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Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. I welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie, my name

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Speaker 1: is Caitlin, and we have the podcast that you're listening

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Speaker 1: to right now, and it's about women and how they

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Speaker 1: are portrayed in movies. That's right, Usually not very good,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes okay, sometimes okay, sometimes good good, like the

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Speaker 1: movie we're talking good today. Yeah. I was talking to

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Speaker 1: my friend about this. The fact that it took us

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Speaker 1: this long to talk about this movie when it's been

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Speaker 1: our header on Twitter since the beginning. WHOA. Sometimes I

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Speaker 1: like to think about when we when we met up

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Speaker 1: still didn't know how to talk to each other. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I emailed you and I was like,

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Speaker 1: do you want to do podcasts with me? I have

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Speaker 1: a ninety literally an email and now I tell you

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Speaker 1: every time I like p Yeah, what a beautiful friendship.

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Speaker 1: I know. Hey, quick question, since we're talking to women stuff.

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Speaker 1: I did something last night where I was like, would

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Speaker 1: this hurt? Like, couldn't hurt? I was hoping it would help,

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Speaker 1: but then I was like, put it actually hurt? Expired

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Speaker 1: bad dresso wipes? Where are we out on that? Um?

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Speaker 1: I googled it and they were like, it can't hurt.

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Speaker 1: And maybe they're just not as potent as they would be.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Is it like an itch? Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you've got if you've had a weird week sometimes you

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Speaker 1: need one. And I hadn't had. I guess I hadn't

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Speaker 1: had a weird weekend a long time. But I was

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Speaker 1: at first I like classic, I blamed myself. I was like,

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Speaker 1: certainly didn't funk this week? I like what happened? And

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Speaker 1: then I was like, you know what, Jamie, you're wasting

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Speaker 1: time blaming yourself. Where are those expired vegical ones? And

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Speaker 1: then I used them and today no itchin, no scratching,

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Speaker 1: Oh good, feeling good. I'm so glad. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: had to throw away expired condoms? Because I've had to

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Speaker 1: do that on a number of occasions. That's the implications

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Speaker 1: of that, Yeah, No, I have sex regularly enough to

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Speaker 1: use the condoms that I stole from the Boston University

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Speaker 1: Health Services office. Well, i'm allergic three years ago, as

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm allergic to latex, so I really need

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Speaker 1: to like plan. I didn't know if I knew that really.

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Speaker 1: and also I'm a huge advocate of the sex plan.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking weeks in advance. Like I'm not one for

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Speaker 1: the spontaneous meeting of genitals, so I plan so far

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Speaker 1: in advance. I'm like, hey, get some get some non

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Speaker 1: late text condoms, like really some goat skin. But I'm

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Speaker 1: tricky thing is one time, when I was briefly dating

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Speaker 1: that vegan, he was like, I can't get a sheep

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Speaker 1: don't know, you figure something out. There was a condom

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Speaker 1: So all's well that ends well, well, that's your public

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Speaker 1: health announcement at the top of this Begdel cast. That's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: should we introduce our guest. I would love that super

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Speaker 1: She is a writer and actress, also a podcaster because

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Speaker 1: she has a podcast called Love Alexei on the Nerdest Network.

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Speaker 1: Not just any podcaster in Aristotle Associate. So like, this

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Speaker 1: is like, hi, caliber guests, this is important. I'm very

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Speaker 1: excited and it is Alexei Wasser. Hello, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me, Thanks for being here. I kind it so

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Speaker 1: introm like tearing out and crying. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I want perspect or live. They're very sad, they know

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Speaker 1: they were and I'm thinking with you, Caitlin, expired condoms

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Speaker 1: just saying that, you know, cooler implications dogs or run

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Speaker 1: It's a big moment for you know that. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: It's as simple as a click. Mother, and she came

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Speaker 1: back with you've met my mom and she's like a

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Speaker 1: problematic figure. Jill Offfice, I mean, how would you describe her?

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Speaker 1: a likely we're all drinking Mike's hart lemonade that Caitlin

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Speaker 1: brought and Aristotle got iced and he did Okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: nice possible thing about your friend, and then say, and

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Speaker 1: Hey what if? Sometimes you're a Felma or a Louise transition.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the movie we're talking about today. This

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Speaker 1: Callie Corey. I am not entirely sure how to pronounce

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Speaker 1: her last name, but Thelma Louise. I'll give the recap

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Speaker 1: the Caitlin's famous recap. Baby, I thin a good feeling

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Speaker 1: multidimensional characters um grow and change what they do. They

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Speaker 1: are dynamic as when Thelma, I thought it was so

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Speaker 1: smart how they By the way, it makes me love

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Speaker 1: Riddley Scott because he made this movie. I was just like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe it is so with it.

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Speaker 1: But when okay, so Thelma has a fling with the

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Speaker 1: new Bile Dewey ripped fucking gorgeous Brad Pitt and early

429
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Speaker 1: early bread Pitt is already gorgeous. We know, yawn, snooze whatever,

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Speaker 1: but he's so new bile and sexy and hot as fuck.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, love the word new bile. Let's bring

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Speaker 1: it back. It's it's back, baby. But when so Gina

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Speaker 1: Davis has this like fling, she's this hot sexy rendezvous

434
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Speaker 1: sex romp whatever in a ship hole motel with you

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Speaker 1: like whatever bere rooting for her during this, Oh my god,

436
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: was like, so she's fucking getting getting sucked by whatever. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you. So Gina David is getting

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Speaker 1: slammed by by Brad Pitt and during that rendezvous, she goes, well,

439
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Speaker 1: how do you rob these places? How do you hold

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Speaker 1: a place you know or whatever, liquor store or whatever?

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Speaker 1: How do you make your money? And he re enacts

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Speaker 1: what he does, like when he when he robs a

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Speaker 1: liquor store and then later after Brad Pitt steals on

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Speaker 1: the money from the girls, Gina Davis retains and remembers

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Speaker 1: the lesson that Brad Pitt, the thief, gave her when

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Speaker 1: they were having their fucking sex romp. And then she's like, hey,

447
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, I know what to do because I

448
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 1: learned from the guy who actually stole the money how

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Speaker 1: to do this. And then she goes and robs the

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Speaker 1: liquor store and it was just so smart. It just

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Speaker 1: all makes so much sense at all piece together. It's funny,

452
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Speaker 1: it's and uh yeah. And and to see her evolution

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Speaker 1: of her character or Tina Davis is like, I think

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Speaker 1: this is my calling, Like where she's like realizes like

455
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Speaker 1: she's a fucking badass. I mean she's been so repressed

456
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Speaker 1: by Darryl, her husband, that like the first chance she

457
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Speaker 1: gets to like kind of break free, She's like this,

458
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Speaker 1: this is means who I've always been. Who's Susan's Randon's boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: His name is Jimmy and he's played by Michael Madsen.

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Speaker 1: Another is killed Bill who he's bad? He Mary? Oh,

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Speaker 1: let's check. And also an exist anyone because I have

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Speaker 1: a crush only on six year old Now I have

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Speaker 1: a crush on Can. I allowed to talk about this

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Speaker 1: and I allowed to haven't talk about my crushes and

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Speaker 1: Tim Burton, Bryan Coffelman, who's married. I would never get

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Speaker 1: a married man. I'm just saying, it's like there my

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Speaker 1: celeb crushes or people i'm aware of who I think

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Speaker 1: you're handsome, Anthony Bourdain, Okay, I think come on these

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Speaker 1: men like so to Mend like that Madsin guy or whatever,

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Speaker 1: Michael Mason, they existed, get puffy, oh sor to Vince Vaughn.

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Speaker 1: It's such a bummer. Yeah, it's so weird when men

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Speaker 1: reach a certain asi and they just get puffy. I'm

473
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Speaker 1: body shaming that. Good. Let us do that to them.

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Speaker 1: We get borrations, babe, Yeah, stop getting so puffy. Ben

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Speaker 1: affleck and Gone Girl Puffies. Oh my god, he's a cheater.

476
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Speaker 1: It's the puffiest movie of all time. I'm gonna like,

477
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Speaker 1: I'm bringing down like the high brown nature of your podcast.

478
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Speaker 1: Oh I love that you call our podcast high Like?

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Speaker 1: Have we talked about questions? Can we talk about dates

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Speaker 1: we've been on with magicians? That's true A mentally smell

481
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Speaker 1: of the entire Boogie Knights episode just yelling hogs out

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Speaker 1: hogs out bags are not high brow means, private means,

483
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Speaker 1: but I would be remiss if we didn't talk about

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Speaker 1: old crushes without a quick shout out to Alfred Molina,

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Speaker 1: my beefcake. Oh my god, see married. Probably, I don't

486
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Speaker 1: know my old man crush is, which is like not

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Speaker 1: at all original or anything like that. Jeff gold Well,

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Speaker 1: but Paul Newman. But even as like an eighty year

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Speaker 1: old man, I would have still rolled around boy using

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Speaker 1: his vinegarette as lubricant. Oh my, that's an infection waiting

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Speaker 1: to happen. We can't just use just like I mean,

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Speaker 1: you need some fresh ones. Also, Alpha Molina has been

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Speaker 1: married to his wife for longer than I've been a

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Speaker 1: lot a friend. I want to sit on this face.

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Speaker 1: You do. I want to sit on his old face.

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Speaker 1: That's how he dies. Kill him with my love. Our

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Speaker 1: conversation is not passing the Bechdel test right now. You

498
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Speaker 1: know I told you I was going to devolve your

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Speaker 1: whole fucking feminist idea. Oh my god, I'm like, anyway,

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Speaker 1: I have a christ I would propose an asterisk to

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Speaker 1: the Bechdel cast, which is talking about fucking Alpha Molina

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Speaker 1: should pass the you're talking about murdering bothering him with

503
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Speaker 1: your love, pussy that's that's totally past the test. And honestly,

504
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Speaker 1: he might just like drown. It might not even be

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Speaker 1: a smart We're done anyway, moving on, I'm always so

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the sex scene between

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Speaker 1: j D and Selma, where like the first shot you

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Speaker 1: see that is just Brad Pitt's very chiseled, hot body

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Speaker 1: and it pans from his face down to his like

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Speaker 1: abs or maybe vice versa, but like you just see

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Speaker 1: like a lingering shot on his body, and like, yeah,

512
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: you also see shots of scantily dressed Thelma. But I

513
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Speaker 1: like that it's like equal parts, like hot naked bodies

514
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Speaker 1: together for unequal pay and we're bad back. Well, I

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Speaker 1: bet Gina Davis made more money on this movie than

516
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Speaker 1: Brad Pitt did. It could be because his character is

517
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Speaker 1: on the on screen for you know, ten minutes or happened.

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Speaker 1: I bet he paid more. Still that's the problem. Well

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Speaker 1: that whatever, guys, I'm sorry, stop away. Well, that reminds

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Speaker 1: me of the scene where they've been pulled over by

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Speaker 1: the cop later on in the film and he takes

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Speaker 1: Louise back to his car and he's like about to

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Speaker 1: run the license plate number and Filma comes up and

524
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Speaker 1: she's like, hey, I'm gonna took this gun in your face,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get into the trunk of your own car.

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Speaker 1: But the whole time they're doing it, they're just like

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Speaker 1: profusely apologizing. It's funny and like part of me is

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Speaker 1: like I wish they didn't have to apologize so much,

529
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Speaker 1: but it is. It is like kind of played for comedy,

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Speaker 1: and I do enjoy it because I would also probably

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Speaker 1: do the same exact thing in that situation and be

532
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Speaker 1: like I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry that I'm stealing

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Speaker 1: your gun and I'm so sorry that I'm locking you

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Speaker 1: in your trunk, and it's they're just so polite and

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Speaker 1: apologetic about it, and it's I really enjoy the scene.

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Speaker 1: That was. Yeah, that was so because like that's closer,

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Speaker 1: I mean as fun as it would have been to

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Speaker 1: have them go like scarface and be like not, that's

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Speaker 1: not it wouldn't play because I mean, that's not how

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Speaker 1: their conditioned. That's not how their condition And also, these

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Speaker 1: characters are very new still at being these like rogue albamies,

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Speaker 1: so it's more believable that they would be like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, like I'm a police officer and they shot

544
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Speaker 1: holes so you can breathe. That's right. We're maternal, we're women.

545
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Speaker 1: We can do it all. We can have a fashion.

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Speaker 1: Later on, there's a scene which is like I would argue,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little out of place, but I also don't

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Speaker 1: mind that it happens where that guy comes up on

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Speaker 1: the bicycle and he's like smoking and joint and it's

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00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: about racism, right, I mean, gonna help you the police,

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Speaker 1: and he just blows his like we'd smoke into the

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Speaker 1: air hole and then he just rides away. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm glad that happened like that. That's

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Speaker 1: a detail because we were talking before the podcast started,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin and I about writing stuff and whatever, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like that's an example of like a scene in

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Speaker 1: a screenplay that could have easily been cut, but they're like, no,

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Speaker 1: let's leave it or leave it in. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: did did you know that Callie Corey is married to

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Speaker 1: t Bone Barnett Sexy Callie Corey also made the Nashville

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Speaker 1: reboot that is her most recent move, Go Calli. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So t Bone started working on Calli's Nashville, but then

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Speaker 1: left after thirteen episodes, and everyone was like, is there

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Speaker 1: trouble in the te Bone Cally band? The world was

565
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Speaker 1: a buzz and then t Bone came out and was like, listen,

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Speaker 1: I love my wife. I love working with her. However,

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Speaker 1: you know, they needed how fee distance. And also he

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Speaker 1: had only agreed to thirteen episodes, so the fact that

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Speaker 1: he didn't continue is not a reflection on t Bone

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Speaker 1: and in fact it's just a testament to the fact

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Speaker 1: that Callie's got it go on t Bone work on inside.

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Speaker 1: Leewin Davis were not worried, and Callie was like, see

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Speaker 1: you later, see you at home, love you. It's like,

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Speaker 1: had a great relationship Katie Sigal and her husband on

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Speaker 1: The Sons of Anarchy. He created the show show another

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Speaker 1: you know, and at some point it's just like, can

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Speaker 1: we go again? I don't want to commute to work

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Speaker 1: with you. You know. Now, are we supposed to learn

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Speaker 1: with the Bechtel Tester? Is the Bechtel test supposed to

580
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Speaker 1: learn from us? Because as women, here's the question, because

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Speaker 1: I find myself in my day to day just going

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Speaker 1: how much time do I waste talking to every Starbucks,

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Speaker 1: every brief that every Starbucks, every girlfriend, I have about

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Speaker 1: whatever relationship turmoil I'm going through, like my dating issues,

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Speaker 1: my conundrums, whatever. And then I go, oh, my god,

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Speaker 1: what point is it about me venting and processing and

587
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: turn into just a time stock of me obsessing over

588
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: relationships and men? And then because it is a real

589
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: thing that exists in real life, and that's why I

590
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: feel like it's shown in movies women talking about relationships.

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00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: That's not all we talk about. But it's like, I've

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Speaker 1: got to remember this in my life. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a lesson to me in the future. So when I

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Speaker 1: start dating again, if I ever do not to talk

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Speaker 1: about it, I mean having a life that passes the

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Speaker 1: Vacteal test. That's what I'm saying about our life. My

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00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: life fails the Bactel test. No, but it doesn't because

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Speaker 1: it's like the Victeal test isn't about only talking about

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Speaker 1: things that aren't men. It's just doing that at all.

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Speaker 1: So really, every woman's life passes the Bactel test. If

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Speaker 1: you call your mom and you're like, can I use

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Speaker 1: expired vegetal wives already a passivntal test for the day,

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Speaker 1: because that's not about that's about the opposite of a man.

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00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: That's about expired feminine products. So it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: no one's life is going to pass the backtal tests.

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00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm certain Klin and my text conversations would not pass

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Speaker 1: the back tell the time. Sure, yeah, it's just like

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Speaker 1: you know, whose Instagram are you on? But what he does?

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00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: It's so fun because, yeah, Aristotle, do you ever talk

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00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: to your guy friends about girl stuff? You don't? Are

611
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Speaker 1: you wasted? You're boring? He's sucked up on a smart house.

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Speaker 1: Arizontle is the sweetest baby boy I've ever known. I

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Speaker 1: got there. There's a page that put up a joke

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Speaker 1: of mine this week, the kind of page where you're like,

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Speaker 1: someone's gonna hate me for being a woman and can't win.

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Speaker 1: You can't win. But I was looking forward to the

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Speaker 1: variation on which I could not win, because it's like,

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Speaker 1: once you know you're going to get fucking roasted, it's like,

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Speaker 1: what now I'm just strapping in and who has the

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Speaker 1: best burn? You know? And at the time, this was

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Speaker 1: like a picture of me about a year ago and

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Speaker 1: my hair was way shorter, and the comments had like

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Speaker 1: some variant one like who does this short haired bitch

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Speaker 1: think she is giving me sex tips? And it was

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Speaker 1: from a woman. Oh, it's not the words when it's

626
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Speaker 1: like a woman hating woman. I looked at her profile.

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Speaker 1: She has a long haired bitch. Oh my god, not

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Speaker 1: the answer. Actually, that reminds me of a story beat

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Speaker 1: that I didn't pick up on until this very recent

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Speaker 1: rewatch of Thelma and Louise, where the waitress who serves

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Speaker 1: them like clearly knows Harlan he's the guy who attempts

632
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Speaker 1: to rape Thelma. Um, she seems to know that he is, Like,

633
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: maybe we can only speculate us. She doesn't agree, right,

634
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: but she like she knows that he's kind of trouble

635
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: because then whenever, um, how Harvey Kitel, the lead investigator,

636
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: is questioning her, she's saying, like, he like, I'm surprised

637
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: this didn't happen sooner. Um, it was probably his wife

638
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: who shot him, Like she clearly knew that this was

639
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: coming to him, and we can maybe assume that he

640
00:34:54,600 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: has sexually assaulted other women throughout her So I was

641
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: a little bit bugged by the fact that like, I

642
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: don't know, she didn't warn these women that she wasn't

643
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: more of like an ally to them, were like to

644
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: stay away from him. He's trouble. That's true. That's a

645
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: tricky gray because it's like, especially if you're at because

646
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: even now, it's like if you put yourself in that

647
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: sort of position where it's like you're a stranger to

648
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: someone and you don't want to alarm them to the

649
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: point where they want to leave your place of business.

650
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: But it's also I don't know, it's all that's like

651
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: a hard interaction to have. But it was interesting to

652
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: see the fact that it's like, oh this for me,

653
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: that was like more of a plot indication of like

654
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: this is not his first assaulting women rodeo, I don't know. Also,

655
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: I did like Harvey Kitel's character. Yeah, he's gunning for them.

656
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: He was running for them, like in a positive way,

657
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: trying to shoot them with a gun. He was just

658
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: like trying them down, gun them them. It does make sense,

659
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: It totally makes sense. But yeah, he was But you know,

660
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: I appreciated that, and uh, I mean I had other

661
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: stuff to say with this. Mike's for lemonade, with making

662
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: so foggy everything, I just right where you want me,

663
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: the warm dregs of like the cant and it was

664
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: like so syrupy, an alcoholic I love, I loved every bit.

665
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: My indie band is called The Warm Drags. The Warm Drags,

666
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: The Warm Drag, The Worm Drags the Warm the Worm drags.

667
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: You might be distracted by my tattoo, which is a worm.

668
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: Are we having a third? Is that your second second?

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I'm down for third

670
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: about a third? Having a third? He's having a third?

671
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: Never just took his top off Channing Tatum style. We're

672
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: not even talking about that when he was. I don't

673
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: know if all of us are all flavor girls, because

674
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: I definitely am I Banks of the Los Angeles or whatever,

675
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: like kind of like alter whatever. But do you guys

676
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: feel I know we're talking about Elmolise will get right

677
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: back to it. You know when you watch, uh, what's

678
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: the movie Channing Tatum, are we all guilty of like, well,

679
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm not normally into those kind of meathead guys, but like,

680
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's so hot. I mean, don't you

681
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: feel like didn't you like get didn't you let me

682
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: to him a bit? Sure? Oh my god, I couldn't

683
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: believe me. I was so disappointed and exhilary. And that's

684
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: not like the chiseled like Grecian. That's like, not my type,

685
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: but what is your type? Beef? Oh my god, you

686
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: guys were failing the betel Cash I ruined. It's me.

687
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: I take okay, beefcakes and small men all the way.

688
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: That's my emma eavecakes and small I like, yeah, I

689
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: like frail pretty boys. You do. Oh my god, I

690
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: were like never in competition one of those girls. Oh

691
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: my god, I have like we're out of control, we're

692
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: letting our hair down, just like so much fun. That's true.

693
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: I love the cliff. If I drive off a cliff,

694
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean a guy named Cliff. And then oh, let's

695
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about feminism. What's in the real ship?

696
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: What's the movie film? I'm like losing the I'm losing

697
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: the thread. What is it called losing the narrative? There's

698
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: an Avril Levine lyric that it describes exactly what I'm

699
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: feeling right now, but I can't remember it. Let's find it.

700
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: It's do you know that song where he was a

701
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Speaker 1: skater boy? No, I used to have I used to

702
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: have a crush on the skater boy. Shout out to

703
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Speaker 1: Stephen Masserni. If you want to fourteen, you got a skateboard.

704
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Speaker 1: You're a sound kid. You got so tall. You got

705
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: too tall for it. I got I got too tall

706
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Speaker 1: for like everybody every room to christianize. We're bout the

707
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: same time, you guys. It's true. We're both like six

708
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Speaker 1: ft tall. Do you remember that website Post Secret? What

709
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: Post Secret was there a book that was made like

710
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: a coffee table book. It was a website. It was

711
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: like really really really popular when I was in high school,

712
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: and you would make a you would make a collage

713
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: on a postcard and would say your secret on it

714
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: and mail it to this guy and he'd put it

715
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: on his really popular website. And one time I got

716
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: my postcard onto Post Secret. But they're all anonymous, so

717
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: you don't know. And it was about how I was

718
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: five eleven but I had a crush on him boy

719
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: who was five ft three, and I made this collage

720
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: of like legs and then a really small boy and

721
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: I sent it and they were like, this is a

722
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: great secret. Oh my god, he needs to know. We

723
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: should call him. He's still alive. He might be dealing

724
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: heroin with my cousin. He was so cute and two

725
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: thousand and seven though, and it's like, I wish we

726
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: could make it work. I mean, we are derailed and

727
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: I will just SI setting the doorway back to Caitlin.

728
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: But I'm listening to um. Candice Bergen's Candy Bergen for

729
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: those in the now, but her autobiography about her love,

730
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: affair and marriage to louis like he made a who Made?

731
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Who Made? My Dinner? With Andrea? About to other movies? Okay,

732
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: their love stories incredible. Googled photos because I was like,

733
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: to know what the people look like. We're experiencing a

734
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: better love than I might ever have. Uh, and she's

735
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: way taller than him and it's kind of inspiring. Daniel

736
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: Radcliffe and his girlfriend too. Sometimes I look a pic

737
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: of them and I'm like, you know what, it's possible.

738
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: What were you gonna say? I would like, get out,

739
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: get the fun out, I love. I wanted to talk

740
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: about the like the really gross Perverty truck driver who

741
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: they encounter a few different times. So well, first of all,

742
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: I think the first time they encounter him, he said

743
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: something like I'm your muff driver, I'm your Stormtrooper of love.

744
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: And I just want to say that if someone said

745
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: that to me, I'd be like swoon someone might like

746
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: just like it was just Star Wars reference as a

747
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: pickup line on me, It would work, is all I'm saying.

748
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm just getting a feel for what the bar is here.

749
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: It is low, and but then like, and then they

750
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: encounter him a couple more times in the third time

751
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: Rule of threes. Guys love it. They're like, pull over,

752
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: let's do this, and then they yell at him for

753
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: being gross and disgusting, and then they blow the ship

754
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: out of his truck in a huge explosion. It is

755
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: one of my favorite scenes of any movie ever. Can

756
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: we talk about how this is the third movie we've

757
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: discussed on this podcast that Stephen Tobolowski is the guy

758
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: who plays Ned Ryerson. He plays He plays Ned Ryerson

759
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: in all the movies and every single movie, always in character.

760
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: He's so Harvey Kitel was like, I want to go

761
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: help these girls, and he's just like, I'm Ned Ryerson.

762
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: It's a great scene. Hey, I have a relevant comment.

763
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: I haven't had one in about thirty minutes, so I

764
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: feel like I'll have one. Okay, variation on apologies from women.

765
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I'm not sorry. The cool One of

766
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: the cool things about this movie all Susans Randon burning

767
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: brow shitt aside is that, uh, this movie seems to

768
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: really activate for, for lack of a better word, like

769
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of pro women activism for Susan Srandon and

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00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: especially Gina Davis, who has since started the Gina Davis

771
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: Institute on Gender and Media, which is like this really

772
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: cool organization that does a lot of studies about how

773
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: women are represent I mean, it's like perfect for us

774
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: to talk about. And there's a great thing from last year.

775
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: I've got some stats for you here, the stats from

776
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: the Gina Davis Institute on Gender and Media. For everyone

777
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: female speaking character, there are three male characters. Women only

778
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: make up about seventeen percent of people shown in crowds

779
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: and live action and animated movies, and just about seven

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00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: percent of directors, about of writers, and about of producers

781
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: are female. This is a statistic, unfortunately from last year.

782
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: Not so. It is very cool that this movie seemed

783
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: to really resonate with the people involved with it as

784
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: well as the people who saw it. I've made it

785
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: a life's mission to have everyone I know see this movie.

786
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: People like what do you want for your birthday? And

787
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: I'll be like, watch them on the Week. By the way,

788
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: does Gina Davis produced movies? Does she have a production company?

789
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: Because she should if she's I've found out about her

790
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: and what you're talking about. When I saw Misrepresentation, which

791
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: every person should watching it, I feel like it's on Netflix.

792
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: It was on Netflix, but you can find it just

793
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: google it. The only thing that bothered me about that

794
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: documentary is that it it places a lot of emphasis

795
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: on the movie. Twilight is like being good example of

796
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: like I didn't even realize that first. I mean not

797
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: a ton, but like the fact that it acknowledges it

798
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: at all is a movie that should be like, oh, look,

799
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: how I mean it was directed by a woman, but

800
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: that movie is garbage and that character is garbage. Um.

801
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: But apart that, it's like you set that aside and

802
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: just watch the rest of it. Um. It is a

803
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: very good documentary. Check out Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation Linda Ops. Did

804
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: you have you read her book? She wrote a book

805
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: called Hello he Lied. She's like a like an old

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00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: school badass producer woman producer, and she I was working

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00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: at something with her and she was like, Twilight, you

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00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: don't understand she's in this dysfunctional It's like early options

809
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: were choosing these two men, and I was like, I

810
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I had no idea. They're

811
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: so cute. The point in because my my mom Classic jail,

812
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: she owned the box out of the Twilight books and

813
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: was like, Jamie, you've got to read these. They're so romantic.

814
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: And I did enjoy some of them. But you reach

815
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: a point in the where asl is straight up did

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Speaker 1: he get out of his handcuffs? We cuffed him to

817
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: the um. But there is a point in the in

818
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: the Twilight Books where the girl was her named Bella.

819
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: She is broken up with by Edward Cullen, and then

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00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: there's a whole chapter that is just empty pages to

821
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: represent Now you read the books. I read the books,

822
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: and there's empty pages to represent how she felt, which

823
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: is nothing. Oh my months, three months. I need to

824
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: make this movie that I wrote that I forced Caitlin

825
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: to listen to the story about we gotta find Janet Davis.

826
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: She better have my I cannot believe I didn't even

827
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: realize they were empty pages in a book and there

828
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: to indicate three months of a young girl. I mean,

829
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: but the funny thing is heartbreak is real. Heartbreak is real.

830
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: But it's like you also go to school. You don't

831
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: process it by just having complete emptyess. I throw myself

832
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: into my work. That's how I, you know, take my

833
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: shame and my sadness and I put it into something.

834
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: After after my first breakup, I really threw myself into

835
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: the school play you did, which one for sure it was?

836
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: I played Classic Women Party, I played assassy secretary, but

837
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: like owned, you know the Susans. Randon said last year,

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00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: after that one and Louise, they predicted there would be

839
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: so many films about women, but it never happened. And

840
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting thing for her to say,

841
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: because I would wonder. I mean, I don't know what

842
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: the stats were on how well women were represented when

843
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: this movie came out. Definitely not well, But I wonder

844
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: how that compares to now? Where are they represented now?

845
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: Noel in the seventies, eighties and nineties to have a

846
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: better job of representing like fierce women, like between like

847
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: Alien and even like pre production code movies from like

848
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: the thirties, the women's movies pre production code are fucking on.

849
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: What's production code? The production code, the Hayes production code,

850
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: which was instilled between like four in like nineteen sixties seven,

851
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: which basically was all about censorship. Hollywood basically couldn't release

852
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: movies that had You couldn't have like an racial couples,

853
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: You couldn't have anything like sexy on screen. You couldn't

854
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: have uh, like overt violence. Any sexuality had to kind

855
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: of be implied or suggested that you couldn't like have

856
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: any sex on screens. Why, Like so many movies from

857
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: like the fifties and forties are just like not that racy, like,

858
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: and you don't see sex on screen until like the

859
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: late sixties. Yeah, So it's basically just a way to

860
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: censor movies. And then it was lifted in nineteen sixty eight.

861
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: I want to say that sounds about right. And then

862
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: you see all the seventies wave of mail, but ours,

863
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: who are you know? Show sex on screen sometimes while

864
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: sometimes not either way, it's at least shown. There are

865
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: like there are some movies I love older We never

866
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: cover older movies. Oh my god. It's always like Jamie

867
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: has never seen any movies but have but they're all

868
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: just no one. Can we just when I come back

869
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: in like a year or whenever you'll have me, can

870
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: we all talk about an unmarried Woman, which is my favorite.

871
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: Such a good have you seen that? Yeah? I know,

872
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: we got to go back to someone. Oh my god, please,

873
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't have the guest, whoever the

874
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: guests you want to be, I'm completely wasted for obviously

875
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: clearly apologizing, but an unmarried Woman is one of my

876
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: favorite movies. And then I also love Broken English and Swingers,

877
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: but like first and foremost for women's sake, I think

878
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: an unmarried Woman just you guys watch it, talk about

879
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: it with whoever you want. I'm available, but whatever. A

880
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: great next Spectel Cast, a few older movies that I

881
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: would recommend before we do get back to talking about them,

882
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: and Louise like, I've become like the weird podcasts Nazi.

883
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: Someone has to do it because you're fucking with it together.

884
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: But two ways that I absolutely love. The first one

885
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: I need to rewatch, but I am not convinced that

886
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: it passes the Bechtel Cast, which is the Bechtel test.

887
00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: We're also very very the Whole World at Um The

888
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: the Women, which came out in nine, which literally, if

889
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm remembering correctly, there is never a man in the movie.

890
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: It's so good and it's if there is a man.

891
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very brief, but this movie I do

892
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: not think passes the Backtel test because they're talking about

893
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: men the whole time, because they're arguing about men the

894
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: whole time. But it is directed by George q. Core

895
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: who was considered the women's director of the time, and

896
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: he did make a lot of great movies with powerful

897
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: female protagonists. It's also an early Joan Crawford movie. It's

898
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: really good. And then the other one that I watched

899
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: recently is Gaslight, which is an interesting movie for um

900
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: people who are either have been in an abusive relationships

901
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: or interested in learning where the term gaslight comes from,

902
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: because it literally comes from this movie. It was like

903
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: a play first, and then it was a British movie

904
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty, American movie in nineteen four with Ingrid Bergman,

905
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: but the British his version is really really good. And

906
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: it's about this husband who slowly convinces his wife that

907
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: she's crazy so he can get away with cheating on

908
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: her and in classic nine style, stealing her jewels. Her

909
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: jewels at the end like he's like, I've been stealing

910
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: your jewels the whole time, and she's like, I'm not crazy,

911
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: but you've been stealing my jewels. Um. Yeah, speaking of

912
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: abusive relationships podcast dictator um. Speaking of that type of

913
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: relationship though. One of my other favorite scenes in this

914
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: movie is when Louise is like, Thelma, you've gotta call

915
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: Darryl see if he knows anything, because at this point

916
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: they suspect that the police might be onto them because

917
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: they've committed several crimes. And she's like, if he acts weird,

918
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: if he does something like, hang up right away because

919
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: it means the police note. So Thelma calls, She's like, hey,

920
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: it's the Alma and Les Tilma hello, and she hangs

921
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: up immediately. She knows he would never answer the phone

922
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: like that under normal circumstances because he's such a bastard.

923
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: And it is just the Instagram is I've never felt

924
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: as good in my whole life. I'm still listening. I

925
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: don't need therapy. I have a podcast. Let's get a

926
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: let's get a T shirt. I want to make a

927
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: T shirt so bad, but the podcast of anything, of

928
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: anything I want. That's why I keep buying all my friends.

929
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: I'm wearing my friend Gina Winn Brent's t shirt. We're

930
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: talking at pre pod but everyone, everyone check out. Gina

931
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: win Wrench wrote this amazing book called Someone Plays Has

932
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Sex with Me and also buy her T shirts because

933
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: she's very She's like so talented and she's in Chicago

934
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: and it's like, my friend, I can't see you. Does

935
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: anyone have any final thoughts about the movie? Um, if

936
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: you haven't seen this movie, please see this movie. Like,

937
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: so we've spoiled everything, but we've still see it anyway,

938
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: But like, watching the dynamics between these characters unfold really

939
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: is a master class not in justin like movie writing,

940
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: because I remember when I was in film school, like

941
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: they film school too, sort of. I technically majored in radio,

942
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: but I took a lot of film class. Hey, you're

943
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: living your dream right now. You have a podcast. We

944
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: all are friends. Now you're gonna give me notes on

945
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: my script and you are too. You're gonna do that

946
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: professional you do. Yeah, oh my god, can you see

947
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: the biggest mistake of your life? Let me have your

948
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: email address and letting me cut your arm. I'm very expensive.

949
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've gotten I know. I Actually I'm pretty reasonable.

950
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: I've compared to other people might provide similar services. Oh

951
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: my god, I can't afford it. We'll talk any amount

952
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: of money afford it. I'm just gonna finish my third

953
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: free micro limit God and invite you one of my

954
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: podcast for this. I'll try to fenable something out of you. Okay,

955
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: pointing to Jamie, But I'm sorry, what's going on? So

956
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: any final thoughts? This movie is great? Oh yeah, I

957
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: was told. I was told, like even when I was

958
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 1: in film school, to read the screenplay to this movie

959
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: just because it's such a great exercise and like story structure. Um,

960
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: so all your story heads out there, story heads, shout

961
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: out to my story heads. Story I have a big

962
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: story head following. So to all my story heads, read

963
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: this movie and see this movie just because it portrays

964
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: women in a way that is not skewed or insane.

965
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: And you know, like these characters are making drastic choices,

966
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: but they're all very grounded and you don't see that

967
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: a lot. Everyone see this movie. To that, I would

968
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: like to add that women are so rarely written well,

969
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: or at least written interestingly, because we have different times.

970
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: We've discussed a movie where like a one woman character

971
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 1: is a badass, like Trinity from the matrix, but she's

972
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: not necessarily like a kick. Yeah, she can's my favorite

973
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: it's my favorite coat, and she's cool, and she might

974
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: have some quippy lines of dialogue, but she doesn't really

975
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: feel like a real person, like these two women feel

976
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: like real women. It's just so refreshing to see that

977
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: on screen. Uh. And sometimes, you know, I don't mind

978
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: it if a character is just like I wear cool

979
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: sunglasses and I punch people and I have a cool

980
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: line of dialogue. It depends on the genre. Like sometimes

981
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: it's fine, but yeah, I just I just love this

982
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: movie so much in regards to the only kicking female

983
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: and a lot of action movies. I feel like I've

984
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: said that a couple different times, like a kick. Uh.

985
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: And that is completely lifted from this really good McSweeney's

986
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: article that everyone should read, called as the token female

987
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: member of this action adventure team, my job is to

988
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: kick and it's by writer name Julianna Gray. It is

989
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: so fucking funny. It's star arts. I wear black leather pants,

990
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: I wear spike healed boots. When I kick, I pivot

991
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: like a goth ballerina and drive a heel into a

992
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: villain's face. It is every token female action hero and

993
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: it's so good, so read it. I would just like

994
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: to say, Caitlin, I apologize for not respecting you accepting

995
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: money for your services because you're a woman and a

996
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: human being and you provide a service, and the fact

997
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to not pay for it, it's really

998
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: fucked up. I just want to say that. Second of all,

999
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: thank you for letting me be here, and thank you

1000
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: for coming and for you know, smucking up your podcast

1001
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: taking it down and not your twelve talking about boys.

1002
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: Haven't We are very highbrow, you know, and I ruined

1003
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: it today. But I will get better. Okay, it's a

1004
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: working projects. Another thing that I would like to say

1005
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: is Thelma and Louise made me want to go on

1006
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: a road trip with the best We'll get a best friend, Okay,

1007
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: go find a car that could manage to drive and

1008
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: going to road trip. Fucking murder, misogynist, rapist mainly have

1009
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: sex with somebody like bred Pitt and then let drive

1010
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: off a cliff and kill myself. That's like, that's how

1011
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: moved I was. And now knowing that they're the misrepresentation

1012
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: of women in film is like so intense and heightened

1013
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: makes me want to, like even more inspired to make

1014
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: the movie that I just wrote and fucking find Tina

1015
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: Davis and like make a movie that's like the modern

1016
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: There are not enough Elm and Louise. Is now more

1017
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: Felm and Louise, So I'm inspired. Here's another thing with this.

1018
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: Doing this podcast today made me feel I have to

1019
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: share my feelings sloppy and sloppy and tipsy styles and

1020
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: by the way, therapy. I have lots of things I

1021
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: want to be doing and aspire to in my life.

1022
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: But then I realized the joy I experience just sitting

1023
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: here with you ladies and being in the moment talking

1024
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: about stuff and living my gosh star in life. This

1025
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: made me realize what life is all about, just having

1026
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: fun time by meeting new girls, like drinking my star.

1027
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: Somebody talked about feelings or whatever. Okay, you're welcome. That

1028
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: was beautiful. I will never be back. Okay, let me

1029
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: come back sometimes. Yes, anytime I'm feeling really good right now, Yeah,

1030
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to be operated. That's so high. But we

1031
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: can read my clibit article about it. Probably episode comes out. Sorry,

1032
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: this is how I make my living. Okay, no, no, me,

1033
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: I got a babory thing. I get it. I have

1034
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: to overcharge for script analysis, I get it. It's complicated anyway, Alexei,

1035
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: it has been the biggest pleasure to have you here best.

1036
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would like to plug or where

1037
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: can people find you online? I just want to say

1038
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: I love both of you. You're both many friends. I

1039
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: want to invite you to be on my podcast. It's

1040
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: called Love Alexei on nurdiced Aristotle is also my producer,

1041
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: and hey, I'll see you on the other side. Oh

1042
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: my gosh, there is another end to this rainbow. Oh

1043
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: can we just all assume we gave this five nipples? Right?

1044
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: We have to does the movie past the Bectel test obviously,

1045
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: pretty much any scene where Thelma and Louise are together.

1046
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes they do talk about Darryl and how he's a

1047
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: piece of it. Sometimes to talk about Jimmy and how

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: he also kind of sucks. They also objectified j D

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Speaker 1: quite a bit, But most of their conversations are about

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00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: their plans on how they're going to handle the situation

1051
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: they're in, the trip that they're going to take before

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00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: everything goes to ship, et cetera. What what was happening Jamie.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry. First of all, I'm drunk. Second

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00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: of all, I just got so close to the mic

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00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: on accident, like I might like that I smelled it

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00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: smell bad. No, it smells kind of good. It smells

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00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: like people's thoughts. O good. But I got so close

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00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: that my nostrils resting on the mic and then I inhaled,

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00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,479
Speaker 1: like deeply quick, pitch, real quick before we throw about

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Speaker 1: the Caitlin. What if a whole movie happened inside a

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00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: woman's head when she's overthinking and she's like, what did

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00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: it all mean? When even take me that? I think

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00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: this is what happened on you, because now you have

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Speaker 1: well on this plane bad all right? It would be

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Speaker 1: kind to the back to test, no question about it. Um.

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Speaker 1: We rate the movie on a god. How do you talk? Nipples? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I give the movie five nipples. Nipples, Alexei, would you

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Speaker 1: like to write on our nipples nipples? Fifteen nipples? I

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Speaker 1: love when we have fifteen nipples in the room, Thelma

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Speaker 1: and Louise super movie, Very well done, we love it.

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00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: Let's for good twelve back of Mike's Hard Every Time. Yes,

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00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: listen to Alexei's podcast Love Alexei. Listen to our podcast,

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Speaker 1: The becktel Cast. You can find us online on Twitter

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00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: at becktel Cast. You can email us at the becktel

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Speaker 1: Cast at gmail. Now we do. We forgot that we

1076
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: had an email account, and then we like the emails.

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Speaker 1: We've got emails from fans. Oh, everyone's complaining about our emails, right,

1078
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: it's a scandal. Yes, please emails. We will. It might

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00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: take us some time to write back, but we stopped

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Speaker 1: talking about our damn emails. Everyone. Just man, don't drive

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01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: off a cliff. No, stay on the edge of that

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01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: cliff and just fucking went on the edge. Live on

1083
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff, and then grab your best

1084
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: friend and give her a little kiss on the forehead. Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, I think that'll do it, okay. By By