WEBVTT - Episode 3 - Love Is Easy

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in terms of hard of the situation, because

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<v Speaker 1>now when you're in that life, it's like you live

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<v Speaker 1>by the gun and you got by the gun at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. Like in Chicago to Chicago, the tones of

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago are more aggressive, you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 1>then that would be like to be there and be

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody said, man, when you think about our journey and

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<v Speaker 1>the streets in Chicago mean I've got to st. Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Charlie Webster and this is surviving ol Chapol.

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<v Speaker 1>It's once you brought down the drug wall. Just twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years old, identical twins Pete and Jay Flores had built

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<v Speaker 1>a trafficking empire in Chicago. They were shipping thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>kilos every month to different parts of the country and

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<v Speaker 1>raking in millions. And get this, they were only just

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<v Speaker 1>getting started. But to be able to give you the story,

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<v Speaker 1>if you the twins really are the real story behind

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<v Speaker 1>the headlines, there's two important people we need to introduce

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<v Speaker 1>you to. What makes the story is so crazy is

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<v Speaker 1>that the twins both end up married to daughters of cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about playing with fire. Jay's wife Fell definitely had

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<v Speaker 1>a profile back then despite having a police officer for

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<v Speaker 1>a father. She has a backstory that it's not all

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<v Speaker 1>that different to Jay's. Even I know about back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, but I didn't know her full story. I

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<v Speaker 1>started off by being a mule. They got caught Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they dropped the gas take and these the dra

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<v Speaker 1>They put me in front of the judge and lass

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<v Speaker 1>than seventy two hours and they said to me in

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<v Speaker 1>ten years. I just wanted to get out of his desperate.

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican prison is the hardest probably prison that I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>The windows are have bars, there's like no glass, and

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<v Speaker 1>bunks are coming in and cats are walking around, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember there was just a ton of cats, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they had so many cats there because

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<v Speaker 1>of past control, so there weren't rats. M The prison

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<v Speaker 1>was hard. I mean, the floors were subment It's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the third world country and and I was

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<v Speaker 1>just so scared. I remember the embassy coming down to

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<v Speaker 1>see me. They come out to see you if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a US citizen, and they just checked them. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you okay? Did anybody hurt you? Okay? We just

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<v Speaker 1>have to check and make sure that nothing happened to

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<v Speaker 1>you physically, you have no bruises. You're good. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you next year. And I'm like, wait, wait, don't leave me.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean, Like you can't leave me. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't leave me here just taking a shower. The guards

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be walking by and like looking at you, like

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<v Speaker 1>it was just so degrading. I was dating somebody at

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<v Speaker 1>the time and he was dealing with the car. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>they're obviously corrupt. And they said they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>pay the judge because he was going to get me

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<v Speaker 1>out of there. We're gonna pay the judge, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>pay the warden, We're gonna pay everybody. You're gonna come home.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so young, it was a baby. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like nineteen years old. He got this fake birth certificate

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<v Speaker 1>from California. They said I was a minor, so they

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<v Speaker 1>transferred me from the prison two Julidle Correction Center. When

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<v Speaker 1>I get there, it's like worse than the penitentiary. With

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of kids. They're like, come from the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>We slept on cement beds, just blocks the cement with

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<v Speaker 1>like a mat almost like a workout, Matt. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>we stepped on. We ate beans with their hands, no

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<v Speaker 1>silverware for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and we drank water

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<v Speaker 1>from the tap which is really contaminated. I remember we

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<v Speaker 1>had those shoes. They didn't want you to run. I

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<v Speaker 1>felt I'd rather go back into my ten years than

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<v Speaker 1>be in this place right here. I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get out. I was desperate. What I did was I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of talk all the other kids, tell them like

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<v Speaker 1>we need to run, Like there's four guards here, we

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<v Speaker 1>can get away because I knew that I can outrun

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<v Speaker 1>them even if I didn't have any shoes on. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember them telling on me. So the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>my time, it's like every time that they took me

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<v Speaker 1>to school and took me to church, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>to walk out what two guards holding me. So my

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<v Speaker 1>attorney comes to visit me, and he's like, I have

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<v Speaker 1>good news and have bad news, and I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is it. The good news is everyone's been paid off,

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<v Speaker 1>but the bad news is it's gonna take some time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I told him, wait, I can't be here, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do this anymore. So he comes up with this

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<v Speaker 1>plan and he sets up this legal calm, the twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>I told my attorney that he needs to call and

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<v Speaker 1>then he needs to cough when he rolls up to

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<v Speaker 1>the front. I'll never forget. It was December twelve, the

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<v Speaker 1>day of the Virgin Mary, and I remember every day

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<v Speaker 1>getting on my knees and praying to her to please, please,

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<v Speaker 1>please let me come home to my knees blood. I

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<v Speaker 1>cried every day. I didn't know what to do. I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up trying to break my leg because for them

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<v Speaker 1>to take me to make a phone call, they had

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<v Speaker 1>to take me upstairs into the warden's office. And so

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<v Speaker 1>sure enough they came to get me, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>took my ankle and I remember just slamming against the

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<v Speaker 1>cement badge and it was like huge and it was swollen,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had to call the doctor to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that they couldn't take me up the stairs

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<v Speaker 1>because they couldn't walk. So here comes the two guards.

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<v Speaker 1>Jet always walk with me everywhere I go. They take

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<v Speaker 1>me to my phone call, and then the front door

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<v Speaker 1>was right there, and I would just always look it's

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<v Speaker 1>like right there. All of a sudden, my attorney starts

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<v Speaker 1>coughing on the phone. Yeah, just all this fo kiss

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm screaming my name in Spanish. All the guards

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<v Speaker 1>are like bad, and I'm running. You can't even run

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<v Speaker 1>on these rocks with the broken ankle, and I dive

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<v Speaker 1>into this car and let me take off. In the car,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts breaking down, like not even like four blocks away,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, I'm pushing the guy, pushing

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<v Speaker 1>him like let me out, let me out, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ready to take off on them, like I want nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with these people that are picking me up,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just want to get away because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get caught. I'm pushing a guy trying to

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<v Speaker 1>like get out the car, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>he turns around, takes his glasses off in his hat

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<v Speaker 1>and it's my attorney, and I couldn't believe he did that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he broke me out. They had set up these checkpoints.

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<v Speaker 1>They were checking the borders because they didn't want me

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<v Speaker 1>to cross back to the other side. So I remember

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<v Speaker 1>I had to stay there for like a week and hide.

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<v Speaker 1>I ended up going with the family. They paid them off,

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<v Speaker 1>and I crossed over the borders, said I was a

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<v Speaker 1>US citizen. Mexico was not the last time Val would

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<v Speaker 1>see the inside of a jail cell. Years later, she

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<v Speaker 1>spent five months in a US federal prison af the

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<v Speaker 1>refusing to wear a wire on her then husband Rudy

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<v Speaker 1>Kato Ranko, my second husband, Cato. I was in love

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<v Speaker 1>with him. There was nothing that I wouldn't do for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to prison for him again. In the US,

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<v Speaker 1>the Feds pick me up because he's like this huge

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<v Speaker 1>target for the government. He's the king pen Latin King.

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<v Speaker 1>He ran the city. Everybody knew his name, everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of him. He was aggressive, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the most charismatic person, and he had two

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<v Speaker 1>sides to him. I would see him like turn into

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<v Speaker 1>a monster at any given time he ran into somebody

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<v Speaker 1>from another game, Like he would jump out the car

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<v Speaker 1>and just started shooting at people randomly. I would be

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<v Speaker 1>in the car and he would like literally take this

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<v Speaker 1>gun and like over my ear, like across me and

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<v Speaker 1>just start shooting at people. And my ears used to

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<v Speaker 1>be just crazy. I've never seen nothing like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where I would be scared. And it

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<v Speaker 1>took a lot for me to get nervous or for

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<v Speaker 1>me to be afraid. But with Cato, it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>nobody could touch him, and he had power Kato was

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. He ran the Latin Kings in Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>and was known as King Kato. Kato and the twins

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<v Speaker 1>were close. They feel met through that older brother, Almando,

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<v Speaker 1>who was active in the Latin Kings. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>there was anyone closer to Kate after vow who cared

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<v Speaker 1>then remember that, in fact, Kato is the very reason

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<v Speaker 1>Jane met Val in the first place. Men had a

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<v Speaker 1>club fifteen years old, and when I saw I was like, wow, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>who the fuck is that like? And I instantly put

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<v Speaker 1>it together because I had heard people talking about her.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked expensive. You know, I'm at a club. Shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even be at the club. It's actually over, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the Kado and all his friends roll

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<v Speaker 1>up and they don't want to let him in the

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<v Speaker 1>club because they know who he is that they're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let him and bangs on the window. Twin go

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<v Speaker 1>call that girl over there and tell her to come outside,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, we're in the club, what girl you

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<v Speaker 1>you know? But as I was saying, I turned and look,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew exactly who he was talking about. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>I went over and I tapped it excuse me, and

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<v Speaker 1>she looked like yeah. I'm like, Kaid was calling you.

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<v Speaker 1>He's outside. He said, he wants you to go outside.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, huh, the kid who wants you to

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<v Speaker 1>go outside? Why doesn't he come in. I'm like, day

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<v Speaker 1>didn't let him in. She's like, how did you get in?

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<v Speaker 1>And she looked annoyed. She decided she walked out, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just kind of glanced at him, like wow. I

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<v Speaker 1>really really liked him as a person, and every time

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<v Speaker 1>he would come around, I would just get very happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt some type of connection. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>that was, like some type of chemistry, but not in

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<v Speaker 1>a bad way, just because you know, I was married.

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<v Speaker 1>I was married to Kato. You know, I love my husband,

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<v Speaker 1>very faithful to him. But I just loved you as

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<v Speaker 1>a friend so much that I would try to like

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<v Speaker 1>cook him up with like all the baddest girlfriends that

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<v Speaker 1>I had. Kato had a giant tattoo across his chest

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<v Speaker 1>declaring his love for vow with the words destined Forever

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<v Speaker 1>my Queen Valerie. He had been convicted of attempted murder

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<v Speaker 1>and was also deeply involved in the music industry. He

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<v Speaker 1>was close with DMX, Fat Joe Busta Rhymes, and Kanye West.

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<v Speaker 1>Katle was murdered. That was pregnant time. I was devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the hardest day that I had ever got through,

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<v Speaker 1>especially just a relationship that I had of a kiddle.

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<v Speaker 1>He was my everything. Kato was shot and killed sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in a barber's chair getting his hair cut. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually in the middle of watching the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and three NBA Finals between the San Antonio Spurs

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<v Speaker 1>and the New Jersey Nets. His death was a contract killing,

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<v Speaker 1>ordered after he allegedly stole a hundred and fifty kilos

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<v Speaker 1>of cocaine from the Cineloa cartel. Notorious killer and boss

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<v Speaker 1>of the Four Corner Hustlers gang Lebart romance Span was

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<v Speaker 1>recently convicted of hiring the hitman Squeaky Simmons to gun

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<v Speaker 1>Cato down. After he died, DMX released a tribute song

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<v Speaker 1>Ao Kato, which featured vow when Kip a week he

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<v Speaker 1>depended on me, so we were together every be Probably

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<v Speaker 1>after that, I just felt this connection with Jail, was

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<v Speaker 1>so in love with him, and I just didn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't care what people said. I didn't care if

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<v Speaker 1>people knew. I didn't care what they were going to think.

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<v Speaker 1>When Jen will come around, like my face will light up.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just felt his positive energy. As much as

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<v Speaker 1>he was there for me, I wanted to be there

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<v Speaker 1>for him. I fell in love with him. I never

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<v Speaker 1>loved somebody the way that I loved Jay. Nobody. Her

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<v Speaker 1>connection is so strong, and I think that he knows

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<v Speaker 1>everything about me, my good qualities, my bad qualities. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing that he doesn't know about me. He brought me

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<v Speaker 1>back when Candle did passed away. I felt like I

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<v Speaker 1>could fill her shes and then I realized, like, no

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<v Speaker 1>what any of this stuff. I just want to be

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<v Speaker 1>with Ja. I just want to, you know, be his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and he had his children, and just be with him.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there's just on spoken kla that you had

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<v Speaker 1>to rate, like a year at least when something casses

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<v Speaker 1>the way of a while, what you're like. And I

0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:34.720
<v Speaker 1>fell in love with Jay instantly. At first, everyone thought

0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the twins were behind Kato's death. The way their business

0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.320
<v Speaker 1>started dominating the streets of Chicago and their growing connections

0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.760
<v Speaker 1>to the Cineloa cartel didn't help the rumors, but it

0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.119
<v Speaker 1>was the way Jay and Val were inseparable in the

0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:53.119
<v Speaker 1>immediate aftermath of Kato's death. That really got the gossip

0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:58.920
<v Speaker 1>train going. When I was with Jay, You're in Chicago,

0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and I know that Jay and Peter were having a

0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:06.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of issues because me and Jay were together. It

0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:08.840
<v Speaker 1>caused a lot of problems. That you two go together,

0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.320
<v Speaker 1>it caused a lot of problems. It's just even for

0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:18.359
<v Speaker 1>their business. I felt like that's it. I just wanted

0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:23.720
<v Speaker 1>to live a normal life, and I just felt like Jay.

0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to change him. And I think that every

0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.800
<v Speaker 1>woman that falls in love with somebody, they think that

0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.159
<v Speaker 1>they can change the person they're in love with, and

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.600
<v Speaker 1>they can convince them to do something differently. I knew

0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.399
<v Speaker 1>that this life was nothing but tragedy and devastation, and

0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.320
<v Speaker 1>that they were either going to go to prison for

0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:40.879
<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life or they're gonna end up

0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:45.480
<v Speaker 1>dead like Cato, and I didn't want that for them.

0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I tried, and I tried, and I tried to convince

0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Jay all the time, and I know that him and

0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Peter fought over it, Peter being really upset at me

0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.560
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't happened to fall in love with somebody.

0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:04.679
<v Speaker 1>He didn't prove what they affected affected so much of

0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:11.200
<v Speaker 1>our lives. They also looking in I feel like you

0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.639
<v Speaker 1>should is that you should? You're making the magic. They

0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.040
<v Speaker 1>could create a problem, and they created a prompt just

0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:18.680
<v Speaker 1>passed away, but like you're putting your hard in the

0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:25.240
<v Speaker 1>wrong place. Peter was wearing a bulletproof vest. It created

0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot in their business, especially what they were doing.

0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.359
<v Speaker 1>There was already so many risks that were happening, and

0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.800
<v Speaker 1>then with this they felt like Peter, I understand, his

0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.480
<v Speaker 1>business was in business and they nurtured this thing, they

0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.919
<v Speaker 1>grew it, they scaled it. It was something that like

0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:47.840
<v Speaker 1>that was his empire and Valcay with a lot of bags. Yeah,

0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I came in with a lot of baggage. And for

0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:54.680
<v Speaker 1>me to come in and for me to come in

0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.800
<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, kind of jeopardize what they had

0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.399
<v Speaker 1>going on was like you didn't want that extra you know,

0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.320
<v Speaker 1>risk and and that that danger, especially not in that city.

0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 1>The relationship with my brother, Valerie made the whole city

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to start talking talking, talking, talking tired. I think that

0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.040
<v Speaker 1>we're Valerate and who she was can when a lot

0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:22.000
<v Speaker 1>of people talking about her with that like or like

0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.560
<v Speaker 1>intrigue or whatever. The cases that would make people be

0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.680
<v Speaker 1>in her business and they feel like my brothers and

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.280
<v Speaker 1>were able to kind of be lokey for the nobody's

0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, in our own trickle in the cocaine, but

0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to have like maybe the phone light up and every

0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:42.479
<v Speaker 1>time they're talking to twin, you know, because of my

0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:51.399
<v Speaker 1>brothers were vow. Now it became like an issue. M

0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Apparently being attracted to the child of a cop was

0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:20.040
<v Speaker 1>something that seemed to run in the family. One of

0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the officers of the local gang units had a daughter

0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:29.560
<v Speaker 1>named vv that Pete was definitely interested in. I didn't

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.840
<v Speaker 1>imagine that Peter and Jr. Were selling drugs are and

0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a way to being who they who they became, no way.

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I just thought that they were just fun and and

0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:41.360
<v Speaker 1>we would go out and it would go to parties

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and to the lake and and it was just being

0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:52.200
<v Speaker 1>kids together. We met at fifteen fifteen, sixteen years old,

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:58.480
<v Speaker 1>so we didn't get together until we were Yeah, so

0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.960
<v Speaker 1>we were friends. I knew her dad before I knew

0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 1>her because like in a gang union, and he patrolled

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood and everyone knew him. He patrolled the area

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and we had our own encounters without you know, like

0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.000
<v Speaker 1>being part of the team that readed her at home

0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 1>where Peter came from. That neighborhood, my dad patrolled there,

0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 1>so that's where my dad would go and risk his

0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:31.480
<v Speaker 1>life every day for so you know, being from the neighborhood,

0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:38.960
<v Speaker 1>my father didn't want me affiliating with anyone. When I

0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>first seen I thought she was like the most beautiful

0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:48.240
<v Speaker 1>woman in the world. I submerged myself into this big world,

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.040
<v Speaker 1>even in Chicago. I means people think that it just

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:55.040
<v Speaker 1>happened in Mexico, but in Chicago, the world was really

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:59.400
<v Speaker 1>really big already when I was around that, I've seen

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.639
<v Speaker 1>that it was maybe too big for me, and I

0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see myself living that life with him. But I

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 1>definitely knew that the people that I was already choosing

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.119
<v Speaker 1>before him weren't good enough for me either. So I

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:19.200
<v Speaker 1>think that's where my heart was like torn, Like Okay,

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.400
<v Speaker 1>so I have this great guy who is the perfect

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 1>man for me, but his life was not what I wanted.

0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:29.399
<v Speaker 1>And during that time, I was going to school to

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:31.560
<v Speaker 1>be a core reporter. I was in college, I was

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 1>working in a transportation business, so I had my own life.

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I lived a totally opposite life like he was up

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.560
<v Speaker 1>all night and I had to sleep at eight o'clock

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.679
<v Speaker 1>because my day started five in the morning. So his

0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:47.399
<v Speaker 1>life was totally different than mine, and I felt like

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.440
<v Speaker 1>we weren't going to be able to live that life again.

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.719
<v Speaker 1>It's ironic that I'm sitting here and um with this

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the man of my dreams, and he's plotting the streets

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 1>of Chicago with drugs, and then my dad, I see

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 1>him and he's putting on his uniform and he's risking

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:15.960
<v Speaker 1>his life every day. Yeah, and during that time, he

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 1>would leave a roles in my car every day. So

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:20.199
<v Speaker 1>when I would go to work, I would, you know,

0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 1>take my little roles in my little office cubicle. When

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I was going to school, I take my roles with me,

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>so you know, I was always reminded that he was there.

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>It was exciting to walk around and feel like I

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 1>just think that, No, Chicago's a big gangster like world.

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Like let me talk about al Capone in those days,

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 1>in that era provision and he we are in the

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 1>eral crack cocaine and cocaine, you know, and to be

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:08.560
<v Speaker 1>at that height, you know, to be making minutes of

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:13.199
<v Speaker 1>thousand a month. We were selling the drugs like that.

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Since two thousand, two thousand one, I could probably do

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.160
<v Speaker 1>it like someone else that's like career in twenty years

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:26.120
<v Speaker 1>in a month. Yeah, because we started off like even

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>back in two thousands, like we're moving a thousand kids

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 1>a month. They hundred kid a little month. How much

0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 1>does that quate to in my name? We're either making

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 1>two and a halveen and dollars a month. And at

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the same time we're growing into different you know cities,

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 1>like I told you we started hitting the road to

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee was one of the first places we went to.

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's in Minnesota to Ohio. I remember like

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 1>sending fifty keys to Columbus and thinking, I made an

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 1>extra five thousands a killo on me tune and fifty

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>in twelve days. I could do that twice a month

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 1>just with fifty kilos. Yeah. Later on we went we

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:23.439
<v Speaker 1>expanded to Washington, d C. We can make ten dollars

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 1>a key from one part of the country to the

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 1>other part of the country. So we sent a hundred kilos.

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>We're making a million dollars and we were so like

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>happy about it. But those of us who aren't in

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 1>the game. Key is another word for kilo. You'll hear

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the Twins use it a lot. We're also losing all

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the money. I always used to say, Well, one thing

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>is for sure is that I lost way more than

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 1>your average, your most successful jobs that has ever made.

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I lost it. I had to pay, you know, and

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 1>the I said, it was a fun time to have,

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:04.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, apartments downtown and you know, in cars and

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>going out to the club and going out to eat,

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 1>and we had a dinner. The builty amounts like twenty dollars, right,

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:21.959
<v Speaker 1>So today I see, But at that time, I was like,

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't understand the way it looked from the outside.

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Inn Like you stupid punk, we're spending twentys and the dinner.

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>You think it's okay, Like I see it that my

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 1>brother Nad we probably easily pushed over a hundred thirty

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred forty tons, since I'm not bragging tons of companion.

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.679
<v Speaker 1>But understand the part where it says I saw BOS

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>delete that ship. I want that you told my absolute

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 1>ground level battle. They let us to this ship through

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 1>so all the way to the top of it perstructed.

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Business was well, let's say, booming for the Twins. But

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>in August of two thousand and three, things began to unravel.

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Pete quickly realized in the worst possible way that when

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>you have that kind of money, people start paying attention.

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget the thing because it's such a so

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>my experience, you know, cho's built to be kidnapped, no

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>one to be sitting there in you know, titled to

0:28:56.800 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the chairman, surrounded by plastic thing. Really that morning that

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>was mean, say, by one of our buildings where we

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>had our bikes, our choppers, part cycles. It was a

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>beautiful day every day it was sunny, and we're just

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>take it right downtown. Once I get there, it was

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>like I had a coff from one of one of

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>my customers, and I'm like, let me go take care

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>of that first. You guys go ahead. I'll meet up

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>with you later, but I'm just gonna head downtown. When

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I first pulled around the block, I had seen a

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>green Crown Victoria, like a cop looking car, part like

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>around the corner of the building. That struck me as odd.

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>So when I come around the block, around the building,

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm making my little around, I see a blazer seemed

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>like like in a corner with tints like I could

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>see like it was a perfect set up in a

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 1>perfect spot where it could see the building and see

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the rods, you know. So it struck me so weird

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 1>that I actually put the car in park. I jumped off.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I jumped off the car. I couldn't seen it, and

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I put my face like to the glass to see

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>if I can see if someone was in it. But

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>then we were accustomed to like give it this if

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>it is a badge or something. What we're you gonna

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>tell you get away from a car. So it was

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>empty though. So when we go back, my brothers are

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>at part like under the train tracks and see them leave,

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, okay, well I wait a little bit.

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm on the phone. We were supposed to actually jump

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>on the motorcycles. He called me over there to jump

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>on the motorcycles and go for a ride. At the end,

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>he decided he had something better to do and he said, no,

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going We're like what I'm not going? On?

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Like okay, So we jumped on moorcycles. I remember I

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 1>was actually there for a while and I kind of

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>see the car that he was talking about. I changed

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>changed into my most like a gear. I'm like alrighty

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>mm hmm. For some reason, I just headed back like

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Northfounder and the alleyway. Right when I'm getting to the corner,

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I see the north car pull up with his lights blinking.

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>They're kind of cutting me off into the alley. When

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I see him, like dude, I'm like, damn, there's somebody

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 1>watching me somewhere. Like they really almost cut me off,

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>like before you got to the end of the alley.

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>The minute they jumped out, they jumped out with their

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>guns out in their badges. They jumped out like with

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>there whatever special unit cats really proof vest and their

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 1>guns out. Put your hands up, put it. Then that

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>goings out here. But I put my hands up, you know.

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>They're kind of st around the car. That get the

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:05.239
<v Speaker 1>fun the car and you're love and then where's the gun?

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Where's that? You know, and they're kind of like rushing.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I love mem We're staring at the Caucasian meal. They

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>look a lot of funny, Like I looked at him

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and he has classes unto him, just staring at his

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>face before he would even let me like answer a question,

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>he's asking me another one. He has his best I'm

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>trying to see the what logos they have on their

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>on their vest, you know, because you see where the

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>fun is the gun, where the guys, where the other

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 1>guys at Now he wouldn't even let me ask one question.

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>So right a way you put like you turned me

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>around and don't fucking me, he asked me. He puts

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the company and turn around and the other guy comes

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to me, puts the cups on, and then I can

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>see the other guy like he walks me back to

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the squawker. Yea, he needs to put him in the

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>back of the car. Card. I remember hearing him saying,

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>grab his bag of phones. Yeah, it's f funny, like

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>like I had a bag of like through my mind

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>on team, like like what's this about? Like man and

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>the Feds finally coming once I'm in the back of

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 1>that cop card handcock, but I don't see a radio

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and they pull out the alley like for like making

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>speaks or like trying to get away from them and

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>that kind of word you know that they leave my

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>truck sitting in the middle a little alley. It didn't

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>feel good. I'm waiting for like to see you know

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>there you know, vehicles out there, police presence. Thank for

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>like what you call drug busters. There were other vehicles,

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>but there was just that one was just that one

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like took me like a little bit.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I was a little shocked at that. So I'm kind

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>of looking around to see what else I see. So

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>when they say we're the other ones, I'm thinking, did

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.720
<v Speaker 1>they go like follow my brother and they're trying to

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>get you out time? And I remember when he asked me,

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>what the fund you have about all these bombs for now?

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.399
<v Speaker 1>I was like thinking of giving him a bullshit story.

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, what the fund do you have me

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>in the back of the car for? Do you have

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 1>me in the back of cards for a reason? Like

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 1>just ignoring me? They take off and they stopped like

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>in a busy two way street. Remember this is like

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>two o'clock in the afternoon. It's a sunny day, you know,

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>right in front of like the kiss and ride of

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the train stations. So there's people like walking around and

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>then going to their cars, jumping off the train and stuff.

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>And they pull into like an empty like all bandon

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 1>like a lot, and I see a band sitting there,

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 1>a white band and it has a blue line across it,

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>like a double blue line, like that Chicago policeman like

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:18.359
<v Speaker 1>a Patty wagon and look at the driver. The driver

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 1>has like a hat on, sunglasses, we're like long curly hair,

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:25.919
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, when I see the curly here, I'm like, damn,

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 1>that looks like a wig. When they get out the

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>car and they they kind of like brushing me off

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the back seat, I'm so handcuffed that moment. I just

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>have to tell you that I thought my knees go

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 1>a little week. It doesn't feel right, you know. I

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>remember thinking like I wish I could run. They just

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>instanct I want to run, And I remember grabbed me hard,

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 1>like and where the fund you going, you know, And

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>they've kind of walked me, almost carried me to the

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>at leasta, you know, and opened the back door. I mean,

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>he just didn't feel right. Pulls the gun out and

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>he has to turn my back knee, pulls him into

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the van. He puts up. I could feel the gun

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 1>in the back in my upper bag and he's like,

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>don't fucking move, you know, And I could hear him

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and he cracks like a a hat, you know, like

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>a winter hat, and he puts it over back. But

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.439
<v Speaker 1>he brings it out to my eyes and I could

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>hear him that you had the tape. While he's doing

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, look, you got me, and you the cops?

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Are you the real cops? And they shut the funk up.

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, look, man, you got me. I'm in the

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>back line. I ain't going nowhere like you got me,

0:36:53.760 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 1>just I'm just asking a question. He was like, I

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>ain't a cop. M hm h m hmm. By the

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 1>time he's already putting the tape one in mine or

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 1>the hat and I don't covering my eyes. I went

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>through your mind when he said I ain't knowing cough,

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>it was like, damn, you got me. This is not

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:47.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna go go. Would you almost to be rosery being cops? Yeah,

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the cops are gonna take me to jail. It might

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>stop me up a little bit. But that's what struck

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>me as out that you know, Chicao police like they

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>don't do stuff like this. I'm not, like, you know,

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 1>worried of Chicago police. I was nervous though, but my

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>mind was just thinking, how do I make this, you know,

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 1>go wey as fast as possible. My brother and I

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:18.320
<v Speaker 1>had a garage in the neighbor that we had for years,

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 1>and we had a older car. We had took the

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.840
<v Speaker 1>era all the tires and stuff and disconnect the battery,

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and we had like we had like three kilos that

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 1>we have been sitting for like a year and a

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>half two years that were a poor quality that he

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>never took back. I got could get there in ten minutes.

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>That's the first thing that came to my mind. And

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:47.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, look, I got three kidos ten minutes away

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>from it. We ain't gotta go far. You can have them,

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>and we ain't gotta go nowhere. And we're worried me

0:38:56.480 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 1>that he didn't jump like test three D Hello. And

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>when we say these things, don't think that this is common.

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, Like this ain't like a

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>normal for you to have, you know, a hundred kilo

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>city somewhere. That came back and put his knee in

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:16.719
<v Speaker 1>my back and said, I'm sorry to tell you this,

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:23.919
<v Speaker 1>but you're gonna need more than that. When he told

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 1>me that, I was like, who the fund does he

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>think he has? A lot of things went to my mind,

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>like singing and good you know. He stood in the

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>back of the van with me and the passenger, which

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>was like he was like six four. He drove away.

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember trying to keep up with the turns, you know,

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>like one thing that my brother and I did. We

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>were around the street up down, like when knew every alley,

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>every corner, every street of the city, you know, and

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to keep up to where they were going.

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 1>They spun me around pretty well though, I'm thinking I'm

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 1>somewhere like off the first habitue. Pull me into a

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 1>garage and it's hot. I mean it's like ninety five degrees.

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Everything's just you know, muggy out there. And I could

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.399
<v Speaker 1>see the garage store was like see through. I've seen

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the sun coming through. And they're talking. There's other people there,

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:03.359
<v Speaker 1>and then he has my phone. Heck, look, man, who

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:04.799
<v Speaker 1>do you want to call? This is gonna help you.

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.359
<v Speaker 1>You wanna call your brother? And I want to call

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 1>my brother. And I picked our associate because he had

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>direct access to these three kiddos, like one of our workers,

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>and he grabbed the phone and he's like here, call him. Oh.

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I remember telling him, look, they got me, they got me. Man,

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna put these dudes on phone. Do whatever they

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 1>ask you for. Just listen to him he was like, like,

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 1>what the fun is talking? Whot they get out of you?

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Stop playing? I'm serious, or like I'm gonna put him

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>on the phone. Just do whatever they say. Real they

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>got me, he was like what I could hear his

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 1>voice is kind of change and um. Then they slowly

0:41:56.800 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 1>like walk me. They he stepped me all the way

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>to like the side images of a home. I could

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 1>see like the cement driveway now but I can't really see.

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 1>So they're walking me slow and they pull me into

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the side and they walked me down the stairs like

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I could see the stairs kind of coming down the

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 1>minute hit that basement. I could hear parrot, a parrot,

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.279
<v Speaker 1>a bird, like I hear a lot of bird, you know.

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And I remember they kind of cut me into the

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>right and he walked me and I could then I

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:54.280
<v Speaker 1>could feel the like plastic under my feet. You felt

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.239
<v Speaker 1>like you're stepping on the garbage bag, you know. But

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>it was like I could see later that was clear plastic,

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 1>like just like a big plastic tarp. And it was

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 1>not only did it cover the floor, but it kind

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>of covered up like he went up and they sent

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.399
<v Speaker 1>me down in the middle of there's a rocking chair.

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 1>They sent me on the rocky chair, and they tied

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>me up to the rocking chair, tided my chest up,

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>tip my legs up on up to the rocking chair

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>with rope, and they do my feet with dust tack.

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.919
<v Speaker 1>But he put, oh, there's like a like a weird

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 1>belt rope, like I'm not sure what it was, but

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.799
<v Speaker 1>I could feel around my chest and it was weird

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 1>about the rocket chair. It made me think that these

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 1>people they did this before, because every time I moved up,

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 1>it would rock me. It would almost impossible to get

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 1>off of the rocket chair. Every time I try to

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>sit up, you know, I end up rocking back. They

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say much. I just hear the stupid bird and

0:43:55.560 --> 0:44:00.040
<v Speaker 1>the noise and talking, you know, same weird thing that

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 1>he was saying, fuck you or something. I'm not sure

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:03.320
<v Speaker 1>what he was saying. He was saying something like that

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 1>head yeah, the pair, like I can hear, and like

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I could pick my eyes up, and I remember seeing

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 1>all like a work overalls, like construction overalls, like hanging

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 1>from like a pipe. I spent like hours sitting in

0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the chair just thinking, like in silence, kind of beside

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:30.919
<v Speaker 1>the stupid bird. What did he make you think. When

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the fact that there was plastic and there was a

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>rocking chair, I mean, there was only one thing. I

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:37.839
<v Speaker 1>think that they were gonna either kill me or trying

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>to torturing me into the tunnel. Something in my head,

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:44.799
<v Speaker 1>I was going through the motion and I'm like they

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>started torturing me, like they're gonna let me go. I

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't let me go, So just thinking what I wouldn't say,

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, And I was thinking about my brother, like, man,

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I hope he's okay. Whatever it was at that time

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>when I put my friend on the phone. At the

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.399
<v Speaker 1>same time, I wanted to create like a separation from

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 1>my brother. Had like the last thing I needed to

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>spend them to grab him. So trying to protect jack Ah.

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I spent the first couple of hours like that, and

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I would hear them come in and now I could

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:22.360
<v Speaker 1>hear them whispering. Remember they ordered pizza. I'm like, I

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>wish and you were kind of pizza they ordered, just

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 1>like I knew where I was at, you know, like, well,

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 1>once it got late, I remember they come back and

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 1>they take me out the rocky chair and they walked

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:47.360
<v Speaker 1>into the other side way. They had like a sofa

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:51.319
<v Speaker 1>and a TV set up, and I could once they

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 1>lay me down and they tied me up to a

0:45:53.760 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>pipe with handcuffs, and the guy comes in, the guy

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>who's watching over me. He's kind of like, you're all

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 1>right man, you know he's talking to me. I ask

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>me questions. You all right, you know, we don't want

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 1>to hurt you, man, unless we have to. But it's

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:24.000
<v Speaker 1>like we need you. We're gonna come back. He does, ma,

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and he kind of pass me. He's like, you know,

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.319
<v Speaker 1>you're really good at what you're doing, but we're good

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 1>at what we do. I remember just thinking like, you're

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 1>an asshole. So I sleep stuck to a pipe like

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 1>after the next two days, like and I can look

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 1>up and I can see the stupid biggest parrots. White's

0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:47.840
<v Speaker 1>huge in the big okay, and it's talking almost all

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>nine in the morning. You know, they don't have times

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 1>whereould be quiet, and here we go again. It was

0:46:54.719 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>just annoying me. I remember, like the next evening, I

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:04.359
<v Speaker 1>hear a lot of movement and I hear the guy

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that that first drove me come downstairs, rushed down stairs.

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:10.440
<v Speaker 1>He test me, yo, listen, man, I'm gonna put your

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>brother on the phone. He fucking up. He playing with

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 1>your life. Man, You're better tell him to get serious,

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 1>you know. And that's the first time you let me

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 1>call my brother. I remember just saying Jay, man, just

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 1>don't play with him. Do whatever you gotta do and quick.

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I love him. I can imagine where he was going through,

0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 1>numb but at that time, it was just like, how's

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 1>this gonna add At least I take off and go

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 1>down tom m hmmm, I'm Drey ran down talents or afternoon.

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:04.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't hear my phone. I'm uh any attention. I

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.279
<v Speaker 1>stopped at the light and I decided to look at

0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>my phone, and I have like probably any miscalls. So

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I know this is a problem from different people, and

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:15.239
<v Speaker 1>it was from different people whom the main cause were

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 1>from my one of our associatesment, which was I considered

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.319
<v Speaker 1>him like he was our first worker. He was like

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 1>right hand man for both of us, right like that

0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>would handle every team. So I know this is a problem.

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 1>During the mother stuck off, I'm like, hey, let's going,

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 1>He's like, hey, I've been calling you, Like what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, they came up your brother. I said, what

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<v Speaker 1>He's nervous, like they just kick up your brothers. They

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<v Speaker 1>call me talking about they wanted me to give me

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred kids. I said what, like again and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>where are you from downtown? You know I'll meet you

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<v Speaker 1>my oprah, all right, I'll meet you down mooning like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's the way they'll be their intent m

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<v Speaker 1>hm hunter thing going through my mind. I was scared

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<v Speaker 1>for my brother, like really scared. I was nervous for him,

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<v Speaker 1>like I didn't have to be there to pure he

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<v Speaker 1>was feeling, I think, anxiety of like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope he's okay. I started calling all the workers

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<v Speaker 1>coming me now it's just calming me. Now. I called

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<v Speaker 1>some of my main customers who I considered to me

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<v Speaker 1>like really good friends, and I'm like talking to him

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<v Speaker 1>like they cannot and that's crazy. That w was just

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<v Speaker 1>widom like what happened or how m My worker gets

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<v Speaker 1>there and he gets to wear a couple of guys

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<v Speaker 1>and he runs. He's like, here's the phone, like his phone.

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<v Speaker 1>They said you're gonna call back in thirty minutes. They

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<v Speaker 1>said they want three hundred keys. They put your brother

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone and your brother said give him whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>They ask for was I get the phone call. I

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<v Speaker 1>still remember that day hearing the voice. I'm saying, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, hello, who is this is his brother? All perfect?

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<v Speaker 1>So listen, I got your brother. Don't worry. He's good.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. He's said for mistreat mnity as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you corporate. You'm like, okay. He said, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>undrew keys. I said, hey, listen, you know who you got. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what I want to do. What makes you

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<v Speaker 1>think that I won't be able to give you three?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way it talks him. Come and get real.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like men you have in desperate unifiguer. That's next.

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