1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours. Brand 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: new surveillance footage has been released from a local hotel 3 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: showing the warden slash lover strutting back and forth and 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: back and forth in a hotel lobby the very same day, 5 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: within hours of her springing A killer and I mean 6 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: a stone cold killer, I mean Nancy Grace. This is 7 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 8 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Fox Nation in series XM one eleven. First of all, 9 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at W A A 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: Y thirty one. We start with new details in the 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: nationwide man hunt for an escape Lauderdale County inmates and 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: corrections a supervisor who the Sheriff's office says helped him. 13 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Take a look at your screen now. This is new 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: video from the Lauderdale A Sheriff's Office. It shows former 15 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: corrections supervisor of Vicky White. You can see her right 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: there moving around on the screen. She was checking out 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: of the quality in in Florence in this video. This 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: is the same day she disappeared with capital murder suspect 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: Casey White. The hotel is located near with a pair 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: got into their getaway vehicle. The car was found in Tennessee, 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: just south of Nashville. Wow, so many questions with me 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: an all star panel, But the first person I want 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: to go to is special guest Sheriff Rick Singleton, the 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: Laudererdale County Sheriff. Sheriff, thank you for being with us. Sheriff. 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: A couple of quick things based on what we just heard. 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: Where the car was found in Florence, that is north 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: of Lauderdale County. Well, Florence is actually the county seat 28 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: of Lauderdale County. The car was found in Betheza, Tennessee, 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: which is about a two hour drive north of Florence. Okay, 30 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: well you know what I got that half right? Hold on, 31 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: So that was in Bethesda and you're saying it's two 32 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: hours north, correct? Yes? Man? Would that suggest to you, Sheriff, 33 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: that they are in fact headed north, because no way 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: would they go two hours north and then turned back 35 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: and circle back down. Let's just say to get lost 36 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: in Florida. They're definitely traveling north. Wouldn't you agree with that? 37 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: That that's the indication from where the car was found. 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: We do not know how they left that area, you know, 39 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: where the car was abandoned. If they hitched the ride, 40 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: if they stolen another vehicle through our knowledge, we haven't 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: gotten any reports were stolen vehicles in the area. If 42 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: they had a second car, you know, we're just not sure. 43 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: We're sort of back square one on I want to 44 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: talk to you about those theories, Sheriff. First, let me 45 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: just used the rest of our panel. Joining me front 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: WAAY TV multi media journalist Xavier Wery has been on 47 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: the case in the very beginning twenty seven in years 48 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: with the FBI. Bobby Chicone now producer, writer of original 49 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: series After the Fall. Karen Stark Renown, a New York psychologist, 50 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: joining us from Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. James 51 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Shellnutt twenty seven years metro major case now lawyer at 52 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: the Shellnutt Law Firm dot com. A very special guest 53 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: in joining us. Austin Williams is here today. Austin's mother, Connie, 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: was murdered by the guy that has just been sprung 55 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: by Vicky White. Casey White no relation, admitted he murdered 56 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: Austin's mom. Now we're focusing a lot on where the 57 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: car is, where they are, what are they driving, what 58 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: do they look like right now? How did it happen. 59 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: What went wrong? Think about this? You know where I 60 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: was yesterday? I was with my children. It was incredible. 61 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: You know who else was with us? My mother? But 62 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: Austin couldn't be with his mother because his mother was 63 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: murdered by this guy. Sheriff, I want to follow up. 64 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: Bobby Chicon, James Shelnutt, everybody, Xavier jump in. Remember this 65 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: is no tea party at High Grove. I want to 66 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: hear every bit of information I can hear. Let's analyze 67 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: what you just said, Sheriff, Rick Singleton. You said they 68 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: either walked away from the car. They either hitched your ride, 69 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: or they had another car ready. I want to analyze 70 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: did they have another car ready? First question, Sheriff, why 71 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: did they ditch the car? Did they have car trouble? Well, 72 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: we're still not certain that that was the issue. The 73 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: car was abandoned in a rural area on a county 74 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: road where it would obviously be seen and it would 75 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: be reported. So you know, it's either one of two things. 76 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: Either even the vehicle there to throw us all, or 77 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: they had car trouble. I've not heard from the investigators 78 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: if they checked the mechanics of the car. It appeared 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: from one photo I've seen, and I've not personally seen 80 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: the car. It is being brought back here to Florence 81 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: this morning. It appeared to had a flat tire, but 82 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. But I will certainly have 83 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: my investigators let me know asson we can get a 84 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: definite determination. Okay, let's figure that out. Chacone, you're hearing 85 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: what Sheer Singleton is saying. Here's my thinking. They tried 86 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: to spree paint the car green. All right, so we 87 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: know that they had a plan. They were going to 88 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: paint the car green. For some reason, they gave up 89 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: on that plan. If they were going to repaint the 90 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: car green, why would they have had a second vehicle? 91 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: That rules out thinking of a second vehicle getaway. On 92 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: the other hand, they left the car, the getaway car, 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: in a very obvious spot where it would be sane. 94 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: That would suggest what to you that they did have 95 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: a second vehicle. What's your prevailing train of thought, Bobby, Yeah, 96 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: I think that. I think you're right. I don't think 97 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: if they had a plan. B In other words, I 98 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: think they had a plan. Something went awry with the 99 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: plan painting the car. Whatever stopped them from doing completing that. 100 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: And now I'd be looking at any other ways that 101 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: they could have left that area, because you know, if 102 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: they could have had a second car. All of this 103 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: is still up in the air. But the way things 104 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: look right now, that they had their plan in place, 105 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: they were in the process of executing their plan when 106 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: something else interrupted them. In other words, if they would 107 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: have completed the painting of the car and they ditched 108 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: the cars and worlds, it was completely maybe that's part 109 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: of the plan. But this partial attempt at painting the 110 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: car not being completed leads me to believe that that 111 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: was part of the plan, paint the car and get 112 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: away with the new collar. And so I think they 113 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: were either into there are somehow had to abandon that plan. 114 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: Whether they had a plan B or a plan C, 115 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I doubt that they did. Well. Hold 116 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: on just a second, Shkohn, what about this this woman 117 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: Vicky White, Karen Stark. Have you seen remember Robert Blake? 118 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: Can we just talk about him for a moment. He 119 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: murdered his wife, Bonnie Lee Bakley. Remember all the lists 120 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: that he and his cohorts had. They had very very 121 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: inchcate lists of what they were going to buy, line 122 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: by a shovel, do this, do that? In this case, 123 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: Vicky White made elaborate plans and sheriff correct me if 124 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. She planned down to the day of her retirement. 125 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: She sold her home ahead of time. She withdrew ninety 126 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars cash from multiple banks. She stayed in a 127 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: hotel the night before. She bought the getaway car under 128 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: an assumed name, I think with cash. She parked that 129 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: car in a shopping center. She had a part in 130 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: a spot where it would not be observed by surveillance video. 131 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: She had everything planned. She'd been talking to her co 132 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: workers about her retirement, that she was going to go 133 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: to sit on a beach somewhere. Everything was carefully planned. 134 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: So why wouldn't there be a plan b Karen start, well, 135 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm hearing what everyone had to say. Nancy. It seems 136 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: to me, I mean, this is a very shrewd woman. 137 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: She could have been working on this, I suspect for 138 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: years and so there had to be some kind of 139 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: a backup plan. If to me, if she painted it, 140 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: they planned to paint it, they had a flat high 141 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: or something happened. They have no doubt they found another 142 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: vehicle build as they did something that got them to 143 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: be able to try. Do you think they had a 144 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: plan B? Just boil it down for me, Okay, because 145 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm just a JD. You're the shrink. Plan B or 146 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: no plan B? Very simple? Yes, Yes, you think there 147 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: was a plan B. Okay, Sheriff Singleton. You know what 148 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: else I think was planned? Something that his mother said, 149 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: how she's talking about how he's really not a bad guy. Okay, 150 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: bs on that she said, Sheriff, Oh, he didn't kill 151 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: that woman. He just confessed to it so he could 152 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: get brought back to the local jail. So I'm wondering 153 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: how long this plan had been in the works. Did 154 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: he of course he killed Austin's mother, we know that. 155 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: But did he give the confession in order to get 156 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: back to the local jail to hook back up with 157 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: Vicky White? What do you think about that? Well? I 158 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: know that that theory is out there. I don't I 159 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: know that he confessed to the homicide of Connie Ridgeway 160 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: and he was facing charges for that. Uh some other 161 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: things about how calculating Vicky White was in this plan. 162 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: We also know now that prior to the escape that 163 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: she was shopping for clothes, uh, men's clothes and a 164 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: local clothing store. She also shopped in at an adult store. 165 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: And uh, you know the the thing about the abandoned car, 166 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: You know, the thing that questioned me if they were 167 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: going to abandon it for a plan B, why would 168 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: they rift driving it for two hours? I guess assuming 169 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: we might get a identification on the car sooner. Uh, 170 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: it looked like they would have dished it a little closer. 171 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: But uh, there's still a lot of questions to be 172 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: answered concerning uh, you know, the car and where it 173 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: was abandoned and where how they left that area. We're 174 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: looking at every possible scenario to try to determine that 175 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace Sheriff. You said that she 176 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: had been shopping from men's clothing ahead of the bust, right, yes, ma'am. 177 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: Now I think that's where that Rumors circulating that they 178 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: stopped at some adult I guess the sex story shop. 179 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: But that was before she sprung him, right, yes, ma'am. 180 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: That was then the bay's leading up through the escape. Wow, 181 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: you're doing a lot of backgroundwork. What about where she 182 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: parted the getaway car Sheriff, was it in a spot 183 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: in that shopping center where video would not catch it? Well, 184 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: it was. It was a very obvious spot. It was 185 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: right on the out of one of the busiest streetcare 186 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: in Florence we cover there was that there are several 187 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: other cars parked there that are for sale, older car 188 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: and so it's sort of blended in because it's a 189 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: low profile car as far as the light bar on 190 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: it and so forth. It's a forward carus uh, sin's 191 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: a little lower and uh, you know, it didn't just 192 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: stand out, uh you know at someone. It wasn't. It 193 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: wasn't like a big suv or something. But what I'm 194 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: getting at, Sheriff is if you could see it on video, 195 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: couldn't you see him? I mean, couldn't you see them 196 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: getting into the car? No? Man there. There was no 197 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: video footage in the shop in the area that that 198 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: depicted that. But there again, that's another reason I think 199 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: she chose this location because we did have a witness 200 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: who saw the getaway car there the night before. I 201 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: actually looked at it. He was looking at the car 202 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: that were for sale there, and he looked at that 203 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: specific car and went around the front of the number 204 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: to call about it, and there was no for sale sign, 205 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: no phone number on it. He thought that was odd 206 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: being it was parked there among other cars for sale, 207 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: and Sheriff, it didn't already have the gre paint on 208 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: it at that time, did it? Nod did not have 209 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: the pain on it? Gotcha? Okay, you know, I want 210 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: to one more thing, Sheriff before I go to Austin 211 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: and Xavier wary Sheriff, what about his medication? Is it 212 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: medication that he has to have refilled? He is on 213 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: medication and uh, you know, there's no medication taken with 214 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: them to our knowledge. I don't know. I'm not that 215 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: familiar with his specific situation concerning his his uh medical needs, 216 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: but I do know that I've been told that he 217 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: can get pretty violent if he's not on his mids. 218 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if it's anything that he's gonna have 219 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: to get, like is he diabetic? Does he have a 220 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: heart problem? Is there something he has to take they're 221 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: gonna have to stop and get somehow or is she 222 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: that get that pre ordered as well? I want to 223 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: go now to Austin Williams. This is Connie Ridgeway's son, 224 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: Connie was murdered ten twenty three, fifteen October twenty third, 225 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Austin. When you heard that this guy, Casey 226 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: White had been sprung from jail, first of all, tell 227 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: me about it. What happened. I was completely shocked, and 228 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: the District Trainey's office was good enough to call myself 229 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: and my brother before the news broke. So I was 230 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: just kind of in a state of shock, not having 231 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: any details, and now the details came out to me, 232 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: it simply was getting worse and worse. How's your family 233 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: holding up. We're holding up the best we can. It's 234 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: just it's just a stressful time, and we got a 235 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: birthdays going on and Mother's Day weekend, and it's just 236 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: kind of on top of all that, she's really kind 237 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: of a trying time. Also. Do you remember when you 238 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: learned your mother had been killed? Yeah? I remember it 239 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: was yesterday. My brother had called me and said that 240 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: she was counting her apartment with blood on her. At 241 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: that point, I mean, I knew it was really bad, 242 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't tell me that she'd been murdered because 243 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: I was being dropping from Atlanta, so they wouldn't be 244 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: the best shape possible. But I knew something. He was 245 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: really bad. They told you what that she was in 246 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: her apartment and had blood on her. My brother called 247 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: me and said that she was found in her apartment 248 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: with blood on her. Of course that doesn't sound right, right, 249 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: So I was really worried, you know, Austin. I still 250 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: remember when I learned my fiance been murdered. It's just 251 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: like a horrible blur. But then I also remember, by 252 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: this time, I was in New York working at Court TV, 253 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: and I got a I'd come off the air, sat 254 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: down at my desk, started working, started reading email, and someone, 255 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: a viewer, had sent me an email that Keith Murderer 256 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: had been paroled. I had no idea. Nobody told me 257 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: ahead of time he was out. I had no idea 258 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: how long it had been out. And I will still 259 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: remember that coming over me. It's like a physical sensation. 260 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: I cannot even imagine how you felt when the DA's 261 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: office called, And God bless them for calling and letting 262 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: you know before the whole world knew about it. Xavier 263 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Weary joining me from Waay TV. Xavier, thanks for being 264 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: with us. Tell me the very latest. Yeah, So, I mean, really, 265 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: after speaking with Sheriff Singleton. We're still just trying to 266 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: make sure that we push out the facts right, and 267 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: the facts that we really don't know where they are. Again, 268 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,119 Speaker 1: we know that the car was last located in Williamson County, Tennessee, 269 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: a week after they actually ditched the vehicle. So I 270 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: spoke with someone from the US Marshal Services and they 271 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: told me that, you know, although it is a week later, 272 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: they are glad that they now have a sense of 273 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: direction as to where they are. But again, they could 274 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: really be going anywhere at this moment in time. Hey, 275 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: Sheriff Rick Singleton joining me, the elected sheriff in Lauderdale County, Sheriff, 276 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: how far is it from where their escape vehicle, the 277 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: four Taurus Orange four Taurus was abandoned to a major 278 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: interstate It was within about three miles of last sixty five, 279 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: just south of Nashville, Franklin, Tennessee. Oh my goodness, just 280 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: south of Nashville or Franklin about Okay, Yeah, I think 281 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: I know what happened, Nancy Champion. But the interesting thing is, 282 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: for the last nine months I've been dropping through but 283 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: as THEO for a collect I was working on to 284 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: a spring Hills. I'm very familiar with that kind of 285 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: like with that route. It's a very rural area, but 286 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: it is close to the interstate spring Hill. So what 287 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: interstate was it? Sheriff sixty five and that's just three 288 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: miles south of Nashville and Franklin. It was three three 289 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: miles east of sixty five. It's about twenty miles south 290 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: of Nashville. Where will I sixty five take you, Sheriff? 291 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: If you follow it, where will it go? I sixty 292 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: five originates in Mobile, Alabama on the southern end, and 293 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: it goes into Chicago. Okay, I'm learning a lot right now. 294 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: So here we go I sixty five, three miles from 295 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: I sixty five or where they dumped that car? He says. 296 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: The sheriff tells us it looks like it had a 297 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: flat and trying to work the car over and see 298 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: if there was any other problem. It was not spray 299 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: painted green before it was left. They did that, So 300 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: what is their thinking? Where will they go to you? 301 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone joining me twenty seven years FBI agent. If 302 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: they only had three miles to walk, and this is 303 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: in a rural area, they could stay under the cover 304 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: of trees, you gotta get I would get knines out 305 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: there to follow their sense to see which way they 306 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: were going, but obviously toward that interstate eight sixty five. 307 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: Once they get sixty five, anybody could have picked him up. 308 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you're right there at Nashville and Franklin. People 309 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: from all over the world are going to Nashville, and 310 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: if they got a ride from a trucker or anybody, 311 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: they could be god knows where by now, Bobby Chicon 312 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: absolutely hundreds of not thousands of miles away from that area, 313 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: and they could be conceivably, you know, And my theory 314 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: is heading off because, um, no, they can't get Canada, 315 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: because I said that at the beginning of the programming. 316 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: You're piggyback in on me. No, And that's why I 317 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: think that I believe the Canada will not extradite murder 318 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: in capital murder cases, so they will not extradite exactly. 319 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: It's facing the death penalty, and I've read reports, but 320 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: he is possibly facing the death penalty, so he could 321 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: get refuge in Canada, who will not extradite unless the 322 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: US promises not to prosecute on a capital offense. So 323 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: so I don't know if they thought it out that much. 324 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: They certainly had enough time to think about that. My 325 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: theory has been all along n Mexico, the head is 326 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: Canada because of that, because of the non extradition in 327 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: capital murdercases. And to you, James shell Nutt, I mean, 328 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: it just makes common sense. I think Bobby Chacona is 329 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: absolutely correct. By the way, Jackie, pull me up a 330 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: US map if you don't mind, shell Nutt. It makes 331 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: common sense. Because if they were going north and they 332 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: were already how far did you say, Xavier Wary, how 333 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: far north Florence were they? Was it two hours? Yes? 334 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: It is about two hours? Or was it three? Was 335 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: it two or three hours north? Sheriff, it's about two hours. 336 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: The vehicle was found due east of Springhill, as the 337 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: gentleman said, Springhill, Tennessee. So yeah, it's about two hours 338 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: from from Florence, Alabama to that location. Yeah, okay, I 339 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: think Jacona is right, James shell Nutt, because why would 340 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: they go two hours north and then turn around and 341 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: go back right into the territory that's hot on their trail? No, 342 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: they're going north, but thank this through with me, chelnut 343 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: If this takes them towards Chicago, what would their route be, 344 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: how would they intersect with a major northern thoroughfare to 345 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: get them up to Canada, because I think that's where 346 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: they're headed. Yeah, I don't doubt that at all. I mean, 347 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: I think one thing is when you got interstates, you 348 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: got truck drivers, and so it would not be in 349 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: common for them to make their way to a truck stop. 350 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: They could have walked, they could have taken an uber, 351 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: they could have taken a lift to a truck stop. 352 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: They could have stolen a car and driven it to 353 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: a truck stop and then caught arrival with one of 354 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: these long over the road truckers. That would be a 355 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: great way for them to get out of the area 356 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: undetected in a vehicle that no one knew that they 357 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: were riding. You totally, but you know what, Sheriff Rick Singleton, 358 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: there has been no reports of another stole a vehicle, 359 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: none that we've been ready aware of them that you 360 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: can connect back to. Then then so Xavier Weary joining 361 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: me WAYTV. Are there other agencies helping Lauderdale County? Yes, again, 362 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: I know that the US Marshal Services they're definitely helping out. 363 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: And again after speaking with them, they just want to 364 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: put as many eyes in the area as possible, and 365 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: they're surveiling the area as we know it right now 366 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: in the area of Tennessee. So Gethy's just trying to 367 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: stay on top of it. I know our team is 368 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: worked diligently and got above and beyond it. Make sure 369 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: that we stay on top of this story and just 370 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: provide the facts as we receive them. Sheriff Singleton hearing 371 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: what Xavier whare he just said, I'm wondering what the 372 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: closest truck stop would have been, or if tracking dogs 373 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: were pulled in where the car was abandoned to see 374 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: which way they went. You know, the terrain, Sheriff would 375 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: have made sense for them to follow the road, but 376 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: staying in the woods all the way till they could 377 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: get to I sixty five, well, it appears they were 378 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: trying to stay to the back roads. You know, again, 379 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: unless they deliberately get this car um the you know, 380 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: as far as the interstate, it is close by. I've 381 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: traveled that route frequently. I have a daughter. It was 382 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: just north of Nashville, and I don't recall any major 383 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: cruck stops along that area of sixty five until you 384 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: get on north of Nashville. But I could be grown 385 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: question to you, Sheriff, does sixty five intersect with seven 386 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: sixty five? Does that intersect with seventy five at any 387 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: point to go north up towards you know, for instance, 388 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: New York, try to get to that Canadian border. Well that, yes, 389 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: it connects with Interstate that goes into Detroit, up in Kentucky. 390 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: I think Louisville, Well, there's a there's a I don't 391 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: know recall the interstate number, but it does go over 392 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: to Cincinnati and then on up to Detroit, sixty five 393 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: to sixty nine, sixty nine to seventy five in Michigan, 394 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: and that intersects in Michigan. Sixty nine takes you to 395 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: seventy five of the Canada. There you go, So I 396 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: sixty five to I sixty nine in Detroit. That's just 397 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: what Singleton was just saying. And in Detroit they could 398 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: catch I seventy five all the way straight up to Canada. 399 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: You know, what do you think about her changing her appearance? 400 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: Sheriff and hey to the rest of the panel again, 401 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: jump in. We need all the brain we need a 402 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: brain trust on this. Sheriff, what do you think about 403 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: her changing her appearance, Well, I think it'd probably be 404 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: obvious that she probably would, especially with all the media 405 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: coverage that this case has gotten nation wide. You know, 406 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: their photographs out there everywhere. I've even seen it on 407 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: billboards on the interstates, So you know, I think obviously 408 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: she would. Both of them would probably try to champ 409 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: your appearance. The one thing he can't change is a 410 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: the six foot nine that you stot you know question 411 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: and sheriff you stated that they had been She had 412 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: been shopping for men's clothes and I guess sex toys 413 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: before she sprang him. What else did she shot for? 414 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: Did she shot for hair dye or anything else? Did 415 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: she use her credit card? Not aware of I would 416 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: do know she was at the adult bookstore and a 417 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: local shopping center clothing store. She did use her credit card, 418 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: her personal credit card at the motel, So assuming that 419 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: since they use other visits were prior to the escape, 420 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: he'd probably used her personal credit card. I haven't been 421 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: given that information. How much here I mean, think about it, 422 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: jump in Bobby Chicone. If she used her credit card 423 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: for the hotel, did she use it for hair dye? 424 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: Did she use it for anything else we could use 425 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: to trace them. Yeah, I mean, look, as as much 426 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: as she's playing this out, I would think that she 427 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: is trying to use so that you would think that 428 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: she would try to use cash as much as possible. 429 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: She sold her house recently, she sold other belongings. She 430 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: kind of liquidated herself these last few week. So I 431 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: would guess and h you know that creates a lot 432 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: of cash, and I will you know it was me, 433 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: and I was planning this thing as meticulous as she did, 434 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: I would I would have used a lot of cash. Guys, 435 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: we were talking about the former I call her a warden. 436 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: I guess she could be called a jailer. What would 437 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: be her correct term? Sherif of Singleton she was assistant 438 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: director of corrections. And uh, you know the the issue 439 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: of the cash there again. You know, we do know 440 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: she had a considerable about of cash owner. But so 441 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: think about it. That cash, she's not doing her any 442 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: good in her pocket. She's gonna have to spend it somewhere, 443 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: which means that they're gonna be out and about and 444 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: hopefully somebody was spotting, you know, question to Shellna Chicane, 445 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: where anybody on the panel you know that she got 446 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: some fake IDs. You know she did. This woman is smart, 447 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: she preplanned everything. How would she have gone about getting 448 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: a fake ID? And can that be traced? Okay, everybody 449 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: jump in at a is easy. Every eighteen year old 450 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: at the beaches got one. That's not a problem at all. 451 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think it'd be very easy 452 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: for her to possibly conceal her identity. I think the 453 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: sheriff at the nail on the head, you know, the 454 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: key factor, and what's going to be most recognizable is 455 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: him and you know his height, his eyes, He's going 456 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: to stick out like a sore thome. Nancy. Yeah, I 457 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: think I think you really. Also, you've said something which 458 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: I think is significant. This man, it is supposed to 459 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: be on medication, and from what I've read, without medications, 460 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: he can be violent, which we know he's violent to 461 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: begin with, and sometimes do drugs. He's known to do 462 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: myth and that would make him even being more violent, crazy, 463 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: acting out, And she herself is at risk when it 464 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: comes to being with him, and I don't know that 465 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: she ever took them into consideration, the fact that he 466 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: could turn on her very easily. Nancy. Another thing too, 467 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: is that they could easily go to someone's home, an 468 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: elderly person's home, or someone's home who may not be 469 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: familiar with the story because they're not in the area, 470 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: and that person would be in grave danger. And that's 471 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: what scares me is not just the victims in the past, 472 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: but the possible future victims who may unwittingly help them 473 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: and become murder victims themselves. Well speaking, I want you 474 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: to take a listen to our cut thirty three our 475 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: Friends at When nineteen. At the time of the death 476 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: of thirty one year old Christy Lynn Shelton in two 477 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, police say that Casey White was there 478 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: at the home in Lexington, but after an investigation, he 479 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: was ruled out as a suspect, but her family said 480 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: they never believed that story, asking questions about exactly what 481 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: Casey was doing at the time that Casey Shelton was 482 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: shot and Shelton were dating at the time. Her family 483 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: has taken to social media to push for a reinvestigation 484 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: into this case, and a video sent to News nineteen, 485 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: the daughter of Christy Shelton says that when Casey White 486 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: escaped with the assistance of prison guard Vicky White, it 487 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: opened up a range of uncontrollable emotions for her family 488 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: who was seeking justice for their mother. So Casey Watt 489 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: was with my mom the knight that she committed suicide, 490 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: that one was really ever investigated. I don't even know 491 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: if they should commit her questioning time stories with Nancy Grace. 492 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: Maybe this video will fall in the right hands of 493 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: someone that can actually make a difference or look into 494 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: it more, maybe investigate. I'm not really sure you're hearing 495 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: the voice of Summer Mitchell. Her mom died of suicide 496 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: while in the home with this guy, the six foot 497 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: nine killer Casey White. Now is it correct Xavier Wery 498 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: joining us to be AAYTV that the victim in that case, 499 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: Christylan Shelton, reportedly committed suicide with a sawed off shotgun 500 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: from the reports good I have read, Yes, that is correct. 501 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that kind of hard to do? Sheriff Singleton, 502 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: shoot yourself. I mean, I've had plenty of cases with 503 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: shot off shotguns, but they're still a shotgun, and even 504 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: when you saw them off, they're uh. The ones I 505 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: have were at least fourteen maybe fourteen fifteen inches long 506 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: at best, because you've got the whole stock. You've got 507 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: all that that's still part of the gun to make 508 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: it work. I mean, have you ever seen a sawed 509 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 1: off lesson say fourteen inches? Sheriff, Well, no, I mean 510 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: you know a sawed off shotgun is you know you 511 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: common way come across those with criminals. The thing has 512 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: struck me strange about that, the case of that. You know, 513 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: most women don't you are gone of any time to 514 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: commit suicide. So you know, it's just sort of a 515 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: strange case. It's a very strange case. It stinks, all right, Chicone, 516 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: do you agree with me? Think about suicide just generally speaking, statistically, 517 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: a female of her age and where she is socioeconomically, 518 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: everything taken into account, she would never have shot herself 519 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: as a mode of suicide. In the rare occasion that 520 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: does happen. Women don't usually do that. They jump out 521 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: a window, they may take an overdose, they may turn 522 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: on a gas oven or turn on carbon monoxide in 523 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: their car, but they don't shoot themselves much less in 524 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: the chest or the face. But think about this, Chicon, 525 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: as a sheriff just said, who do you know a 526 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: civilian that has a sawt off shotgun? Now that he 527 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: said that he's right. Every case I ever had with 528 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: a thought off a criminal had it. She was no criminal. 529 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: And think of it logistically, turning a shotgun toward you 530 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: and shooting yourself. My point is he killed her. Yeah, 531 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: it's it's very unlikely that she should kill us up 532 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: as a sheriff said, it's very and you just said 533 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: it's very rare that women use a gun to the 534 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: suicide and the only real and you're right. The fourteen 535 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: inches I believe is the shortest you can saw off 536 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: a shotgun before getting into the mechanisms of the weapon. 537 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: And even even in fourteen inches, you don't saw off 538 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: a shotgun barrel other than to just conceal it when 539 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: you commit a crime, because it's very dangerous when you're 540 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: shore in the barrel that much, it's a very dangerous. 541 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: It's even more dangerous than it is with the barrel intact. 542 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: So really there's no reason to saw off a shotgun 543 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: unless you want to conceal it to commit a crime. So, 544 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: and it's a very very difficult weapon to kill yourself with. 545 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: Even when people kill themselves with guns, it's usually a handgun, 546 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: a long barrel weapon. Even if they saw it off 547 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: like that. It makes it even more unusual, and anything 548 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: that happens around this guy, given his history and his lifestyle, 549 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: comes into questions. If he's in the house and someone 550 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: ends up dead, I'm going to look right at him, 551 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: you know. To Sheriffric Singleton joining me the elected sheriff 552 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: theory in Lauderdale County again, especially to you and Austin, 553 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for you guys being with us, you know, 554 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, Sheriff Singleton, what else I can 555 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: learn from that car that was abandoned. Obviously they tried 556 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: to say spray painted green. That tells me they wanted 557 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: to stay in that car. That tells me they did 558 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: not have a plan for a second vehicle. Tell me 559 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: about you said and your press release in your conference 560 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: that they left it in a very obvious spot. Do 561 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: you believe that was by plan? I don't. I don't. 562 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: What's your thinking, Sheriff, I don't perfectly think it was planned. 563 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: The reason it attracted attention so soon. This car was 564 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: reported spotted at one fifty p hum on Friday, April 565 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: twenty ninth, the same morning that they escape. They left 566 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: the Florien area by approximately ten o'clock, so that's three 567 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: hours and fifty minutes. It's a two hour drive. Obviously, 568 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: they somewhere along the route they stopped and took the 569 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 1: time to try to paint the car. I don't really 570 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: think it was because it was part writing an intersection 571 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: and what attracted the attention so soon was homeowner right 572 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: up the road was out walking and saw the vehicle 573 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: and she was concerned to school bus would not be 574 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: able to make the turn because it was abandoned at 575 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: an intersection, and so she immediately called. This was just 576 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: shortly before school was to let out, so she immediately 577 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: called the sheriff office. They sent up, dispatched the deputy. 578 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: They had the car code, and it was told in 579 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: two thirty seven. So you know, I don't anythink that 580 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: was in their plan personally, Again, I can't prove that. 581 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: I wish I could. I wish we had more fact 582 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: where we knew exactly why they abandoned the car. But 583 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: my gut's telling me that it that it threw them 584 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: a curve, that they got caught without transportation and put 585 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: some some kind of desperate means to confine transportation from there. 586 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: All right, now you're telling me they abandoned the car. 587 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: How many hours after they left the shopping center. The 588 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: patrol car was spotted on video at nine forty nine 589 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: at an intersection just two blocks from where the car 590 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: was abandoned and where they switched vehicles. So you know, 591 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: by the time they got it part got into the 592 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: other vehicle. They were leaving the Farnes area prosably ten 593 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: o'clock that morning. The car was found at one fifty, 594 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: which is three hours and fifty minutes. Wow, that was 595 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: not their plan. I agree with you guys, if you 596 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: have information or think you have information. Eight hundred three 597 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: three six zero one zero two Nancy Gray's crime story 598 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: signing up Goodbye Friend,