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Speaker 1: to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: It's a Friday here in Pittsburgh and uh, well, we

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Speaker 1: got about a little over a month before, uh free agent.

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Speaker 1: He starts a little over a little well, a little

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Speaker 1: bit about two weeks before we head to the combine,

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Speaker 1: about a week and a half actually, so things are

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Speaker 1: starting to happen here but this is kind of a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a dead time in the NFL. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: as much as they're like, it's a little about a

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Speaker 1: take a little deep breath, and see where we're at. So, Matt, today,

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Speaker 1: I thought we'd start off the show by talking about

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Speaker 1: a piece that was on um nfl dot com where

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, who does the quarterback rankings on NFL dot

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Speaker 1: the season, he ranked all sixty two quarterbacks who started

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Speaker 1: a game this year. Okay, yeah, and so to get

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Speaker 1: sixty two, and we're gonna have to roll through these

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Speaker 1: don't care, we can. We can start the bottom. Sixty

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks started games this year. That's amazing. Actually, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if that's a record. It's I know we did this

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Speaker 1: the league started at least on average, Uh, two guys

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned that, you know, it doesn't you know,

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Speaker 1: the playoff seatings are set or whatever. But a lot

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be heading into year eighteen. Yeah, he's an

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Speaker 1: in three years? No, at is Jordan's love. I didn't

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Yeah, he's a tough one for me. And

423
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: I could understand if day Ball and the Giants are

424
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: gonna give it one year and build an offensive line

425
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: for the guy. Um. But like if you told me, boy,

426
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: the Giants are drafting Willis in their trading Daniel Jones,

427
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: when do you give up a second round pick for

428
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: the Steelers to grab? I would say no, you know,

429
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: all right? Yeah, Like, I think I can do better

430
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: than that. At twenty three is Jared Goff. Okay, I

431
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: think that Ben Verse golf question is an interesting one.

432
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: I think now we're getting into the area where shouldn't

433
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: winning matter, especially when you are the reason. I mean,

434
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: he has six fourth quarter comebacks. He put you to

435
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: golf in that similar situation. How many of those games

436
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: does he win? Fewer? Few? Question, It's not even close.

437
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: But I definitely think he wins more games as a

438
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: Steeler than he did a Lion. Oh without it, Yeah, yeah,

439
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: I guess that at least he at least values the

440
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: football a little bit. Yeah, I mean there's traits there, Like,

441
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he'll be an opening day starter

442
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: next year. But I think in the end he's gonna

443
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: be You're always you're always looking to replace him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

444
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: it's twenty two is to Uh, he's no better than

445
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah. I thought he played better as the

446
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: season went on. So RPO dependent, though Ben was too.

447
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, how many times it's too of making

448
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: a throw that you go whoa. You know, there's not

449
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: many of those, you know, like wow, wow, that's a

450
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: nice row. I al'ys say that very awful to it.

451
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: Thirteen games he produced ten interceptions and nine fumbles. That's

452
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: just too many. It's a lot. It's twenty offensive line,

453
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: but it's twenty one is Jamis Winston. I think he's

454
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: better than everyone we mentioned. Yeah, so I might even

455
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: have him higher. I'll see who's the twenty and above.

456
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: But I think Jamie is good. I mean, I know

457
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: I've been you and I brought that up a lot,

458
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: and I seem to get asked about it every day.

459
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: But I thought he was weird. Actually, I tend to podcast.

460
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: I had the Saints guy on, and there he's like

461
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: banging the drum. Just re signed Winston. He was so

462
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: much better than people realize why he was out there.

463
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. Yeah, I think he you know,

464
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: he's the best of the free agent crop this year easily.

465
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I'm just open to

466
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: the idea that he changed his stripes a little bit

467
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: by sitting behind Breeze and learning from Peyton. Because he

468
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: played seven games and did some really good things. Three

469
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: interceptions and seven games, He's not the same turn it

470
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: over like crazy guy who first overall pick? Here's the

471
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: guy that to me is like when people say, well,

472
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: this guy is just a winner, but then you don't

473
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: give Roethlisberger credit for being a winner. Yeah, Jimmy Garoppolos

474
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: at twenty on this list. He had twenty two touchdown passes,

475
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: fifteen interceptions, and eight fumbles in eighteen games last year.

476
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: Oh but Dale, he's a winner. Well then, how can

477
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: you How can you say that Roethlisberger? Is it very true?

478
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Jimmy is probably the hardest guy for me

479
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: to rank on this list, but I bet I would

480
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: have him about twenty. I would have Jameis Winston ahead

481
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: of him. I would have James ahead of them. I'm

482
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: not sure anyone else to a golf those guys would

483
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: not be ahead of them though, right, well, I hear you. Yeah,

484
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: I think i'd have him over the next guy though, Yeah,

485
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: nineteen is Carson Wentz. Um. Yeah, there was a stretch

486
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: where I was impressed with how he played and he

487
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: reeled things in and then I just somebody asked me

488
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: about this today when they asked me about Carson Wentz,

489
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: and so I went to get a lot of questions

490
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: about I went back and looked at his stats from

491
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: from Indianapolis last two games this year. What all they

492
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: needed to do was win one of them right to

493
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. He threw for eight laps, He threw

494
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: for a hundred and fifty yards in both of those games.

495
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: They have one touchdown passing two interceptions. He folded when

496
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: they when they need All they needed to do was

497
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: win a game, and he did against great teams from

498
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: what it was, the Raiders and Jaguars, and they get

499
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: blown out in both of those games, have blown out

500
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: in both just to get in the playoffs. Although this

501
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: next guy would be way lower from eighteen, Steady Bridgewater,

502
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's no good. He'd be like thirty. Yeah,

503
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: that's where he that's where he belongs. Yeah, I really

504
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: think we know exactly what he is. And it's a backup.

505
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: It's a good it's Andy Dalton. It's a good backup,

506
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: but it's a backup. Seventeen is Jalen Hurts. He'd be

507
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: lower too. Yeah, I mean I'd rather play against Hurston Winston. Uh.

508
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: Sixteen is Mac Jones. I don't have a problem with that,

509
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: to be honest. That's that's about where he belongs. He's

510
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: he's now the league. He's the new Andy Dalton. Yeah,

511
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean quarterback. Yeah, yeah, but that's that's fine. Where

512
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: he's at I mean Mac Jones or Jimmy. Yeah. See here,

513
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: here's where we run into problems again here because he

514
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: has Matt Ryan at fifteen. Mm hmm. You show if

515
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: I if I showed you the tape of Matt Ryan

516
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: and Ben Roethlisberger from last year, you would find him.

517
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: If you didn't, everything was blacked out. He didn't know

518
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: who was in what uniform. You couldn't tell who was

519
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: they're the same guy. I'd pick Ryan, but they'd be

520
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: the same tier. Yeah, I mean, how can you have

521
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: one at twenty nine and one at fifteen? Right? I

522
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: don't think the discrepancy should be this big is in that.

523
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Ryan should probably be a little lower and Ben should

524
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: be six spots higher. Right. I mean, that's that's what

525
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They should be in that, and that's they

526
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't be fifteen picks apart, right right, right right, they're

527
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: on the second yeah, fourteens, Lamar Jackson. Side note, Dodell.

528
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could get Matt Ryan for nothing,

529
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, like they just have to get rid of

530
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: him cap casualty. You threw him on this team for

531
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: one year while you room to rookie or whatever. How

532
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: did the Steers would compete, See, I don't know if

533
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: they would. I mean, that wouldn't be my strategy for

534
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: the position, But I don't know that com I don't

535
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: know that I would trust Matt Ryan in the weather,

536
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: to be quite frank with you, I think you'd be

537
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: okay early in the season and then when the weather

538
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: started to turn. He's never had to do that, yeah

539
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: from Philly, but he's never proven he can do. He

540
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: doesn't have a weather, doesn't have a strong arm. Um.

541
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, It's just I just I would not think

542
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: the Steelers are the wrong comparison if you threw him

543
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: on Tampa, if you went, if you went to New Worlds. Yeah,

544
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: which obviously they're not gonna They're not gonna do that,

545
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: so they're gonna trade him in a division. But yeah,

546
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: have a lot. He'd have a better line too. I mean,

547
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: he'd been in trouble behind this line as currently constructed. Fourteens.

548
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: Lamar you may hire for me. I'm sorry, you can't

549
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: tell me. Lamar is not a top ten quarterback. Thirteen

550
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: is Kirk Cousins. Cousins is a good year, but Lamar

551
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: is way better. Lamar is better. I'd rather have Lamar, right,

552
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill is twelve, I'd have I'd have Lamar, heater

553
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. Sorry, they're not even closed. Every coach in

554
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: the country would tell you that, but this one. Russell

555
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: Wilson and eleven little Low. I don't know if I

556
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: shared it with you, but I did my my spreadsheet

557
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: the other day of just taking completion percentage times average

558
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: depth of target just to see who had the hardest throws.

559
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: Wilson actually had the best score there. You know, they're

560
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: the field a lot. I still think he's awfully good. Yeah,

561
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: their offense is kind of they need a different plan Uh,

562
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: Derek Derek Carr's at ten. I think that's who will

563
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: be his whole career. That's good over him. Yeah, Dak

564
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: Prescott is at nine, Okay, I pad it down year

565
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: and I blame the injury from the year before, to

566
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: be honest with you. Kyler Murray is eight. I don't

567
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: know that he's getting better though, Yeah, I don't. It's

568
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: hard to play against, but I don't see a lot

569
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: of progress from this Kyler to rookie year. Kyler Patrick

570
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Mahomes is all the way down at seven. About that,

571
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: it's pretty gutsy. Yeah, I'll tell you he did not

572
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: have a tremendous year. Okay. Joe Burrows at six. I

573
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: get the borrow love and I love him too, but

574
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: we act like this like he's a finished product and

575
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: he's over the hump and never do anything wrong again

576
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: in his life. And I know his old line is bad,

577
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: but sacks are also quarterbacks that and he has a

578
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: lot of sacks. Take a lot of them. Yeah, yeah,

579
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: they're seventy. I think the seventies sacks is the third

580
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: most all time all time history of the game. Uh.

581
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: If five is Matthew Stafford, I'm cool with that he

582
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: still turns a ball over a little too much for me,

583
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a really I mean, I'm taking him

584
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: over car though all day long. If four is justin Herbert, yea,

585
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: I think that's funny because I think Herbert is a

586
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: better player than Burrow is right now. So I agree

587
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: with Greg on this one, and nobody thinks that. Yeah right, Well,

588
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He guys in the playoffs, right, you can

589
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: get his guy. He didn't get his team to the

590
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Three is Josh Allen. Yeah, Two is Aaron Rodgers,

591
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 1: and one Tom Brady. Number one he would not one.

592
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: He would not be one for me. Rogers would be one. Um.

593
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: Alan's regular season was a little up and down. His

594
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: postseason was unbelievable, and Brady is still awesome. But Alan's

595
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: better than Brady. Alan had nine hundred rushing yards this season.

596
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: In addition, in nineteen games, Alan had five thousand passing yards,

597
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: forty five touchdown passes, and nine hundred rushing yards with

598
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: six rushing touchdowns. He's a monster. I mean, who do

599
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: you want to play against? Who's the tougher guy to

600
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: play against? I I don't know anyways, that's that those

601
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: are good stuff. Yeah, those are great Rosenthal's rankings. I think, uh,

602
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: I think we're on the same page that both Steeler

603
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks were probably a little lower than what they should

604
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: have been on this list. Yeah. I had to beat

605
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: with both of them, both of them, and that's just

606
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: not because we're on SMR. I mean, I think they're

607
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: getting sold a little short, particularly Rudolph, to be honest

608
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: with you, Rudolfso yeah, that one of the thinks he's

609
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: Tim Boyle. I don't get that at all, you know,

610
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: I I don't see that at all. Yeah, I mean

611
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: is he is he in the top twenty. No, is

612
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: probably not in the top thirty. Uh, but he's in.

613
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: He's certainly in the top forty somewhere, right, I mean

614
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: he's at least at the Andy Dalton Cam Newton level

615
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I you know, we'll see, but we're

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