Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for episode one of Lanterns.
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Speaker 2: News plus Snooze on Saturday's and in today's episode, guys,
Speaker 2: it's finally here. It's a recap of Lantern's episode one pilot. Now,
Speaker 2: we were not enabled to access screeners for this, which
Speaker 2: is why you are getting it after we watched it
Speaker 2: on Sunday night just like you, and we are going
Speaker 2: to recap the episode. How do we feel about it?
Speaker 2: There's a lot of buzz online and we'll be talking
Speaker 2: about where we think the show is going to go next,
Speaker 2: how this establishes.
Speaker 3: Or helps the gun Verse, and what standouts are.
Speaker 2: Plus, you may have heard big shocking reveal in this episode,
Speaker 2: so we will be breaking that down too.
Speaker 1: Let's dive into Lanterns. So we open with John Stewart
Speaker 1: as a child. He's with his brothers in the den
Speaker 1: watching sixty Minutes, an episode that is introducing the viewing
Speaker 1: audience of that time to Earth's very first green lantern,
Speaker 1: how Jordan talking about how he saved the Earth from
Speaker 1: a meteorite and all this stuff. He's a very down
Speaker 1: to earth type of guy. Coach Taylor all of that,
Speaker 1: who frames the core as essentially like space cops, which
Speaker 1: is correct. Yeah, and basically says to get in. He
Speaker 1: was asked one question, which is are you afraid we
Speaker 1: learn of how How's dad, a pilot and the military,
Speaker 1: died in a fiery crash when he was a child,
Speaker 1: and that after that he had no fear and so.
Speaker 3: Of course you need to say go to therapyla.
Speaker 1: Yes. Speaking of which, the sound of a car pulling
Speaker 1: up in the driveway scares John Stewart and his brothers.
Speaker 1: They turn off the TV in a rush, and John's father,
Speaker 1: their father, tough army guy in his army uniform, comes
Speaker 1: home and I'm here to talk about this. He says,
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me his real name? And John says
Speaker 1: hal something, and so then John's dad says, Okay, we
Speaker 1: gotta do the thing. They go out to the garage,
Speaker 1: stand in front of the garage door, where Dad puts
Speaker 1: a apple fucking William Tell style on John's head and
Speaker 1: then shoots with his side arm the apple off John's head.
Speaker 3: Now ahead, terrible.
Speaker 1: This is show is, you know, wrapped in several layers
Speaker 1: of mystery, clearly framed as who done it? Here's one
Speaker 1: of the whodunnits I have, one of the mysteries I
Speaker 1: have of It's clear to me from this exchange, or
Speaker 1: it suggested to me from this exchange You're gonna tell
Speaker 1: me his real name, that Hal and John had met
Speaker 1: by this time, something had happened between them.
Speaker 3: I read it differently, and John is covering for him.
Speaker 2: No, I think it is either that or the dad
Speaker 2: is obsessed with Hal Jordan and is like making him
Speaker 2: rewatch the sixty minutes and like watch the ship, and
Speaker 2: is like, and I don't know why John's acting like this,
Speaker 2: but there was some weird like it would make sense
Speaker 2: you're reading. But I was also like, how would they
Speaker 2: have met?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: But like at that at that point, right.
Speaker 1: But you're you're reading that he's quizzing him on how
Speaker 1: Jordan and using how Jordan almost like a sports dad
Speaker 1: to like, you know, it'd be like a sports dad
Speaker 1: making their watch watch this, watch the Jalen Brunson as
Speaker 1: a kid training videos.
Speaker 3: But then why say why why bring jn No?
Speaker 1: But why say you're gonna tell me his real name?
Speaker 2: I know. That's what I was trying to work out,
Speaker 2: is like, what's the connection here?
Speaker 3: Is it about John?
Speaker 2: Does he think John has a connection to How?
Speaker 3: Because also the other read of this is like the
Speaker 3: dad is.
Speaker 2: Mentally unwell, right, which is like, I think that's meant
Speaker 2: to be the clear read.
Speaker 3: But I do think you answer a big question.
Speaker 2: You ask a big important question here, Jason, which is
Speaker 2: this is obviously establishing that either John or John's family
Speaker 2: know more about How before I think he meets him
Speaker 2: than they did. Also, again, I look, I just want
Speaker 2: to say, I know, I'm really glad people are loving this,
Speaker 2: Like I know friends of the show like Amelia Emberwing
Speaker 2: like right as that I love, are really enjoying this.
Speaker 3: But I will tell you, guys, this was exactly my.
Speaker 2: Worry about this show is like do we need a
Speaker 2: green lantern show where like John Stewart's I want to
Speaker 2: put a tip in and just say this is where
Speaker 2: I started to fear that maybe I was right.
Speaker 1: Okay, we fast forward twenty years. Hal picks up John
Speaker 1: in a classic oldmobile with him what.
Speaker 3: Is it sixteen years or something? Joel's fuck it.
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's some large amount of time
Speaker 1: because Hall is now a grown ass Aaron Pierre sized man,
Speaker 1: and excuse me, John is now a grown as Aaron
Speaker 1: Peer sized man, and Hall is somewhat more grizzled with
Speaker 1: his hair has gone gray. And he picks up John
Speaker 1: in front of the Spotify offices in downtown Los Angeles
Speaker 1: Arts District in a classic old mobile, and we learned
Speaker 1: that hallis training with John to take over. He's his backup,
Speaker 1: but clearly John is like dragging his feet in a
Speaker 1: way that is pretty frustrating for John.
Speaker 2: How's dragging his feet because he doesn't really want to
Speaker 2: train John and John hasn't even like won the ring yet,
Speaker 2: and like yeah.
Speaker 1: So they're talking about that. They're heading out of town,
Speaker 1: like on the road, headed towards like Joshua Tree or something,
Speaker 1: and Hal's like, okay, you want to wear the ring.
Speaker 1: He puts the ring on the dashboard and says meet
Speaker 1: me at the taco stand three miles up the road,
Speaker 1: and then he leaps out of the car as the
Speaker 1: car is heading for a ravine. John gets the ring
Speaker 1: on just before the car just gets fucking torn.
Speaker 2: What a waste of a That car is beautiful, like
Speaker 2: it makes me so also as well. I just want
Speaker 2: to say this is a great How Jordan introduction, because
Speaker 2: this motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Always doing some dub shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this was again very annoying, Like, okay, so
Speaker 2: you've been put in charge. If I'm the Guardians of
Speaker 2: OA and this bitch almost sends my new green lantern
Speaker 2: off the mountain. He's not in charge of training anymore,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, take this man away.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I have I'll talk about what I
Speaker 1: think is going on later, Okay. So John walks towards
Speaker 1: the stand and he's fiddling with the ring. The ring activates,
Speaker 1: and the backup of like the uploaded to the cloud
Speaker 1: backup of hol Ai ten years younger than current how
Speaker 1: because Hall has not been updating it regularly as the
Speaker 1: protocol say. He should talks to How and he is
Speaker 1: as surprised as excuse me, talks to John and he
Speaker 1: is young. How is as surprised as anyone that John
Speaker 1: isn't being properly trained. He hasn't even you know worn
Speaker 1: the ring. He doesn't know how to fly. He's walking
Speaker 1: three miles rather than fly. It's very concerning to young
Speaker 1: how young Hal gives current, gives a message to John
Speaker 1: Stewart for his current self. There's Hale in Rushville, Nebraska,
Speaker 1: and when Hal here's this later at the taco shop,
Speaker 1: he flies away in extreme haste. John has to follow
Speaker 1: him to Rushville, Nebraska on a commercial fly crazy.
Speaker 3: I would be calling up them guardians of Oh, like
Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on with this old white man?
Speaker 3: Like this is crazy.
Speaker 1: He follows How to a local high school where there's
Speaker 1: just been just been a mass shooting. Cops are on
Speaker 1: the scene. There's a shooting on the football field. There's
Speaker 1: several people down, and we meet the sheriff. Sheriff Kerrie Macon,
Speaker 1: who obviously knows who helps Jordon as he's very famous,
Speaker 1: and is like, why are you here? Don't interfere with
Speaker 1: my investigation. It's clear she's very confident. She knows the town,
Speaker 1: she knows what she's doing, she knows how to invest
Speaker 1: your crime. She's like, there's no aliens involved, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: even be here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, I want to say, this is really funny
Speaker 2: because this essentially establishes the log line of the show
Speaker 2: that I hadn't realized to this moment, which is like,
Speaker 2: what if you are local cop and instead of the FBI,
Speaker 2: you had like alien cops coming and saying this is
Speaker 2: my jurisdiction.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind.
Speaker 2: Of the pitch, which which makes sense in the concept
Speaker 2: of this show.
Speaker 1: So John is like, yeah, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: And Hal's like, listen, there's I can feel it. There's
Speaker 1: there's aliens involved. Just trust me on this. They're like,
Speaker 1: namely that guy. Look at that guy. And there's a
Speaker 1: guy on the field like acting like one of the
Speaker 1: traumatized witnesses, and maybe he is, but he's just kind
Speaker 1: of down there. John goes down to kind of like
Speaker 1: check the guy out. The sheriff stops him and is like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing. I've already you're gonna go talk
Speaker 1: to that guy. I'm already watching the guy, and if
Speaker 1: you come down here, you're gonna spook the guy who
Speaker 1: I am already watching already taking care of this, so
Speaker 1: don't get involved. And John's like, fuck, I fucked up.
Speaker 1: And then the guy runs, so they give chase and
Speaker 1: they catch the guy, but the sheriff won't let Hal
Speaker 1: talk to him. Later, at a bar, Hal tells John
Speaker 1: the backstory of how he got the ring, which is
Speaker 1: the classic comic book Gorgian story with the crashed alien
Speaker 1: and on the verge of death and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And here is so here is my theory. John basically
Speaker 1: tells how, in not so many words, that he believes
Speaker 1: the crash it wasn't an act accident. It was something
Speaker 1: like fate or a plan or something like. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just he wandered, you know, he happened to bump into
Speaker 1: this crash site, which leads me to believe that maybe
Speaker 1: there's this show is setting up a much longer play,
Speaker 1: and that John, in a similar way, was led to
Speaker 1: reached out to or met how because how came to
Speaker 1: believe that something about this long range plan or fate
Speaker 1: meant that the two had to meet and have a
Speaker 1: relationship somewhere, because because because how, why not just be
Speaker 1: like stop following me guy, Like I'm not he's not
Speaker 1: training him, he's not doing anything, but he wants him
Speaker 1: around for some reason?
Speaker 3: Is my connection? So I this is my theory.
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's because John thinks. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's because How thinks John is his fate. I
Speaker 2: think it's the oha Gotti have told How he has
Speaker 2: to do this and he doesn't want to, and he
Speaker 2: sees John as like someone who's going to replace him,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to give him the ring. That's
Speaker 2: why I think that's why I think the major conflict
Speaker 2: of this season is going to be because otherwise, why
Speaker 2: there's net Like why first of all, is there even
Speaker 2: two green lanterns unless we're adapting like a like a
Speaker 2: Grandmarson's green lantern thing, like they wanted to establish this
Speaker 2: so they could have a white green lantern mentor that's
Speaker 2: what it feels like to me. So I think that
Speaker 2: the idea is like I think John is the one
Speaker 2: who has the connection to How, and I think How
Speaker 2: is the one who is being forced into the connection.
Speaker 3: That's my that's my gut at this point, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: I think the fate is more about John's own self worth,
Speaker 2: Like I mean, How's own self worth, Like he doesn't
Speaker 2: just think the aliens chose him.
Speaker 3: He thinks that's what's meant to happen, like in the universe.
Speaker 2: And I think this is going to be about the
Speaker 2: aliens and why they choose, which we've never really talked about.
Speaker 1: Right, It will be interesting to find out what How
Speaker 1: and John's relationship True was, because it's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: clear to me, or it seems like that suggests to
Speaker 1: me that they have interacted back when John was a child. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he tells John, how does that listen? I've been doing
Speaker 1: this a long time. I'm the first ever green lantern
Speaker 1: from Earth. If my gut says that guy's an alien,
Speaker 1: that guy's a fucking alien, I'm gonna follow it. So
Speaker 1: just back me up and just watch what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: He's also constantly selecting the same song in the jukebox,
Speaker 1: trying to annoy the locals, and John quickly realizes he's
Speaker 1: trying to get himself thrown in jail so he can
Speaker 1: talk to the guy, the guy who led the football field.
Speaker 2: If you again, now this might be to do with
Speaker 2: the true detective, like real detective element of it. I
Speaker 2: feel like, if you're a green lantern, you could just
Speaker 2: break into the jail ber like, like not even hard,
Speaker 2: like just will yourself like a doorway and just open
Speaker 2: a door into the man's cell.
Speaker 3: Like from the outside. It's like I think that to me. Again,
Speaker 3: I love Green Lantern, so this is also my problem.
Speaker 2: I think, like the way that they're trying to construct,
Speaker 2: like why not use the ring.
Speaker 3: Well you could just be like a jucky guy in
Speaker 3: a ball like that.
Speaker 2: He also speak to me.
Speaker 1: He also says, like the whole thing about being a
Speaker 1: Green Lantern is you've got this weapon of mass destruction
Speaker 1: on your finger, and you've got to decide when to
Speaker 1: use it and when not to use it, and all
Speaker 1: of this. I mean, Joelle and I were discussing previously
Speaker 1: before returning the mics, like they turned you know, there
Speaker 1: is corruption in the Green Lantern cores, or there are
Speaker 1: cops like any others when that when the Green Lantern
Speaker 1: books want to get political with it exactly it all
Speaker 1: of which leads me to believe that how is investigating
Speaker 1: We're going to find out that the Green Lantern Corp.
Speaker 1: Is corrupt in some way. He's not using the ring
Speaker 1: that much because he doesn't trust this it does. He
Speaker 1: doesn't trust it. It seems something he doesn't want I
Speaker 1: trying to put it on until well he knows that
Speaker 1: I'm into this safe to put it on I like that.
Speaker 1: So he's trying to root out whatever this thing is.
Speaker 1: That's what I think is going.
Speaker 2: That's such a good read, and I fucking hope that's
Speaker 2: where the show is good.
Speaker 1: But we'll see. Maybe it might be they were writing
Speaker 1: a better show. Actually never know, you never never know. Anyway, Uh,
Speaker 1: Hal gets his way, he gets beat up, and while
Speaker 1: that's going on, John Stewart starts spitting game at this
Speaker 1: lady at the bar about yeah, yeah, I'm the I'm
Speaker 1: the backup lantern, this, that and the other, and she's like, crazy,
Speaker 1: let's go fucking my truck.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I feel like.
Speaker 2: If you're Aaron Pierre, like you don't need to tell
Speaker 2: that your backup superhero in the DC universe. That's like
Speaker 2: lowering your levels of like appeal, honestly, Like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of those my guy. But yeah, obviously had to
Speaker 2: have some sex here because it's Aaron Pierre. He's hot,
Speaker 2: and it's HBO.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was in a strange town,
Speaker 1: single guy and like I'm backing up Aquaman, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm Aquaman's.
Speaker 3: Do you think you'd pull it out? I try, like
Speaker 3: I'm alad.
Speaker 1: You know, like when he's when he's underwater or whatever
Speaker 1: for long period. Okay, you do make a good brand
Speaker 1: based represented.
Speaker 2: I think something that I I think you're right, Jason,
Speaker 2: like something I guess I'm kind of like not used
Speaker 2: to that this pilot doesn't fully immerse me in is
Speaker 2: this kind of established universe where how Jordan is essentially
Speaker 2: like a famous celebrity but also like the face of
Speaker 2: like a out of planet government.
Speaker 3: Kind of like but works alongside our government. So you're
Speaker 3: right in this world.
Speaker 2: Saying your green Landin's backup is like saying you're Robert
Speaker 2: Pattinson's stand in, Like it probably is going to get you.
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty cool, right, Yeah. Anyway, Sheriff Making meanwhile,
Speaker 1: had realized that Hell was just trying to meet the
Speaker 1: guy in jail, and so she had him put in
Speaker 1: a closet so he could copy die and then she
Speaker 1: takes him to his arraignment at the local courthouse, where
Speaker 1: suddenly kind of slick but also seemingly nice guy lawyer Billy,
Speaker 1: who is the Sheriff's husband, just out of the goodness
Speaker 1: of his heart, is like I'm gonna represent you and
Speaker 1: ends up getting how like out of trouble more or less,
Speaker 1: and Hal is like, you know, I don't know. When
Speaker 1: somebody gives me free legal help or gives me something
Speaker 1: for free that's worth tens of thousands of dollars, usually
Speaker 1: I think that guy's a bad guy. And Billy's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm not a bad guy. I just want you.
Speaker 1: You know, my dad is a big fan of yours,
Speaker 1: big fan of the Green Lantern Corps. And you can
Speaker 1: pay us by back by having dinner with us at
Speaker 1: the family ranch. Again, my dad's a huge.
Speaker 3: Fan favorite of reveal of the whole episode.
Speaker 2: I think this was where I was like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is doing something kind of Watchman level interesting, Like I
Speaker 2: thought this was the big hook that made me intrigued.
Speaker 1: So they drive up there. Billy Macon played by Jason Ridder,
Speaker 1: wonderful Jason Ridder. I'm going to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about him so much. What the how the age ranges
Speaker 1: here work anyway, because this family is so close together
Speaker 1: all in age.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense if you know the actors
Speaker 2: ages the rid So the.
Speaker 1: Ranch is full of militia type guys with AR fifteen's,
Speaker 1: you know, like white to a yellowstone look and they
Speaker 1: meet will Macon, the patriarch, father of Billy, father in
Speaker 1: law of Sheriff Carry and he's like chopping up this
Speaker 1: like huge steaks of some sort of like buffalo or
Speaker 1: fucking tower whatever, and he you know, Hall and John
Speaker 1: meet him and he's like, Hey, don't worry, I've got
Speaker 1: tofu steaks for you. And it's clear what he's saying is, hey,
Speaker 1: I've studied you guys, like I've read.
Speaker 2: Like, we know you what you can eat, what you
Speaker 2: can't eat.
Speaker 3: And also I would say, as.
Speaker 2: Well, there is like an implication here, and I think
Speaker 2: you and Joe were kind of talking about what this
Speaker 2: statement means when I joined pre pro. But like there's
Speaker 2: also the soy boy implication. This kind of like that
Speaker 2: it's very heavily weighted. But I do think the first
Speaker 2: point of it is to say I know you, I
Speaker 2: know what you eat, I know you're feeding, I.
Speaker 3: Know your habits.
Speaker 2: But I also think the writers room understood what they
Speaker 2: sure like that clarif there's like there's the double edged
Speaker 2: lord of it side of it.
Speaker 3: But I do think you're right.
Speaker 2: This is to let you know he's like the shitty
Speaker 2: Texas batman, like he has a file on Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Although you played by Garret Dilla Hunt, who I will
Speaker 1: say plays it. He does it. He delivers it very straight,
Speaker 1: but you're right, he delivers it straight and dry in
Speaker 1: a way that clearly John and the audience is meant
Speaker 1: to wonder, like, what's he really saying all the time?
Speaker 3: Exactly way exactly.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, John, and how I'll ask about
Speaker 1: the militia guys, and Will is like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: don't worry about them. It's and by the way, this
Speaker 1: isn't really my ranch, Like I manage it for a guy,
Speaker 1: but I can't talk about who that person.
Speaker 3: Is going to happen, right.
Speaker 1: And he says, like, let's not talk about the militia guys.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm concerned about. Why I wanted to have
Speaker 1: Earth's you know, first green lantern over for dinner. I'm
Speaker 1: worried about illegal alien immigration, meaning aliens from another planet
Speaker 1: coming to Earth when they're not invited and potentially taking
Speaker 1: it over from native born humans. And I'm concerned about that.
Speaker 1: And he agrees with Hal that he thinks the guy
Speaker 1: who fled the football field is an advanced team from
Speaker 1: an alien race, and he's like, by the way, I
Speaker 1: can get you, I can pull some strings. You know,
Speaker 1: my son's wife is the sheriff, and I can get
Speaker 1: you in a room with the guy to talk to him,
Speaker 1: and they're like in exchange for what? And Will is
Speaker 1: very very vague about that. He basically does.
Speaker 3: You're gonna owe this man of favor? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Clearly.
Speaker 2: I also want to say, I actually think Jason, now
Speaker 2: you've pointed out your theory about how exploring the corruption
Speaker 2: on OAH, if that is the case and that does
Speaker 2: pay off, this is some really nice foreshadowing and kind
Speaker 2: of echoing of that, because we get to see the
Speaker 2: corruption in this small town Nebraska and how easy it
Speaker 2: is for somebody's friend of the cops to get inside
Speaker 2: and kind of talk to this allegedly you know, dangerous man.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I think, by the way, Hal hasn't
Speaker 1: backed up in ten years because he he began having
Speaker 1: suspicions ten years ago, and so he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Maybe how who doesn't have the knowledge and.
Speaker 1: Right and he doesn't want the core to know that
Speaker 1: he knows or suspects, which is why he's not been
Speaker 1: backing up. That's just my theory. Anyway, John is outside
Speaker 1: because of all the meat cutting up maybe or just
Speaker 1: and he's a vegan and he's a vegan, and he's
Speaker 1: teaching the son of Billy and the sheriff how to
Speaker 1: throw a nice tight.
Speaker 3: Spike SI unbelievable through a through.
Speaker 1: A tire, just like they do, you know, just like
Speaker 1: a red blooded American boy. Yeah, And the kids like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, how did you Wow? You really taught me
Speaker 1: how to do it? And John is like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: learned that technique because my dad used to shoot apples
Speaker 1: off my head, which is you know again, it's so
Speaker 1: insane that you were John child.
Speaker 2: This is so real though, because people always say to me,
Speaker 2: they go, oh wow, your nails real, and I go,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, my mom's second husband. He just used to
Speaker 2: bully the shower me till I still biting my nails, Like.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Sometimes it's just how you learn. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: so funny. It's like, John, you abused you that show
Speaker 3: apples off your head? Tell you what good football?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Calm down, child?
Speaker 2: Can we please get some like Gaudian therapy for the
Speaker 2: great lifts?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 1: And so somebody the kids like, oh, Grandma, great wonderful reveal,
Speaker 1: Hi grandma, And here comes Grandma. John turns around to
Speaker 1: see her and it's the woman John fucked, and so
Speaker 1: he's like, damn it. Later we'll make in the Patriarchs.
Speaker 1: As Hal and John are leaving, is like, hey, hope
Speaker 1: you're tofu steaks were seasoned? Well, you know, I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, it's I'm not used to cooking that, and
Speaker 1: just like, oh, it's delicious, absolutely great, and he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing there's nothing more satisfying than eating
Speaker 1: off another man's grill. Huh, which again delivered in that
Speaker 1: dry style that I think is meant to signal to
Speaker 1: John that hey, I know you fucked my wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she goes out there and does that shit
Speaker 2: and then tells me was the implication I got, like, well,
Speaker 2: he's watching either way something.
Speaker 1: So they get back, you know, hallan John are in
Speaker 1: the car and Al's like, what the fuck was that about?
Speaker 1: He's like, well, I fucked that guy's.
Speaker 3: And how I was like sick?
Speaker 4: Okay, maybe that right next day, Hall interrogates the guy
Speaker 4: as John and Sheriff make and watch this option.
Speaker 2: He gets offlia.
Speaker 1: He is a cut. I mean, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's doing a solid idea.
Speaker 2: He couldn't get in before, right, and now he went
Speaker 2: to the white militia barbecue and now he's in that interrogated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds about to be.
Speaker 1: So long story short, this guy is an alien, although
Speaker 1: very very you know, we learn that there are over
Speaker 1: a dozen alien species that cannot be cannot be tested
Speaker 1: for like whatever DNA takes biological MRI, you would never know.
Speaker 1: And so John goes in there, and long story short,
Speaker 1: this guy is an alien. He's here on a very
Speaker 1: very important and dangerous mission. That quote concerns the opposite
Speaker 1: of peace, so some thing related to looming whiffs of warfare.
Speaker 1: And eventually the guy tells How that he he starts
Speaker 1: making fun of the lantern oath and then suggests that
Speaker 1: Hal is here on a suicide mission and that How
Speaker 1: wants to die. And then he gets how to admit.
Speaker 1: He basically figures out this guy knows a lot about
Speaker 1: the lanterns and clearly a lot about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you didn't take your lantern with you?
Speaker 1: How much charge is left in your ring? Like what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Like he's and Hal's like, don't worry,
Speaker 1: there's a I can do plenty with the ring. There's
Speaker 1: enough in there. And he's like, yeah, but for how long?
Speaker 1: And the guy admits that you know, he's carrying some
Speaker 1: sort of bomb or he has access to some sort
Speaker 1: of explosive weapon. He's making fun of the lantern. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: the darkest night and this and that how gets Matt
Speaker 1: starts throwing the guy around the room. The guy starts
Speaker 1: beeping for fortunately for everyone that this alien explosive device
Speaker 1: beeps before it goes off. Hal throws the guy into
Speaker 1: the corner of the room and then puts a shield
Speaker 1: around him with the ring. And still the explosion does
Speaker 1: wreck a corner of the building, but everybody survives except
Speaker 1: the guy, and How goes to John is like I
Speaker 1: told you so, we fast forward another ten years to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. This is the show is fast forward
Speaker 1: in thirty years. John now with a goateee.
Speaker 3: This bitch has a soul patch.
Speaker 1: He's got a goatee. Now returns to Nebraska to the
Speaker 1: very same football field where the mass shooting occurred ten
Speaker 1: years back. Sheriff Macon is there, leads him up into
Speaker 1: the snow covered stands where Hal is sitting in almost
Speaker 1: a frozen type of variation.
Speaker 3: I mean true detective types with.
Speaker 1: A bullet hole in his head, frozen blood dripping down
Speaker 1: right in his forehead, and his ring missing bombp bump bum.
Speaker 3: Screen is because they kill Jordan at the end. Maybe
Speaker 3: we'll get them out of this show.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break and we will come back and
Speaker 1: discuss this show, and we are back. I think I
Speaker 1: liked it more than you, but also my you know,
Speaker 1: we had been discussing the fact that there was the
Speaker 1: people didn't get screener as the press rollout was kind
Speaker 1: of choppy, and so I had my theory was that
Speaker 1: they think it's bad, and so I'm surprised that it
Speaker 1: was solid. I thought it was good.
Speaker 3: I think it's a solid pilot.
Speaker 2: I do have issues, which I think of the other
Speaker 2: opposite issues, which hilariously like I actually also went in
Speaker 2: with low expectations I have. I feel like the reviews
Speaker 2: are pretty mixed if you actually read them, but obviously
Speaker 2: in our community a lot of buzz because this is
Speaker 2: a really interesting pilot.
Speaker 3: It's like grim and gritty, it's.
Speaker 2: About kind of like going back to the home town.
Speaker 2: I feel like it has a lot of our favorite
Speaker 2: tropes My actual biggest takeaway on this episode is I
Speaker 2: just don't I just don't know to me if the
Speaker 2: quality is there for like an HBO show. I feel
Speaker 2: like it is not the same level as the House
Speaker 2: of the Dragon a Penguin even like a a kind
Speaker 2: of sort of you know, AMC like BETTERC or Saul
Speaker 2: Breaking Bad, Like there's something here to me that feels
Speaker 2: like this would be such a great broadcast TV show,
Speaker 2: like a like a CW show or when DC launched
Speaker 2: DC Universe. It still feels left over to me from
Speaker 2: that era. I don't know why it doesn't have the juice.
Speaker 2: It feels to me like it's trying to be an
Speaker 2: HBO show. But I will say I will say, like
Speaker 2: many things in this fandom, talking to you about it
Speaker 2: and hearing your reads on it has gotten me more excited.
Speaker 2: I do think, unfortunately, I understand what they're going for here,
Speaker 2: and I do think having Hall as the victim is
Speaker 2: really cool. But I also just like, too fast forward
Speaker 2: in a in a pilot to get to an in
Speaker 2: media res of like how did we get here? Is
Speaker 2: kind of I don't know it sing It smacks to
Speaker 2: me of like a rewritten pilot and not necessarily like
Speaker 2: a I'm interested to where the rest of the show goes.
Speaker 2: I would say that my biggest takeaway is not who
Speaker 2: killed John, I mean who killed how? So I think
Speaker 2: that in itself becomes kind of an issue because like
Speaker 2: the murder mystery, you need to care.
Speaker 3: But I love your OA corruption idea.
Speaker 2: I do think the white militia is interesting, and that
Speaker 2: is where I'm going to bring up what I fear
Speaker 2: My true issue is with this show, which is sort
Speaker 2: of not fair, but is fair because of who's involved.
Speaker 2: Damon Lindeloff is involved in this show. He's allegedly, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the creators alongside Tom King.
Speaker 3: That man has a lot, he's a creator.
Speaker 2: But I would say at this point, five years into
Speaker 2: the show being created, we don't know how much Damon
Speaker 2: Lindeloff or Tom King were involved. Like May King, there's
Speaker 2: there's writers rooms who are really the ones who are
Speaker 2: like chopping up and making the show right.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that I don't think it's allegend, I
Speaker 1: mean no.
Speaker 3: Officially created.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My understanding of people who have worked with Lindeloff,
Speaker 1: including on Watchmen, is that like he's very involved, He's
Speaker 1: the writers well, he's not one of these flying once
Speaker 1: a week.
Speaker 3: And then this is what my biggest question is. I
Speaker 3: have heard many stories from the Watchman writers room.
Speaker 2: It was a as you would imagine, an evocative and
Speaker 2: emotional time, which is why the show was so fantastic.
Speaker 2: I fear because they worked through a lot of shit
Speaker 2: in the writer's room to put on the screen. I
Speaker 2: think after you make a show like Watchmen, Damon Lindeloff,
Speaker 2: who I know was had, you know, an incredible team
Speaker 2: of writers on that show, this to me feels like
Speaker 2: you're trying to do like not as good Watchmen. I
Speaker 2: just don't think you can be Damon Lindeloff and make
Speaker 2: a show about DC comics where you're not recontextualizing. And
Speaker 2: for me, this is like one again. I knew everyone
Speaker 2: who listened to the show knew, but this was going
Speaker 2: to be a problem for me. Military John Stewart is
Speaker 2: second tier, like fucking retcon John Stewart, and I.
Speaker 3: Don't know why there always insist on this being.
Speaker 2: The only version we can see of him, and I
Speaker 2: think the military dark and gratty for me, of Tom
Speaker 2: King and Damon Lindeloff together, it's just not my vibe.
Speaker 2: But I do think that Carl Chandler and Aaron Pierre
Speaker 2: are amazing. I'm interested in the white militia angle, and
Speaker 2: I will be obviously like tuning in to see what
Speaker 2: happens next, but I need the alien thread and the
Speaker 2: small town thread to come together in a way that
Speaker 2: feels like satisfying and makes sense.
Speaker 1: Here are my Yeah, I think I definitely like it
Speaker 1: more than you because I was. I mean, this to
Speaker 1: me feels like A at this point. We'll see if
Speaker 1: this if all the pieces come together, but A at
Speaker 1: least suggests that this show is going to be interestingly subversive,
Speaker 1: which true, it's trying of style when he's in this universe,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, he did the Ultimate Hulk versus Wolverine,
Speaker 1: which was interestingly subversive and was also like for I
Speaker 1: think a four or six issue limited series delayed for
Speaker 1: like two and a half years. It was like last
Speaker 1: issues like one, two, three came out and then it
Speaker 1: was like a year and.
Speaker 3: A half two yeah, till the next day anyway, and.
Speaker 1: Then Watchman of course was like very subversive and actually
Speaker 1: like an important television and cultural moment. I do think
Speaker 1: that I, I mean, I get the distaste with like
Speaker 1: the military angle. But it's not like I will say that,
Speaker 1: it's not like he's it's not like a Paw Patrol
Speaker 1: take where he's like big up upping the military industrial complex.
Speaker 1: His army dad was shooting apples off a child's head. Like.
Speaker 1: It's not like you know, like it's not like rue.
Speaker 3: It's not like ra ra.
Speaker 2: But I will say contextually the well we meet John
Speaker 2: Stewart with the well we meet John and Allan is
Speaker 2: a ra ra like the green Lantern works for the
Speaker 2: government military like kind of that.
Speaker 3: Is the established world.
Speaker 2: We meet the men, yes, which again I will say
Speaker 2: it feels a little bit derivative from the old Watchman.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of what David Lindolf is
Speaker 2: doing here is stuff he learned on Watchman, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if he's then elevating it because.
Speaker 1: Like the good news is no one watched Watchmen.
Speaker 3: Well, isn't that the truth? Sad but also really good.
Speaker 1: Corruption of the audience is not going to pick up
Speaker 1: any like the double beat.
Speaker 2: Because that's why I never got a second season, which
Speaker 2: it shouldn't have got. So but yeah, I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see where it goes.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think it's lightly subversive.
Speaker 2: I think my this is a wider issue I'm having
Speaker 2: right now culturally, which is like a lot of what
Speaker 2: we were pushing towards and striving towards over the last
Speaker 2: ten years is now kind of being represented to us
Speaker 2: again in this like twenty sixteen packaging, which is like
Speaker 2: a white guy and a black guy working together and
Speaker 2: the black guy is also in the military, and like
Speaker 2: it's I just I feel like there was a time
Speaker 2: when we were pushing for so much more than like
Speaker 2: grim and gritty cop stories with diversity, and I feel
Speaker 2: like this is kind of a return back to that.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's pretty good for a DC project,
Speaker 2: Like it's definitely better than Supergirl, like the quality. Wise,
Speaker 2: they needed a hit, and I do think that this
Speaker 2: at least has the fans more excited.
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if this was a hit. I
Speaker 1: think I would be shocked if this was as acclaimed
Speaker 1: indoor popular as the Penguin.
Speaker 3: No that says it's not gonna get on me, M
Speaker 3: and A.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty good and if it does, and
Speaker 1: if it does follow this kind of the uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the Green Lantern core is compromise kind of thread that
Speaker 1: I think it's doing. Then, I don't know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of it. That's pretty good to me because here's I mean,
Speaker 1: the main question I have after the after the credits rolled,
Speaker 1: was like, so John has never put the ring on
Speaker 1: for it?
Speaker 3: How to him?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm that he can't have done.
Speaker 1: He can't have done because there's that's the ring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was also what I want to know
Speaker 2: is like, so what happened after that? Like did John
Speaker 2: just go off on his own? Did John choose not
Speaker 2: to be a lantern after he he does have a
Speaker 2: go tee now, so maybe he became an architect in
Speaker 2: my dreams. But yeah, I am definitely interested to see
Speaker 2: where they go with that because the tenure time difference
Speaker 2: is kind of huge.
Speaker 3: Also, what does this mean for the show going forward?
Speaker 3: Is there a lot of.
Speaker 2: Kyle Chandlers still in the show? I believe there probably
Speaker 2: will be in either flashbacks or hey.
Speaker 3: I how yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 2: But I'm excited to see this new version of John
Speaker 2: Stewart and kind of how he works and also will
Speaker 2: this is John Stewart there not only as part of
Speaker 2: the Sheriff's investigation, which First of all, how is she
Speaker 2: still the sheriff when her husband's dad is like sending
Speaker 2: people to fucking blow up the prison by doing like
Speaker 2: illegal investigations with aliens. But sure small town policing, I guess,
Speaker 2: But like I am interested to know, like what is
Speaker 2: in that ten years between Why are weren't Hale and
Speaker 2: John working together?
Speaker 3: How is the Greenland and perceived? Now?
Speaker 2: Like was John copp that entire time or has he
Speaker 2: gone back there because mcconnor's called him back and been like, oh,
Speaker 2: can you come and check this out because your partner died?
Speaker 2: Did how become like a crazy introvert who hit the ring?
Speaker 2: And also is John there because the OA Guardians have
Speaker 2: actually asked him to go and try and find the
Speaker 2: ring because.
Speaker 3: It was stolen? That's what I think, maybe.
Speaker 2: Kind of secondary intrigue. I also feel like after the
Speaker 2: first episode, second episode, we've got to learn more about
Speaker 2: John's dad and his connections.
Speaker 1: If I had one big criticism of the show, you
Speaker 1: know which, again.
Speaker 3: I liked it's pretty fun.
Speaker 1: I did like, uh, I think more than most you know,
Speaker 1: the Extra Division crew in general, I wanted more like
Speaker 1: who is John Stewart?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And I I've watched a good amount of Aaron Pierrre
Speaker 1: at this point, and I think he's an incredible screen presence,
Speaker 1: a very like magnetic physical presence. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's the guy who's going to deliver an emotional range,
Speaker 1: and that is just something I'm watching going forward in
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 1: I think he's a great action star essentially, but that's
Speaker 1: why I think.
Speaker 3: I want to see what I But.
Speaker 1: I do think that I do think that a more
Speaker 1: that that, a more a motive actor might have given
Speaker 1: you a little bit more of a window into who
Speaker 1: the guy is, because the host feels like a mystery
Speaker 1: right now, and I think part of that might be
Speaker 1: that Iran pier is just in this very tight emotional
Speaker 1: bandwidth as a performer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also do wonder as well, like I'm hoping
Speaker 2: that the act the writing can give him more chances
Speaker 2: because so far, if you think about what we've seen
Speaker 2: him in, especially, you.
Speaker 3: Know, you're, uh, what was it called? Not Ruby Ridge?
Speaker 2: Ruby? Well, yeah, not Ruby Ridge, but not Ruby Ridge,
Speaker 2: but named after the real you know, not named after
Speaker 2: the real Obviously, the implication of the name was there.
Speaker 3: After seeing him in that you know that's.
Speaker 2: A very streamlined, kind of classical action performance.
Speaker 3: Right, It's Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 2: It's the it's that not thing, kind of like you're
Speaker 2: an avatar for the the everyman. We need to see
Speaker 2: him written in a way that tells us more about
Speaker 2: who he is. I'm hoping episode two is a John
Speaker 2: Bottle episode telling.
Speaker 1: Us right now that How's kind of been pushed aside
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna get younger ai How. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with you because I was thinking a lot about
Speaker 1: Rebel Ridge, because I kind of felt like you could
Speaker 1: take any scene from Rebel Ridge and drop his performance
Speaker 1: into this show and it would and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: it's the same guy again. And I'm not saying that's bad.
Speaker 2: I actually think, honestly, I think that's kind of the
Speaker 2: appeal is I think they saw Rebel Ridge and they went.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, if this guy was John Stewart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm fine, I'm not saying that's bad. Like
Speaker 1: to your point, like Eastwood was basically Clint Eastwood in
Speaker 1: every single movie, But I did find myself wanting more
Speaker 1: from who is John Stewart? What's going on inside his head?
Speaker 1: How did he feel about getting apples? Shot off his head.
Speaker 1: Why isn't he more like pissed off at how for
Speaker 1: being such a dick to um like over what is
Speaker 1: clearly like the course of like many months when he's
Speaker 1: suppress training him. And I felt like you didn't really
Speaker 1: get it. You didn't really feel if he's frustrated or not.
Speaker 1: He's just kind of taking it all in stride. And
Speaker 1: so I wanted more and hopefully and I think you're right,
Speaker 1: we will get truly get more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to, right, we have to. We need it.
Speaker 3: They gona tell us more about these men well.
Speaker 1: Will be continuing to keep an eye on Lanterns as
Speaker 1: the season goes forward. On the next episode of X
Speaker 1: ray Vision, we're diving into stuff. That's it for this
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