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Speaker 1: this is this is the first session we've ever done

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Speaker 1: a few other sessions before, but not just general generals.

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Speaker 1: Moving to the big league. Miles City town of nine

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Speaker 1: Matt's voice. Um. But first there's order, there's a little

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Speaker 1: asking a pragmatic questions, So we'll leave aesthetics and like

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Speaker 1: matters of the heart and spiritual issues aside um disease vectors.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of problems with moving wildlife diseases around.

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Speaker 1: have it. It also raises like some interesting historical questions

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Speaker 1: like you can't just go out and catch a deer. Okay,

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Speaker 1: ty of our nations, not around the time during our

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Speaker 1: a good song, UM, go listen to Tonight We Ride,

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Speaker 1: which is about black Jack person's pursuit of Pancho Villa

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Speaker 1: bad moon. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like he's yeah, you

424
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: can tell he's got like he's a little bloated, kind

425
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: of in a bad moon. And I'm like, yeah, yeah,

426
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: it looks like the same meal that was there an

427
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: hour ago. Yeah. Um, I was in this guy's shop

428
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: getting something. Well did if this is like ten years

429
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: ago and he had all these pictures if he had

430
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: riding mules that he hunted in the mountains with and

431
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: uh he I started ask him about them. He said, yeah,

432
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: last last year, and I don't remember two years ago.

433
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: He said, I had to get rid of them all.

434
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: And he he was borderline kind of breaking down a

435
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: little bit right in front of me. And I just

436
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: had met the man, and he said, yeah, it's just

437
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: too dangerous when you're getting a little older and your

438
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: and your reflexes aren't as good. Really. Yeah, he spent

439
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: his whole life with him. And he was like, but yeah,

440
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's hunting with mountain lions or something

441
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: instead of one of my earliest what do they call

442
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: my hunting mentour. But when I moved to Colorado, he

443
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: was a fellow that owned a small like hunting and

444
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: fishing shop and uh, like a retail space. Yeah, and

445
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: he gave me good advice early on to go find

446
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: some rabbits. One of my favorite fishing stretches bulged his

447
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: rabbit spot, divulged his rabbit spot, and uh, I think

448
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: he could have cared less, but he did have a

449
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: really nice trout river and uh, anyways, he sold his

450
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: business and I think like within months I was on

451
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: a horse lost it, hit his head died. Really, Gountil,

452
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: you got that rabbit spot when you did, he'd have

453
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: carried it with him. That's coincidence. But you know cruze

454
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: that point. Um can you, Matt, can you real quick?

455
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Can you real quick? This is a this is a

456
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: segue or not a segue but an a side. Can

457
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: you real quick explain how you came to realize that,

458
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: uh that burning a moose dropping smells like like oh yeah,

459
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: there was no creativity or like, um, sense of exploration

460
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: on my part. It's not like my try burning let's

461
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: try burn him to see what it smells like. The

462
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: guy that the guy that married me and my wife.

463
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: He's kind of a he's a long time term friend

464
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: of my life, but he's kind of a grizzled like

465
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: grew naturalist kind of a fellow and a grizzled, a

466
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: grizzled fellow who works with grizzly bears. He does work

467
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: with grizzly bears, not with him, but looks at him.

468
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um he I was at his house one

469
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: night and he all night there was this very pleasant

470
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: smell in the room. It smelled like, you know how

471
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: willows and aspen had that smell in the spring, like

472
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: if you go down to a river when they're starting

473
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: to leaf out, you're talking to Johnny Aspen over here,

474
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: Yahnny Aspen. And then if you take one of those buds,

475
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: it's real sticky and you smell it smells so freaking good.

476
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: That's what smelled like. But this was in the winter.

477
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: And finally he didn't say anything about it. I just

478
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: looked and he like lighting one of these things moose pellets. Yeah, um,

479
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: he's He teaches at a wilderness school and one of

480
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: his students on this retired airline pilot. Uh. He showed

481
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: that pilot that trick, and the pilot started a company

482
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: called Moose Sense in Missoula, Montana, where you can get online,

483
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: you buy a little incense burner and they send you

484
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: some pellots. Is your buddy Piste. No, he don't care.

485
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: He you know, he was he wasn't looking at he

486
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking of as an entrepreneurial thing. Yeah. I don't

487
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: know a whole lot about business, but I mean, I

488
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: gott that's got to be kind of like a fringe business.

489
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: I can't imagine he's making more doing that than he

490
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: was as an airline pilot. That'd be I'd be interesting.

491
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: So there you were a lot of pain between your

492
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: ass and neat and not to thinking that the good

493
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: times are through. Right, had start hunting white tails out

494
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: of trees, right, if I could hobble up a tree

495
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: still that maybe I could rescue some fraction of my

496
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: haunting lifestyle. But then Lamas came to the rescue. Uh.

497
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: My first two Llamas were Haggy and Timmy, like rescue rescue.

498
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: You came to the rescue, I came to the rescue.

499
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: They were uh, kind of an ad hoc Lama rescue

500
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: center in Idaho, and I started communicating with a woman

501
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: there that sold Lama. It was called Lama Hardware is

502
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: the name of the company is still in existence, but

503
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: as a different owner about I don't know why I

504
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: started chatting with her about saddles and gear before I

505
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: even had Lamas. But she was the one that found

506
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: these two Lamas. They were brother and sister. Uh uh,

507
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: and those were my first Lamas. I remember, I was

508
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: with you when I first light laid eyes on them.

509
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: Over by. We went and went to a fellow named

510
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: Jerry's place. Jerry Hansen and Billings, Montana lives on the Yellowstone.

511
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, from his window, he was

512
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: showing us an old spot where he I believe could

513
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: be wrong. That uh, an old spot where Calamity Jane. Oh,

514
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: I don't have any recollection of that Calamity Jane had

515
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: domes siled or something from I could be wrong. And

516
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: those things came on. They came off that trailer and

517
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: they were like as wild as if you went down

518
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: to South America and climbed up into the Andies and

519
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: found out Lama. And at the end of the day,

520
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: Jerry had clipped their tone nails, put a saddle on

521
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: them and walked them around and crossed some creeks, cross

522
00:33:54,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: creeks with yeah, and uh. Quickly they went from being

523
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: uh get grasspowered four wheelers four wheelers to being just

524
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: uh pets kind of. I mean, they didn't think of

525
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: themselves as pets. They they got tame enough to pack.

526
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: But to me, I just I just marveled at him.

527
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: I thought they were like them so much. Yeah, it

528
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: became and even now it's more this way. And even now,

529
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: like I do most of my hunting alone, and a

530
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: big part of the attraction is being out there with

531
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: my I have four pack llamas now, being out there

532
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: with my my buddies. Um, I want to get just

533
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: a couple. I do want to get back to that,

534
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: but just I want to give people a little bit

535
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: of a sense here. So you got them because you'd

536
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: like to hunt uh in the back country? Yeah, and

537
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: and and and and and there's fake back country, but

538
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: I mean, like by any like, by any working definition

539
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: from the lower forty eight, we're talking like some of

540
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: the most some of the most bad country stuff outside

541
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: of areas that you might encounter in the Frank Church

542
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: or Bob markin. Yeah, five d eight mile back like

543
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: the back in and then you know when you kill out,

544
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: you're moving. You probably know better than anybody scale you gotta,

545
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: I gotta, you gotta get the You put some meat

546
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: on one side, some on the other in a thing

547
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: called a panier um, and it's gotta be with the

548
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: llama that you recommend within one or two pounds. Look

549
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: at that. There's a woman across the street picking wild asparagus.

550
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you if an asparagus must be

551
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: at her Well, I don't know, I could, but it's

552
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: somebody else's properties. Matt, just another side, not Matt. You know,

553
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: no trespassing signs, man, you're on mass property. He put

554
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: along the road signs and say trespassing aloud. Yeah, nobody

555
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: has taken me up on that. And oddly he had

556
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: a hard time finding a sign. Had had to commission

557
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: his own, the custom maga's own trespassing a loud signs

558
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: because they are not for sale at Walmart. Now you

559
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: don't say I pulled up Oh that's yeah. This is

560
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: the first year I've had those. I've gotten some compliments

561
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: on them. People kind of understand what I'm going for

562
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: with him. You know old Man and Eugene Growners, if

563
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: someone put up no trespassing signs, they would go and

564
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: just take them down. Well, it was ridiculous up where

565
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: up for this guy. We This is a guy we

566
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: idolized his children. He was a just a crazy, uh,

567
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: funny as hell guy that was kind of a hunting

568
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: fishing mentor to us. And he had a cabin quote

569
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: unquote north from where we grew up which seemed like

570
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: you're driving. It seemed like it was a million miles

571
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: into the Great Beyond. It's like we're away, and uh yeah,

572
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: you're It's like you drove to Alaska there and then

573
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: now when you drive your like this is. I went

574
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: there a couple of years ago to see the old

575
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: cab and but those guys were ridiculous. I mean they

576
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: had a no trespassing sign on every freaking tree on

577
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: the border of their land. Yeah, um um yeah. So.

578
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: And you know what I think about the other day

579
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: is how crazy it is that how quick it is

580
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: that when you eat asparagus it smells in your pee.

581
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: It's like twenty minutes. There's something in there. I've read

582
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: it's related somehow. And Harold McGee's very wonderful book, Um

583
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: The Science and Lore of Cooking, He talks at length

584
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: about why asparagus makes your pist smell. I have the

585
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: same thing with coffee, though, do you have that makes

586
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: you pis smell like asparagus? My first peet every morning?

587
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: If I just left, you'd go in there and be

588
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: like someone poured a cup of coffee and really, yeah,

589
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: you're leaving a lot of coffee goodness. In the on

590
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: the table. It sounds like, remember it's still brown. You

591
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: know why beer goes through you're so quick, right, because

592
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't have changed color? All right? So yeah, how

593
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: many pounds and out? So because I'm saying because you

594
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: know better, you know everybody speculating, but you have to

595
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: measure your out. I used to say all the time,

596
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: I've never gotten a big bull, um, but a young bull,

597
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: like a four point five point youngster maybe two three

598
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: years old. Uh, two pounds. I've shot two bulls boneless,

599
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: bone less meat. I shot to a little older bulls

600
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: six points that we're two fifty cows typically one sixty.

601
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: And That's what I've been saying for the last several years.

602
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: And so you're talking, um, all the meat off the bone,

603
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: so boning out all the ribs, not taking anything, packing

604
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: the heart bones about it, packing the heart out and

605
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: then gross shanks. Yeah, leaving on the ground guts bone yeah. Um,

606
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: and uh that I do love it. If you were listening,

607
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: if you you hear people say like, oh I had

608
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: a hunter pound pack, a hundred pound pack a lot. Yeah,

609
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: you can do it, you can do it. We used

610
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: to do it one home. I know I didn't even

611
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: know what they weighed when we were doing it, but

612
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: now I know because we would move. We would would

613
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: take out a whole elk. We would move a cow

614
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: elk and our camping gear in a trip. No that's

615
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: not true. No, we'd always go back for our camping

616
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: gear a couple of weeks later after we could walk again. Yeah,

617
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: you know what, I remember one year we left it

618
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: and wait and didn't go get it till rifle opened

619
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah. Um, then to eighty pound packs,

620
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: then six, Well, but we carried out bulls in one trip.

621
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: Really yeah, now you're taking out antlers and yeah, yeah,

622
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: so I think that first bull you got with your

623
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: bowl that was seven miles and we took out the

624
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: whole animal and one trip and came back for the

625
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: gear a different weekend. And remember, oh yeah, that was

626
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: a different one. I would say that was the one

627
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: where we went back and grizzlies had eaten all that.

628
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: That was a different one. Yeah. But that so people

629
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: say like, oh, I had a hundred pound pack. Yeah,

630
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: it is possible, but it's it's like it is not

631
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: good for you. There is no noo. Guys in the

632
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: military carry that kind of man. They should change that,

633
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: like there's it's just you're compromising your later years. Yeah.

634
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: I think they say in the military that you're expected

635
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: to carry a happy body weight. I think I felt one,

636
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: especially those areas where you gott to carry out of

637
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: water where they're carrying water and and you can just imagine,

638
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: I'll expense how heavy ammunition is, you know. But um,

639
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: when when you first moved out here, we were so

640
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: excited to hunt in the mountains and we just didn't

641
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: care painful pack of man. It would be like you'd

642
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: get to a thing. It used to happen us in

643
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: the area we hunted. We had to drive. It was

644
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: probably about maybe like a thirty or forty minute drive

645
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: to the closest gas station, and you'd get down to

646
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: the trailhead and like load your elk into the rig,

647
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: get in and then and then drive to the gas

648
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: station and you'd oftentimes be locked up. You'd be stove

649
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: up by the time you got there. I remember walking

650
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: this lodge for dinner and you're like walking like a

651
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: cowboy going to a gunfight, you know, like very hard

652
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: to get out of the vehicle, very hard to go

653
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: in there and order. Um being burrito and the gatorade

654
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: at the at the brown food station of the gas station,

655
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, it's grueling. Man. If you ever heard

656
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: that story, like Ryan Callahan's on your podcast, A lot

657
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: I know about um a guy I think it was.

658
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: He was an outfitter that Ryan used to work for

659
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: that shot a mountain goat. Oh you've got to hear

660
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: that story. I can tell right now. But to take

661
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: three minutes and then heavy pack outs and sued, yeah,

662
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: is it worth it? Oh, it's such a good story.

663
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: Um So, I don't really give a sh if we

664
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: covered his lama thing, but I would like to wait,

665
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: how much how far are you in? Are we now? At? All? Okay?

666
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: Um So, Ryan, this boss shoot some mountain goat eight

667
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: miles back. He told me this at the cabin when

668
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: we were fishing last summer. Shoots a mountain go eight

669
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: miles back in the mountains. And he's going to carry

670
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: the whole sun of a bit out, which we all

671
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: three knows a lot of weight if you're taking the

672
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: high and he but he's like, I'm gonna take my time,

673
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: you know. Um, And he's because he just did not

674
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: want to walk back. Well, I didn't want to walk

675
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: into her sixteen miles, you know, for a second trip. Um.

676
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: So he's finishing up and processing it, getting it packed up,

677
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: and here comes a grizzly bear and he puts his

678
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: pack on it, starts to get out of there, and

679
00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: that bears following him, and that bear merciless. Merciless, he

680
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: followed him the whole eight miles back to his car.

681
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: Huh smelling that blood. Yeah, so they instead of taking

682
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: his time, the guy was like, uh, I'm gonna, I'm

683
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: freaking not stopping, gets back, gets in his car and

684
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: drives into Uh. Oh, it's right by Clearwater Junction where

685
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: my wife's ranches outside of Missoula. Why can't I um

686
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: think of the name of the town but her her

687
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: stag No, it's just east of there, like Connor. No. Oh,

688
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous, but anyway, it's the it's the it's the

689
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: second closest bar to the ranch, and her staff goes there.

690
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: There's a bar there called Tricksies. Not not Greeno. No. Um,

691
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: there's a bar there called Trixie's. In this little town.

692
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: That's where all her staff goes. They always have bands

693
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: there and stuff like that. And you go there yeah. Um,

694
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: I remember when we got married. Fits and Pooter, your

695
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: college roommates went there and they thought it was like

696
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: Dusk till Dawn and the bar and dust till Dawn,

697
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: that Quentin Tarantino movie. Um, and uh, So he pulls

698
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: in there and it's in the fall when nothing's going

699
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 1: on and sunset, no twin creeks, no van. Oh yeah.

700
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: So he pulls in the driveway and his legs won't

701
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: work at all, and there's no one in the bar.

702
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: He can tell because there's no cars in the parking lot,

703
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: and he lays on the horn and the bar keep

704
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: comes out and he has her, has her get him

705
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: a six pack, and um, she goes and gets it.

706
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: He pays for it, and she sits in the truck

707
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: with him, just chit chatting, and they end up becoming

708
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: a couple. Really. Yeah, that's a good story because yeah, yeah,

709
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: are they married? Now? You know they ended up splitting up.

710
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: I was hopeful when I asked, did they get married? No?

711
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Oh yeah, um yeah, why is it?

712
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: Why is it that makes the story just a little Yeah,

713
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: I can stick about it like you'd be like, oh yeah,

714
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: you know this old you know this guy and he

715
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: goes like what I was in World War Two, I'm

716
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: just making this up right, gets gravely injured, and this

717
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: nurse comes out and slowly nurses him back to health

718
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: right towards you, and you're like, oh, so they yeah,

719
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: but now they got nineteen grandkids for it. And You're like, no, no,

720
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: they dated and broke up. It's just like it just

721
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have the punch. Yeah. I love my wife very

722
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: very much. Um, but even if I didn't, I think

723
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: I try to make it work just so could have

724
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: a romantic ending. You know that we because you would

725
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: want people to be like, no, I'd be for myself,

726
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: just my own myth. You know that we pulled it

727
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: through and made it work. I don't know. Do you

728
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: remember when you drew of course you remember you drew

729
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: him out. Speaking of long walks, you drew a mountain

730
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: goat tag many many years ago, and we got up

731
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: pretty early at a trailhead. Mike Mullen. Interesting fellow, this

732
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: Mike Mullen, because he came to my wedding. That was

733
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: the first time I've seen him in twelve years. Just

734
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. I stopp talking about marriage

735
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: and being I'm sorry, Yeah, mentioned is about your wife,

736
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: So that's good. So I want as much as I

737
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: love her, I'm not gonna I'm gonna try to abstain

738
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: from mentioning the rest of this conversation. Interesting fellas. Mike

739
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: Mullen and I just gonna touch on this before I

740
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: talked about the Mountain goat. You you got everyone knows

741
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: now because of like grizzly berry issues and grizzly berry

742
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: recovery and whatnot in the greater Yellostone ecosystem. But then

743
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: you guys here like it's like, ah, I call it

744
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: one of those like Malcolm GLADWELLI and phenomenons are people

745
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: I love to act, like, oh, it's really going out

746
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: with grizzy berries. You see who's Malcolm? Oh he writes

747
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: those books where he's like, oh, if you want to

748
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: understand the whole world, you just gotta understand like dog

749
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: leash that you know, or like whatever I've never heard of.

750
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: I could picture that. It's like he traffics and he's

751
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: like the sum of knowledge through Yeah, like oh, everything

752
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: you ever want to just got a hockey right out.

753
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: So he um um. He had a he had a

754
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: he's very popular writer. He's a lot smarter than I am.

755
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: But um uh, Mike Mullen, oh sorries people talking about grizzlies.

756
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: The thing they like to bring up is that that

757
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: the grizzlies don't have access to cut throat trout anymore.

758
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: And then always struck me like, well, okay, yeah, you

759
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: gotta Yellowstone Lake. He's have a population of a nadrumous

760
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: cuts right there would come out of the lake and

761
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: arout the rivers in the spring and grizzlies and eat them.

762
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: And every his eye was like, oh, that's why the

763
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: grizzies are you know whatever. They never make it because

764
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: lake trout got turned loose and Yellowstone Lake and the

765
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: lake trout desk, you know, non natives are getting testy

766
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: because they don't have anymore. You don't know, you don't

767
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: know this whole narrative. Yeah, I'm just helping you. Oh yeah, okay, yeah,

768
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: So Lake Chalk introduced and Yellostone Lake, they decimate the

769
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: cutthroat population. And now people talk about this like thing

770
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: that like, you know, this big driving factor and grizzly

771
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: dynamics as the lack of cutthroat trout that are coming

772
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: up out of that lake. And turns out they had

773
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: done some analysis on this and about ten percent of

774
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: the bears in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem might have utilized

775
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 1: cut through. So I didn't know that part. So because

776
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: that it was struck me, like you hear the same

777
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: thing about pine nuts from white bark mine, which is

778
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: much more plausible. I never I could never get on

779
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: board with the idea that that that losing an ephemeral

780
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: like like some small fish for a brief period of time,

781
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: being available in a stream, in a couple of streams.

782
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, that can't be enough now pine nuts. I

783
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: was like, if you'd told me that every bear is

784
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna when the pine nut epidemic rolled through that region,

785
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: if you just said all bears will die now, would

786
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: have been like, yeah, that sounds like right right. I

787
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: agree with that. It's much more widespread food source that's

788
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: available for potentially a longer period of time. It's incredibly important,

789
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: but I think it's not important if you listen to

790
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: the man. They're too adaptable. They got problem. There's they

791
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: have vulnerabilities, but that's not one of them anyhow. So

792
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: there's a big thing to like go kill off all

793
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: these lake trout and they dropped. There's no bag limit,

794
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: no close season, and I think you're not even supposed to. Yeah,

795
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: you're not even supposed to turn one of these lake

796
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: trout loose if you catch him. And Mike Mullin gets

797
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: win to this big late trout epidemic and what's it called?

798
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: When it's too much of something? You wouldn't call the epidemic,

799
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: would you? What would you call like a swarm of locusts? Yea?

800
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: And that not that doesn't work happen, We'll just call

801
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: it the weather works not. We'll just all agree that

802
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: it was a lake trout epidemic. Mike Mullen gets a

803
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: winto this and goes down and he's like, well, I'll

804
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: do my part, and it starts going down there and

805
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: catching a lot of lake trout. But then realize he

806
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: likes lake trout fishes so much. He starts to worry

807
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: for the future of these lake trout which everyone's trying

808
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: to get rid of. And one day I'm talking to

809
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: him and he's talking about how he caught a couple

810
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: and turned a bunch of lewis. I said, I thought

811
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: you weren't supposed to turn those loose, and he told me, well,

812
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm just real afraid of damage in that fishery. He

813
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: came with us on this goat hunt and we walk

814
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: Who else is there, Colonel Matt Moyson, Oh, yeah, that's right.

815
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't Yeah, absolutely right. And we got up pretty

816
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: early and walked nine miles and climbed a lot of footage,

817
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: and I remember getting I remember getting where. I felt

818
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: like by the time that goat was on the ground,

819
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: I was feeling like I was gonna vomit. Yeahs, but

820
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: setting in. But the magical thing about it, I don't

821
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: want to get too much way, but there's an area

822
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: that has there's an area where Matt still frequents a

823
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: little bit that. Um if you go in this area

824
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: in like September, say, there are no elk there. No,

825
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: And we've made a mistake of think this is an

826
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: interesting story. There are no elk there. Okay, they're just

827
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: not I've gone in there twice now, they're just not there.

828
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: They're not there. But then the first week of October,

829
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: there they are. And we discovered that when we were

830
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: up goat hunting at goat at ten thousand feet in

831
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: the mountains, like in this like, no, we discovered we

832
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: did they when? And how right? No? No, no, that's

833
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: when we discovered that it even happened. Absolutely because my

834
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: girlfriend after that hunt, we're like all day were up

835
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: there at ten thou feet in this craggy pass where

836
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: no elk ever lived. They would just go through there.

837
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: They would just there and it was snowing and it

838
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: was foggy, and we're going to go over and we're

839
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: gutting that that gutting that got and skinning it. And

840
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: you could hear do it Johnnie the way off Bugle.

841
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: I'll buy it. Yeah, it sounded like the Rickle a

842
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: guy a little bit with that. Wasn't your best. No,

843
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: you go doing it as because you know me do it.

844
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: He can do it. Way Off Bugle is a good

845
00:53:52,800 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: caller for anything, very good caller. Do one more yeah,

846
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: way off Pgle And through the fog and snow, we

847
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: see l going over that pass. That will always remember

848
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: that now. And then the next weekend I hiked into

849
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: where I thought they were going with my girlfriend and

850
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: it was Elizabeth and um, Elizabeth Roberts, think about you

851
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: once in a while. I love you a baby, That's

852
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: not true, but um uh. So we hiked in there,

853
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: and you and I had already hunted in there because

854
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: we went in there in June and there was alcohol

855
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: over the place where the oh this is the place

856
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: to go el conti And that was when we first

857
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: moved out. And then we were right now, you're right,

858
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: you're right now. And then we went back and we

859
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 1: sat there one time and counted we were back in June.

860
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: We're leaning against a tree that had a chickadee hole

861
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: in it, saw a black bear. Counted like girlfriend counted,

862
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: counted two. You saw a mountain land streaking down through there.

863
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: And then we went in there and tried to We

864
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: were like, oh, this is the spot where all the

865
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: elk live. And we went in back in there in September.

866
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: There was none because they just are there in the

867
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: spring in the winter. Yeah, that's right, that's right. And

868
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: then we found so uh, what I want to talk

869
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,479
Speaker 1: about that is that night we went up and didn't

870
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: want it grizzly to get it, so we wrapped that

871
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: goat up in the tree up in a subalpine fur yeah,

872
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: right by our camp. But it got real cold and

873
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: that goat hide froze up in the tree. Do you

874
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: were how long we're up there climbing up that tree

875
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: trying to get that thing back. Now it was stuck

876
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: to this we had all wrapped up in the hims

877
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: and it froze like a rock and we couldn't get

878
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: it back down. No, I don't remember that. I remember

879
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: we were packing out. We ran into four dudes up

880
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: there that we're fishing those lakes up there. I don't

881
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: remember that. I was like, really, you guys came all

882
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: the way up here into freaking fridges to fly fish. Yeah,

883
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: not even a goat tag in their pocket. Another quick

884
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: gold story I like chairs. This happened to a friend

885
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: of ours come out of the Air Force named Chuck Roberts.

886
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 1: He shot a goat and it spilled off a cliff,

887
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: and um as their wanting to do and and uh.

888
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: He started trying to climb down there to try to

889
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: get where he's going. So he came up one drainage,

890
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: went to the ridgeline, shot the goat, and the goat

891
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: fell off the other side. Starts climbing down trying to

892
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: go down and find the guy again. Remember that dude.

893
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: The first time first, I think it was the first

894
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 1: time we ever went caribou hunting on the north Slope.

895
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: That dude out of the Air Force. He used to pay, Yeah,

896
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: he used to pay. Yeah, he used to pay b twos.

897
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: And he wouldn't answer any questions about b twos because

898
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: it was all classified. But how have you fitting one

899
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: of them? B twos? Chuck, don't know? That guy was

900
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: an accomplished outdoorsman. Man. He was. He had all he like,

901
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: his gear was impeccable because he had worked, he had

902
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: worked packing moves for a guy out in the peninsula.

903
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: I thought he was good, not an experience, not an

904
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: experience outdoors. He had spent some time. Good guy. Maybe

905
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: not experienced, but good. Yea. He might have just had

906
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: been good from the he had gone out and packed

907
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: meat for an outfit or out on the peninsula. Remember

908
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: he had um he had what surprise me is I

909
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: remember he had a loophold spot and scope and some

910
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: loophole knockers, which is yeah, yeah, um he You know.

911
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: I hunted with him, just him and I for a

912
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: couple of days, and he was definitely the boss, like

913
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: I deferred to him, like I was just doing what

914
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: he told me. I'm not trying, I'm not trying to

915
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: say anything bad about him, but anyhow, tries to go

916
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: down to get the goat, and the climns climbs, clients climbs,

917
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: and uh, it gets dark and it was so steep

918
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: where he was that he took some paracord and tied

919
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: himself to some alders to sleep. Wow and send up

920
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: Wow gets daybreak, continues down looking for a state, finds

921
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: that there's a bear had just eaten it. Oh my god,

922
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: really punch his tag and now he's in the other drainage.

923
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: So he's like, I o to hell him. I could

924
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: climb back up and go back the way I came,

925
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: and walks out that drainage and why I can't already said?

926
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: He winds up thirteen miles from his truck or something

927
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: man and its peeled way off went off some other direction.

928
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: My father in law, um, the father of a person.

929
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to mention the US this conversation. Uh,

930
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: he shot a goat in the Louis did really in

931
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: the This is like six seven years ago now, in

932
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: the bare tooths and freaking he was Dad, try to go, yeah,

933
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: it's in their house mounted like the head. I mean,

934
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: not that it's surprised when he's not a he's like

935
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: a tea. Yeah. Yeah, he's more of a cowboy than

936
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: a hunter type dude. He does a little of the hunting.

937
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: So he went, like, I got to put in for

938
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: a tag drawing with a friend of his. They went

939
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: back on horses. He shot this goat and like as

940
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: soon as the thing hit the ground, there was a

941
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: grizzly on it, but they ran it off and got it.

942
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: They got it. Yeah, I had to go fall twelve feet. Yeah, yeah,

943
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: I know you did. It was like you told me that.

944
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: It was like a bag with bone fragments and meat

945
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: inside of Ye, it's it's The horns were on, the

946
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: head was split open um, the brain was gone, The

947
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: lungs were tucked up in the between the shanks and

948
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: the hide. The hide was completely loose. You just had

949
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: to make your opening incisions in the hide fell free. Yeah,

950
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: abs not just you know what. I took that hide,

951
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: so we went, we dug through it and got a

952
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: little game bag full of meat and whatnot out of there.

953
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: You know, it is burger. And I took that hide

954
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: and soon to be destroyed, and I went we went

955
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: down and I threw that hide and a creek and

956
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: threw a big rock on it. And we had found

957
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: an old uh an old plaster. Why did you do that?

958
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: Because it was just it was like all that was

959
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: was just gravel. I was trying to tell what was

960
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: going on. I mean, it was just gravel, and we

961
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: like drug it down. It was just like gray. We

962
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: couldn't find goat because the goat had turned the color

963
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: of the and it landed down and like the screen

964
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: slide tapered out and like became more granular, you know,

965
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: and at the bottom of the screen slide was just

966
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: like a pulverized shale and the goat's hide. I was

967
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: just so impregnant with that stuff. And we found an

968
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: old band and plaster mind and took him uh pro

969
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: pain tank and had a weed burning torch on and

970
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: we were aiming it at rocks. We're aiming it at rocks.

971
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: We get the rocks for hot and bring him in

972
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 1: our tent to warm up. But anyways, um, it wasn't

973
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: just like there, Yeah, you get it high, but it

974
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't last. But uh So, after a while I dragged

975
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: that hide out and the funny thing about it, the

976
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: hide was angelic and not a nick on it. Oh

977
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: really it Yeah, it looks great just but everything else

978
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: is just trash. Didn't Chuck end up getting married or

979
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: getting a girl pregnant and marrying. Everybody didn't really like

980
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: her very much. That rings a bell. It was shortly after. Yeah,

981
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: it was like some kind of like, uh, I don't know,

982
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: a prognosticative thing that him hanging off a willow tree.

983
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: Maybe he should have thought about the way his life

984
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 1: was going. I don't know, um, but uh, I really

985
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: like the like the child a lot. Yeah, because he moved.

986
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: He reached out to you not too long ago, didn't

987
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: he And then years now, but he moved to portland'

988
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: um so, how many pounds of a llama carry? Eight?

989
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: I put eighty on mine. Be way more conservative than that. No,

990
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: the first Elk I packed out with my lamas, with

991
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: Timmy and Hagey, they carried eighty pounds apiece and they

992
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: were carrying it down. Something was like it was so

993
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: freaking steep that you're more sliding down it then walking

994
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: down it. I remember you saying that, Well, that mountain

995
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: that you killed your first bull with with a bowl,

996
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: I killed my first bull with a bowl. Freaking fifty

997
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: yards from that same spot, Remember that mountain, Remember that

998
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: the sound of Timmy and Haggis hooves man freaking. I

999
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: remember that we made the mistake on the next hill

1000
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: over of putting boned out meat and game bags and

1001
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: thinking we'd roll them down the hill. Yeah, and one

1002
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 1: of them bursts, and we spent a long time looking

1003
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: at you to meet up and down that hill. And

1004
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: so you got to realize about a lama pack lama

1005
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: is that you told me once that a lama will

1006
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: go pretty much anywhere you can go where you don't

1007
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: have them to use your hands. And I think what

1008
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: you have to realize about their psyche is that it

1009
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: it defies like um human constructs. It's not. They're psyche

1010
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: is just so different than the human beings that it

1011
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: takes a long time to be all to identify with them.

1012
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: We're talking about an animals is not snugly, doesn't want

1013
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: to be touched, hates people, and I don't give a

1014
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: ship what anybody says. I feel like if I you

1015
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: know what I'd like to do sometime is have they

1016
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: make heart monitors that you can hook up to cattle

1017
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: for research purposes. I know this because of where I

1018
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: work as a cattle research place. I think that if

1019
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: you hooked up a heart monitor to my one of

1020
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: my llamas and I go off hunting in the morning

1021
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: and you graph it that they're the I could be wrong.

1022
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: I could so easily be wrong, But I think that

1023
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: their heart rate goes up a little tiny smidge maybe

1024
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: one two beats per minute, and then in the evening

1025
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: when I come back to camp, it goes back down. Yeah. Oh,

1026
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: by that, I think there's more to it. These are

1027
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: animals that when I try to catch them, they try

1028
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: to run away from me and I have to corner

1029
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: them in the pasture. But they probably there's probably a

1030
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: big gray area between being around you and being touched

1031
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: by and being like tied up to a roun. Yeah.

1032
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: I think that's like how many dogs want to be

1033
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: out and around, But that doesn't mean you want They

1034
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: want you to grab them and shove in the box

1035
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: right right. They don't. Yeah, Um, they know it's work time.

1036
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: But I think that they and and another component is

1037
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: the same animal that like wants to run away when

1038
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch it. Um doesn't want to be

1039
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: pet man. There's pride and workmanship with those things. I

1040
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: swear to god, you're getting way too complex. Did you

1041
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: get this game face? It's almost imperceptible game face when

1042
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: you put weight on their back and I feel like

1043
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: you're miseraching. Probably know you brought up about lamas a

1044
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: long time ago, and we used to do a little

1045
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: turkey hunting with the llamas more for like, No, it

1046
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: was nice because you could bring some nicer camp stuff,

1047
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: but a big motivation for it was you gotta exercise them.

1048
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: That's us. I don't believe that anymore. No, like you

1049
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: damn sure you used to believed. But now I just

1050
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: say this. I just say what it really is. I

1051
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: like hanging out with my llamas a little bit. So

1052
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: you don't think that a llama needs to get the

1053
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: exercise these four I have right now, all say do well.

1054
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: Either they're at peace. Most of time they're at peace,

1055
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: but I'd say ten percent of the day they're wrestling,

1056
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: and that wrestling is way more energy expending than pack

1057
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: and stuff. I mean, they go and they're trying to

1058
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: bite each other's nuts off and rolling on the ground,

1059
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: twisting their necks around each other, putting in one neck.

1060
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: One puts its neck underneath another one lifts it off

1061
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: the ground. So they're they're doing a lot more than

1062
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: if you just took him out for a hike. Oh yeah,

1063
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: But the thing I was gonna say is on these

1064
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: little jaunts we would do for turkeys with the lamas

1065
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: carrying pretty nice can't you can bring like beer? And

1066
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: you know we'd bring fresh fruit instead of backpack food. Um.

1067
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: I remember you saying that, uh, that that you felt

1068
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: that they kind of liked just being out walking, and

1069
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: think they do. And the thing that you brought up

1070
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: is that that that you can one way to read

1071
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: a llama and the only that's really you probably have

1072
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: many cues you're looking at, but for me, I'm looking

1073
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: at it's ears. Right when he's got his ears cocked back,

1074
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: he might be fixing to spit on you, which is awful.

1075
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: They spit like a They spit their stomach contents up

1076
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: at it smells. It's horrible. I only had to happen

1077
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: one time where I really caught one flat ass square

1078
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: in the face because at each other all day long, right,

1079
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: they spin each other each other down. But the longer

1080
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: these four I have, now it's like all you do

1081
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: is fight, Like if I stop on the trail, they stop,

1082
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: start fighting. Yeah what it was four or five days?

1083
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: If you're hiking there, five you stop and give him

1084
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: two minutes and they're like, oh, I guess I'll start

1085
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: a fight. But that's what that's what I say. Like

1086
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: walking on the trail with them, they get their ears

1087
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: forward and they're like they're not like moving like a

1088
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: lot of times a law was moving because you're behind it, right,

1089
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: and he's like what it? So he moves, you know,

1090
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: but they kind of like get going down the trail

1091
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: and he really looks like a dude walking down the

1092
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: trail who's real on going. Like picture you're walking down

1093
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: a long trail. It's all shitty and you're just some

1094
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: thick timber. And then you get out like some big

1095
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: metal you know, along the stream right and there's trails

1096
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: and you can find look around just like that's what

1097
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: the llama is seening. Oh yeah, he's like yeah, yeah,

1098
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: to see something. Yeah, And he's four. I like, unlike

1099
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: my first string um, who like sometimes sometimes weren't real

1100
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: anxious to go, these four I got now. God, there's

1101
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: I don't even know they're back there. They're just always

1102
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: loose rain, right, there with me. They just want to

1103
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: freaking make tracks. What's a lama? What's a good race?

1104
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: Ready lama? Cost? Because you had some shitty lamas and

1105
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: then you got good lamas well. I don't know. Hagy

1106
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: was my probably my favorite. She was fifty bucks from

1107
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: that rescue center. So Haggy proved to be a good lama.

1108
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: She was fabulous. She was as good as the high

1109
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: test lamas that you have now, Yeah, my least good lama.

1110
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: Haggy was everybody as good as the ones I have now,

1111
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: but you pay considerably more. Now, Well, it depends on

1112
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: which one we're talking about. I got one of them

1113
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: out there. I paid an eye popping freaking hundred dollars

1114
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: for remember that. And he's, uh, he's probably the worst one.

1115
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: He's the cutest one, and so I really I adore him.

1116
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: He's super cute and he's got a lot of character.

1117
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: But in terms of a pack lama, he's good, but

1118
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: he's not any better than the other ones. One of

1119
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: them I got for free. One of them I got

1120
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: because I lent my llamas to a guy for the summer,

1121
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: so that lama packing business and lives up in the

1122
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: tea towns no, no, no, that was a different company. Um,

1123
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: that was Haggy. They got it still living at large

1124
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: in the Ta Tons. But uh, that's given her the

1125
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah it is.

1126
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: Um who's a pile of bones up in the t

1127
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: tows for one. People just gave to me. These people

1128
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: lived up by Seattle, just gave her kim to me.

1129
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: J they called they named him journey Is. I think

1130
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: that's dorky. So I called him j Um for free.

1131
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: They said, quote unquote, you needed a job, um, And uh,

1132
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: it's funny. I went over to get him. They were

1133
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: he lived up by Seattle. You drove over there to

1134
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: get at I did. I drove to. I drove. They're like, well,

1135
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to court a lane with our llamas. Ah.

1136
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:32,560
Speaker 1: This was summer two thousand sixteen, and um, so I

1137
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: was like, oh, bring j and I'll get him there

1138
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: from you then, because that's way closer twelve hour drive still.

1139
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: And what I did is I didn't want to take

1140
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: my horse trailer all the way over there, so I

1141
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: took the back seat out of my pickup truck and

1142
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: drove over there. And the reason they were there is

1143
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: they were carding their a llamas. It's all these retired couples.

1144
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,440
Speaker 1: What's carting Alama? Means like they got little lama chariots

1145
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: and drive them around this this fart which I got

1146
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: to do and was a freaking blast. And when I'm

1147
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: a retired person, that's gonna be my stick totally. Yeah.

1148
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, shifty girl. Oh this one woman had a

1149
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: little part. You're not allowed to have dogs off leash

1150
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 1: of this park. It's like a huge park with trails

1151
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: all over for horse riding and there's like lama signs

1152
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: like this is a Lama trail, this is the horse trail,

1153
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: which I couldn't believe. She has this little arm cutting

1154
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: off her cart with a clip off of it and

1155
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: it was for her dogs side car eccept the dog

1156
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: had to run, you know. It's like but um, so

1157
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: that's where I got j for free. One of my

1158
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: Lamas got for free because the people sucked at carting. No,

1159
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: they never tried him, calm um. He just wasn't being

1160
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: used for anything. Well you met that guy that was

1161
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: his owner. Remember I had you give him some seafood

1162
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: for that guy? Yeah? Um soh yeah nice guy, yeah,

1163
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: super nice guy. What Arni bucks Uh, no wonder I

1164
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: liked Arnie tad j a saka food tad I would

1165
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: have bought for a thousand, but people bought hundred. But

1166
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: people bought him for me because they lost Hagi. Um

1167
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: Jay was free and Louis I got for free because

1168
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: I lent my other llama, my llamas to a guy

1169
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: for the summer. Did you name that llama after your

1170
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: father in law? No, he came pre named. I guess

1171
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: is he named after Louis? And have you ever named

1172
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: a llama? It would be a good name. It's it's

1173
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 1: like he is. If I had to pick a llama

1174
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: that is like my father in law, I would pick him.

1175
01:13:54,400 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: Though my father's full blood Filipino and so he's short,

1176
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: but he's like very he's in his mid stuff seventies,

1177
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: but he's very athletic and tough and this and this

1178
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: is like a short, squat little llama. Loui's not squappy.

1179
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: Is lamas short when he says he looks like a

1180
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: hippopotamus dot gon and I mentioned my wife again. Um,

1181
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: but he's super tough. He does remind me of Louis. Yeah,

1182
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: he's cool. I was Louis. I haven't met Louis the Man,

1183
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: but Louis Lama is my favorite. And then I think

1184
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: that Arnie was my second. Now, you used to have

1185
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: a Lama that had gotten hung up in a fence,

1186
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: Majel and got his jaw jacked out of alignment. You know, awesome,

1187
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: awesome Lama. So I there are pictures. If you want

1188
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: to see pictures of mass lama is, all you gotta

1189
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: do is go by the Complete Guy, the Hunting, Butchering,

1190
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: and Cooking Wild Game, volume one, and you'll see that

1191
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: that's our guide book. That was kind of a sly

1192
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: little play. Yeah, yeah, Majel. When I got all these boys,

1193
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: and I got four boys, it would have it would

1194
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: have been a they because they don't know that they're fixed.

1195
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: Oh man, they would They're always wrestling and fighting. Now

1196
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: if you put a girl out there, it would be

1197
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: game on. They don't know they're fixed. So it does

1198
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: it takeaway urge? No, No Arnie. For a while I

1199
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 1: had Arnie and two girls. Oh man, he just freaking

1200
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: ride him constantly. So in the old days, when they

1201
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,879
Speaker 1: would make Unichs, they would take humans and make Eunichs

1202
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: to guard harems. The Unich would feel all those urges. Oh,

1203
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Maybe something's different with the

1204
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: camel at physiology. I don't know. I'm just saying. Alls

1205
01:15:53,240 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: I know is Arnie is a freaking stud without balls. Yeah. Um.

1206
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: So Now when you're out hunting and you kill, when

1207
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: you're by yourself and you kill a bull, like when

1208
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: you're walking into the mountains, you're not carrying ship, just

1209
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: your boone arrow. Well I got my camp. But why

1210
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: why do not have the lamas carry? They're not carrying anything?

1211
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 1: Oh me personally? Yeah? Yeah, like you walk, I carry

1212
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: a backpack and with a few like because if you

1213
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: take a bunch of ship out of one pan, you're

1214
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: then you gotta balance amount and all that. So anything

1215
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: I need for the day, I have it on my back.

1216
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: And when you kill it out, if you got four,

1217
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: you can move one by yourself with how many llamas

1218
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: and not have to carry anything? Well except your camp.

1219
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: I've done it with two, like I say to me

1220
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: and Haggy. They packed out my first archery bull. But

1221
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: it felt a little bit um irresponsible, too much weight

1222
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: for but three, no problem. Now I got four and

1223
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 1: if that feels rocks, So if one of them died,

1224
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: would you replace it or would you be like sweet threes? Good?

1225
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I think I I think it's always I

1226
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,759
Speaker 1: think I would always have four. It's just no harder

1227
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 1: to have four in that way, if some one of

1228
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: them get sick or um, you know, just a little

1229
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 1: bit of it, it's it's just not not any more

1230
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: hassle to have a fourth one. I feel like one

1231
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 1: time we took those llamas and carried out three deer

1232
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 1: on them in Don Custer Forest. Yeah we're going somewhere.

1233
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: I remember you shot a white tailed dough on the

1234
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: way in Yea. Then we killed a buck, shot some

1235
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: other deer, put him on there, got dark, had an

1236
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: argument about how to get out of there, swung through

1237
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: and picked up that dough. I think we had three

1238
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: deer and our backs. Now transporting the llamas. You used

1239
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: to carry your lamas around in a van, a twelve

1240
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: passenger vans. All those retired people when they were when

1241
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: they were doing that lama cardinglat summer, all of them

1242
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: had vans to carry the mama vans, Mama vans, and

1243
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: my van tricked out ones like but I want okay,

1244
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: go ahead, but my yeah, we'll get back I might

1245
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: cover this in the course of this, So yeah, I

1246
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: want to cover how pists flows through a ya lama vans. Oh,

1247
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: we're not gonna get into that, because what I was

1248
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell you is, yeah, my my van was full

1249
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: of piss and ship but um but yeah, they're basically

1250
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: just like what you'd call it a kind of line,

1251
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: right because it was a dodge, But yeah, like line.

1252
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: I got so much attention on the Expressway and that

1253
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,839
Speaker 1: thing at gas stations, I'd have, dude, if you gas

1254
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: you had to plan on having a marathon bullshit session

1255
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: was at least four or five guys just though, just

1256
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: getting gas and getting gone. Um. Yeah. And they're like

1257
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: on the interstate, you know, you'd see somebody coming up

1258
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: to like pass you, and then you'd lose. You'd lose.

1259
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 1: I'd lose them in my blind spot for like a minute.

1260
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: And it's because they're like just freaking at the La Llamas.

1261
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: And but these people, these retired couples, they had nice fans,

1262
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 1: carpeted and these lamas because they spent so much time

1263
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: with them, it was like compared to my llamas, these

1264
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: lamas were like it's just ridiculously tame but they and

1265
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: they asked it. They must have gasketed the they take

1266
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: they take their lamas out every two hours at rest

1267
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: stops and let them go. But the area because like

1268
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: you know the picture of van with no pickup truck

1269
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 1: bed with no liner, it's core. It's like it's not corrugated,

1270
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: but it's like a corrugated like there's troughs well to

1271
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: put it in rifle terminologers, lands and grooves right, and

1272
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: remember you text you tech screwed the piece of angle

1273
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: iron across there, But it didn't. That wasn't. That wasn't

1274
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: to keep urine out of the front of the van. Oh,

1275
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: that was just that was because I had an expanded

1276
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: metal grate between me behind the seat to keep them

1277
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: the llamas from like slamming into the freaking uh, I

1278
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 1: don't know the front of the van if we if

1279
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 1: I hit the brakes real quick. Yeah, so if you

1280
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: had what I had was laying I had along that

1281
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: piece of angle iron. I had some beach towels, that's right,

1282
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: to try to keep you if you're and started riding

1283
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: up that way. He slammed the brakes and the year

1284
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: and to kind of come up and get up and

1285
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: then you take off, you flow back away from you.

1286
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: The thing I like about this I feel like your

1287
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: first date and I'm bringing her up this time, your

1288
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: first date with your wife. Did you show up with

1289
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: that van ful a llamas? She met me at a

1290
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: motel and I had the van there and I had

1291
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: the llamas and a corral outside the motel. And her

1292
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: first date, she guys were introduced by friends. And your

1293
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: first date, she got into that vand fill those llamas

1294
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 1: and you guys went up and killed the bowl. No

1295
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: second date, we killed the bowl the first date. We

1296
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: struck out. That's pretty interesting. But she grew up around

1297
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: livestyle horses, high test horses. She loves the llamas. Um.

1298
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm often like, why don't we because I'd like to

1299
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: do it, like go on horses once, just to see

1300
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: what that's all about. Like, and I was like, why

1301
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: do we take some of the horses and go and

1302
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: she she can't even conceive of that. She's like those

1303
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: horses that way because there using day ride and it's

1304
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: She's like, why in the world would we do that

1305
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: when we can take the llamas. She likes llamas, she's

1306
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: just they're too much work and she's right. You know,

1307
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: a horse, you gotta take it to water twice a day.

1308
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: Llamas don't give a ship man. I've had my llamas

1309
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: out for eight days at a time, and I always

1310
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: lead him to water once a day, you know. Um,

1311
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: but I've had him out for eight day trips where

1312
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: they didn't drink a drop. These lamas, they're happy if

1313
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: you park them next to like a standard dead juniper

1314
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: like or like dead tree, like, I'll just eat these twigs.

1315
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: That's cool. Do you have you ever had like a

1316
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: train wreck? You know, people talk about like and I've

1317
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: seen it with like pack strings right where. I never

1318
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: did too much of the packing, but the wrangler would

1319
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 1: be packing up gear clients as the base camp, and

1320
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: we'd be hunting the meadow and you'd see him ride through,

1321
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: and then like an hour later, all of a sudden,

1322
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 1: here comes Zippy the mule with you know, the lead

1323
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: rope dangling in the wind, stuff just coming out of paniers,

1324
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: you know. And then like an hour later, here come

1325
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: to the wrangler and we'd help him pick up the

1326
01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 1: trail of stuff like our lam was capable of. No. No,

1327
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: the most drama I've had is Hagy used to when

1328
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: she would get loose, she thought it was funny to

1329
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: run back to the car. And if you could be

1330
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: way back in there, three miles, and you could hike

1331
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: in there, the whole way freaking off trail. What time

1332
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: I was in a boat. I put him in a boat,

1333
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: Timmy and Hagy in a boat when we drove five

1334
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: freaking miles and packed in three miles, and she got

1335
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: loose and she ran back to the boat. I remember

1336
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 1: losing that. Yeah, I think there's no way found that car. Yeah, yeah,

1337
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: but no, nothing like that I saw. Yeah, was it?

1338
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: We had these guys, these horse guys coming through, and

1339
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: we still we got we're backpack hunting. And we got

1340
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: up the hill of the trail like you're supposed to

1341
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: do and got clear, and their horses got even with us.

1342
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: And this is they were all khunting. The last one

1343
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: was a mule, the one that free freaking freak, and

1344
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean rolling down the hill, ship flying everywhere, wooden pans,

1345
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: winging off the tree, splintering wooden old school wooden pan.

1346
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: He's just bursting. I remember, do you remember what that

1347
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: guy yelled up the hill? What the fuck you guys

1348
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: got on? Yeah? So something. You would know something your

1349
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: horse wouldn't know what smelled like. I think we actually

1350
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: said that. Yeah, it's funny, man will freak a horse out.

1351
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: I've heard that many times. I feel bad. I don't

1352
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: mean to be laughing at the brother's misery, but his

1353
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: response of what we got on as though there was

1354
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: like something like deeper explanation. Yeah. I think he was

1355
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: an outfitter and he was trying to be like to

1356
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: his clients like my they these guys are messing up.

1357
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: It's not my lot stock that's messing up. Our brother,

1358
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: our older half brother, who was uh elk, and he

1359
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: was an elk guy, but did a lot of other

1360
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: kinds of you know, auxiliary hunts. He was saying that

1361
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: when they would kill a lion, um he would do lying.

1362
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: He had a houndsman that he worked with, and when

1363
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: they would kill a lion, those horses would not want

1364
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: to pack that lion. Obviously you don't. They don't want

1365
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 1: to lie on guid lion hunters. They he remember him

1366
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: telling me that they would cut a track and now

1367
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: I know, now I got to know guys to do this.

1368
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: Him saying, oh, yeah, we won't call the clients, will

1369
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: we cut a track. I remember him calling telling me

1370
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: that he had a client in Dallas called that guys

1371
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: as to cut a track. The guy flew up, but

1372
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: he was saying they would just go he'd go up

1373
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: to the lion or whatever and just get his hands

1374
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: drenched in blood and then go up and rub that

1375
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: on the horse's face because then he can't tell where

1376
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 1: the smells coming. Then once he calms down, you can

1377
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: put the thing on his back because he just can't

1378
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,799
Speaker 1: tell like what he's trying to get away from anymore.

1379
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a lama and they didn't want

1380
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: to pack me? Lamas don't care about that at all.

1381
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: They'd pack a lot, but that's bad. Yeah, you could

1382
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: put Satan himself on a llama's back. He would not care. Man,

1383
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: they don't care about that, all right. Man, we've only

1384
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: got a third the way. Um, we've talked a lot

1385
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: about lamas. No, I know, but not all that. And

1386
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: you know I don't usually like to mix a business

1387
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: and pleasure. But I'm I'm here with my older two

1388
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: youngsters and I need to go and get them. Oh,

1389
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying we hadn't talked about lamas. No, No, no, No,

1390
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: I want to talk about I would continue to talk

1391
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: way more about Llamas. But my my, my, my, my

1392
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: boy and my girl are are with one of my

1393
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: closest friends. Yeah, and they're here to fish catfish with

1394
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: their uncle Matt, and I gotta go fetch them. Um,

1395
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 1: you guys are definitely gonna be fishing catfish by the

1396
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: looks of the time that river is. It's good though,

1397
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: it's good yeah, for catfish and for I think we're

1398
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: gonna catch the sturgeons. I'm optimistic matter urgin. Yeah, high water,

1399
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: good sturgeon fishing. Shovel knows not palets. Yeah, concluding thoughts,

1400
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: that was it? That was your concluding thought? Yeah, yeah,

1401
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 1: Yannie was um you know, Yannie's a Rocky Mountain squirrel foundation.

1402
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: He was scouting, um, scouting squirrel spots today. Yeah, man, yeah,

1403
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: And I'm how far is that? That's probably thirty no,

1404
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: an hour from here or not. Even if it was foresight,

1405
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: there was no I'm farther. Don't be telling No, it

1406
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: wasn't that place. Why we name in town, that's stupid. Yeah,

1407
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna to bleat that out. Uh Yeah, but anyways, Yeah,

1408
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: I found squirrel sign and turkey sign. Mm hmm, good Matt.

1409
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: Concluding thoughts, We don't know, we didn't get we didn't

1410
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: cover everything. No, this was fun. I thought that we would.

1411
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: I was afraid that we wouldn't have anything to talk about. No, no, no,

1412
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 1: that don't happen. Something about putting on a headset and

1413
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: having to be official like other people might listen to

1414
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: it makes it makes you a little chattier. Yeah, it does,

1415
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: and then that has the quality of pardon me, I'll

1416
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: be here to say that it does not make you

1417
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: guys any chattier. Oh really were like this normally? You know, mhm,

1418
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: pretty chatty, gentleman. You got any concluding thoughts? That was it? Well?

1419
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: That was including Yeah. My concluding thought is, um, I

1420
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: think it's pretty polite of you to ask if we

1421
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: had concluding thoughts. Oh yeah. There's a lot of times

1422
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: something you want to say that you just can't quite

1423
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: wedge it in there, you know, and you do it.

1424
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: But um, my concluding thought. I had an interjection I

1425
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 1: want to drop in earlier, but it didn't quite get

1426
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: a chance to say when we were talking, been about

1427
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: how you guys thought you guys were going so far

1428
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: when you're going up to that guy's cabin. Nor So

1429
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: last weekend, we're telling our kids we're going camping to

1430
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: Lewistown or Lewiston. I don't know how you pronounced. Why

1431
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: are you drop? Why are you dropping? Like every single

1432
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's the deal with Lewistown, New Hampshire. Right,

1433
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: you can go camp lewis Ton, Idaho. Okay, but you

1434
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like camp a million places in

1435
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: this state. They all have names. Um, so we're just

1436
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: going camping. Everybody go camping in Lewiston, Okay, But we're

1437
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: telling our kids were going camping in Lewison. And my

1438
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: youngest is, uh, is that North America? Yo? Yes, it

1439
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: is Montana, North America. I don't think I have Yeah,

1440
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: I mean I got, I got, Like it doesn't count.

1441
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: I have two weeks including thoughts because um, I feel

1442
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: like we didn't we didn't get everything. But but I

1443
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: would like to say that it's been really fun. Two.

1444
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: It's been fun to watch all the all this Alama

1445
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 1: stuff take place over the Yeah and being started out.

1446
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,480
Speaker 1: It started out with like they started out his instruments,

1447
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: and then it became a like a just part of

1448
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: the family to Yeah, and you've just learned so much. Yeah, yeah,

1449
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: I feel like now yeah, but I feel like now, um,

1450
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like now you've gotten to a

1451
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: point where you're almost like, uh, probably finding out things

1452
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 1: abottom the people don't know or that Americans don't know. Right,

1453
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I've got some insights on there that

1454
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't have got from my lama mentors, you know.

1455
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,799
Speaker 1: And that's the interesting thing, like in in the field

1456
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 1: of like, like when discussing just the idea of expertise,

1457
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: it's interesting one when to see someone crossed the threshold

1458
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: where you you spend a long time accumulating what's known, right,

1459
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: and then you start to delve into and then you

1460
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: cross this thing and you and you start being able

1461
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: to say, like what you found Yeah, eventually because the

1462
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: interaction between the way your brain works and I guess

1463
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 1: in this case, the animal you're dealing with, you know,

1464
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 1: which is unique to you. You know, it's not something

1465
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 1: that can be taught anymore at that point. Um, And

1466
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: talking to Kevin Murphy, I know, it's like I know

1467
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: that he has found out things, like he knows things

1468
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 1: about squirrels and squirrel dogs that are not known by individual,

1469
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 1: and I become friendly with a guy named Tommy Eidsen

1470
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: in Seattle. We started out as email and text buddies,

1471
01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 1: but we met recently and like, he likes to fish croppies,

1472
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: even though he's from the Pacific Northwest born and race,

1473
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:07,839
Speaker 1: likes to fish croppies, and um, talking to him about croppies,

1474
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 1: You're like, he's crossed that threat. He knows stuff about croppies.

1475
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 1: The other guys. Yeah, Like he's found out stuff. And

1476
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 1: then you could be the kind of jackass who thinks

1477
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: he knows stuff about the other people don't know, but

1478
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: he don't, which is insufferable. Yeah. I don't think there's

1479
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,759
Speaker 1: any motivation for me like that. With me and my llamas,

1480
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. I'm never

1481
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: even around other a llama people. You just want my

1482
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 1: llamas to be happy and well cared for that. So,

1483
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: but you use the term the llama community. Yeah, but

1484
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: you talked about being ostracized, not that you were, but

1485
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: that it would be used to talk. I've had a

1486
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: few that I had to get rid of because they

1487
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 1: didn't work out. About all his pack llamas, and you

1488
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 1: had a lot of anxiety that they'd be hard to

1489
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: get rid of that turnout to not be true, you'd

1490
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,040
Speaker 1: be ostracized by that. I was like, man, I and

1491
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: I have to butcher this thing and put in my freezer,

1492
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 1: which would be heresy in the Lama community to eat one.

1493
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: Did I tell you that I ate Lama? Yes, you did.

1494
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Stringy as it was just like in a. It was

1495
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: in a. It was in an Andean It was outside

1496
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: as salt to Argentina, and it was in like an

1497
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Andean version of I'm space and name what's that dish? Uh?

1498
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: You know people associated with like Mexican food. It comes

1499
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: wrapped in the corn husk. It was in like, yeah,

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01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 1: very good. It was in a sort of Andean Tamali

1501
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 1: with kind of an Andian spin, I guess. And there

1502
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: was Lama meeting there, And I mean it could have

1503
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: been a person's meeting there. You wouldn't have known it

1504
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: just being stringy and light's not offensive. A regional chain

1505
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: in town. There's a restaurant's part of regional chain chain

1506
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 1: in town of Miles City here called the Ribbon Chop House.

1507
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: And I remember, and once in a while they'll have

1508
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: something out of that ordinary. I had alligator there a

1509
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 1: few years ago, but I know it. For a while.

1510
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: They had lama on the menu a couple of weeks. Yeah,

1511
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,560
Speaker 1: I ate some horse once. I'd like to try that.

1512
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: Everybody says that's delicious, all right, Yeah, any last little

1513
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 1: did you pick up any last little concluders? Matt, you good,

1514
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm good. Thanks for joining us. Man. This has been

1515
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: a great uh discussion, and I would like to um resume. Yeah,

1516
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: we should definitely continue in the in the in the

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01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:38,759
Speaker 1: near future.