WEBVTT - This Is How They are Coming For You | Robert Barnes 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.760 Robert, thanks for joining me today. Uh, I'm happy to 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.520 have you back. I've been following along with all this 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.840 stuff you've been talking about. I am I'm shocked. I'm 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.360 alarmed of what's going on. There's attacks happening all over 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.280 the place, and so I've been one to talk to 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:45.640 you for a couple of weeks. I'm glad we finally 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.160 got a chance to do this. Absolutely so um Man, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.400 there's so many things that, so many things to dive into, 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.080 so many topics to jump into. UM, let's start with 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.720 the one, um, a big one, and then we can 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.480 dive down. So UM I've been talking about been seen. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.360 It looks like we have a tax on free speech 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.280 from like almost every angle. I've been saying that I 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.560 believe we're in a war. Um. It's just a war 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:17.400 of information and money and so um on the information front. Um. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.440 If the powers that be are losing their grip on 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.400 the narrative, then they have to up their game to 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.840 win the war on information, and so they need to 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.760 find ways to censor people, silence people, et cetera. So 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.000 I've been seeing this as this attack on free speech 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.480 from multiple angles. So a couple of ones that I've 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.800 seen are the Alex Jones trial. Right, Um, they're trying 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.600 to use something that has this unanimous consensus that everybody 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.800 thinks is bad and use that to chip away. We 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:47.040 have the Trump January six um thing going on, and 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.880 then we had this Tornado cash which was like a 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.840 public utility or protocol. But I think they all look 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.040 like a tax on free speech to me. What's your 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.560 take on that? No doubt. And in fact, the case 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.280 that a lot of people have not paid enough attention 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.840 to is the Alex Jones trials. So in those cases, 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.680 they're using it as a test case to whether you 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:13.280 can basically run show trials in America, complete show trials. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.959 So they have gutted him of all of his procedural rights. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.280 Not allowed to bring motions to dismiss not allowed to 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.120 bring motions for summary judgment, Not allowed to challenge the 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.560 legal sufficiency of the case against him, not allowed even 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.640 to testify on his own behalf as to his innocence. 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.639 He the only in fact that the trial that's guilty 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.919 until proven guiltier where he is not allowed to defend himself, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.400 where evidence against him is introduced, but he is not 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.880 allowed to impeach or cross examine that evidence in a 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.680 meaningful way now. In fact, for example, in the Connecticut 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.080 trial going on right now, the judges said, there's one 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.640 name that cannot even be talked about in the entire trial, 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.880 and that's Hillary Clinton. That's how insane the cases, even 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.760 though Hillary Clinton has a lot to do with how 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.880 that trial came about. So uh and and the reason 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.200 for that is their secondary objective. Uh, they're stripping of 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.560 all of his proceed Drill writes his day in court. 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.120 He hasn't given any day in court his right to 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.440 trial by Jerry on the merits. He's being denied his 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.840 right to trial by Jerry on the merits. Uh. They 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.400 claim that he didn't participate in discovery, but anybody watching 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.600 the trial realizes he must have, because they have more 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.400 discovery the other side than anybody's ever had to give 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.479 in any case. It's it's about ultimately using him as 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.400 an example to take away other people's speech because the 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.720 legal president they're establishing. Because the other unique factor here 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.560 is Joe is being sued and for like unfair competition 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.920 and trade laws and consumer protection laws. But the people 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.799 suing him are not consumers. There are people who disagree 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.960 with what he said about topics over the years, um 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:44.000 and in instead it's basically a defamation case. Yet they're 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.039 being allowed to sue under these theories that no one's 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.840 ever heard of being applied in this context before. But 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.279 the it's not only that. The constitutional requirement is that 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.560 you can't be sued for defamation unless you say a 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:00.919 specifically factual statement that's false that you know to be 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:06.200 false about someone specific. So that's how we protect robust 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.080 free speech. We uh, there's no such thing as a 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.800 wrong idea in America. Yet they're trying to gut all 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.640 of that because in the Jones case, he never talked 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.000 about the people that are suing him, never mentioned him 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.520 by name, never referenced him. So forth, the people that 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.719 are suing him, there's only one or two people that 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.080 even got referenced directly or indirectly. Almost all the people 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.640 are suing him include an FBI agent. You have an 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.760 FBI agent suing him who didn't identify anything Alex Jones 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.560 every even said about him. He's an FBI lawyer, So 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.440 how is this FBI lawyer being allowed to sue? The 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.960 new theory is, if you say something that upset somebody, 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.920 and you know it might upset somebody, they can sue you, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.680 and if it's controversial enough, they can sue you into 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.040 bankruptcy and oblivion, as the plaintiffs lawyers have said, is 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.960 their exact plan here in the Connecticut case, they said 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.800 it out loud in the courtroom. The place lawyer said, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.200 justice is preventing Alex Jones from ever having a microphone, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.520 ever having access to the media, ever being able to 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.400 have his opinion heard by you, the people, ever again. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.920 And that's why the Jones case is so dangerous. They're 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.159 trying to establish the precedent that they can use lawfare 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:23.239 in the legal system to completely financially obliterate any dissident opinion. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.320 And it's a precarious precedent. And because it's Alex Jones, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.200 and because the topic is Sandy Hook, most people are 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.320 too scared to look into it, to talk about it, 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.400 to challenge the media narrative, to contest what's happening, to 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.600 expose what's happening. Too many people on the right who 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.080 have disagreements with Alex Jones are letting those disagreements with 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.440 Alex Jones blind the fact that just like he was 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.240 the Canarian the coal mine on big Tech. When they 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.400 took out Alex Jones, they used it as the precedent 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.880 ultimately take out the President of the United States. They're 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.480 now using him in the law fair arena to say 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.280 we if we don't like your speech, we can now 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:04.240 use the state court civil justice system to bankrupt you 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.640 because we don't like your speech. And we can do 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.520 it without every giving you your day in court, without 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.360 every giving you trial by jury on the merits, without 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.960 ever giving you basic core rights that every American is 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.640 supposed to have. Wow, that's a lot. That's a lot. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.640 So um little known fact people will find out here. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.000 But about two weeks ago I went and sat down 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.720 with Alex Jones and I even hosted the Info War 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.960 Show for a segment and then we went into a 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.320 long interview. Um, so I'm having that come out, but 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.720 I'm afraid to put that on YouTube. So it's probably 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.640 gonna be on My Rumble, It'll be on the Odyssey, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.400 It'll be on my podcast. It won't be on my YouTube, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.440 just because I'm afraid of the backlash that will have. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.320 But I was surprised at just the backlash I already got. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.559 People saw me on Info Wars, even from my own 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.120 daughter who's like, he's such a bad man and he 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:55.160 said these bad things. And I told my daughter, I'm like, look, okay, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.200 so he said bad things. It made people feel bad, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:58.960 like that's wrong, and I don't approve that, and he 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.080 shouldn't have said that. Okay, whatever, But like it's not illegal, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.480 it's not illegal. It shouldn't be. Um. You know, in 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.080 his in his defense to what he said, he's like, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.080 you know, he goes live whatever four hours a day, 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.840 so that's whatever, twenty hours a week, uh whatever, almost 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.720 a hundred hours a month he's live. He said. The 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.040 total amount of time he talked about that topic was 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.800 twenty four minutes, I think, is what he said. And 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.520 he said the same thing as you. He never mentioned 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.720 anybody's name, He never directly said anything whatever. Um. And 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.640 some of the comments I got from other people were like, well, 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.920 he used this to his advantage. He's trying to gain 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.600 from this. I'm like, he talked about it twenty four minutes. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.240 The media has talked about hundreds of hours. Who's using 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.200 what to gain? But digging back into some of the 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:42.800 things that you said, because it's way worse than I 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.800 had even imagined. Um, it's a way worse not even imagined. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.600 So they're denying him all these things to the point 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.360 that you're making um and I didn't write them all down, 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:55.840 But um, how are they able to do that? I mean, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.360 is it because they have a judge that's just going 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.440 along with it and they're doing that? I mean, will 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.560 he be able to appeal this? I mean, I I 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.760 understand laws are being changed and it's becoming more and 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.079 more unfair, but for the ones that are still there, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.280 I mean, doesn't isn't there some sort of recourse there? 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.319 There should? The problem is it's the failure of the 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.040 judicial branch, and the judicial branch is not stepping up 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.880 to meet and protect Alex Jones's rights because he's Alex Jones. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.600 So the other dynamic is that there's sort of an 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.160 underlying class conflict in all of this because most of 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:33.280 Jones's supporters are working people. So they may be business people, 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.120 they may be successful people, but they are not the 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:40.320 professional class, the clerical class, the managerial class. They don't 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.520 have a bunch of little letters after their name, like 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.160 we're reinstating old English royalty these days with J D 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.840 or M D. Or pH D and all that jazz. Uh. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.680 But the the the group that doesn't like Jones is 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.640 from that professional managerial class. So Jones has an underrepresented 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.559 as part of his audience. And for people who don't know, 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.000 I mean, this is a man who, according to government, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.960 its own polls, media's own polls, over thirty million Americans 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.320 are are huge fans. That's as many people who vote 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.080 in the Republican presidential primaries to give people an idea. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.360 So that's the scale of his influence, his influences. He 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.440 has been the biggest critic of the deep State of 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.560 anybody in recent American history. He's one of the most 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.800 important populist voices out there. And that's why he's being targeted. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.800 That's why. And there's this mythology, like most people who 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.400 bash Alex Jones remind me the people who bashed Rush 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.600 Limbaugh and I'd be, I'd be. They would describe a caricature, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.040 they would describe someone that's not the person. I'm like, Okay, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.280 you're bashing someone you've actually never watched, you've actually never 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.800 listened to, you've actually never read. If you're gonna bash them, 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.640 at least you know, engage with them. And then come 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.920 up with a determination. Um. But the it's this caricature 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.520 of him. But there's this underlying class conflict where the 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.439 professional class hates him, the status hate him. Uh, the 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.839 working class, the working person, the ordinary felt person, they 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.120 love him. But in the judicial branch, which is making 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.000 all the decisions here, it's it's by definition dominated by 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.960 the professional manager, a real class. So in their little group, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.800 in their little bubble, Alex Jones is almost universally despised, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.720 so they can just ignore the rules. The other scary 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.959 thing is, I mean, this is a trial. These trials 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.520 make Idiocracy's trial look like a beacon of justice. That's 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.000 how bad they are, um in their parodies of parodies. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.800 And the problem is known none of the other judges, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.560 because that's the only people who can put a stop 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.200 to this higher courts. So it's all judges getting to 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.040 decide the ethical conduct of judges, which I've always had 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.400 a problem with. Uh, they're they're all in on it. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.520 I mean that they all want Jones hurt. So there 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.600 were For example, Jones was because he made criticisms of 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.480 a lawyer from his own TV network. Early on in 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.480 the case, the judges said, if you become if you 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.880 are sued, you lose your free speech rights. As to 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.360 that case would never happen. That's directly contrary to U. S. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.840 Supreme Court law. But unless the U. S. Supreme Court 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.960 gets involved, and they almost never do, the other judges 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.240 get away with violating his rights. And if anybody thinks 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.240 they're not planning on using this as a press of it, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.280 that's the mistake. They're using Jones because they know he 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:07.360 has inadequate political protection amongst their colleagues in the professional 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.840 managerial class and the press and in the legal world. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.000 But then they're gonna take that precedent and apply it 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.080 to everyone else. It's what Big Tech did. People may 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.240 not remember when they took down Alex Jones. They lied 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.480 about it. They said, oh, this is limited Alex Jones. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.600 We're not doing this because of his speech. We're limited. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.199 It's certain incidents that occurred. They could never find or 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.000 identify what those incidents were. Very similar. They had like 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.440 a fake trial of their own kind. And then of 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.439 course they said, well later on, well we took out 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.400 Alex Jones for wrong think, we can take out the 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.360 President United States for wrong things. So the they're gonna 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.440 do the same thing here, and that there should be 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.800 remedies at the Court of Appeals. In reality, other than 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.439 the Texas Supreme Court and the U. S. Supreme Court 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.160 and those respective cases, those are the only courts that 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.439 might actually do justice. The problem is they don't have 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.680 to take the case. The judges that do have to 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.160 take the case are willing to violate the rules to 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.600 get at Alex Jones and and doing so, they want 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.640 to establish new rules so they can get it the 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.320 rest of us. So it's almost like these judges have 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.480 it out for him to the kind of past case 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.720 that you're making, um. And if he got another judge 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.079 that was more sympathetic or really want to uphold the 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.720 law regardless of who it's being examined against, maybe he 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.600 could catch a break. But that's not happening. But I 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.760 think what's even more dangerous as to the point you're making, 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.520 is that even though they're ignoring the law, Um, once 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.800 they rule this way, then it sets present, so they're 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.800 almost they're ignoring the law. But then if they rule 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.440 this way, they're actually changing the law. That's exactly right, okay, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:36.880 And it was what they're going at. They wanted to 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.280 show that they could do a modern day show trial 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.480 and get away with it. And they could do it 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.079 as to someone as well known as Alex stand well despised, 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.520 exact and that, and because today he's well despised, tomorrow 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.120 they'll go to the person who's not as well as 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.360 who may who's just well despised by the wrong people. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.240 That they'll continue to escalate in the same way, big technic, 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:58.959 and they'll say, hey, we did this in the Alex 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.920 Jones case, so we can do it to you. So 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.560 they try to find something that has general consensus in 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.760 the community that most people would agree that if this 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.760 guy said mean things about parents losing their kids, everybody 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.199 would agree that's probably not good. And so then they 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.040 take that everybody agrees that, well, let's let's prohibit that 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.480 from happening, and so um everyone Nope, nobody wants to 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.280 stand up for it, and they're just okay, seen it 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.160 happened to this bad guy, um, not realizing that their 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.360 next I guess that's exactly right there, that they're signing 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.600 their own death morn. So so there's there's one one 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.840 when when you're talking about it and I want to 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.360 jump into this later, but just as you're talking about it. Um, 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.880 this big takedown that just happened was this Andrew Tate 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.120 and I was watching part of this interview with Patrick 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.640 back David on Value Tayment, and he was just saying, how, um, look, 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.040 I don't have viewers. I have fans. And the difference 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.640 is my fans will follow me to wherever I go. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.320 They don't just watch me because I'm there. So Alex Jones, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.440 he got wiped off the face of the earth. He's 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.320 still alive and well on his main channel, he still 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.760 has millions of people tuning in regularly. Those were fans, right, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.080 And so Andrew tay said, those are my fans, he said, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.760 and they don't want me standing up and saying these 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.200 things having fans, and he systematically broke down how all 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.440 these things are trying to accuse him of. We're all 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.400 taken out of context from little snippets or whatever. But anyway, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.280 I don't want to jump into that the next thing. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.360 So that's okay. So, so Alex Jones, there's taking something 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.600 that's just general consensus and they're using it to chip 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.680 away at freedom of speech. Then we have this Tornado 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.160 cash and I don't know how much you looked into that. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.400 But Tornado cash is a protocol that allows people to 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:38.160 mix their cryptocurrencies to gain more privacy. Now they say that, well, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.960 criminals uses, terrorists uses, and they could be laundering their 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.000 money and then they're gonna go blow up schools and 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.400 kill a little kids. And of course nobody wants that. Uh, 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.240 I don't I have little kids. I don't want my school, 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.560 my kids school bombed, and so that has general consensus. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.360 We all agree that's bad. But then they try to 0:15:55.400 --> 0:16:00.080 attack this uh protocol, a public utility that's been as 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.480 I understand, three times the Supreme Court has upheld that 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.960 encryption as freedom of speech. So it seems to me 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.080 it's an attack on freedom of speech, oh, no doubt. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.560 And and it's freedom of speech at multiple levels. So 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.320 they've often tried to use the monetary or regulatory angle 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.280 to circumus to limit speech. So that's what Citizens United 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.320 was all about. So, like you look at campaign finance reform, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.960 often campaign finance reform was about making a person get 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:31.400 the consent approval of an elite donor class. Right. If 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.120 if one person can be the sole donor of a campaign, 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.800 then you can run for office. If you don't have 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.960 your own money, and you and un let's say you 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.280 don't have the means of crowdfunding back in the day, 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.920 then uh, with just the support of one percent of 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.720 the economic elite. Right, but if you if everybody's limited 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.640 at what they can contribute, they can require you to 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.240 get the consent of twenty of the economic elite, because 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.440 it's it becomes its own form of donor control of campaigns. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.960 And then one part of this was always how can 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.080 of this happened when money? When you cannot have speech 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.480 if you don't spend money on that speech. Right, I 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.320 got a mike here. If suddenly having a mic means 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.840 I don't get the right to speech because it cost 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.639 me money to have the mic, then all of a 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.560 sudden I lose my right to free speech. Without the 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.640 freedom of payments, there is no freedom, precisely. And so 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.000 currency is power, and the currency is the means by 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.320 which speech is expressed and the means by which speech 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.800 has heard. Which is always important for people to remember 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.520 that what they're trying to do is prohibit our ability 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:36.160 to hear what we choose to hear. And that's part 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.000 of free speech. It's not just the right to speak. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:40.880 It's the right to hear what we want to hear. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.480 Freedom of thought, freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.320 of belief, freedom of religion, freedom of pressed. That's what 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.560 they all come back to, the right for me to 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.119 hear what I want to hear, not the government to 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.840 gate keep it for me. Uh. And so they were 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.200 always going to go after anybody in the crypto space 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.560 that they thought they could mean that's a lot of 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.800 what the sec actions are. They're trying to convert everything 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.600 into a secure transaction as if it's a publicly traded stock, 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.359 when that's a real reach in my view, they've they've 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.520 always to uh expanded the definition of security to reach 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.680 things that were not originally intended in the legislation. I mean, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.040 you see it so many different places. The FDA trying 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.000 to regulate medicine, the U. S d A trying to 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:27.199 regulate little Amish family farmers. Uh. And so the same 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.000 context here is they want to be able to get 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.800 in and restrict your ability to express yourself and have 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.760 meaningful power to have your voice heard and to hear 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.240 what you want to hear by using the disguise that 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:46.600 this is about monetary control of a financial instrument. Yeah, 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.600 so um. And it's also because of encryption. So I 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.960 think it's the encryption that's been upheld as free speech. 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:53.639 It's like it's code. They printed it out, they took 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.199 it to the Supreme Court and they said, yeah, that 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.840 is code. Um. And then also the President that this 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.200 sets too because it's a public utility. So typically people 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.360 are sanctioned or nations are sanctioned. Maybe there's some due 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:09.280 process there where that person could defend themselves maybe, um, 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.280 But we don't have a public utility. So because a 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.480 criminal drove on a road, now we're gonna sanction the road. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.840 Because because the criminal drove in a car, we're gonna 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.680 sanction a car. Because the criminal used a protocol, then 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.439 we're gonna sanction a protocol. What kind of precedent does 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.439 that set? All of it kind of reflects a broader 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.399 principle of what they allow to have, who they allowed 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.560 to give privacy and secrecy to. Right, It's it's always fails, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.600 Like I always get a kick out of the government 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.479 that says any means of privacy or any means of 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.000 secrecy will be the key for criminals to do bad acts. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.679 Yet somehow when it comes to the government privacy and 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:50.280 secrecy or absolute must we they must have things classified, etcetera. 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.320 But I mean, isn't the same government that told us 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:56.680 secrecy equals criminality, privacy equals criminality. So the now we 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.960 it's a good transition. It goes into the Trump case. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.080 So it's like, here you have Trump, but the government 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.800 is asserting that. The deep state is asserting that administrative 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.680 bureaucrats you call it, the national security apparatus, called whatever, 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:14.080 the administ exactly, the administrative state. These are people that 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.400 have only they have no elected constitutional power of their own. 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.959 They're only power comes from the President of the United States. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.560 And yet they are putting the the former president and 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:28.600 likely future president of the United States, under criminal investigation 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.920 because he chose to keep his own documents on the 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:38.040 grounds that they the administrative bureaucracy, the deep state gets 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.480 to gets to decide what is and isn't classified. That 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.280 they decide what isn't isn't a presidential record, that they 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.800 decide what isn't isn't a national security record, that they 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:52.080 get to decide over the president. And it's someone who 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.760 only has power from the president getting to declare they 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.960 have power over the president. It is an attempt to 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.720 not only criminal eyes political disagreement and use criminal law 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:07.320 fare to go after their most critical political adversaries, but 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.720 it's an attempt to usurp our entire constitutional system of 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.119 governance so that they get to decide what the people 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.359 get to hear and see. Because it's the same version 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.280 of it. That's what classification is all about. Who gets 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.520 to hear it, who gets to see it, who gets 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.720 to know it. That's the decision that's supposed to be 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:28.000 made exclusively by the president, by the Constitution and by 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:31.640 prior decisions. Yet they're actually in court arguing that it's 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:33.879 a crime for the president to have it, it's a 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.320 crime for the president to try to declassify it, that they, 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.359 the deep state, get to unilaterally decide what do people 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.920 get to see and hear, even though nobody gave them 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.840 that power, not the people, not the Constitution. I just 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:49.800