Speaker 1: You know, in terms of hard of the situation, because
Speaker 1: now when you're in that life, it's like you live
Speaker 1: by the gun and you got by the gun at
Speaker 1: that point. Like in Chicago to Chicago, the tones of
Speaker 1: Chicago are more aggressive, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: then that would be like to be there and be
Speaker 1: Somebody said, man, when you think about our journey and
Speaker 1: the streets in Chicago mean I've got to st. Jackson
Speaker 1: and I'm Charlie Webster and this is surviving ol Chapol.
Speaker 1: It's once you brought down the drug wall. Just twenty
Speaker 1: years old, identical twins Pete and Jay Flores had built
Speaker 1: a trafficking empire in Chicago. They were shipping thousands of
Speaker 1: kilos every month to different parts of the country and
Speaker 1: raking in millions. And get this, they were only just
Speaker 1: getting started. But to be able to give you the story,
Speaker 1: if you the twins really are the real story behind
Speaker 1: the headlines, there's two important people we need to introduce
Speaker 1: you to. What makes the story is so crazy is
Speaker 1: that the twins both end up married to daughters of cops.
Speaker 1: Talk about playing with fire. Jay's wife Fell definitely had
Speaker 1: a profile back then despite having a police officer for
Speaker 1: a father. She has a backstory that it's not all
Speaker 1: that different to Jay's. Even I know about back in
Speaker 1: the day, but I didn't know her full story. I
Speaker 1: started off by being a mule. They got caught Mexico.
Speaker 1: Then they dropped the gas take and these the dra
Speaker 1: They put me in front of the judge and lass
Speaker 1: than seventy two hours and they said to me in
Speaker 1: ten years. I just wanted to get out of his desperate.
Speaker 1: Mexican prison is the hardest probably prison that I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: The windows are have bars, there's like no glass, and
Speaker 1: bunks are coming in and cats are walking around, and
Speaker 1: I remember there was just a ton of cats, and
Speaker 1: I think that they had so many cats there because
Speaker 1: of past control, so there weren't rats. M The prison
Speaker 1: was hard. I mean, the floors were subment It's like
Speaker 1: you're in the third world country and and I was
Speaker 1: just so scared. I remember the embassy coming down to
Speaker 1: see me. They come out to see you if you're
Speaker 1: a US citizen, and they just checked them. You're like,
Speaker 1: are you okay? Did anybody hurt you? Okay? We just
Speaker 1: have to check and make sure that nothing happened to
Speaker 1: you physically, you have no bruises. You're good. We'll see
Speaker 1: you next year. And I'm like, wait, wait, don't leave me.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Like you can't leave me. You
Speaker 1: can't leave me here just taking a shower. The guards
Speaker 1: they'll be walking by and like looking at you, like
Speaker 1: it was just so degrading. I was dating somebody at
Speaker 1: the time and he was dealing with the car. Tell
Speaker 1: they're obviously corrupt. And they said they were going to
Speaker 1: pay the judge because he was going to get me
Speaker 1: out of there. We're gonna pay the judge, We're gonna
Speaker 1: pay the warden, We're gonna pay everybody. You're gonna come home.
Speaker 1: I was so young, it was a baby. It was
Speaker 1: like nineteen years old. He got this fake birth certificate
Speaker 1: from California. They said I was a minor, so they
Speaker 1: transferred me from the prison two Julidle Correction Center. When
Speaker 1: I get there, it's like worse than the penitentiary. With
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids. They're like, come from the streets.
Speaker 1: We slept on cement beds, just blocks the cement with
Speaker 1: like a mat almost like a workout, Matt. It's all
Speaker 1: we stepped on. We ate beans with their hands, no
Speaker 1: silverware for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and we drank water
Speaker 1: from the tap which is really contaminated. I remember we
Speaker 1: had those shoes. They didn't want you to run. I
Speaker 1: felt I'd rather go back into my ten years than
Speaker 1: be in this place right here. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: get out. I was desperate. What I did was I
Speaker 1: kind of talk all the other kids, tell them like
Speaker 1: we need to run, Like there's four guards here, we
Speaker 1: can get away because I knew that I can outrun
Speaker 1: them even if I didn't have any shoes on. And
Speaker 1: I remember them telling on me. So the rest of
Speaker 1: my time, it's like every time that they took me
Speaker 1: to school and took me to church, I would have
Speaker 1: to walk out what two guards holding me. So my
Speaker 1: attorney comes to visit me, and he's like, I have
Speaker 1: good news and have bad news, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: is it. The good news is everyone's been paid off,
Speaker 1: but the bad news is it's gonna take some time.
Speaker 1: And I told him, wait, I can't be here, I
Speaker 1: can't do this anymore. So he comes up with this
Speaker 1: plan and he sets up this legal calm, the twelve.
Speaker 1: I told my attorney that he needs to call and
Speaker 1: then he needs to cough when he rolls up to
Speaker 1: the front. I'll never forget. It was December twelve, the
Speaker 1: day of the Virgin Mary, and I remember every day
Speaker 1: getting on my knees and praying to her to please, please,
Speaker 1: please let me come home to my knees blood. I
Speaker 1: cried every day. I didn't know what to do. I
Speaker 1: ended up trying to break my leg because for them
Speaker 1: to take me to make a phone call, they had
Speaker 1: to take me upstairs into the warden's office. And so
Speaker 1: sure enough they came to get me, and I just
Speaker 1: took my ankle and I remember just slamming against the
Speaker 1: cement badge and it was like huge and it was swollen,
Speaker 1: and they had to call the doctor to see it.
Speaker 1: I knew that they couldn't take me up the stairs
Speaker 1: because they couldn't walk. So here comes the two guards.
Speaker 1: Jet always walk with me everywhere I go. They take
Speaker 1: me to my phone call, and then the front door
Speaker 1: was right there, and I would just always look it's
Speaker 1: like right there. All of a sudden, my attorney starts
Speaker 1: coughing on the phone. Yeah, just all this fo kiss
Speaker 1: and I'm screaming my name in Spanish. All the guards
Speaker 1: are like bad, and I'm running. You can't even run
Speaker 1: on these rocks with the broken ankle, and I dive
Speaker 1: into this car and let me take off. In the car,
Speaker 1: it starts breaking down, like not even like four blocks away,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm pushing the guy, pushing
Speaker 1: him like let me out, let me out, like I'm
Speaker 1: ready to take off on them, like I want nothing
Speaker 1: to do with these people that are picking me up,
Speaker 1: Like I just want to get away because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to get caught. I'm pushing a guy trying to
Speaker 1: like get out the car, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he turns around, takes his glasses off in his hat
Speaker 1: and it's my attorney, and I couldn't believe he did that,
Speaker 1: and he broke me out. They had set up these checkpoints.
Speaker 1: They were checking the borders because they didn't want me
Speaker 1: to cross back to the other side. So I remember
Speaker 1: I had to stay there for like a week and hide.
Speaker 1: I ended up going with the family. They paid them off,
Speaker 1: and I crossed over the borders, said I was a
Speaker 1: US citizen. Mexico was not the last time Val would
Speaker 1: see the inside of a jail cell. Years later, she
Speaker 1: spent five months in a US federal prison af the
Speaker 1: refusing to wear a wire on her then husband Rudy
Speaker 1: Kato Ranko, my second husband, Cato. I was in love
Speaker 1: with him. There was nothing that I wouldn't do for him.
Speaker 1: I went to prison for him again. In the US,
Speaker 1: the Feds pick me up because he's like this huge
Speaker 1: target for the government. He's the king pen Latin King.
Speaker 1: He ran the city. Everybody knew his name, everybody was
Speaker 1: afraid of him. He was aggressive, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: he was the most charismatic person, and he had two
Speaker 1: sides to him. I would see him like turn into
Speaker 1: a monster at any given time he ran into somebody
Speaker 1: from another game, Like he would jump out the car
Speaker 1: and just started shooting at people randomly. I would be
Speaker 1: in the car and he would like literally take this
Speaker 1: gun and like over my ear, like across me and
Speaker 1: just start shooting at people. And my ears used to
Speaker 1: be just crazy. I've never seen nothing like that, and
Speaker 1: to the point where I would be scared. And it
Speaker 1: took a lot for me to get nervous or for
Speaker 1: me to be afraid. But with Cato, it felt like
Speaker 1: nobody could touch him, and he had power Kato was
Speaker 1: a big deal. He ran the Latin Kings in Chicago
Speaker 1: and was known as King Kato. Kato and the twins
Speaker 1: were close. They feel met through that older brother, Almando,
Speaker 1: who was active in the Latin Kings. I don't think
Speaker 1: there was anyone closer to Kate after vow who cared
Speaker 1: then remember that, in fact, Kato is the very reason
Speaker 1: Jane met Val in the first place. Men had a
Speaker 1: club fifteen years old, and when I saw I was like, wow, Like,
Speaker 1: who the fuck is that like? And I instantly put
Speaker 1: it together because I had heard people talking about her.
Speaker 1: He looked expensive. You know, I'm at a club. Shouldn't
Speaker 1: even be at the club. It's actually over, I think,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the Kado and all his friends roll
Speaker 1: up and they don't want to let him in the
Speaker 1: club because they know who he is that they're not
Speaker 1: gonna let him and bangs on the window. Twin go
Speaker 1: call that girl over there and tell her to come outside,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, we're in the club, what girl you
Speaker 1: you know? But as I was saying, I turned and look,
Speaker 1: I knew exactly who he was talking about. I remember
Speaker 1: I went over and I tapped it excuse me, and
Speaker 1: she looked like yeah. I'm like, Kaid was calling you.
Speaker 1: He's outside. He said, he wants you to go outside.
Speaker 1: And she's like, huh, the kid who wants you to
Speaker 1: go outside? Why doesn't he come in. I'm like, day
Speaker 1: didn't let him in. She's like, how did you get in?
Speaker 1: And she looked annoyed. She decided she walked out, and
Speaker 1: I just kind of glanced at him, like wow. I
Speaker 1: really really liked him as a person, and every time
Speaker 1: he would come around, I would just get very happy.
Speaker 1: I felt some type of connection. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that was, like some type of chemistry, but not in
Speaker 1: a bad way, just because you know, I was married.
Speaker 1: I was married to Kato. You know, I love my husband,
Speaker 1: very faithful to him. But I just loved you as
Speaker 1: a friend so much that I would try to like
Speaker 1: cook him up with like all the baddest girlfriends that
Speaker 1: I had. Kato had a giant tattoo across his chest
Speaker 1: declaring his love for vow with the words destined Forever
Speaker 1: my Queen Valerie. He had been convicted of attempted murder
Speaker 1: and was also deeply involved in the music industry. He
Speaker 1: was close with DMX, Fat Joe Busta Rhymes, and Kanye West.
Speaker 1: Katle was murdered. That was pregnant time. I was devastating.
Speaker 1: It was the hardest day that I had ever got through,
Speaker 1: especially just a relationship that I had of a kiddle.
Speaker 1: He was my everything. Kato was shot and killed sitting
Speaker 1: in a barber's chair getting his hair cut. In fact,
Speaker 1: it was actually in the middle of watching the two
Speaker 1: thousand and three NBA Finals between the San Antonio Spurs
Speaker 1: and the New Jersey Nets. His death was a contract killing,
Speaker 1: ordered after he allegedly stole a hundred and fifty kilos
Speaker 1: of cocaine from the Cineloa cartel. Notorious killer and boss
Speaker 1: of the Four Corner Hustlers gang Lebart romance Span was
Speaker 1: recently convicted of hiring the hitman Squeaky Simmons to gun
Speaker 1: Cato down. After he died, DMX released a tribute song
Speaker 1: Ao Kato, which featured vow when Kip a week he
Speaker 1: depended on me, so we were together every be Probably
Speaker 1: after that, I just felt this connection with Jail, was
Speaker 1: so in love with him, and I just didn't care.
Speaker 1: I didn't care what people said. I didn't care if
Speaker 1: people knew. I didn't care what they were going to think.
Speaker 1: When Jen will come around, like my face will light up.
Speaker 1: And I just felt his positive energy. As much as
Speaker 1: he was there for me, I wanted to be there
Speaker 1: for him. I fell in love with him. I never
Speaker 1: loved somebody the way that I loved Jay. Nobody. Her
Speaker 1: connection is so strong, and I think that he knows
Speaker 1: everything about me, my good qualities, my bad qualities. There's
Speaker 1: nothing that he doesn't know about me. He brought me
Speaker 1: back when Candle did passed away. I felt like I
Speaker 1: could fill her shes and then I realized, like, no
Speaker 1: what any of this stuff. I just want to be
Speaker 1: with Ja. I just want to, you know, be his
Speaker 1: wife and he had his children, and just be with him.
Speaker 1: I guess there's just on spoken kla that you had
Speaker 1: to rate, like a year at least when something casses
Speaker 1: the way of a while, what you're like. And I
Speaker 1: fell in love with Jay instantly. At first, everyone thought
Speaker 1: the twins were behind Kato's death. The way their business
Speaker 1: started dominating the streets of Chicago and their growing connections
Speaker 1: to the Cineloa cartel didn't help the rumors, but it
Speaker 1: was the way Jay and Val were inseparable in the
Speaker 1: immediate aftermath of Kato's death. That really got the gossip
Speaker 1: train going. When I was with Jay, You're in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and I know that Jay and Peter were having a
Speaker 1: lot of issues because me and Jay were together. It
Speaker 1: caused a lot of problems. That you two go together,
Speaker 1: it caused a lot of problems. It's just even for
Speaker 1: their business. I felt like that's it. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to live a normal life, and I just felt like Jay.
Speaker 1: I wanted to change him. And I think that every
Speaker 1: woman that falls in love with somebody, they think that
Speaker 1: they can change the person they're in love with, and
Speaker 1: they can convince them to do something differently. I knew
Speaker 1: that this life was nothing but tragedy and devastation, and
Speaker 1: that they were either going to go to prison for
Speaker 1: the rest of your life or they're gonna end up
Speaker 1: dead like Cato, and I didn't want that for them.
Speaker 1: I tried, and I tried, and I tried to convince
Speaker 1: Jay all the time, and I know that him and
Speaker 1: Peter fought over it, Peter being really upset at me
Speaker 1: because I didn't happened to fall in love with somebody.
Speaker 1: He didn't prove what they affected affected so much of
Speaker 1: our lives. They also looking in I feel like you
Speaker 1: should is that you should? You're making the magic. They
Speaker 1: could create a problem, and they created a prompt just
Speaker 1: passed away, but like you're putting your hard in the
Speaker 1: wrong place. Peter was wearing a bulletproof vest. It created
Speaker 1: a lot in their business, especially what they were doing.
Speaker 1: There was already so many risks that were happening, and
Speaker 1: then with this they felt like Peter, I understand, his
Speaker 1: business was in business and they nurtured this thing, they
Speaker 1: grew it, they scaled it. It was something that like
Speaker 1: that was his empire and Valcay with a lot of bags. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I came in with a lot of baggage. And for
Speaker 1: me to come in and for me to come in
Speaker 1: and like, you know, kind of jeopardize what they had
Speaker 1: going on was like you didn't want that extra you know,
Speaker 1: risk and and that that danger, especially not in that city.
Speaker 1: The relationship with my brother, Valerie made the whole city
Speaker 1: to start talking talking, talking, talking tired. I think that
Speaker 1: we're Valerate and who she was can when a lot
Speaker 1: of people talking about her with that like or like
Speaker 1: intrigue or whatever. The cases that would make people be
Speaker 1: in her business and they feel like my brothers and
Speaker 1: were able to kind of be lokey for the nobody's
Speaker 1: you know, in our own trickle in the cocaine, but
Speaker 1: to have like maybe the phone light up and every
Speaker 1: time they're talking to twin, you know, because of my
Speaker 1: brothers were vow. Now it became like an issue. M
Speaker 1: Apparently being attracted to the child of a cop was
Speaker 1: something that seemed to run in the family. One of
Speaker 1: the officers of the local gang units had a daughter
Speaker 1: named vv that Pete was definitely interested in. I didn't
Speaker 1: imagine that Peter and Jr. Were selling drugs are and
Speaker 1: a way to being who they who they became, no way.
Speaker 1: I just thought that they were just fun and and
Speaker 1: we would go out and it would go to parties
Speaker 1: and to the lake and and it was just being
Speaker 1: kids together. We met at fifteen fifteen, sixteen years old,
Speaker 1: so we didn't get together until we were Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we were friends. I knew her dad before I knew
Speaker 1: her because like in a gang union, and he patrolled
Speaker 1: the neighborhood and everyone knew him. He patrolled the area
Speaker 1: and we had our own encounters without you know, like
Speaker 1: being part of the team that readed her at home
Speaker 1: where Peter came from. That neighborhood, my dad patrolled there,
Speaker 1: so that's where my dad would go and risk his
Speaker 1: life every day for so you know, being from the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: my father didn't want me affiliating with anyone. When I
Speaker 1: first seen I thought she was like the most beautiful
Speaker 1: woman in the world. I submerged myself into this big world,
Speaker 1: even in Chicago. I means people think that it just
Speaker 1: happened in Mexico, but in Chicago, the world was really
Speaker 1: really big already when I was around that, I've seen
Speaker 1: that it was maybe too big for me, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't see myself living that life with him. But I
Speaker 1: definitely knew that the people that I was already choosing
Speaker 1: before him weren't good enough for me either. So I
Speaker 1: think that's where my heart was like torn, Like Okay,
Speaker 1: so I have this great guy who is the perfect
Speaker 1: man for me, but his life was not what I wanted.
Speaker 1: And during that time, I was going to school to
Speaker 1: be a core reporter. I was in college, I was
Speaker 1: working in a transportation business, so I had my own life.
Speaker 1: I lived a totally opposite life like he was up
Speaker 1: all night and I had to sleep at eight o'clock
Speaker 1: because my day started five in the morning. So his
Speaker 1: life was totally different than mine, and I felt like
Speaker 1: we weren't going to be able to live that life again.
Speaker 1: It's ironic that I'm sitting here and um with this
Speaker 1: the man of my dreams, and he's plotting the streets
Speaker 1: of Chicago with drugs, and then my dad, I see
Speaker 1: him and he's putting on his uniform and he's risking
Speaker 1: his life every day. Yeah, and during that time, he
Speaker 1: would leave a roles in my car every day. So
Speaker 1: when I would go to work, I would, you know,
Speaker 1: take my little roles in my little office cubicle. When
Speaker 1: I was going to school, I take my roles with me,
Speaker 1: so you know, I was always reminded that he was there.
Speaker 1: It was exciting to walk around and feel like I
Speaker 1: just think that, No, Chicago's a big gangster like world.
Speaker 1: Like let me talk about al Capone in those days,
Speaker 1: in that era provision and he we are in the
Speaker 1: eral crack cocaine and cocaine, you know, and to be
Speaker 1: at that height, you know, to be making minutes of
Speaker 1: thousand a month. We were selling the drugs like that.
Speaker 1: Since two thousand, two thousand one, I could probably do
Speaker 1: it like someone else that's like career in twenty years
Speaker 1: in a month. Yeah, because we started off like even
Speaker 1: back in two thousands, like we're moving a thousand kids
Speaker 1: a month. They hundred kid a little month. How much
Speaker 1: does that quate to in my name? We're either making
Speaker 1: two and a halveen and dollars a month. And at
Speaker 1: the same time we're growing into different you know cities,
Speaker 1: like I told you we started hitting the road to
Speaker 1: Milwaukee was one of the first places we went to.
Speaker 1: You know, it's in Minnesota to Ohio. I remember like
Speaker 1: sending fifty keys to Columbus and thinking, I made an
Speaker 1: extra five thousands a killo on me tune and fifty
Speaker 1: in twelve days. I could do that twice a month
Speaker 1: just with fifty kilos. Yeah. Later on we went we
Speaker 1: expanded to Washington, d C. We can make ten dollars
Speaker 1: a key from one part of the country to the
Speaker 1: other part of the country. So we sent a hundred kilos.
Speaker 1: We're making a million dollars and we were so like
Speaker 1: happy about it. But those of us who aren't in
Speaker 1: the game. Key is another word for kilo. You'll hear
Speaker 1: the Twins use it a lot. We're also losing all
Speaker 1: the money. I always used to say, Well, one thing
Speaker 1: is for sure is that I lost way more than
Speaker 1: your average, your most successful jobs that has ever made.
Speaker 1: I lost it. I had to pay, you know, and
Speaker 1: the I said, it was a fun time to have,
Speaker 1: you know, apartments downtown and you know, in cars and
Speaker 1: going out to the club and going out to eat,
Speaker 1: and we had a dinner. The builty amounts like twenty dollars, right,
Speaker 1: So today I see, But at that time, I was like,
Speaker 1: I just didn't understand the way it looked from the outside.
Speaker 1: Inn Like you stupid punk, we're spending twentys and the dinner.
Speaker 1: You think it's okay, Like I see it that my
Speaker 1: brother Nad we probably easily pushed over a hundred thirty
Speaker 1: hundred forty tons, since I'm not bragging tons of companion.
Speaker 1: But understand the part where it says I saw BOS
Speaker 1: delete that ship. I want that you told my absolute
Speaker 1: ground level battle. They let us to this ship through
Speaker 1: so all the way to the top of it perstructed.
Speaker 1: Business was well, let's say, booming for the Twins. But
Speaker 1: in August of two thousand and three, things began to unravel.
Speaker 1: Pete quickly realized in the worst possible way that when
Speaker 1: you have that kind of money, people start paying attention.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget the thing because it's such a so
Speaker 1: my experience, you know, cho's built to be kidnapped, no
Speaker 1: one to be sitting there in you know, titled to
Speaker 1: the chairman, surrounded by plastic thing. Really that morning that
Speaker 1: was mean, say, by one of our buildings where we
Speaker 1: had our bikes, our choppers, part cycles. It was a
Speaker 1: beautiful day every day it was sunny, and we're just
Speaker 1: take it right downtown. Once I get there, it was
Speaker 1: like I had a coff from one of one of
Speaker 1: my customers, and I'm like, let me go take care
Speaker 1: of that first. You guys go ahead. I'll meet up
Speaker 1: with you later, but I'm just gonna head downtown. When
Speaker 1: I first pulled around the block, I had seen a
Speaker 1: green Crown Victoria, like a cop looking car, part like
Speaker 1: around the corner of the building. That struck me as odd.
Speaker 1: So when I come around the block, around the building,
Speaker 1: I'm making my little around, I see a blazer seemed
Speaker 1: like like in a corner with tints like I could
Speaker 1: see like it was a perfect set up in a
Speaker 1: perfect spot where it could see the building and see
Speaker 1: the rods, you know. So it struck me so weird
Speaker 1: that I actually put the car in park. I jumped off.
Speaker 1: I jumped off the car. I couldn't seen it, and
Speaker 1: I put my face like to the glass to see
Speaker 1: if I can see if someone was in it. But
Speaker 1: then we were accustomed to like give it this if
Speaker 1: it is a badge or something. What we're you gonna
Speaker 1: tell you get away from a car. So it was
Speaker 1: empty though. So when we go back, my brothers are
Speaker 1: at part like under the train tracks and see them leave,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well I wait a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm on the phone. We were supposed to actually jump
Speaker 1: on the motorcycles. He called me over there to jump
Speaker 1: on the motorcycles and go for a ride. At the end,
Speaker 1: he decided he had something better to do and he said, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going We're like what I'm not going? On?
Speaker 1: Like okay, So we jumped on moorcycles. I remember I
Speaker 1: was actually there for a while and I kind of
Speaker 1: see the car that he was talking about. I changed
Speaker 1: changed into my most like a gear. I'm like alrighty
Speaker 1: mm hmm. For some reason, I just headed back like
Speaker 1: Northfounder and the alleyway. Right when I'm getting to the corner,
Speaker 1: I see the north car pull up with his lights blinking.
Speaker 1: They're kind of cutting me off into the alley. When
Speaker 1: I see him, like dude, I'm like, damn, there's somebody
Speaker 1: watching me somewhere. Like they really almost cut me off,
Speaker 1: like before you got to the end of the alley.
Speaker 1: The minute they jumped out, they jumped out with their
Speaker 1: guns out in their badges. They jumped out like with
Speaker 1: there whatever special unit cats really proof vest and their
Speaker 1: guns out. Put your hands up, put it. Then that
Speaker 1: goings out here. But I put my hands up, you know.
Speaker 1: They're kind of st around the car. That get the
Speaker 1: fun the car and you're love and then where's the gun?
Speaker 1: Where's that? You know, and they're kind of like rushing.
Speaker 1: I love mem We're staring at the Caucasian meal. They
Speaker 1: look a lot of funny, Like I looked at him
Speaker 1: and he has classes unto him, just staring at his
Speaker 1: face before he would even let me like answer a question,
Speaker 1: he's asking me another one. He has his best I'm
Speaker 1: trying to see the what logos they have on their
Speaker 1: on their vest, you know, because you see where the
Speaker 1: fun is the gun, where the guys, where the other
Speaker 1: guys at Now he wouldn't even let me ask one question.
Speaker 1: So right a way you put like you turned me
Speaker 1: around and don't fucking me, he asked me. He puts
Speaker 1: the company and turn around and the other guy comes
Speaker 1: to me, puts the cups on, and then I can
Speaker 1: see the other guy like he walks me back to
Speaker 1: the squawker. Yea, he needs to put him in the
Speaker 1: back of the car. Card. I remember hearing him saying,
Speaker 1: grab his bag of phones. Yeah, it's f funny, like
Speaker 1: like I had a bag of like through my mind
Speaker 1: on team, like like what's this about? Like man and
Speaker 1: the Feds finally coming once I'm in the back of
Speaker 1: that cop card handcock, but I don't see a radio
Speaker 1: and they pull out the alley like for like making
Speaker 1: speaks or like trying to get away from them and
Speaker 1: that kind of word you know that they leave my
Speaker 1: truck sitting in the middle a little alley. It didn't
Speaker 1: feel good. I'm waiting for like to see you know
Speaker 1: there you know, vehicles out there, police presence. Thank for
Speaker 1: like what you call drug busters. There were other vehicles,
Speaker 1: but there was just that one was just that one
Speaker 1: that's kind of like took me like a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was a little shocked at that. So I'm kind
Speaker 1: of looking around to see what else I see. So
Speaker 1: when they say we're the other ones, I'm thinking, did
Speaker 1: they go like follow my brother and they're trying to
Speaker 1: get you out time? And I remember when he asked me,
Speaker 1: what the fund you have about all these bombs for now?
Speaker 1: I was like thinking of giving him a bullshit story.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what the fund do you have me
Speaker 1: in the back of the car for? Do you have
Speaker 1: me in the back of cards for a reason? Like
Speaker 1: just ignoring me? They take off and they stopped like
Speaker 1: in a busy two way street. Remember this is like
Speaker 1: two o'clock in the afternoon. It's a sunny day, you know,
Speaker 1: right in front of like the kiss and ride of
Speaker 1: the train stations. So there's people like walking around and
Speaker 1: then going to their cars, jumping off the train and stuff.
Speaker 1: And they pull into like an empty like all bandon
Speaker 1: like a lot, and I see a band sitting there,
Speaker 1: a white band and it has a blue line across it,
Speaker 1: like a double blue line, like that Chicago policeman like
Speaker 1: a Patty wagon and look at the driver. The driver
Speaker 1: has like a hat on, sunglasses, we're like long curly hair,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, when I see the curly here, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: that looks like a wig. When they get out the
Speaker 1: car and they they kind of like brushing me off
Speaker 1: the back seat, I'm so handcuffed that moment. I just
Speaker 1: have to tell you that I thought my knees go
Speaker 1: a little week. It doesn't feel right, you know. I
Speaker 1: remember thinking like I wish I could run. They just
Speaker 1: instanct I want to run, And I remember grabbed me hard,
Speaker 1: like and where the fund you going, you know, And
Speaker 1: they've kind of walked me, almost carried me to the
Speaker 1: at leasta, you know, and opened the back door. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just didn't feel right. Pulls the gun out and
Speaker 1: he has to turn my back knee, pulls him into
Speaker 1: the van. He puts up. I could feel the gun
Speaker 1: in the back in my upper bag and he's like,
Speaker 1: don't fucking move, you know, And I could hear him
Speaker 1: and he cracks like a a hat, you know, like
Speaker 1: a winter hat, and he puts it over back. But
Speaker 1: he brings it out to my eyes and I could
Speaker 1: hear him that you had the tape. While he's doing
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, you got me, and you the cops?
Speaker 1: Are you the real cops? And they shut the funk up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, man, you got me. I'm in the
Speaker 1: back line. I ain't going nowhere like you got me,
Speaker 1: just I'm just asking a question. He was like, I
Speaker 1: ain't a cop. M hm h m hmm. By the
Speaker 1: time he's already putting the tape one in mine or
Speaker 1: the hat and I don't covering my eyes. I went
Speaker 1: through your mind when he said I ain't knowing cough,
Speaker 1: it was like, damn, you got me. This is not
Speaker 1: gonna go go. Would you almost to be rosery being cops? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the cops are gonna take me to jail. It might
Speaker 1: stop me up a little bit. But that's what struck
Speaker 1: me as out that you know, Chicao police like they
Speaker 1: don't do stuff like this. I'm not, like, you know,
Speaker 1: worried of Chicago police. I was nervous though, but my
Speaker 1: mind was just thinking, how do I make this, you know,
Speaker 1: go wey as fast as possible. My brother and I
Speaker 1: had a garage in the neighbor that we had for years,
Speaker 1: and we had a older car. We had took the
Speaker 1: era all the tires and stuff and disconnect the battery,
Speaker 1: and we had like we had like three kilos that
Speaker 1: we have been sitting for like a year and a
Speaker 1: half two years that were a poor quality that he
Speaker 1: never took back. I got could get there in ten minutes.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing that came to my mind. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I got three kidos ten minutes away
Speaker 1: from it. We ain't gotta go far. You can have them,
Speaker 1: and we ain't gotta go nowhere. And we're worried me
Speaker 1: that he didn't jump like test three D Hello. And
Speaker 1: when we say these things, don't think that this is common.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like this ain't like a
Speaker 1: normal for you to have, you know, a hundred kilo
Speaker 1: city somewhere. That came back and put his knee in
Speaker 1: my back and said, I'm sorry to tell you this,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna need more than that. When he told
Speaker 1: me that, I was like, who the fund does he
Speaker 1: think he has? A lot of things went to my mind,
Speaker 1: like singing and good you know. He stood in the
Speaker 1: back of the van with me and the passenger, which
Speaker 1: was like he was like six four. He drove away.
Speaker 1: I remember trying to keep up with the turns, you know,
Speaker 1: like one thing that my brother and I did. We
Speaker 1: were around the street up down, like when knew every alley,
Speaker 1: every corner, every street of the city, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep up to where they were going.
Speaker 1: They spun me around pretty well though, I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 1: somewhere like off the first habitue. Pull me into a
Speaker 1: garage and it's hot. I mean it's like ninety five degrees.
Speaker 1: Everything's just you know, muggy out there. And I could
Speaker 1: see the garage store was like see through. I've seen
Speaker 1: the sun coming through. And they're talking. There's other people there,
Speaker 1: and then he has my phone. Heck, look, man, who
Speaker 1: do you want to call? This is gonna help you.
Speaker 1: You wanna call your brother? And I want to call
Speaker 1: my brother. And I picked our associate because he had
Speaker 1: direct access to these three kiddos, like one of our workers,
Speaker 1: and he grabbed the phone and he's like here, call him. Oh.
Speaker 1: I remember telling him, look, they got me, they got me. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put these dudes on phone. Do whatever they
Speaker 1: ask you for. Just listen to him he was like, like,
Speaker 1: what the fun is talking? Whot they get out of you?
Speaker 1: Stop playing? I'm serious, or like I'm gonna put him
Speaker 1: on the phone. Just do whatever they say. Real they
Speaker 1: got me, he was like what I could hear his
Speaker 1: voice is kind of change and um. Then they slowly
Speaker 1: like walk me. They he stepped me all the way
Speaker 1: to like the side images of a home. I could
Speaker 1: see like the cement driveway now but I can't really see.
Speaker 1: So they're walking me slow and they pull me into
Speaker 1: the side and they walked me down the stairs like
Speaker 1: I could see the stairs kind of coming down the
Speaker 1: minute hit that basement. I could hear parrot, a parrot,
Speaker 1: a bird, like I hear a lot of bird, you know.
Speaker 1: And I remember they kind of cut me into the
Speaker 1: right and he walked me and I could then I
Speaker 1: could feel the like plastic under my feet. You felt
Speaker 1: like you're stepping on the garbage bag, you know. But
Speaker 1: it was like I could see later that was clear plastic,
Speaker 1: like just like a big plastic tarp. And it was
Speaker 1: not only did it cover the floor, but it kind
Speaker 1: of covered up like he went up and they sent
Speaker 1: me down in the middle of there's a rocking chair.
Speaker 1: They sent me on the rocky chair, and they tied
Speaker 1: me up to the rocking chair, tided my chest up,
Speaker 1: tip my legs up on up to the rocking chair
Speaker 1: with rope, and they do my feet with dust tack.
Speaker 1: But he put, oh, there's like a like a weird
Speaker 1: belt rope, like I'm not sure what it was, but
Speaker 1: I could feel around my chest and it was weird
Speaker 1: about the rocket chair. It made me think that these
Speaker 1: people they did this before, because every time I moved up,
Speaker 1: it would rock me. It would almost impossible to get
Speaker 1: off of the rocket chair. Every time I try to
Speaker 1: sit up, you know, I end up rocking back. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't say much. I just hear the stupid bird and
Speaker 1: the noise and talking, you know, same weird thing that
Speaker 1: he was saying, fuck you or something. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what he was saying. He was saying something like that
Speaker 1: head yeah, the pair, like I can hear, and like
Speaker 1: I could pick my eyes up, and I remember seeing
Speaker 1: all like a work overalls, like construction overalls, like hanging
Speaker 1: from like a pipe. I spent like hours sitting in
Speaker 1: the chair just thinking, like in silence, kind of beside
Speaker 1: the stupid bird. What did he make you think. When
Speaker 1: the fact that there was plastic and there was a
Speaker 1: rocking chair, I mean, there was only one thing. I
Speaker 1: think that they were gonna either kill me or trying
Speaker 1: to torturing me into the tunnel. Something in my head,
Speaker 1: I was going through the motion and I'm like they
Speaker 1: started torturing me, like they're gonna let me go. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me go, So just thinking what I wouldn't say,
Speaker 1: you know, And I was thinking about my brother, like, man,
Speaker 1: I hope he's okay. Whatever it was at that time
Speaker 1: when I put my friend on the phone. At the
Speaker 1: same time, I wanted to create like a separation from
Speaker 1: my brother. Had like the last thing I needed to
Speaker 1: spend them to grab him. So trying to protect jack Ah.
Speaker 1: I spent the first couple of hours like that, and
Speaker 1: I would hear them come in and now I could
Speaker 1: hear them whispering. Remember they ordered pizza. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: wish and you were kind of pizza they ordered, just
Speaker 1: like I knew where I was at, you know, like, well,
Speaker 1: once it got late, I remember they come back and
Speaker 1: they take me out the rocky chair and they walked
Speaker 1: into the other side way. They had like a sofa
Speaker 1: and a TV set up, and I could once they
Speaker 1: lay me down and they tied me up to a
Speaker 1: pipe with handcuffs, and the guy comes in, the guy
Speaker 1: who's watching over me. He's kind of like, you're all
Speaker 1: right man, you know he's talking to me. I ask
Speaker 1: me questions. You all right, you know, we don't want
Speaker 1: to hurt you, man, unless we have to. But it's
Speaker 1: like we need you. We're gonna come back. He does, ma,
Speaker 1: and he kind of pass me. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're really good at what you're doing, but we're good
Speaker 1: at what we do. I remember just thinking like, you're
Speaker 1: an asshole. So I sleep stuck to a pipe like
Speaker 1: after the next two days, like and I can look
Speaker 1: up and I can see the stupid biggest parrots. White's
Speaker 1: huge in the big okay, and it's talking almost all
Speaker 1: nine in the morning. You know, they don't have times
Speaker 1: whereould be quiet, and here we go again. It was
Speaker 1: just annoying me. I remember, like the next evening, I
Speaker 1: hear a lot of movement and I hear the guy
Speaker 1: that that first drove me come downstairs, rushed down stairs.
Speaker 1: He test me, yo, listen, man, I'm gonna put your
Speaker 1: brother on the phone. He fucking up. He playing with
Speaker 1: your life. Man, You're better tell him to get serious,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's the first time you let me
Speaker 1: call my brother. I remember just saying Jay, man, just
Speaker 1: don't play with him. Do whatever you gotta do and quick.
Speaker 1: I love him. I can imagine where he was going through,
Speaker 1: numb but at that time, it was just like, how's
Speaker 1: this gonna add At least I take off and go
Speaker 1: down tom m hmmm, I'm Drey ran down talents or afternoon.
Speaker 1: I can't hear my phone. I'm uh any attention. I
Speaker 1: stopped at the light and I decided to look at
Speaker 1: my phone, and I have like probably any miscalls. So
Speaker 1: I know this is a problem from different people, and
Speaker 1: it was from different people whom the main cause were
Speaker 1: from my one of our associatesment, which was I considered
Speaker 1: him like he was our first worker. He was like
Speaker 1: right hand man for both of us, right like that
Speaker 1: would handle every team. So I know this is a problem.
Speaker 1: During the mother stuck off, I'm like, hey, let's going,
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I've been calling you, Like what happened.
Speaker 1: He's like, they came up your brother. I said, what
Speaker 1: He's nervous, like they just kick up your brothers. They
Speaker 1: call me talking about they wanted me to give me
Speaker 1: two hundred kids. I said what, like again and he's like,
Speaker 1: where are you from downtown? You know I'll meet you
Speaker 1: my oprah, all right, I'll meet you down mooning like
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the way they'll be their intent m
Speaker 1: hm hunter thing going through my mind. I was scared
Speaker 1: for my brother, like really scared. I was nervous for him,
Speaker 1: like I didn't have to be there to pure he
Speaker 1: was feeling, I think, anxiety of like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I hope he's okay. I started calling all the workers
Speaker 1: coming me now it's just calming me. Now. I called
Speaker 1: some of my main customers who I considered to me
Speaker 1: like really good friends, and I'm like talking to him
Speaker 1: like they cannot and that's crazy. That w was just
Speaker 1: widom like what happened or how m My worker gets
Speaker 1: there and he gets to wear a couple of guys
Speaker 1: and he runs. He's like, here's the phone, like his phone.
Speaker 1: They said you're gonna call back in thirty minutes. They
Speaker 1: said they want three hundred keys. They put your brother
Speaker 1: on the phone and your brother said give him whatever.
Speaker 1: They ask for was I get the phone call. I
Speaker 1: still remember that day hearing the voice. I'm saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: I said, hello, who is this is his brother? All perfect?
Speaker 1: So listen, I got your brother. Don't worry. He's good.
Speaker 1: You know. He's said for mistreat mnity as long as
Speaker 1: you corporate. You'm like, okay. He said, I need to
Speaker 1: undrew keys. I said, hey, listen, you know who you got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what I want to do. What makes you
Speaker 1: think that I won't be able to give you three?
Speaker 1: That's the way it talks him. Come and get real.
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