1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk. 2 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: Hi. 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 3: going to talk about Johnny Knoxville in the latest Jackass 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 3: movie and why he has to take special precautions because 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 3: of previous brain injuries, a freak accident involving a man 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: who died in an industrial dough mixer. Then we'll finish 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: up the episode talking about the case we brought you 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: last week about Jonathan Gerlock and the hundreds of bodies 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: and body parts that he had robbed from Graves, and 11 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: we'll get into a discussion about the human body broker industry. 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: All that and more on today's episode. Well, I'm excited 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: that there's a new Jackass movie coming out. I always 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: like I kind of like it. Honestly, I love Jackass. 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: I just can't. 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: I mean whatever, I'm going to sound ageous. They're old, 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: so I'm surprised to keep making them. But there's a 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: new one coming out this summer, and Johnny Knoxviell's saying 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: his stunts are going to look a little different because 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: I guess when they were recording Jackass Forever, a couple 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: of years ago, he had such a severe brain injury 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: from an incident with a bull that he's not allowed 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: to get hit in the head anymore. 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure that he's had way more than 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: that one, but that one actually caused him to have 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 3: a brain bleed and a serious concussion that he was 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: hospitalized for. So we talk about this all the time 28 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: on the show, with the increased chances of getting CTE, 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: or chronic traumatic encephalopathy. The more times you hit your 30 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: head and have a concussion when you're a younger person, 31 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: the higher the chances are that you would get this CTE, 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: which can include changes like dementia, memory loss, and then 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: some of the more severe ones that we see in 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: cases where they become violent with agitation and just mood 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: disorders and things like that. So I like that he's 36 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: even bringing awareness to that to just be like, hey, kids, 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: if you're doing dumb stuff like this, this is going 38 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: to become a concern for you as you get older. 39 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: But he's done such crazy stuff that you're almost like, 40 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: is that all that he has, you know what I mean? 41 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. 42 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: I just I don't know why. I always really just 43 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: like that show. I think it's funny. 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: The best one they ever did, I think it's in 45 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: Jackass too, is when Chris Ponds flies out of the 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: ground in a double costume. It's like, truly the funniest 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: thing ever. I can't believe these guys don't have more 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: issues from all the shit they do. I mean, you 49 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: just you you were literally watching them do these horrific 50 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: things and they just kind of laugh it off and 51 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: go about their day. But I can't believe they don't 52 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: have more severe injuries along these lines unless they just 53 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: keep it under wraps. I mean, I don't feel like 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: I heard about this at the time, but I also 55 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention to what was going on around the 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: time they were. 57 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: Filming that movie. 58 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: But they remember that same are is that guy going 59 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: to be in the new movie too? I wonder like 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: an original cast people remember he stuck like a like 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: a like a toy car like up his ass. They 62 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: had like as a rectal foreign body, and I just 63 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: remember like him, I feel like he went to the 64 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: hospital and just was like, oh, I'm having abdominal pain, 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: and then they did the X ray and put it 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: up and the car was in his butt, but his 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: face was just so funny because he was clearly like 68 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: like so uncomfortable. 69 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: You know, it just was great. 70 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: Well, I've been seeing I've been seeing i think kind 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: of misleading headlines that Bam Margara was going to be 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: part of it. But what I read is that he 73 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: just signed documentation that they could show old footage of him, 74 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: but he's not going to be doing any news stunts. 75 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: And with this in my and with all the issues 76 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: he's having, you have to wonder, like, did all of 77 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: these stunts make him into the kind of a mess 78 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: he is today or was that just always happening behind 79 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: the scenes and it's just gotten really severe. I mean, 80 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: there's also just to take into consideration that going from 81 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: just being like a pretty regular, you know, middle class 82 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: person to getting that level of fame, sometimes people just 83 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: don't handle it correctly, you know. 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: No, totally all right. 85 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: A seventy one year old pastry chef was working with 86 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: an industrial dough mixer when he somehow got caught in 87 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: it and suffered such severe injuries that he died. 88 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: Yes, so again we don't have any details about what 89 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: happened in this case. Sometimes in different kinds of machinery 90 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: that spins like that one thing is to note is 91 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: that you should never have any kind of loose clothing 92 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 3: on with women, especially if you have like or men, 93 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: if you have longer hair, it always should be tied 94 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 3: back because it could get wrapped up in it and 95 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: pull like pull you into the machine basically, and it 96 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: could cause like asphyxia. Even if the guy had on 97 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: a shirt and it got caught in it and just 98 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: pulled them in, it could just pull your body so 99 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: close to it. So we don't really know what happened 100 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: in that case. Another thing to take into consideration, because 101 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: he was older, is that maybe he had a heart 102 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: attack and kind of fell into it and then you know, 103 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: so they have OSHA, which is occupational safety organization that 104 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: will go in and check to make sure that there's 105 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: not something unsafe at the workplace that caused this to 106 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: happen to him, like kind of do an investigation to 107 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: see whose fault was this and why did it happen 108 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: so it doesn't happen to anyone else. I mean, he's 109 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: been working there for a very long time, right as 110 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: a pastry chef. 111 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I just want to put the 112 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: picture in everybody's head too. If you just have a 113 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: small level kitchen aid or stand mixer, for example, think 114 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: about that on its highest power, how much force that has, 115 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: and then think about that in an extremely large capacity 116 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: doing much larger things. So I definitely think these things 117 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: could be very dangerous. 118 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: And I mean I feel like. 119 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: When we were going through the grocery room in the 120 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: last year recategorizing everything, we had a lot of industrial 121 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: accidents like this. Didn't I ever tell you about the 122 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: time that I was using one of those stupid handheld mixers. 123 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: It was before I got my kitchen. 124 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: Aid, and I was so I was holding it like 125 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 3: with my left hand, and then I had this batula 126 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: and was kind of like pushing down the sides of 127 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: the batter like in. 128 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: It while I was just making a cake mix and. 129 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: I bumped into it and it like sucked the rubber 130 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: spatula into what are the things called, oh, the beader thing, 131 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: you know, the beader, Yeah, they're later things. It sucked 132 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: it in, and it sucked my hand in, Like, yeah, 133 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: my hand got stuck in it, and and I had 134 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: that thing was like stuck on my hand and it 135 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: hurt so freaking bad. And I was able to pull 136 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: my hand out. I'm surprised I didn't break my hand, honestly, 137 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: Like it was crazy to think about your hand being 138 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: stuck in one of those things. Like it was terrible 139 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: and I was like, holy shit, just because like I 140 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: was getting ready to go to a party. 141 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,559 Speaker 2: Or something and brushing and not paying attention and stuff. 142 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: But like, I can't even imagine that on another kind 143 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: of a level, you know. 144 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: I have this very vivid memory from my childhood. It's 145 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: like one of those weird things you remember even though 146 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: it happened twenty five years ago, where I was at 147 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: my childhood friend's house and we were like making brownies 148 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: or something, and my friend plugged in the hand mixture 149 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: while her mom was holding it, and it turned on 150 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: and her mom's hand was nowhere near it or anything. 151 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: It just turned on and her mom flipped out so bad. 152 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: It was like you could have just killed me. And 153 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, relax, like it was an accident 154 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: with your hand was nowhere near it, so chill out. 155 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, those things have a lot of force behind them, 156 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: and people do need to be really careful. I feel like, 157 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: especially in the home, people aren't thinking about that. 158 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: Like I'm not. 159 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: Thinking about that when I'm just throwing stuff at the KitchenAid, right, 160 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: but it could happen so easy, like in your case. 161 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah all right. 162 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Joe Jackaline actually made me aware of this guy during 163 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: our live stream last Friday. Encourage everybody to check out 164 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: the True Crime with the Sarge live stream from last Friday, 165 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: finding it was so much fun. He is, I love 166 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: him such a good names. 167 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: So he called me a wacko if for any of you, 168 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 3: this is so great, so for any of you guys 169 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 3: that didn't see it or did see it, So before 170 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: we go on this live I just said to him, Hey, 171 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: I'm gonna I want to put a bunch of pictures 172 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: with some of the stuff we're talking about, just so 173 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: I could explain things. And for those of you in 174 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: the gross room who read our post about I think girlock, 175 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: I do this whole entire thing about, like what's what 176 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 3: things are for sale in America right now that are 177 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: considered to be legitimate medical skulls and are totally legal 178 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: to sell versus like the stuff this guy was selling. 179 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: And this guy so so I gave him pictures off 180 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: of this guy's Instagram and then I gave him a 181 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: picture of the skull that's in one of the skulls 182 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: that's in my house that looks like it came out of. 183 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: A museum, right. 184 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 3: So Maria uploads that picture of the skull from my 185 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: house and then Joe looks at it and he goes, 186 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: this guy was a real wacko. This was and I 187 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 3: was like, Joe, that's my house and it was so funny. 188 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: So I have I literally have not let it go 189 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: with him. Every single day. I've been messing with him 190 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: and he he's like, I feel really bad about this. 191 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: You're never gonna let me live this down. And I 192 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: was like, oh, absolutely not. So then yesterday I texted 193 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: him and I was like, dude, I just watched the 194 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: Karen Reid movie, which we're gonna talk about another episode 195 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: later this week, and I said, Proctor from the trial 196 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 3: called Karen Reed a wacko. I just I was like, 197 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: I just want to let you know, so like it's 198 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 3: it's great. 199 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: I know Braylin was in there for sures because I 200 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: saw her at the comment section, but yeah, that was 201 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: before we went live. I I was thinking about it 202 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: the whole time we were recording and just like cracking up, 203 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: trying not to laugh, thinking about it was so great. Okay. Anyway, 204 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: so there's this guy, Jeremy Paully, So he's speaking out 205 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: about the Jonathan Gerlot case now because he himself had 206 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: been wrapped up in kind of a similar situation and 207 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: I had gone to prison for trafficking stolen human remains. 208 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: So we didn't talk. 209 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if we We might have talked about 210 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: it a little bit in the grocery or definitely in 211 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: the grocery, might think a little bit. But also on 212 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: this show, yeah, when it all went down, because it 213 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: was attached to like if I'm reading correctly, he but 214 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: he was trying to do some procedure called plastinization, which 215 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: is when you take a human body or human body 216 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: parts and inject like a wax type of polymer plastic 217 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: thing inside of it so it could be preserved forever. 218 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: This would be the most thing that you guys will 219 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: find relatable, is like the Body World's exhibits where they 220 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: have these bodies on display. It's a technique that is 221 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: used in medicine a lot, just so people could have 222 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: access to looking at real anatomic specimens that aren't decomposing 223 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: and their anatomy is preserved. 224 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: And things like that. So this guy, even though he's. 225 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 3: Not a medical person or anything, was trying to work 226 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: on that technique and he was buying human tissue off 227 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: of someone to do that. And that person that he 228 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: was buying the human tissue off of was getting it 229 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: from donor programs for cadavers for medical schools and stuff 230 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: like that. 231 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was the specifics where he was getting them from. 232 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: So from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two, this person, 233 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: Cedric Lodge, who managed the morgue for the Anatomical Gifts 234 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: Program at Harvard Medical School, stole organs and other parts 235 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: of cadavers donated for medical research and education before their 236 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: scheduled creations. And then he also got stolen human remains 237 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: from a woman named Candace Chapman Scott who stole remains 238 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: from her employer in Little Rock, Arkansas Mortuary and Crematorium. 239 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: So I guess why he got in trouble was the 240 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: Department of Justice website. I was reading about this case. 241 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: They were saying he knew he was stealing stolen remains 242 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: or buying stealing, he was buying stolen remains and that's 243 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: where he comes in guilty here. 244 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: Well, I guess, I guess yeah. 245 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 3: I mean it's the same conversation and I had about 246 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: Jonathan Garlock. It's just like there's never a reason a 247 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 3: person in the general population should have access to something 248 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: like that. Yes, Like you could say, like right now, 249 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: if I want to get if if I want to 250 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: practice let's say I was doing that, I want to 251 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: practice that technique on a deer. You can get animals right, 252 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: like easily, they're you know, just get someone to go 253 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: out and shoot one, get one that's already been shot, 254 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 3: someone's freeze or whatever. But like it's the same thing 255 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: we were talking about with the skulls, Like if you 256 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: have a human skull, the only reason that you should 257 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: have a human skull in your possession is if it 258 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: was an old medical specimen or you dug it up 259 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 3: out of a grave, like why would or you killed 260 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 3: a person, Like where would you get a human skull from? Right, 261 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: So if you don't know where it's coming from, I 262 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: guess there's a lot of And we're going to talk 263 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: about this a little bit more on this episode. There's 264 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: just like a gray area of like what is allowed 265 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 3: to be sold versus not. So this guy ends up 266 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 3: they get him and say he knew where he was 267 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 3: getting it from, which which is possible because he wasn't 268 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: questioning where it was coming from, I suppose. 269 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: And he got sentenced to what five. 270 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: Years in jail, He got sick, he made a plea deal, 271 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: and he got six years. And you know, now he 272 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: is speaking out about this John to think Ger law case, 273 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: and he's saying that collectors and people like Jonathan are 274 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: not the same person. This guy refers to himself as 275 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: a collector. He said, there's no shortage of legal human 276 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: remains on the market. There is no need to steal 277 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: an especially grave dig unless you're just trying to create 278 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: a product from nothing. But like, yeah, you were using 279 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: stolen once, so like you were of yourself. I was thinking, 280 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: like I do agree with that statement, but like. 281 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: Not from him. 282 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: He's going and I don't know whatever, I I don't, 283 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: I don't, I just I don't even understand. I feel 284 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: like six years and like I know that they need 285 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: to make an example of him and stuff, but like 286 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: six years is so much time compared like if pedophiles 287 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 3: were getting that much time, I would say, Okay, this 288 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: is an equivalent sentence, but it's just they're just totally 289 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: making example of this guy. It's just harsh compared to 290 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: some of the other sentences that people get, right, like 291 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: I don't know whatever. 292 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: Of people that go to jail for like defrauding a 293 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: bank loan or something, and they get like twelve years 294 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: in prison and listen, it's obviously not right in everything, 295 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: but like. 296 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: It's it's just not the same as like physically, like 297 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: hurting a human being, especially a child. So I don't 298 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: I don't really understand, but whatever, the legal system is 299 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: what it is. So he's going to jail for a while. 300 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: He So this is really interesting. He was trying to 301 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: delay his sentence because he has he has a very 302 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: unusual look and he has these implanted spikes in his 303 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: head that he wanted to get surgically removed. So he 304 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: was trying to delay going to jail, and they were like, yeah, no. 305 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just want to get it over with. Yeah, 306 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: but I agree with his statement, like you're saying, and 307 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: maybe it's a self reflection. Maybe he I think he's 308 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: out now, so maybe he spend his time in jail, And. 309 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 3: No, he's not out, he's getting ready to go in. Oh, 310 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: I thought he was out, okay, so because this all 311 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: this all just happened and he's just he That's what's weird, 312 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 3: because it's like he has to go to jail for 313 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 3: six years, but like it wasn't bad enough that he's 314 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: out free right now and he has to go report 315 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: Like it's just it's just bizarre. I don't want it 316 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: just seems like so much time to be out of 317 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: the population when when you're not considered to be a 318 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: harm to other people. I mean, what he did was 319 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: was was terrible, right and upsetting for families involved in 320 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: everything like that, and it has wider implications because then 321 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 3: people are going to be less inclined to donate their 322 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: body to science if they think that something like this 323 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 3: is going to go on behind the scenes. 324 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: But I he he wasn't. 325 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: Even the ring master, Like there's there's people way above 326 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: him in this, so it was like a whole thing. 327 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: I too don't understand that. 328 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: Like I was always under the assumption that when you 329 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: were sentenced, you just went right there and started. But 330 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: then I've been hearing with other cases of people getting 331 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: like duys and stuff that they could just turn themselves 332 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: in and they have to be turned in by a 333 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: specific date, So like, why are you allowed to get 334 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: your affairs in order during that time? Like you should 335 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: have it. You don't always get setenced immediately upon your conviction, So. 336 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, and I would just be like, I 337 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: want to get this over with like that. 338 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: Why wait? 339 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. 340 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. 341 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 3: But so I guess one thing I am confused though, 342 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 3: is that so he just did this first interview. He 343 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: has some kind of an oddity store in Pennsylvania somewhere 344 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 3: near Scranton. Like he's still allowed to have that store 345 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: and sell stuff when. 346 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: This happened. 347 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: That's what I'm a little confused about. 348 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I feel like this case, 349 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: well maybe these two going back to back, are really 350 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: gonna start changing laws at least in Pennsylvania about these sales, 351 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: because like, these are two major problems and God knows 352 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: what goes on that we don't even know about. Yeah, 353 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: I mean it, it's just like it is, but it's 354 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: you know how long things take. Yeah, totally. 355 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: And I think that just the impending like this is 356 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: gonna happen, it's just gonna make it worse for a 357 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 3: while because people just be like let's get this done 358 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 3: before there's actually laws about it. 359 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 2: Right. 360 00:18:49,960 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 3: God, I'm into like a skull buy back program. 361 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by the Gross Room. 362 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: So last week's high profile death dis section was on 363 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: Jonathan Gurlock, and we go through that whole entire case, 364 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 3: talking a little bit more, but also showing pictures of 365 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 3: different things, and going through all the laws, what's legal, 366 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: what's not legal, and what that looks like. This week, 367 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 3: of course, I told you we did one on Hannah 368 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: Petty and her particular case we talked about in the 369 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 3: Gross Room last week about her husband poisoning her with 370 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: lead capsules that he was giving her just saying, hey, Han, 371 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 3: take these vitamins. So we go all about what that 372 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: does to the human body, how they're able to identify 373 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 3: that at the hospital, because obviously people don't get lead 374 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: poisoning often, so it's not on the first the first 375 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: thing on a doctor's mind to diagnose somebody with that. 376 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: So we go through all the different lab tests and 377 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: what they look forward to get to that point, and 378 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: imaging as well, and then we have a really good 379 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: case of a woman who was married who really wanted 380 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: to get rid of her husband's name that was tattooed 381 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: on her in a very unusual way. So all that 382 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 3: and more in the Grossroom. 383 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: Head over to the grossroom dot com now to sign up. 384 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: So this next article getting back into this body trade industry, 385 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 3: I'm not sure the legitimacy of this particular article because 386 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 3: one thing that I took a note of was how 387 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 3: the person that wrote the article was talking about a 388 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: case where a woman said that she recognized her son 389 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: as the thinker in the Body World's exhibit in Las Vegas, 390 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: or one of those body exhibits in Las Vegas. And 391 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: I had, actually I heard that. I came across that 392 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 3: a year or so ago, and I decided to look 393 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: into it, and I wrote a forensic Friday on it, 394 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 3: and going through that and comparing what her son looked 395 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: like and all of the things that she described, going 396 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 3: side by side with pictures and everything, I personally came 397 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: to the conclusion that's definitely not her son. And so 398 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: this person's writing it as fact that it is when 399 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: that's never been confirmed. 400 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: They did put she quote recognized, but like they also 401 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: didn't make it clear like you're saying that that was 402 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: it it was. 403 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: It was like I'm going to tell you that there's 404 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 3: there's a huge thing that a lot of those bodies 405 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: were coming from, like Chinese prisons and things like that, 406 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 3: and it just looks more consistent with something like that. 407 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: Just all of the things she said didn't match up. 408 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, she could think it's her son, but but 409 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 3: it's not, so that shouldn't be written as fact like that. 410 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess the argument they're trying to make, well, 411 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: not argument. They're trying to explain this world of body 412 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: brokers and how valuable body parts can be. And this 413 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: is seeming to from this Jonathan Girlock case coming out. 414 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: All these people are curious all of a sudden, even 415 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: though I'm like, this case was involved in shocking to 416 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: some extent, but grave ropping. It's just not that I 417 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: don't think it's as rare as people are pointing it 418 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: out to be. I feel like we cover stories about 419 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: it quite often, but this one's clearly getting more recognition. 420 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: But the person writing this article is trying to go 421 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: over basically how valuable each part of your body is 422 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: said to be on in regular markets and the black market, 423 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: because apparently there's a legal way to do it, and 424 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: a majorly illegal way to do it. 425 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so a whole human body is going from ten 426 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: to fifteen thousand dollars. Now, if you remember in the 427 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 3: Jonathan Girlock case, I would even say it might even 428 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 3: be more than that. 429 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think so. 430 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: But the Jonathan Girlock case, if you remember, in his 431 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 3: storage unit, he actually has full cod like bodies, decomposed bodies, 432 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: full skeletonized, partially skeletonized, some soft tissue attached. So I 433 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 3: saw at least two or three right, like, if you 434 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 3: think about them, at minimum fifteen thousand dollars a pop. 435 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 3: Like this is a huge money industry. 436 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I feel like we got into this 437 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: similarly with the David Scans case. If you head over 438 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: in the grocerim and read the Lamb Funeral Home dissection, 439 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: because in that case they had formed this false nonprofit 440 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: where they were kind of under the guise of being 441 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: a tissue bank. But what people didn't know behind the 442 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: scenes was this man was allegedly taking body parts from 443 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: dead people that were coming to the funeral home and 444 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,239 Speaker 1: supposed to be getting cremated or just burials, taking their 445 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: eyeballs and then in these cases they'll sell them to 446 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: schools or companies that will test for implants or surgical tools. 447 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: They even say they could be sold to medical or 448 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: military research. So in these cases, these people are illegally 449 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,239 Speaker 1: taped making these parts off of the bodies and then 450 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: making profits off of selling their parts and trying to 451 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: act like it's legal, but technically it's all illegal. So 452 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: it's just weird to me because I think about a 453 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: medical like a company that's trying to test medical devices 454 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: for example, why why don't they have to trace where 455 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: it's coming from unless they were providing to take paperwork. 456 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: So we were We talked about this in another case 457 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: in the grocerroom recently too, when we were talking about 458 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: that random embombed head that was found in the woods 459 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania back in the early two thousands. And we 460 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: really get into the whole body trade industry in that 461 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: post too, because we're saying, like, Okay, there was this 462 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: embombed head found in the woods, how did it get there? 463 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: It had to be from. 464 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 3: One of these cases, because who would sit there and 465 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: embomb a person like that? Like that's somebody's head that 466 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: had already been embombed. 467 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: So that is the case I was thinking of when 468 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: Joe asked me, what cold case do you want to 469 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: and I was like, we just wrote about one, and 470 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: I was having major pregnancy brain. I'm like, I have 471 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: no idea, but I know we just wrote about one, 472 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: and I was picturing it in my head and I'm like, 473 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: I can't articulate what this is. That was the one. 474 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 3: I was thinking, Yeah, and that would be that would 475 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: be a really good one to get solved. But I mean, 476 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 3: they're just there's never a situation where there should be 477 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 3: an embalmed head there. But then you're like, Okay, there's 478 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 3: way more to this story, like where did it come from? 479 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: It? 480 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: Did it come from one of these things where there's 481 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 3: because there was all this talk about this guy that 482 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 3: might have been involved that he was saying he was 483 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 3: digging through the trash to get body parts to do 484 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 3: this very similar thing. So you know, it just was 485 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: We have like a big discussion on it though in 486 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: this particular post about what is it. 487 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 2: The case of the embombed head? 488 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, this this severed and Bob ten in the woods. 489 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: But let's get into some of these prices. The prices 490 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: in this article we're in a foreign currency, but I 491 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: put them into US dollars just because most of our 492 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: listeners are in the US. So all right, Torso said 493 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: it could go from three thousand, one hundred and seventy 494 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: five dollars a liver for six hundred dollars, ahead for 495 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. All right, Pause, Why would a liver 496 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: be more valuable than a whole head? 497 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: This is dumb, all right? But ahead would be ahead 498 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: would be so. 499 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 3: Much money because just the skull is going to be hundreds, 500 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 3: if not thousands of dollars. 501 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: So like, why would the head be cheaper? Or is 502 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: it like when you. 503 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 3: Go when you go to the grocery store and they're like, okay, 504 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: you could have this meat that costs this price. But 505 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 3: if we had processed it and chopped it up into 506 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: fine pieces for like a stir fry, it costs more 507 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: because we we actually had to do something to it. 508 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: Maybe all right, foot and lower leg three fifty, spine 509 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: three hundred artery sixty five, a fingernail seven dollars. And 510 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: then we get into the black market prices, which are 511 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: corneas fifteen thousand dollars, lungs two hundred and six thousand dollars, 512 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: kidneys one hundred and five thousand dollars, liver one hundred 513 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: and six thousand dollars, heart four hundred and twenty five 514 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, maybe up to a million dollars, skeleton five 515 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, bone and ligaments three to three point five 516 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, skin six dollars per square inch, and blood 517 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty five dollars per liter. I don't 518 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: know where this person is getting these prices from in 519 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: their research, but it seems all over the place. 520 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, what did they say a full body? Was like, 521 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: just get the full body and then get all the 522 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: pieces yourself. I'm telling you it's like going you know 523 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: how you could go to Costco and buy like half 524 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 3: of a cow. It's just way cheaper than getting the 525 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: meat wrapped up individually. 526 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like you're saying, it's because they have Is 527 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 1: it because they have to put the work into it 528 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: to cut it up and whatever? 529 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. 530 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: This just seems all over the place, but we do 531 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: know there is a black market for body part selling. 532 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: Another good example of this is a show called Kings 533 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: of Tupelo on Netflix as a documentary about Elvis impersonated 534 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: that possibly expossed an underground human trafficking or human remains 535 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: trafficking ring. Very interesting story. And then we have the 536 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: Land Funeral Home as just two high profile examples of this, right, 537 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: but we certainly know what happens and they are making 538 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: a lot of money off of it. 539 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's scary to just say, like, I guess another 540 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: industry that needs to be more regulated, because if you 541 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: are donating, then you would want to hope that you know, 542 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 3: like let's say, for example, we had cadavers. The word 543 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 3: donate is funny too, because our cadaver cost a lot 544 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: of money. I remember we had to split it the 545 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: three of us or that were in our group or whatever. 546 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: That had to split it. 547 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 3: But once like let's say, for example, we took the 548 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: guy's liver out and we caught it up, and we 549 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 3: were dumbed dissecting it. We put it in a specific 550 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: trash bag that stayed with that body the whole time. 551 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: So we knew that that like all that guy's remains 552 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: were buried to get would get a cut, you know, 553 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 3: they would get cremated together. So that's okay, that's like 554 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 3: what we did in the gross anatomy lab like that. 555 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 3: But I suppose that whoever is the Morga attendant at 556 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: that point that has access to those bags could just 557 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: I mean, like if you took the liver out and 558 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: gave it to somebody, how would you really know? You know, like, well, 559 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: I think that's what's happening, and like that's that's like 560 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: one thing, and then you have this other level of 561 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: this land funeral home where they were they were just 562 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: straight up taking everything and then handing people like cat 563 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: litter or whatever rocks in a bag and saying it 564 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: was uh. And then you have another thing with other 565 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: funeral homes that they are saying that they're cremating family 566 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: members and they're not, and they're just keeping the money 567 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: and giving fake like cremains to a person too, So 568 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: which is just like that's like a whole other level 569 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 3: of being, you know, just gross, right. 570 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. So also stemming from this is an 571 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: article about how the purchase of human remains is most 572 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: popular around Halloween, particularly in Pennsylvania, and how in Pennsylvania 573 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: they're legally allowed to become Halloween decor But like is 574 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: that true? 575 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, ark all that money, Like, I don't know, 576 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: I don't. 577 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: Think people are I mean, I'm sure there are some people. 578 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't think people are buying them with the intention 579 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: of them specifically being Halloween decor. But a person like you, 580 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: for example, that has like an old medical specimen could 581 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: in theory use it as Halloween decor. Yeah. 582 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 3: I mean. The thing is is that like they're you know, 583 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 3: there are certain movies that were filmed like Gooni's for example, 584 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 3: they're real skeletons, all of them. Really, you're yes, one 585 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: hundred percent, like back in the day, yes, so like 586 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 3: even some of the rides and stuff when you're at 587 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: like like Pirates of the Caribbean and stuff like, probably 588 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: not now, but when the first opened, I guarantee that 589 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 3: it probably. 590 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, like this is I feel like what 591 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: was one of the movies? 592 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: Was it It's one of the Twilight Zone movies or something. 593 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 3: They had skelet like real skeletons. They like this is 594 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: this is not anything new to be used as like 595 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 3: a prop for something like that, right, And you wouldn't 596 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: have thought that was weird then, but now you're just like, Okay, 597 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: there's all these laws and stuff and it's probably frowned upon, 598 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: so we're just gonna use plastic ones that are really 599 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: good so people can't tell. But yeah, I mean, like 600 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 3: I just I just don't really know if that's true, 601 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 3: because I'm thinking, like, if you want to do a 602 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 3: Halloween display, even if you're a super rich person, you're 603 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 3: a freaking Kardashian, Like, are you gonna spend five thousand 604 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: dollars for real skeleton? Like come on, well it sounds 605 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 3: it sounds outrageous. 606 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: I guess the argument they're trying to make is how 607 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: disrespectful it is. And like, listen, I one hundred percent 608 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: agree with that, But where do we draw the line, 609 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: particularly with Halloween, because like, what's the difference if you 610 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: have a real person on display or you have a 611 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: fake skeleton in a scene where they got in a 612 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: horrific car accident or they're cutting somebody's head off, right, 613 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean, people are getting so out of control with 614 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: the decorations, and it's like where do we draw the line? Yeah, 615 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: it's all disrespectful if you really want to think about 616 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: it like that. 617 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about that a little bit at Halloween 618 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 3: time in the grosser room, just because some of the 619 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 3: displays are showing like real like real violence, people that 620 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 3: are like stabbed to death with blood all over and stuff, 621 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: and just thinking about that one day a year that 622 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 3: it's totally okay to celebrate like serial killers and mass murderers, 623 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 3: and then the other times you're just supposed to be like, yeah, 624 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: this is not a good thing at all, you know. 625 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: It's just a little weird. 626 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And another specific example they brought up was that 627 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: there is a dead child's spine used as a purse handle. 628 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: Like we talked about that. What the Jona thing are 629 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: a lot case too? Didn't he sell like a human 630 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: skin purse society. Yes, there is a major difference between 631 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: medical specimens being on display and using them for things 632 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: like making purses. But if you really want to look 633 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: at the whole thing about it being used as decor 634 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: I mean Halloween as a concept in this modern age 635 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, the whole entire thing is disrespectful. So like, 636 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: I don't know where you want to draw the line, Like, yeah, 637 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: it's not right, but guess what people do it? So 638 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: people do other horrible tacky decorations do It's just kind 639 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: of the way the culture has evolved till today. Yeah, 640 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean Halloween started as this like nice end of 641 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: winter harvest ritual from Irish people, and now is turned 642 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: into this totally gory mess. So like how did we 643 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: get from his place to the other? 644 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: It is really unusual. 645 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: Actually, if if I think about like when I was 646 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 3: a kid in the decorations versus now, it's just it 647 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 3: like when I was a kid, we had like jack 648 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 3: land or pumpkins and like the scary black cat and 649 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 3: witches and things like that, and now we've gone to like, Okay, 650 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 3: we're gonna put a wood chipper on the front lawn 651 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: and make it look like someone got stuck at it 652 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 3: and their blood is like spattered all over the front lawn. 653 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 3: And someone even propped like a car to make it 654 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 3: look like a car accident with a person that got 655 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 3: hit by a car across against a tree. 656 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, just like so outrageous people are 657 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: wrapping skeletons, fake or real, in trash bags and hanging 658 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: them from trees. Like where are we going to draw 659 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: the Line's there's. 660 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 3: This one house too near us that it I mean, 661 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 3: as of last time I drove by it, it's still up. 662 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 3: It's it's a body that looks like it's wrapped up 663 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 3: in a black trash with like duct tape around the 664 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 3: neck and around the feet, and it's hanging from their tree, 665 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 3: and I'm just like, dude, it's like Christmas, why is 666 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 3: this still here with those stupid big skeletons. I'm just 667 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 3: kind of like I get it for like the day 668 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: of but the next day it's like you have to 669 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 3: get rid of it because it just looks so bizarre. 670 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 2: I think we. 671 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: Need to implement a fifteen day rule. You have fifteen 672 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: days to get rid of the prior holidays. 673 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 3: I still have my outside Christmas decorations up. I'm such 674 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 3: a slacker. It seriously is like I got back from 675 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 3: the trip. It was just like a boom boom boom, 676 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 3: Like got back from the trip. It was it's been 677 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 3: ten and twenty degrees outside, and then everybody's been sick 678 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 3: this week, Like I just have to go out there 679 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 3: and next week. I mean, according to everything, we're getting 680 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 3: like five feet of snow on this weekend. 681 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: So it's not happening this weekend either. Dude, it's Valentine's Day. 682 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: You need to get your shit together. 683 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 3: Creations are pink, so technically they could be Valentine's Day. 684 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: Nutcrackers are not the Nutcrack. I unplugged, I unplugged the Nutcracker. 685 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: Oh my, you need to get on that iPod stuff. 686 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: I don't care, like judge me all you want. I 687 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: took the ones down inside like get over it? 688 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 3: All right, guys. 689 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: Well, we have some Valentine's Day merse speaking of it's 690 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: really cool. 691 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 3: Actually we made this collection inspired by Victorian Morning jewelry, 692 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 3: so it's really really cool. 693 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really cool. I hope you guys enjoy. 694 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: We have three new designs on there, so they are 695 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: available to buy as a T shirt and a sweatshirt. 696 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: They are super cute, so you get head over to 697 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: the doormattershop dot com to buy those, or head over 698 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: to website hit shop or click shop. In the description 699 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: of every episode we have the links there. Also, our 700 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: City Vineyard tickets are available for purchase for our live 701 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: show on February twenty first. 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