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Speaker 1: Here we go, it is our number two live in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Oh it's Chicago. My bad,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm well, who knows where I'm at. I'm

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Speaker 1: in my chair. Jmax in La So. Denver Nuggets are

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Speaker 1: better right now than they were yesterday. Got a couple

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Speaker 1: of shooters. The Houston Rockets, I think are better today

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Speaker 1: than they were yesterday. I don't know if the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Mavericks are better with d Low, but they're deeper. They're

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Speaker 1: scorings deeper. They're waiting for Kyrie to get back, hopefully

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Speaker 1: after the trade deadline. I looked at what happened yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I think everybody in the West looks a little better.

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Speaker 1: Clint Capella goes back to Houston, So Houston's better, Denver's better,

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City's a champ. They don't have to necessarily get

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Speaker 1: that much better. We are in a run of seven years,

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Speaker 1: seven different championships. Today, if I had to guess, I'd

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Speaker 1: say Denver's the best team in the league with Cam

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Speaker 1: Johnson and Bruce Brown narrowly over Houston. I think Dallas

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Speaker 1: is excellent. So is okayc the edit story today, that's Vegas.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers are making it very clear they're not including

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Speaker 1: Lebron in their discussions going forward. They are not as

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Speaker 1: good today as they were yesterday. They don't have a center.

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Speaker 1: The best centers are now gone. DeAndre Ayton's still out there,

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Speaker 1: J mckis is he out there for the taking right now?

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Ayton, Yeah, he's available, calling himself a max player,

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Speaker 3: still obviously not demanding a max contract.

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Speaker 4: But if that's what the Lakers are doing this.

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Speaker 3: Offseason, Jake Laivia and DeAndre Ayton, maybe that they are

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I thought this was funny, Like it's now

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Speaker 1: gotten to a point we have to laugh at it.

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark finished ninth in player voting. In fact, she

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Speaker 1: for the All Star Game. The pettiness has no bounds,

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Speaker 1: but it's interesting. For years, the WNBA players were pointing fingers.

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Speaker 1: They were saying, people are sexist, the media is sexist,

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Speaker 1: We're not being promoted, we're underappreciated, and then they get

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Speaker 1: the golden goose and they don't like what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: Iowa girl, Indiana girl, Well, who knows? And I've said

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Speaker 1: this for years. When the wave hits right it you

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Speaker 1: don't know what it looks like, don't fight it. When

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Speaker 1: Pooka Nakua went in the fifth round of the Rams

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Speaker 1: and they suddenly in camp went, oh, we just found

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Speaker 1: a new number one receiver. He's better than Cooper Cup,

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Speaker 1: they didn't fight it. Did you think when you watched

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady at the Combine that looked like the goat?

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Speaker 1: They had just signed Drew Bledsoe to one hundred and

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Speaker 1: were going to go with Brady, they didn't fight it,

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Speaker 1: and Drew Bledsoe was still very very good. So you know,

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Speaker 1: there's obviously a racial component here. The WNBA players, they

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Speaker 1: just don't like what the wave looks like they wanted

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Speaker 1: wanted a better deal in the CBA, which they'll get.

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Speaker 5: They wanted sold out arenas they got it.

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Speaker 1: They just don't They don't necessarily think it should be this.

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Speaker 1: But again, you can't fight it. You just never know

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Speaker 1: what success looks like. I mean, if every company in

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Speaker 1: Is it authentic? It it touches people. There's a tentacle

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have guessed that Caitlin Clark would be this transformative.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have guessed Tom Brady would be the goat.

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Speaker 1: Don't fight it. The wave, the meteor doesn't necessarily look

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Speaker 1: said this. I was talking to a league executive about

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Speaker 1: like the steeters were making moves to make moves. So,

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Speaker 1: for instance, they move off a very tall, explosive, high

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Speaker 1: just making moves to make moves. I'd argue today they're

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Speaker 6: So here's what I think it is.

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Speaker 7: Colins just from a global standpoint, they got to the

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Speaker 7: got this incredible record with Mike Tomlin of being plus

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Speaker 7: five hundred over the last seventeen years running, and and

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Speaker 7: it just hasn't equaled playoff success over the last seven

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Speaker 7: and how do you break through? And I think that's

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Speaker 6: Swing at that.

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Speaker 7: So they looked at Matthew Stafford. They wind up with

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Speaker 7: can we get a little bit better. So this core

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Speaker 7: of going and pursuing a championship. How does Cam Hayward

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Speaker 6: How does TJ.

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Speaker 7: Watt have the best chance of getting over the hump

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Speaker 7: and not being a nine win team anymore, having a

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Speaker 7: like that's what this is all about. And so I

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Speaker 7: think to some degree, I understand what you're saying about,

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Speaker 7: it looks like that. They feel like Ramsey's a better

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Speaker 7: But where they are right now, it was either do

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Speaker 7: this tread water at nine to ten wins or reset,

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Speaker 7: And I think they look at it as we weren't

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Speaker 7: going to break through that nine to ten eleven win

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Speaker 7: the dice.

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Speaker 6: Let's take a big swing.

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Speaker 7: Let's swing for the fences rather than swing for singles

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Speaker 7: and doubles, and if it works out, great, and if

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Speaker 7: it doesn't, we were going to have to rebuild anyway.

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Speaker 1: So I think if you can make March Madness as

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Speaker 1: a college basketball coach, that's why all these coaches want

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Speaker 1: eighty teams in March Madness, you retain your job in

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Speaker 1: the NFL.

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Speaker 5: If you can make the playoffs. It's hard to fire

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Speaker 5: a coach. I think Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 1: Mike Rabel's really bad news for Mike McDaniel in Miami

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Speaker 1: because I think New England with Drake May, they don't

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Speaker 1: have to pay him for years. I think Vrabel's elite.

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Speaker 1: They spent three hundred million on like Miami's rebuilt with McDaniel,

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Speaker 1: where that was flashy, but I didn't feel there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of steak. I feel there's a lot of steak.

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Speaker 1: Lines are better with Rabel. He's a culture center, a

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Speaker 1: sending quarterback. We were talking about this a couple of

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Speaker 1: from Kyle Shannon. There was a sense is okay, this

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Speaker 1: is forty nine ers East, I got three years. They're

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Speaker 5: Out of Miami.

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Speaker 1: I think Miami is a bit of a mess and

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Speaker 1: McDaniel's is in a bit of trouble for an organization

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Speaker 5: What say you on Miami going forward?

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Speaker 7: Well, he got his extension and I do think mc

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Speaker 7: McDaniel's a great offensive mine and there's no question that

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Speaker 7: he gave them change they needed just the climate the

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Speaker 7: I'm with you, Like, they kind of got to the

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Speaker 7: point where it's like, Okay, now I talked about that

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Speaker 7: And so rather than being whe the Steelers were with

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Speaker 7: still think Tyreek Hill could be had if somebody made

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Speaker 6: Like I think this is.

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Speaker 7: Subtly the turning of the page from the We have

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Speaker 7: Tua Tongue of Baloa on our rookie contract, and we're

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Speaker 7: going to build aggressively, and we're going to find out

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Speaker 7: what Tua is too.

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Speaker 6: Now two is on a big contract.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna need more from Tua and around him, we're

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Speaker 7: think this is the beginning of that process. They got

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Speaker 7: tackle last year out of the University of Houston, didn't

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Speaker 7: to have to be better And to me, like, that's

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Speaker 7: with this hinges on. Mike McDaniel was brought in a

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Speaker 7: and two has played well under Mike McDaniel in that

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Speaker 7: you could build aggressively around him. Now I think it's

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Speaker 7: sort of flipped where it was on Mike. To revitalize Tooa.

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Speaker 7: Now Tua has to prove that Mike was right to

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Speaker 7: where the Mike McDaniel are goes and Chris Spreer is

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Speaker 7: part of this as well, is going to hinge on

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Speaker 7: the point guard out there, who's just got a really

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Speaker 1: So I got into this discussion with John Middlecoff and

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Speaker 1: I were talking about the Packers. So Jordan Love, congrats

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Speaker 1: Okay, finally, let's make because you know I know you're

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Speaker 1: Finally, do you buy the Terry McLaurin Patriots rumors? Because

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Speaker 7: I think the Patriots would love to have Terry McLaurin

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Speaker 7: And he was a captain in Washington, through a rebuild,

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback. Enjoy your summer. Mine starts

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Speaker 1: after the show today for me, and that's great seeing you.

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Speaker 6: Happy summer.

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Speaker 1: Colin, All right, good stuff, Jmack, you're film and tomorrow right?

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Speaker 1: Are you doing the Are you doing the task tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: I am, yes, very excited with all your Lakers hate.

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Speaker 4: I'm cooking up so much stuff.

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Speaker 1: But don't you don't get it out.

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Speaker 5: Don't you think it is interesting? Though?

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Speaker 1: I really like it's restaurant under new management. I do

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Speaker 1: like when you get new owners. The Lakers have new owners.

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Speaker 1: They're really successful and they have I mean, don't you

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Speaker 1: let's say you're Mark Walters and you're sitting there with

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Speaker 1: I mean like everything. You're leading baseball and attendance by

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Speaker 1: roberts Otani. So you're sitting there and you own like

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Speaker 4: An under undervalued asset.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If it's undervalued an underperforming asset, you wouldn't buy it

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Speaker 1: it if you thought it was brilliantly run. Generally, smart

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Speaker 1: the Lakers are the only team not at Sloan Analytics conference,

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Speaker 1: it with the intention of we're going to tighten this

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Speaker 1: I think Polinka's in trouble. They shouldn't be asking Lebron

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean you alienate them, but I think these moves basically,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, j Mac, they sort of punted on

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Speaker 4: It's early.

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Speaker 3: I can see that. It gives that appearance. It looks

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Speaker 4: Hatchi Mora and one of the number ones. For some

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Speaker 4: you don't like it.

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Speaker 5: You don't love Ayton as a movie, neither do I.

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Speaker 3: I don't love Ayton, but at this given the alternatives, Colin,

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Speaker 3: it's like, you know, if you dance and you want

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Speaker 3: Maybe not the ones you love, but you take something

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Speaker 1: I would argue this if you go back and look

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Speaker 5: They fixed scouting, R and D and upstairs.

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Speaker 3: It just it stinks to have to do that in

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Speaker 3: Lebron's maybe final year of basketball. So that leads to

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Speaker 3: do they consider a Lebron trade Colin? Does Lebron say, Hey,

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Speaker 3: this team could work for me? I think if anywhere

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Speaker 3: he's going east, I just don't have a landing spot yet.

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Speaker 4: Need some more time on that, all right?

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Speaker 1: The Rockets and the Nuggets got better. You know I

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Speaker 1: there's been this one solvable, unsolvable and nigma mystery in sports,

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Speaker 1: Why do we have a trend? And the West has

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Speaker 1: Year, Dallas, Okase, Houston and Denver got better in the

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Speaker 1: and the weather's better out West. Maybe free agents like it.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got two Western teams in Texas, San Antonio, Houston,

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Speaker 1: knows what happens with Derek White. So I still contend

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Speaker 1: if the Lakers were honest about what they are now,

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Speaker 1: I would make an Austin Reeves Derek White trade tomorrow

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Speaker 1: if it was available. I think Derek White's a much

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Speaker 1: better defender and a better three point shooter. But story today,

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Speaker 1: Lakers are not even gauging interest around the league on

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves, So this is.

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Speaker 5: Kind of what you have.

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Speaker 1: Which, by the way, if you put the Lakers, if

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Speaker 1: Luca Lebron, Ruy Hatchemora and Austin Reeves were out.

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Speaker 5: East, I think they could vie for.

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Speaker 1: The third best team. Maybe they could vie for the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference championship. With that Haliburton and Tatum. I really

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Speaker 1: believe that in the West.

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Speaker 5: No way.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news, No, this is the herd line news.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got some more Lebron updates. Colin, Listen, this

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Speaker 3: is starting. I don't want to say we're at def

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Speaker 3: Con one or anything like that, but maybe deaf Con three.

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Speaker 4: The bread combs continue to add up.

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Speaker 3: According to Rich Paul, four teams have been poking around

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Speaker 3: about trading for Lebron James Now. Just to put full

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Speaker 3: clarity here, Brian Windhorst, who's all over the Lebron stuff,

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Speaker 3: says that trade is highly unlikely. Others are saying, hey, listen,

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Speaker 3: keep an eye on the Mavericks, although I find that

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Speaker 3: hard to believe that the Lakers would steal Luca and

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Speaker 3: then trade Lebron. Goat back to the Mads. I know

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Speaker 3: there's the Kyrie a d angle. I don't buy it.

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Speaker 3: But Colin, I think we're getting to that discussion.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you don't trade.

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Speaker 3: Lebron, but if Lebron says, hey trade me here, do

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Speaker 3: you have to listen?

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Speaker 4: It's really straight?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, could I not at least make the

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Speaker 1: argument if you're a Laker fan, the time to start

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Speaker 1: over is when you still have assets but you're not

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Speaker 1: a championship team. If you can look in the mirror

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Speaker 1: and go forty one year old Lebron Austin Reeves did

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Speaker 1: get worked in the playoffs. Luca's your guy, but he's

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Speaker 1: an old twenty six. And what do the Lakers need?

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Speaker 1: They need an infusion of youth, because that's what San

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Speaker 1: Antonio has and what Houston has and what Oklahoma City has.

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Speaker 1: Like to me, there's a real argument, if you're honest

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Speaker 1: about it, this is as good as Lebron's gonna get.

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Speaker 1: Lebron could go into the season at forty one, rip

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Speaker 1: up an ACL and it's over.

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Speaker 3: Listen, listen, Okay, I've had enough of glass half full,

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Speaker 3: Colin on the day before you leave town. Okay, stop

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Speaker 3: with the negativity for Lebron and the Lakers.

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Speaker 5: I would move him. I would consider it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So now that's the discussion, because he's gonna make

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Speaker 3: like fifty.

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Speaker 4: Two million next to somebody.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I'm not saying this is not an

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Speaker 1: anti Lebron, but there is a time and a place.

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Speaker 5: I mean, New England moved off Brady. He went and

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Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl the following year.

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Speaker 4: Some of that was Brady wanting to get the hell

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Speaker 4: out well.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers Packers moved off him two years earlier. He

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Speaker 1: was an MVP like all legends. Well, very rarely does

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Speaker 1: the legend control the end.

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Speaker 3: Listen, if Lebron goes on a darkness retreat, I'm okay

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Speaker 3: offloading him, all right, but he's not.

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Speaker 4: Doing that, So I'll just put this out there. Colin.

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Speaker 3: He's in the final year of his contract. Lebron plays

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Speaker 3: his final year, retires, you have a huge opening.

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Speaker 4: On your roster.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to take on bad contracts moving off Lebron.

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 3: I don't want three four year deals, right, I want

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Speaker 3: to just remembering books cleaned.

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Speaker 1: The Mark Walters Group has no loyalty to Lebron.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 5: Genie Bust did this ownership group.

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Speaker 1: It is all about assets. It's credits and debts, assets

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Speaker 1: and liabilities.

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Speaker 5: That's all it is. To the new ownership group.

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Speaker 1: These guys with the Dodgers moved off Zach Granky, Manny Machado,

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Speaker 1: Corey Seeger, Corey Bellinger. And you could say, well, Lebron,

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Speaker 1: Lebron all they care about. They look I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: they look at Luca as the gem. That's their O Tammy,

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Speaker 1: that's their Mookie Betts Luca. It's not forty one year

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Speaker 1: old Lebron. That to me, I'm they're looking at that thinking,

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Speaker 1: this may be the moment, this may be the man

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Speaker 1: we all know. Well, Geenie Buss is gonna be the

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Speaker 1: governor of the operation. So was Mark Cuban with Dallas.

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Speaker 1: When somebody pays ten billion, they're gonna do what they

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Speaker 1: want to do.

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Speaker 4: Certainly, all right, let's move on to a team.

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Speaker 3: You know, we don't really talk about that much in

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Speaker 3: the OKAC Thunder for their fourteen fans. Colin, let's talk

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Speaker 3: about him for a second year. Kevin Durant, who started

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Speaker 3: his career in Seattle, then went to OKAC, knows a

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Speaker 3: little bit about the Thunder, and he went on Lebron's

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Speaker 3: Mind the Game podcast and broke down the thunders Dinah's

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Speaker 3: feet potential.

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Speaker 9: And be that guy for the rest of his career.

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Speaker 9: What is Jayla, Wims and Chat gonna be? You know

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Speaker 9: what I'm saying. Of course, they're playing great right now,

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Speaker 9: but those three guys gotta keep you I mean, is

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Speaker 9: already at that level. But those two guys gotta keep

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Speaker 9: your married. I mean, that's just the facts of it

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Speaker 9: or anything. Those two guys gotta keep stepping up and

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Speaker 9: become perennial All Stars, doubt, no doubt All Stars every

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Speaker 9: year without the benefit of having a good team that

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Speaker 9: sets yes, he's got to be All Star flat out.

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Speaker 5: Remember this too, j Mac.

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Speaker 7: Young.

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Speaker 1: Teams that don't have a title the regular season means

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Speaker 1: a ton. Don't be shocked if OKC wins sixty or

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Speaker 1: fifty eight games next year. They're not pedal to the medal.

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Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. The minute teams win championships,

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Speaker 1: Young Tim Duncan the coaching staffs like, I'm not wearing

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Speaker 1: my guys out. So next year they may not have

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Speaker 1: a number one seed. That's I mean, they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: look like they did this year. You're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: lot of bench, you're gonna get fewer minutes for your stars.

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Speaker 1: They don't win like sixty one games, sixty two games

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Speaker 1: in the regular season, but they won't. They're not good

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Speaker 1: enough offensively to be a dynasty.

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Speaker 5: They're not. I mean, if Halliburton doesn't get hurt.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure they beat I'm not sure they beat Indiana.

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Speaker 4: I'm fairly certain.

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Speaker 3: The last team to get at to win the title

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Speaker 3: and then get out his second round was like the

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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant Curry Warriors. It's just it's been tough to

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Speaker 3: win the title. You know everybody's coming for you. You take

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Speaker 3: your foot off the gas and the next year you.

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Speaker 4: Slip up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see, I'm not buying a dynasty nonsense.

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Speaker 4: Just to put it out there. Final story, let's go

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Speaker 4: to the NFL colin.

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Speaker 3: The Miami Dolphins obviously made a big move yesterday trading

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Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey and John who Smith to the Steelers from

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Speaker 3: Minka Fitzpatrick.

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Speaker 4: Well, former Miami running back.

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Speaker 3: Right he mostered ripped the Dolphins, tweeting out hot take

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Speaker 3: be a pro bowler. All the Dolphins get treated like bleep.

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Speaker 3: Happy for my guys though, go ball out, yeah, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: Sean McVay bailed on Jalen Ramsey. Why Jalen Ramsey's doing

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Speaker 3: whatever Jalen Ramsey wants to do. I mean to bias

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Speaker 3: yourself right now. The Rams have kind of a no

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Speaker 3: name group in the secondary and they're just fine like that.

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Speaker 5: When Sean McVay moves off a.

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Speaker 1: Guy, why Cooper Cup he was regressing Jalen Ramsey doing

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Speaker 1: his own thing.

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Speaker 5: So, I mean Aaron Donald was different. They would have

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Speaker 5: kept him.

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Speaker 1: But Jalen Ramsey anytime he's been in an organization without

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Speaker 1: great structure Jacksonville in Miami, he's not as good as

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Speaker 1: you think he should be. That to be honest about it,

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Speaker 1: he's not like in La he was great, and then

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Speaker 1: that last year You're like, he got burned a couple

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Speaker 1: of times in the playoffs badly because he's doing his

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Speaker 1: He's biting on stuff looking for the pick. That's like

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Speaker 1: the NBA guy that wants steals instead of playing good

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Speaker 1: team defense.

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Speaker 3: I called him a pile inspector, and all these Dolphin

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Speaker 3: fans got upset at me.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, he's just not what he was. He was

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Speaker 4: a star, he's not anymore.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the News, Well, that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by the herd Line News. The other story today,

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Speaker 1: J Mack, that we touched on briefly. Uh, basically, the

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Speaker 1: Bucks bought out the Dame Lillard contract, so uh. Jannis

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Speaker 1: reportedly did not like that. They did get Miles Turner,

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Speaker 1: who I think is an upgrade over Brook Lopez. Lopez

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Speaker 1: aged going to the Clippers. Miles. I like Miles, Miles

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Speaker 1: and Lopez are the same big guys can shoot a three.

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Speaker 1: I think Miles is a better rim protector at this point.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know what the analytics say,

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Speaker 1: but I like Miles Turner more at this point than

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Speaker 1: Brook Lopez. So they upgrade a little bit in the post.

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Speaker 1: But apparently Yannis isn't terribly happy. But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a classic example. Yannis can keep pointing fingers and blaming people.

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Speaker 1: It's like w NBA players, they keep blaming, blaming, blaming.

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Speaker 1: You don't pay attention to us, Caitlin Clark Arrives. We

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Speaker 1: all pay attention, and they don't. They don't like the

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Speaker 1: way their growth looks. Yannis can keep blaming people and

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Speaker 1: do this passive aggressive stuff on Instagram. Bro, you were

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Speaker 1: not a championship team three years ago, and so you

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Speaker 1: you don't want to leave. Let's be honest, you don't.

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Speaker 1: You want to be seen as a nice guy in

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Speaker 1: loyal I get that nobody wants to be hated. But

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Speaker 1: to me, Milwaukee is screaming reboot. That is a total

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Speaker 1: start over. And we can't keep blaming ownership of the

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Speaker 1: MAVs because they're just limitations on what you can do. Here.

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Speaker 1: Here is Chris Haynes today on NBA TV, on Yannis

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Speaker 1: on Damian Lillard being waived.

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Speaker 10: Sources that relate to me that Kupo is not pleased

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Speaker 10: with the bucks decision to buy out Damian Lillar for

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Speaker 10: the remainder of his contract, and he just didn't like

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Speaker 10: how it was handled. There are some you know, suspect

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Speaker 10: things happening or the way that they are happening, and

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Speaker 10: so I was told he is he is not pleased

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Speaker 10: with what what trashpot?

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Speaker 1: Well, you're the one that kind of demanded a big

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Speaker 1: swing and we all knew when Dame arrived you'd be

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Speaker 1: a better offensive team from three and the worst defensive team.

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Speaker 1: So the Bucks are trying to appeal to you, but

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Speaker 1: I've said one their title was four years ago. This

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Speaker 1: to me is screaming movie ho us six first rounders, unprotected,

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Speaker 1: all star level ish player, rotational players, start over. You

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Speaker 1: got a title with Kareem, you got a title with Giannis.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of great franchises that never won

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, a Stanley Cup or a title. You

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Speaker 1: get one, don't. I mean Denver's got one with the

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Speaker 1: jokis the best player in the world. They they may

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Speaker 1: not get another. OKC got one like Toronto got one.

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Speaker 1: There's no guarantee. Milwaukee's not a big free agent market.

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Speaker 1: Players in a winner league are not dying to get

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Speaker 1: to the tundra. So it's like you got a title,

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Speaker 1: you got hardware, you got a banner, your second start over,

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Speaker 1: it's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this, j Mac. I

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Speaker 1: actually think Justin Fields for your New York Jets. If

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Speaker 1: you go look at his numbers last year in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: they were pretty encouraging. Now were their promises made to

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. I don't know, but Justin Fields was not.

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Speaker 1: I mean's foreign to if you extrapolate his numbers out,

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Speaker 1: they were pretty solid numbers. They're pretty solid, So he's

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Speaker 1: going to get a full run this year, and I

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Speaker 1: think he should. But if Michael Pennix can play for Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: I think he can. If cam Ward is as good

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Speaker 1: as we both think in Tennessee, and if Caleb and

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson works. So that's three more teams that have quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: We are reaching a little Next year is supposed to

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Speaker 1: be a good quarterback draft. So the Giants went and

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Speaker 1: got Jackson Dart. I'm not a buyer, but if he's

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Speaker 1: gonna work, Dave Boll certainly helps. We've only gotten now

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Speaker 1: Indie Saints. Cleveland Giants do not have their quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: the Giants may think I don't know what they think,

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Speaker 1: but they may think they do have it with Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 1: So the Giants you kind of wait and watch it develop.

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Speaker 1: But it does feel like we're reaching a saturation point.

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Speaker 1: If Pennix, cam Ward, and Caleb hit, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: being optimistic. I liked all three out of college. I

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Speaker 1: think they're all gonna. I think Ben Johnson's gonna ensure

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Speaker 1: Caleb works. I think the Callahan, Brian Callahan, and cam Ward,

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna work, and I always like Pennix,

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Speaker 1: but it's you know, you get to a point now.

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Speaker 1: The coaching is better than it's ever been. Offensive coaching

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Speaker 1: is much better than it's ever been. Quarterbacks are playing more,

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Speaker 1: taking more snaps by eighth ninth grade than they ever

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Speaker 1: have there. It always feels like every year there's seven

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Speaker 1: to eight teams that need a quarterback.

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Speaker 5: But what's happening, J.

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Speaker 1: Mack is because of the offensive coaching is so good

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Speaker 1: that guys like Gino, Donald and Baker and this never

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Speaker 1: used to be the case. They're now hitting on a

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Speaker 1: third or a fourth team and have I mean, like

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield now is absolutely a top fifteen quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Sam Donald, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know where he ranks, but in terms of talent arm talent,

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Speaker 1: he's a top fifteen arm talent and so and Gino

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Speaker 1: we can complain.

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Speaker 5: He just got a huge new deal.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of teams now in this league

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Speaker 1: that literally have really absolutely guaranteed don't know if they have,

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Speaker 1: they don't have the guy in the building.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, I think I could find five, right, all right,

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Speaker 3: all right, so let's start with the Cleveland Browns. They

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Speaker 3: absolutely have no idea and if Stefanski gets run, it's

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Speaker 3: going to be a new racing Indianapolis Colts. Remember we

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Speaker 3: saw Shane Steichen on that list. If he gets fired.

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Speaker 5: Question forget Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 3: This one's you know, New Orleans Saint Stage just drafted.

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Speaker 4: A guy they got nothing. I like Bryce Young as

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Speaker 4: a person.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think he good guy. I think he

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Speaker 1: can play. I don't have numbers in front of me,

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Speaker 1: but I thought last year. I thought last year watching him,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that he can start in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you have to go draft a quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the first round next year. I think Bryce. I

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Speaker 1: think Bryce Young can play. I don't think he's great,

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Speaker 1: but I do think he's a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He's got ye So so two more uh and this one.

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Speaker 3: You know, we'll see what happens in Arizona. I'm bullish

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Speaker 3: on them this year, but colin the Kyler Murray stuff

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Speaker 3: at some point like they're probably gonna run in and

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Speaker 3: if he doesn't get a lot of wins, and then.

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Speaker 4: It's like, what are we doing with Kyler Murray is

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Speaker 4: a franchise guy.

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Speaker 1: I would I would say this Indy Saints, Cleveland, No,

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Speaker 1: And in one year Pittsburgh Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I think Jets, come on, you really think Justin Fields

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Speaker 3: is gonna be awf him and get like a.

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Speaker 4: Three year deal.

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields checks a lot of boxes, big Mobile liked.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a good leader or not,

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Speaker 1: so I don't have an opinion, but he's a big kid,

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Speaker 1: got a whip, moves well. Everybody that plays with him

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Speaker 1: likes him. He's not disruptive, and he's gonna get this year.

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Speaker 1: My take on Justin Fields is he's one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: It just depends on if the staff likes him. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he jumps off. But Darnold Now, Baker Now

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Speaker 1: and Gino they got big deals like they're franchise quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to think they're.

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Speaker 1: Great, but they're they're so we just Pittsburgh's one of

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Speaker 1: the only teams with Indy, The Saints, Cleveland, Pittsburgh in

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Speaker 1: one year from now, they're absolutely going drafting a cord.

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Speaker 3: I think if the Giants fire Dable, they're drafting a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, Jackson Dart new guy's not gonna inherit him.

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Speaker 3: Let me just throw this other one out. I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's an issue. But if JJ McCarthy's wobbly and

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Speaker 3: all these report it's about, oh, we don't know, let's.

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Speaker 4: Go back get someone else.

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Speaker 3: Do the Vikings take a bite of a quarterback next

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Speaker 3: year in the draft somewhere.

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Speaker 1: It's a very good point. Remember they didn't give up

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Speaker 1: a haul for JJ McCarthy. I think they gave up

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Speaker 1: a fourth and a fifth. So they did not sell

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Speaker 1: the farm for JJ McCarthy. You remember there were all

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Speaker 1: these rumors teams were moving up. No, they were more

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Speaker 1: interested to we found out for the draft in Pennix.

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Speaker 1: So they didn't give away the farm. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: my staff looked it up, Bryce Young's last eight games

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Speaker 1: without a number one receiver twelve touchdowns and three picks. Okay,

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Speaker 1: not a very good offensive roster, did not have a

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Speaker 1: number one and they drafted Team Ac from Arizona. They

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Speaker 1: have a number one receiver. So so. And I also think,

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Speaker 1: like I was never a huge fan of brock Pretty

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Speaker 1: or Tua.

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Speaker 5: But the organizations like them. It doesn't matter what I think.

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Speaker 1: Tua is their franchise, Guy Brock is the Niners, doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what I think I just think we're getting to

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Speaker 1: a point in the NFL. There's three or four teams

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Speaker 1: that don't know and next year I think those are

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Speaker 1: all going to be solved, because it's right now you're

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Speaker 1: looking at four to five first round guys. The quality

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Speaker 1: of coaching, the quality of seven on seven camps, the

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Speaker 1: quality of quarterback coaching, like, uh, you know the people

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Speaker 1: that we bring on the show that do this for

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Speaker 1: a living.

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Speaker 3: So you mentioned Tua Colin as a franchise guy with McDaniel, Yes,

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Speaker 3: And we had an interesting conversation about McDaniel yesterday and

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Speaker 3: somebody texted me, why would we give Peyton Manning couldn't

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Speaker 3: win a playoff game in his first five appearances, and

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Speaker 3: yet here we are Mike McDaniel year three with Tua

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Speaker 3: in and out of the lineup, and we're ready to

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Speaker 3: say Mike McDaniel not a good coach. Like, is there

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Speaker 3: a different bit of a double standard for quarterbacks and coaches?

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Speaker 4: A little yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean you're paying Yeah, I mean I think

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Speaker 1: the Yeah, absolutely, there's a different standard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think you're all in on Tua. You've

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Speaker 1: paid for it. He's a star player. Owners look at

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Speaker 1: that differently than a coach that can't win a playoff game.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was the number one high school Peyton number

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Speaker 1: was the number one college player. Peyton Manning was a

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Speaker 1: number one pick nobody ever. And by the way, Archie

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Speaker 1: Manning was a on a bad team, but Archie Manning

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Speaker 1: was very talented. Peyton Manning was viewed as a quarterback prodigy.

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Speaker 1: He was very much in the John hill Way class.

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh, this is a superstar and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean Mike McDaniels, he was a He was an

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Speaker 1: assistant coach in a system in Kyle Shanahan where Kyle

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Speaker 1: called everything. Peyton Manning was a one of the best

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Speaker 1: high school quarterbacks ever, one of the highest prospects, a

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Speaker 1: number one pick, and very early in his career was

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Speaker 1: considered almost you know, a little bit of a teeth clincher,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, like cerebrally next level. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's no Peyton Manning was like Matt Stafford. When Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning wasn't winning in the postseason, it was like it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a Peyton Manning issue, it was what's surround him.

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Speaker 1: When Matt Stafford wasn't winning in Detroit, number one high schooler,

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Speaker 1: number one college, number one pick, one of the best

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Speaker 1: three arms in the league.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't Matt Stafford. It was the junk around him.

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Speaker 3: So can we say, hey, it's not Mike McDaniel's fault,

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Speaker 3: it's the junk around him.

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Speaker 4: The GM what the hell are you doing? Like, I

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Speaker 4: know that I'm.

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Speaker 3: Giving McDaniel way too much of a pass, but Colin

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Speaker 3: his history of play calling in Miami has been tremendous

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Speaker 3: and working with the TUA backup quarterbacks, all those personalities. Again,

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Speaker 3: I'm way more bullish on him. I don't know about TUA,

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Speaker 3: but I like McDaniel a lot with mine.

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Speaker 1: I don't dislike McDaniel, but I've seen this before, where

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Speaker 1: you know, Zach Taylor comes out of the Sean McVeigh tree,

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Speaker 1: and Sean McVay loves him, and he's obviously capable.

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Speaker 5: The Bengals got to a Super Bowl. But are we giving.

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor early in his career a benefit of a

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Speaker 1: doubt because of McVeigh. If Mike McDaniel have come from Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: but he comes from Shanahan, so he gets a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the glow of Shanahan and might take his

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Speaker 1: three years in. They've spent money, they've had stars. I

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Speaker 1: just don't there's nothing there. I think they finish third

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Speaker 1: or fourth in the division. It's yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a possibility.

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Speaker 4: I'd be a fall from grace.

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Speaker 5: All right, Urban Meyer love having him on. Is going

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Speaker 5: to join us. We're not that far out.

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Speaker 1: Man. Stuff is moving Tyler Adams midi for the United

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Speaker 1: States men's national team. They're in the Semis against Guatemala.

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Speaker 1: Here is we move two hours down, one to go

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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday show us flying Bibes, the Hurt