1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Hi, Get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and this is the 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast, the Kansas City Here we Come edition. 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: As we get you set for Sunday nights game between 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: the four and two first place in the AFC North 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Bengals and the five and one first place in the 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: AFC West Kansas City Chiefs. Coming up an in depth 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: conversation with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham, including his thoughts 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: on how the Bengals should have managed the clock better 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: in the final few minutes of last week's lost to 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. As the Bengals prepare to face the 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: hottest jung quarterback in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes, I'll talk 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: to a member of the Bengals defense who knows all 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: about the Chiefs, twenty three year old QB linebacker Jordan Evans. 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: When Mahomes was at Texas Tech, he threw for seven 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: hundred thirty four yards and five touchdowns in a game 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: against Devans Oklahoma Sooners. I'll talk to George and about that, 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: and in this week's Know the Faux segment on the 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: upcoming opponent, we'll talk to Nate Taylor, who covers the 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: Chiefs for the athletic Kansas City. All of that is 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: straight ahead. But first, here's a quick reminder that you 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered right 22 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, 23 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest invention since music streaming services. 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: I'm an Apple music guy, but whether it's Spotify, Pandora, 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: or whatever, how great is it to have a gigantic 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: music library at your fingertips at all times? While I 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: missed the time I used to spend browsing through record stores, 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 1: it's pretty cool to have the world's largest record store 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: on my phone. Now, let's get to football. The Bengals 30 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: not only suffered a gut wrenching loss to the Pittsburgh 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: Steelers last week, but the game was very costly in 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: terms of injuries. Lineacker Nick Vigil, who is tied for 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: sixth in the NFL and tackles, is currently walking around 34 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: on crutches with a knee injury. Slot Cornered Darquez Dinard 35 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: has his right arm in as sling due to an 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: injury to the joint between his sternham and collar bone, 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: and safety Shawn Williams is in concussion protocol. If Williams 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: isn't back by Sunday, the Bengals will be missing three 39 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: of their four leading tacklers against the team that's averaging 40 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: nearly thirty six points a game. Yikes. There was some 41 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: good injury related news on Wednesday, as John Ross was 42 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: full go at practice, so there's reason to think he'll 43 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: be back on the field this week after missing the 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: Miami and Pittsburgh games. Now time to bring him. My 45 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: broadcast partner Dave Lapham to close the book on last 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: week's lost to the Steelers and look ahead to Sunday 47 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: night at KC. Lap You've seen the video, You've heard 48 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: from various current and former officials. Should the Steelers game 49 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: winning touchdown pass had been wiped out by an offensive 50 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: pass interference penalty? I really think it should have because 51 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: the litmus test for me would be, if I were 52 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: a coach, is that how I would coach that play 53 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: technique wise? And it's not because it's a fifty fifty proposition. 54 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: You hear, you know, the NFL hierarchy is saying, well, 55 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: you know they're not going they're not gonna dog their guy. 56 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: They're gonna say, oh, it's within the yard of the 57 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and blah blah blah. But in the 58 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: Miami game, same Sunday, exact same concept was run. It 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: was called OPI. I think if the Cincinnati Bengals go 60 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: to Kansas City and run that, they'll get called for OPI. 61 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: So if if it's that dicey fifty fifty, and as 62 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: a coach, I wouldn't teach that technique. You know that 63 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: that hunter employed. I mean, big guy sixty three just 64 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: came off engulfed Tony McCrae didn't even try to run route, 65 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: just blocked him. So I mean he didn't even try 66 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: to hide it. You know, think that he was running 67 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: a route. So if that technique is employed, I mean 68 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't coach that technique. That's too risky. So I 69 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: think it should have been called just for that alone. 70 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: But Tony McCray told us on Bengal's line on Monday 71 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: night that no matter he said, he can't rely on 72 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: officials calls. He ran the ron technique. He took outside 73 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: technique and he should have been inside, and if you're inside, 74 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: maybe it would have been called because it would have 75 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: been more egregious to contact with the rub coming inside, 76 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: but because he was outside, it was easier for a 77 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: hunter to contact him and more room for Antonio Brown 78 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: to get inside of him. And then you fear so 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: last make a split second decision. Who contacted who first? 80 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Wasn't within a yard and it was so close. I mean, 81 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: in discussion with Tony, he said, I can't tell you 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: who touched who first. It was a blur. I mean, 83 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: it's all so fast, you're playing press coverage. I don't know. 84 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if he hit me first or I 85 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: hit him. We hit each other. That's all I can 86 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: tell you. And he said, once again, it was my bad. 87 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: There was no confusion. I said, I saw you tapping 88 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: your head, tapping your helmet, you know, as William Jackson 89 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: came inside. You guys were in communication, you know, he said, yep. 90 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: And then I made a mistake. I played improper technique. 91 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: And I loved that kid because he got in front 92 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: of it. He came out in front of the whole 93 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati and said, it's on me, and that 94 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: kid's going to be around a long time because he's 95 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: going to learn from his mistake and it will never 96 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: ever happen to him again. Let's hope he plays well 97 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: at Kansas City because he's definitely going to get a 98 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: lot of playing time. The other thing down on that 99 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: is he said they practice a play Pittsburgh has running 100 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: a ton. He said a couple of years ago, Adam 101 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: Jones made a play on it where they running that rubbing. 102 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: Adam Jones recognized it, made a play on it, so 103 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: it's not it wasn't something new that Pittsburgh And he 104 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: said he felt like they checked to it like Ben 105 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: check to it when he saw zero coverage, and he 106 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: said they they've run it multiple time times in the 107 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: red zone and goal line situations, so he was aware 108 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: of it. There was no confusion. He knew what was 109 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: going on. He just played it wrong. As the Bengals 110 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,679 Speaker 1: are driving for their go ahead touchdown, you were saying 111 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: in real time, don't leave too much time on the 112 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: clock for Big Ben. Should they or could they have 113 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: done anything different? You know, it's Hindsight's always twenty twenty 114 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: and there's no question about it. And the first thing 115 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: you have to do you're down six points, field goal 116 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: is not going to do any good. You gotta get 117 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: the ball in the end zone. We're not talking just 118 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: a field goal. But in today's football, as explosive as 119 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: offenses are and as good as Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, 120 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, we saw all of them this past weekend. 121 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: Do last minute drives that ended up last second field 122 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: goals or touchdowns to win football games. These guys are 123 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: too good. So unfortunately, as an offensive coordinator, head coach, whatever, 124 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: you have to look at the big picture and say, 125 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: I know only have to score a touchdown. I have 126 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: to melt it. I can't give this guy time. Look 127 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: what almost happened in Atlanta when Matt Ryan got the 128 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: ball with very little time on the clock. I mean 129 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: he had Julio Jones for like sixty seven yards on 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: two plays. It's like, are you kidding me? Oh my gosh, unbelievable. 131 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: You know, Ben, the Bengals. The Bengals not only left 132 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: too much time, they left all the I mean he 133 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: had timeouts. A minute and twelve seconds with multiple timeouts 134 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: is a eon of time. It can run way too 135 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: many plays. So my thing is, even if you're at 136 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: your own thirty five yard line, don't snap the ball 137 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: with twenty two seconds on the play clock. Don't snap 138 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: the ball when you're at the eleven yard line of 139 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steals with seventeen secons on the play clock. 140 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: You know, if if you took thirty five seconds off 141 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: that play clock during the course of that drive instead 142 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: of a minute twelve, he would have had, you know, 143 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: like thirty thirty seven seconds to work with. So that's 144 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: a big, big difference. And again, you know, I know, 145 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: the first thing is we got to score a touchdown, 146 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: so you don't want to have to worry about all 147 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: the other stuff, and you like the tempo you're moving 148 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: with and all that. Just stay in the huddle, stay 149 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: in the huddle and let the clock mill town, don't 150 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: let the don't make the offensive lineman stand up there 151 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: for fifteen seconds and the defense is saying stuff to you, 152 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: and you know you're bannering back forth. You might lose 153 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: your focus, concentration, whatever. Stay in the huddle, get up 154 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: the line screen. And then people gonna be like, well, 155 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: what if you have to audible, Well, don't leave the 156 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: huddle with two seconds, you know, leave the huddle, you know, 157 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: under ten seconds. And if you have to audible, that's 158 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: even better, and snap it at two seconds. You know, 159 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: if you don't snap it at seven or six or whatever. 160 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: But I mean Ben does it, Brady does it. I 161 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: mean you have to see the whole big picture on 162 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: top of the fact, Dan, like we talked about, during 163 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: the course of the game, the defense was injured, they 164 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: were leaking oil, they were bleeding, they were struggling. You 165 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: had you had people in there that didn't practice with 166 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: the number ones all week. And you want to give 167 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger a minute and twelve seconds and multiple timeouts. 168 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: You're asking you're cruising for a bruising and all you 169 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 1: had to get was a field goal. A field goal 170 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: all you were taking one point lead if you scored 171 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: the touchdown and kicked the extra point. So in my mind, 172 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: that should even heighten it more overall game management. I mean, 173 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: Ben only has to get even if it's a touchback 174 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: from the twenty five yard line. You know, Ben's looking 175 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: at maybe getting forty yards and he's got a minute 176 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: in twelve seconds and you know, multiple timeouts. That's that's 177 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: a tough call for the defense to step up to 178 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: prevent for sure. And the last two weeks Andy Dalton 179 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: has been under more pressure than he was in the 180 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: first four games of the year. Did the Dolphins and 181 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: Steelers do something that everybody's gonna copy. I think part 182 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: of it as a former lineman is the run pass imbalance. 183 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: You know, when you're running it twelve like times like 184 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: they did twelve thirteen times and throwing it over forty 185 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: that's tough. That's their tea and off on first down. 186 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: I just rechecked my play by playsheet through it twenty 187 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: times and ran it twice on twenty seven first downs, 188 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,599 Speaker 1: and I'm cotton lam all penalty. Whatever the case may be. 189 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: The call was a pass. That's hard. That's hard when 190 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: you're pass protecting that much. And the two runs, one 191 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: of them Joe Mixon gassed for thirteen yards. It's not 192 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: like Joe Mixon ran the ball efficiently. Mark Walton had problems, 193 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: but Joe Mixon was gashing them. In my opinion, with 194 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: leadyon Bell, in the situation he's in, Joe Mixon's the 195 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: best running back in the division, the best running back 196 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: in the division. Give him the football, put it in 197 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: his belly, throw it to him, give it to him 198 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: in space. Utilize that talent. Then it's a hell of 199 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: a lot easier to pass protect when you have Joe 200 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: Mixon doing his thing, then pass protection becomes less of 201 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: an issue. There's in my mind, there's no question about it. 202 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: I think I think that they self inflicted issues with 203 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: play selection. Not to say that the defense, you know, 204 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: hasn't been bringing pressures and doing the things they're doing, 205 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: but the Bankers are exhaust abating the problem with their 206 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: play selection. The Chiefs scored forty points last week and 207 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: lost forty three forty at New England. If the Bengals 208 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: are going to upset Kansas City on Sunday night, will 209 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: it have to be like the Atlanta game where they 210 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: score at least thirty Yeah, And I think I think 211 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: it's going to be who has the ball last? And 212 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: if you don't have the ball last, you better allow 213 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: Mahomes only five seconds with the football. I mean, clock 214 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: management's going to be big. It was an issue in 215 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: my opinion. You know, letting Roethlisburg get the ball back 216 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: didn't even make Pittsburgh burn time outs. You know, snap 217 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: the ball on the play clock with like seventeen seconds 218 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: twenty two seconds. And I don't care where you are 219 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: on the football field. In this day and age in 220 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: the NFL, offenses is so explosive. I don't care if 221 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: you're on your side of the field or their side 222 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: of the field. You have to start burning clock at 223 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: the end. You have to treat two minute drills like 224 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: four minute drills. You know, take all the clock and 225 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: try to score points. I mean, it's unfortunate offenses have 226 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: to think that big picture, but you do. And that's 227 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be the case in this 228 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: football game. I think you have to be really really 229 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: smart with your clock management, Mahomes and try to, you know, 230 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: try to his time of possession is going to be big. 231 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: Limiting his possession number is going to be big. In 232 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: the Kansas City defensive football teams, you know, not that good. 233 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: They're thirty second in the league, dead last in yards 234 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: allowed per game, first downs allowed per game. They're twenty 235 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: seventh in scoring. They give up five point four yards 236 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: on the ground per rush, thirty first in the NFL. 237 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: Let Joe Mixon carry the football. Don't don't throw at 238 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: forty times and run at fifteen or something like that. 239 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: Don't do that. The Bengals threw the ball on first 240 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: down twenty seven times and ran it twice last week 241 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: against the Pittsburgh Steelers. What what And on one of 242 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: those first downs, Joe Mixon runs, he broke, He busted 243 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: one for thirteen yards. Give Joe mix In the football, 244 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: get it in his hands either out of the backfield 245 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: throwing it, or let him run the football. You have 246 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: to minimize opportunities for a guy's explosive is Patrick at 247 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: Holmes period. You just have to do it. And there's 248 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of game management game within 249 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: the game of game management stuff in this one, because 250 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: both of these offenses are so dynamic. Prior to last 251 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: year's draft, the Kansas City Chiefs made a trade to 252 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: select a player they didn't really need. They already had 253 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: a decent quarterback in Alex Smith, but they gave up 254 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: two first round picks and a third round pick to 255 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: move up from the twenty seventh pick to the tenth 256 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: pick in order to take quarterback Patrick Mahomes. It looks 257 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: brilliant now. He leads the NFL with eighteen touchdown passes 258 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: in six games and only four interceptions, and that ratio 259 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: of plus fourteen is the best in the NFL as well, 260 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: So he's not putting the ball in jeopardy very often. 261 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: It goes back to college. Cliff Kingsbury, who played quarterback 262 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: in Texas Tech, recruited Patrick Mahomes to play quarterback. Baker 263 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: Mayfield was a starting quarterback the year before he opened 264 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: up the quarterback competition. Baker Mayfield saw Patrick Mahomes and 265 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: transferred to Oklahoma. He knew what kind of arm talent 266 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: that guy had. As it turns out, they both end 267 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: up being number one draft picks. Baker Mayfield ends up 268 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: being the first pick of the draft, so it worked 269 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: out for both guys. But that just tells you Baker 270 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: Mayfield is an uber competitor, and Baker Mayfield said, no Moss. 271 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has a howards are hanging off their right 272 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: shoulder and he's gonna be the guy. And Patrick Mahomes 273 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: is used to play in offense with a defense that stinks. 274 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Texas Tech never had a defense. Kansas City's 275 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: defense is struggling this year. Patrick Mahomes has used to 276 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: that that's another day at the office for him. He 277 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: just likes to get and shootouts and I'll score you anyway. 278 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: Last thing. Patrick Mahomes has one of the strongest arms 279 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: in NFL history. You can see workout video on YouTube. 280 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: Where he throws it upwards of seventy five yards. He 281 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: threw the ball sixty miles an hour at the NFL 282 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: scouting Combine, which is one of the hardest readings they've 283 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: or recorded. Here's my question for you. Give me the 284 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: best arm you ever saw back in your playing days, 285 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: and then secondly, the best arm and a guy that 286 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: didn't make it, Terry Bradshaw. I saw when I was 287 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: doing a game with NBC Bradshaw and this is at 288 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: the end of his career. Now he's not the young 289 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: spry Terry Bradshaw, so he might have been able to 290 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: throw one hundred yards because I saw him taking one 291 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: step to the goal line and throw the ball to 292 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: the opposite ten yard line nine yards in the air. 293 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: And it wasn't more than ten feet off the ground. 294 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't like a big parabola. You know, he just 295 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it was unbelievable. And I knew he had 296 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: a strong arm because I remember our defensive backs when 297 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: we played the Steelers, They're like, man, we're all the Lenza. 298 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: I can't believe he threw that ball. I mean, no 299 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: quarterback throws that ball with that kind of coverage, And 300 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: that's what defensive backs around the league is saying about Mahomes. 301 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: I can't believe he took that chance. I can't believe 302 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: he threw that ball. That's what they said about Brett Farr. 303 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: That's what they said about John Elway. The guy, though 304 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: to Dan that I saw at college at the college level, 305 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: guy named Michael Bishop played at Kansas State, and he 306 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: was a great runner as well as a thrower, a 307 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: physical specimen. But he could rip it. I mean he 308 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: could throw the ball seventy five yards on a frozen rope, 309 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: but not in any tight windows. I mean, forget portholes. 310 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: He was thrown to the whole cruise ship. It might 311 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: not hit the cruise ship. He couldn't put the beach 312 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: ball in the ocean, man, he couldn't hit the ocean 313 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: with the beach ball, but he could throw the crap 314 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: out of it. I mean, man, it had some RPMs. 315 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: You know, you're standing there and listening when quarterbacks throw 316 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: the ball like that, you hear the laces like it's 317 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: like that's when you know, wow, man, this guy, this 318 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: guy's ripping that pigskin. Thanks lap, Patrick, Mahomes has treated 319 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: football fans to some great highlights this year, like that 320 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: left handed pass he threw against Denver, but some of 321 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: his best video can be found on workout videos on 322 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: YouTube leading up to lad year's draft. For example, in 323 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: one video, Mahomes throws a football sixty five yards from 324 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: his knees. Bengals linebacker Jordan Evans knows all about Mahomes. 325 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: He was on the opposite side of the field four 326 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: Oklahoma when Mahomes through for seven hundred thirty four yards 327 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: in a game two years ago. Inside the locker room 328 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: with Bengals linebacker Jordan Evans, how quickly do you bounce 329 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: back from a tough loss? Oh, you gotta bounce back 330 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: the next day. I mean, you don't want to hang 331 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: your head too too long on it. So he's got 332 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: to learn from your mistakes, watch the film, and then 333 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: you know you got to gain the next week. So 334 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: it's time to prepare for that twenty four hour old. Yeah, 335 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: basically that's what it is. Looks like the Bengals are 336 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: going to be without linebacker Nick Vigil this week, so 337 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: obviously the other linebackers are going to have an increased 338 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: opportunity and need to step up. And you're one of 339 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, we always gotta be ready. You know, 340 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: we had problems like this last year when guys got injured, 341 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: and you know, this show job as a pro and 342 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: as a teammate to always be ready, especially when your 343 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: numbs calls squat and performing to highs. Love talking to 344 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Jordan Evans. For the last seven years, Sunday Night Football 345 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: has been the highest rated show on TV and average 346 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: of eighteen million people watching, including your peers. When you 347 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: got the word that this game is being flexed, what 348 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: was your reaction. I mean, it's cool, you know, it's 349 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: it's always cool to go out there and playing, you know, 350 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 1: and obviously for me back home, you know, a lot 351 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: of film you're gonna get to watch. But I mean 352 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: it's still it's still got a game that you gotta 353 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: go out there and win. Kind of a whole hum 354 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: reaction on your part. I thought you, I thought you'd 355 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: be effusive and excited. Oh, I'm obviously, I'm always excited. 356 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: I'm excited it is a one o'clock game, or if 357 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: it's the prime time Monday night football game or sending 358 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: that game. It doesn't I mean, it's I'm excited it 359 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: for any game. You just I don't want to get 360 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, and can't get over excited that. You know 361 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: that your emotions take control. So but I mean, I'm 362 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: alway excited as to my family be able to get 363 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: to watch. I hear you. You You gotta be excited every week, 364 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: regardless of game time. I agree with you on that. 365 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Patrick Mahomes. You saw this guy in 366 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: college when you were at Oklahoma and he was a 367 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: Texas tech. What stands out, man, It's just he can 368 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: I don't know, he does it all for Like, like 369 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: I said, I knew. I always say that he was 370 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: one of the best guys that I played against in 371 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: college because I saw what he was doing. And obviously 372 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: you go back with that game he tore us up. 373 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, you know he his arm is phenomenal. 374 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: He makes plays off his feet and just you know, 375 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: he's he's got that offense out there rolling and he 376 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: obviously has a lot of great skill guys on helping 377 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: him out. The game you are referring to, you won, 378 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: Okama scored sixty six points, but he threw at eighty 379 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: eight times. Yeah, yeah, that was a crazy game. I 380 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: only like going back to watch the film. But you know, 381 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 1: shout out to Bacon, Joe and the offensive guys out there, 382 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: Oh you for holding it down for us and getting 383 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: that win back on back a couple of years back. 384 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: All Right, one of the challenges for the Bengals linebackers 385 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: this week we tight end Travis Kelsey, whether it's covering 386 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: him or tackling him. How big of a key is 387 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: that to this game? Yeah? If you you know, he's won. 388 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: He's like the best tight end in the are one 389 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: of the best tight ends in the NFL. He does 390 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: it all. Good blocker, great routes, right hands. So yeah, 391 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: he's definitely a great player. Going to be you know, 392 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: key then on him and try to limit Hill as 393 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: much as we can, Jordan, you get a lot of 394 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: special team snaps as well. They have Tyreek Hill returning punts, 395 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: one of the fastest guys, if not the fastest guy 396 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: in the NFL. How do you handle him in that 397 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: phase of the game. Yeah, you gotta bottle them up obviously, 398 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: do our best to you know, get down there, have 399 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 1: great coverage and you know, Shanna just keep him limited. 400 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: But you know, I had a look glimpse of that 401 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: too my sophomore year college. You returned to kick on 402 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: us to beat us when he was at OSU, So 403 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, he's definitely a very explosive player back there. 404 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: So it's gotta go out there and just go play ball. 405 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: The Cheetah. Is he the fastest guy you've ever seen 406 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: on a football field? Um? Yeah, I mean I can remember. 407 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: He's crazy fans, So yeah he was. He was moving 408 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: back then. All right. Last thing, Kansas City Chief's offense 409 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: is averaging about thirty six points a game. Do you 410 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: relish the opportunity with everybody watching to show what the 411 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: Bengals defense can do? Oh? Of course, you know you 412 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: always want to go out there make a statement. But 413 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: you know it's the biggest thing is it's just competitian, 414 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, So you know, we're always excited to go 415 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: compete every single one of us on the defensive side. 416 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: So you know, we know that they're gonna, you know, 417 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: make plays, and that's just that's just what it is. 418 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: That's how supposed to their offenses. But obviously, you know 419 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: we can try to keep keep them down. We know 420 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: offense is going to go out there and do what 421 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: they're supposed to do, so it should be fun, appreciate 422 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: your time. Best to luck this week. Appreciate With Nick 423 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: vigil out, it'll be interesting to see how much playing 424 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: time Evans gets this week. His speed and coverage ability 425 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: could be needed against Travis Kelsey. Now time for this 426 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: week's Know the Faux segment and to learn more about 427 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Nate Taylor from the Athletic KC joined lapping 428 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: me on the Bengals Game Plan Show. Let's start with 429 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. We all see the physical talent. He has 430 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: been fantastic so far this year. Tell us what else 431 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: has impressed you aside from that great right arm. Yeah, well, 432 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: it's honestly everything because of it's just mental acumens. The 433 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: fact that he had learning from Alex Smith has just 434 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: been immense and you can see it um in particular 435 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: when the Chiefs don't score points. So when they have 436 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: sort of a mishap, which of course we saw Sunday 437 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: night against the Patriots. You know, Bill Belichick has a 438 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: very good game plan. Um leaves Patrick early in the game, 439 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: and then he kind of forces another interception late in 440 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: the second half, and then he comes back out and 441 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: acts as if he's not playing the Patriots in chill 442 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: that stadium on Sunday Night football when obviously there's a 443 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: lot of playoff implications involved, and goes out and throws 444 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: four touchdowns and really shreds the Patriots defense that had 445 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: the Chiefs had the ball last I think many people, 446 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: including me, would suggesst that they would have won the game. Um, 447 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: So he leaves the league in touchdowns. He's an early 448 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: leading MVP candidate, but he is mental ability to move 449 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: on to the next play, to rarely recognize it, just 450 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, dissect defenses and then it just rally is 451 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: his teammates. I mean, this is a first year play 452 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: who's gotten the confidence and the faith from everyone in 453 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: that locker room, and that's things find a lot for 454 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: a guy who's twenty three years though, you know, trying 455 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: to lead men who were already successful with a veteran 456 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: quarterback in Alex fith Andy Reid, when he was talking 457 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: to the Cincinnati media earlier today, asked him about the 458 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: mental acumen of Mahomes and he said, Hey, Alex Smith 459 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: is the smartest quarterback I've ever worked with. And we've 460 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: moved on from Alex Smith where you have not dumbed 461 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: it down one bit for Mahomes and Mahomes is just 462 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: equally as intelligent. And you know, obviously he has more 463 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: more physical ability than Alex Smith did. And uh so 464 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: you know he he was giving him a lot of 465 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: platitudes and rightfully so when you talk about how he 466 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: can lead a team when you're when you can make 467 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: plays like he can and you can endanger a defense 468 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: every inch of the football field, man, that's leadership. Man. 469 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: You know, talking's one talking, The talks one thing. But 470 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: when you can walk the walk like Patris the Holmes 471 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: walks the walk. Who that's a proud peacock walking right there. 472 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: I mean that guy. People people fall on line around him. 473 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: Do they gravitate toward him like he is the man? Yeah? Yeah. 474 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: And one of the moments that I thought was truly 475 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: um telling and almost inspirational, sort of the senses that 476 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: you know, again, this is Andy Eve. This is like 477 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: one of the best offensive innovative coaches in the league. Um, 478 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: you have a team that has plenty of veterans and 479 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: skill talent with Travis Kelsey and you have so many 480 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: valuable guys on defense. Sign up. Eric Berry isn't playing, 481 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: but you still have justin Houston DeFord, as a merger, 482 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: as a as a leading defensive you know, most improved 483 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: defensive player candidate for the year. In the time of 484 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: one started. None of those guys gave the pregame get hyped, 485 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: leads them up to the field speech. When the Chiefs 486 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: played on Monday Night football in Denver, it was Patrick Mahomes. 487 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: It was just twenty three year old kid, honestly being like, 488 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: let show the world how good we are. And then 489 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: of course he has arguably his best game of his 490 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: young career, leading the Chiefs back from a two point 491 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: Dava said against the Broncos. You know, on the road, 492 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: in a hostile environment. He gets a division opponent on 493 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 1: one of the biggest stages. That's the regular Chiefs can 494 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: prevent you. So it's not just that he's physically talented 495 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: and has the mental ability and can retain just a 496 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: ton of information for such a young age. It's that 497 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: the guys have around him have give him you have 498 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: really given him the opportunity to lead, to have a voice. 499 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: And then he's taken upon himself to use his voice, 500 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: to use his leadership, to do it on his particular way, 501 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: in his particular style. And it's led to the success. 502 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: And it's undeniable really, just the infectious nature he has 503 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: on that locker room, because you can look back to 504 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: last year and you can say, well, Alex Smith is 505 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: a veteran. He can get these guys pretty four. But 506 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: there's no doubt, there's full faith that if this guy 507 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: thinks healthy, if this guy keeps getting better, if he 508 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: keeps someone off this crazy arm. Um, they haven't mean 509 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Is it out of question? Um? And 510 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: that's what I think most Chiefs the AFC are starting 511 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: to deal with, you know, the Patriots and now the 512 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: Mingles included. Dave Taylor covers the Chiefs for the athletic 513 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City. Let's talk about Kansas City's defense, currently last 514 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: in the NFL and yards allowed four sixty eight games. 515 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: Although the fact that they score so much has something 516 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: to do with that. Chiefs also nothing up about twenty 517 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: nine points a game. Where is the defense okay? And 518 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: where is it weak? Yeah? That's a really good question, um. 519 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: And the way I try to explain it to people 520 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: is that Bob stud and the Chiefs is you know, 521 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: respected to pencil coordinator, Like the dude doesn't care about yards. 522 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: He basically said to me in the one on one 523 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: interview that yards are misleading. So what really matters to 524 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: the Chiefs defense. It's choses, it's third down efficiency. Would say, 525 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: we're not good at last Sunday gets the Patriots, but 526 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: they've been, you know, pretty good overall this season. Like 527 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: when when the Chiefs gets you in the third one situation, 528 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: they usually get off the field, which is the only 529 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: time they've been successful. The other reason that Bond, Sudden 530 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: and Hosts defense will get better is if they create 531 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: more turnovers. The more they do that, the better chance 532 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: they have of building these big leaves in the first 533 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: quarter that they could squeeze you out for the rest 534 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: of the game. That didn't happen against New England. New 535 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: England sort of flip the script. They got the early 536 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: turn onovers, they got to go their league, and then 537 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: the Chiefs had to play come back from most of 538 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: the second half. That's how the Chiefs recipe for successes. Fan. 539 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: If you're a Beingals fan, they let Patrick Mahomes really 540 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: scheme you up for the first fifteen to twenty plays. 541 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: They get a lead, and then the defense is hoping 542 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: that they either get a third down stop or a 543 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: turnover early in the first half to sort of make 544 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: it a two score game, which in many cases, or 545 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: at least the first five game, those leads are sort 546 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: of insurmountable for opponents. So if you're a Beingals fan, 547 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: you want to do what New England did. Convert a 548 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: decent amount of your third downs, don't commit penalties, don't 549 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: commit turnovers, then you should have a chance to win 550 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: the game. Late. Know, it's interesting what you say. The 551 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: Chiefs defensively last in the NFL. On first down give 552 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: up seven point one five yards of her play, but 553 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: on third down, you know, they're six in the league 554 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: thirty three point eight, little over a third of the 555 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: conversions allowed. So that usually first down failure usually leads 556 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: to third down failure, and it doesn't in this case, 557 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: So it is it's kind of odd. What what did? 558 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 1: What did? The loss of Derek Johnson, Tomahale, Marcus Peters 559 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: of course wasache, but Marcus Peters goes when you lose 560 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: three guys like that, um, you know on the in 561 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: the middle and back end of your defense. How big 562 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: of an adjustment has that been for Sutton and company? Yeah, 563 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: it's been huge, honestly, And look, people in Kansas City 564 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: were kind of high and low and Marcus Peters they 565 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: had kind of gone tired of his antics. But I 566 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: will tell you this, Marcus Peters to take the ball away, 567 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: he could you know, cover half the field, um nine 568 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: of He's been injured with with you know, with the 569 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: Rams this year, and unfortunately Dirt Johnson has you know, 570 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: he's over the hill. He's what thirty five going on 571 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: thirty six. I know the Raiders just cut him. But 572 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: he was the Chiefs all time leadings hackler in franchise history. 573 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: Like he was a guy that you could rely on 574 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: in the middle. And so what you're seeing is a 575 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: collection of young guys coming in in their rookie deals 576 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: and understands. The Chiefs tract that five players on defense 577 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: this past April with a mix of other veterans from 578 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: other teams tour Tranceler Bob Sutton system, and it just 579 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: hasn't been the best blending that you would want in 580 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: this new kind of revamped, remodel defense. And unfortunately, you know, 581 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to seeing what Eric Burry 582 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: could do with an even bigger leadership role now that 583 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: Derek Johnson had left, Now that there were new guys 584 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: on the team, and we haven't seen him practice since 585 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: August eleventh because of this achilles injury that has continued 586 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: to nack him. You know, he had it last year. 587 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: He has not played yet a practice yet in this 588 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: regular season. We don't We're not sure when he's going 589 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: to return. He's sort of on this week to week basis. 590 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: But if you don't have your best player, Eric Berry, 591 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: and if your second Miss Slayer and Justin Houston is 592 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: going through a hamstring injury and needed not practice today, 593 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: so it's unclear field placed Sunday Without those two guys, 594 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: it gives opponents a lot of holes to sort of 595 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: attack the defense. And again, unless you get turnovers or 596 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: unless you're in some third and long situations, most of 597 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: the time the advantage has been to the opposing offense. Finally, 598 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: appreciate the time that you're carved out for us here 599 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: and Nate, we really do. But yeah, we talked, we 600 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: talked to offense, we talked defense. Let's talk about the 601 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: all important third phase, which could be big in a 602 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: game like this. This special teams group, I mean they're 603 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: number one in both punt returns and punt coverage. Their 604 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: number four and kickoff returns number five covering kicks. That's 605 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: the that's the units. Their punter in their place kicker 606 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: are amongst the best in the NFL. I mean right, 607 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: that is one hilacious group. How good have the special 608 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: teams been and how much time do they give to 609 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: special teams? Well, that's a great question, and I think 610 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: they're the best special teams unit in the AFC. So 611 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: think about it from this respective, guys. The first time 612 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: the Chiefs touched the ball on offense this year was 613 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: on a punt return, and Tyree Hill took it to 614 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: the house. Their second touch in the excuse their first 615 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: touch in the second game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. The 616 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Thomas takes the punt eight yards sets up an 617 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: easy touchdown for Patrick Holds. That's how the Chiefs got 618 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: these early leads early on in the season. Thou teams 619 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: don't punt the Tyree Hill for obvious raisins to get 620 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: for Dave To, who's an excellent you know specialty's cordinator 621 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: does Oh, I'm going to take a six rounds draft 622 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: pick in Traymon Smith. Plug him in on Sunday Night 623 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: Football for his first real game. Actions. He's gonna return 624 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: a kickoff ninety seven yards to set up another easy 625 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: touchdown right for Patrick Ball to try the game? Are 626 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: you going to get the Chiefs closer to the game 627 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: to the Patriots? Harrison Bucker has not miss Philo this year. 628 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: Think about that, he's given all the calamity that's gone 629 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: on the rest of the league with fieldball kickers making 630 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: cars be you know, most notably, and then Justin kolchwis 631 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: in his fourteenth year, and it looks like he's in 632 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: his seven because he still looks like he's in his 633 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: crime and he's still punching people deep into you know, 634 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: inside the twenty or cornering them. And because the Chiefs 635 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: are so good at net yard and or coverage, you 636 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: don't really get a big explusive play yourself. There's not 637 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: really an opportunity for you to return a kick or 638 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: a punt the way you would like to. So you're 639 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: right when you make this point that the Chiefs have 640 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: won games only with Patrick Mahomes. But they've they've either 641 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: given their defense the length of the field to trying 642 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: to defend, to do the whope and don't break sort 643 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: of style, and they've also created these dynamic plays that 644 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: the field gets shrunken for this already highly fussive offense. 645 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: So if you're if you're look, you know, Beagles do 646 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: your best because even teams like the Steelers and even 647 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: things like the Patriots and we all considered to be 648 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: one of the top two teams in the conference, they 649 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: struggled to keep this chief special teams from making an 650 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: impact on the game. All right, thanks to Nate Taylor, 651 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: And that's going to do it for this episode of 652 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: the podcast. If you haven't done so already, don't forget 653 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, or pod Bean. And if 654 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: you have a minute, please give it a five star 655 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: rating or leave a comment. Your feedback has been great 656 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: and those five star ratings help more Bengals fans find 657 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: this podcast. I'm Dan Horde and thank you for listening 658 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: to The Bengals Booth podcast