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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm gonna teach you about one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: guitar cordes, known as the James Bond chord, very famous

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Speaker 1: for being in most, if not all, of the Games

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Speaker 1: Bond films, and it usually happens after he says one

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Speaker 2: Infamous lines like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, mister Goldfinger, Yeah, come in, we've got space field wabber,

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Speaker 1: come on, sit down here.

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Speaker 2: Fucking joking dickhead, I'm not really a barber. I'm fucking

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Speaker 2: James Bond. Shot back and blow your fucking head off.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, swel and welcome to the Now Dunks podcast

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Speaker 3: on the Athletic Network. It's Thursday, February second, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Happy Groundhog Day to all the Phil's and the Willies out.

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Speaker 4: There of J. E.

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Speaker 3: Skeed's here in the Classic Factory and alongside me as

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Speaker 3: always as tas Melis.

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Speaker 5: Kids are still learning about that to this day, stills

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Speaker 5: kicking it next.

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Speaker 3: To Tassie as the beer Woman, touched a hot boy,

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Speaker 3: Trey Kirby, Hey oh, hey yoh, and last but not least,

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Speaker 3: making the magic happen over yonder. If he sees his shadow,

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Speaker 3: it means six more weeks of classics.

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Speaker 2: JD.

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Speaker 5: Hello, there is He.

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Speaker 6: Didn't see my shadows, so I guess indefinite classics.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, very nice.

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Speaker 3: Wow wow wow wow. Shout out to the stream team

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Speaker 3: Live show in Salt Lake City Friday, February seventeenth. That

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Speaker 3: But yeah, tickets in the link in the show notes,

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Speaker 3: All Star weekend, come hang with us at the Urban

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Speaker 3: Lounge on Friday night. Yep, getting hyped for that one.

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Speaker 3: On today's pod, we're gonna slap it up and run

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Speaker 3: through five teams who could put together some fairly enticing

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Speaker 3: trade packages for Raptors wing Ojiannaobi. That's coming up in

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Speaker 3: a little bit, and JD has an amazing tweet of

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Speaker 3: the night, so stick around for that as well. But

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Speaker 3: but but let's start with the games. We're gonna play

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Speaker 3: what you got, But I want to just start with

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Speaker 3: Damian Lillard going off as the Blazers beat the Grizzlies

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Speaker 3: one two, one twelve. Uh, just sort of money there,

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Speaker 3: hitting some clotch threes, great steal, late kick ahead to

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Speaker 3: U Banks for the huge jail entertaining game here with

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Speaker 3: the Blazers really needed this one. Grizzlies reeling a little bit.

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Speaker 3: What'd you think of a dame specially his performance.

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Speaker 5: team executing the other one not Drew U. Banks able

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Speaker 3: That was huge. Man, was the perfect Jordan dunk.

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Speaker 4: that was cool to see that. The name is Drew Eubanks.

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Speaker 5: was a big dunk, big win for the Blazers. As

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Speaker 5: you said, they hadn't won on the road since December seventeenth,

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Speaker 5: that's a long time. That's six weeks.

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Speaker 5: That's a lot for a game.

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Speaker 4: I'd say a lot of free throws for Dame Loward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's averaging basically thirty nine points per game and

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Speaker 4: And they're sending in there all the time. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: A lot of injuries, the entire NBA was injured last night.

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Speaker 4: They weren't believe nas Red went down. That was crazy.

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Speaker 5: Desmond Bane might have to fire. Twenty three is a game.

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Speaker 5: It's it is a lacking and that's why the Danny

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Speaker 5: Shall we see? Shall we see coaches? Like a live

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Speaker 4: the second most games this season with twenty or more

430
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Speaker 4: three pointers, behind only the Warriors. It's their ninth time

431
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Speaker 4: this season making twenty your more threes, but only the

432
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Speaker 4: third time since November. Celtics take a ton of threes.

433
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Speaker 4: They got up fifty four I think last night, and

434
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Speaker 4: they can get really, really hot. It's the second most

435
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Speaker 4: three pointers in a game this season by any team,

436
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Speaker 4: number one team. It was the Celtics. You guessed it

437
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 4: twenty seven against the Knicks earlier. So if you're a

438
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Speaker 4: team from New York, they are gonna hit you with

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Speaker 4: some three pointers. And when you make twenty six threes,

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Speaker 4: I have to imagine that teams are like ninety nine

441
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Speaker 4: percent winning percentage. There's gotta be one out there that like,

442
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Speaker 4: somebody hit twenty threes and the other team hit twenty

443
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 4: two and they took the loss there, But uh yeah,

444
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Speaker 4: I mean a forty nine point margin that's that's wild,

445
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 4: that's serious. That's a big time one. So give me

446
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Speaker 4: the Celtics.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, you had a great case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would go the Hawks just because the Celtics

449
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 5: were the best offense in the history of the NBA

450
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 5: for a while or whatever that's stat is. They obviously

451
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Speaker 5: dropped off since you know, they were hitting those threes,

452
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Speaker 5: as you said, the October and November, they have slowed down.

453
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Speaker 5: But they can hit a bunch of threes. They are

454
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Speaker 5: a great offense. You do see them blowout teams like

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Speaker 5: this the Atlanta Hawks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Tatum and Jellen Brown sorry, both hitting seven

457
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Speaker 3: threes and a lot of them early in this game.

458
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Speaker 3: They couldn't miss.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it was great to not have to tune into

460
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Speaker 5: that game. To be totally honest, it was a spanker. Well.

461
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Speaker 5: The other one the Hawks in their Flaming Reds, their

462
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Speaker 5: Calgary Flames Reds on the road. To have that forty

463
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Speaker 5: points second quarter was surprising to me. The fifteen ozer

464
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Speaker 5: run to start the second quarter, and yeah, absolutely ran out.

465
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Speaker 5: The ran the Suns out of the building, a team

466
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Speaker 5: that's pretty good defensively, so a little bit more surprising

467
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Speaker 5: there that the Hawks put it together that their bench

468
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 5: was kicking, but a guy like Jalen Johnson stroking a

469
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Speaker 5: three more surprising for him to be hitting threes than

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Speaker 5: the Celtics to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, both of those were over pretty early. Final one

472
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Speaker 3: here Jazz beat the Raptors. Walker Kessler the rook seventeen fourteen,

473
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Speaker 3: seven blocks. Meanwhile, we had the Rockets defeating the thunder

474
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Speaker 3: bit of a surprise victory. Tarry Eason, their rook twenty

475
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Speaker 3: and thirteen in nineteen minutes, filled up the box score.

476
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Speaker 3: He had some defensive stats as well. So I don't

477
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Speaker 3: usually do this in what you Got, but the better

478
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Speaker 3: rookie performance. Listen to these two names, Walker Kessler or

479
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Speaker 3: Tarry Eason. What you got?

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Speaker 5: A good one here? Sorry Easton. While back I said

481
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Speaker 5: he was a young Jonathan Isaac, Jonathan Isaac pre injury young,

482
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Speaker 5: A young young Jonathan Isaac. Is that a compliment? I

483
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 5: don't know. Jonathan Isaac was good before he got injured.

484
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Speaker 5: But he feels like a guy that could scrap and fight,

485
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Speaker 5: and he was doing that against an undersized Okac team. Okay,

486
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 5: see plays real small. All their Williams's, they're giddies that

487
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 5: they started, you know, six eight sixty nine, so he

488
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Speaker 5: got five rebounds, one possession, so the five of thirteen there,

489
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 5: he just kept tipping it to himself.

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Speaker 3: He had twelve offensive rebounds.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thirteen boards, twelve offensive that's amazing.

492
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Speaker 5: Actually, Yeah, so three steals, two blocks though in great

493
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Speaker 5: Yeah in nineteen minutes. I gotta go with him because

494
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Speaker 5: Walker he's been steady this season.

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Speaker 3: Oh and he was amazing in this Raptors game, Like

496
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Speaker 3: there were they were terrified of him, Like he had

497
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Speaker 3: seven blocks. He deterred, I want to say another ten

498
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: or like we was in the heads of the Raptors

499
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Speaker 3: players inside a little bit more. The Raptors lost a

500
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Speaker 3: game where they had like twenty five more shots than

501
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Speaker 3: the Jazz and still lose.

502
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Speaker 5: So he did it all in the first cord. He

503
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Speaker 5: had six blocks in.

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Speaker 3: He sets the tones. He set the tone. I mean

505
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Speaker 3: I might go Walker Kessel because I saw and heard

506
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Speaker 3: like multiple things about the Raptors could have had Walker

507
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 3: kel Yeah yeah, like ooh man, maybe could have drafted him.

508
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, both were great performances.

509
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Speaker 4: Where you going for the Rooks, I'd be twelve offense rebounds,

510
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 4: Like Tass said, he had a beef slider. If you're

511
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Speaker 4: getting a quarter of a beef on one possession, that's ridiculous.

512
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 4: But does that count as a revenge game for Walker Kessler?

513
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 4: He could have been a wrapped but it took like

514
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 4: several things would have had to have been different, right,

515
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 4: because it was the Rafts traded a first rounder for

516
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 4: Thadeus Young at the deadline, but then the Spurs used

517
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Speaker 4: the pick they traded to take Malachi Branham. But then

518
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 4: I guess, like Kessler when a couple of picks later,

519
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 4: it wasn't even the pick they had, But you know,

520
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 4: I guess theoretically he could have. I don't know sure

521
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 4: that's that's like a sideways revenge. I don't know exactly

522
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 4: what it is, but it comes down to seven blocks

523
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 4: or twelve offensive rebounds, both pretty weird to see on

524
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Speaker 4: a stat sheet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, the raption stink. So they have to shoot

526
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Speaker 5: in the lane a lot because they can't shoot. So

527
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 5: that's why Walker Kessler was just coming helping over. They

528
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Speaker 5: were the help variety too. It wasn't just like one

529
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Speaker 5: on one, It's just like coming over and helping. They're

530
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Speaker 5: ap stink, So I wasn't that surprise I guess is

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Raptors were on fire from three point distance last night,

533
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: ten to twenty three. That's lights out for them. But

534
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: the Jazz a lot Jazz took way more attempts forty

535
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Speaker 3: seven hit seventeen, and again it is weird to see

536
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: a game where the team had twenty seven more field

537
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Speaker 3: goal attempts. Raptors had one hundred and ten field goal

538
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Speaker 3: attempts and they lost because the Jazz, you know, shot

539
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 3: out a much better efficiency and put up one hundred

540
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Speaker 3: and thirty one on their head too. Let's not gloss

541
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Speaker 3: over that they were getting whatever they wanted. Raptors are

542
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: down bad right now, guys, and we're going to talk

543
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Speaker 3: about them and a bunch of Oganobe trades that I'm

544
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Speaker 3: gonna throw at you guys, and will debate which team

545
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Speaker 3: maybe has the best package, most enticing package that the

546
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Speaker 3: Raptors would consider. We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere

547
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Speaker 3: all right here in the Classic Factory. Hit the like button.

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Speaker 3: If you're joining us live on YouTube, make sure you subscribe.

549
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Speaker 3: The NBA trade deadline a week away, and as of

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Speaker 3: right now, it does feel like Ognnobi is one of

551
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: the biggest names on this trade block. It makes sense

552
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: because of his player role, his player type. It's pretty

553
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: coveted in this league, that sort of three and D guy,

554
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: elite defensively. That when you think about it, and I

555
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: heard Michael Grange say this on the Raptor Show, try

556
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: and think of a team where like, if you made

557
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: a move for Ognnoby, he wouldn't fit in your starting lineup.

558
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: It's really tough to go through like and find teams

559
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Speaker 3: where you're like, nah, he wouldn't be starting. There's usually

560
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: a slot for a guy like him. So this is

561
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: why he's probably coming up in numerous trade rumors along

562
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Speaker 3: with the Raptors falling.

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Speaker 5: Apart here plug and play.

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Speaker 3: That's right. In forty five games this season, just to

565
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Speaker 3: let you know about Og, he's averaging seventeen points per game,

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Speaker 3: five and a half rebounds, two assists, two point one steals,

567
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Speaker 3: just under a block per game, so he's he's at

568
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Speaker 3: or near the league leaders and steals in deflections and

569
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Speaker 3: loose balls recovered. That's his thing, that's his mo. He's

570
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Speaker 3: shooting right around forty six percent from the floor and

571
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: thirty seven percent from three. Those are both right in

572
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 3: line with his career averages, so nothing crazy. But what

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Speaker 3: makes them really enticing is his salary. His contract. He

574
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 3: has two years thirty six million dollars remaining, plus a

575
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: player option in twenty four to twenty five for nineteen

576
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 3: point ninety three million, so just under twenty which makes

577
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: them like a lot easier than your superstar level players

578
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 3: to put in trades because it's just a more movable contract.

579
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Speaker 3: But for the Raptors to give them up, by all accounts,

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00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: they're going to want some young rotation players and maybe

581
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: a lot of draft picks. Remember in December, our guy,

582
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Speaker 3: professor Zach Lowe, he said the price for og could

583
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: be on par is what the Cavs gave up for

584
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell, and we laughed at that, what as too much?

585
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: But NBA insider Mark Stein he did add it would

586
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: take lots to pry oj Anobi away from the Raptors.

587
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: Could be some posturing here from the Raps. Maybe they

588
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 3: don't even move them, for crying out loud, but we

589
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: have an idea of what they want. They obviously want

590
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: young players. They probably want probably minimum two picks first

591
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 3: round picks, you know, be it sort of twenty three

592
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Speaker 3: first round picks or future first round picks, or maybe

593
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: even three. Anyway, I've got five teams, boys, five teams

594
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: that should take a long hard look at trying to

595
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 3: acquire ogn Anobi over the next week. Here a lot

596
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: of these trades. The inspiration they come from Sporting News,

597
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 3: from the Athletics, their Creed who does a great job

598
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: covering the Raptors, and from our guy sports Nets Blake Murphy,

599
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: who told me he has a big og Anaobi trade

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Speaker 3: piece coming out soon.

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Speaker 5: He's got a big spreak Internet. He broke down every team,

602
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 5: every pick, they have, their salary. Get into its true

603
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 5: sick o shit right there.

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Speaker 3: For Blake Murphy, it's great, It's great. Okay, So I

605
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: thought again, five teams. I have a usually like two

606
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Speaker 3: to four trade versions for a potential move to get

607
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: for each team, So.

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Speaker 5: I better have a spreadsheet for that.

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Speaker 3: Dude, I did some work on this, all right, So,

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Speaker 3: and shout out to our guy Jerome helping with the graphics. Here,

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Speaker 3: let's start with the Knicks. We'll start in the Eastern Conference.

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00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: We'll move to the West, but we'll start with the Knicks.

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Speaker 3: They're rumored to be interested. I mean, he sure feels

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Speaker 3: like a Tips type of player. I'll tell you that

615
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: obviously with the defense he gives you. So two hypothetical

616
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Speaker 3: Knicks Raptors trades. First one, obviously the Knicks get og,

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Speaker 3: the Raptors would receive it's not pretty Derek Rose Cam Reddish.

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Speaker 3: And then three first round picks. Now they have like

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Speaker 3: their own pick in twenty three they got the Mavericks,

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Speaker 3: so it could be the better one of those future

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Speaker 3: first round picks. This is pick heavy. This is not

622
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Speaker 3: great players coming back unless you really believe in cam Reddish,

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Speaker 3: like our buddy Grish. But the second version of this

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Speaker 3: would be the Knicks getting og and let's say kem

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00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: Birch to make the money work. Four maybe enticing younger

626
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Speaker 3: player and Obi toppin Evan fourniad because of the contract,

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Speaker 3: and let's bump it down a first round pick. We'll

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Speaker 3: go with two thoughts on the Knicks. I mean, you like,

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Speaker 3: you can like rip apart my hypothetical trades. You can

630
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Speaker 3: just talk about the team in theory trying to acquire og.

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Speaker 3: If you like the fit, hate the fit, what do

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Speaker 3: you think Knicks raps something along these lines. TK Getta started.

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Speaker 4: He's from the six, give me the picks from the Knicks.

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Speaker 3: Well done.

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00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 4: So honestly, if you're getting three first round picks, even

636
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Speaker 4: depending on what the protections are, you could probably draft

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Speaker 4: yourself an Obi top and like player because that's the

638
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Speaker 4: best guy coming back. I don't think the Raptors are

639
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Speaker 4: going to want to take on the additional salary that

640
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: fourtyer brings along with him. Rose and Reddish are non entities.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's a that's a money matching kind of move.

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Speaker 4: But I think I would prefer getting the picks because Toppin,

643
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: while a good player who would probably be okay on

644
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: the Raptors as a big guy, I don't think he's

645
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: such a good prospect that you would choose him over

646
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: the potential of any of the other prospects out there.

647
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're talking about three picks for og Annobi. I mean,

648
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: it feels like we're a little high right now. It

649
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 5: feels like we're a little drugged up. But I will

650
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 5: say he is obviously every GM's wet tree. When you're

651
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 5: looking at the players that they talk about every single

652
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: draft season, it's this, It's long. An incredible defender can

653
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: fit with every sort of team, So in a seller's market.

654
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: This is definitely ripe for Massiu Jiri to get something big.

655
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 5: That's totally true because there's so many teams in the

656
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 5: play in tournament picture and the playoff picture. They're going

657
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 5: for it. So if you have one of these guys,

658
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 5: it makes sense for Massia. I will say three picks amazing,

659
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 5: this is that's the better package from the Knicks, for sure.

660
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 5: But I'm unlikely to deal with the Knicks because I

661
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 5: don't think those picks are what you're looking for if

662
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 5: you're in the six. I think there are better picks

663
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 5: out there. Because this is the New York Knicks we're

664
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 5: talking about. Doesn't matter. There's a lot of their py're.

665
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: Having a good year this year, but at two decades

666
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: are usually gurbage.

667
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, but a lot of their picks are from other teams,

668
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 5: so we don't know what we're talking about specifically.

669
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't want to get bogged down with these boards, like, Okay,

670
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: it's the Mavericks pick, but then it's a twenty five,

671
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: and then it's twenty seven, and then you know, I

672
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: because like I think you can get a little lost

673
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: in the weed with that stuff.

674
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 5: But you gotta be picky here. If you're a Missilea's year,

675
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 5: you gotta be picky with the picks, and I think

676
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 5: you can be. I think when we look at other teams,

677
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 5: even though historically they are the Knicks, they got a

678
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 5: rock in Jalen Brunson, they're not gonna be bad right now. No,

679
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 5: they're not gonna be bad. There are other teams which

680
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 5: potentially I think could be worse, that are at the

681
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 5: sort of the end of their windows. So I love

682
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 5: the three picks. I think that's what you're looking for.

683
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 5: But I think you can get a little bit better

684
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 5: here in the seller's market.

685
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with the Knicks, Raptors and a potential

686
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: og the ones I just gave you there, I actually

687
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: don't like it from either side all that much. I

688
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: think the Raptors are gonna hope to get a better

689
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: player in addition to picks that they could use in

690
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: the rotation in any of these deals. So there's that.

691
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: And also I am wary of the Knicks, like having

692
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: all these picks doing a good job of, you know,

693
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: keeping their their cupboards full. Are they really gonna trade

694
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: three of them for Ogi? Like he's a good player,

695
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: But like the Knicks. The whole time, we're always like, oh,

696
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: they're holding on to this. They're gonna go for the superstar,

697
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: and you're gonna need a lot of picks to get that,

698
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: as we've seen with Rudy's and Donovan and stuff like that.

699
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 5: But they have a lot of them. If if it

700
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 5: ends up being two first round picks this season, even

701
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: they still have so many more just from this season,

702
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 5: because they've got the Hornets, they've got the MAVs, they've

703
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 5: got the Nuggets, they've got the Pistons in a scenario,

704
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 5: they've got a lot of picks.

705
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: But I think Messi and Bobby and the Raptors like

706
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: when we do these picks, like you're going to want

707
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 3: them over years, because like even the Knixt pick, it's

708
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: not gonna be like good this year, you know, but

709
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: the Knicks three years from now, after James Dolan's like

710
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: suddenly decides, well, I want to start calling the shots

711
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: again and doing everything like they could be bad. And

712
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: then it's like, oh my god.

713
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 5: Here's right. I know, it does feel like we're high

714
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 5: here with three picks coming for og Annobe, but yeah,

715
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 5: you're looking for a Paul Pierce type of swindle here,

716
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 5: like Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett swindling the Nets Celtics. So yeah,

717
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 5: you're looking long term, but I think maybe I'm just

718
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 5: you know, I'm a little too high on the Knicks.

719
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 5: But other teams I think will give you them.

720
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: Okay, another Eastern Conference team. Then let's get Og home

721
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: to Indiana. All right, how about the Pacers. Okay, so

722
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: the Pacers receive Ognaoby, I got two trades for you here.

723
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: The first one, Raps get TJ. McConnell, Daniel Tice, and

724
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: then three first round picks. Okay, so we'll stick with

725
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: the three. In the second version of this Pacers Raptors trade,

726
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: we get rid of a lot of picks and we

727
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: actually just get more maybe help for the Raps in

728
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: terms of shooting. Og and Thadius Young going to the

729
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: Pacers in exchange for Buddy Heeled, TJ. McConnell and a

730
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: twenty three first round pick. So just one pick.

731
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: So when you're when you were talking about you wanted

732
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 5: better players and picks, was this what you were talking about.

733
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're gonna get to some other ones too,

734
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: but yeah, like you're not going to get it all right,

735
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: you're not getting three first round picks, and then maybe

736
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: guys that are you're actually playing, and the Raptors have

737
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: no bench so they need players. There's gonna be a balance.

738
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: I also don't think o g if he's traded in

739
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: the next week, I don't think he's going to get

740
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: three first round picks. I think it'll be settled on

741
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: two and then there will be a second round pick.

742
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 3: It could be like an early second I think that's

743
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: where it will go. It happens.

744
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 5: But for the sake of argument, yeah, it's fun here

745
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 5: seven days out dream big ye, sure, yeah, it'll be different.

746
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: What do you think of the pacers? Though? It's better

747
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: a move.

748
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 5: You get a point guard and a center. The Raptors

749
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: need both plus three round three first round Yeah, yes, yeah,

750
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 5: I know it's Daniel Tys, but it fills holes. They

751
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 5: don't want to tank. The Raps don't want to tank.

752
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 5: There's no doubt.

753
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 3: They're doing a pretty good job of tanking though.

754
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, right now, yeah, I think, yeah, this

755
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 5: could be just a perfect scenario here where they are

756
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 5: getting bad here on this West coast trip. They keep losing.

757
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 5: It's a good time to lose. It's a seller's market.

758
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 5: You want to be one of those teams selling both

759
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: of these. I think I think they're a little bit

760
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 5: they're better than the Knicks packages.

761
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: From the Raptors side of things, Yeah, okay.

762
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't care about any other team. I care

763
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 5: about the What.

764
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: About what about Indiana's like side of this? Like, you know,

765
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: they're not a free agent hotbed, right, you know, I

766
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: don't think a lot of people are going to sign

767
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: in Indiana, So getting a player of Og under contract

768
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: for a couple of years to fit with their younger

769
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: players in Halliburton and Mathrin even, Like, does this make

770
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: sense to you a little bit?

771
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 5: Here?

772
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 4: I can see Og on the Pacers certainly, because you

773
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 4: know they've got in Halliburton and Mathurin, they've got a

774
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: good offensive back court. They need somebody who's gonna be

775
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 4: able to stick perimeter guys defensively, so Og definitely helps there.

776
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: I also like the idea of Fatteus Young going back

777
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: to Indianapolis as well. That'd be exciting. I assume he

778
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: was there actually longer than Og was. I know Og

779
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 4: only played one season of high school or college basketball

780
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 4: for the Hoosiers there, So yeah, I mean, they would

781
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 4: much rather give up one first round pick, I think,

782
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: than three first round picks. But the thing with the

783
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 4: Pacers is you talk about a team that never wants

784
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: to tank, that's them. They've had like one season in

785
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 4: the lottery recently. The pick right now would be number eight,

786
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 4: but maybe that goes back up, or maybe that climbs

787
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: back to be a higher pick. If og joins the

788
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: team and Halliburton comes back, they'd be looking a lot

789
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: better and maybe still stay competitive in the Eastern Conference.

790
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 4: I could definitely see them doing it, though. TJ. McConnell

791
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: kind of feels like a main stay there right now.

792
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a little bit.

793
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: He's a culture guy for sure.

794
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 5: Yep.

795
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: And then there's the whole Buddy Heeld situation and what

796
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: they would get back. All right, we'll keep it moving here,

797
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: keep some pace. Let's go to the West. I pissed

798
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: people off a couple of weeks ago when I was

799
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: trying to get Desmond Bane from the Grizzlies. Just chucked

800
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 3: it out there. See what happened, Memphis Grizzly fans, I

801
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: got very upset with me. That's fine, But I got

802
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: some other Grizzlies trades. I don't really really love them,

803
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 3: and I don't think they're all that realistic, but I

804
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: like the idea of Og on the Grizzlies. Again, he

805
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 3: fits there, So the Grizzlies get Og first one here,

806
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: Danny Green in that contract Tias Jones because the Raptors

807
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: desperately needs a point guard play though as Blake Burpy

808
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: DMed me too small for Nick Nurse. Nick Nurse does

809
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: not like his tiny guys. And Zion Williams there sort

810
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: of as a flyer, and then two first round picks.

811
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: The second Grizzly Raptors trade would be Og and Thaddius

812
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: Young going to the Grizzlies for Danny Green, Dylan Brooks,

813
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 3: good old Canadian boy, Zion Williams, and then two first

814
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: round picks. So pretty similar deals here, Dylan Brooks or

815
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: Tias Jones sort of being swapped in there Thattius to

816
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: make the one deal work money wise. Well what do

817
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: you think? You're shaking your head? You don't know.

818
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 5: I'm excited. I'm excited getting into these teams that have

819
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 5: some interesting picks. The Grizzlies have the Warriors pick. Couple

820
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 5: of years from now, it'll probably be post Draymond Green,

821
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 5: it's got light protections, turns into an unprotected pick. Eventually,

822
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 5: you've got a couple guys the Zaire Williams Tias Jones package.

823
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: I'm fine with Tyas Jones small. Sure they've got Fred

824
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 5: van Vliet like Murphy, he's small, he can he can

825
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 5: take Tias Jones.

826
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 4: Tyo, what's wrong with that?

827
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: And shout out to her man Jerome for spelling Zaire. Right,

828
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 5: that's a tough tough one to spell. You got a

829
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 5: Z I A I R E.

830
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'd like to take some credit for that too.

831
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 5: But okay, sure, congratulations from spelling.

832
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 3: And I was like, hold on, I think there's another

833
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 3: eye in there somewhere.

834
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 5: I ridiculed Jerome yesterday, so I got give him some

835
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 5: more today. But that's an interesting one. That's an interesting one.

836
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 5: I like. I like MESSI gambling on the quality of

837
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 5: the pick. Because if you've got all these teams actually

838
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 5: at your door, actually giving you a call, you've gotta

839
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 5: make a If you're fun like it's supposed to be

840
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 5: fun for us, it's fun here sitting back. Yeah, we

841
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 5: can make these trades. I think you want to you

842
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 5: want to take a wager on a team that's gonna

843
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 5: be bad a few years from now, and I think

844
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 5: I'd rather pick getting the Warriors, you know, getting the

845
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 5: Warriors past their window, than you know, one of these

846
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 5: these Pacers picks. I'm a little bit worrisome that they're

847
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 5: going to be bad. Ever, so I think it's I'm

848
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 5: I'm gearing out for these teams that we're getting into.

849
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 5: I like this one. If it's the Warriors pick involved

850
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 5: with Tyas Jones, and I do like Zire Willims, who

851
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 5: would fit in with the Reps.

852
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 3: And do you think the Grizzlies would you know, consider

853
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 3: either of these trades.

854
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 5: I think so.

855
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: Maybe even Dylan Brooks, he is sort of like their

856
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: culture dude.

857
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 4: Definitely true o G though definitely an upgrade over Dylan Brooks.

858
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 4: He does like basically the exact same stuff, but doesn't

859
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 4: take all kinds of crazy shots, has a little bit

860
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 4: more size, and he's got a slightly longer contract, which

861
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: I think could be a factor for the Grizzlies. They

862
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: tend to ship guys out when they're getting ready to

863
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: get paid. It happened with Melton, happened with Kyle Anderson?

864
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: Could it happen with Ellen Brooks. He seems more locked

865
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: in there to me. But they signed Tias Jones to

866
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: a deal last year, so he's on the books for

867
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: next season already. If they do this trade, they got

868
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 4: Og for next season, right, and then I guess he's

869
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: got a player option after that, so they would have

870
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: to make a decision.

871
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 5: But I don't know.

872
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 4: I would do it if I'm the Grizzlies, But I

873
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: don't know if the Grizzlies would do it.

874
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: Ku.

875
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: They do love their first round picks too.

876
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: They like pick. That's why I don't think they'll trade

877
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: that Warrior's pick, because that does have a shot at

878
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: being a really good one.

879
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 5: When is that twenty four?

880
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's when it's top.

881
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 5: Four protected and then top one protected and then unprotected

882
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 5: the following year. Could be juicy. You're right, it's it

883
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 5: sound like they made a great deal to get that thing.

884
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: All right, Let's go to the Pelicans. They've been rumored

885
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: in Og on Noobi trades. I mean, they're on a

886
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 3: hell of a slide right now, so maybe that changes things.

887
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: But let's get Og to the Pels in exchange four

888
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 3: Herb Jones, Jackson Hayes, Devonte Graham and two first round picks.

889
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: They got a lot of picks, two those pellies. That's

890
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: version one, Version two. OG to the Pelicans, of course,

891
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 3: in exchange for Dyson Daniels, DeVante Graham and two first

892
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: round picks. What do you think, Trey?

893
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: Honestly, the Pelican slide makes me hesitant to make an

894
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 4: all in move right now. We've talked about him as

895
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 4: one of the deepest teams in the league. They're certainly

896
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: fun to watch their bench units when they're cooking. Usually

897
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 4: when they're playing at Smoothie King, the crowd is lit,

898
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 4: it's exciting times, but they're really struggling without their two

899
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 4: best guys. And yeah, I mean, if Zion's healthy, if

900
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: Brandon Ingram is healthy, it'd be nice to have OG

901
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: alongside them. But I'm I just don't think that this

902
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 4: is the team right now that needs to make a

903
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 4: move for OG, despite the fact that he would look great.

904
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: I find the Raptors that's a tough call here. I

905
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 4: think I would rather have Dyson Daniels and the picks

906
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 4: over Herb Jones and Jackson Hayes. Then the picks Herb

907
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: seems like too much of a Raptor like not a

908
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 4: great shooter from three, great defender, the perfect size, but

909
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: they're trading that guy away.

910
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're trying to get like a worse OG back.

911
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: I know Pelicans fans would rather keep Dyson Daniels over

912
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: Herb Jones. I remember that was going around on Twitter

913
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: there when I was throwing out hypotheticals along these lines

914
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: like you know, who would you want more? I'm a

915
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: Herb Jones fan. So if you're moving OG and you're

916
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: getting picks for it, and he's like a sort of

917
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: a poor man's OG right now, being younger, like a

918
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: little early in his career than I'm not angry with it.

919
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 3: I think there's something here.

920
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 5: Things change fast with the fan bases of teams because

921
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 5: Herb Jones was untouchable once upon a time and then

922
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: he's tradable. And I still think there's a big faction

923
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 5: that wouldn't trade him here. But I totally agree he

924
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 5: is an OG light. It doesn't make a ton of sense,

925
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 5: I think for the Raps, if you're focusing on that,

926
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 5: I think you want something different than what you got.

927
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 5: Why are you loading up on a Scottie Pascal out

928
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 5: and Herb's good?

929
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: I mean, we are including in that hypothetical Herb Jones,

930
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: So that's your OG replacement Jackson Hayes. They need a center.

931
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think he's amazing, but obviously an

932
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: athletic big DeVante Graham okay as a shooter, but you know,

933
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: a high volume shooter that's more for the money. And

934
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: then the picks, I mean they do have a Lakers

935
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: pick too, is the other thing.

936
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the weird thing they've got. They've got the

937
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 5: right to swap with the Lakers this year and next year,

938
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 5: I do believe. And so how does that work. Can

939
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 5: you swap a pick swap? I guess you can in

940
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 5: that you know, you trading. They have the Lakers pick

941
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 5: and the right to swap. I guess those are two

942
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 5: different things that maybe they have the right to swap

943
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 5: next year well having the Lakers pick. Yeah, they have

944
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 5: a bulb.

945
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 3: And these could be in the future too. We could

946
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 3: be getting into twenty fives and twenty sevens and stuff

947
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: like that.

948
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 5: And they've got a trader in David Griffin sitting back there.

949
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 5: I agree, though it's difficult to go all in.

950
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: So you think because of the timing of this nine

951
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: game lo using streak and the injuries of Zion and

952
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 3: branding Are and all that, like it actually makes them

953
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: less likely to be making maybe you could argue a

954
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: semi aggressive move at the deadline. Then if they hadn't

955
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: had that and they were near the top of the

956
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: West and they're going like, holy crap, we got a

957
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: path here. You're nodding, you think that's probably true.

958
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the Pelicans still don't really know what the

959
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: best version of their team looks like. They even when

960
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: they were in the first that in the Western Conference,

961
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 4: it was like you had a chunk where Brandon Ingram

962
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 4: was healthy, at a chunk where Zion was healthy. We

963
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: haven't been able to see these two guys together and

964
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 4: what they can actually do at the peak of their

965
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: powers to know the proper player to put alongside. And

966
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: maybe they want to use this pick to get more

967
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: of a stretch big to replace Valancenis, which I think

968
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 4: is going to be a smart move down the line

969
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 4: at some point. But it's easier to talk yourself into

970
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: giving up a little bit of your future when it

971
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: feels like, yeah, we're right there, we're a third place

972
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: right now, we're one of the best teams in the league.

973
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 4: We had a ton of young talent. It feels different

974
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: than when you're losing nine of twelve or whatever it

975
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: has been.

976
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: All right, final team, the Phoenix Suns. I have four

977
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: variations of Sons Raptors trades for Og. All right, buckle up,

978
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 3: Sons get OG in the first one here for Jay Crowder,

979
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 3: Cameron Johnson, two first round picks. Second version is more picks,

980
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: Cam Johnson off the table, So it's OG to the

981
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: Sons for Jay Crowder, Darius Sarich and three first round picks.

982
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: And again I'm saying three first round picks. Probably it's

983
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: probably like a twenty three, twenty five, twenty seven type

984
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: of thing.

985
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, with them, it's it's definitely that.

986
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. Another version is take out Jay Crowder and go

987
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: Landry Shammitt. You know, Raptors may be more interested in

988
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: a Shamit type of player as a shooter, So Shammitt

989
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: Sorich and three first round picks for OG. And then

990
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 3: the final one is completely different. I'm fascinated to hear

991
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this. It is getting DeAndre Ayton for

992
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: OG and Thadeus Young and then maybe just one first

993
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: round pick. Thoughts on any of these with the Sons

994
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: either moving sort of jay crowder like the way I

995
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 3: look Cam Johnson is a really good player. There's your

996
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: young promising player. Feels like a Raptor player too that

997
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: you would remove one of the first round picks. If

998
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: he stays with the Sun because they love him, then

999
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: it's three first round picks, and then the whole other

1000
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: sort of wild card is like why not eating They

1001
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: don't seem to love him all that much. You know

1002
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: he has his limitations, but he is a decent center.

1003
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: He's obviously still young under a contract all that. What

1004
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: do you think of a bunch of Suns trades? I

1005
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: just chucked at you for ogi.

1006
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: I wouldn't do the DeAndre Ayton one. I would be

1007
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 5: worrysome that we I'll go we that the Raptors would

1008
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 5: get enough out of him. They don't really have a

1009
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 5: great pick and roll partner for him. I don't think

1010
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 5: he would be amazing. I'd rather have the picks. I

1011
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: think the three first round picks plus Shammant, who's definitely

1012
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 5: a player that you can use forever and Sarch would

1013
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 5: make a little bit more sense. I would call me

1014
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 5: crazy rather bet on the Suns being bad in the

1015
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 5: long term than the Knicks just because of a potential implosion,

1016
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: because Chris Paul is going to retire one day, because

1017
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 5: the way they've looked this season, because the Deandreton scenario.

1018
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 5: I'd rather bet on that than betting on the Knicks

1019
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 5: being bad and combined with their picks. So this is

1020
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 5: all Suns picks. I'm a little bit more excited than

1021
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 5: the next situation. I like it compared to the Grizzly situation.

1022
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 5: I think I think that would be my number one

1023
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 5: pack at Shamit sarch and three first round picks TK.

1024
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a tough call here, but it feels like

1025
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 4: this is good deals Like it feels like a deal

1026
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 4: could be made here because there was people reporting that

1027
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: the Raptors, like entire brain trust was out in Phoenix

1028
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 4: this week basically scouting and chatting seeing who it could

1029
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 4: be a man. I kind of think that Cam Johnson

1030
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 4: in two first round picks is the way to go

1031
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: because it splits the difference between a sham At lead package,

1032
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 4: which I mean, sham It's fine, He's just a fine guy.

1033
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 4: Cam Johnson, though, is a real player. I do think

1034
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: maybe he would have trouble finding a spot with the Raptors,

1035
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 4: since as much as he's touted as a little bit

1036
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: of a stretch five, he's a four. He's definitely a four,

1037
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: and the Raptors, as we're seeing, they got a ton

1038
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 4: of it here. I have hope for Aton away from Phoenix.

1039
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 4: I think I think he'll be a pretty solid player

1040
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 4: when he's, you know, at the worst, the number two option,

1041
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 4: and he's much more involved as we've seen. He's got

1042
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: some big games for sure, but kind of with task

1043
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 4: that I'd rather have more picks than Ayton because I

1044
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 4: don't know. You can find centers these days, you know,

1045
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 4: and I mean the Raptors haven't, but I can find centers.

1046
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: So it makes you think, at least we'll try something

1047
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 4: a little bit cheaper for our center position. So I

1048
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 4: guess I'm going cam in a couple of first rounders

1049
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 4: in this.

1050
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 5: One, all right. And Ayden is playing fine, puts up numbers,

1051
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 5: but you can find a little cheaper, You can find

1052
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 5: a lot cheaper. He's a Max guy. Yeah, and so

1053
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 5: you got Max Siakam beside him. Well we were what

1054
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 5: are we running here? Doesn't feel like a recipe for

1055
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 5: an incredible team. I'm it doesn't and he also doesn't

1056
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 5: seem really like a MASSI player. But draft picks, dude.

1057
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: I liked some of these from the sun side of

1058
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: things though. I mean, you imagine mckail, bridges and Og

1059
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: out there, like locking up your perimeter players. That would

1060
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: be a lot of fun. And they're obviously a team

1061
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: that they're sort of like they racked it, you know,

1062
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: they put together some wins there. They obviously got hammered

1063
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 3: last night. Bookers should be back soon. We've seen them

1064
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: win sixty plus games, We've seen them go to the finals,

1065
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: so they know. They're like they've flirted with being an

1066
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: elite team in this league for a couple of seasons.

1067
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: Like adding Og again under contract, I think it makes

1068
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: some sense, especially some of those deals. It's really like, yeah,

1069
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 3: they're just like, yeah, we're okay, we're fine, We're giving

1070
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: up a bunch of picks, be it two or three,

1071
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: and then players like Crowder doesn't play for us, and

1072
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: then whoever, if it's Shamanton Sarich, they would do that

1073
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: in a heartbeat. I would think, Yeah.

1074
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 4: I think Ayton is the one that gives you any

1075
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 4: sort of pause here, because basically it's like Cam Johnson

1076
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 4: is the only other guy who's a real rotation member.

1077
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: I mean, Sorry has been fine playing off the bench.

1078
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 4: For sure, He's had some big games as well, But

1079
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: I mean Cam is the guy who's kind of locked

1080
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 4: in there as a little bit of a core member.

1081
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 4: But it would be an upgrade to get Ojannaoby.

1082
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: All right, that's a lot of trades. I just chucked

1083
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: at you, guys, which team do you think makes the

1084
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 3: most sense? From the Knicks, the Pacers, the Grizzlies, the Pelicans,

1085
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 3: the Sons, there are other teams. I'm sure you could

1086
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: get frisky with. Let us know in the comments right

1087
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: now here in the stream. Team tweeted us at no

1088
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: dunk sink and thanks again to uh to Blake, to Eric,

1089
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 3: to Sporting News, Michael, to Michael.

1090
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 5: Gay as they say in Canada, to William lou.

1091
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 4: Blake Murph, I said, yeah, Murph dog sure and Matt Doudlin,

1092
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: why not?

1093
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 5: Sure? Jack? Jack, congrats, Jacky, Savannah, Akil, Randy, Randy, all right,

1094
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 5: Jerry who Jared y?

1095
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what we do, family view, just a fan

1096
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: pick of results last night. Man Trey Kirby is on fire.

1097
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 3: You could be rich right now. Back in this guy's picks,

1098
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 3: you had the Wolves who had some points to play

1099
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: with at home plus two and a half, they were

1100
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: the dogs. They obviously win in overtime. Another l for

1101
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: me in another overtime loss. I mean, this sucks, this

1102
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: shouldn't be. It's brutal. But yeah, we have the Warriors,

1103
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: so we're all in one here in February. Tray one

1104
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: to know what's Tonight's game?

1105
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 5: Heavy? Thursday night's sked unusual in the National Basketball Association.

1106
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 5: I think there's seven on tonight and I saw a

1107
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 5: nice one the Pelicans at the MAVs, who are favored

1108
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 5: by four and a half at home against these struggling Pelicans.

1109
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 5: Pelicans have lost nine in a row, but I think

1110
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 5: they can cover that four points the way they looked

1111
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 5: in their last game. While you guys think that the

1112
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 5: MAVs will win by five or more.

1113
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: Well, Trey thinks that, and I have just decided whenever

1114
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: I can, I'm just gonna back Tray right now, gotcha,

1115
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 3: because he's at So what's your reason?

1116
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 4: The Pelicans are just bad?

1117
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 5: Good reason?

1118
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: Now?

1119
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: They're they're struggling. They lost their last game by nine

1120
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 4: previously twenty five, previously ten, previously nine. They haven't played

1121
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 4: a close game in a while, so maybe you should

1122
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 4: actually switch to the Pelicans.

1123
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 5: Hope me.

1124
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I'm going with you.

1125
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, smart movie.

1126
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 3: You don't want me though, you don't want me back

1127
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 3: to you is the problem?

1128
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 4: All right?

1129
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 3: Four and a half. We got the mass task has

1130
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: the pels and some points to play with. Let's get

1131
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: to tweeted the.

1132
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 5: Night, tweet out the night, Wow j D with tweet

1133
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 5: of the night.

1134
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, more like tweet of five minutes before the show.

1135
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 3: Tweet in the morning, Yeah, the morning to you.

1136
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 6: Yesterday we were talking about Dennie Avida.

1137
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 5: What's going on here?

1138
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 6: It's still good this music though.

1139
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 5: We're always talking about Deny.

1140
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 6: Every single day. But yesterday we talked about how he

1141
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 6: has a new nickname, Turbo. Yeah, very American Gladiators. Still

1142
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 6: not on the basket reference website.

1143
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: No, No, let's get that up there. Let's do that

1144
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 3: b ref Come on.

1145
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 6: But our man sixty five percent font asked mid journey AI,

1146
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 6: which I assume is a it's an AI art generator,

1147
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 6: right to visualize what Danny Adio would look like as

1148
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 6: a nineteen nineties American glass. Okay, so apologies to the audio.

1149
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 6: Listeners are just gonna have to come on over to

1150
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 6: YouTube to check these out because they are incredible. There's

1151
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 6: four of them. Here's the first one.

1152
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: Whoa damn what what team is he playing?

1153
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: Now?

1154
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 3: Wow?

1155
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 6: And here's what this one looks very I don't know, it's.

1156
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: Honestly, it looks like Art Rivals.

1157
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 4: It looks like the Nintendo video.

1158
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely, yeah, and like Drogo or you know, yeah

1159
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 6: from Rocky.

1160
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, more from street Fighter. Yeah, very tall. That's a masterpoof.

1161
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 5: Zeus is playing on the far left there and no

1162
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 5: holds barred right left No, oh yeah, yeah, I thought

1163
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 5: his counterpart on the left side there kind of looks

1164
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 5: like Zeus. He also has the eye thing going on.

1165
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 3: I think AI hasn't figured out human eyes eyes.

1166
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 5: Here's a this is w w E to me, Shamrock.

1167
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 3: I wish it looked a little bit more like off

1168
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 3: you like.

1169
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 4: But got a little Adam Levine to it.

1170
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 5: That's true.

1171
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: That's for Kyle hat So boom.

1172
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 5: And finally, oh man, what a jaw line?

1173
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a brawl line. That's my favorite one though, again, like,

1174
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: come on, a I put a little go tea on there.

1175
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: Put a little mustache for I feel like he has one,

1176
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: or did at least all stubble. The haircuts good, yeah,

1177
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: haircuts good, really good, strong job.

1178
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 4: That looks like an American gladiator.

1179
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: Doesn't that look like what Turbo looked like?

1180
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:20,959
Speaker 5: That's what the Star Trek logos in there. Wow?

1181
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: Those are those are great?

1182
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 4: A lot like the real Turbo.

1183
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 3: That's what they pulled from.

1184
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yeah, I mean, just go back and just

1185
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 6: add to mid Journey. Just add with a goate.

1186
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 5: That's it.

1187
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got to make it.

1188
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 6: Learn You gotta tell it what you want. I mean,

1189
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 6: you can't, you know, put in just random stuff.

1190
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 5: And it's pretty cool. It's you guys play with chat

1191
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 5: gp I of.

1192
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: Course, what if you do?

1193
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 4: Just tell like write me a tweet about the bulls

1194
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 4: being back. It's like, seriously, the things I put into it,

1195
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 4: putting too many hashtags in though, that's my my chat.

1196
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 4: I tried to fire up mid Journey. You got to

1197
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 4: join their Discord server, so I'm going to figure it out.

1198
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 3: That's like a community for us to get.

1199
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 4: I think it just works differently like their Their AI

1200
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 4: bot is done somehow through through Discord and it was

1201
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 4: like I tried whatever, man, I tried to join the beta,

1202
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 4: tried to join the beta. You gotta join the discord.

1203
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 4: Then you got to learn prompts, then you got to

1204
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 4: learn imagines. I don't know, it was more than just

1205
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 4: typing in what you want to see. Like the first

1206
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 4: time all the AI things went around, I was.

1207
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: Like, this is easy.

1208
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 4: Vin Diesel holding a tune of Sandwich twenty results all hilarious.

1209
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 4: Do it in the style of Salvador Dali, please, That

1210
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 4: was That's my only go to for AI stuff. Is

1211
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 4: a famous actor doing something weird in the style of

1212
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 4: a classical artist. Yeah, Tom Cruise running in the style

1213
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 4: of Henrima greet something.

1214
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 5: Great.

1215
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: I mean, like, when you think about it, we've done

1216
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: We've done over three thousand shows, you know, not all

1217
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: on camera, but a huge chunk for basically a decade,

1218
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 3: if not longer on camera. We could input that into

1219
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: obviously some sort of AI platform. And what I'm getting

1220
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 3: at is like, we don't need to I would sit

1221
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: a year from now. We don't need to be here. Yeah,

1222
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: you're gonna have every mannerism you've ever done here, your sayings,

1223
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: the way I talk, he thought, I mean, I'm just like,

1224
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: punch it in it uploads what happened in the NBA

1225
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 3: last night? Yeah, spits it out our show.

1226
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean chat GPI doesn't do current events yet.

1227
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true.

1228
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 5: It's older. It's twenty twenty one in past.

1229
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, so oh so that would be an issue

1230
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 3: a little hurdle right now is like games happening last night.

1231
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: It's good.

1232
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 6: Sometimes this show feels like it was it's Ai, you

1233
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 6: know what I mean, just the tangents we go on

1234
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 6: and just.

1235
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: The malfunctions like yesterday.

1236
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 5: Why are you saying that we've talked about today Special before? Yeah,

1237
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 5: of course, yeah, I'm kidding.

1238
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the American Gladiators talk about over and over.

1239
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 5: Yes, humans, it's just a loop. It's a loop. We

1240
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 5: have the same thoughts every day, our thoughts exactly the same. Really, Yeah,

1241
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 5: that's what they say. That's what AI says. Ay is

1242
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 5: better than us.

1243
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's a good tweet of the night, great photos.

1244
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 6: Shout out to his skeets forgiving that to me. Otherwise,

1245
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 6: twenty minute Pickle report, but save it, save it.

1246
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: You have an unsponsored Pickle report.

1247
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 6: Now it's just yeah, because well you know, put it

1248
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 6: out there. It's like the your Ernie's segment. Let's put it,

1249
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 6: slap a sticker on it.

1250
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Uh, Pickle Report coming soon maybe, uh maybe tomorrow.

1251
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 3: We have a lot tomorrow's podcast. Definitely not tomorrow. You

1252
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 3: know this is just going to be lengthier Pickle Report,

1253
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 3: well kind of.

1254
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 6: But also we've got Worst of the Week, we got

1255
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 6: five Star Star. There's seven games on tonight, all Star snubs,

1256
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 6: all Star snubs.

1257
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: There's just no time.

1258
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 5: I mean, we may have to do two shows.

1259
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 4: Tomorrow only snub show.

1260
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: Why don't we just do a pickle show.

1261
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 6: We can't do that too. Nods coming soon.

1262
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: Anyway, The Pickle Report is coming either in its own

1263
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: separate podcast or it's coming next I care. I mean,

1264
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: I know it must be good for you wanting to

1265
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: have turned it into it.

1266
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 6: Well, it must A lot happened, A lot happened, a

1267
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 6: lot of.

1268
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big deal.

1269
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 5: Joke. Yeah, but if you want to beat chat GPT JD,

1270
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 5: you got to start making a pickle. They don't know

1271
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 5: about two years ahead, exactly knows nothing about pick a ball.

1272
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 5: Make a show. Let's go, Yeah, let's call it.

1273
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 3: Hold on.

1274
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 4: Just to clarify, I said, here mcgreet, I meant to

1275
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 4: say Renee mcgreet, Matisey jammed those jammed them.

1276
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 3: That was like an ai exactly.

1277
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 4: I got confused, like why is why was Denny Abdiya

1278
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 4: wearing Kristaps Porzingis's number? Exactly right? But Skeets, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: need you to come to me for the quote at

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Speaker 4: the end because I asked chat GPT write me a

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Speaker 4: task Mellie quote to end it.

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Speaker 3: Not well, okay, okay, here we go. So so tomorrow

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Speaker 3: we'll be back with the Drop Podcast, obviously talking some

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Speaker 3: All Star snubs. I'm sure talking about the games, five

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Speaker 3: Star Friday Worst of the Week nominees, Tweet of the Night,

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. That's ten am Eastern live here from

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Speaker 3: the Classic Factory. Get your tickets to our Salt Lake

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Speaker 3: City show. Keep reminding you, guys, but if you're in

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Speaker 3: the area, you should come on out hang with us

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Speaker 3: on Friday night at the Ober Lounge. But until then,

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Speaker 3: Clover Bros.

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Speaker 4: You heard it here first, have a great to turn up.

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Speaker 4: Love you guys, awesome, Thanks for joining us, and remember,

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Speaker 4: as tas Mella says, keep grinding, stay focused, and never

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Speaker 4: let the haters dunk on your dreams. I've said that before.

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Speaker 4: I'm giving that.

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Speaker 3: Place the day people.

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Speaker 5: That's good