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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me.

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Speaker 1: Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is a fan favorite actor

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Speaker 1: and an all around incredible human being. Gavin Leatherwood joins

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Speaker 1: a show who became a household name from his beloved

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Speaker 1: role in the hit drama series Chilling Adventures of Sabrina,

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Speaker 1: which was on Netflix, where he played a warlock named

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Speaker 1: Nicholas alongside the lovely Kieran in Schipka. Now to celebrate

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Speaker 1: spooky season, which happens to be one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: times of the year, his latest film called It's What's Inside.

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Speaker 1: It drops October fourth on Netflix and let me tell you, oh,

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Speaker 1: I predict it's going to be huge. The movie is

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Speaker 1: smart and sexy, it's captivating, it keeps you on the

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Speaker 1: edge of your seat for the entire time. Now here's

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Speaker 1: a fun fact. It was the largest acquisition out of

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Speaker 1: sun Dance in twenty twenty four and Netflix paid a

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Speaker 1: record breaking seventeen million dollars for this psychological thriller. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's safe to say Netflix saw something in this movie.

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Speaker 1: Oh and my dear friend Coleman Domingo, he's the executive

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Speaker 1: producer of the movie and we all know his taste

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Speaker 1: is impeccable. Gavin Shine's bright in this film like he

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Speaker 1: always does, and man ah, he is such an all

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Speaker 1: around cool dude. So let's see if today we can

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Speaker 1: get Gavin to say something that he has never said before.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Leatherwood, how you doing on man? Welcome to New York.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. It's good to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have you here. Although a few seconds

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Speaker 1: ago you threatened to take my job and turn the

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Speaker 1: tables and interview me, so I'm not sure that's right.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be asking you a lot of personal stuff today.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I hope you're ready. I have a list

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Speaker 2: year Oh good, good, good, Well, I can't wait. Kind

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Speaker 2: of regretting him having you on now, but it's all good.

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Speaker 1: We'll have some fun. Well, welcome, welcome, I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: have you. I have a very important question to kick

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Speaker 1: off this conversation. And the Internet has deemed you their boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: Oh how do you.

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Speaker 1: Become the Internet's boyfriend? What are those credentials? How do

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Speaker 1: I become that only cow?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I know the answer to that.

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Speaker 2: I think the Internet is this own beast of its

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Speaker 2: own thing that just sort of takes off and runs

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Speaker 2: into different directions.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I've done. Take a couple of

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Speaker 2: pictures and post them, and I guess that's what works

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Speaker 2: at that. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Man, did you know that you were called the Internet's boyfriend?

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Speaker 2: I mean I did, like maybe years ago when I

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Speaker 2: was when I was a younger buck, But I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I was still dude.

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Speaker 1: You're still up there?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Well there you go, there you go. Hopefully I will

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Speaker 1: learn the ways after our conversation to make sure.

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Speaker 2: You'll do just fine. All right with those with those

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Speaker 2: baby blue eyes.

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Speaker 1: Bro, we'll listen. I've been told they're nice here and there,

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Speaker 1: and so I'll work my way up. But anyway, we

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Speaker 1: have a movie to talk about today. It's fantastic. But

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Speaker 1: before we get to that, I kind of want to

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Speaker 1: reflect a bit on some other things that got you

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Speaker 1: to this point, one being, of course, I would say,

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Speaker 1: the show that kind of put you on the map,

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Speaker 1: It shot you into this international superstardom, right, the Chilling

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Speaker 1: Adventures of Sabrina. Do you think about your time on

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Speaker 2: Actually, I just watched the bloopers recently that are on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: and it's a great time to reminisce on. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if any of us really knew how

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Speaker 2: special it was when we're in it. You know that thing.

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Speaker 2: It's nostalgia. Really, It's like you're doing something and you're

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Speaker 2: just you're just filled with joy and having fun and

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Speaker 2: doing the damn thing. And then you know, some years

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Speaker 2: that was really special. And I actually just saw a

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Speaker 2: bunch of the cast members the other night for the Emmys.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a little party, a little gathering.

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Speaker 2: I got to see Tati and Abby and Luke and

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Speaker 2: Kiernan was there somewhere, but I managed to miss her unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: But we're all just like still we all still love

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Speaker 2: each other and see each other now and then, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like a little family. Man. Yeah, it's crazy when

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Speaker 1: You'll always have that, right, Like, I'm sure that's what's

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Speaker 1: so special about doing a show like that is you're

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Speaker 2: Totally, dude. Yeah, it's a it's one of the most

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Speaker 2: like joyous moments that I've lived in my thirty years

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Speaker 1: Well, aside from the cast you're clearly so close to

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Speaker 1: Like what do you miss the most about being on

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Speaker 2: I mean, God, what do I miss the most about

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Speaker 2: that time? Honestly, Like the routine of that job was

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Speaker 2: It's like as close you're going to get in this

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Speaker 2: and honestly, that's really nice. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of people might like pedestalize the

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Speaker 2: uproot your life at any given moment and move across

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Speaker 2: that that stability is nice, and having that with all

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Speaker 2: these people that you love, which is luck. I think.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, that was just a really nice aspect

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when you said the word nostalgic, right, and

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Speaker 1: that's so hot right now. Everybody wants to feel the

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Speaker 1: that more and more with the rise of reboots and

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Speaker 1: could I go back to that role if that opportunity

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I've thought about this. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It would have to be done in such a way

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Speaker 2: that is above my pay grade. Like I couldn't tell

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Speaker 2: we didn't. We didn't deliver the ending that the fans deserve.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was controversial, Yeah, people either liked it or

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Speaker 1: people either really didn't like it, as I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: saw on social media, right, Yeah, and for everyone listening

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Speaker 1: with spoiler alert. But your character sacrificed himself right to

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Speaker 2: But it was controversial, Yeah, totally, So you felt that too, totally.

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Speaker 1: How do you deal with something like that? Like you're

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Speaker 1: you're as you said, you're a artist. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: no guarantee of work, you're on something that's a hit,

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Speaker 2: That, well, dude, I mean I I was, looking back,

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Speaker 2: I mean I bought a sprinter van right after that

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Speaker 2: I was just like a little careless or like whatever whatever, whatever,

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Speaker 1: Dude, that's wild. For how long?

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Speaker 2: I did that for like a few months at least.

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Speaker 1: It was cool.

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Speaker 2: I love being on the road. I've done stuff like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly a nature guy.

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Speaker 2: I got wanderlest man. I just want to see and

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Speaker 1: That's a weird concept to me being in New York

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Speaker 2: Dude, totally. I mean it's it's a different world, you know, la,

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Speaker 2: it's important. If I don't get that, I go crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I lose it a little bit. Yeah, I feel you,

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Speaker 2: Get out of the city tone.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying, man, I'm trying. Well. Something that I know

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Speaker 1: also made you a bit crazy was the movie I

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Speaker 2: You in It Make you crazy too.

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Speaker 1: I felt like I was going a little crazy watch it.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was such a wild ride. It's

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Speaker 1: called It's What's Inside? And why don't you tea up?

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Speaker 1: What this movie is about? How would you describe it?

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Speaker 2: This is a psychological thriller with body swapping elements. Eight

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Speaker 2: friends are meeting on the eve of a best friend's

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Speaker 2: you know, naturally, madness ensues. But it's fun. It's anxiety

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Speaker 2: you're in and at times, it's sexy at times, and

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Speaker 2: it's just a good old fashioned fun movie. And your

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Speaker 2: character is I played Dennis. Dennis. He's like, he's a

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Speaker 2: trust fun baby. He's very different from who I am.

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Speaker 2: He's like heavily tattooed, a bit of a loud. I

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Speaker 2: had such a fun time playing him, dude. There's something

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Speaker 2: really neat about playing someone so different from your own personality,

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Speaker 2: where you get to like kind of leave you out

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Speaker 2: completely different person, you know, I don't know, it's rewarding

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Speaker 2: to play. Yeah, And I kept the tattoos on, like

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Speaker 1: How long was that for?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm definitely on it more often than normal, you know,

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Speaker 2: in Portland, Oregon, and we were all just like in

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00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 2: this little enclosed space together the whole time, you know,

434
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 2: and everyone else was, you know, flying up from wherever

435
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: they were coming from. And I was the only one

436
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 2: that lived in Oregon. I my family's in Oregon, and

437
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: I I was there for the duration of the shoot.

438
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: So it was just kind of fun to like have

439
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: all these people up in this like, you know, outside

440
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 2: of their regular territory. And Oregon's a special place and yeah,

441
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,239
Speaker 2: you know, and when you shoot together all night, you

442
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: it's like slumber party vibes. Yeah, you know, when you

443
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 2: like hang out with friends during the day, it's very

444
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 2: different than like what happens in the middle of the night.

445
00:21:54,320 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 2: Like it's just different and that creates memories that you

446
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: don't forget easily, you know. Yeah, it was so fun.

447
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 2: I love this gas. They're all so talented too.

448
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's phenomenal. And yeah, like I said, you all

449
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: offer something so different, which is really cool, so good.

450
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: I find a rewarding when you come across a movie

451
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: that you actually feel like, Wow, that was worth my time,

452
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: because nowadays people want bite size, binge worthy things, and

453
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: I feel like movies are sometimes a bit of a

454
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: harder cell, especially getting people to a theater, but even streaming.

455
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: So why must people tune into this movie? Like why

456
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: can't we miss it? What would you say?

457
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I feel like yeah, like more to your point,

458
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: we've sort of like the landscape of film and television

459
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,239
Speaker 2: has totally changed, you know. Streaming has has kind of

460
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: swept the whole entertainment industry in a big way. And

461
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's inspired certain things to just get

462
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 2: made quickly, you know. And this movie was made with

463
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: a very specific, meticulous vision that was Greg who's a

464
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: first time director. He directed this, he wrote it, he

465
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: did the VFX, and he edited it, which is just like,

466
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: hats off to him because that's a lot of work.

467
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: And I remember seeing him after we shot it, like

468
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: several months after, and you know, he looked a little crazy,

469
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, like he had been keeping his

470
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 2: head down and really working hard at this thing and

471
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: it turned out the way he had envisioned it, you know.

472
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: And I think so much of what gets made like

473
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 2: might get watered down by a lot of different opinions.

474
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: You know, Like you have a writer write a script,

475
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: then they take it to a studio or a streaming

476
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: service or a producer, and then they go, yeah, but

477
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: this is gonna change, and this is going to change,

478
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 2: and then you know, and then from there it goes

479
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 2: to the director and goes, yeah, but this is going

480
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: to change, and this is going to change, and then

481
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: it gets so far away from what it was originally

482
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: intended to be. And this is something that is purely

483
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: from this creative dude's mind, and you feel that, like

484
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't it. You know, it went to Sundance, they

485
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: submitted it, and it got a screen there, and it's

486
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: still true to like who this dude was as an artist.

487
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: You know, imagine sharing a canvas with five other painters. Yeah,

488
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 2: it wouldn't really be cohesive, No, but this is a

489
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: you know, aside from all of that, like, it's just

490
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: a fun fucking movie. Man, It's a wild ride. Everyone's

491
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: like so on their a game in this like that.

492
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: I think being in an ensemble of eight very talented actors,

493
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: you know, it encourages you to be your best and

494
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: we all had that and we felt like we were

495
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: in the trenches together during it. And you know, our

496
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: whole crew too, is just like right there and it's

497
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 2: just fun. Man. I think people are just gonna really

498
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: enjoy it.

499
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: And it's unpredictable. Yeah, it's very rare that I'm like

500
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: truly truly thrown. When I'm watching something, I can usually

501
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: connect the dots. This one no idea good no idea.

502
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: At the ending, I was like, what the Like it

503
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: was crazy and I'm leaving it there. But like, everybody

504
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: really needs to tune in because to me, it's fresh,

505
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: it's fun, and it's part of the thrill is trying

506
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: to figure out, well, how is this going to pan

507
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: out for everybody? So I am I'm a fan of it.

508
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that I'm a fan of the movie.

509
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: I am I'm gonna hook you up to the light

510
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: touch All right, let's do it.

511
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it. Man, you touch on

512
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: something earlier, and when we were talking about the theme

513
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: of social media and kind of protecting your mental health

514
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: and your space. It's a real thing today, right, Like

515
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: the mental health aspect of the world we live in.

516
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: It's it's I always say, it's a crisis, and people

517
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: need to I think, have more open and honest conversations

518
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: about it. So, like, how do you protect your headspace?

519
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: Like what do you do as Gavin when you're not

520
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: on set, when you can just be who you are

521
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: and not a character to get in touch with that.

522
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: Man, you are the the five people that you spend

523
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: the most time with, Like you're the average of the

524
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: five people that you hang out with the most, you know,

525
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: And I think that that's just like that's a big

526
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: piece of the pie. There's a lot of things that

527
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: I do, you know, personally, and a lot of things

528
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: that I think everyone maybe could benefit from, like journaling

529
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: and meditating and therapy and you know, like exercising and

530
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: eating well and getting sun and getting good sleep. Like

531
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: you know, there's obviously like those aspects, but I didn't

532
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: really feel like maybe secure in my being until I

533
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: had a group of people around me who were like minded,

534
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: who I could talk to, who I could be vulnerable with.

535
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, so much of this world is,

536
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: like we're saying, and on social media, it's just like

537
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: a very shallow representation of people. And you know, if

538
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 2: you don't have like a group of people that you

539
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: can cry in front of or express yourself honestly with,

540
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: it's it's hard, man, you know. And you know, I

541
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: remember like manifesting my group of friends because I just

542
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: kind of kept my head down and did my own thing,

543
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: and you know, was really fixated on career and you know,

544
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: being an artist and all this right, very die hard

545
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: in that regard, and I didn't leave a lot of

546
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: room for a social life, for things outside of career.

547
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: And when you put all that emphasis and pressure on

548
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: one area of your life, it can be totally consuming.

549
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: And as soon as I was like, oh, I need

550
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: a good group of friends, like I want to be

551
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: around a good group of people who you know, I

552
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: have some sort of like brotherhood or camaraderie with, and

553
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: I asked for that. And then you know, my buddy

554
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: uh Enzo, who I had known like here and there

555
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: out in public. Literally texted me that day and was like,

556
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: do you want to come camping with me and some guys?

557
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: And I was like camping, that's like right in my eye.

558
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: And he was like, we're not going to Cochella. I

559
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: don't know if you are. I was like, I'm fucking

560
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: coming camping, dude, Like let's go to the desert and

561
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: like sleep on the on the ground, and it just

562
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: like it just happened, and now we're all buddies. And

563
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: since then, I just feel like some greater connection and

564
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: sense of purpose that I don't think I otherwise would

565
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: have gotten just from a career solely. You know, So

566
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: you have to, I don't know, you have to strike

567
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: a balance in life, and you know, there's more to

568
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: life than just work or just you know, whatever, whatever

569
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: the thing is for you.

570
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you say that, because I, you know,

571
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: I've interviewed I don't know, let's say, thousands and thousands

572
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: of people up to this point, and one of the

573
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: most common themes I see is and it's sad, as

574
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: the people who I've interviewed who sometimes have the most

575
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: success in the world and didn't give themselves any space

576
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: to be who they really are and not a character.

577
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: Are sometimes the loneliest and it's like wow, and it's hard, right,

578
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: easier so than done. You have a goal, you're working towards,

579
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: a very very very hard goal that's not attainable by

580
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: most of the population. It's you know, whatever that industry is.

581
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: There's various industries that can be said for So, yes,

582
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: you have to put in the work and put your

583
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: head down some and do what you need to do

584
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: to get there. But then it's realizing the point where

585
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: you need to say, Okay, I'm there or I'm in

586
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: the realm of what makes me happy, so let me

587
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: start filling other buckets of my life.

588
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, I think you know, I don't know.

589
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: I mean I could talk about this for hours, honestly,

590
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: but like to be in such an achieving culture, you know,

591
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: we there is no end. Yeah, there is no cap

592
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: to success or money. Like you know, well, okay, you've

593
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: done the thing. How much more of the thing do

594
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: you need than before you're happy? And I think cultivating

595
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: like joy or happiness is like more worthwhile maybe than

596
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: like material wealth or whatever that is. You know.

597
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I feel the same way. I will never

598
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: and this is true. I will never say I have

599
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: a professional goal without also adding in a personal goal,

600
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: like I'll always side by side them. So even when

601
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: I think about, you know, the new year, not that

602
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm big on resolutions, but or whatever, Like, whenever I'm

603
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: thinking of what I want to achieve next, I say,

604
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: this is it plus something for me? Like that doesn't

605
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: include my worth based on my job, which I think

606
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: is an important thing. So I guess off of that,

607
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: for you, what's a personal goal you have and what's

608
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: the professional goal you have?

609
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I'm not big on resolutions either, I guess

610
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know. I just try to do

611
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: my best in as many areas of my life as

612
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: I can. I'm a big fan of the book The

613
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz. I'm sure you've read.

614
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people have. But one of

615
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: the agreements is always do your best right, don't take

616
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: anything personally, be impeccable with your word, and don't make

617
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: assumptions right. Those are the four agreements. So like, in

618
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: terms of personal or professional goals, I really just want

619
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: to like maintain a sense of integrity of character through

620
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: whatever those things are the goals are going to change.

621
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: It's almost like there should be less of an emphasis

622
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: on the thing itself and more on the how you

623
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: do those things. Obviously, I want to work, I want

624
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: to be in more movies. I want to stretch as

625
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: an artist. I want to release music, and like, you know,

626
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: I want to continue to draw, and like I want

627
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: a well balanced social life, and I want to see

628
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: my family and I want to have a family, and

629
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: I want to be a good man. You know, I

630
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: mean all of those things obviously, but like I think,

631
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: I think that's obvious.

632
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but how are you.

633
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: Going to do all those things? I think that's the kicker,

634
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: and that's where the focus should really be. Like put

635
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: you know, that's what we should pay more attention to.

636
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: Maybe I feel like you're.

637
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: Taking me to church today and I'm here for I'm

638
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: here for it.

639
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: Not that I have the answers or all of them,

640
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: but you know, I don't know. That's just where I'm

641
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: at right now.

642
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's a good reminder. It's well said, and

643
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: I think it's always important when people in your position

644
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: speak to things like that. And even earlier you mentioned

645
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: like dude should be able to be vulnerable and try

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Speaker 1: like all of that, Yes, like more of that. I'm

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Speaker 1: such an advocate for all of that. My God, I

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Speaker 1: could talk to you for four more hours, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure your team would appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: So I might cry too if you did that, so

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Speaker 2: it's probably good.

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Speaker 1: What I will do is I'm going to wrap up

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Speaker 1: with a question I ask everybody at the end of

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Speaker 1: my conversation with them, and that question is based off

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Speaker 1: the title of the show. I've never said this before,

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Speaker 1: So is there something you can think of whatever that

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Speaker 1: means to you, that you have never said before.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have given this some thought because I

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Speaker 2: figured the title of the show that you would be

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Speaker 2: asking that question, And you know, I did some digging

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Speaker 2: into my into my own spirit and psyche. And I

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Speaker 2: don't say hardly ever that I hate something or someone.

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Speaker 2: The phrase like I hate feels so counterproductive to what

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Speaker 2: we're here to do, which is grow, you know, And

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Speaker 2: if you're not If you're not growing, then you're, like

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Speaker 2: I said earlier, if you're not expanding, then you're contracting

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Speaker 2: artistically and even as humans or in our souls or

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Speaker 2: whatever however existentially you want to get. But It doesn't

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Speaker 2: really do any good to hate anything, you know, Even

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Speaker 2: the bad experiences in life are so informative and they

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Speaker 2: teach us how to be better in some way, you know.

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Speaker 2: So if you can replace that like hatred for empathy

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Speaker 2: or compassion or gratitude, that's what I've tried to do.

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Speaker 2: And I don't if you ever catch me saying I

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Speaker 2: hate something or someone that, I'd give everyone permission to,

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Speaker 2: you know, slap me on the wrist and say, I

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Speaker 2: remember you said something about that. But yeah, man, I

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Speaker 2: just I don't have any of that inside of me,

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Speaker 2: and I don't intend to bring it with me wherever

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Speaker 2: I go.

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Speaker 1: And when you hear it, it's a very jarring phrase,

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Speaker 1: at least to me, it is. It's like, oh.

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Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, it hurts, and there's plenty of it in

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Speaker 2: the world, you know. Yeah, it's like you have to

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Speaker 2: make a conscious effort to not allow yourself to get

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Speaker 2: wrapped up and all the bullshit and in our own egos. Right,

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Speaker 2: but we're here for such a short time, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we have the opportunity to make other people's experiences easier

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Speaker 2: or harder, and I just want to contribute towards the

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Speaker 2: light in any way I can.

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Speaker 1: Could you be any cooler?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm what

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Speaker 1: do I say to that? How do I end this conversation?

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Speaker 1: After that?

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Speaker 2: I forget your dude? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Five eight and a half.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got my pumps in today, yeah five nine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, we'll take five to nine, Gavin.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for hanging out, man, truly a pleasure. You

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Speaker 1: remind everyone one more time. Your movie how to watch

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Speaker 1: When All the Things It's.

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Speaker 2: Called It's What's Inside. It's on Netflix October fourth. Be

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Speaker 2: sure to stream the Ship out of It.

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Speaker 1: Stream the Ship out of It. Thank you, my man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you dude.

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Speaker 2: Such a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I've never said this before. It is hosted

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Speaker 1: by me, Tommy Diderio. This podcast is executive produced by

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Speaker 1: Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by me Tommy, with editing

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Speaker 1: by Joshua Colaudney. I've never I ever said this before

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Speaker 1: is part of the Elvis Duran podcast network on iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and

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