WEBVTT - Lanterns S1E01

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<v Speaker 1>Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for episode one of Lanterns.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell it was Jasoncepcia and I'm Rosie Night and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to ext revision of the podcast where we dive

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<v Speaker 1>deep in your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop, poker

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<v Speaker 1>company Romaia, where we're bringing you three episodes week less.

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<v Speaker 2>News plus Snooze on Saturday's and in today's episode, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>it's finally here. It's a recap of Lantern's episode one pilot. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we were not enabled to access screeners for this, which

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<v Speaker 2>is why you are getting it after we watched it

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday night just like you, and we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to recap the episode. How do we feel about it?

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of buzz online and we'll be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about where we think the show is going to go next,

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<v Speaker 2>how this establishes.

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<v Speaker 3>Or helps the gun Verse, and what standouts are.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, you may have heard big shocking reveal in this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>so we will be breaking that down too.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's dive into Lanterns. So we open with John Stewart

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<v Speaker 1>as a child. He's with his brothers in the den

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<v Speaker 1>watching sixty Minutes, an episode that is introducing the viewing

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<v Speaker 1>audience of that time to Earth's very first green lantern,

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<v Speaker 1>how Jordan talking about how he saved the Earth from

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<v Speaker 1>a meteorite and all this stuff. He's a very down

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<v Speaker 1>to earth type of guy. Coach Taylor all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>who frames the core as essentially like space cops, which

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<v Speaker 1>is correct. Yeah, and basically says to get in. He

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<v Speaker 1>was asked one question, which is are you afraid we

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<v Speaker 1>learn of how How's dad, a pilot and the military,

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<v Speaker 1>died in a fiery crash when he was a child,

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<v Speaker 1>and that after that he had no fear and so.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course you need to say go to therapyla.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Speaking of which, the sound of a car pulling

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<v Speaker 1>up in the driveway scares John Stewart and his brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>They turn off the TV in a rush, and John's father,

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<v Speaker 1>their father, tough army guy in his army uniform, comes

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<v Speaker 1>home and I'm here to talk about this. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna tell me his real name? And John says

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<v Speaker 1>hal something, and so then John's dad says, Okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do the thing. They go out to the garage,

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<v Speaker 1>stand in front of the garage door, where Dad puts

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<v Speaker 1>a apple fucking William Tell style on John's head and

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<v Speaker 1>then shoots with his side arm the apple off John's head.

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<v Speaker 3>Now ahead, terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>This is show is, you know, wrapped in several layers

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<v Speaker 1>of mystery, clearly framed as who done it? Here's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the whodunnits I have, one of the mysteries I

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<v Speaker 1>have of It's clear to me from this exchange, or

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<v Speaker 1>it suggested to me from this exchange You're gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>me his real name, that Hal and John had met

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<v Speaker 1>by this time, something had happened between them.

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<v Speaker 3>I read it differently, and John is covering for him.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think it is either that or the dad

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<v Speaker 2>is obsessed with Hal Jordan and is like making him

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<v Speaker 2>rewatch the sixty minutes and like watch the ship, and

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<v Speaker 2>is like, and I don't know why John's acting like this,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was some weird like it would make sense

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<v Speaker 2>you're reading. But I was also like, how would they

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<v Speaker 2>have met?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>But like at that at that point, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're you're reading that he's quizzing him on how

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan and using how Jordan almost like a sports dad

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<v Speaker 1>to like, you know, it'd be like a sports dad

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<v Speaker 1>making their watch watch this, watch the Jalen Brunson as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid training videos.

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<v Speaker 3>But then why say why why bring jn No?

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<v Speaker 1>But why say you're gonna tell me his real name?

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<v Speaker 2>I know. That's what I was trying to work out,

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<v Speaker 2>is like, what's the connection here?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it about John?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he think John has a connection to How?

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<v Speaker 3>Because also the other read of this is like the

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<v Speaker 3>dad is.

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<v Speaker 2>Mentally unwell, right, which is like, I think that's meant

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<v Speaker 2>to be the clear read.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think you answer a big question.

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<v Speaker 2>You ask a big important question here, Jason, which is

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<v Speaker 2>this is obviously establishing that either John or John's family

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<v Speaker 2>know more about How before I think he meets him

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<v Speaker 2>than they did. Also, again, I look, I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to say, I know, I'm really glad people are loving this,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I know friends of the show like Amelia Emberwing

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<v Speaker 2>like right as that I love, are really enjoying this.

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<v Speaker 3>But I will tell you, guys, this was exactly my.

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<v Speaker 2>Worry about this show is like do we need a

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<v Speaker 2>green lantern show where like John Stewart's I want to

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<v Speaker 2>put a tip in and just say this is where

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<v Speaker 2>I started to fear that maybe I was right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we fast forward twenty years. Hal picks up John

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<v Speaker 1>in a classic oldmobile with him what.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it sixteen years or something? Joel's fuck it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like it's some large amount of time

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<v Speaker 1>because Hall is now a grown ass Aaron Pierre sized man,

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<v Speaker 1>and excuse me, John is now a grown as Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Peer sized man, and Hall is somewhat more grizzled with

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<v Speaker 1>his hair has gone gray. And he picks up John

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the Spotify offices in downtown Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>Arts District in a classic old mobile, and we learned

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<v Speaker 1>that hallis training with John to take over. He's his backup,

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<v Speaker 1>but clearly John is like dragging his feet in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that is pretty frustrating for John.

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<v Speaker 2>How's dragging his feet because he doesn't really want to

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<v Speaker 2>train John and John hasn't even like won the ring yet,

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<v Speaker 2>and like yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're talking about that. They're heading out of town,

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<v Speaker 1>like on the road, headed towards like Joshua Tree or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and Hal's like, okay, you want to wear the ring.

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<v Speaker 1>He puts the ring on the dashboard and says meet

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<v Speaker 1>me at the taco stand three miles up the road,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he leaps out of the car as the

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<v Speaker 1>car is heading for a ravine. John gets the ring

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<v Speaker 1>on just before the car just gets fucking torn.

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<v Speaker 2>What a waste of a That car is beautiful, like

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<v Speaker 2>it makes me so also as well. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to say this is a great How Jordan introduction, because

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<v Speaker 2>this motherfuckers.

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<v Speaker 3>Always doing some dub shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but this was again very annoying, Like, okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>you've been put in charge. If I'm the Guardians of

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<v Speaker 2>OA and this bitch almost sends my new green lantern

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<v Speaker 2>off the mountain. He's not in charge of training anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like, take this man away.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why I have I'll talk about what I

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<v Speaker 1>think is going on later, Okay. So John walks towards

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<v Speaker 1>the stand and he's fiddling with the ring. The ring activates,

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<v Speaker 1>and the backup of like the uploaded to the cloud

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<v Speaker 1>backup of hol Ai ten years younger than current how

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<v Speaker 1>because Hall has not been updating it regularly as the

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<v Speaker 1>protocol say. He should talks to How and he is

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<v Speaker 1>as surprised as excuse me, talks to John and he

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<v Speaker 1>is young. How is as surprised as anyone that John

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<v Speaker 1>isn't being properly trained. He hasn't even you know worn

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<v Speaker 1>the ring. He doesn't know how to fly. He's walking

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<v Speaker 1>three miles rather than fly. It's very concerning to young

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<v Speaker 1>how young Hal gives current, gives a message to John

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<v Speaker 1>Stewart for his current self. There's Hale in Rushville, Nebraska,

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<v Speaker 1>and when Hal here's this later at the taco shop,

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<v Speaker 1>he flies away in extreme haste. John has to follow

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<v Speaker 1>him to Rushville, Nebraska on a commercial fly crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be calling up them guardians of Oh, like

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck is going on with this old white man?

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<v Speaker 3>Like this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>He follows How to a local high school where there's

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<v Speaker 1>just been just been a mass shooting. Cops are on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. There's a shooting on the football field. There's

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<v Speaker 1>several people down, and we meet the sheriff. Sheriff Kerrie Macon,

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<v Speaker 1>who obviously knows who helps Jordon as he's very famous,

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<v Speaker 1>and is like, why are you here? Don't interfere with

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<v Speaker 1>my investigation. It's clear she's very confident. She knows the town,

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<v Speaker 1>she knows what she's doing, she knows how to invest

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<v Speaker 1>your crime. She's like, there's no aliens involved, you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Also, I want to say, this is really funny

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<v Speaker 2>because this essentially establishes the log line of the show

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<v Speaker 2>that I hadn't realized to this moment, which is like,

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<v Speaker 2>what if you are local cop and instead of the FBI,

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<v Speaker 2>you had like alien cops coming and saying this is

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<v Speaker 2>my jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the pitch, which which makes sense in the concept

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<v Speaker 2>of this show.

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<v Speaker 1>So John is like, yeah, what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 1>And Hal's like, listen, there's I can feel it. There's

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<v Speaker 1>there's aliens involved. Just trust me on this. They're like,

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<v Speaker 1>namely that guy. Look at that guy. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy on the field like acting like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>traumatized witnesses, and maybe he is, but he's just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of down there. John goes down to kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>check the guy out. The sheriff stops him and is like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing. I've already you're gonna go talk

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<v Speaker 1>to that guy. I'm already watching the guy, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you come down here, you're gonna spook the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>I am already watching already taking care of this, so

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<v Speaker 1>don't get involved. And John's like, fuck, I fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the guy runs, so they give chase and

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<v Speaker 1>they catch the guy, but the sheriff won't let Hal

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him. Later, at a bar, Hal tells John

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<v Speaker 1>the backstory of how he got the ring, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the classic comic book Gorgian story with the crashed alien

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<v Speaker 1>and on the verge of death and the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And here is so here is my theory. John basically

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<v Speaker 1>tells how, in not so many words, that he believes

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<v Speaker 1>the crash it wasn't an act accident. It was something

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<v Speaker 1>like fate or a plan or something like. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just he wandered, you know, he happened to bump into

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<v Speaker 1>this crash site, which leads me to believe that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's this show is setting up a much longer play,

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<v Speaker 1>and that John, in a similar way, was led to

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to or met how because how came to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that something about this long range plan or fate

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<v Speaker 1>meant that the two had to meet and have a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship somewhere, because because because how, why not just be

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<v Speaker 1>like stop following me guy, Like I'm not he's not

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<v Speaker 1>training him, he's not doing anything, but he wants him

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<v Speaker 1>around for some reason?

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<v Speaker 3>Is my connection? So I this is my theory.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that it's because John thinks. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's because How thinks John is his fate. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's the oha Gotti have told How he has

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<v Speaker 2>to do this and he doesn't want to, and he

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<v Speaker 2>sees John as like someone who's going to replace him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't want to give him the ring. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why I think that's why I think the major conflict

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<v Speaker 2>of this season is going to be because otherwise, why

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<v Speaker 2>there's net Like why first of all, is there even

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<v Speaker 2>two green lanterns unless we're adapting like a like a

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<v Speaker 2>Grandmarson's green lantern thing, like they wanted to establish this

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<v Speaker 2>so they could have a white green lantern mentor that's

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<v Speaker 2>what it feels like to me. So I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the idea is like I think John is the one

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<v Speaker 2>who has the connection to How, and I think How

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<v Speaker 2>is the one who is being forced into the connection.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my that's my gut at this point, but we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the fate is more about John's own self worth,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, How's own self worth, Like he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>just think the aliens chose him.

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<v Speaker 3>He thinks that's what's meant to happen, like in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this is going to be about the

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<v Speaker 2>aliens and why they choose, which we've never really talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, It will be interesting to find out what How

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<v Speaker 1>and John's relationship True was, because it's I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>clear to me, or it seems like that suggests to

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<v Speaker 1>me that they have interacted back when John was a child. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he tells John, how does that listen? I've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>this a long time. I'm the first ever green lantern

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<v Speaker 1>from Earth. If my gut says that guy's an alien,

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<v Speaker 1>that guy's a fucking alien, I'm gonna follow it. So

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<v Speaker 1>just back me up and just watch what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also constantly selecting the same song in the jukebox,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to annoy the locals, and John quickly realizes he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get himself thrown in jail so he can

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the guy, the guy who led the football field.

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<v Speaker 2>If you again, now this might be to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the true detective, like real detective element of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, if you're a green lantern, you could just

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<v Speaker 2>break into the jail ber like, like not even hard,

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<v Speaker 2>like just will yourself like a doorway and just open

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<v Speaker 2>a door into the man's cell.

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<v Speaker 3>Like from the outside. It's like I think that to me. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>I love Green Lantern, so this is also my problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like the way that they're trying to construct,

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<v Speaker 2>like why not use the ring.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you could just be like a jucky guy in

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<v Speaker 3>a ball like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He also speak to me.

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<v Speaker 1>He also says, like the whole thing about being a

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<v Speaker 1>Green Lantern is you've got this weapon of mass destruction

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<v Speaker 1>on your finger, and you've got to decide when to

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<v Speaker 1>use it and when not to use it, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of this. I mean, Joelle and I were discussing previously

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<v Speaker 1>before returning the mics, like they turned you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>is corruption in the Green Lantern cores, or there are

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<v Speaker 1>cops like any others when that when the Green Lantern

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<v Speaker 1>books want to get political with it exactly it all

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<v Speaker 1>of which leads me to believe that how is investigating

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to find out that the Green Lantern Corp.

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<v Speaker 1>Is corrupt in some way. He's not using the ring

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<v Speaker 1>that much because he doesn't trust this it does. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't trust it. It seems something he doesn't want I

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put it on until well he knows that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm into this safe to put it on I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's trying to root out whatever this thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I think is going.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a good read, and I fucking hope that's

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<v Speaker 2>where the show is good.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll see. Maybe it might be they were writing

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<v Speaker 1>a better show. Actually never know, you never never know. Anyway, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Hal gets his way, he gets beat up, and while

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<v Speaker 1>that's going on, John Stewart starts spitting game at this

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<v Speaker 1>lady at the bar about yeah, yeah, I'm the I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the backup lantern, this, that and the other, and she's like, crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go fucking my truck.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, I feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're Aaron Pierre, like you don't need to tell

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<v Speaker 2>that your backup superhero in the DC universe. That's like

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<v Speaker 2>lowering your levels of like appeal, honestly, Like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of those my guy. But yeah, obviously had to

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<v Speaker 2>have some sex here because it's Aaron Pierre. He's hot,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's HBO.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I was in a strange town,

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<v Speaker 1>single guy and like I'm backing up Aquaman, I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Aquaman's.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think you'd pull it out? I try, like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm alad.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like when he's when he's underwater or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>for long period. Okay, you do make a good brand

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<v Speaker 1>based represented.

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<v Speaker 2>I think something that I I think you're right, Jason,

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<v Speaker 2>like something I guess I'm kind of like not used

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<v Speaker 2>to that this pilot doesn't fully immerse me in is

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of established universe where how Jordan is essentially

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<v Speaker 2>like a famous celebrity but also like the face of

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<v Speaker 2>like a out of planet government.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of like but works alongside our government. So you're

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<v Speaker 3>right in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying your green Landin's backup is like saying you're Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Pattinson's stand in, Like it probably is going to get you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's pretty cool, right, Yeah. Anyway, Sheriff Making meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>had realized that Hell was just trying to meet the

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<v Speaker 1>guy in jail, and so she had him put in

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<v Speaker 1>a closet so he could copy die and then she

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<v Speaker 1>takes him to his arraignment at the local courthouse, where

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly kind of slick but also seemingly nice guy lawyer Billy,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the Sheriff's husband, just out of the goodness

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<v Speaker 1>of his heart, is like I'm gonna represent you and

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<v Speaker 1>ends up getting how like out of trouble more or less,

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<v Speaker 1>and Hal is like, you know, I don't know. When

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<v Speaker 1>somebody gives me free legal help or gives me something

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<v Speaker 1>for free that's worth tens of thousands of dollars, usually

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<v Speaker 1>I think that guy's a bad guy. And Billy's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not a bad guy. I just want you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my dad is a big fan of yours,

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<v Speaker 1>big fan of the Green Lantern Corps. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>pay us by back by having dinner with us at

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<v Speaker 1>the family ranch. Again, my dad's a huge.

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<v Speaker 3>Fan favorite of reveal of the whole episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this was where I was like, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is doing something kind of Watchman level interesting, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>thought this was the big hook that made me intrigued.

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<v Speaker 1>So they drive up there. Billy Macon played by Jason Ridder,

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful Jason Ridder. I'm going to talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about him so much. What the how the age ranges

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<v Speaker 1>here work anyway, because this family is so close together

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<v Speaker 1>all in age.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense if you know the actors

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<v Speaker 2>ages the rid So the.

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<v Speaker 1>Ranch is full of militia type guys with AR fifteen's,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like white to a yellowstone look and they

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<v Speaker 1>meet will Macon, the patriarch, father of Billy, father in

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<v Speaker 1>law of Sheriff Carry and he's like chopping up this

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<v Speaker 1>like huge steaks of some sort of like buffalo or

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<v Speaker 1>fucking tower whatever, and he you know, Hall and John

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<v Speaker 1>meet him and he's like, Hey, don't worry, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>tofu steaks for you. And it's clear what he's saying is, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I've studied you guys, like I've read.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, we know you what you can eat, what you

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<v Speaker 2>can't eat.

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<v Speaker 3>And also I would say, as.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there is like an implication here, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>you and Joe were kind of talking about what this

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<v Speaker 2>statement means when I joined pre pro. But like there's

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<v Speaker 2>also the soy boy implication. This kind of like that

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<v Speaker 2>it's very heavily weighted. But I do think the first

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<v Speaker 2>point of it is to say I know you, I

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<v Speaker 2>know what you eat, I know you're feeding, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Know your habits.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think the writers room understood what they

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<v Speaker 2>sure like that clarif there's like there's the double edged

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<v Speaker 2>lord of it side of it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is to let you know he's like the shitty

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<v Speaker 2>Texas batman, like he has a file on Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 1>Although you played by Garret Dilla Hunt, who I will

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<v Speaker 1>say plays it. He does it. He delivers it very straight,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're right, he delivers it straight and dry in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that clearly John and the audience is meant

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<v Speaker 1>to wonder, like, what's he really saying all the time?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly way exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you know, John, and how I'll ask about

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<v Speaker 1>the militia guys, and Will is like, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry about them. It's and by the way, this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't really my ranch, Like I manage it for a guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't talk about who that person.

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<v Speaker 3>Is going to happen, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, like, let's not talk about the militia guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what I'm concerned about. Why I wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's you know, first green lantern over for dinner. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>worried about illegal alien immigration, meaning aliens from another planet

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<v Speaker 1>coming to Earth when they're not invited and potentially taking

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<v Speaker 1>it over from native born humans. And I'm concerned about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And he agrees with Hal that he thinks the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who fled the football field is an advanced team from

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<v Speaker 1>an alien race, and he's like, by the way, I

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<v Speaker 1>can get you, I can pull some strings. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my son's wife is the sheriff, and I can get

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<v Speaker 1>you in a room with the guy to talk to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like in exchange for what? And Will is

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<v Speaker 1>very very vague about that. He basically does.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna owe this man of favor? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to say, I actually think Jason, now

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<v Speaker 2>you've pointed out your theory about how exploring the corruption

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<v Speaker 2>on OAH, if that is the case and that does

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<v Speaker 2>pay off, this is some really nice foreshadowing and kind

0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.199
<v Speaker 2>of echoing of that, because we get to see the

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<v Speaker 2>corruption in this small town Nebraska and how easy it

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<v Speaker 2>is for somebody's friend of the cops to get inside

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of talk to this allegedly you know, dangerous man.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why I think, by the way, Hal hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>backed up in ten years because he he began having

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<v Speaker 1>suspicions ten years ago, and so he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe how who doesn't have the knowledge and.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and he doesn't want the core to know that

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.000
<v Speaker 1>he knows or suspects, which is why he's not been

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<v Speaker 1>backing up. That's just my theory. Anyway, John is outside

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<v Speaker 1>because of all the meat cutting up maybe or just

0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.760
<v Speaker 1>and he's a vegan and he's a vegan, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>teaching the son of Billy and the sheriff how to

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<v Speaker 1>throw a nice tight.

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<v Speaker 3>Spike SI unbelievable through a through.

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<v Speaker 1>A tire, just like they do, you know, just like

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<v Speaker 1>a red blooded American boy. Yeah, And the kids like,

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit, how did you Wow? You really taught me

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<v Speaker 1>how to do it? And John is like, yeah, I

0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.119
<v Speaker 1>learned that technique because my dad used to shoot apples

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<v Speaker 1>off my head, which is you know again, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>insane that you were John child.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so real though, because people always say to me,

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<v Speaker 2>they go, oh wow, your nails real, and I go,

0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.920
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, my mom's second husband. He just used to

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<v Speaker 2>bully the shower me till I still biting my nails, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Sometimes it's just how you learn. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 3>so funny. It's like, John, you abused you that show

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<v Speaker 3>apples off your head? Tell you what good football?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Calm down, child?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we please get some like Gaudian therapy for the

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<v Speaker 2>great lifts?

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<v Speaker 3>Please?

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<v Speaker 1>And so somebody the kids like, oh, Grandma, great wonderful reveal,

0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Hi grandma, And here comes Grandma. John turns around to

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<v Speaker 1>see her and it's the woman John fucked, and so

0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>he's like, damn it. Later we'll make in the Patriarchs.

0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:29.280
<v Speaker 1>As Hal and John are leaving, is like, hey, hope

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<v Speaker 1>you're tofu steaks were seasoned? Well, you know, I'm not,

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's I'm not used to cooking that, and

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:40.359
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, it's delicious, absolutely great, and he says, yeah,

0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's nothing there's nothing more satisfying than eating

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<v Speaker 1>off another man's grill. Huh, which again delivered in that

0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 1>dry style that I think is meant to signal to

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<v Speaker 1>John that hey, I know you fucked my wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And she goes out there and does that shit

0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:56.959
<v Speaker 2>and then tells me was the implication I got, like, well,

0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 2>he's watching either way something.

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<v Speaker 1>So they get back, you know, hallan John are in

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<v Speaker 1>the car and Al's like, what the fuck was that about?

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:04.840
<v Speaker 1>He's like, well, I fucked that guy's.

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<v Speaker 3>And how I was like sick?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, maybe that right next day, Hall interrogates the guy

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<v Speaker 4>as John and Sheriff make and watch this option.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets offlia.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a cut. I mean, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing a solid idea.

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<v Speaker 2>He couldn't get in before, right, and now he went

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<v Speaker 2>to the white militia barbecue and now he's in that interrogated.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that sounds about to be.

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<v Speaker 1>So long story short, this guy is an alien, although

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<v Speaker 1>very very you know, we learn that there are over

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:45.680
<v Speaker 1>a dozen alien species that cannot be cannot be tested

0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 1>for like whatever DNA takes biological MRI, you would never know.

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.359
<v Speaker 1>And so John goes in there, and long story short,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is an alien. He's here on a very

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 1>very important and dangerous mission. That quote concerns the opposite

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 1>of peace, so some thing related to looming whiffs of warfare.

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 1>And eventually the guy tells How that he he starts

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<v Speaker 1>making fun of the lantern oath and then suggests that

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<v Speaker 1>Hal is here on a suicide mission and that How

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<v Speaker 1>wants to die. And then he gets how to admit.

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<v Speaker 1>He basically figures out this guy knows a lot about

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.439
<v Speaker 1>the lanterns and clearly a lot about a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, you didn't take your lantern with you?

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.239
<v Speaker 1>How much charge is left in your ring? Like what

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna do? Like he's and Hal's like, don't worry,

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 1>there's a I can do plenty with the ring. There's

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<v Speaker 1>enough in there. And he's like, yeah, but for how long?

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<v Speaker 1>And the guy admits that you know, he's carrying some

0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of bomb or he has access to some sort

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 1>of explosive weapon. He's making fun of the lantern. Oh oh,

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.120
<v Speaker 1>the darkest night and this and that how gets Matt

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 1>starts throwing the guy around the room. The guy starts

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<v Speaker 1>beeping for fortunately for everyone that this alien explosive device

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.880
<v Speaker 1>beeps before it goes off. Hal throws the guy into

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the corner of the room and then puts a shield

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>around him with the ring. And still the explosion does

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 1>wreck a corner of the building, but everybody survives except

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:12.919
<v Speaker 1>the guy, and How goes to John is like I

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<v Speaker 1>told you so, we fast forward another ten years to

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.879
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six. This is the show is fast forward

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>in thirty years. John now with a goateee.

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<v Speaker 3>This bitch has a soul patch.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got a goatee. Now returns to Nebraska to the

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<v Speaker 1>very same football field where the mass shooting occurred ten

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>years back. Sheriff Macon is there, leads him up into

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.880
<v Speaker 1>the snow covered stands where Hal is sitting in almost

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>a frozen type of variation.

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean true detective types with.

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:52.680
<v Speaker 1>A bullet hole in his head, frozen blood dripping down

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 1>right in his forehead, and his ring missing bombp bump bum.

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<v Speaker 3>Screen is because they kill Jordan at the end. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>we'll get them out of this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a break and we will come back and

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 1>discuss this show, and we are back. I think I

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.159
<v Speaker 1>liked it more than you, but also my you know,

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>we had been discussing the fact that there was the

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 1>people didn't get screener as the press rollout was kind

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>of choppy, and so I had my theory was that

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>they think it's bad, and so I'm surprised that it

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>was solid. I thought it was good.

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a solid pilot.

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I do have issues, which I think of the other

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:50.239
<v Speaker 2>opposite issues, which hilariously like I actually also went in

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 2>with low expectations I have. I feel like the reviews

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>are pretty mixed if you actually read them, but obviously

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>in our community a lot of buzz because this is

0:26:58.240 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 2>a really interesting pilot.

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 3>It's like grim and gritty, it's.

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>About kind of like going back to the home town.

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:05.479
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it has a lot of our favorite

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>tropes My actual biggest takeaway on this episode is I

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 2>just don't I just don't know to me if the

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>quality is there for like an HBO show. I feel

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 2>like it is not the same level as the House

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 2>of the Dragon a Penguin even like a a kind

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>of sort of you know, AMC like BETTERC or Saul

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 2>Breaking Bad, Like there's something here to me that feels

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 2>like this would be such a great broadcast TV show,

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 2>like a like a CW show or when DC launched

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 2>DC Universe. It still feels left over to me from

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>that era. I don't know why it doesn't have the juice.

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:43.480
<v Speaker 2>It feels to me like it's trying to be an

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 2>HBO show. But I will say I will say, like

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 2>many things in this fandom, talking to you about it

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 2>and hearing your reads on it has gotten me more excited.

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I do think, unfortunately, I understand what they're going for here,

0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 2>and I do think having Hall as the victim is

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.959
<v Speaker 2>really cool. But I also just like, too fast forward

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 2>in a in a pilot to get to an in

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 2>media res of like how did we get here? Is

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of I don't know it sing It smacks to

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>me of like a rewritten pilot and not necessarily like

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.640
<v Speaker 2>a I'm interested to where the rest of the show goes.

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I would say that my biggest takeaway is not who

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>killed John, I mean who killed how? So I think

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 2>that in itself becomes kind of an issue because like

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 2>the murder mystery, you need to care.

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 3>But I love your OA corruption idea.

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 2>I do think the white militia is interesting, and that

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 2>is where I'm going to bring up what I fear

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>My true issue is with this show, which is sort

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 2>of not fair, but is fair because of who's involved.

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Damon Lindeloff is involved in this show. He's allegedly, you know,

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>one of the creators alongside Tom King.

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 3>That man has a lot, he's a creator.

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 2>But I would say at this point, five years into

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 2>the show being created, we don't know how much Damon

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Lindeloff or Tom King were involved. Like May King, there's

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>there's writers rooms who are really the ones who are

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 2>like chopping up and making the show right.

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that I don't think it's allegend, I

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>mean no.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Officially created.

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. My understanding of people who have worked with Lindeloff,

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>including on Watchmen, is that like he's very involved, He's

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the writers well, he's not one of these flying once

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>a week.

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 3>And then this is what my biggest question is. I

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 3>have heard many stories from the Watchman writers room.

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 2>It was a as you would imagine, an evocative and

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>emotional time, which is why the show was so fantastic.

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 2>I fear because they worked through a lot of shit

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 2>in the writer's room to put on the screen. I

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>think after you make a show like Watchmen, Damon Lindeloff,

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 2>who I know was had, you know, an incredible team

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 2>of writers on that show, this to me feels like

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>you're trying to do like not as good Watchmen. I

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>just don't think you can be Damon Lindeloff and make

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 2>a show about DC comics where you're not recontextualizing. And

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 2>for me, this is like one again. I knew everyone

0:29:57.640 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 2>who listened to the show knew, but this was going

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>to be a problem for me. Military John Stewart is

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>second tier, like fucking retcon John Stewart, and I.

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Don't know why there always insist on this being.

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>The only version we can see of him, and I

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>think the military dark and gratty for me, of Tom

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 2>King and Damon Lindeloff together, it's just not my vibe.

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>But I do think that Carl Chandler and Aaron Pierre

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 2>are amazing. I'm interested in the white militia angle, and

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I will be obviously like tuning in to see what

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 2>happens next, but I need the alien thread and the

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>small town thread to come together in a way that

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 2>feels like satisfying and makes sense.

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Here are my Yeah, I think I definitely like it

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>more than you because I was. I mean, this to

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>me feels like A at this point. We'll see if

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>this if all the pieces come together, but A at

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>least suggests that this show is going to be interestingly subversive,

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>which true, it's trying of style when he's in this universe,

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>whether it's you know, he did the Ultimate Hulk versus Wolverine,

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>which was interestingly subversive and was also like for I

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 1>think a four or six issue limited series delayed for

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>like two and a half years. It was like last

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>issues like one, two, three came out and then it

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>was like a year and.

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 3>A half two yeah, till the next day anyway, and.

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Then Watchman of course was like very subversive and actually

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 1>like an important television and cultural moment. I do think

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:40.239
<v Speaker 1>that I, I mean, I get the distaste with like

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>the military angle. But it's not like I will say that,

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not like he's it's not like a Paw Patrol

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>take where he's like big up upping the military industrial complex.

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>His army dad was shooting apples off a child's head. Like.

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>It's not like you know, like it's not like rue.

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 3>It's not like ra ra.

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>But I will say contextually the well we meet John

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Stewart with the well we meet John and Allan is

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>a ra ra like the green Lantern works for the

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>government military like kind of that.

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 3>Is the established world.

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>We meet the men, yes, which again I will say

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 2>it feels a little bit derivative from the old Watchman.

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>I feel like a lot of what David Lindolf is

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 2>doing here is stuff he learned on Watchman, but I

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know if he's then elevating it because.

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Like the good news is no one watched Watchmen.

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, isn't that the truth? Sad but also really good.

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Corruption of the audience is not going to pick up

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>any like the double beat.

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Because that's why I never got a second season, which

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't have got. So but yeah, I'm interested to

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>see where it goes.

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 3>I think you're right. I think it's lightly subversive.

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I think my this is a wider issue I'm having

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 2>right now culturally, which is like a lot of what

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 2>we were pushing towards and striving towards over the last

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 2>ten years is now kind of being represented to us

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 2>again in this like twenty sixteen packaging, which is like

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a white guy and a black guy working together and

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>the black guy is also in the military, and like

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>it's I just I feel like there was a time

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>when we were pushing for so much more than like

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>grim and gritty cop stories with diversity, and I feel

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 2>like this is kind of a return back to that.

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's pretty good for a DC project,

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Like it's definitely better than Supergirl, like the quality. Wise,

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 2>they needed a hit, and I do think that this

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>at least has the fans more excited.

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I would be shocked if this was a hit. I

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>think I would be shocked if this was as acclaimed

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 1>indoor popular as the Penguin.

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 3>No that says it's not gonna get on me, M

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 3>and A.

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I think it's pretty good and if it does, and

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>if it does follow this kind of the uh, you know,

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the Green Lantern core is compromise kind of thread that

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it's doing. Then, I don't know, that's kind

0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>of it. That's pretty good to me because here's I mean,

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the main question I have after the after the credits rolled,

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, so John has never put the ring on

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 1>for it?

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 3>How to him?

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:11.919
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm that he can't have done.

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 1>He can't have done because there's that's the ring.

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that was also what I want to know

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 2>is like, so what happened after that? Like did John

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>just go off on his own? Did John choose not

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.360
<v Speaker 2>to be a lantern after he he does have a

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 2>go tee now, so maybe he became an architect in

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>my dreams. But yeah, I am definitely interested to see

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 2>where they go with that because the tenure time difference

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:38.720
<v Speaker 2>is kind of huge.

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Also, what does this mean for the show going forward?

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Is there a lot of.

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Chandlers still in the show? I believe there probably

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>will be in either flashbacks or hey.

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 3>I how yeah right, yeah.

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.879
<v Speaker 2>But I'm excited to see this new version of John

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Stewart and kind of how he works and also will

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>this is John Stewart there not only as part of

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the Sheriff's investigation, which First of all, how is she

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 2>still the sheriff when her husband's dad is like sending

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>people to fucking blow up the prison by doing like

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:13.800
<v Speaker 2>illegal investigations with aliens. But sure small town policing, I guess,

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 2>But like I am interested to know, like what is

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 2>in that ten years between Why are weren't Hale and

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:21.240
<v Speaker 2>John working together?

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 3>How is the Greenland and perceived? Now?

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Like was John copp that entire time or has he

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 2>gone back there because mcconnor's called him back and been like, oh,

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.239
<v Speaker 2>can you come and check this out because your partner died?

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 2>Did how become like a crazy introvert who hit the ring?

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 2>And also is John there because the OA Guardians have

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 2>actually asked him to go and try and find the

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 2>ring because.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.919
<v Speaker 3>It was stolen? That's what I think, maybe.

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Kind of secondary intrigue. I also feel like after the

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.919
<v Speaker 2>first episode, second episode, we've got to learn more about

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 2>John's dad and his connections.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had one big criticism of the show, you

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<v Speaker 1>know which, again.

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<v Speaker 3>I liked it's pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I did like, uh, I think more than most you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Extra Division crew in general, I wanted more like

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<v Speaker 1>who is John Stewart?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And I I've watched a good amount of Aaron Pierrre

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, and I think he's an incredible screen presence,

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<v Speaker 1>a very like magnetic physical presence. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>he's the guy who's going to deliver an emotional range,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is just something I'm watching going forward in

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<v Speaker 1>this show.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's a great action star essentially, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see what I But.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that I do think that a more

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<v Speaker 1>that that, a more a motive actor might have given

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit more of a window into who

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<v Speaker 1>the guy is, because the host feels like a mystery

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and I think part of that might be

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<v Speaker 1>that Iran pier is just in this very tight emotional

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<v Speaker 1>bandwidth as a performer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I also do wonder as well, like I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 2>that the act the writing can give him more chances

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<v Speaker 2>because so far, if you think about what we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>him in, especially, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, you're, uh, what was it called? Not Ruby Ridge?

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby? Well, yeah, not Ruby Ridge, but not Ruby Ridge,

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<v Speaker 2>but named after the real you know, not named after

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<v Speaker 2>the real Obviously, the implication of the name was there.

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<v Speaker 3>After seeing him in that you know that's.

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<v Speaker 2>A very streamlined, kind of classical action performance.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's Clint Eastwood.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the it's that not thing, kind of like you're

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<v Speaker 2>an avatar for the the everyman. We need to see

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<v Speaker 2>him written in a way that tells us more about

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<v Speaker 2>who he is. I'm hoping episode two is a John

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<v Speaker 2>Bottle episode telling.

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<v Speaker 1>Us right now that How's kind of been pushed aside

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<v Speaker 1>and we're just gonna get younger ai How. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you because I was thinking a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>Rebel Ridge, because I kind of felt like you could

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<v Speaker 1>take any scene from Rebel Ridge and drop his performance

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<v Speaker 1>into this show and it would and you'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same guy again. And I'm not saying that's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think, honestly, I think that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>appeal is I think they saw Rebel Ridge and they went.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, well, if this guy was John Stewart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm fine, I'm not saying that's bad. Like

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, like Eastwood was basically Clint Eastwood in

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<v Speaker 1>every single movie, But I did find myself wanting more

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<v Speaker 1>from who is John Stewart? What's going on inside his head?

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<v Speaker 1>How did he feel about getting apples? Shot off his head.

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<v Speaker 1>Why isn't he more like pissed off at how for

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<v Speaker 1>being such a dick to um like over what is

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<v Speaker 1>clearly like the course of like many months when he's

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<v Speaker 1>suppress training him. And I felt like you didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>get it. You didn't really feel if he's frustrated or not.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just kind of taking it all in stride. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I wanted more and hopefully and I think you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>we will get truly get more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we have to, right, we have to. We need it.

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<v Speaker 3>They gona tell us more about these men well.

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<v Speaker 1>Will be continuing to keep an eye on Lanterns as

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<v Speaker 1>the season goes forward. On the next episode of X

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<v Speaker 1>ray Vision, we're diving into stuff. That's it for this

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<v Speaker 1>episode that X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Our executive producers a Joe Alminique and Aaron Coleman.

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<v Speaker 1>Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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<v Speaker 2>Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 3>And Fay Wag.

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