 774 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,479 Speaker 1: Brooks and DJ we're always trying to have them feel 775 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: like the golf club gets more in front of them 776 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: on the downswing, because when the golf club gets behind 777 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: them on the downswing, they struggle. So yeah, I mean 778 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,240 Speaker 1: maybe it's a generalization, but if you're trying to fade 779 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: the golf ball, the club needs to work more in 780 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,359 Speaker 1: front of your body than it needs to work more 781 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,959 Speaker 1: behind your body. But I think you've got to look 782 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: at what a player does and then say, Okay, what 783 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: are the keys to help them start the downswing. Some 784 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: people feel it in their feet, some people feel it 785 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: in their knees, some people feel it in their hips, 786 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: some people feel it in their chests, some people feel 787 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: it in the arms. And the golf swing. I just 788 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: don't think there's a one word answer to that question. 789 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: A great question, but I do think a lot of 790 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: it is swing dependent and is dependent on the type 791 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: of shot that you're trying to hit. So that was 792 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,919 Speaker 1: solo episode of the pod. Jumped around a little bit there, 793 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: But like I said, I think with everything that's going 794 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: on in professional golf, the most important thing for me 795 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: is I think we are in an age to where 796 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: we are seeing some of the best golfers and they 797 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,840 Speaker 1: are playing unbelievable golf, and I think golfers are playing 798 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:42,240 Speaker 1: golf all over the world on a myriad of different tours, 799 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: and I think that if you are trying to pigeonhole 800 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,720 Speaker 1: golfers into only being great based off of the tour 801 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,800 Speaker 1: that they play on, I just don't get that argument, 802 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: because I think we are seeing some unbelievable golfers. I 803 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: think we are in a very very rich vein of 804 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: form in professional golf. John Rahm, Scotti Scheffler, young guys 805 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,360 Speaker 1: like Tony Feenow. I think they're playing great golf on 806 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. I think Taylor Gooch, I think Brooks Koepka. 807 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 1: They're playing great golf on LIV. I think Nelly Corda 808 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,399 Speaker 1: is playing great golf on the LPGA Tour. I think 809 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: there are great golfers and great golf swings in the 810 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 1: game of golf, not on specific tours. The game of 811 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: professional golf, I think right now is in a fantastic, 812 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: fantastic place, and whatever side of this battle you're on 813 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: that certain people want a battle to be happening, I 814 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: just don't think you need to. If you like golf 815 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: and you like golf swings, there is great golf being 816 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: played all over the world on a lot of different tours, 817 00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: and I am really really excited about where because I 818 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: think right now we have some tremendous players, we have 819 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: some great champions, and I can't wait for the rest 820 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 1: of this year for the major championships to see how 821 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: this all plays out, because I think we are going 822 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: to see some great battles. I think we are going 823 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: to see some great players winning tournaments, and I think 824 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: we're going to see some surprises, you know, pop up 825 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: over the next three majors, And I can honestly tell 826 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 1: you I am one hundred percent here for it and 827 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch it. Son of a Butcher 828 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,360 Speaker 1: comes to you every Wednesday. Can't thank everybody enough for listening, 829 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: great review, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. We will 830 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,280 Speaker 1: see everyone next week.