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Speaker 1: Hello there, everybody, and welcome to tech Stuff. My name
Speaker 1: is Chris Pollette. I'm an editor here at how stuff
Speaker 1: works dot com and sitting next to me as usual
Speaker 1: as senior writer Jonathan Strijour though, Hey, and uh so
Speaker 1: today we're gonna be talking about bit torrent, yes, which
Speaker 1: has been in the news recently at the time of
Speaker 1: the recording of this podcast because of a tracker site
Speaker 1: called the Pirate Bay, which underwent a trial and got
Speaker 1: a guilty verdict. And uh we'll get into that a
Speaker 1: little bit later. I guess really what we should do first,
Speaker 1: it's kind of just give you guys an explanation of
Speaker 1: what bit torrent is and how it works. Um so,
Speaker 1: really it's it's a file distribution method right, yep. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, it's it's in some ways very
Speaker 1: similar to a lot of other file sharing protocols that
Speaker 1: have been used in the past, like nat Ella and
Speaker 1: the old style napsture. But in other ways, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: in other ways it's not right. So let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: let's take baby steps here. Let's go with the way
Speaker 1: downloading something off the internet usually works in the traditional sense.
Speaker 1: So and the Internet, you know, think of you've got
Speaker 1: your your servers, and you've got your clients. You're using
Speaker 1: a computer that's a client, and you're trying to access
Speaker 1: a file that lives on a server. And so you
Speaker 1: send out a message from your clients saying I want
Speaker 1: this file, and the server responds with oki doki, I'll
Speaker 1: send it all over and starts shooting that file over
Speaker 1: to you in little bity packets. And uh, depending on
Speaker 1: how busy that server is, how busy the the the
Speaker 1: lines are really between your house and that server, uh,
Speaker 1: and several other factors, it may take a really long
Speaker 1: time to download that file. Um. If you don't have
Speaker 1: broadband internet access, it's gonna take a lot longer. If
Speaker 1: you have DSL, that'll take you know, a shorter amount
Speaker 1: of time, and cable generally even shorter um all depends
Speaker 1: on again, your your individual service. At any rate, you're
Speaker 1: downloading that from that one single source, and if anything
Speaker 1: happens to that source while you're downloading, that's gonna put
Speaker 1: a hold on the download. So that's your your traditional method.
Speaker 1: You've got the one source, and you've got a lot
Speaker 1: of different clients all uh contacting that source to get
Speaker 1: hold of that information. That's right, sort of like uh,
Speaker 1: a little while ago, earlier this year, when Microsoft made
Speaker 1: it's a Windows seven beta available for down load, they said, well,
Speaker 1: you have until this time to get your hands on
Speaker 1: the download, and then everybody did and you couldn't get through,
Speaker 1: and it was it was sort of like trying to
Speaker 1: call for a contest line in a radio station busy
Speaker 1: signals saying sorry, we don't have any more of those
Speaker 1: right at the moment. Please wait. That's actually a really
Speaker 1: really apt comparison, which amazes me just as much as
Speaker 1: it amazes all of you. Hey, I'm just kidding. I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding. I'm not feeling well, that's all. I'm just sniping,
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing. Alright, So anyway. The but no,
Speaker 1: that is that is the case. If you could um uh,
Speaker 1: if you had any sort of service where it was
Speaker 1: one server or a bank of servers that all had
Speaker 1: this information on it and that was it, then yeah,
Speaker 1: you can get overloaded very quickly. But file sharing, the
Speaker 1: way this model works is that you have files existing
Speaker 1: on other computers and instead of grabbing the file from
Speaker 1: one single server, you're grabbing bits of the file from
Speaker 1: various other computers, uh and then putting it together on
Speaker 1: your computer. Actually you're not doing this, a client is
Speaker 1: doing this for you. Um and uh. And then ultimately
Speaker 1: you get the file all in one piece and um,
Speaker 1: because you're grabbing bits and pieces from different computers all
Speaker 1: at the same time, you're actually downloading different parts of
Speaker 1: the file uh simultaneously, and you can get that file
Speaker 1: very very quickly ult speaking. Well, yeah, that's true, that's true. Um.
Speaker 1: Of course, with all the file sharing going on right now, um,
Speaker 1: with things like music and movies and TV programs, uh,
Speaker 1: that would make it pretty easy to track you if
Speaker 1: you went by the normal method. I mean, if somebody
Speaker 1: like the r I A A or m P A
Speaker 1: A were wanting to find the source of the downloads
Speaker 1: and and uh come after you with a lawsuit. Um,
Speaker 1: that would make it very easy, which is why some
Speaker 1: of the newer file sharing protocols have sort of helped
Speaker 1: money the waters a little bit by spreading out the downloads. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: you know in a distributed network. Right, so let's say
Speaker 1: you're looking at well, let's let's look at bit torrents specifically.
Speaker 1: Unlike other file sharing services, you're using a a an
Speaker 1: application that is specifically designed to UM download torrents. You've
Speaker 1: you tell it where to find these files, or you
Speaker 1: might have a search engine connected to it, or you
Speaker 1: may go to a torrent tracking site to kind of
Speaker 1: get pointed in the right direction. You select the file
Speaker 1: you want, and then the you know, you're a little
Speaker 1: client does all the rest of the work. Um, you're
Speaker 1: bypassing the whole web browser model. You're not you're not
Speaker 1: downloading that way, and you're You've got two different kinds
Speaker 1: of of sort of a computers I guess you could
Speaker 1: call them, um, that are involved in this system. You've
Speaker 1: got your seeds, which are computers that have the full
Speaker 1: file from start to finish and are making it available
Speaker 1: for download for anyone using this particular service, this a
Speaker 1: bit torrent service. Uh. And then you have peers, which
Speaker 1: are the computers that are attempting to download this file
Speaker 1: and are somewhere along the spectrum of of completion. So
Speaker 1: they may have just started, they may be almost finished,
Speaker 1: but if they don't have the full file, they're just
Speaker 1: appear they're not a seed yet. Now, as you complete
Speaker 1: your download, you can switch from being a peer to
Speaker 1: a seat if you choose, you can. You can say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I got my file. I'm glad I've
Speaker 1: got it, but I'm gonna let other people try and
Speaker 1: get this file for a while too, So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna let it stay active. And Uh. That way people
Speaker 1: can go ahead and grab it and and you know,
Speaker 1: I'll help out people the way people helped me out.
Speaker 1: And and the more people do that, the faster these
Speaker 1: files can can distribute across a network, and it almost
Speaker 1: spreads viral e And Uh, there's nothing illegal about this
Speaker 1: method of file distribution. It's just a way of getting
Speaker 1: information from one computer or really several computers to other computers.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong about that. There are problems when people
Speaker 1: use this to distribute material that's under copyright. Oh, we're
Speaker 1: back to that. Well, eventually, we're gonna have to get
Speaker 1: back to it. We don't have to go right to
Speaker 1: it right at this moment. But but a lot of
Speaker 1: people assume that bit torrent equals illegal, and that is
Speaker 1: not the case. There are plenty of legitimate uses for
Speaker 1: bit torrent that are completely legal. Has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the way bit torrent works. It has to do
Speaker 1: with the way people use bit torrent. So if you're
Speaker 1: using it to distribute, say I don't know, like an
Speaker 1: operating system that you've designed that if you you want
Speaker 1: to get out there in the world, that's perfectly fine,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. If you want to use
Speaker 1: it to distribute I don't know, spore that that's wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think e A would be very thrilled with you,
Speaker 1: So you should not do that. And the thing is, um,
Speaker 1: you know, people have come down on people who create
Speaker 1: file sharing protocols because they say, well, you are causing
Speaker 1: software piracy or you know, other kinds of piracy, and uh,
Speaker 1: that's in this case, it's just a more efficient distribution method.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, just because the file is
Speaker 1: available somewhere doesn't mean that the torrent sites are necessarily uh,
Speaker 1: they're they're providing access to it, but they're not providing
Speaker 1: the files themselves, which is sort of a gray area
Speaker 1: as some people feel. Yeah, we'll get into that with
Speaker 1: the Pirate Bay in a minute, um, which I'll have
Speaker 1: a few things to say. Really, I find it hard
Speaker 1: to believe that you have a strong opinion. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of difficult to imagine, right, Um, but we'll get
Speaker 1: to that. So, so getting back to this distribution thing. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why this is such a good
Speaker 1: idea when you're trying to distribute large files across the
Speaker 1: network is that you may notice when you use the
Speaker 1: Internet that there's a different You have a differ and
Speaker 1: rate of data transfer speeds between uploading and downloading. Usually
Speaker 1: your upload speed is a fraction of what your download
Speaker 1: speed is, So you may be able to download things
Speaker 1: lightning fast, but you know when you're trying to upload
Speaker 1: something it takes a while longer. Well, if you're trying
Speaker 1: to upload a really large vial, obviously that's going to
Speaker 1: take even longer than that. If you have a lot
Speaker 1: of different computers all providing uploads of this information at
Speaker 1: the same time, it cuts down on that because I
Speaker 1: mean otherwise, what you would have is if someone were
Speaker 1: trying to download the file, they'd only be able to
Speaker 1: go as fast as you could upload. Right. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's you. They would be no matter how fast their
Speaker 1: download speed was, they'd be limited by how fast you
Speaker 1: could upload the information. That's right. That's that's called an
Speaker 1: asymmetrical connection. And that's where the A and A D
Speaker 1: s L comes from. Right, if you've ever been curious, um,
Speaker 1: And that's pretty much the standard model for most consumer
Speaker 1: uh internet access right now. I mean, if you are
Speaker 1: a large company, you'd have a T three or something
Speaker 1: even faster probably um, and you know, your speeds would
Speaker 1: be more symmetrical. That's that's sort of a typical home
Speaker 1: connection right there. Right. And and so when you know,
Speaker 1: since we're talking about lots of people just using regular
Speaker 1: computers to distribute these files as opposed to you know,
Speaker 1: servers that you would find in like a data center
Speaker 1: or something, uh, chances are you'd run into that asymmetric model.
Speaker 1: And so with you, when you have more computers operating
Speaker 1: using you know, making these files available, you get around
Speaker 1: those low upload speeds because you're taking bits and pieces
Speaker 1: from lots of different computers, so it kind of balances
Speaker 1: out that that, you know that upload speed um without it,
Speaker 1: transferring big files would take forever. So it is a
Speaker 1: good idea. It's just that people have been using it
Speaker 1: for nefarious purposes, which is of course cast a kind
Speaker 1: of shadow over the entire format um, which is really
Speaker 1: unfortunate because there's nothing like, you know, a few bad apples,
Speaker 1: or in the case of bit Torrent, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: lots and lots of them ruining something that's really innovative
Speaker 1: and useful. You know, this definitely has a place on
Speaker 1: the Internet, and unfortunately most people associate with something that's legal.
Speaker 1: So now you have to get over that hump in
Speaker 1: order to be able to say this is really a
Speaker 1: legitimate way of getting information from from these computers to
Speaker 1: other computers. Well, I mean, if you think about it
Speaker 1: in a completely different way, um, you know, something like
Speaker 1: using net which has been around forever and ever and ever. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a great way to have, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: constructive conversations, to share different hobbies and things. They're they're
Speaker 1: great for message boards, but then now they've become storehouses
Speaker 1: for wares, you know, cracked computer software, and um, you
Speaker 1: know as a result. I remember the day that I
Speaker 1: heard that my Internet service provider was going to start
Speaker 1: metering the amount of time you could spend on using
Speaker 1: net and the amount of information you could share. And
Speaker 1: I thought, why using net? I mean, people don't really
Speaker 1: use using net anymore for for message boards. Well, as
Speaker 1: it turns out they do, and they're using it for
Speaker 1: all kinds of other things. So it's it's another technology
Speaker 1: that's you know, really neat for you know, one thing,
Speaker 1: but can be misused for other purposes. And you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as they do, you know, they find out
Speaker 1: and start cracking down on it. And bit to warrent
Speaker 1: is just probably the one of the latest and more
Speaker 1: famous examples of those kinds of technology, you know, that
Speaker 1: can be misused, and you know, people come down on
Speaker 1: the in this case the bit torrent folks for enabling
Speaker 1: other people to share files and and not just yeah,
Speaker 1: and and not just from a copyright standpoint either. Um.
Speaker 1: We've also seen I s p s come down on
Speaker 1: people using bit torrent clients or to uh you know,
Speaker 1: the the big famous cases Comcast throttling customers download speeds
Speaker 1: when trying to use bit torrent um. You could argue,
Speaker 1: I assume that some of the the like m P
Speaker 1: A A and r I double A would price say, uh,
Speaker 1: this is not you know, thrawlings necessary, so we can
Speaker 1: we can discourage piracy. But again, as we pointed out,
Speaker 1: you can use bit torrent legally to distribute files. If
Speaker 1: Comcast throttles, you know, the torrent files, uh wants to say,
Speaker 1: like it could be a completely legitimate use for that.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly the whole purpose of this this model,
Speaker 1: which is to make the the process much more smooth
Speaker 1: and fast, it's invalidated because you've just put the brakes
Speaker 1: on the system. So um, yeah, there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of there are a lot of people who don't really
Speaker 1: care for the distribution method. But it's not the users,
Speaker 1: it's everybody else. Well, okay, so take yourself out of
Speaker 1: the consumer shoes and put yourself on the shoes at
Speaker 1: the I s P. Let me, let me twirl my
Speaker 1: mustache and uh and and tie someone to the railroad tracks. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in the mindset right, So you're kind asked and
Speaker 1: you're throttling bandwidth or or like, uh, you know those
Speaker 1: two blog posts that I wrote not too long ago
Speaker 1: about Time Warner thinking about capping bandwidth uh per month.
Speaker 1: You know they their claim when they do things like
Speaker 1: that is that they're trying to manage their network better.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, say you're using bit torrent for
Speaker 1: something completely legit. You know, every file you upload or
Speaker 1: download is completely on the level, there's nothing illegal about it.
Speaker 1: But from your I s P s perspective, dude, you're
Speaker 1: really using a lot of bandwidth. Um, that's the amount
Speaker 1: of information you're sending, by the way, not to be
Speaker 1: jargon e. So you know they have a depending on
Speaker 1: how you look at it, legitimate and you know, legitimate
Speaker 1: reason for wanting or you know, for being concerned about
Speaker 1: the amount of traffic going over their network because um,
Speaker 1: for example, if you're a cable user, everybody in your
Speaker 1: neighborhood who is also a cable user, you're using part
Speaker 1: of their bandwidth. So if you are using way more
Speaker 1: than everybody else, you're slowing their connection down. Um. So
Speaker 1: if you're on that kind of a can action, your
Speaker 1: I s P may actually have a vested interest in keeping,
Speaker 1: you know, keeping you from using a whole lot of bandwidth,
Speaker 1: whether it's by throttling it, or by setting a cap
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, look, fella, you're using a whole lot
Speaker 1: of information here, can you tone it down. If you don't,
Speaker 1: we're going to charge you for it. So, I mean they,
Speaker 1: you know, I could see why they might say that.
Speaker 1: Of course, you might also say that they're being very greedy.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they you know, it's their network. I
Speaker 1: have no way of knowing how much traffic is going
Speaker 1: over it for real or not. But um, that that's
Speaker 1: their reason for that's their stated reason for wanting to
Speaker 1: slow people down. Yeah. I know quite a few people
Speaker 1: who would call shenanigans. You know, like I said, I
Speaker 1: don't have I don't have a a window. You can
Speaker 1: defend them all you like, Pallette, I mean, we know
Speaker 1: that you're a corporate puppet. Of course. Um, no, seriously,
Speaker 1: the no, you have a good point. Um, there could
Speaker 1: very well be that there there are bandwidth issues, especially
Speaker 1: when you get to the last mile problem. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: you get into the like the neighborhood level of of
Speaker 1: of bandwidth. Um, it could be that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: two people using bit torrent to download huge files could
Speaker 1: really impact the experience of an entire neighborhood I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it is possible for that to happen. Well, we're
Speaker 1: not in one of those countries where we pay five
Speaker 1: dollars a month and get a hundred megabit per second DSL.
Speaker 1: Not yet. We're kind of hoping for the new CTO
Speaker 1: and the c I O to kind of help change that. No,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna matter actually that. But yeah, some people
Speaker 1: would also argue that this is really just a case
Speaker 1: of saying, you know, a clear illustration that the I
Speaker 1: s p s need to UM to solve the last
Speaker 1: mile problem and to find a way to get those uh,
Speaker 1: those faster connections to you know it, maybe running fiber
Speaker 1: to the home UM instead of just to whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: the trunk or whatever. UM, then maybe we would not
Speaker 1: have to worry so much about this band with issue,
Speaker 1: and then we could see if it really is a
Speaker 1: bandwidth problem or if it's just a hey, how can
Speaker 1: we monetize this issue? UM, I know which side I'm
Speaker 1: betting on. I won't go into it. So I guess
Speaker 1: this eventually brings us around to the tracker sites. UM.
Speaker 1: These are the sites that that are like search engines
Speaker 1: for torrents, and UM they discover torrents, and they track
Speaker 1: them and they allow users to uh to tap into them,
Speaker 1: and but they don't host anything themselves. They're just it's
Speaker 1: just kind of like a very specialized Google, but it's
Speaker 1: meant for torrents. Right. So you have a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of these out on the Internet. There's like is a
Speaker 1: hunt and all tons and tons. But the one that
Speaker 1: got into the news most recently was the Pirate Bay. Now,
Speaker 1: the Pirate Bay by its very name suggests some nefarious
Speaker 1: behavior that that is, uh, that is some maybe negative marketing.
Speaker 1: I would definitely argue that the Pirate Bay founders brought
Speaker 1: an awful lot of the the problems they faced on
Speaker 1: themselves by their attitude, by the way they marketed themselves,
Speaker 1: by the very name of the site they created. Um,
Speaker 1: you can't really get around the fact that, you know,
Speaker 1: they were they were promoting a certain kind of behavior. Uh.
Speaker 1: They still didn't host anything that was under a copyright
Speaker 1: on their own site, they just linked to it. Uh. However,
Speaker 1: there were charges brought against the four founders of the
Speaker 1: Pirate Bay. Um. And by the way, the Pirate Base
Speaker 1: uh servers are in Sweden, and so as the Swedish
Speaker 1: courts that prosecuted the founders, and uh, the two main
Speaker 1: charges that were brought against them were copyright infringement and
Speaker 1: assisting copyright infringement. Now, after the opening statement of the
Speaker 1: Pirate Base lawyer, the the prosecution dropped the copyright infringement
Speaker 1: charge because it was clear that there was no way
Speaker 1: to really get them on that they didn't host the material, um,
Speaker 1: so they couldn't be directly responsible. However, the assisting copyright
Speaker 1: infringement charge stuck. It went all the way to trial,
Speaker 1: went all the way through, and they got a guilty verdict.
Speaker 1: The four founders were sentenced to a year in prison
Speaker 1: and three point five nine million dollars US in damages
Speaker 1: two companies like Warner Brothers, which you know obviously are
Speaker 1: hurting for money. Um. That was just a snide comment.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the here's the issue as I see it. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Pirate Bay promoted uh this kind of behavior, um,
Speaker 1: which maybe that that was all it took to really
Speaker 1: push them over to the assisting copyright infringement section. Well,
Speaker 1: they didn't tell you where to go. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: the problem is that any search engine will tell you
Speaker 1: where to go. So let's say you go to a
Speaker 1: quote unquote legitimate torrent trackings. Let's say we go to
Speaker 1: one that is not meant specifically to allow people to
Speaker 1: to UH distribute copyright right material across the network. Um,
Speaker 1: some people still do that, right, So you've got people
Speaker 1: who are doing you who are using the system specifically
Speaker 1: to get access to material they do not legally have
Speaker 1: the right to own. Um. But that's not the purpose
Speaker 1: of the site. Now, if the courts would still pronounce
Speaker 1: those companies guilty, I have a major problem. And the
Speaker 1: reason is because essentially you are saying that by linking
Speaker 1: to material that's under copyright, you are assisting copyright infringement.
Speaker 1: But everybody links at some point or another to something
Speaker 1: that could be infringing on a copyright and it's because
Speaker 1: you have really no control over you know, once you
Speaker 1: link to someone, you have no real control over what's
Speaker 1: on that site. They could change it. They could change
Speaker 1: it as soon as you linked. Would they could change it,
Speaker 1: you know, a year down the road and it or
Speaker 1: it could be that, you know, you see this great
Speaker 1: article and like you know, we often linked to UH
Speaker 1: to outside sources, to to other articles things like that.
Speaker 1: If someone were to use an image, for example, and
Speaker 1: they did not have the express permission or the legal
Speaker 1: right to use that image. Would that mean that we
Speaker 1: would be liable because we assisted in copyright infringement? After all,
Speaker 1: if we linked to that site, theoretically we were helping
Speaker 1: drive traffic to that site, you know. And then you think, okay,
Speaker 1: well that would mean that search engines like Google, Could
Speaker 1: they be liable because if you type in any sort
Speaker 1: of real search term, I guarantee use one of those
Speaker 1: search results somewhere down the line is going to link
Speaker 1: to something that's going to infringe on copyright in some
Speaker 1: way or another. Would Google be liable because they're again
Speaker 1: allowing traffic to get to this material. You can basically
Speaker 1: prosecute just about everybody on the Internet. Yeah. And the
Speaker 1: ultimate result of this, I mean, I don't think it
Speaker 1: will ever go this far. This is kind of dragging
Speaker 1: it to the ultimate conclusion is that everyone would be
Speaker 1: afraid to link to everyone else, so everything would remain
Speaker 1: internal and instead of a web you would have a
Speaker 1: series of columns. Every website would be a column and
Speaker 1: you could find pages within that column, but there was
Speaker 1: no way for you to get from that website to
Speaker 1: another website because that other website might have copyright material
Speaker 1: on it, sure, and that that would be the slippery
Speaker 1: slope in this case. Yeah, so that that's my rant. Okay,
Speaker 1: you did a great job. Now, granted again, Pirate Bay
Speaker 1: guys didn't do themselves any favors. They made it really
Speaker 1: really easy for a court to go after them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they kind of flaunted their their intentions, I think. Yeah. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean it remains to be seen if this goes
Speaker 1: any further than that. Um, well, we'll just have to
Speaker 1: wait and see. But the technology itself is is really
Speaker 1: very a very elegant way to handle the problem of
Speaker 1: how to download large files, especially over slower networks or
Speaker 1: or networks with slower pieces in them, since we're all
Speaker 1: running at different speeds on this on this network. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a great I think it is a
Speaker 1: great method. It just you just gotta look out for
Speaker 1: the people who are using it for the wrong reasons. Yep, yep,
Speaker 1: pretty much like every other piece of technology ever invented.
Speaker 1: I'm done. Do you have anything else? No, I don't
Speaker 1: really have anything else that well, I guess that that
Speaker 1: brings us around to uh, listener Maid I wasn't expecting that.
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