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Thanks 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: for megan us part of your day. It did sound 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: last night on the broadcast like as Travis Kelsey's last year. 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: He was productive. But you know, you can see when 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: you watch Kansas City, you know this is. 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: What happens the dynasties. 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: The old guys look really old and it's just sort 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: of a sad trombone, and you know, started losing all 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: those close games instead. 20 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: Of winning them. And that's okay. 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's better to have been in a dynasty 22 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: and faded away than to never have been in a dynasty. 23 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: That sounds almost political. All right, blazing five sixty percent 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: for the year, feel very very good about it. 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: This week. 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: I didn't do this all year. Four underdogs. I don't 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: even know why underdogs yesterday did well. 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: Here we go, let's blaze it up, fired up, it's 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: Collins blazon fuck. Texans at Chargers. 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: I like the Texans plus two and a half seven 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: game winning streak. They clinch a playoff berth with a win. 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: Their only loss by more than three points one against Seattle. 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: That's it. 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: Well, Seattle beats up with a lot of people. Woody 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Marx is back huge part of their offense. The Chargers 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: eighteenth in the NFL on offense since Week eleven because 37 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: their offensive line is using backups three of the Chargers 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: four wins during their four game winning streak of against 39 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: the Raiders, Chiefs, and Cowboys. The Texans defense is so good, 40 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: even on the road. It's dominating number one in the league. 41 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm taking the points. Texans twenty three, Chargers twenty one. 42 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: Take the points. 43 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: Seahawks at Panthers. 44 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: I wish it was seven and a half, but I'll 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: take it at seven. Panthers at home fighting to win 46 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: the NFC South one game lead over Tampa. 47 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 3: I'm taking the points. 48 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: Anybody noticing Bryce Young in the last month, last three 49 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: games he's a pro bowler, six touchdowns, no picks. He's 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: been on fire in the last three game. The Seahawks 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: are coming off a tough, physical, overtime game season high 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: ninety two defensive snaps against the Rams. The last two games, 53 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: they won, both at home by a combined three points. 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: The offense for Seattle doesn't quite feel right. This is 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: a long trip. They could be looking ahead of the playoffs. Oh, 56 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: just beat the Rams. We're amazing Seattle wins. I'm absolutely 57 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: taking the points here. Twenty seven to twenty three. 58 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 4: Hawks. 59 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: Eagles at Bills. 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm in the minority. I like Philly plus two and 61 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: a half. Great run team, bad run defense. They're thirty 62 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: five and two when they win the turnover battle under 63 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: Nick Siriani's seven to zero this year, and they usually do. 64 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts the last two weeks. Something is working, even 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: Greg Cosel told us sakuon Barkley last three games, averaging 66 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: five and a half of carry. 67 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: The O line now getting healthy, folks. 68 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: The Bills have trailed in each of their last eight games. 69 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: They've trailed in the second half of six of their 70 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: last seven. They play with their food. They're not good 71 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: on third down. The Bills can't defend the run. I'm 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: taking the Eagles and the points better overall roster twenty 73 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: eight to twenty four Philly Bears at forty nine ers. 74 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: I like siicag go with extra rest plus three. DJ 75 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: Moore and Caleb Williams last five games. DJ mores five 76 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: touchdown catches type for most in the league. The offense. 77 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: He got all the big plays without any other turnovers. Listen, 78 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: the Niners are hot, but four of their five wins 79 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: came against Cleveland, Arizona, the Titans, and the Colts brought 80 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: purty trailing this year. 81 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: Is a different. 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: Quarterback sixty three percent completion percentage and their defense. Here's 83 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: the story of the game. The Niners defense not only 84 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: as the fewest sacks in the NFL, seven fewer than 85 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: the next fewest, and opposing quarterbacks have a passer rating 86 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: of one oh one against the Niners. Christian McCaffrey just 87 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: came off a twenty seven touch game. The Niners are 88 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: zero to four off McCaffrey games where he's got twenty 89 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: seven or more touches. Bears win it. Take the points. 90 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: Twenty eight to twenty. 91 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: Seven Cardinals at Bengals. 92 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: I like the over fifty three and a half twenty 93 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: ninth ranked scoring defense against the worst ranked defense, banged 94 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: up defenses that are bad. 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: To begin with. 96 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: The weather it's gonna be a little wet temperature not 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: a factor. The Cardinals defense is bad and it's gotten worse. 98 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: Allowed forty plus points in two of their last three games. 99 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: The Bengals, they're averaging twenty seven a game with Burrow. 100 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: So you're talking about atrocious defenses, banged up. I like 101 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: Cincinnati to win the game. I think it's a bit 102 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: of a shootout. I'm gonna take the over Cincinnati Arizona 103 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: over fifty three and a half points, thirty twenty seven 104 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: Bingals win. So a lot of underdog have not done 105 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: that once this year. Four underdogs and one over Jmax 106 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: picks in about an hour forty five. There you go, 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Eric Mangini, former NFL coach Brown's Jets. Fox Sports is 108 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: now joining us. You know it's interesting, You know this. 109 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: You can't get too caught up in style points. Denver 110 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: goes to it could be Travis Kelcey's last game. 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: Emotional. 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: It's a division rival, you go on the road, you 113 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: win by a touchdown, and all I hear is I 114 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: don't know. 115 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: I don't trust Denver. 116 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: Like guys, they're thirteen and three. Bo Nicks keeps making 117 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, Josh Allen has the most fourth quarter touchdowns 118 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: the last two years. 119 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: Bo Nick's a second. 120 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: I know it's uneven, but my take is we're spending 121 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: too much time worried about the stylistic nature of Denver 122 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: and I just see a thirteen and three team that 123 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: makes big plays late. 124 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 3: What do you see with Denver? 125 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, last night, Look, it's an emotional game. Travis Kelsey 126 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 5: maybe retiring. It's an arrowhead that Denver probably had a 127 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 5: little bit of a letdown because they're thirteen and a 128 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 5: half point favorites. And look, Kansas City doesn't want to 129 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 5: get embarrassed by avi arrival on Christmas in front of 130 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 5: friends and family. The game was probably destined to be 131 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 5: to be close, and they get penalized. That never gets 132 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 5: penalized for winning late. To me, that's a strength that 133 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 5: shows character of the team, and it's a little bit 134 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 5: like Kansas City when people were dinging them for winning 135 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 5: close games. That's a good thing, not a bad thing, 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 5: and that's going to be a strength. I believe in 137 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 5: the playoffs, their ability to know if we're behind, we 138 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 5: can figure out a way to come back, because we've 139 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 5: done it so many times this season. 140 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: So I'm watching the Lions and people say, well, they're 141 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: old lines beat up, and I'm like, the Texans and 142 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: the Chargers old lines have been bad all year and 143 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: they're twenty one to nine, Like, yes, this is you 144 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: get cluster injuries. 145 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying. 146 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,559 Speaker 1: It's it's I think Sam Laporta is also a huge loss. 147 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm not denying that. But the Lions don't look like 148 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: last year. They were bad this year on third down 149 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: all year when the old line was healthy. Last year 150 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: they looked crisp and creative. Eric I go on this 151 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: show every two weeks with Ben Johnson. I'm like, this 152 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: guy is Kyle Shanahan. This guy, this guy's incredible, Like 153 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: this is so creative and inventive. 154 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: How much of. 155 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: It's just well, the old lines beat up and how 156 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: much is they lost a great coordinator and they're hard 157 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: to replace. 158 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's underrated as well. 159 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: Colin. 160 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 5: We we saw Philly replace both coordinators and win the 161 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 5: Super Bowl, So everybody thinks, Okay, that's easy to do. 162 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 5: It's not easy to do. It's not easy at all. 163 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 5: And this year Dan Campbell, what four or five games 164 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 5: in the season, I forget exactly what the number is. 165 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 5: He replaces the offensive coordinator as a signal caller, and 166 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 5: they play pretty well offensively. But the problem is that 167 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 5: takes some of your attention as a head coach off 168 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 5: of the rest of the team. And this this Lion's 169 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 5: team was up and down all season. It's win a game, 170 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 5: loseer game through eight games like that, and then they 171 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 5: went on the three game losing streak. I'd say the 172 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 5: most disappointing thing for me is the six turnovers last night. 173 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 5: That's terrible, but the week before having fifteen rushing yards. 174 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 5: To me, that's inexcusable. It's the third worst I think 175 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 5: in the last twenty years for the Lions with two 176 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 5: really good running backs. And yet we can say that 177 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 5: there's injuries on the offensive line. There's not fifteen yards 178 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 5: only in rushing of injuries on the offensive line. That 179 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 5: part it's going to have to be addressed, and you're 180 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 5: gonna have to try to find some coordinators that really 181 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 5: make sense for you. Defensively, it's the same thing They're 182 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 5: in the bottom third of every category defensively, So you know. 183 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: I was saying about the Bills, is I think America 184 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: now that Detroit's out, I've said the perfect super Bowl 185 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: would be Detroit Buffalo. Two franchises that you feel like 186 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: kind of deserve it. So Detroit's out, here's Buffalo. And 187 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, no Ma Homes, maybe no Lamar, no Burrow, 188 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: drake Man and Bownicks are still ascending their kids. And 189 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: then you've got like Trevor Lawrence. He's good, but you 190 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: know they'll probably be better next year. Herbert's going to 191 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: get his offensive tackles back next year. I'm like, this 192 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: is the year, Like, this is the year to win. 193 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: So I what I do wonder about Buffalo if they're 194 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: going to coach tight because I mean, you know, you know, 195 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: coach sometimes you get breaks, and this is a year 196 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: that Buffalo's getting some breaks. Kid quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers is 197 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: forty two. No Lamar, Like, I think I think you 198 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: got to get to a conference championship this year. I 199 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: think that's very realistic. I think that's fair pressure. 200 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: Do you. 201 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, if anybody said you can, you can enter into 202 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 5: the playoffs and there's no Lamar, there's no Patrick Mahomes, 203 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 5: there's no Joe Burrow, and it's just Josh Allen. Everybody 204 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 5: would pick Buffalo to go to the super Bowl, and 205 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 5: it makes sense. And on top of that, Buffalo runs 206 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 5: the ball as good as anybody that they're dynamic there. 207 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 5: Their Achilles heel could be what keeps the quarterback off 208 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 5: the field, and that's being able to stop the run. 209 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 5: And that's what I think a lot of teams that'll 210 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 5: be the way to beat him is don't let Josh Allen. 211 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 5: That offense on the field have long time consuming drives 212 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 5: that keeps Josh Allen on the sidelines. But you've got 213 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 5: the one remaining superhero left in the AFC. I don't 214 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 5: think it's unreasonable to expect a deep run and you know, 215 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 5: ideally a Super Bowl run with all those other guys 216 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 5: sitting home. 217 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so the Lamar story broke on Christmas Eve, where 218 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: there's a long standing Baltimore reporter that says he doesn't 219 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: take criticism. Well, you know, video games at night, doesn't 220 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: want to practice in the morning, fallen asleep at meetings. 221 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: Now John Harbaugh comes out, smart thing to do during 222 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: the season Hey, a plus plus relationship. I don't think 223 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: this long time reporter made up all of it. So 224 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: my take was I had a couple of takes, is 225 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: he wants to play in Miami and if you could 226 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: get if you could get Baltimore to pay some of 227 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: the freight, you know, I mean Denver one. They're still 228 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: playing Russell Wilson's cap. I think the Jets have two 229 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: first round picks, have shown no ability in recent years 230 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: to develop a quarterback. It's not a great college quarterback draft. 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: I think they could should consider it. When you look 232 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: at let's say you were the Raiders or you are 233 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: one of the Miami or the Jets, and you read 234 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: this story, would you still go after Lamar? 235 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: Does it scare you from Lamar? 236 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 5: No, it doesn't scare me from Lamar. And this has 237 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 5: been a long time coming Colm. This is what's seven 238 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 5: weeks in a row or eight weeks in a row 239 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 5: where he missed the day of practice and now he's 240 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 5: missing games. It feels like the last time there was 241 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 5: there were contract issues, and I imagine there's something to 242 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 5: do with the contract in all of this as well. 243 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 5: He's got a really high cap number next year. They're 244 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 5: talking about it. So it feels like that that's a 245 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 5: component of it. And I don't know who lee out 246 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 5: the negative things about Lamar, but the obviously it came 247 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 5: from from inside the building and someone related to the 248 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 5: team as opposed to another player. But if I'm if 249 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 5: I'm the Ravens, I'm not moving on from Lamar Jackson. 250 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 5: What did he do the last time he missed the 251 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 5: six games at the end of the season. He was 252 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 5: the MVP the next year, and then he could have 253 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 5: been the MVP the year after that, and this I 254 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 5: would imagine Lamar next year, if he's motivated and in 255 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 5: the right mindset, can be in that same spot. Now. 256 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 5: If Baltimore did want to move on from him, if 257 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 5: I'm any other team that's been sitting with no quarterback, 258 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 5: and a lot of the teams you named are in 259 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 5: that situation, yeah you go get Lamar Jackson if you can, 260 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 5: if there's any way you can, because he gives you 261 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 5: such a better chance to win than some rookie that 262 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 5: you're you're taking a chance on, or some some retread 263 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 5: that you're you're hoping for. 264 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: So I said this, when when you've been bad for 265 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: a decade, you have to consider everything. So Jackson dark 266 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: comes in, he's young. You didn't give up a ton 267 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: to get him. He was a late first round pick, 268 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: and he's in the blue tent constantly. I like him, 269 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: but the last three starts he's regressed. It could be Kafka. 270 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: Maybe Dave Ball's just more experience and better. Fine, but 271 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: I don't think he's an A plus prospect. I think 272 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: he's a gamer. I think he's confident. I think he's 273 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: been fun to watch. Mendoza, even at Cal for two 274 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: years and now at Indiana, not Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas. 275 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: At CAL in Indiana is sixty eight percent completion percentage, bigger, 276 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: much more accurate, a much better prospect. If I'm the Giants, 277 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit down and we're gonna we're gonna talk 278 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: about this for several days. When I suggest that people 279 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: push back, I'm like, guys, you've been embarrassing for a decade. 280 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: Everything's on the table. You didn't give up much for 281 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: Jackson dart Am. I nuts on this. 282 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 5: No, not not at all. And there's no real tanking 283 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 5: in the NFL. That's not that's not a thing. But 284 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 5: you got to think about it. This weekend. If you're 285 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 5: the owner of the Giants, oh, you're the owner of 286 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 5: the Raiders, you got to think about about wanting to 287 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 5: lose this game and having the number one one pick, 288 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 5: because whether it's Mendoza or trading back or Lamar Jackson 289 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 5: or or any opportunity have the number one overall pick 290 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 5: is pretty powerful. And to your point, yeah, Darts. Dart's 291 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 5: done some good things. He's he's excited the fan base, 292 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 5: but he excited that the fan base after he came 293 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 5: in for Russell Wilson, who kind of put the fan 294 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 5: base to sleep, and and and so it wasn't a 295 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 5: high bar that he had to overcome. But I don't 296 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 5: know if he's made a strong enough case saying yeah, 297 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 5: this is our franchise quarterback. This is the guy that 298 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 5: we're going to go and have a chance to compete 299 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 5: for a championship for the next ten years. If you're 300 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 5: sitting there with the first overall draft pick and you 301 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 5: think Mendoza is the guy and he's an upgrade, then yeah, 302 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 5: you pull the trigger on that and you go and 303 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 5: get what you can for Dart, and they'll be a 304 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 5: strong market for him. 305 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my take. 306 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: They'll be an offensive coach out there that's gonna go. Oh. 307 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: I like that kid. We have way better players than 308 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: the New York Giants. We'll get that kid out of 309 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: that mess. So, I mean, you can get stuff for Dart, 310 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: but I think when you're bad, you have to consider everything. 311 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: I like Jackson, He's better than I thought. But with 312 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffen and better players around him, Mendoza is putting 313 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: up better numbers. You know, Cal is like a third 314 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: tier program. It's pretty good at Cal. And he was 315 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: getting his second year at CAL. I mean he got 316 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: sacked forty five times. He was running for his life. 317 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: So one more question as we you know, I'm in 318 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: Chicago now and it's this talk and it's crazy, and 319 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I've talked to you about this. Maybe 320 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: I have, but I said, you know, Tom Brady's completion 321 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: percentage was only sixty four percent without the wiggle. Matt 322 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: Stafford has always been a guy that, like you get 323 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: a lot of big plays. His completion percentage is not 324 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: Drew Brees level. My take is when you get such 325 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: explosive plays. Now, Josh Allen this year has a higher 326 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: completion percentage. They don't throw the ball down the field, 327 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: they tow the tight ends and backs. Caleb Williams fifty 328 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: eight percents a little low to me, But if you 329 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: told me he's a career sixty percent guy with all 330 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: this horsepower, I think I can live with it. Or 331 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: do you have certain lines you want to hit from 332 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: your quarterback? 333 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 5: Well, I believe the league average is around it's either 334 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: sixty three or sixty four percent for most quarterbacks. So 335 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 5: when you're getting in the fifties, that's problematic. So I 336 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 5: would like to see it come up from that. If 337 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 5: we're talking about sixty sixty one, it's not that far off, 338 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 5: and you have the upside of the big plays. To me, yeah, 339 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 5: you can live with that. They miss some layups, but 340 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 5: but you're hitting a bunch of three pointers and it's 341 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 5: helping you win win a ton of games. My frustration 342 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 5: with Caleb has been the inconsistency. So he works the 343 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 5: magic last game after that, but one percent chance to win. 344 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 5: They get the on side kick, which is fantastic. You 345 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 5: just like to see that through the course of the game. 346 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 5: And this year has been really good for him in 347 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 5: the in the sense they've got the second best rushing 348 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 5: offense in the league, so that's helped them significantly. I 349 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 5: give I give Caleb and Johnson a ton of credit 350 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 5: for the way that they've cut down on the sacks. 351 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 5: To me, that's that's not just the offensive line. That's 352 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 5: a conscientious effort by Caleb, by Ben Johnson, by the 353 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 5: group to avoid those negative plays. So that growth, to me, 354 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 5: is incredible from from Caleb. I would just like to 355 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 5: see some more consistency throughout the course of the game. 356 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 5: But he's trending in the right direction. If I got 357 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 5: to live with a little bit lower completion percentage to 358 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 5: get those big plays, then yeah, I'm okay with that. 359 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: I tell my wife, you know, I'm not good at 360 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: cleaning the garage. I've got way, I've got great upside. 361 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm great in the fourth quarter. I can't fit the 362 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: tire on. 363 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 3: The car, but I'm really good in the fourth quarter. 364 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 5: Okay, you make big I do. 365 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: Don't picks, but you know, my completion percentage is very long, 366 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: great sing Eric. 367 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I uh. 368 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: People are saying, oh, Josh Allen this year, Like Josh 369 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: Allen if he was sixty three and a half percent, 370 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: they just don't throw the ball down the field. So 371 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: it's a lot of tight end stuff and they have 372 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: really good tight ends. Knocks Kincaid Hawes the third guy, Like, 373 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: they have really good tight ends and they can throw 374 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: to their backs. 375 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: I'm and they have a good slot receiver. 376 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: But Buffalo's not throwing the ball down the field and 377 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: that could end up biting you. Like if you're throwing 378 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: and Caleb throws the ball. I mean, Roma Dunze can 379 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: go deep. Dj Moore goes deep. Their tight end Lovelin 380 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: will go down the scene like they have guys that 381 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: Burden is a guy that can go deep. So they 382 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: are they are a big play offense. Buffalo's not. The 383 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: big players are provided by Josh Allen running around. 384 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 6: Colin, let me ask you about something you and Eric 385 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 6: just talked about. So the whole Jackson Dart, we could 386 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 6: trade him. 387 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 4: Think so we're seeing. 388 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 6: The season where backup quarterbacks are having a play because 389 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 6: guys are getting hurt. 390 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart gets hurt a lot. 391 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 6: Why not just draft Mendoza, keep Dart and see who 392 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 6: wins the starting job. 393 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 4: Heck, you don't even know who the coach is going 394 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 4: to be. The coach might want a scrambler or he 395 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 4: might want a pocket guy. 396 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: Well, well, but if you bring Mendoza in good question, 397 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: you want his O line fortified. You don't want him 398 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: getting beat up like a cow. So if you trade 399 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: Dart and can get a two and a four and 400 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: address your O line to a higher level, Mendoza doesn't 401 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: have to take a beating for a year because it's 402 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: not a great roster. They have their left tackle. But 403 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: even he gets hurt a lot on New Thomas. So 404 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: my take is you move Mendoz is the better prospect, bigger, 405 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: more accurate. 406 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: He just is. 407 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: I mean at cal he's as accurate as as Jackson 408 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: Dart was with Lane Kiffen and Old Miss and like 409 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: you know, Trey Harris and like the lead, I think 410 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: Trey play maybe maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But 411 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: like really good Old Miss offensive players. Lane can recruit 412 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: offensive dudes whoever the receivers, tight ends, backs were. So 413 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: my take is, and you also, you don't want in 414 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: New York City a quarterback battle. You do not want that. 415 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: Maybe it works in Jacksonville, not in the biggest media 416 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: market in the country. 417 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 6: It's interesting the fan base would The fan base loves Dart, honestly, 418 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 6: they think he is the new He's like the new 419 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 6: Jeremy Lynn. People love him great. The skill sets limited, 420 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 6: We'll see. I just I don't know what the coaches do, 421 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 6: is gonna want? Is the GM gonna be there? 422 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 4: The Giants have a lot of questions, man. 423 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: Yeah they do. That's why I would give up. I 424 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: would give up. I get picks. I try. 425 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: You know, with Mendoza and all those draft picks, you 426 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: could accumulate with Jackson Dart. Oh your roster a lot 427 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: of cheap labor? 428 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 4: What does that mean fetching multiple picks? 429 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: Dude? 430 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: There are eight teams that need a quarterback and there's 431 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: one good one coming out of college. 432 00:21:59,520 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: What do you want? 433 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 6: It? Was? 434 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: Sure? 435 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 4: Darts a franchise guy. 436 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: I think he's shown himself to be capable of it. 437 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 6: Gyron Taylor. If I thin Giants at Tyron Taylor career backup? 438 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 3: Oh, I think JA was good. Oh. I think Jackson 439 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 3: Darts better than Tyrod Taylor. 440 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 4: Teddy Bridgewater. 441 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: If Teddy Bridgewater would have stayed healthy, Teddy Bridgewater would 442 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: have been a nice franchise quarterback. 443 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: I like Teddy Bridgewater. 444 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 4: I liked him too. 445 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Jackson Darts a franchise quarterback. 446 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: Is he a top eight guy? Probably not, No, but 447 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: I think there's something there. I mean, I said I 448 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: thought he was a second round pick, so I'm wrong. 449 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: There's something there. 450 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 4: At top eight is rich. 451 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 6: I mean Jared Goff, his ceiling might have been top eight, 452 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 6: but then when it matters most he's like eighteen to twenty. 453 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 4: I mean, it's tough man to be a top eight quarterback. 454 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 455 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 456 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: and neon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 457 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app Pauly Fools go ahead 458 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: with Tony Foosco. 459 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 7: As everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning 460 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 7: Polly Antoni Fusco Show. 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Yeah, you 465 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: wasn't talking about you. 466 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 3: You took those clips totally out of context. 467 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Well, after this promo, I'm gonna take you 468 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 7: out and beat you. 469 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 4: Let me put this into context. 470 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: Shut up. 471 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, anyway, just listen to the Paully Antoni Fusco Show 472 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 7: on iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts. 473 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: Yee. 474 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: So, the six years before Sean Payton got to Denver 475 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: you had three head coaches and six losing seasons in 476 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: a row. In fact, the year before they were five 477 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: and twelve and the worst offense in the league. 478 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 3: Worst. So what's really impressive about the turnaround? 479 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: Because of the Russell Wilson cap hit and the draft 480 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: capital you gave up to get Russell, you could not 481 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: do a total build. You had to take a lot 482 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: of the guys you already had and make them better. 483 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: Four of their six Pro Bowlers this year, just named 484 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: were already on the team. This was not a total rebuild. 485 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: Sean Payton didn't have a draft capital or the cap 486 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: space that that's actually what Mike Vrabel can do. 487 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: Sean couldn't. 488 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: He took a guy like Quinn Miners, who was a 489 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: guard from a small school, who was a guy. He's 490 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: now arguably the best guard in the league since Sean 491 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: Payton arrived. He took Zach Allen four years in Arizona, 492 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: good player, not spec no Pro bowlers. Now Zach Allen's 493 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 1: a monster. So again he was What's really impressive was 494 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: and Jesse Mintor and Jim Harbad did this in the 495 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: same division where they took the thirty second ranked defense 496 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: with Brandon Staley made it number one with mostly a 497 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: couple of fifth round cornerbacks they drafted, but mostly the 498 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: same guys. So it's some some times you do get 499 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: like make Mike Frable in New England, where you inherit 500 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: this young quarterback. You've got two hundred and seventy five 501 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: million bucks, you got draft picks, and you can rebuild 502 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: it that way. And that doesn't mean it's bad, but 503 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: you were that when he took the job. Sean Payton 504 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: took this job, My take was, I'm not sure this 505 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: is good. I said it on the air. You got 506 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: no cab space and and you don't have draft capital, 507 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: and they go find a Zach Allen a Quinn minors 508 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: and you know, he takes a gamble on bow Knicks, 509 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: which most of the league thought was overdrafting him. 510 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 3: RJ. 511 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: Harvey most of the league thought it was overdrafted, and 512 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: they become incredibly valuable players, both on display last night. 513 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: Bow Knicks and Harvey both that's is that eleven touchdowns 514 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: for the rookie running back eleven. I mean, I mean, 515 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: that's could be more twelve. There's Sean Payton after the 516 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: winning darrowhead. 517 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 8: And heart fault win. I thought Kansas City did a 518 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 8: good job. 519 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 9: Andy. 520 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 8: And this this team, I don't care who comes out 521 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 8: of that locker room. This is a team that basically 522 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 8: has been at the top of our league for the 523 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 8: better part of a century and and uh and so 524 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 8: there's a ton of respect we have for what they've 525 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 8: been able to accomplish. 526 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's impressive. J Mack with the news. 527 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News. 528 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm about as impressed by the Broncos as I 529 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 6: am the Detroit Lions. Let's start with those Lions. Sorry, 530 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 6: I had to, Colin. It was a brutal ending to 531 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 6: the Lions season. Yesterday I was texting with the Lions fan. 532 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 6: We had made a bet on who was going to 533 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 6: be better, uh, Detroit or Denver this season. I had 534 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 6: Denver and it was a runaway I mean victory. The 535 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 6: Detroit Lions regressed badly. Jared Goff was awful. Colin, I 536 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 6: got some stats, will give you. 537 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 4: In a minute. 538 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 6: But here's Dan Campbell talking about the turnovers yesterday. 539 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 9: Anytime he's not able to step into throw, it's going 540 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 9: to be hard for him. You know, that's where he's 541 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 9: at his best, obviously, in the pocket. And you know, 542 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 9: if he's not able to at least hit that back 543 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 9: foot and step into it, it makes it pretty difficult. 544 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 9: Story of that game, six turnovers. I can't turn the 545 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 9: ball over six times and win in this league. 546 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, among the many problems. Not good. 547 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, So, Colin, I like Jared Goffi's a nice guy. 548 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 6: You know, he's building a house near me on the 549 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 6: South Bay. Colin, We've got a stat here for you 550 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 6: on the most like games with three plus turnovers in 551 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 6: recent years. You'll never believe who's at the top of 552 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 6: this list, Colin, Look at this Tua who you I mean, 553 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 6: just bear right and dear ride, and Jared Goff's right 554 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 6: there with him. 555 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: Well, Trevor Lawrence is too, and Trevor's gonna He's had 556 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: like six coaches. 557 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 6: Come on, give the guy a pack. I mean, Jared 558 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 6: Goff is in an offensive machine. And for whatever reason, 559 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 6: man things when they go bad for golf, they get 560 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 6: in his head. And we know the book on golf 561 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 6: doesn't play well in cold weather and get pressure up 562 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 6: the middle because he's not mobile. All the elite quarterbacks 563 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 6: can get out of the pocket. 564 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 4: And make throws on the run. 565 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: Hell, look, you got Stafford Stafford camp Stafford Stafford. 566 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, but he has great protection up the middle. Right, 567 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 4: they got it. They fortified the line. 568 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 6: Detroit loses their center and you could just see it 569 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 6: coming man up the middle. Brian Floor is repeatedly blitzing 570 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 6: up the middle. You could see it on these highlights. 571 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 6: It's as plain as clear as day. And I don't 572 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 6: I mean, people want to say, what's the fix for Detroit? Well, 573 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 6: they got like four defensive starters. I just looked this up. 574 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 6: Who are going to be free agents? The defense stings, 575 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 6: by the way, at some point we got to. 576 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 4: Mention Aaron Glenn. They lose Aaron Glenn, and the defense 577 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 4: is I mean, I know the injuries on the. 578 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 6: Back end, but like, I don't know what the quick 579 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 6: fix is here. I mean, they got some picks. I 580 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 6: think you must invest in the middle of the offensive line, 581 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 6: but you've paid the O line a Monra. 582 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: Frank ragnow retired. So through the years, I've said repeatedly 583 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: the most underwritted position in this sport is center. Is 584 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: that they call the audibles. It's the anchor. If there's 585 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: a great defensive tackle somewhere in the midst you have 586 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: to block him. There's a lot of edge rushers right 587 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: like you can get so offensive tackle. We know that's important, 588 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: but center gets overlooked. And I mean, I just if 589 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: you want to beat Philadelphia, the Rams have had a 590 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: problem blocking the interior of the O line of Philadelphia. 591 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: They're just as good, if not better a team. So 592 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: I think Frank ragnow gives you a late retirement and 593 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: they've been bailing water since then. Laporta gets hurt late 594 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: in the season along with that in an O line 595 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: injury or two, then it's snowballs. But it's still They've 596 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: been bad on third down all year. That's not just 597 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: O line issue. 598 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, by the way, look at the three teams that 599 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 6: have cratered, right. Lamar Jackson's offensive line tried the young 600 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 6: guys crumbling, Patrick Mahomes offensive line, the whifted on everybody 601 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 6: than left this kid Simmons who got hurt crumbling like 602 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 6: Jared Goff center. 603 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 4: I mean, you have to spend money on the old line. 604 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 4: It's imperative. 605 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 6: All right, let's move on to the next story, and 606 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 6: that's Nicola Jokic. 607 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 4: For those who stayed up late last night. What a game. 608 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 6: Anthony Edwards forces overtime with a crazy three from the corner, 609 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 6: but it was all Jokich Colin. This stat line is unbelievable, 610 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 6: the first fifty five fifteen fifteen game in the NBA history. 611 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 4: I mean, he's putting up Wilt type numbers. 612 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 6: Now what's crazy is they've got a bunch of injuries 613 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 6: on Denver. They started a couple guys. I'm like, what 614 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 6: what's he doing in the starting lineup? 615 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 4: It don't matter. 616 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 6: Jokic fifty six points, sixteen boards, fifteen assists, twenty two. 617 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 4: Of twenty three on free throws. 618 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 6: I'm sorry to the SGA guys out there, Yokich is 619 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 6: a I'm taking yoll kitch over SGA. 620 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 4: Ten times out of ten. I'm sorry, guys. 621 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, am I Yeah. 622 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: He's the best player in the world, has been for 623 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: four years. He is the best player in the world. 624 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: But but uh, he's got one ring. And part of 625 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: the reason is, Okay, C's got better three and D guys, 626 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: They've got more athleticism. That's the Lakers issue that you 627 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: watched last night. They're not athletic. They can't defend. So 628 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: Denver a couple of years ago had a much i 629 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: would say, broader, deeper roster. 630 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 3: They were a bit more athletic. 631 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: They moved off guys because of Jamal Murray and Jokich 632 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: and Gordon's contracts. So, but he is absolutely the most 633 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: skilled center in the history of the league. The only 634 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: player I can think of, Bill Walton had the ability 635 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: to shoot, defend, rebound, pass or Vita Sabonis the old 636 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: version came to the States. But he is the most 637 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: skilled big ever. I trust him shooting threes, free throws, passing, screening, scoring, 638 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: It's an unbelievable skill set. 639 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm wondering. 640 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 6: You said he's the most skilled center ever. So the 641 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 6: big question on I mean, this is a tough one. 642 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 6: I don't know the right answer here. Shak or Jokisch, who. 643 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 4: You take it now? 644 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 6: I know Shaq won the titles and every yeh blah 645 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 6: blah blah. It was a different era, Colin, and you 646 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,239 Speaker 6: could make a credible case that you know you would take. 647 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 4: You'll cut ch over Shack. He could just do so 648 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 4: many more things. 649 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 3: Well, I would. I mean, Shaq would be the first 650 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: to admit he struggled with a keen. 651 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, a cam Elaijahwan had his way with Shack because 652 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: his footwork, so in, Shaq was a different it's a 653 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: different era. You can't compare ears. But I'm just talking 654 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: the most skilled. I mean warned the Nuggets down like 655 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: two starters last night. I mean it's just like and 656 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: they still they were down three starters. 657 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, so listen, I've made the case for Luka. 658 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 6: I trying to push Luca's number one. At some point, 659 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 6: I'm gonna capitulate here, and he's just better. Final story callin, 660 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 6: let's go to the back to the NFL forty nine 661 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 6: Ers linebacker Fred Warner. By the way, quietly, there's chatter 662 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 6: though he could return for the NFC Championship game. 663 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 4: I know it's crazy, he just putting it out there. Anyway. 664 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 6: Warner did a podcast because that's what people do, and 665 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 6: he was asked who the toughest quarterback of the NFL is. 666 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 6: He said it was Joe Burrow. The toughest quarterback of 667 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 6: the NFL. The guy be called glass Joe. Here's Warner. 668 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 6: He's just a dog like he just for whatever reason, 669 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 6: I don't know, his makeup is different than a lot 670 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 6: of these guys in this league. 671 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 4: I'll let you take it away because you love Burrow. 672 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 6: You know him well. 673 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 4: I joked he's glass Joe, but. 674 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: No, I mean he'sn't he is. 675 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: I would say on third or fourth down, take out scrambling, 676 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: I need somebody to make a throw to get a 677 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: first down, third and fourth down, he's the best in 678 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: the league. He is the best third and fourth down thrower. 679 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 1: He has had atrocious O lines. Yeah, I don't think 680 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: he's ever had an O line in his career ranked 681 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: above twenty third. So and he's had mostly bad defenses. 682 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: So he can only win one way. He has to 683 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: win by track me. You know, if Fred Warner didn't 684 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: say Brock Perdy, by. 685 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 4: The way, I don't think that means anything. Perdy's not 686 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 4: a huge, strapping dude. 687 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 6: I'll just say this if you're asked me, and nobody 688 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 6: asked me, Josh Allen, it's for me. It's the toughest 689 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 6: quarterback in the league. I mean, I don't know that 690 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 6: it's close. 691 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 4: I like Burrow. 692 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 3: Burrow's a different style. Of course. Burrow's a little old school. 693 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 3: He'd rather sit in the pocket. 694 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: If Matt Stafford moved better like Burrow and Stafford to me, 695 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: would be the two best pocket quarterbacks in the league. 696 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: Like that, I think they're the best two guys in 697 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: the pocket in the league. The difference is Burrow can 698 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: move quite well. He's his comp coming out of college. 699 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: To me, everybody said Brady, I said, it's Tony Romo. 700 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: He's a way better version of Tony Romo. Like he 701 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: moves around, he doesn't make the mistakes. He's more committed, 702 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: but he moves like Tony. He's slippery. 703 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 6: But when Burrow and Stafford are about to get hit, 704 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 6: you're kind of wincing. When Josh Allen's getting hit, you're not. 705 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 6: You're like, he's gonna absorb it. 706 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 4: The guy's an Adonis. 707 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 708 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 3: Jmack with the news. 709 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The. 710 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: Herd Line News in one hour from now. J Mack 711 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: has his picks. I took four underdogs this week and 712 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: the Bengals Arizona over. So I like the dogs this week. 713 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,959 Speaker 1: It is you get to an interesting part. You're sitting 714 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: there watching yesterday and there's a lot of fight these 715 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: teams are finding Max Brosmer and Minnesota are out playing Detroit. 716 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: So dogs had a very good Christmas Day. 717 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 3: It's the Hurt. 718 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 719 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 2: and noon Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 720 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 721 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 6: Next Friday, Noah Fasida leads seventeenth ranked Arizona against SMU 722 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 6: in the Trust and will holiday bawl seven thirty Eastern 723 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 6: for thirty Pacific on Fox. 724 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 2: SO. 725 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: Connor Hughes covers the New York Giants. There is some discussion. 726 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: I saw a headline today, should Big Blue the Giants 727 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: trade Jackson Dart and select Indiana's Fernando Mendoza. And I've 728 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: said for years I feel very confident in my quarterback selections. 729 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: Y'all bailed on Darnold. I didn't like Manzeller, t Bow 730 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: or JaMarcus Rossler, Jamis Winston and a lot of people 731 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: make these moves. I liked Bo Nicks better than everybody else. 732 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: I love Drake Mayo of Caleb Williams. You know, I, 733 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: miss I thought Michael Penix would be better. But I'll 734 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: tell you I don't know how you don't consider it. 735 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: So if you go look at Mendoza, just go look 736 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: at the numbers. The two years at Cal coupled with Indiana. 737 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: Now Indiana now bought good players. But remember he's a 738 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: transfer to all new people. There is no pre season 739 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: in college. You have to learn on the fly and 740 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: go to classes with limitations on like the number of 741 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: hours you can practice. 742 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: So what he's done is really impressive. 743 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: It's very hard when you just inject yourself into a 744 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: college program. You got classes, you have limitations on practice. 745 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: So his numbers at CAL and Indiana combined, and this 746 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: is not Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, not even USC 747 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: or LSU, it's not. His numbers look like Andrew look 748 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 1: to me big, much bigger than Jackson Dart, much more 749 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: accurate than Jackson Dart, and Dart played with better players 750 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: in college, and Dart had Lane Kiffin's offense, which is 751 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: very quarterback friendly. So he's bigger, you start the clock, 752 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: he's more accurate, really really graceful and gracious kid. Just 753 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: it's very a lot of humility. So I don't know 754 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: how you don't at least think of it. The idea 755 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: that the New York Giants could look at it and think, hey, 756 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: we're not even going to think about it. The other 757 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: thing is, if you move Jackson Dart, think about this, 758 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: you could get a better quarterback and additional draft picks, 759 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: because there'll be enough desperate teams that'll give you a 760 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: second rounder, maybe a third and a fifth for Jackson Dart. 761 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean you could leverage that up. So the idea 762 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: that you could get a better quarterback certainly a better 763 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: quarterback prospect, that's not debatable. 764 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 3: That is not debate. 765 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: He's a better prospect, bigger, more accurate, and additional picks. 766 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: You're not going to consider that. I mean, if you 767 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 1: keep Jackson Dart, good luck higher whoever. You're not getting 768 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: additional picks. You're getting a guy that spends a lot 769 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: of time in the Blue ten. So to me, if 770 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: you can get a better prospect and more draft capital 771 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: at that, that's pretty good. I don't know how you 772 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: don't think about Eric Mangini on should the Giants at 773 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: least consider it? 774 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 5: Start's done some good things. He's excited the fan base, 775 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 5: but he excited that the fan base after he came 776 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 5: in for Russell Wilson, who kind of put the fan 777 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 5: base to sleep. And so it wasn't a high bar 778 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 5: that he had to overcome. But I don't know if 779 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 5: he's made a strong enough case saying, yeah, this is 780 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 5: our franchise quarterback. This is the guy that we're gonna 781 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 5: go and have a chance to compete for a championship 782 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 5: for the next ten years. 783 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. And last week when they played the Vikings at home, 784 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 1: the New York Giants offensive coach Mike Hofka literally made 785 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: a decision during the week, we don't want him throwing 786 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: the ball at all. I think he had one completion 787 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 1: in the first half. They took the ball of his hands. 788 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: That's what they did with JJ McCarthy at Michigan that 789 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: road game. That hardball wasn't on the sidelines. They said, 790 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: we're just not even gonna have him throw. I don't 791 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,439 Speaker 1: love that. That was one of the big turn offs 792 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: for me. I mean, Mike Kafka is like, I don't 793 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: want him throwing. Yeah, Brian Flores has rea a good coach. 794 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: You don't want him throwing. What league are we playing here? So, 795 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you have to consider all this stuff. 796 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: And also, you didn't give up a ton for Jackson Dart. 797 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me. But he 798 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: was like the twenty third, twenty four something like that pick. 799 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: You didn't give up a ton, was he twenty fifth 800 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: twenty fifth pick? I mean he didn't give up. 801 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 3: That much for him. 802 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: So the idea that you don't consider it and get 803 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: out of the emotional part. 804 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 3: I love him. 805 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: He's tough. He's so tough. He's in the Blue Tent 806 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: five times. I don't love that either. I've defended him 807 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: on that that when you're young and trying to pick 808 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: up yards and learning NFL defenses, I'm going to defend you. 809 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: Drake May ended up in the blue tennis first year, 810 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: and then they got him really good players. Drake May 811 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,439 Speaker 1: does not end up in the Blue tent, so doesn't 812 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: have scataboo, right, And I get but Giant fans, you 813 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: haven't made a lot of really good decisions in the 814 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: last decade, and you're gonna tell me you wouldn't consider it. 815 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: You have to consent that you could get Mendoza and 816 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: additional draft picks, and you say, well, who would want 817 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart Go give me the mock draft again. If 818 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: Dante Moore doesn't leave Oregon, the Raiders need a quarterback. 819 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: The Browns made draft one, the Jets need one, the 820 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: Cardinals need one. I think the Saints think they have one. 821 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: The Bengals could probably draft one, but that's not their 822 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: primary need. So there's plenty of teams. And also not 823 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: in the top ten picks is Miami. Miami I think 824 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,479 Speaker 1: is just out of the top ten. Miami could draft 825 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback, probably will. They have plenty of takers on 826 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart's got a Miami look. Trade for 827 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart not paying him anything, then you can win. 828 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: Stand if you're the Miami Dolphins, You're like, we're in 829 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: a different conference. 830 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 3: You know. 831 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: A lot of teams like jack I mean, if I 832 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: was the Miami Dolphins and I and I have I 833 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: have two, I was like, I'll trade up to get 834 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. 835 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 2: Kylein. 836 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: He's not making any money. He was late first round, 837 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: so I can withstand to his cap hit if I 838 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: move to it for a sixth rounder. 839 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 6: How about door number three, We trade down, we trade 840 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 6: the number one pick, and we get a haul. We 841 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 6: start Jackson Dart, see if he's the guy, and if 842 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 6: he fails, you know what next year? Arch Manning and 843 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 6: a bunch of other dudes are coming out. It's gonna 844 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 6: be a way better class. Sellers is sticking around college. 845 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 6: We just we punt to twenty twenty seven, all right. 846 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,879 Speaker 1: That for the For the record, i'd consider that too. 847 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 1: My point is you have to consider Mendoza as a pet, 848 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: and I think trading down is something that may make 849 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: a lot of sense.