Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always going back for
Speaker 1: seconds and thirds.
Speaker 2: That's right, a trio of games on this Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal in my garage, joined for the first
Speaker 1: time by ed Intercontinental Thanksgiving guests. Yes, it's Will Gavin.
Speaker 1: It's already Friday in the UK. Will Gavin from Talk Sport.
Speaker 1: If you listen to what some people called the most
Speaker 1: insane recap of the year back in week six, Thank
Speaker 1: you for staying up early or late whatever it is,
Speaker 1: Will and talking.
Speaker 2: About these games with me.
Speaker 3: H No, absolutely love it. Thanks for having me. I
Speaker 3: do feel like mentioning going up for seconds or thirds
Speaker 3: feels like a direct shot at me before we've even
Speaker 3: seen Oh, but you know I can take it on
Speaker 3: the chin and that's fine.
Speaker 1: No, it is absolutely not. It's what I did tonight.
Speaker 1: And we just had a lot of great bread products.
Speaker 1: I think we overloaded, which you gotta have. But we
Speaker 1: have two different types of cornbread because Todter wanted to
Speaker 1: make one. Then we had some biscuits and just like
Speaker 1: I did not feel well a couple hours ago, but
Speaker 1: I feel better now. We have three fun games to
Speaker 1: talk about, maybe at the very end, but we'll talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about our Thanksgiving. I'm curious what
Speaker 1: it's like to be a Brett watching these games. But first,
Speaker 1: let let's start with the night game, because maybe it
Speaker 1: wasn't the best game of the day, but I think
Speaker 1: it's the most important to.
Speaker 4: Lamba loving the shotgown of the setback John Jacobs to
Speaker 4: his right, snamp get fake to Jacob's quick toss, green upside,
Speaker 4: quick to touch a shown Benjup touchdown Shaden Reid his
Speaker 4: second touchdown of the life.
Speaker 2: It's twenty to three the Green Bay. Yes, Jaden Reid
Speaker 2: getting it done.
Speaker 1: He just dial up all the best plays for Jaden
Speaker 1: that got it to twenty one to three. In the
Speaker 1: second half, the Packers go on to win thirty to seventeen.
Speaker 1: That was Wayne Larvie, of course from wrn W in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Packers get that big lead. And maybe I'll
Speaker 1: just start with read because as I was watching this game,
Speaker 1: will I had a theory and it's like Jaden Reid
Speaker 1: is Matt Lafleur's muse. He always comes up with the
Speaker 1: good stuff for and Jaden Reid always executed it. They
Speaker 1: showed a stat that Jade Reid now has as many
Speaker 1: touchdowns or more than any Packer in history in his
Speaker 1: first two years as a receiver. And you think of
Speaker 1: that touchdown, beautiful blocking. The receivers do a great job
Speaker 1: blocking all season long. They get read into the end
Speaker 1: zone on a nice swing pass and they have another
Speaker 1: the first read touchdown on a play where he makes
Speaker 1: it like he's run blocking for a couple of seconds.
Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd call it trickery, but very creative,
Speaker 1: and then he spins out and Love puts it perfect
Speaker 1: time in for that touchdown.
Speaker 2: Reid had a nice run earlier in the game.
Speaker 1: And I know that's not the biggest, big picture take here,
Speaker 1: but Matt Lafleur always seems to know how to use
Speaker 1: Jaden Reid in such a way to make him at
Speaker 1: his best, and that's kind of Lafleur's magic with his
Speaker 1: entire team.
Speaker 2: This offense was humming tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, just two catches in that first half, but
Speaker 3: both of them touchdowns. And you mentioned the blocking down field.
Speaker 3: Do you do you feel like this is a receiving
Speaker 3: corps and an entire Packers offense that finally starting to
Speaker 3: look like it actually has a real identity over the
Speaker 3: last couple of games. I A lot of that is
Speaker 3: to do with the rushing, and a lot of that
Speaker 3: is to do with Josh Jacobs. I'm sure we'll come
Speaker 3: on too. But Jaden Reid I went into the season
Speaker 3: being very doubtful, and it was very much like a
Speaker 3: fantasy thing where people are taking him mid rounds, even
Speaker 3: earlier rounds. I'm like, okay, so this guy was good
Speaker 3: last year, but he had what twelve plus touchdowns. That's
Speaker 3: if you're just relying on that, that's never going to happen.
Speaker 3: But he is a guy who can have two catches
Speaker 3: and just two touchdowns A partly that was horribly wrong.
Speaker 3: He did have the great end a round play as well,
Speaker 3: that twenty three yard on the ground, which really helped
Speaker 3: boosts he's night. But it's amazing you come out of
Speaker 3: this game talking about him despite the facts that what
Speaker 3: just three catches for twenty four yards plus.
Speaker 2: That he's what your guy Devo used to be.
Speaker 1: Not to bring up any sort of subjects for a
Speaker 1: forty nine ers fans, but he really reminds me of him. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he's a lot lighter in a different style of player,
Speaker 1: but there aren't that many players that can impact a
Speaker 1: game like Jayden Reid does on special design plays and
Speaker 1: like you said, have four touches tonight, two for touchdowns
Speaker 1: and one that run was the best run that anyone
Speaker 1: had all night, just in terms of pure talent. Now,
Speaker 1: my theory is that Jane Reid is Matt Lafleur's muse.
Speaker 1: He always comes up with the good stuff for Jayden Reid.
Speaker 1: Christian Watson, on the other hand, I believe is Jordan
Speaker 1: loves muse because two catches for Christian Watson tonight.
Speaker 2: That's it on four targets.
Speaker 1: But those two throw those were absolutely incredible by Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: The deep one down the sideline that just shows off
Speaker 1: Love's arm strength and then another key one on the
Speaker 1: drive late in the second quarter that helps set them
Speaker 1: up into a tight window that the turkey shot that
Speaker 1: John Gruden used to talk about between the zone, the
Speaker 1: deep defender and the underneath. And Jordan Love always seems
Speaker 1: to make his best passes to Christian Watson. Watson doesn't
Speaker 1: always catch him. There was probably a PI on a
Speaker 1: late target that they didn't give to the Packers, but
Speaker 1: it kind of shows off what Love can do. And
Speaker 1: it's just this group of players that are very cohesive.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, they have an identity. Even on
Speaker 1: a night where they didn't have Romeo Dobbs on the field,
Speaker 1: they had more than enough with Tucker Craft and those
Speaker 1: two receivers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that deep shot on the third and sixth in
Speaker 3: the third quarter away hitting down that right hand sideline
Speaker 3: was not it was it like a proper bulls. He
Speaker 3: play cool. The way he steps up in the pocket,
Speaker 3: the way he kept calm as it was collapsing around
Speaker 3: him and just absolutely hit Watson stride was sensational. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned the defense passing in France because
Speaker 3: what a dreadful cool that was. And Matt Lafloor made
Speaker 3: it clear. I love that when you're up by like
Speaker 3: three clear scores, you still want Matt Lafloor on the sideline,
Speaker 3: giving the referees just that much stake was looking.
Speaker 2: No, because that was his moment. That was Lafleur moment.
Speaker 1: And so if you didn't watch the game and you're
Speaker 1: tuning in on Friday to listen to this, thank you
Speaker 1: very much.
Speaker 2: We love you.
Speaker 1: It's thirty to seventeen, and yes the game seems all
Speaker 1: but over. It's two minutes and ten seconds left, probably
Speaker 1: when they snapped that ball something like that, but they're
Speaker 1: going for the kill shot. Almost anyone going into the
Speaker 1: two minute warning is just going to run the ball
Speaker 1: there and punt and try to kill the clock or whatever.
Speaker 1: Maybe you'd throw a short pass, but they're like, we've
Speaker 1: got this howitzer, that's just this thing of beauty.
Speaker 2: Let's take our.
Speaker 1: Shot right now and give the fans something fun to
Speaker 1: leave and stick it to our old friend Mike McDaniels.
Speaker 1: I love coaches like that, Like Matt Lafleur was gonna
Speaker 1: let his players have some fun.
Speaker 2: It didn't work, but it was worth it. I'd get
Speaker 2: mad too. I did.
Speaker 3: I did thoroughly enjoy. And when I say thoroughly enjoy,
Speaker 3: I mean that with as much dripping British sarcasm as
Speaker 3: humanly possible, because I didn't enjoy much that Jason Garrett
Speaker 3: did on co Coms tonight, but I did. I did
Speaker 3: love him when Saran Neil came across and contacted him
Speaker 3: horribly early for one of the most obvious defensive past inferience,
Speaker 3: like it was textbook. It was like teaching tape past
Speaker 3: interference for officials and he kind of went, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: did maybe get there a little earlier. That's just like,
Speaker 3: what else.
Speaker 2: Didn't you like about Garrett?
Speaker 1: I have a lot to get to with this game,
Speaker 1: because what a what a no show for the Dolphins
Speaker 1: in a big spot, and we're going to get to
Speaker 1: that while we're giving the Packers some credit after tap.
Speaker 1: But what didn't you like about Jason Garrett?
Speaker 3: I think after three hours of Tom Brady just hating life,
Speaker 3: of watching one of the worst quarterback matchups we've had
Speaker 3: in the NFL this season, but doing it with a
Speaker 3: lot of fun, I just needed Jason Garrett to be
Speaker 3: just in a bit of fun, thanksgiving more or to
Speaker 3: just give us the tiniest bit of insight. But what
Speaker 3: he did on almost every play was took exactly what
Speaker 3: you know the comms said and just repeated it in
Speaker 3: a more flowery way, like not once did we sear
Speaker 3: anything that was like actually delivering you anything that you learned,
Speaker 3: Like this is a guy who was a head coach
Speaker 3: in the NFL for many years and just gave us
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing about the game management, absolutely nothing about the
Speaker 3: play design, absolutely and I just I did I found
Speaker 3: it tough love. I'm not gonna love it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep Will up till four in the morning, Like,
Speaker 2: give him something, give them something. I liked the cutting
Speaker 2: criticism here.
Speaker 3: Can I just say that there there's one other Christian
Speaker 3: Watson play as well. I wanted to highlight. It was
Speaker 3: early on in the game and it was still a
Speaker 3: single score where Dantavian Wicks had a horrendous drop and
Speaker 3: Christian Watson went full defensive back to stop the tipball interception,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, it was just one of those
Speaker 3: plays that it doesn't show up on the box score,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't show up in a two score win
Speaker 3: late on, people don't pay attention to it later. But
Speaker 3: it just told me a lot about the way that
Speaker 3: this offense has coached, about the way that they're always
Speaker 3: never giving up on plays, about we talked about it,
Speaker 3: the way the receivers block down field. It just said
Speaker 3: to me, like, this is an offense that isn't going
Speaker 3: to switch off. And I don't know, I've not really
Speaker 3: been excited about the Packers before tonight, and now I
Speaker 3: kind of feel like, even on the road in the playoffs,
Speaker 3: I'd fancy them to have a chance against even the
Speaker 3: best teams in the conference. So yeah, I'm getting on
Speaker 3: the Packers hype train a little bit after.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't think the Packers have played to
Speaker 1: their potential. They haven't played many complete games. This was
Speaker 1: one of their best games of the season. But I
Speaker 1: have been excited to watch them because Love he is
Speaker 1: a roller coaster. Now this is two straight games for
Speaker 1: him without a interception, and he had one in every
Speaker 1: game before this, so that's a positive sign. Their running
Speaker 1: game is so dynamic, so diverse, and it really didn't
Speaker 1: get going today. Josh Jacobs talked about it afterwards. He
Speaker 1: was held a forty three yards on the ground on
Speaker 1: nineteen carries had the big reception that we'll mention in
Speaker 1: a minute.
Speaker 2: But Chris Brooks had some runs. Emanuel Wilson had some runs.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest plays of the game, actually, I
Speaker 1: thought was they trusted their running game enough to hand
Speaker 1: it off to Emmanuel Wilson, who's been great this year.
Speaker 1: On a third and four outside the twenty yard line.
Speaker 1: I think the score was seven to three, and he
Speaker 1: runs that thing all the way inside the ten. And
Speaker 1: they can just they can run power, they can run duo,
Speaker 1: they can run zone they can.
Speaker 2: Do it all. They're very cohesive. It's a good offensive line.
Speaker 1: And that kind of brings me to my criticism of
Speaker 1: the Dolphins here, and I got some more love for
Speaker 1: the Packers, but.
Speaker 2: You're not beating the allegations Dolphins, like.
Speaker 3: This is it.
Speaker 2: This is the same thing. We just keep saying the
Speaker 2: same thing, and their fans are like, well, it's not fair.
Speaker 2: It's not fair like this, that and the other, and
Speaker 2: it's just the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's not a narrative that they play worse late in
Speaker 1: the season or that they can't play in the cold.
Speaker 2: It's just the facts.
Speaker 1: And maybe they'll play better down the stretch here because
Speaker 1: they have a good schedule, and they certainly were playing
Speaker 1: well into this game coming into this game, but their
Speaker 1: pass rush lost repeatedly tonight, did not bother Jordan Love
Speaker 1: at all. Jordan Loves struggled against pressure all season long.
Speaker 1: His numbers actually were pretty good. I checked next Sense.
Speaker 1: That's four for five for thirty eight yards and a
Speaker 1: touchdown tonight. But the key number there is five, Like
Speaker 1: he was barely pressured at all. So that's showing a
Speaker 1: lack of toughness there. You can't run the ball this
Speaker 1: was a Dolphins team that was able to run the ball,
Speaker 1: and they just can't. And the key sequence to me
Speaker 1: will in the entire game is their down two scores
Speaker 1: twenty seven to eleven, and they get the ball down
Speaker 1: to the one yard line after an eight yard run
Speaker 1: to get it there. They get stuffed on second down,
Speaker 1: and then McDaniel gives up on trying to run. They
Speaker 1: were inside the one yard line two straight plays. They
Speaker 1: run these kind of crossers that they're known to run
Speaker 1: for it and the defense is absolutely ready for it,
Speaker 1: and their offensive line loses pretty quickly on both plays,
Speaker 1: and Green Bay knew what was coming because this is
Speaker 1: a team that loves to run those players on the
Speaker 1: goal line. And this is the exact same thing that
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two and twenty three Dolphins had trouble with,
Speaker 1: Like they couldn't run in short yardage in big situations,
Speaker 1: and that's got to be so frustrating as the snow
Speaker 1: is falling down that they're just kind of living up
Speaker 1: to what everyone has said about them in the last
Speaker 1: couple of years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was a bit of a weird
Speaker 3: second half from the Packers defense in terms of that
Speaker 3: they softened up a lot in the middle of the field.
Speaker 3: But the touchdown drive just before that, and then the
Speaker 3: drive that you're talking about that went down to the
Speaker 3: one yard line. Two it goes eleven or twelve over
Speaker 3: the course of those two drives, first one eight place
Speaker 3: seventy yards, that second one twelve plays seventy seven yards,
Speaker 3: and you're thinking, oh, this is actually a bit of
Speaker 3: offense from the Dolphins. We're starting to see them, you know,
Speaker 3: Jellen Wardle made a couple of catches, tyreek Hill finally
Speaker 3: started warming into the game a little bit. Johnny Smith
Speaker 3: was by far their most targeted guy on the day,
Speaker 3: and you got into that short yarded situation and they
Speaker 3: kind of they threatened on that play like a quarterback
Speaker 3: keeper with alec Ingold running across the formation and then
Speaker 3: just I don't know, I don't know whether it was
Speaker 3: the offensive line collapsing. I don't know if it's just
Speaker 3: the way that Green Bay read it. I thought it
Speaker 3: was a brilliant play from kuway Walker, who also had
Speaker 3: a big pressure on the third down as well, and
Speaker 3: I thought it was one of the real bright spots
Speaker 3: of that Green Bay defense all day. But you're right,
Speaker 3: It's just it's been amazing this year to watch guys
Speaker 3: from that same tree. And I think you've had the
Speaker 3: same problems with Shanahan, the same problems with McVeigh. Just
Speaker 3: absolutely lose all creativity and lock up when they get
Speaker 3: in the red zone, Like I don't understand how they
Speaker 3: haven't developed this brilliant array. Like even if you just
Speaker 3: do something really simple there with too, like run a
Speaker 3: naked boot, try and open up one side of the field,
Speaker 3: have a couple of guys in the end zone who
Speaker 3: might get open, you've got more chance of completing it
Speaker 3: than just that bizarre mishmash of two three different plays
Speaker 3: that they tried to run and just failed miserably and
Speaker 3: ended up with the sack. So there was a little
Speaker 3: brief moment there. It was like three point thirty in
Speaker 3: the UK. At that point, I'm like, right, we've got
Speaker 3: a game on our hands.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 3: And then they fail on that on that conversion, and
Speaker 3: it's the normal time where I would turn the TV
Speaker 3: off on the highlights.
Speaker 1: Like actually, I'm not gonna apologize. We're having fun and
Speaker 1: look at this pace. This is gonna be a long one,
Speaker 1: and look I get it. Tuas playing great. I came
Speaker 1: into this game saying Tua is gonna be on QB Island.
Speaker 1: He ended up throwing for three hundred and sixty five
Speaker 1: yards and two touchdowns in this game. I say thank
Speaker 1: you to Tua as a representative for all his fantasy owners.
Speaker 1: You've been beautiful the last three weeks. Like yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: keeping Kyler Murray on the bench for you and you're
Speaker 1: coming through. It's not that he's playing poorly, but tonight
Speaker 1: the running game Moster goes five for nineteen eight, Chan
Speaker 1: goes seven for fourteen. They're one of the worst running
Speaker 1: teams in the league. And that is such a difference.
Speaker 1: But between the last couple of years and this year
Speaker 1: and Mike McDaniel, that's where he made his bones, and
Speaker 1: that's where I think the lack of talent on the
Speaker 1: offensive line comes through. And for one of the first
Speaker 1: times all season, their pass protection, at least on a
Speaker 1: couple key plays didn't come through either. It wasn't terrible
Speaker 1: all night, but there was the play in the first
Speaker 1: half where Armstead didn't get out of his stance and
Speaker 1: ending Bari got a sack. That was actually back to
Speaker 1: back plays with the sack and they had just enough failures.
Speaker 1: They have such little margin for error. Will I think
Speaker 1: that's what gets me. I've been enjoying this Dolphins team
Speaker 1: and I wanted them to win this game to maybe
Speaker 1: go on rund because they're five and seven now. They
Speaker 1: have to win out basically to have a chance, and
Speaker 1: they have a schedule that you could win out against.
Speaker 1: But that's a tough askt at five and seven, I
Speaker 1: don't think they can do it. They have such a
Speaker 1: small margin for error. They don't really run the ball well,
Speaker 1: and they don't throw the ball vertically anymore. So they're
Speaker 1: they're probably the best in the league at everything else
Speaker 1: at throwing the bar short essentially, like they are the
Speaker 1: best at the bar heeling and the timing and are
Speaker 1: that like number one. But it's just hard to keep
Speaker 1: winning with no verticality and no running game. That's a
Speaker 1: tough carbonation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really glad you mentioned the verticality because it's
Speaker 3: exactly like like Devin a Han had a great game
Speaker 3: in the receiving today, as much as they didn't run
Speaker 3: the ball well, he was eight of fifty six with
Speaker 3: the touchdown as well. We haven't got the a dot
Speaker 3: on his targets yet, but I bet that it's about
Speaker 3: two yards because it was all checkdowns that he did
Speaker 3: something phenomenal on on the back end, and they were
Speaker 3: well designed and it was the right choice of tour
Speaker 3: to take the check down checkdowns like this this dirty word.
Speaker 3: But anyone who like you and I loves Philip Rivers
Speaker 3: as much as we do, know that checkdown offense is
Speaker 3: a legitimate offense, and it can get you yardage and
Speaker 3: it can win new games like it almost did for
Speaker 3: them today. But the big question that I saw all
Speaker 3: across social media and I want to ask you about,
Speaker 3: is what's going on with Tyreek Hill? Like he had
Speaker 3: some inflated stats in the end in this game, like
Speaker 3: they had. He had the catch at the end of
Speaker 3: the on the comeback, which he slips on it, and
Speaker 3: so many times in the past, hundred of times in
Speaker 3: the past, we've seen him on that kind of catch,
Speaker 3: turn up field, break a tackle, make a guy miss,
Speaker 3: and take a six yard gain for twenty five yards.
Speaker 3: And as I was writing that down, in fact, he
Speaker 3: did have that big twenty four yard gain as I
Speaker 3: was making that note, and I nearly deleted. I thought no,
Speaker 3: because it still highlights how its garbage exactly as was
Speaker 3: his touchdown garbage time, and like if you take out
Speaker 3: that final two drives of the game, when they were
Speaker 3: already pretty much out of it, Tokyo had absolutely nothing
Speaker 3: to show for today. He is carrying this wrist injury.
Speaker 3: He says he's not gonna have surgery to the offseason.
Speaker 3: Don't know how much that's affecting him, But I just
Speaker 3: I don't see any of the separation. I don't see
Speaker 3: any of the burst up field. I just like all
Speaker 3: that stuff that made him really special just wasn't there
Speaker 3: today and hasn't been there enough.
Speaker 1: This shit, I totally agree, that's been on my radar.
Speaker 1: They gave him a monster extension before the season. He
Speaker 1: is now, how odd does he He's thirty years old,
Speaker 1: it'll turn thirty one before next year. That's not a
Speaker 1: death sentence, but he's I think on the way down.
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say, like at his peak,
Speaker 1: which was an extended peak and was peaking last year,
Speaker 1: you know, through most of that year, since about this
Speaker 1: time last year through now, the production and the explosion
Speaker 1: just hasn't been quite as good. And you pay him
Speaker 1: that much money there's such a top heavy team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want more than six hundred and fifty yards through
Speaker 1: this point in the season, which he had in eighty
Speaker 1: of those Yeah tonight, where a lot of them were
Speaker 1: in garbage time. It's just been a little off. It's
Speaker 1: hard to get him and Wattle going at the same time.
Speaker 1: John new Smith speaking a fantasy, I mean, he goes
Speaker 1: ten for one thirteen those drives in the second half.
Speaker 1: That was the Dolphins team that I've seen. And it's
Speaker 1: not like they were awful in the first half. It
Speaker 1: was more that Tua was ten for eleven at one
Speaker 1: point or eight for I remember he had one completion
Speaker 1: and the Packers were driving to go up three scores.
Speaker 1: It's like they had only had the ball a couple
Speaker 1: of times and their defense let them down. And so
Speaker 1: that's that's part of the thing I've pushed back a
Speaker 1: little bit with Dolphins fans this year too, is your
Speaker 1: team shouldn't collapse that hard when you lose your backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: So that's that's on your coaching staff that everything fell
Speaker 1: apart that bad for now, But I'm doing the math
Speaker 1: roughly in my head. I believe they are now four
Speaker 1: and four in two of games. So you also can't
Speaker 1: tell me that they were that they're some great team
Speaker 1: with Tua there, they're literally four and four. They were
Speaker 1: one and one when he got hurt because they were
Speaker 1: losing that game thirty one to ten in the middle
Speaker 1: of the third quarter. That that, you know, And and
Speaker 1: they won the lost the first couple of games when
Speaker 1: he came back against good teams one three straight and
Speaker 1: now this one. And so that just speaks to a
Speaker 1: team that's in the middle of the road, like they
Speaker 1: probably should be six and six, not five and seven,
Speaker 1: but a team that's in the middle of the road
Speaker 1: so probably isn't gonna win the rest of their games.
Speaker 1: They have the Jets, they're at the Texans, they have
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, which who knows what they'll look like,
Speaker 1: and then they are at Cleveland and at the Jets.
Speaker 1: The Texans are actually at home. Like, yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: would make the Dolphins slight favorites at least in all
Speaker 1: those games, Like I think they're favorite in all those games.
Speaker 1: So sure you could win them all, but the odds
Speaker 1: undoing it are pretty slim at this point.
Speaker 3: Andrew Brant, who I know is you know, famed for
Speaker 3: being slightly favorable towards the Packers, let's say, but did
Speaker 3: tweet work for them? Yeah? Did tweet pointing out that,
Speaker 3: you know, Tyer Hill's getting twenty six million dollars this year,
Speaker 3: Jalen Word is getting twenty million dollars this year. The
Speaker 3: Packers leading seven receivers are getting eight million dollars between them. Like,
Speaker 3: I know those guys are going to now be getting
Speaker 3: paid as we get towards the end of the season.
Speaker 3: And you know, there was so much talk for so
Speaker 3: long about them not taking your first round receiver and
Speaker 3: just taking these mid round guys, but it's showing out,
Speaker 3: and like, it just shows that play design and coaching
Speaker 3: makes a huge difference. And you were absolutely right. Mike
Speaker 3: McDonald's deserves more like the football nerd. Of course, I
Speaker 3: love Mike McDonald's, all football nerds do. But like they
Speaker 3: him and the front office deserve a lot of stick
Speaker 3: for not making this team work without tour, for not
Speaker 3: having a backup ox for a guy who is so
Speaker 3: injury prone. And you know, this is a season where
Speaker 3: they could definitely be a playoff team based on everything
Speaker 3: they've got on their roster, and they're probably going to
Speaker 3: peter out and end up what like eight nine ten
Speaker 3: somewhere around that point. And it's disappointing.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: They missed a lot of tackles tonight. The Packers had
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty two yards after miss tackles. The
Speaker 2: success rate for the Packers on the ground actually made
Speaker 2: us to be forty percent, which is fine. In the
Speaker 2: Dolphins were much much lower. Again, you're not beating the allegations.
Speaker 2: You know who is?
Speaker 1: I don't know who has allegations for Josh Jagbas right now,
Speaker 1: probably no one. Let's listen to that. The call of
Speaker 1: his big reception in the second half.
Speaker 3: I'm first and.
Speaker 4: Two tight ends in the game.
Speaker 2: Melton in motion to the left, glove.
Speaker 4: Tapes, takes the handoff to Jacob, steps up in the pocket,
Speaker 4: dumps it off left side, and he's got Jacob flip
Speaker 4: a fender forty U fifty to the forty five to
Speaker 4: forty pikes of tackle thirty five thirty, then taken down.
Speaker 2: Beside the twenty yard line. My goodness, Josh Jacob's wood
Speaker 2: enough go down.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great call and just one of my
Speaker 1: favorite moves I've seen all season.
Speaker 2: The way he made dots and that was who it was.
Speaker 4: Fly.
Speaker 2: David Long was involved there too, right, No, David lug
Speaker 2: got cut. What am I saying? I saw David Long
Speaker 2: earlier in the day on the Lions.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: That was just a sweet, sweet play by a Packers
Speaker 2: team who came together at this time last year.
Speaker 5: Will.
Speaker 2: I know, they haven't been great all year, but they've
Speaker 2: been winning while being a little confusing. They're nine to three.
Speaker 1: In any other situation like year, they'd be like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get the two seed. They got some work
Speaker 1: to do just to be the you know, number two
Speaker 1: team in their own division. They're at Detroit next week
Speaker 1: on Thursday night. Jordan Rodrigue is going to do that
Speaker 1: recap with me. That is one of the games of
Speaker 1: the year so far, and they absolutely have the pieces
Speaker 1: to get better and play their best down the stretch,
Speaker 1: and they'll need to because they have some tough road
Speaker 1: games Lions, Seahawks, and Vikings all on the road down
Speaker 1: the stretch.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm aware we're going super long on this game.
Speaker 3: But Josh Jacob's like unreal contact, balanced, sensational to break
Speaker 3: that tackle, and obviously I saw he did to the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers last week in a season where we
Speaker 3: got Derek Kenrian Secon Barkley, it's hard to look beyond
Speaker 3: those two. Is like free agent running backs when you
Speaker 3: can say how well he's done there, and how well
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones has done over in Minnesota as well. Like
Speaker 3: the running backs back baby.
Speaker 1: It is absolutely back and he has been a huge
Speaker 1: part of that team. And I can't wait to watch
Speaker 1: this team the rest of the way because I think
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is getting more and more confident there. There's
Speaker 1: a couple throws he was under control today, but the
Speaker 1: throw he made when he was on the run to read,
Speaker 1: all it did was set up a field goal to
Speaker 1: be shorter, to take a three score lead in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. You know, move the ball to down to
Speaker 1: the four yard line. But that is one of the
Speaker 1: best throws you will ever see. The arm strength he
Speaker 1: has while throwing on a total run and then read
Speaker 1: one hands it. That's just like, hey, our athletes are
Speaker 1: better than your athletes. The Packers have some great athletes.
Speaker 1: All right, we still have a lot to get to.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break and we will finish our
Speaker 2: recap after them.
Speaker 3: The Williams with ten seconds to go in the game.
Speaker 3: Williams with seven Williams with six takes the snap. This
Speaker 3: could be the final play of the game, throws it
Speaker 3: deep down field. It is a game incomplete.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: What in the world for the games? It's over about
Speaker 2: the wall to Clark, this manager, even over Dan Miller.
Speaker 2: Lomas brown Well said on WXYT, what are the Bears thinking?
Speaker 1: Matt Eberfluse is the answer for Lomas brown the Lions escape.
Speaker 1: That game was sitting there for the Bears to steal.
Speaker 1: At the very end twenty three to twenty Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: moving the ball down the field, and if you were
Speaker 1: around a television at all today you probably know the circumstances.
Speaker 1: But he was sacked will with thirty two seconds left.
Speaker 1: They had a time out, they were in field goal range.
Speaker 1: Cairo Santos said after the game. I was ready to
Speaker 1: go kick it right there from fifty eight yards. That's
Speaker 1: in my range if I needed to. They not only
Speaker 1: never got any closer for a kick, they never kicked
Speaker 1: at all. They never use the time out. They waste
Speaker 1: all that time and then Caleb throws it down the field.
Speaker 1: One of the worst end of game sequences' you'll ever
Speaker 1: see I got.
Speaker 3: There's a really funny video that was tweeted out by
Speaker 3: Sean Hammond the Bears beat right at halftime of Kyra
Speaker 3: Santos out taking long field goals while Shaboozi was doing
Speaker 3: the halftime show, like just out of camera shot and
Speaker 3: it's well worth going looking at because it's very, very funny.
Speaker 3: But Cayra Santos when he meant he was ready, he
Speaker 3: meant he was ready to go, And I like, we
Speaker 3: got on toweb flues and we'll get onto the Williams
Speaker 3: of it, but I do think it is worth teeing
Speaker 3: up slightly is we talk. We'll talk aboute Williams performance
Speaker 3: overall in this game that on the first and ten
Speaker 3: from the twenty five yard line, he had DJ Moore
Speaker 3: streaking across the formation and if he throws that with
Speaker 3: even the tiniest modicum of anticipation, just gets that ball
Speaker 3: out a second earlier and ahead of his man, it's
Speaker 3: six points and Neyver won this game of football, and
Speaker 3: none of this ever happens. Instead, he throws it into
Speaker 3: his feet, he throws it late, and then they get
Speaker 3: sacked by his area Smith on the next play and
Speaker 3: we all know now what happens from that point onwards.
Speaker 3: I think Eba flush deserves all of the stick that
Speaker 3: he's getting. I totally get it. But what I've seen
Speaker 3: that's been I think really interesting, has been a lot
Speaker 3: of people saying, right, I think they had two options. Right,
Speaker 3: they either take the time out straight away, they get
Speaker 3: their heads clear, they get their best play to get
Speaker 3: the ball to the sideline and get it out of bounds,
Speaker 3: or to the middle of the field and spike it.
Speaker 3: In times they can go and take the field goal right,
Speaker 3: or they let they do what they did, They let
Speaker 3: the play run down, try and get the ball over
Speaker 3: the middle, and then take the time out. I don't
Speaker 3: know what the play was they decided to run. Was
Speaker 3: was absolutely bizarre going for it all. But I've seen
Speaker 3: a lot of people saying, like, why isn't Eba Flus
Speaker 3: calling the time out once it's clear that Caleb Williams
Speaker 3: is in his own heads. He's getting to the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage at thirteen seconds, he's not snapping the ball
Speaker 3: to six seconds, and he's trying to read this infense
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning style. It's like, you can't have that middle ground.
Speaker 3: If he calls that time out with ten seconds remaining,
Speaker 3: you're still left with a situation way you've gone, so.
Speaker 1: It would be better you could just kick You could
Speaker 1: just kick it. I mean everyone would kill him there.
Speaker 1: I agree, that's a weird thing to criticize, like take it,
Speaker 1: you should have taken it with ten thirteen seconds left,
Speaker 1: something like that. There's a big blame pie here, and
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams he will be better in that situation in
Speaker 1: a couple of years, probably in a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: after going through that.
Speaker 2: He absolutely deserves a big part of that. He's out
Speaker 2: there changing the place.
Speaker 1: They actually get lined up with about sixteen seventeen seconds left,
Speaker 1: so I think, which it's crazy because then they don't
Speaker 1: snap it for another nine seconds. They like sit there
Speaker 1: with over the ball for ten seconds, which is absolutely crazy.
Speaker 3: He ridiculous.
Speaker 1: He kind of lost his mind in that moment, and
Speaker 1: it is. It is tricky, but that's why you take
Speaker 1: the time out in the first place. I hope a
Speaker 1: listener reminds me of what I'm thinking of. There was
Speaker 1: like a very subtle situation that was so similar in
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, and I didn't have my
Speaker 1: family here, I would have I would have poured it
Speaker 1: through and try to figure it out. But it was
Speaker 1: a very similar situation where it happened. And so many
Speaker 1: times in these late game situations. I believe that one
Speaker 1: was with maybe forty to fifty seconds left, but the
Speaker 1: coach immediately used the time out because you just know
Speaker 1: after a satn unexpected sack like that where you backed
Speaker 1: up ten yards, it is very difficult to get everything
Speaker 1: under control and know what you're supposed to do and
Speaker 1: know what play to call, and so you call a
Speaker 1: time out right away because you know you have a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback and you have thirty plus seconds there, and
Speaker 1: now you can't spike the ball after a throw over
Speaker 1: the middle. So that's why what Matt Eberflu said after
Speaker 1: the game in his mind sounded correct. Let's actually listen
Speaker 1: to old Maddie, maybe his last press conference as a
Speaker 1: Bears coach.
Speaker 2: We'll see, I like what we did there again.
Speaker 7: Once it's under seven, you know you're going to you're
Speaker 7: gonna call you know, time out there or actually under twelve,
Speaker 7: and then really you don't have an option, you know,
Speaker 7: because his third the fourth you got to throw it
Speaker 7: into the end zone then, so to me, it's uh uh.
Speaker 7: I think we handled it the right way. I do
Speaker 7: believe that. You know, he's just rewrecked the play, get
Speaker 7: it in bounce and call time out, and that's why
Speaker 7: we held it and didn't work out the way we
Speaker 7: wanted it.
Speaker 5: Two.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's so confident seeing it too. I don't.
Speaker 3: It's not intense like you say. He's so confident in
Speaker 3: saying it is full blown gaslighting, like he is convinced.
Speaker 3: He's trying to convince us by with this word solid
Speaker 3: that what he did was in any way right, and
Speaker 3: I think he believes it.
Speaker 2: I think he you know, I don't need to know
Speaker 2: the names.
Speaker 1: He is a politician that believes everything he says and
Speaker 1: that's why the lies work. Like I think he believes
Speaker 1: it now what he might not intend to do because
Speaker 1: he tried to do the whole I take full of responsibility.
Speaker 1: I'm the coach. But he did say that at some point.
Speaker 1: But saying that is not taking full responsibility because saying
Speaker 1: that is essentially saying Caleb Williams messed up. Because what
Speaker 1: he is saying is I like what we did there.
Speaker 1: He's saying like Yeah, I thought we were going to
Speaker 1: get the playoff with twenty something seconds left in the
Speaker 1: operation wasn't going to be so slow, and the caleb
Speaker 1: wasn't going to stand over the bar for fifteen seconds.
Speaker 1: It all would have made sense to quote re rack
Speaker 1: the play get it off with seventeen seconds left or
Speaker 1: whatever it is in execute it well.
Speaker 2: But they didn't execute it well. So he's essentially, in
Speaker 2: my mind saying the thought process was right, they just
Speaker 2: didn't do it right.
Speaker 3: That's how I read it. Yeah, And that's why I
Speaker 3: wanted to highlight the caleb isn't completely without fault because
Speaker 3: I think he has gone kind of blameless on social media,
Speaker 3: et cetera. But look, they've six losses in a row now,
Speaker 3: and four of those are the Hail Mary against Washington,
Speaker 3: the Packers block field goal where should they have gained
Speaker 3: vore yardes before they took that field goal, the overtime
Speaker 3: loss to the Vikings, and then this one, and with
Speaker 3: all of them, the game management has been absolutely horrendous,
Speaker 3: and really for two and a half years and thirteen
Speaker 3: weeks into this season, the game manage it's been consistently
Speaker 3: bad under eba flus like well I always I used
Speaker 3: to bang the drum about being like, you need to
Speaker 3: have a coach who is just there to tell you
Speaker 3: what to do situationally, who's their whole job is to
Speaker 3: no clock management, to be on top of it. But
Speaker 3: a lot of teams actually do have that now and
Speaker 3: they set up in the booth and they do tell
Speaker 3: them what to do, and they still get it wrong
Speaker 3: just by having an expert who's literally in the building
Speaker 3: doing that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, or have a coach that's pretty good at
Speaker 1: it at it like, yeah, that's an option to a
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, a John Harbaugh. Eberflus was later asked in
Speaker 1: that press conference if asked if he expects to be
Speaker 1: the Bears head coach next week, which is a tough question,
Speaker 1: and he just said, I'm going to keep grinding and
Speaker 1: show up. But the fact that those questions are being asked,
Speaker 1: it's just you get there's so many different stats. They're
Speaker 1: the first team in NFL history to go on a
Speaker 1: six scheme losing streak without having multiple turnovers in any
Speaker 1: of those games. Just kind of interesting. All Ebraflus talks
Speaker 1: about is don't turn the ball over, turn don't turn
Speaker 1: them all over and he's showing how you can lose.
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen said at one point, we did enough as
Speaker 1: players in that game, so that that kind of says
Speaker 1: it all. He also was said he was totally surprised
Speaker 1: that that was the last play of the game. He like,
Speaker 1: he thought, like everyone in the field thought, oh, we
Speaker 1: must have more time, right, Like that couldn't be how
Speaker 1: the game ended.
Speaker 2: They didn't know.
Speaker 1: And then he said he looked up at and saw
Speaker 1: that they still had a time out and said like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, And DJ Moore said, we keep coming back
Speaker 1: in these games, putting ourselves in position and then we
Speaker 1: shut the bed, and yeah, that's what they do. The
Speaker 1: worst record in one score games to your point, well,
Speaker 1: since Eberflus took over are the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shocking And look when you look at what they
Speaker 3: did overall in this game, like it's a game that
Speaker 3: based on the first half, they had no right to
Speaker 3: be in this game. Later on, right, Caleb goes five
Speaker 3: to fifteen for just thirty four yards in the first half.
Speaker 3: Second half comes out fourteen of twenty two two hundred
Speaker 3: and eight yards, three touchdowns. Did lead them down the
Speaker 3: field on that drive, did look like they were going
Speaker 3: really positive and this was without much of a running
Speaker 3: game whatsoever, Like DeAndre Swift had that third and one
Speaker 3: where he picked up ten plus yards on that final drive,
Speaker 3: but prior to that, Caleb had the top three rushes
Speaker 3: on the team on the day, Like, they just weren't
Speaker 3: moving the ball particularly well at all on the ground
Speaker 3: and so you know, the Lions got a bit soft
Speaker 3: in that second half. Injuries, I think really hurt them
Speaker 3: in a big way as well. There were some really
Speaker 3: bizarre incidents throughout the game that well we'll kind of
Speaker 3: get into on both sides of the ball, I imagine.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is a game that shouldn't have been
Speaker 3: there for the Bears, and then very much was there
Speaker 3: for the Bears, and they just feel like a team
Speaker 3: who don't know how to get out of their own
Speaker 3: way right now.
Speaker 1: No, their game was it was such a one sided game,
Speaker 1: and the Lions didn't take advantage because they struggled in
Speaker 1: the red zone in the first half. At one point
Speaker 1: in the first half, the Lions had eighteen first downs
Speaker 1: in the Bear had nine plays. Now, from that point forward,
Speaker 1: the Bears more or less dominated. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: I'm concerned if I was a Lions fan, but the
Speaker 1: Bears came back in that game. There were a couple
Speaker 1: of moments in the second half, Campbell not going for
Speaker 1: it on fourth and two at about his own forty
Speaker 1: to kick it back to the Bears at last time
Speaker 1: they kind of blinked there where I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a little surprising at Dan Campbell's not being aggressive
Speaker 1: in this moment. The way that their defense was playing,
Speaker 1: and the way their defense was playing was in large
Speaker 1: part because of the injuries in this game. Let's go
Speaker 1: through them. Josh Pascal their starting edge. They've had so
Speaker 1: many edge injuries out with a knee injury. Malcolm Rodriguez
Speaker 1: lot left the game. Makai Wingo, one of their defensive linemen,
Speaker 1: left the game. DJ Reider and Zadarias Smith both left
Speaker 1: the game but returned. And Reader actually got a quarterback
Speaker 1: hit will on that play where Caleb Williams threw it
Speaker 1: at DJ Moore's feet, so he.
Speaker 2: Probably should have made that play.
Speaker 1: But it was a big play by DJ Reader on
Speaker 1: that play to get a QB hit and at least
Speaker 1: bother Caleb Williams, so he returned. Levi on Wuzurique, who's
Speaker 1: been great for them in the middle. With Alee McNeil
Speaker 1: hurt his hamstring in this game, so that is a
Speaker 1: number of key defensive linemen. It's been just a cascade
Speaker 1: of injuries at one position. And you could see Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams getting more comfortable as the game went on and
Speaker 1: having a lot of time and picking on some mismatches.
Speaker 2: You got Kendall Vildor out there.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have Carlton Davis and Keenan Allen
Speaker 1: and Dj Moore like those were mismassive matches on the outside.
Speaker 1: And you think ahead to next week with Packers Lions
Speaker 1: and if they can't get healthy, they could be in
Speaker 1: trouble on defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a defense Aaron Glenn has managed to
Speaker 3: both scheme up and coach up to do brilliant things
Speaker 3: without Aiden Hutchinson and without some of their best players.
Speaker 3: And you mentioned, you know, missing key piece in that secondary. Today,
Speaker 3: next Gen Stats had a tweet that you know, Zadarias Smith,
Speaker 3: Alcady Mohammad and Dj Reeder all had seven plus pressures
Speaker 3: in this game, which means good after Yeah, Caleb was
Speaker 3: pressured on seventeen dropbacks without them blitzing, which is the
Speaker 3: most in the Dan cambell era, And that's not going
Speaker 3: to be. The idea was you lose Aiden Hutchinson, You're
Speaker 3: going to struggle, right, that was. But Zadarius Smith comes
Speaker 3: in and they decide not to line him up as
Speaker 3: the kind of just a replacement for Aid Hutchinson, which
Speaker 3: I think wouldn't have worked, but they've got him playing
Speaker 3: up the middle. He had that brilliant spin move on
Speaker 3: the inside to force Caleb outside on the pocket on
Speaker 3: this second drive to force the three and out got
Speaker 3: the sack at the end of the game, which obviously
Speaker 3: caused such huge issues. Like I thought, he was absolutely
Speaker 3: sensational in this game despite good car the fact that
Speaker 3: he's going against a pretty bad offensive line, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I lians defense keeps from finding ways to win despite everything,
Speaker 3: and yet in this second half there was enough concern
Speaker 3: for me that goes if they were playing a really
Speaker 3: good organized football team who kind of a well coached
Speaker 3: and knew what they were doing, this would be a
Speaker 3: dropped game for them. And I suspect that the Packers
Speaker 3: are exactly that kind of team next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough to know.
Speaker 1: What to make of it, because, like I said, like
Speaker 1: in the first quarter, it was one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: five yards to five, but they kept they kept bogging
Speaker 1: down in the red zone. They were throwing a lot
Speaker 1: in the red zone instead of running. And then Jamir
Speaker 1: Gibbs had that fumble as they were going in up
Speaker 1: sixteen nothing I believe at the time at the end
Speaker 1: of the second quarter, and that fumble gave the Bears
Speaker 1: a little life where they would have been out of
Speaker 1: it if they had gone in there twenty three nothing
Speaker 1: at halftime. Instead, Gibbs fumbles and it was a low
Speaker 1: possession game. I was thinking, Wow, the Lions offense really
Speaker 1: you know, struggled in the second half.
Speaker 2: But they really didn't.
Speaker 1: They had a touchdown drive and then in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter they did punch two different times.
Speaker 2: It was a four and out.
Speaker 1: They missed a field goal on a short field where
Speaker 1: they had stopped the Bears and Jake Bates could have
Speaker 1: put it away. And then they had that three and
Speaker 1: out that I mentioned where Goff didn't even get to
Speaker 1: make a throw. They just ran at three straight times.
Speaker 1: They got stuffed on third and two and went back,
Speaker 1: got backed up a half a yard and Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: at that moment, It's about three and a half minutes left,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, I know you don't want to give
Speaker 1: him good field position, but I trust your offense more
Speaker 1: right now than your defense. And he decided to punt
Speaker 1: it away. It was almost like, hey, offensive line, you
Speaker 1: just gave up a yard. You haven't earned the right
Speaker 1: to go for this fourth down. And so he's always
Speaker 1: been good knowing his team. He punted it away, and
Speaker 1: at that point I thought, Wow, I think the Bears
Speaker 1: are gonna win this game, which probably not a lot
Speaker 1: of Bears fans were thinking. They're too jaded after all
Speaker 1: these years to actually think something good was gonna happen,
Speaker 1: because I really thought the way Caleb was moving the
Speaker 1: ball at that point in the game. They scored the
Speaker 1: touchdown on a nice drive right after halftime, and then
Speaker 1: a couple more touchdown before that last drive, I thought
Speaker 1: they were going to go down the field. They'd win
Speaker 1: this damn thing, which would have been quite a story.
Speaker 1: But instead the Lions get to eleven and one and
Speaker 1: the Bears get to four in eight. Who knows if
Speaker 1: the Bears changed coaches, they know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: focus on the Bears and they're not even the relevant team.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if they changed coaches this week. They're
Speaker 1: going to change coaches at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what matters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do wonder how much concern there is for
Speaker 3: I know you said they didn't play poorly in the
Speaker 3: second half the Lions offense, but it did seem weird
Speaker 3: they went away from the run as much they did.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Gibbs had had nearly twelve yards per rush in
Speaker 3: the first half. They had one hundred and forty four
Speaker 3: yards on the ground in that first half, and then
Speaker 3: what I think he only had four rushing yards in
Speaker 3: the second half. Gibbs and they I mean, I know
Speaker 3: they've got the one two punch with Montgomery and he
Speaker 3: saw a lot of the ball, but it just felt
Speaker 3: like that got completely shut down that part of the game.
Speaker 3: You know, mom Rass and Brown and he gets two
Speaker 3: targets in the second half. Jameson Williams only gets one target,
Speaker 3: which was on that catch where he had that ridiculous hurdle,
Speaker 3: which it's amazing that's not a play took we end
Speaker 3: up talking more about because it's the kind of thing that, like,
Speaker 3: you know, if it happened at the week one of
Speaker 3: the season, going oh my god, that's some of the
Speaker 3: greatest athleticism we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And yet I've never seen a hurdle like that, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a jump up hurdle.
Speaker 2: It was a sprinting four four to three speed hurdle
Speaker 2: straightforward that that was incredible, like a full blown just hurdle,
Speaker 2: like a hurdler hurdling like it was insane.
Speaker 3: I did, actually on the Jamison william thing. I wanted
Speaker 3: to know your thoughts on him throwing the ball into
Speaker 3: Tyreg Stevenson's face and getting flagged for it. And the
Speaker 3: reason that I wanted to bring up wasn't so much
Speaker 3: the decision itself, because Jamie Williams feels like a guy
Speaker 3: that has that in his locker, like he's got a
Speaker 3: bit of that to his background and stuff. But it
Speaker 3: was the moment they showed on the sideline when Antoine
Speaker 3: Randelel was absolutely just reaming him out like a dad
Speaker 3: telling off like his teenager who's come in two hours
Speaker 3: after his curfew and clearly stinks of cheap whiskey, and
Speaker 3: he's just like absolutely and is desperately pleading his case
Speaker 3: and he's basically saying, no, that was stupid. What are
Speaker 3: you doing? I think it was a real good players
Speaker 3: as coach moments. We've talked about that a lot this
Speaker 3: year with like you know, O'Connell and ka Ryan's and
Speaker 3: guys like that. But yeah, I love to watch hands.
Speaker 3: When Randaell just gave him two barrels, it was really
Speaker 3: good fun. I just love all the the old frends
Speaker 3: that he has on the sideline. We got now old
Speaker 3: enough to remember Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 2: As a player.
Speaker 1: We got Duce Staley over there, we got Randall ll
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a fun staff to just watch,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you just got to survive games like this.
Speaker 1: The Bears have given them a lot of troubles, not
Speaker 1: just beating them on Thanksgiving, but generally they've shut down
Speaker 1: the Benn Johnson offense under Ibra flus So I was
Speaker 1: trying to think, what what do they do well now?
Speaker 1: They are really good situational defense. They've been great in
Speaker 1: the red zone all year, and they're pretty good on
Speaker 1: third downs. They I checked the next Gen stats, they
Speaker 1: only give up five point four yards per attempt on
Speaker 1: play action today and they were in GoF, had a
Speaker 1: lot of play action. They only gave up five point
Speaker 1: six yards per attempt on inbreakers to GoF, and I
Speaker 1: think the broadcast talked a little bit about just they
Speaker 1: really flood the middle of the field so that they're
Speaker 1: good in the red zone. They managed to take away
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. I think teams could at
Speaker 1: least look at what Chicago has done over the years
Speaker 1: to Detroit and try to gum it up and maybe
Speaker 1: it's just a matchup issue that's difficult for Detroit. But
Speaker 1: you give eberflu some credit there because I did not
Speaker 1: think they would be able to hang defensively in this game.
Speaker 1: They really haven't been a good defense overall this year.
Speaker 1: They're not a good run defense. They weren't today, But
Speaker 1: the Lions didn't really have many running attempts in the
Speaker 1: second half, and they're not a good pass rush and
Speaker 1: they weren't for most of today either, and they managed
Speaker 1: to survive, So there's something. But that's kind of the
Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus defensive like, the things they do well does
Speaker 1: not make up nearly enough for all the shortcomings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote down on first half red zone struggles
Speaker 3: Kyla Gordon should have picked Jared goff Off on that
Speaker 3: opening drive. A little bit of turnover look for him there.
Speaker 3: But I wrote exactly that they did really good job
Speaker 3: of flooding the middle of the field, taking away those
Speaker 3: in breakers, stopping them from doing what they do so brilliantly.
Speaker 3: And actually, like Jivon Dexter had that brilliant sack on
Speaker 3: the third possession, but also had some really good stops
Speaker 3: early on, and they did. They seem to turn it
Speaker 3: on in the red zone and I was trying to
Speaker 3: figure out watching it back, was it Lion struggles and
Speaker 3: play calling in the red zone. I thought they were
Speaker 3: good plays there, and I thought they were decent execution.
Speaker 3: I just thought that the Bears tightened up really well
Speaker 3: when he got into that area. The Lions did try
Speaker 3: and throw a touchdown with which was one of When
Speaker 3: that happened so early in the night, I was ready
Speaker 3: for one of the greatest thanksgivings of all time. I'm like,
Speaker 3: if this is happening in the first quarter of the
Speaker 3: first game, we are in for a barn storm of
Speaker 3: this evening. Because I'm just obsessed with Ben Johnson. I'm
Speaker 3: obsessed with that play call. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It kind of a standing ovation And so a three
Speaker 1: yard sack has never been cheered louder from the home
Speaker 1: crowd than that play. And I don't know if they
Speaker 1: were cheering just because of the huevos on Ben Jhonson
Speaker 1: to call it, or the fact that Pinae Sewell, you
Speaker 1: can look in the box score and see that he
Speaker 1: got sacked and now, yes, he's given up fewer sacks
Speaker 1: zero than sacks he's.
Speaker 2: Taken this year. One.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were just cheering because four different Bears defenders
Speaker 1: tried to bring him down and not even got him close,
Speaker 1: like his knees didn't buckle. The momentum took him over
Speaker 1: to the sideline and the play then ended, but no
Speaker 1: one was getting that big boy down. And I'm a
Speaker 1: little disappointed a that he didn't complete a pass on
Speaker 1: that play and then b the second half win as
Speaker 1: it did, because my Pinae Sewell for Offensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year agenda was everything in the first half of
Speaker 1: that game.
Speaker 2: I was like, this thing actually might take off.
Speaker 1: He is a star of this game right now, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to put him up there
Speaker 1: almost as a representative, but also because he's Pine saw
Speaker 1: as a potential award winner this year. I'm the best offense,
Speaker 1: the best team in the league. But then it quieted
Speaker 1: down a little on it me and me.
Speaker 3: So your friend of mine, Olly Connolly, did a really
Speaker 3: good piece about Penney Saul this past week for The Guardian,
Speaker 3: and runs targeted behind Saul this season over fifty percent
Speaker 3: of them, fifty two point five percent go for a
Speaker 3: first down or a touchdown. And that's more than that's it. Basically,
Speaker 3: it's the most successful play in the NFL. It's just
Speaker 3: run behind Penney Saul. And you mentioned my forty nine
Speaker 3: ers found them earlier on It's reminded me a lot
Speaker 3: of Trent Williams season last season, where when Penny Saul
Speaker 3: isn't in the lineup they don't look anything like the
Speaker 3: same offense at all, and they just do so much
Speaker 3: with him and so much behind him. And I love
Speaker 3: the idea that we're like, we're under the lights. It's Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: We haven't won on Thanksgiving in what is it, eight
Speaker 3: nine years now, and we're going to try and throw
Speaker 3: a touchdown with our best lineman. Like I was so
Speaker 3: on board with it, It's a shame it didn't work.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I love the crowd reaction.
Speaker 2: How I mean, how are the Bears ready for that?
Speaker 2: I guess they just like the players, just like Red
Speaker 2: read that it was a pass play and didn't look
Speaker 2: up or something because everyone was well covered on that play.
Speaker 2: It was there was nowhere.
Speaker 1: Good good job quarterbacking by Piney Soul holding on to
Speaker 1: that ball. What a season for the Lions ending that
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving streak. Who cares if it was close? And you
Speaker 1: have some concerns. I know these are champagne problems, that
Speaker 1: the injuries are the issue. But you are eleven and one,
Speaker 1: you won on Thanksgiving and now you've got two big
Speaker 1: games coming up, Packers and Bills coming into Detroit. Well
Speaker 1: for season ticket holders in Detroit to have Thanksgiving against
Speaker 1: the Bears, then Packers and then Bills. As you are
Speaker 1: unanimously the number one team and everyone's power rankings, the
Speaker 1: number one team in the NFC.
Speaker 2: What what a time it is to be a Detroit
Speaker 2: Lions fan. So enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break, Let's get to a game. Everyone's
Speaker 1: excited about. Cowboys Giants. We'll talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: our Thanksgiving it's going to be great. But before we
Speaker 1: do that, let's listen to Dan Campbell talk about the
Speaker 1: Lions and their mindset with all the injuries that they have.
Speaker 2: We're back right after this.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, does it really matter? Like
Speaker 5: who cares? You know? And that's the thing that's what
Speaker 5: I go back to, Man, I can it doesn't matter,
Speaker 5: like either it is or it isn't and we get
Speaker 5: a guy back. We don't get a guy back, And
Speaker 5: it's like worrying about it and moaning about it and
Speaker 5: bitching about it. It's like calls right, it's like the call.
Speaker 5: It's like bildor I could sit there and throw a
Speaker 5: fit about it. What does it matter?
Speaker 4: You know it?
Speaker 3: It's called.
Speaker 5: It's done.
Speaker 4: So I know this.
Speaker 5: Whoever we have available, we're gonna get them ready to
Speaker 5: play and we expect them the whole the line period.
Speaker 3: Giants are out at the forty first and ten after
Speaker 3: the kickoff return.
Speaker 2: Block with play action screen tip.
Speaker 3: Up to the yard and it's up to the long
Speaker 3: show running right to.
Speaker 5: The goal line.
Speaker 3: Touch down own horse shown. Oh what an athletic play
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 2: Brad sham k RLD like having Brad.
Speaker 1: Back on the show the last couple of weeks to
Speaker 1: Marbion over Shan with an incredibly athletic play, not just
Speaker 1: tipping the ball up to himself and then running under
Speaker 1: it beautifully, but coming off a pretty vicious block on
Speaker 1: the running back even before tipping the ball.
Speaker 2: That was awesome.
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense gets it done, make Drew Lock look bad.
Speaker 1: Turnovers galore for the Giants. The Cowboys hold on for
Speaker 1: a twenty seven to twenty victory. They're second straight when
Speaker 1: to get to five and seven the Giants. They got
Speaker 1: a pretty good chance here to get the number one
Speaker 1: overall pick in this draft. They are at two and
Speaker 1: ten and well, they found a team in the Giants.
Speaker 1: Dallas did that they could push around a little bit.
Speaker 1: They had to feel good. Like the offensive line for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, they thought played pretty well. They could run
Speaker 1: the ball, they protected rush enough, and then defensively, Micah
Speaker 1: Parsons and overshown and that front got after Drew Locke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike Parsons against Evan Neil might be the biggest
Speaker 3: mismatch we see in the NFL all season. Like, it
Speaker 3: felt like like abusive by the end of that game,
Speaker 3: I really like I was just ro to take them out.
Speaker 3: Just what back at, what swing tackles have you got?
Speaker 3: Just anyone, just please please just put him out of
Speaker 3: his misery. At this point, you mentioned I thought they
Speaker 3: were much better in the trenches on both sides of
Speaker 3: the ball over the last two weeks, and they have been.
Speaker 3: You know, there was a standout defensive performance, but Rico
Speaker 3: Dawdle's US career one hundred yard rushing game, I still
Speaker 3: felt that Mike McCarthy made some weird play calls, Like
Speaker 3: there was a point where Rika Dad had an eighteen
Speaker 3: yard pickup when they were up two scores and could
Speaker 3: go and kill the game off, and then he ran
Speaker 3: three consecutive passes for Cooper Rush, and you're just thinking
Speaker 3: it's all working. The Giants are giving it up to you.
Speaker 3: Why are you just not absolutely running the ball down
Speaker 3: their throat in this situation. You know, I totally get
Speaker 3: targeting adri Jackson. That makes complete sense to me. But
Speaker 3: outside of that, like it just it didn't quite feel
Speaker 3: like it completely clicked on that side of the ball.
Speaker 3: But it felt like they're getting enough out of Cooper
Speaker 3: Rush and a really good defensive performance, and so yeah,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys aren't back but at least they've got something
Speaker 3: to enjoy as the season starts to reach it.
Speaker 1: No, they're gonna win, and just enough games to kind
Speaker 1: of ruin their draft pick. And hey, Micah Parsons was
Speaker 1: a late pick. Zach Martin was a late pick who
Speaker 1: was their center back of the day, Travis Frederick. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've had plenty of good late picks, so they can
Speaker 1: make their picks, and they'd much rather win on Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: especially after the first five games that they had at home,
Speaker 1: which rivaled any team in NFL history in terms of
Speaker 1: point differential. That's how bad the Cowboys were at home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Daudo goes for one hundred and twelve, He gets forty
Speaker 1: four yard rushing yards over expected.
Speaker 2: And Cooper Rush not a great or pretty thrower of the.
Speaker 1: Football, but he has gotten a little better each week
Speaker 1: this season that he's played. He ends up with one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five yards twenty one for thirty six.
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of drops. Ceedee Lamb had
Speaker 1: three drops on the game and then left with an injury.
Speaker 1: Only two catches and one thing. Cooper Rush does better
Speaker 1: a lot better than Drew Locke, who got the start
Speaker 1: over Tommy DeVito. Because DeVito was injured, he avoid sacks.
Speaker 1: The pressure rate for the Giants was actually twenty four percent,
Speaker 1: which is low, but it's not like comically low, and
Speaker 1: they did not get any sacks on Cooper rush, whereas
Speaker 1: the pressure and Drew Lock was forty four percent, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them were quick in his defense, but
Speaker 1: six sacs one and a half from from Micah like
Speaker 1: Carl Larsen was in there, Odiggy Zoo was getting in
Speaker 1: the mix, and Lock was he was he was full
Speaker 1: Lock and a couple of fun runs in there, but
Speaker 1: a fumble on one of those runs in interception, and yeah, man,
Speaker 1: this this Giant season just can't and fast.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was by far their leading Russia on the night.
Speaker 3: But you look, you look at yeah they they only
Speaker 3: orchestrated two plays of twenty yards or more in the
Speaker 3: whole game, and they were both Drew Lock scrambles. Like
Speaker 3: this is just not it's it's not working. It's it's
Speaker 3: not difficult to kind of look beyond that. It was
Speaker 3: he was half. He was eight of seventeen for fifty
Speaker 3: five yards, and actually of his one hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: eight total, sixty eight of them came on that garbage
Speaker 3: time touchdown drive right at the end where they were
Speaker 3: just giving him eighteen yard pickup after thirteen yard pickup,
Speaker 3: after just just letting moved down the field.
Speaker 1: Though it wasn't quite garbage time. I always struggle with, like,
Speaker 1: what is garbage time? What isn't They had a chance
Speaker 1: to win that game there they kicked it out, you know,
Speaker 1: they kicked it off to the Cowboys and made the
Speaker 1: Cowboys get a first down. If the Cowboys went three
Speaker 1: and out, which is a very normal thing for the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Cowboys to do, they would have to
Speaker 1: punt it to the Giants with a chance to win.
Speaker 3: The game, just saying just say, don't you feel like
Speaker 3: the defense then actually goes, oh we should we should
Speaker 3: start playing again now.
Speaker 2: Right, That's why why defenses do that. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't get that.
Speaker 1: I appreciated Actually the Packers, after not playing well for
Speaker 1: most of the second half tonight, got very aggressive actually
Speaker 1: during Miami's deep garbage time drive and just didn't let
Speaker 1: them move the ball at on.
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, that that's how it should be.
Speaker 2: Just just do that.
Speaker 3: Giants fans are going to absolutely hate that I'm going
Speaker 3: to point this out, but I'm going to anyway, the
Speaker 3: money they saved from Saquon Barkley, they spent on Devin
Speaker 3: Singletary Andrew Locke. That's where that you can draw the
Speaker 3: direct line because of how they paid their contracts this year.
Speaker 3: They literally freed up five million dollars and they went
Speaker 3: and spent it on a backup quarterback. And that's what
Speaker 3: they got out of it.
Speaker 1: Like they spent twice as much money. And Brian Burns
Speaker 1: is another way to look at it. And Brian Burns
Speaker 1: has been fine. He's been about what you would expect
Speaker 1: Brian Burns to be. But it you know, it's that
Speaker 1: change in their life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look that you cut the Demnion over Shon
Speaker 3: play is like a freak moment, an unbelievable, just piece
Speaker 3: of athleticism, one of the best players will see all season.
Speaker 3: It will be on highlights all yearund so like you
Speaker 3: can't necessarily throw that back in their face. But other
Speaker 3: than that, like they just didn't put anything together on
Speaker 3: offense at all, and I think it did highlight that
Speaker 3: Cowboys defense, like eight takeaways in their last five games. Now,
Speaker 3: you know Overshawn he actually recovered the fumble from the
Speaker 3: Eric kendricks on the Tyrone Tracy fumble as well, So like,
Speaker 3: what a game for him and what an emergence he's had,
Speaker 3: And it's it's why I keep going back to the
Speaker 3: the You know, both of these teams, well all they
Speaker 3: actually I was gonna say both these teams are gonna
Speaker 3: be having a reset this offseason. But suddenly this past week,
Speaker 3: with back to back wins, with some murmurings from Jerry
Speaker 3: Jones on local radio, with suddenly people writing think pieces
Speaker 3: about it, like, well, suddenly it might be that Mike
Speaker 3: mcconfee's staying in Dallas.
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. I cannot buy that, but I
Speaker 1: guess they'd have to keep winning. Now they're five and seven.
Speaker 1: They have the Bengals at Panthers home for Bucks, at
Speaker 1: Philly home for Washington. I mean, if they win two
Speaker 1: of those games, that would be outstanding, and even that
Speaker 1: would only get them to seven and ten. It's more
Speaker 1: likely they went about one of those games. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's with you. Tom Brady spent about three minutes
Speaker 1: at one point talking about that Mike McCarthy's one of
Speaker 1: the greatest coaches in the NFL. I'm less high on
Speaker 1: Tom Brady than you are. He always seems a little angry.
Speaker 1: And it's not just like because of those quarterbacks. He
Speaker 1: just I think he wants to be good, and he's
Speaker 1: like frustrated, he's he's not good.
Speaker 2: He's like trying to have a good time.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just not comfortable, And I think he will
Speaker 1: be more comfortable in the future, because I do think
Speaker 1: he wants to be good, and that's it. But it's
Speaker 1: even even man, we're picking at him. It's just like
Speaker 1: they came back from break and Kevin Burkhart was saying,
Speaker 1: like happy Thanksgiving to everyone, and I saw Brady just
Speaker 1: sort of mouth happy Thanksgiving everybody, but like it wasn't
Speaker 1: his turn to speak, so he actually didn't say it.
Speaker 2: But it's just a little moments like that.
Speaker 3: Paul Kemberke I'm to go from last year watching Greg
Speaker 3: Olsen tear that to duck and apart with his bare
Speaker 3: hands like he was an animals so this year and
Speaker 3: shout out to all he hunter for this line on Twitter,
Speaker 3: but going to Tom Brady looking like it's the first
Speaker 3: time he's eating human food.
Speaker 1: Like he was, and then he tried to do, like, hey,
Speaker 1: what would a cool, tough guy do in this scenario?
Speaker 1: And then like went hard at it.
Speaker 3: Obviously, he was astonished at how good meat tasted, like
Speaker 3: it's the first time he's had it in twenty five years.
Speaker 3: It was one of the weirdest moments. And I am
Speaker 3: higher on Brady than you overall. I think he has
Speaker 3: improved over the season and when they give him a
Speaker 3: chance to be a football nerd, like, I really enjoy it,
Speaker 3: and I like his anger, Like I think I liked
Speaker 3: his anger in this game. But actually the bit of
Speaker 3: anger I liked wasn't about the quarterback play going on
Speaker 3: the field. Actually him going quite hard after Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: in the build up, basically saying that by requesting a release,
Speaker 3: that's him giving up on the team who have invested
Speaker 3: so much in him. I don't agree with him, but
Speaker 3: at least it was a bit of honesty and a
Speaker 3: bit of like forthrightness from Brady, Like I'd rather interesting
Speaker 3: opinions I disagree with than Jason Garrett.
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with that, that's a good take.
Speaker 1: I thn that I don't agree with it really either,
Speaker 1: but I hadn't heard that, and that that's more compelling.
Speaker 1: He isn't afraid to be critical, which I'll give him
Speaker 1: credit for that. It's more just broadcaster. They need to
Speaker 1: be a good hang, right and some level unless they're
Speaker 1: really teaching you a lot. And I feel like he's
Speaker 1: a good hang yet.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's funny because obviously coming someone from a
Speaker 3: radio background, like you know, we're broadcasting cricket right now,
Speaker 3: which is a little bit like baseball, this insanely long
Speaker 3: sport where you're just hearing the same two, three, four
Speaker 3: voices for what can be like eight hours at a time,
Speaker 3: and so it needs to be driven by interesting people.
Speaker 3: And actually even like the NFL in this country, when
Speaker 3: you compare it to like our football soccer, Like if
Speaker 3: somebody comes and listens to a talks able broadcast of
Speaker 3: one of the London games or Germany or like the
Speaker 3: super Bowl, and they listen, we have their company for
Speaker 3: four hours. And so if you are very straight down
Speaker 3: the line, or if you are boring then or you
Speaker 3: don't say anything interesting.
Speaker 2: Why you need to get well Gavin on the like.
Speaker 2: But the thing is it's not going a lot on
Speaker 2: that combs, you.
Speaker 3: Know, wonderful. I'm glad he got to mention because he
Speaker 3: would have been angry if hadn't. Like, it's just you need.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be the reason you turn off because
Speaker 3: you've tuned in for the game, not for the individuals necessarily,
Speaker 3: but it does elevate it. When you do get like
Speaker 3: Kevin Harlan or Kevin Burkhart or somebody's really really good like,
Speaker 3: it does make a huge difference to your enjoyment of
Speaker 3: a bad game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a tough one because the Giants and
Speaker 1: Cowboys are great draws in the US, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: a lot of people will watch this game. This is
Speaker 1: traditionally the most watched game of the year, actually the
Speaker 1: Cowboys Thanksgiving game of any football all game all season long.
Speaker 1: But you know, over there, it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys and the Giants are as big of
Speaker 1: a draw, and so I didn't feel good that this
Speaker 1: is the product that were given out there for everyone.
Speaker 1: Although the Fox I did like they had the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and the Saints in there in the Hunt playoff graphics,
Speaker 1: so they're small victories. I was like, wow, Okay, they're
Speaker 1: still in. They're still in the Hunt five and seven.
Speaker 1: Let's put him in the Saints, you're in the hunt.
Speaker 3: If they don't mathematically out of it, you have to
Speaker 3: cool them in the hunt.
Speaker 1: But nobody's mathematically out of it. I don't think even
Speaker 1: the Giants are mathematically out of this. This would have
Speaker 1: to do it, you would think right going into this
Speaker 1: week they weren't. Maybe maybe some other games will eliminate them.
Speaker 1: Just some other really small things in this game, Melik
Speaker 1: neighbors very Melik neighbors game like a couple bad plays.
Speaker 1: He's had some mental errors this year, but three really
Speaker 1: really tough grabs in this game. Different types of ones.
Speaker 1: One on the sideline, one with a diving catch, one
Speaker 1: on a ball behind him. I mean, he is just
Speaker 1: a beautiful catcher of the football. Like the offensive line
Speaker 1: for the Giants just made that offense unplayable. But he's awesome.
Speaker 1: And then Jonathan Mingo. It's not gonna happen, I don't think.
Speaker 1: But they're just like hope ball after hopeball to Jonathan
Speaker 1: Mingo and then welcome back Brandon Cooks. He actually made
Speaker 1: a big difference. He made an outstanding catch on that
Speaker 1: third down with about two under two minutes to go
Speaker 1: to put the game away. If if Cooper Rush doesn't
Speaker 1: make a pretty good throw there, and Cooks doesn't make
Speaker 1: that catch, the Giants get the ball back with a
Speaker 1: chance to win. I have no faith the Giants would
Speaker 1: have gone down the field and actually scored, but that
Speaker 1: play coming out of the two more warning. Welcome back
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. He had three catches for sixteen yards and
Speaker 1: seven targets. Mingo by the way, two yards and four targets.
Speaker 1: So there's your Cowboys. How was your Thanksgiving? Did you
Speaker 1: work the whole time? Well, yeah, like normally we do.
Speaker 3: We try and do like a bunch of us will
Speaker 3: get together at a bar in central London or something
Speaker 3: and like a lot of like the kind of American
Speaker 3: themed bars will do like a big roast inner and
Speaker 3: put a turkey on, and like they'll put pumpkin pile
Speaker 3: on or some of that, and then you can get
Speaker 3: like a little little sense of Americana on the day.
Speaker 3: But actually, today I just knew I was coming on,
Speaker 3: so I was professional and I stayed at home and
Speaker 3: I made notes and I watched the games. Definitely nothing
Speaker 3: wow to do with recently becoming a dad and you know,
Speaker 3: having to help out with feeds or anything.
Speaker 1: It was you were going to I thought you were
Speaker 1: like up working on Talk Sport till five in the morning.
Speaker 1: My first thought was, well, who do I ask to
Speaker 1: work on Thanksgiving? How about someone that doesn't technically celebrate Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1: And then I thought, but that's making them up, you know,
Speaker 1: making them stay up till five in the morning, which
Speaker 1: is almost torture.
Speaker 2: Will Gavin, that's the man for it.
Speaker 3: I did do a few updates on Talk Sports, so
Speaker 3: I did do a little bit of I had a
Speaker 3: bit of a side hustle. But the point is great
Speaker 3: that you were the main reason I'm still awakening. It's fine,
Speaker 3: yes in the morning, so just just know that I
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Let's let's get eric on here. My Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: We picked up from a amazing barbecue place, Maple Block.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it if you're in the Culver City
Speaker 1: or Los Angeles area, and they smoked that turkey. Smoked
Speaker 1: turkey is the way to go. It was so tender,
Speaker 1: it was delicious. My my lovely wife Emmica, you know,
Speaker 1: made some stuffing, made some corn bread, made dessert. You know,
Speaker 1: we we had some sides, but it doesn't hurt to
Speaker 1: order the side. I mean to order the turkey. It's
Speaker 1: fine if you don't, you know, if you don't have
Speaker 1: all the time in the world. My parents were over,
Speaker 1: my friend Anthony was over. Who I do the jessel
Speaker 1: Nick and Rosenthal Vanity Project jervyb with and everyone should check.
Speaker 3: Out his us such a humble brag. My friend Anthony
Speaker 3: was saying, he was turn on my TV right now
Speaker 3: without his face showing up. Okay, go on Netflix watch
Speaker 3: Anthony Justink special.
Speaker 1: Eventually, this was a long winded way to say, go, yeah,
Speaker 1: go check out his new special. I I looked and
Speaker 1: they had the Netflix like top ten or whatever, and
Speaker 1: my guy, that is right there number three. It you know,
Speaker 1: people sick of watching two and a half hour long movies.
Speaker 1: It's a nice fifty three minute special and uh it
Speaker 1: is absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 2: So it was I was great.
Speaker 3: Top ten in the UK.
Speaker 1: Okay, don't you know, let's not let's come down and
Speaker 1: then Eric crazy. Your your first your first Thanksgiving with
Speaker 1: the baby. You went over to your mom's.
Speaker 2: How was it? First? First thinking it.
Speaker 6: Was great, lots of people around to hold the baby,
Speaker 6: so we're not, you know, on full baby duty. But
Speaker 6: once got home, it was very much hey, I have
Speaker 6: not napped today, and it was it all caught up
Speaker 6: to us once we got home and there was nobody
Speaker 6: else to kind of just hey, be an aunt to
Speaker 6: be a grandma, be an uncle pulled the baby for us,
Speaker 6: and it was just hey, dude, I am pissed and
Speaker 6: tired and I'm you know, but now he's sleeping now,
Speaker 6: so that's always good. That's always great when you bring
Speaker 6: me on and there's no baby crying in the background.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I should have thought about that too. I
Speaker 2: didn't even that didn't even great. Way. I don't even
Speaker 2: know how deep is the Roberts family going here. I'm
Speaker 2: always fascinated by people's family.
Speaker 1: I come from a very small family, not just our size,
Speaker 1: you know, because we are quite diminutive.
Speaker 2: Older brother, younger sister, one nephew ninety seven.
Speaker 1: So not a huge not a huge crew over there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's good. I'm glad that we were all able
Speaker 1: to do it. We're all be able to manage it.
Speaker 1: Brought my parents back there, staying at a place a
Speaker 1: couple of bucks away, uh, and then headed back here
Speaker 1: to talk to you will and uh to work with
Speaker 1: you Eric, and we'll end this thing. Because it's longer
Speaker 1: than I expected, and Eric's got to go edit out
Speaker 1: might swear at some point.
Speaker 3: I just I need you to know. Yes, he's in
Speaker 3: the top ten. On you to go, let's go, he's
Speaker 3: at ten, but it's still top ten.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, you know you didn't need to do that.
Speaker 1: You didn't need to do no, but that's still strong
Speaker 1: in the UK. That's that's strong. He had a nice
Speaker 1: show in London, and uh yeah, if you just give
Speaker 1: it the first ten to fifty minutes.
Speaker 2: If you don't like that part, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what's wrong with you. It's pretty hilarious, but you
Speaker 2: probably won't like the rest either. All Right, that is
Speaker 2: it for our show. We are back on Friday, special
Speaker 2: guest with Cynthia Frielan and I. It might be someone
Speaker 2: who is at my Thanksgiving dinner table today who I
Speaker 2: also played tennis with, and thank you will again, thank
Speaker 2: you Eric. Yeah, the season starts at Thanksgiving, right, so
Speaker 2: I guess it's official. Like football is back, it's over.