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Speaker 1: Seth.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Refresh. This is Jake Hoefer and this

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Speaker 2: week we are doing this a little bit from a

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Speaker 2: mobile studio. I'm just wrapping up a new Mexico ELK

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Speaker 2: trip and we have a great episode with a variety

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Speaker 2: of guests Ohio, Pennsylvania, Who's going to New Jersey? And

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Speaker 2: we have Mark Kenyon kicking off the episode. Before we

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Speaker 2: get into all the guests and all the intel, I

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Speaker 2: in the US. It's been hot, it's been a little

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Speaker 2: bit stagnant, but there's still been some big bucks that

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Speaker 2: have been shot. And we have a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a front moving throughout the country this week. And so

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Speaker 2: if you're excited and you want to go out and

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Speaker 2: make a play, you're going to get some great intel

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Speaker 2: from folks that either have already shot a buck or

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Speaker 2: developing a plan to hopefully connect with one. Let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and kick things off with Mark Kenyon. Here we go,

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Speaker 2: all right, First up on the line, we have Mark

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Speaker 2: Kenyon and I'm still in my mobile recording studio here, Mark,

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Speaker 2: how's it going.

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Speaker 3: It's good, It's really good.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm not as good as you coming off

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Speaker 1: of an incredible LK hunt, but I felt like I

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Speaker 1: was flying pretty high. The white tail season is kicked

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Speaker 1: off here in Michigan. I've had a fun start to it,

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Speaker 1: so I have no complaints. Well good, well, good. So

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Speaker 1: what constitutes a fun start? Well, I have been out

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Speaker 1: three times since the opener. So I went out the

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Speaker 1: first two nights, and then I took off two days,

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Speaker 1: and then I hunted again on Sunday. And two of

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Speaker 1: those hunts are on my own, like you know, really

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Speaker 1: getting after the buck I'm going after. And those were

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Speaker 1: good hunts. And then the last hunt was more of

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Speaker 1: a family hunt. I took my two sons they're five

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Speaker 1: and seven, out four hunt with me, and that was

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Speaker 1: an adventure of a different kind, but very fun, fun

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Speaker 1: to have them out there with me. So so yeah,

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Speaker 1: the uh, you know, the good times were had with

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Speaker 1: the kids. And I saw very good activity on the

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Speaker 1: first couple nights, which I can tell you about if

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Speaker 3: On those early October hunts, what.

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Speaker 2: Did you see the deer doing and let's hear a

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Speaker 2: little bit about your setup, because those are some of

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Speaker 2: the first swings of the year, so they're usually maybe

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Speaker 2: the most calculated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know what I did the first couple

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Speaker 1: nights of the year was hunt a place where I

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Speaker 1: had pretty darn good chances of seeing the deer I

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Speaker 3: Low risk place to get into and to get out of.

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Speaker 1: And you know, given the fact it was the first

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Speaker 3: More risky, I would have.

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Speaker 1: But actually my intel was showing me that the buck

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Speaker 1: I was after was coming out to this kind of

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Speaker 3: So I decided I'm gonna hunt.

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Speaker 1: I had a perfect wind for a rare easterly wind

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Speaker 1: for this zone. I was hunting a tiny green food

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Speaker 3: And that was a setup for those first couple.

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Speaker 1: Nights it was, you know, a little bit cooler than

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Speaker 3: He had like mid eighties.

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Speaker 1: And then October first and second came and we got

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Speaker 3: Like the seventies. So I saw a decent bit of movement.

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Speaker 1: It was still pretty late the first night, but the

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Speaker 3: Number One, the bucks are.

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Speaker 1: Definitely feeling their oats like they're starting to just like

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Speaker 1: I've seen so much sparring, both in person on these

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Speaker 3: You're curious, come on over again.

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Speaker 1: Nothing aggressive, but just that very light little tinkle tinkle

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so were you able to lay eyes on your

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Speaker 2: twenty dos and seven different bucks.

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Speaker 1: I did not see my target buck. I did see

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Speaker 3: And a half folds.

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Speaker 1: I saw several two and a half folds, and I

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Speaker 3: He showed up at another food.

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Speaker 1: Been moving in the morning in daylight three different times

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Speaker 1: had and kind of the food set up, just like

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Speaker 1: hunt a morning without blowing things up. So I'm on

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Speaker 1: sure we'll get to it. But with this weather coming in,

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Speaker 1: I think there's you know, going to be several different opportunities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can jump right into the weather because

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Speaker 2: I think that you know, it's been elevated attempts here

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Speaker 2: It looks like there's a weather front rolling in Monday

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Speaker 2: good rainstorm, like creating a pretty good storm for opportunity.

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Speaker 2: With all that in mind, are you seeing that weather

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it's gonna be a little bit

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Speaker 1: different for everyone depending on where they are in the country.

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Speaker 1: So for me in Michigan, the front is hitting Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday, Thursday, Friday front. So you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: So I don't need to tell you to do this,

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Speaker 1: You know, somebody might say, well, Monday is going to

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Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. So we've got this big

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be the shot, and then it's probably

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Speaker 3: That's one idea I've had.

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Speaker 1: I'm debating do I want to do like one more

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Speaker 3: Those are the things I'm thinking about. But the two

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Speaker 1: Know, either hunting in the oaks right adjacent to his

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Speaker 1: there's one spot where this buck is beded a lot. Now,

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Speaker 1: I these bucks bed in you know, multiple locations, so

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Speaker 1: you never know exactly where they're gonna be, but I

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Speaker 1: know that this one, you know, several acres zone is

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Speaker 1: a spot that he spent a lot of time in

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Speaker 1: the past. There's a big scrape right on the edge

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Speaker 1: of it that he's hit a ton over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. That I have a tree prepped pretty

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Speaker 1: close to it that I can get to. It's just

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Speaker 1: a tough spot to get into if it's you know,

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Speaker 1: if it's super dry and still, you're gonna bump deer

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Speaker 1: getting in there. But if it's wet from rain in

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Speaker 1: the morning and there's some breeze, I could probably get there.

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Speaker 1: So that might be what I do for me. Tuesday

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Speaker 1: could be the wet, windy day. It might be worth

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's crazy that this might be one of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's what I'm looking at. I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, with all that being said, we

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Speaker 2: Where do you think the next seven a's are going

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Speaker 2: I didn't do that for anyone else, but we'll throw

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Speaker 1: Like I think it's pretty good, I mean pretty darn

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Speaker 3: Looks a little better.

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Speaker 1: So I would say there's plenty of things you can

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Speaker 2: Well, we have a Jeeven Mullet who shot an awesome

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Speaker 2: And then we have Aaron Hepler from Pennsylvania who opened

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Speaker 3: Thanks buddy, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Next step we have Javid Mullett with Whitetail Edge, who

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Speaker 4: Thank you, man, I really appreciate it. Thanks for the

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Speaker 2: For White Till Edge, yeah, your your tag is filled,

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Speaker 4: Yep, my wife, my wife. Everybody's telling telling my wife, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So basically over the years, I've kind of learned that

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Speaker 4: And and so I did. I also killed Opening Morning.

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Speaker 2: So talk a little bit more about that set up

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's that's the polar opposite of what most

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Speaker 4: percent success rate on these cameras, mockscrapes, setups, I should

438
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 4: have two or three spots that are gonna work for me,

439
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 4: like because I try to usually do my roll of

440
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 4: thumb is about a camera per twenty acres. Is what

441
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 4: I like to is what I like to do, And

442
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 4: then I just try to pick these spots. But this

443
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 4: particular spot was so this permission property was timbered seven

444
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 4: eight years ago and it's really really thick in a

445
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 4: lot of the lot of the wooded areas. And this

446
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 4: spot was a pretty steep hillside, west facing hillside, And

447
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 4: I often like to look for the east facing or

448
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 4: the north facing hillsides and try to monitor those spots

449
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 4: a little bit more for the south or west prevailing

450
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 4: wind a five on. So many deer like to bed

451
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 4: on those on those north and east facing hillsides with

452
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 4: the south through a west wind. They can watch down

453
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 4: the hill and they can smell from anything behind them.

454
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 4: But and this is another another key factor that that

455
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 4: was going on here is this particular spot was on

456
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 4: the west facing hillside, and it was I saw there

457
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 4: was a trail that was kind of coming coming to

458
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 4: the standing to the big oak timber, and and I

459
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 4: was I was fairly close to a property line here.

460
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 4: The neighboring timber is mature. There's there's big oak oak

461
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 4: flats on the neighboring timber, and then my side is

462
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 4: is timbered. There is some oaks throughout, but a lot

463
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 4: of it is just thick shrubby brush stuff. And so

464
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 4: this deer was headed to the neighbor's oak flat, and

465
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 4: so I was a little bit limited with I may

466
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 4: not have put the camera where I did. Obviously, if

467
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 4: I probably would have gone over to the actual oak

468
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 4: flat and made a mock scrape, but I obviously couldn't

469
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 4: do that because that's on the neighbors. So this scenario

470
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 4: was just trying to get that travel because I knew

471
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: that's what they would do once those those oaks start dropping,

472
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 4: those acorns start dropping, And that's why I put the

473
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 4: camera where I did. And now it ended up we've

474
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 4: been having quite a few north northeast winds and that's

475
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 4: what happened. He moved into this spot. I feel like

476
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 4: because of that northeast wind was on a west facing hillside,

477
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 4: and that's what I capitalized. Then Monday night, that was

478
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 4: the last predicted northeast wind that we were going to

479
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: have for a while, So I knew that if I

480
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 4: wanted to kill him there, I would.

481
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: Have to do it. Yeah, do you think there's strategy

482
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 2: looking out into the calendar for the next seven days

483
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: or so? Do you think the same type of strategy

484
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: and idea is something that people should have in their mind.

485
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean, obviously I think anymore if I I

486
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 4: try to have these cameras and mock scrapes put out, Uh,

487
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 4: it's I'm still trying to figure that out. Just whenever

488
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 4: you have time. It comes down to whenever you can

489
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 4: get to it, because you can still do it in season.

490
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 4: It's just it's it's a little bit it's harder because obviously,

491
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 4: if you're going into timber in these sensitive spots and

492
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: and and you know, essentially scouting your way through and

493
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 4: figuring it out, then you're blowing your deer out like

494
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 4: you're that's just inevitable now if you can. I would

495
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 4: say in season, I'm a little bit more cautious about

496
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 4: that unless you're okay with just blowing your deer out

497
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 4: and then and then probably your cameras be dead for

498
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: you know, a few days or a week or whatever

499
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 4: until those deer all move back in or in some

500
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 4: cases the you know, you might blow deer out and

501
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: he might be there that night.

502
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 2: It just depends.

503
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 4: But uh, in season, I'm usually a little bit more cautious,

504
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 4: and I usually try to just stay on the edges

505
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 4: field edges where you can drive to or run your

506
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 4: e bike or whatever is is often you know, an easy,

507
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 4: easiest way to do it, and then hang your cameras

508
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 4: on actual live scrapes if they're already showing. Unless I

509
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 4: will say, unless you can't shoot to one of those scrapes.

510
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: I usually try to make so that I can shoot

511
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 4: to the scrape that my camera's hungover. And then another

512
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 4: big thing that I do is is I try to

513
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: point the camera and find the route that a deer

514
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 4: will take, regardless whether there's a scrape there or not.

515
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 4: So the more factors that you can put right and

516
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 4: the more exes I guess you could call it, that

517
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 4: you can put right in front of your camera, the

518
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 4: likelihood of you getting that deer if he comes through

519
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: is a lot higher, even if he's not checking the scrape.

520
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 4: So that's something that I always keep in mind. And

521
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 4: then obviously if you do do mock scrapes, then I'm

522
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 4: as I'm scouting, I'm looking for trees for me to

523
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 4: be able to hunt with different winds that I can

524
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 4: kill right if a deer travels that or is hitting

525
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 4: that scrape.

526
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: Man, that's some really good insight because I feel that,

527
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: you know, there's been some really good deer get that

528
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: have been shot and uh, you know, doing reugh fresh

529
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: now it's like you kind of start hearing this commonality

530
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: or this theme of scouting and developing you know, a

531
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 2: plan to your point, maybe it works twenty percent of

532
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: the time thirty percent of the time, but dang when

533
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: it does, oh man, well, And.

534
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 4: That's the way I look at it, Like, dude, I

535
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 4: have I think I have seven cameras on on this

536
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: particular piece over over mock Scrapes, and I, like I

537
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: said it in a video that I took, like, if

538
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 4: if twenty percent of these spots work, like I'll still

539
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: have some good spots like and that's the way that's

540
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 4: and and and the more the more you do this

541
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: and the longer you do it, I'm like, especially mock Scrapes,

542
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: the more successful you get. Like it's just it's just experience.

543
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 4: And you can sit here and listen to all the

544
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: different types and different ways that that people do it,

545
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 4: and and sure you can learn a lot from that,

546
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 4: but until you actually go put boots on the ground

547
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 4: and just just start figuring it out yourself, like you're

548
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 4: going to fail and you just have to expect that.

549
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: Looking, you know, here in the next seven ish days

550
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: for weather, it looks like there might be a front

551
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: rolling in for folks that still have a tag in

552
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: their pocket. And this front rolls in. I mean, do

553
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: you think this is going to be a time that

554
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: they should really prioritize to be out there. Yeah?

555
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean I think obviously my favorite times are

556
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 4: are small cold fronts of October, and I just proved

557
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 4: that again. You know, the other night was a little

558
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 4: bit the same. The pressure was rising a little bit.

559
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 4: I have a hard time sitting in because a lot

560
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 4: of my spots are are deep in and their access

561
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 4: is tough. So I have a hard time sitting in

562
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 4: those spots if I don't know that the deer is

563
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: around at least, Like I don't just go blindly hunt

564
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: these these these scrapes just because the weather's good, like

565
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 4: I would. I would rather, you know, go hunt a

566
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: different property, or hunt on the fringe to kill some doze,

567
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: or maybe do an observation, sit on a big egg field.

568
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: Or something like that.

569
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: But I'm not diving into any spots until I know

570
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 4: that the deer is in the area at least. And

571
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 4: then then is when if the conditions are right with

572
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: a with a cold front moving in, then just go

573
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: even go sit Even if maybe he didn't hit your camera,

574
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: maybe he hit a different camera. A couple hundred yards away.

575
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: You just if you know he's in the area and

576
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: you get these cold fronts, absolutely you know it's it's

577
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 4: time to go in.

578
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: I love it all right, Scale one to ten. Where

579
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: do you think the next seven days will be? You

580
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: know for October? Uh October bear with me here? Uh

581
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: sure October, October eighth, October fifteenth, Scale one to ten.

582
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: Where do you put it? Oh?

583
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: Probably I would say a five or six.

584
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I wouldn't.

585
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be in a hurry. Don't don't haunt just

586
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: to haunt. I mean, if you do haunt just to haunt,

587
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 4: then go sit a spot that that you know, you

588
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 4: don't care if you mess it up. Unless unless again

589
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 4: you get that and get that fake picture you know

590
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 4: that he's there, then then for sure, like go go

591
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 4: go in after him. But I I don't get super

592
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 4: excited early October, especially coming into the wall like this.

593
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: It's unless the camera tells you that that you need

594
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: to go, then then I would be hesitant.

595
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 2: I like it.

596
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: Well.

597
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: Congratulations once again. I have a feeling you'll be behind

598
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: the camera of some more big bucks dropping this fall,

599
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: so really appreciate it. Congratulations once again.

600
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 4: Thank you, I appreciate for the offer. Thanks Jake.

601
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: All Right, next up on the line, we have Aaron

602
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: Heppler from Pennsylvania. How's it going this morning.

603
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 5: What's up, dude? It's good to be here.

604
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so your guys is state wide PA season opened

605
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: very recently and you got the jitters out and a

606
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: shot of dough.

607
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 5: I did, Man, I'm very excited.

608
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

609
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 6: It's always good to like knock the cob webs off

610
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 6: and like, you know, get a shot out of his saddle,

611
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 6: and it was a really good shot at twenty yards,

612
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 6: So that makes you feel it makes you feel good

613
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 6: for the rest of the season, you know.

614
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think there's a lot of wisdom

615
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: to that for anyone that's maybe doesn't have like for

616
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: a lot of guys, bucks show up later in the year,

617
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: and so if you're in that boat, I feel like

618
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: that's such a great opportunity to go through your draw cycle,

619
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: pick a hair on the deer, squeeze off the shot,

620
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: because realistically, we all work really hard for that one

621
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: opportunity throughout the whole fall. And it was that kind

622
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: of your thought process or were you just out of

623
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: Venison You're like, hey, I want to get the free

624
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: throw a little bit old for.

625
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 5: I mean, you know how much I love my venison.

626
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 6: But that's right, Chef Aaron at the You know, no, man,

627
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 6: you know I always go through this thing where you

628
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 6: get bucks on camera and you want to start out

629
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 6: by immediately hunting that buck because you think it's your

630
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 6: best opportunity, and there is sometimes there's opportunity to shoot

631
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 6: that buck on the opener, but really you're kind of

632
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 6: setting yourself up for failure a lot of times, like

633
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 6: if you're not ready for that. There's been years where

634
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 6: I haven't practiced enough archery out of a saddle or

635
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 6: out of whatever I'm planning on hunting on in and

636
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 6: I spent a lot of time doing that. I spend

637
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 6: a lot of time doing that right before the season,

638
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 6: like get up in the saddle, do some offside shooting.

639
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 6: You know, my wife was helping throw the arrows up

640
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 6: to me in the tree the other day, and that

641
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 6: kind of thing really helps. But actually putting an arrow

642
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 6: through a deer once or twice is to me, is

643
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 6: so key to making a successful shot on a buck

644
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 6: later on, because I get buck fever so bad, man,

645
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 6: And it really really does help make the shot process

646
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 6: when a deer in front of you kind of more

647
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 6: of a second nature if you can make it happen

648
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 6: a few times.

649
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's a great piece of advice.

650
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: So looking here in the next week, I know you're

651
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna hunting out of state. What's your game plan

652
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: with the weather and you know this current time of year,

653
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: I feel like October progresses pretty quickly. Where like the

654
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: excitement of opening day and then it's like, man, we're

655
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: all the deer, so like, where are you at in

656
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: your strategy and expectations and where are you headed?

657
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 6: Well, the October law is happening early here, man. I

658
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 6: mean there's no acorns anywhere. Everything's been so dry, so

659
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 6: the mountaintops and stuff are are are just there's nothing,

660
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 6: not a lot happening. And that's across the board. Like

661
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 6: anybody who talked to here is like, I'm not my

662
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 6: cameras are dead. I haven't seen any deer in fields.

663
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 5: Nothing.

664
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 6: And so I've been wanting to do this little Jersey

665
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 6: bear hunt kind of thing for a while. I'm gonna

666
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 6: be going there with with some friends locally, with Mitt

667
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 6: Shirk and group of guys. But there the Jersey bear

668
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 6: population is pretty big, so we're gonna be bow hunting.

669
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 6: They have a bow hunting season that has a couple

670
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 6: of day overlap with a flintlock, a flintlock muzzloader type thing.

671
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 6: The weather there is it's it's a little on the

672
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 6: warm side and it's a lot of invasive plants there,

673
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 6: so it's really going to be like hunt the edges

674
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 6: of the cover because it's so thick you can't really

675
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 6: get into it. Even if you got into it, it

676
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 6: would be literally sitting under tunnels of brush. But I'm

677
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 6: pretty excited. There's a lot of deer showing up on

678
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 6: camera there. We got some permission on some just knock

679
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: on door stuff kind of kind of thing, and there's

680
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 6: a couple pieces of public that we've actually found some

681
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 6: pretty decent bears on. In fact, we were there last

682
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 6: week and bumped into a mom with a sow with cubs.

683
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 6: Now in Jersey you can't shoot a sow that has

684
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 6: cubs with her, but you know, just kind of speaking

685
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 6: of bears in the area, it's kind of kind of

686
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 6: cool but made for a hairy situation.

687
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: Are you gonna buy a Are you gonna buy a

688
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: white tail? Tag when you're there too, in case you

689
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: run across on.

690
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, the cool thing is is.

691
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 6: When you buy your bowl license for Jersey, you get

692
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 6: a buck and a dough tag right away. It's a

693
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 6: pretty inexpensive tag, and the bear permits are like two

694
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 6: bucks apiece for non residents. They don't they want to

695
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 6: then the bear hurts, So it should be a pretty

696
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 6: fun hunt, you know. And as far as deer goes.

697
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 6: These farmers that we knocked on, we're like, please shoot

698
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 6: dear if you have an opportunity, like we like, have

699
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 6: fun trying to kill a bear. But if you have

700
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 6: the opportunity, like police harvest the deer because it's a

701
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 6: they do some pretty serious damage on these farms.

702
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: So so with that in mind, kind of an opportunistic

703
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: hunt where it's like, Okay, if a bear comes through,

704
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be able to shoot a bear. If a

705
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: dough or a buck comes by, I'm gonna be ready

706
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: to go. Does that change how you're anying on setting

707
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: up to some regard, I mean, the edge of habitat

708
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: sounds like a great spot for setting up for a

709
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: deer too. Is that kind of what's in your mind?

710
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it seems like the bears and the deer are

711
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 6: using kind of the same because everything, like I said,

712
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 6: everything's so tight. The bears are a little bit more

713
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 6: prone to going through that, like the thick stuff, but

714
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 6: a lot of the deer are getting funneled through any

715
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 6: little shoots that come out of the woods there. They're

716
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 6: using old logging roads a lot on these farms. There's

717
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 6: a lot of I've noticed there's a lot of like

718
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 6: those old fence line rock piles that mark the border,

719
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 6: and if there's any low spot, the deer crossing over

720
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 6: that stuff. So that's I'm I'm hoping there's a couple

721
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 6: spots like that that I'm hoping to get to hunt,

722
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 6: you know, just kind of pinch points like that fence lines.

723
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 6: They've been crossing a lot of that kind of stuff.

724
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 6: So looking looking forward to just kind of whatever comes first. Man,

725
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 6: I'm not going to be I'm not going to be picky.

726
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: I love it so looping back to Pennsylvania with the

727
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: lack of acorn production on the mountaintops, I mean, I

728
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: know you have a lot of experience hunting that type

729
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 2: of terrain. For someone that's struggling right now and looking

730
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: into the next week, knowing that if you can find

731
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: a tree for you know, dropping some acorns, like what

732
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: is what would you tell someone that's like, hey, man,

733
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: I have a couple of days off next week and

734
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: I know we're quote unquote creeping into the lull and

735
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: there hasn't been much activity on my cameras. What would

736
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: be your suggestion to that type of person and what's

737
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: key in on?

738
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 6: So there are there are acorns in places, they're just

739
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 6: really not up high and they're very isolated. So if

740
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 6: you can find the acorns or beech nuts or something

741
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 6: like that, I know, very stereotypically it's like hunt the

742
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 6: upper third of the of the hills or whatever. I'm

743
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 6: not really finding that. I'm finding that deer are in

744
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 6: the lower quarter of the hills at the current moment.

745
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 6: So if you can find a thermal that that will

746
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 6: they're really you know, the wind is not happening right now.

747
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 6: Normally you have a lot of wind right now too,

748
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 6: but everything is very thermal based. So if you can

749
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 6: find a creek that you can get a longer stretch

750
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 6: from a downward thermal and make it more predictable for

751
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 6: yourself and find something that's like halfway or lower up

752
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 6: the hill that's producing some kind of nuts, or if

753
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 6: you can find a brows line where they're eating um,

754
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 6: some kind of buck brush, or if there's berries still

755
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 6: around stuff like that light food sources. Or if you

756
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 6: can find an acorn tree down in a bottom like

757
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 6: that and focus on deer that are coming up and

758
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 6: down to feed on that that those acorns that would

759
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 6: be pretty clutch.

760
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 5: But the water is pretty important.

761
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 6: I've been seeing a lot of deer in that area,

762
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 6: and I think it's the areas that you know still

763
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 6: have creeks that are spring fed, they have like a

764
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 6: little trickle, and even that is attractive right now.

765
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: So those are some key things. And so basically that

766
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: lower quarter is where I assume you're finding most more

767
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: signed than what you typically would find up top. So

768
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: it seems like it might be a benefit to some

769
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: regard from based off what you're saying is like you

770
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: can almost rule out some of the tops or upper

771
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: thirds where people traditionally have hunted and focus more lower.

772
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 5: Yeah right now.

773
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 6: I mean I've even spent some time just kind of

774
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 6: driving around and.

775
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 5: If there's service roads that are open and stuff.

776
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 6: PA doesn't the game Commission actually in Pennsylvania puts out

777
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 6: seasonal roads. I think on X has some marked, but

778
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 6: you can actually find them on their like interactive web

779
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 6: page and find where the seasonal roads are. They could

780
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 6: drive on them because it's there are occasionally areas where

781
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 6: they're coming out on tops like that.

782
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 5: But if you've got something that goes through.

783
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 6: A bottom that you can drive and kind of just

784
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 6: observe without being too invasive, that's been really helpful. I've

785
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 6: done that a couple times, and it's fun to do

786
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 6: with the family too, like let's count the deer kind

787
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 6: of thing, you know.

788
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think those are some really key pieces there.

789
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: And so, you know, looking at all things considered the weather,

790
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: the time of year, what do you anticipate the next

791
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: seven days to be as far as potential hunting opportunity

792
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 2: On a scale one to ten.

793
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 6: I would say it's probably about a six right now,

794
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 6: other than we're going to have a first cold snap

795
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 6: on Friday morning. We're supposed to get our first forty

796
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 6: degree morning, which is pretty historically here. That's one of

797
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 6: the times where you'll get bucks and any deer really, like,

798
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 6: if you're looking for any deer, that's one of the

799
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 6: times where you do get some movement up top, even

800
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 6: if it's dry. I've had years where you have, like

801
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 6: I mean, it's going to be eighty five degrees today

802
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 6: and then it's going to be high seventies to mid

803
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 6: eighties until Thursday, and then we start to have a

804
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 6: little bit of a drop. So I've seen that a

805
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 6: couple of times, where that very first cold front you'll

806
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 6: get some stuff moving in to just kind of see

807
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 6: what's going on. As far as as like I said,

808
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 6: as far as tops go, there's really not a lot

809
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 6: of sign happening right now, so you could key on

810
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 6: some of your good spots probably towards the end of

811
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 6: the week here. I think it's kind of pretty trendy

812
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 6: for the whole for these you know, a couple of

813
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 6: states like Jersey, PA, Delaware, kind of the same weather

814
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 6: pattern with a little bit of variance. But I think

815
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 6: that would probably be something you could do. Is kind

816
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 6: of get I wouldn't go to your best spot that day,

817
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 6: but you could get close to the edge of it

818
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 6: and actually maybe catch something or learn something that you'll

819
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 6: you'll want to use later on towards maybe the twentieth

820
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 6: of October.

821
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, that's I appreciate the out East report.

822
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: I know you have your ear to the ground, and

823
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: I really wish you the best of luck this season,

824
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: and I hope the New Jersey Hut is going to

825
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: be I mean, you've got three tags in your pocket.

826
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: Anything can happen.

827
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 6: I'm excited, man, I have, like, I have twelve deer

828
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 6: tags this year, so I'm judged seriously. Yeah, a PA

829
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 6: put out quite a few tags this year. We have

830
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 6: a pretty cool program too. In specific units they might

831
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 6: put out like, for example, the Special REGs area they

832
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 6: put out seventy thousand dough tags a year, and then

833
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 6: inside some of those areas that haven't even higher density,

834
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 6: they put out Deer Management Assistance Program tags. And some

835
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 6: of those A lot of those are like state forests

836
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 6: and that kind of thing on areas like that, and

837
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 6: those are above and beyond your tag allotment. They're a

838
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 6: little bit they're like three dollars more or something like that.

839
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 6: Nothing crazy, But I bought a couple of those for

840
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 6: up north because I like to use those when for

841
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 6: the PA rifle season. It's pretty fun to just kind

842
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 6: of walk around and you know, last year we had

843
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 6: snow for that kind of thing. So it's kind of

844
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 6: kind of fun to do that kind of thing.

845
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: Awesome, man, Well, good luck, good luck the rest of season.

846
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: Appreciate you ouping on here and give an any time report.

847
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 5: Thank you.

848
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: We have Zach Kaim who is now part of the

849
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: two hundred inch club because you have the shirt to

850
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: prove it.

851
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: That's right, it's coming man, good good, how about you.

852
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: It's going great man. I ran across your post here

853
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: and you tagged a magnificent white tail and you had

854
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: a bunch of history with this deer, and let's just

855
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: dive right into it. How kind of like the condensed

856
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: version of the multiple years of history and then how

857
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 2: it ultimately came together, you know, really quick here in Ohio.

858
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

859
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, So in twenty twenty two, this buck was on

860
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 7: my radar. I knew he wasn't a shooter at this point,

861
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 7: but I actually have a phone video of him walking

862
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 7: underneath my tree stand in November. Fast forward to the

863
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 7: next season. He ballooned into like a mid one sixties

864
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 7: class buck as a four year old, and I ended

865
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 7: up missing him. I misarranged him. He was a little

866
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 7: bit further than I thought he was. I thought I

867
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 7: knew how far he was, and he was just a

868
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 7: little bit further and so so that was pretty brutal,

869
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 7: I thought. But then it got worse because I did

870
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 7: the same thing the next year, which would have been

871
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 7: this past season, when he was a five year old.

872
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 7: He would have been I actually have his match set

873
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 7: from last year. He would have been about a one

874
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 7: hundred and ninety eight inch buck depending on his spread.

875
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 7: So that and I had several other encounters with him

876
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 7: last year too. He caught me drawing back on him

877
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 7: at thirty yards at one point. There was another time

878
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 7: he was like fifty yards over the property line during

879
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 7: gun season.

880
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 3: Obviously he didn't take.

881
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 7: That shot, and so he was just Yeah, he was

882
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 7: teasing me the last few years. But then then yeah,

883
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 7: fast forward to this year, it was kind of hard

884
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 7: to tell how big he was. His rack changed slightly,

885
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 7: he lost a decent side drop time, but he did

886
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 7: look like he got he put on some inches. But

887
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 7: I was I was estimating him probably in the one nineties.

888
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 7: But yeah, I tried to trade to tried to stay

889
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 7: out of his core area. He actually didn't really live

890
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 7: on our farm, or he never really bettered on our farm.

891
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: I should say.

892
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 7: Nine percent of the time, I'd say he bettered on

893
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 7: the one of the neighbors.

894
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: And so.

895
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 7: Fast forward to opening day this year, we had kind

896
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 7: of tried to stay out of his area with choke

897
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 7: cameras and whatnot, just we have enough history now, we

898
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 7: kind of have an idea of what's going on, and

899
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 7: he would be kind of camera shy if he saw

900
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 7: a camera. And so opening day, he actually did walk

901
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 7: past one of the cameras that we had down there

902
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 7: in his area, and he was actually walking onto our

903
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 7: farm just before daylight, which was highly unusual. I talked

904
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 7: to my dad about it that morning. We're both like

905
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 7: that that actually might be the first time ever that

906
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 7: he was walking onto our farm in the morning that

907
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 7: closed to daylight.

908
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: And so so he.

909
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 7: Was headed there's a small there's a small creek drainage

910
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 7: that goes up into the interior of a cornfield. It's

911
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 7: like a seventy five yard wide strip of woods. And

912
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 7: so we're talking about it, and it's like, well, if

913
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 7: he is better than hours, like he could have easily

914
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 7: went back over to the neighbors, but if he is

915
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 7: better than hours, that's where he's going to be. Because

916
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 7: we knew, we knew deer beded in there before, h

917
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 7: just never him. But so I actually set up a

918
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 7: tree stand this summer thinking it would be more of

919
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 7: a rut spot, just because it's kind of in a

920
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 7: travel corridor, and wh in there, snuck in there and set up,

921
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 7: and seven o'clock here he comes, and yeah, the rest

922
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 7: is history.

923
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: That's that's amazing. And so how many times do you

924
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: think this deer cheated death? Because obviously you cheated death

925
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: of you multiple times, and then how many other times

926
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 2: have happened that that you're not well?

927
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 7: The crazy thing is so like a six year old buck,

928
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 7: a lot of times when you skid him out, you'll

929
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 7: see your old wounds and stuff.

930
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 3: And we didn't really find anything.

931
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 7: And I know he was a popular year because even

932
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 7: before this, but I've had six different neighbors contact me

933
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 7: about having pictures of them, and some of them are

934
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 7: like a mile away. So how how he didn't die

935
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 7: ever is amazing.

936
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: But that's crazy, so going, so you just make sure

937
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: I understand. So you guys had intell of I'm opening

938
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 2: morning going in and betting on you guys, and then

939
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: it was that evening when he went in there and

940
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: hunted him to try to go back out where he's

941
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: going to feed that evening.

942
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: Is that right?

943
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know that it was necessarily where he

944
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 7: was trying to go to feed. I mean there's right now,

945
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 7: at least where we're a lot of red oaks are dropping,

946
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 7: so there's, you know, plenty of acorns. I kind of

947
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 7: assume he was coming to acorns. I was actually sitting

948
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 7: in a red oak, like that's the tree I was

949
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 7: sitting in. I got pretty tight to where I thought

950
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 7: he was bedded, so I think he literally had just

951
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 7: within a couple hundred yards. I think he had just

952
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 7: gotten out of bed and was making one of his

953
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 7: first scrapes of the evening.

954
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: Probably what was that like seeing him, Like, oh my gosh,

955
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: just plants coming together. I've screwed up on this deer

956
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 2: in the past, and he had come man like it's

957
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: about to happen.

958
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 7: Honestly, at that point, like I definitely had buck fever,

959
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 7: but it was more of like a like a dude,

960
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 7: let's just get this over with, Like I don't I

961
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 7: don't have time to like sit here and look at

962
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 7: his antlers, Like let's just lock in here and try

963
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 7: to get this over with, Like, let's not go through

964
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 7: the bs again. I was so tired of that, that

965
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 7: feeling of screwing it up.

966
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, when I first.

967
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 7: Seen him, I knew immediately which bucket was. I seen

968
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 7: that flyer off of his G two and I told myself, Okay,

969
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 7: we're not going to look at the antlers anymore. Try

970
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 7: to limit the buck fever.

971
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's and so you said last year

972
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: he would have been in the nineties, is you know,

973
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: estimating with the spread? What did he what did he

974
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: end up taping out to. I know a lot of

975
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: people don't care, but I do, so I'm going to

976
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: ask you. Yeah, because he's a giant. Yeah, he is

977
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: a giant. He taped out to two thirteen and two eighth. Wow,

978
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: so pretty darn good jump. Yeah, and yeah, I think

979
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: I think the last two seasons he jumped twenty to

980
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: twenty five inches both years.

981
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, which we had anomaly. We had a really wet.

982
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 7: Spring this year, which I've heard is good for antler groove.

983
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 7: But whether whether that's the case or not, he grew

984
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 7: a lot. He grew more than I thought I thought

985
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 7: he'd be in the one nineties. This year he blew

986
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 7: that out of the water.

987
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: And what was it like when you put your hands

988
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: on him finally, like after all the years of history

989
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: and everything else, Like was there a sense of like

990
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: the story's over now? Or or was it rejoiced right right.

991
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 7: When I seeing it, Like right when I walked up

992
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 7: to him, like a sense of relief, very relieved.

993
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: I was by myself.

994
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 7: I nelt down, said a little prayer, thank God for

995
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 7: letting me finally get him, lay my hands on him.

996
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I was just very relieved and very grateful.

997
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Congratulations. So for

998
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: let's let's pretend you didn't shoot this buck and it's

999
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: October eighth, and you're looking over the next seven days.

1000
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: What would you what would you tell yourself or what

1001
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: would you tell someone that that might be struggling a

1002
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: little bit or trying to get together a game plan.

1003
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: Maybe they know of something of a buck that's kind

1004
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: of hanging around the area. And now we're getting into,

1005
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 2: you know, the the first quarter of October and you know,

1006
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: creeping deeper into the month. What what would you tell

1007
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: them to pay attention to, at least in our area.

1008
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 7: I would say, acorns, acorns and water, probably because it

1009
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 7: was it's been really dry here in Ohio where we're at,

1010
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 7: Like it's only rained a couple of times in the past,

1011
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 7: I don't know, a month and a half or more.

1012
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 7: So acorns and water and uh, like you know, seemingly,

1013
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 7: you know, the October October lil is kind of like

1014
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 7: around that time frame or around this timeframe. So but

1015
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 7: I generally try to just look for hot time. Like

1016
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 7: there's right now where we're at, there's so many acorns

1017
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 7: dropping that it would be hard to like hee in

1018
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 7: on a specific tree that you should hunt. But if

1019
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 7: you can find a white oak, at least on our farms,

1020
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 7: there's not a lot of white oaks, so I would

1021
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 7: assume they are preferring the white oaks, But try to

1022
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 7: find a white oak. Try to get tight to betting

1023
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 7: would be my biggest tip, height to betting.

1024
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: Find some white oaks. And when you mentioned hot sign,

1025
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: you know, I think a lot of people could potentially

1026
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 2: confuse that, what do you if you could paint real quickly,

1027
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: what is hot sign in your mind that gets you

1028
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 2: excited versus just some general dear sign.

1029
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: Scrapes?

1030
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 7: Actually, when this buck came in, which you know it's

1031
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 7: it was opening day, which was September twenty seventh, and

1032
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 7: he he came in. The first thing he did was

1033
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 7: make a scrape at twenty five yards that he's already

1034
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 7: you know, doing buck stuff.

1035
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 3: So if you can find the scrape, and yeah, call

1036
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: me crazy.

1037
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 7: But the week before season actually I went out and

1038
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 7: I made a couple of mock drapes here and there,

1039
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 7: just to see if you would potentially hit those early seasons,

1040
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 7: because with our history of the deer, we kind of

1041
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 7: knew he would be around early season, like early early,

1042
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 7: and then he kind of disappeared, like mid October into

1043
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 7: the rut, and then it would come back late season.

1044
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 7: So I was really hoping I would get him before

1045
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 7: he leaves because I was afraid somebody else would shoot him.

1046
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it. Look, you made it happen. So

1047
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: if you had to put a scale one to ten

1048
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 2: for the next seven days, what would you put at ten? Bean?

1049
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: Best week ever? One bean? I think I'm gonna seen

1050
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: it out.

1051
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 7: I definitely wouldn't sit it out. Like the weather conditions

1052
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 7: were not ideal for opening day. I mean it was

1053
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 7: eighty degrees, so I don't. Yeah, I mean I think

1054
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 7: it just depends on Yeah, it can very soil like

1055
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 7: if if you know where a year is betting, Uh,

1056
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 7: nothing would keep me from going hunting, no matter the

1057
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 7: conditions or time of the year. So I mean, for me,

1058
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 7: if I was still hunting this buck and you asked

1059
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 7: me that question, I'd give it like a six or seven.

1060
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 3: Probably not.

1061
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 7: It's not like perfect conditions, so it's not a ten,

1062
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 7: but it's also not a one, so somewhere in the middle.

1063
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough. Well, yeah, congratulations sac on an

1064
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: incredible deer and I putting a ribbon on the top

1065
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: after you know, multiple years of history. That's that's really special.

1066
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: I hope you have been enjoying the moment and congrats

1067
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 2: once again.

1068
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: Oh I've been thank you, Thank you very much.

1069
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: There you guys have it. Hope you guys have a

1070
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: great week. We're going to see you next week here

1071
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 2: for Reughfresh. And with this front, I have an anticipation

1072
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: that there's going to be a variety of big bucks

1073
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: that connect with hunters and their plant come together. So

1074
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: I hope you guys tune in next week on Reugh Fresh.

1075
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: We'll see you then.