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Speaker 1: He was my everything. Kato was shot and killed sitting

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Speaker 1: guns out in their badges. They jumped out like with

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00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: there whatever special unit cats really proof vest and their

430
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: guns out. Put your hands up, put it. Then that

431
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: goings out here. But I put my hands up, you know.

432
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: They're kind of st around the car. That get the

433
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 1: fun the car and you're love and then where's the gun?

434
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: Where's that? You know, and they're kind of like rushing.

435
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: I love mem We're staring at the Caucasian meal. They

436
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: look a lot of funny, Like I looked at him

437
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: and he has classes unto him, just staring at his

438
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: face before he would even let me like answer a question,

439
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: he's asking me another one. He has his best I'm

440
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: trying to see the what logos they have on their

441
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: on their vest, you know, because you see where the

442
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: fun is the gun, where the guys, where the other

443
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: guys at Now he wouldn't even let me ask one question.

444
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: So right a way you put like you turned me

445
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: around and don't fucking me, he asked me. He puts

446
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: the company and turn around and the other guy comes

447
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: to me, puts the cups on, and then I can

448
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: see the other guy like he walks me back to

449
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: the squawker. Yea, he needs to put him in the

450
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: back of the car. Card. I remember hearing him saying,

451
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: grab his bag of phones. Yeah, it's f funny, like

452
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: like I had a bag of like through my mind

453
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: on team, like like what's this about? Like man and

454
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: the Feds finally coming once I'm in the back of

455
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: that cop card handcock, but I don't see a radio

456
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: and they pull out the alley like for like making

457
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: speaks or like trying to get away from them and

458
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: that kind of word you know that they leave my

459
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: truck sitting in the middle a little alley. It didn't

460
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: feel good. I'm waiting for like to see you know

461
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: there you know, vehicles out there, police presence. Thank for

462
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: like what you call drug busters. There were other vehicles,

463
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: but there was just that one was just that one

464
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of like took me like a little bit.

465
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: I was a little shocked at that. So I'm kind

466
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: of looking around to see what else I see. So

467
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: when they say we're the other ones, I'm thinking, did

468
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: they go like follow my brother and they're trying to

469
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: get you out time? And I remember when he asked me,

470
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: what the fund you have about all these bombs for now?

471
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: I was like thinking of giving him a bullshit story.

472
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what the fund do you have me

473
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: in the back of the car for? Do you have

474
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: me in the back of cards for a reason? Like

475
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: just ignoring me? They take off and they stopped like

476
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: in a busy two way street. Remember this is like

477
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: two o'clock in the afternoon. It's a sunny day, you know,

478
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: right in front of like the kiss and ride of

479
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: the train stations. So there's people like walking around and

480
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: then going to their cars, jumping off the train and stuff.

481
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: And they pull into like an empty like all bandon

482
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: like a lot, and I see a band sitting there,

483
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: a white band and it has a blue line across it,

484
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: like a double blue line, like that Chicago policeman like

485
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: a Patty wagon and look at the driver. The driver

486
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: has like a hat on, sunglasses, we're like long curly hair,

487
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: and I'm like, when I see the curly here, I'm like, damn,

488
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: that looks like a wig. When they get out the

489
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: car and they they kind of like brushing me off

490
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: the back seat, I'm so handcuffed that moment. I just

491
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: have to tell you that I thought my knees go

492
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: a little week. It doesn't feel right, you know. I

493
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: remember thinking like I wish I could run. They just

494
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: instanct I want to run, And I remember grabbed me hard,

495
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: like and where the fund you going, you know, And

496
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: they've kind of walked me, almost carried me to the

497
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: at leasta, you know, and opened the back door. I mean,

498
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: he just didn't feel right. Pulls the gun out and

499
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: he has to turn my back knee, pulls him into

500
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: the van. He puts up. I could feel the gun

501
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: in the back in my upper bag and he's like,

502
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: don't fucking move, you know, And I could hear him

503
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: and he cracks like a a hat, you know, like

504
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: a winter hat, and he puts it over back. But

505
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: he brings it out to my eyes and I could

506
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: hear him that you had the tape. While he's doing

507
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, you got me, and you the cops?

508
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: Are you the real cops? And they shut the funk up.

509
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, man, you got me. I'm in the

510
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: back line. I ain't going nowhere like you got me,

511
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: just I'm just asking a question. He was like, I

512
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: ain't a cop. M hm h m hmm. By the

513
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: time he's already putting the tape one in mine or

514
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: the hat and I don't covering my eyes. I went

515
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: through your mind when he said I ain't knowing cough,

516
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: it was like, damn, you got me. This is not

517
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: gonna go go. Would you almost to be rosery being cops? Yeah,

518
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: the cops are gonna take me to jail. It might

519
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: stop me up a little bit. But that's what struck

520
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: me as out that you know, Chicao police like they

521
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: don't do stuff like this. I'm not, like, you know,

522
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: worried of Chicago police. I was nervous though, but my

523
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: mind was just thinking, how do I make this, you know,

524
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: go wey as fast as possible. My brother and I

525
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: had a garage in the neighbor that we had for years,

526
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: and we had a older car. We had took the

527
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: era all the tires and stuff and disconnect the battery,

528
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: and we had like we had like three kilos that

529
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: we have been sitting for like a year and a

530
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: half two years that were a poor quality that he

531
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: never took back. I got could get there in ten minutes.

532
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: That's the first thing that came to my mind. And

533
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I got three kidos ten minutes away

534
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: from it. We ain't gotta go far. You can have them,

535
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: and we ain't gotta go nowhere. And we're worried me

536
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: that he didn't jump like test three D Hello. And

537
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: when we say these things, don't think that this is common.

538
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like this ain't like a

539
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: normal for you to have, you know, a hundred kilo

540
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: city somewhere. That came back and put his knee in

541
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: my back and said, I'm sorry to tell you this,

542
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: but you're gonna need more than that. When he told

543
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: me that, I was like, who the fund does he

544
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: think he has? A lot of things went to my mind,

545
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: like singing and good you know. He stood in the

546
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: back of the van with me and the passenger, which

547
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: was like he was like six four. He drove away.

548
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: I remember trying to keep up with the turns, you know,

549
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: like one thing that my brother and I did. We

550
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: were around the street up down, like when knew every alley,

551
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: every corner, every street of the city, you know, and

552
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep up to where they were going.

553
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: They spun me around pretty well though, I'm thinking I'm

554
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: somewhere like off the first habitue. Pull me into a

555
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: garage and it's hot. I mean it's like ninety five degrees.

556
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: Everything's just you know, muggy out there. And I could

557
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: see the garage store was like see through. I've seen

558
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: the sun coming through. And they're talking. There's other people there,

559
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: and then he has my phone. Heck, look, man, who

560
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: do you want to call? This is gonna help you.

561
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: You wanna call your brother? And I want to call

562
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: my brother. And I picked our associate because he had

563
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: direct access to these three kiddos, like one of our workers,

564
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: and he grabbed the phone and he's like here, call him. Oh.

565
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: I remember telling him, look, they got me, they got me. Man,

566
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put these dudes on phone. Do whatever they

567
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: ask you for. Just listen to him he was like, like,

568
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: what the fun is talking? Whot they get out of you?

569
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: Stop playing? I'm serious, or like I'm gonna put him

570
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: on the phone. Just do whatever they say. Real they

571
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: got me, he was like what I could hear his

572
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: voice is kind of change and um. Then they slowly

573
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: like walk me. They he stepped me all the way

574
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: to like the side images of a home. I could

575
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: see like the cement driveway now but I can't really see.

576
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: So they're walking me slow and they pull me into

577
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: the side and they walked me down the stairs like

578
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: I could see the stairs kind of coming down the

579
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: minute hit that basement. I could hear parrot, a parrot,

580
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: a bird, like I hear a lot of bird, you know.

581
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: And I remember they kind of cut me into the

582
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: right and he walked me and I could then I

583
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: could feel the like plastic under my feet. You felt

584
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: like you're stepping on the garbage bag, you know. But

585
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: it was like I could see later that was clear plastic,

586
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: like just like a big plastic tarp. And it was

587
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: not only did it cover the floor, but it kind

588
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: of covered up like he went up and they sent

589
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: me down in the middle of there's a rocking chair.

590
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: They sent me on the rocky chair, and they tied

591
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: me up to the rocking chair, tided my chest up,

592
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: tip my legs up on up to the rocking chair

593
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: with rope, and they do my feet with dust tack.

594
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: But he put, oh, there's like a like a weird

595
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: belt rope, like I'm not sure what it was, but

596
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: I could feel around my chest and it was weird

597
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: about the rocket chair. It made me think that these

598
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: people they did this before, because every time I moved up,

599
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: it would rock me. It would almost impossible to get

600
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: off of the rocket chair. Every time I try to

601
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: sit up, you know, I end up rocking back. They

602
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't say much. I just hear the stupid bird and

603
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: the noise and talking, you know, same weird thing that

604
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: he was saying, fuck you or something. I'm not sure

605
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: what he was saying. He was saying something like that

606
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: head yeah, the pair, like I can hear, and like

607
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: I could pick my eyes up, and I remember seeing

608
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: all like a work overalls, like construction overalls, like hanging

609
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: from like a pipe. I spent like hours sitting in

610
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: the chair just thinking, like in silence, kind of beside

611
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 1: the stupid bird. What did he make you think. When

612
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: the fact that there was plastic and there was a

613
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: rocking chair, I mean, there was only one thing. I

614
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: think that they were gonna either kill me or trying

615
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: to torturing me into the tunnel. Something in my head,

616
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: I was going through the motion and I'm like they

617
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: started torturing me, like they're gonna let me go. I

618
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me go, So just thinking what I wouldn't say,

619
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, And I was thinking about my brother, like, man,

620
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: I hope he's okay. Whatever it was at that time

621
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: when I put my friend on the phone. At the

622
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: same time, I wanted to create like a separation from

623
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: my brother. Had like the last thing I needed to

624
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: spend them to grab him. So trying to protect jack Ah.

625
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: I spent the first couple of hours like that, and

626
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: I would hear them come in and now I could

627
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: hear them whispering. Remember they ordered pizza. I'm like, I

628
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: wish and you were kind of pizza they ordered, just

629
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: like I knew where I was at, you know, like, well,

630
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: once it got late, I remember they come back and

631
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: they take me out the rocky chair and they walked

632
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: into the other side way. They had like a sofa

633
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: and a TV set up, and I could once they

634
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: lay me down and they tied me up to a

635
00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: pipe with handcuffs, and the guy comes in, the guy

636
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: who's watching over me. He's kind of like, you're all

637
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: right man, you know he's talking to me. I ask

638
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: me questions. You all right, you know, we don't want

639
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: to hurt you, man, unless we have to. But it's

640
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: like we need you. We're gonna come back. He does, ma,

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Speaker 1: and he kind of pass me. He's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're really good at what you're doing, but we're good

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Speaker 1: at what we do. I remember just thinking like, you're

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Speaker 1: an asshole. So I sleep stuck to a pipe like

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Speaker 1: after the next two days, like and I can look

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Speaker 1: up and I can see the stupid biggest parrots. White's

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Speaker 1: huge in the big okay, and it's talking almost all

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Speaker 1: nine in the morning. You know, they don't have times

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Speaker 1: whereould be quiet, and here we go again. It was

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Speaker 1: just annoying me. I remember, like the next evening, I

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Speaker 1: hear a lot of movement and I hear the guy

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Speaker 1: that that first drove me come downstairs, rushed down stairs.

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Speaker 1: He test me, yo, listen, man, I'm gonna put your

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Speaker 1: brother on the phone. He fucking up. He playing with

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Speaker 1: your life. Man, You're better tell him to get serious,

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Speaker 1: you know. And that's the first time you let me

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Speaker 1: call my brother. I remember just saying Jay, man, just

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Speaker 1: don't play with him. Do whatever you gotta do and quick.

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Speaker 1: I love him. I can imagine where he was going through,

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Speaker 1: numb but at that time, it was just like, how's

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Speaker 1: this gonna add At least I take off and go

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Speaker 1: down tom m hmmm, I'm Drey ran down talents or afternoon.

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Speaker 1: I can't hear my phone. I'm uh any attention. I

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Speaker 1: stopped at the light and I decided to look at

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Speaker 1: my phone, and I have like probably any miscalls. So

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Speaker 1: I know this is a problem from different people, and

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Speaker 1: it was from different people whom the main cause were

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Speaker 1: from my one of our associatesment, which was I considered

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Speaker 1: him like he was our first worker. He was like

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Speaker 1: right hand man for both of us, right like that

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Speaker 1: would handle every team. So I know this is a problem.

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Speaker 1: During the mother stuck off, I'm like, hey, let's going,

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Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I've been calling you, Like what happened.

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Speaker 1: He's like, they came up your brother. I said, what

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Speaker 1: He's nervous, like they just kick up your brothers. They

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Speaker 1: call me talking about they wanted me to give me

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Speaker 1: two hundred kids. I said what, like again and he's like,

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Speaker 1: where are you from downtown? You know I'll meet you

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Speaker 1: my oprah, all right, I'll meet you down mooning like

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the way they'll be their intent m

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Speaker 1: hm hunter thing going through my mind. I was scared

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Speaker 1: for my brother, like really scared. I was nervous for him,

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Speaker 1: like I didn't have to be there to pure he

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Speaker 1: was feeling, I think, anxiety of like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I hope he's okay. I started calling all the workers

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Speaker 1: coming me now it's just calming me. Now. I called

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Speaker 1: some of my main customers who I considered to me

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Speaker 1: like really good friends, and I'm like talking to him

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Speaker 1: like they cannot and that's crazy. That w was just

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Speaker 1: widom like what happened or how m My worker gets

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Speaker 1: there and he gets to wear a couple of guys

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Speaker 1: and he runs. He's like, here's the phone, like his phone.

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Speaker 1: They said you're gonna call back in thirty minutes. They

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Speaker 1: said they want three hundred keys. They put your brother

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Speaker 1: on the phone and your brother said give him whatever.

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Speaker 1: They ask for was I get the phone call. I

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Speaker 1: still remember that day hearing the voice. I'm saying, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I said, hello, who is this is his brother? All perfect?

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Speaker 1: So listen, I got your brother. Don't worry. He's good.

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Speaker 1: You know. He's said for mistreat mnity as long as

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Speaker 1: you corporate. You'm like, okay. He said, I need to

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Speaker 1: undrew keys. I said, hey, listen, you know who you got. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know what I want to do. What makes you

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Speaker 1: think that I won't be able to give you three?

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Speaker 1: That's the way it talks him. Come and get real.

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Speaker 1: He's like men you have in desperate unifiguer. That's next.

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