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Speaker 1: From FRO Media and PRX It's Latino USA. I'm Maria

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Speaker 1: jo Josa today discussing the Oscar nominated film Emilia Pees

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Speaker 1: with film thinkers from Mexico and the US. To say

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Speaker 1: the film Emilia Petes has been polarizing might be an understatement.

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Speaker 1: It has emerged as both a standout in the awards circle,

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Speaker 1: many Latinos in the US and in Mexico. The memes abound.

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Speaker 1: But dear listener, before we even get into the film itself,

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you that just after we recorded

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Speaker 1: the conversation that you're about to hear, there were tweets

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Speaker 1: that the lead actress, Cadla Sophia Gasco and had posted

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Speaker 1: a few years ago. And while they resurfaced and they

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Speaker 1: were not good. Fifty two year old transgender actress had

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Speaker 1: posted about George Floyd using racist language. She posted anti

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Speaker 1: Islamic rants, and she said that the oscars were looking

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Speaker 1: more and more like Black Lives Matter protests. Back then.

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Speaker 1: She also used anti Asian language during the pandemic, and well,

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Speaker 1: the list goes on. Gascon The actress has since apologized

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Speaker 1: publicly on social media, and in an interview with CNN

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Speaker 1: En Espanol.

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Speaker 2: Miss macin atas personas case Sentio AIDA's pro last formats.

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Speaker 1: The espresser mean, but the Academy has since removed the

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Speaker 1: actress from the pre Oscars publicity tours. All right, now,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get back to talking about the film itself.

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Speaker 1: It isn't your typical Awards season drama. The Media bet

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Speaker 1: Is is a wild mix of musical crime thriller and

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Speaker 1: a social commentary film. The story is set in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: It's the tale of a powerful Mexican drug cartel leader

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Speaker 1: who undergoes a gender transition while seeking redemption from being

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Speaker 1: a big bad narco. It's written and directed by Jacques Oudiad.

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Speaker 1: He is French. The film's three lead actors are not

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Speaker 1: Mexican and none of the scenes were even filmed in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: So a media that has sparked its fair share of

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Speaker 1: controversy in Mexico, with many critics condemning its inaccurate accents

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Speaker 1: and slang and its skewed portrayal of social issues, leading

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Speaker 2: The sutantop in San Sible, the Mexico. Mexico sobretodo atravees

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Speaker 1: It feels like a caricature of Mexico.

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Speaker 2: It stepnepongo lo milla prestatamando umaso conference, says Kirk MBAs.

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Speaker 1: The vino propos nil we see zois a Daniel's character

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Speaker 1: because clearly a French person thinks that they serve wine

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Speaker 1: in a flea market in Mexico. Na terris jo pretendendo

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Speaker 1: terras now. Some viewers and critics have hailed the film

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Speaker 1: as a visionary, genre breaking masterpiece, while others feel it

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Speaker 1: relies on old stereotypes and gimmicky cinematography tricks. Either way,

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Speaker 1: the film did win multiple Golden Globes, including is Aldanie's

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Speaker 1: win for Best Supporting Actress, which by the way I

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Speaker 1: and many others have praised.

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Speaker 3: My heart is full of gratitude.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much to the Golden Globes for celebrating

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Speaker 4: our film and honoring the women of Emilia Prees. Thank

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Speaker 4: you so much.

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Speaker 1: The film now has thirteen Oscar nominations, including Best Picture

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Speaker 1: and Best Actress for Call Sophia Gascon's portrayal of the

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Speaker 1: main character, Emania bettis the first openly transgender actress to

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Speaker 1: ever be nominated for an Oscar. So today we're asking

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Speaker 1: what does the film's reception say about the state of

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Speaker 1: So we're going to break it all down with you

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Speaker 1: today with film thinkers. Let's get started. Welcome all of

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Speaker 1: you to Latino Usay, all right, let's just go around

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Speaker 1: and introduce yourselves. We're going to start with you, Kiko.

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Speaker 5: My name is Squio Martinez. I'm based in San Antonio, Texas.

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Speaker 5: I've been a freelance film journalist since about two thousand

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Speaker 5: and two. I write for Outlet's all across the US.

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Speaker 1: Great Menido, Quiko, Fernande, tell us about yourself.

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Speaker 6: Hi, thank you well. I'm Fernandez Laro. I'm a film critic.

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Speaker 6: I've been doing this professionally since nineteen ninety seven. I think.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, not at all.

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Speaker 6: I still write a lot, mostly in Letters Libres magazine.

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Speaker 6: And you're based here in Mexico City. I'm in the

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Speaker 6: in the eye of the hurricane. As you can imagine.

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Speaker 6: Regarding Amelia Perez, Gonzalo.

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Speaker 7: I'm Gonzale Lida. I'm based in Mexico City. I'm a journalist.

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Speaker 7: I've been working talking about cinema and movies TV shows

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Speaker 1: And finally my friend and my colleague Antonia Serrajizo.

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Speaker 4: I am based in Los Angeles. I'm the host of

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Speaker 4: a podcast called Imperfect Paradise about things here in Southern California,

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Speaker 4: and I'm very interested in Emilia Betis from like the

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I want to hear what everybody's initial ideas

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Speaker 1: and reactions to Amelia bet Is. Geko start us off

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you know I had the first time I

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Speaker 5: out of can Right, and whether you love it or

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Speaker 5: hate it, there was no denying that it was unlike

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Speaker 5: anything that you had ever seen before, so kind of

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Speaker 5: reminded me of like a cross between a rocky horror

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Speaker 5: picture show and something more classical like a Lesbis.

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Speaker 8: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 5: It made my top ten films of the year. I

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Speaker 5: put it at number seven after seeing over, you know,

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Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty two hundred and seventy five months,

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Speaker 1: Definitely, all right, Antonia, what'd you say? So?

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Speaker 4: I watched Emilia Pettis in bed one night, and I

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Speaker 4: didn't really know what it was going to be about,

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Speaker 4: so every moment I was like what what? And I

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Speaker 4: actually found the experience of watching it pretty fun, Like

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Speaker 4: I was engaged the whole time. But I think it's

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Speaker 4: an offensive film. I think it was a big swing

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Speaker 4: and a miss, and I'm excited to get into all

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Speaker 4: of the intricacies of why.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that's some fighting words there to say that

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Speaker 1: the film is offensive, all right, is Steve Fernanda.

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Speaker 6: There were like cringe like moments like, oh my god,

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Speaker 6: this is not working well. But at the same time,

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Speaker 6: I was entertained all the time, which at this point,

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Speaker 6: you know, I really appreciate a film that makes you,

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Speaker 6: you know, like being what am I watching? Like Antonias,

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Speaker 6: like this is so different from what I've seen before.

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Speaker 6: And also at the back of my head, I kind

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Speaker 6: of foresaw all the anger that was going to provoke

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell you, Gonzalo, before I hand

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Speaker 1: an open mind. As you say, Fernanda, the waves of

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Speaker 1: anti Emilia Pees sentiment really started to come quickly. But

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you.

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Speaker 5: Then.

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Speaker 1: I called my mom in Mexico City, who's eighty eight

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Speaker 1: years old. Lemmmy, Mistela Pellicula Emilia Pees. Did you see

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Speaker 1: the film? And she goes, oh, my goodness. I watched

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Speaker 1: it twice. I wanted to see it a second time

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Speaker 1: to make sure I didn't miss anything. I loved it. Wow,

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Speaker 1: my mom, I know, all right, Gonzalo. That was the

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Speaker 1: lead up to you it too, Gonzalo.

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Speaker 7: I got the opportunity to watch the film quite early.

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Speaker 7: I got the chance to see it on a screening room.

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Speaker 7: I was not offended by it, and I'm still not

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Speaker 7: offended by it. I understand why people get offended by it,

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Speaker 7: but I think it's it's bonkers. It's such a rump

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Speaker 7: had so much fun. I really enjoyed hating many moments

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Speaker 7: of Amelia Peters, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So we actually want to take a moment and

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Speaker 1: takes place in Mexico, it's supposed to be all Mexican people.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, this is a film that was not

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Speaker 6: I want to.

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Speaker 1: Support artists to be able to do whatever they want

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Speaker 1: to do. But the director of the film, whose French.

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Speaker 1: His name is Jacques Audiad. He's also the writer. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even sure why he admitted it, but he admitted

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Speaker 1: it publicly that he didn't research Mexico at all before

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Speaker 1: making the film Wild Wild, right, Antonia. I Mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a part of me that's like, is that's On the

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Speaker 1: other hand, I'm like, well, for not having research Mexico

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Speaker 1: that's pretty hoodspot.

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Speaker 8: Of you to do that.

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Speaker 4: This is so interesting to me because I agree that

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Speaker 4: I think that's very reductive. This movie could have been

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Speaker 4: filmed anywhere, and I think that that's actually what makes

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Speaker 4: it offensive, is that like it's half trying to talk

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Speaker 4: that's crazy. You know, this is like the movie that

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Speaker 4: it's completely a fantasy. And I think that's the problem.

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Speaker 4: But I think there was just no world in which

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Speaker 4: going to be in poor taste.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, give us your takeaway, Keeko. In terms of the

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Speaker 5: Role, So, I've only been to Mexico City once and

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Speaker 1: And her greatest fear getting in the Mexico City airport.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was crazy, the greatest fear.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he'll make a movie about it.

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Speaker 8: I don't know, we'll see.

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Speaker 5: So when I'm watching it, I felt the same way

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Speaker 5: think that encapsulates everything that it is. So when we're

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Speaker 5: It felt in a fantasy land. I think that's exactly

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Speaker 5: and it even reminded me of and I didn't watch

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Speaker 1: So Fernanda bring your own stuff. As a Mexicana, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's like the worst she we're having right now as Mexicans.

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Speaker 1: The violence provoked by drop cardinals and all that. And

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Speaker 1: so why would a director place his musical He's cheery, weird,

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Speaker 1: you know, witty musical in a place where that is

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Speaker 6: The thing here is that I don't know. I think

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Speaker 6: I have a very personal reading of the film where

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Speaker 6: at the end it all comes down to eMedia Partans

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Speaker 6: couldn't escape from the violence in Mexico. I'm not talking

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Speaker 6: about transgender reinvention not being possible, but about the world

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Speaker 1: Actually, from my perspective in watching, one of my takeaways

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Speaker 7: Sinneapolis has this thing that they called like the Singapolis warranty.

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Speaker 1: Definitely coming up on Latino USA, the film Emilia Pees.

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Speaker 1: We're breaking it all down with you today with film

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to our conversation about the Golden Globe

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Speaker 1: winner and Oscar nominated film, Emilia Pees. And just a

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Speaker 1: us from Mexico Gonzalo Lira Galban and Fernande Solar Sandon

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Speaker 1: and from the US Antonia Serejidro and Chico Martinez. All Right,

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of talk about the movie as

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Speaker 1: Less Sophia Gas going for an Oscar. There were moments

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Speaker 1: I know that some of my trans friends have gone

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Speaker 1: But there has been a lot of criticism about this

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Speaker 9: I don't like that this film is already starting out

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Speaker 8: Okay, that's how you feel.

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Speaker 9: I did think it was pretty entertaining. Maybe that's just

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Speaker 9: It's wonderful that this movie has transrepresentation in it.

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Speaker 1: Do any of you think that this film and media

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Speaker 6: Well, of course, speaking from a place of not knowing

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Speaker 1: In making an ideal and idealism, yeah, the trans woman.

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Speaker 1: And then it's not like saying that she didn't have

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Speaker 6: It's depending on how you read it. I think it

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Speaker 5: I think it would be different. Of course, if you

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Speaker 8: But that's just not the case.

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Speaker 1: A very nice to meet. I like to know what

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Speaker 7: Men to woman, a woman to men, man to a

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Speaker 1: As Fernanda said, you know, there is the transformation of

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Speaker 1: the ending Okay, spoiler alert does the ending, which I

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Speaker 1: Yeah said, are you kidding me? Like I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, Gonzaldo. Is there an element though of

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Speaker 8: Finally getting to the real issues that I have with

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Speaker 7: We see this character transform from this cold blooded criminal

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Speaker 8: I think it just happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. I don't think it's like an operation.

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Speaker 1: It's going to take care of all of the horrible

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Speaker 5: It's like, I think there's a character arc, but I

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Speaker 8: Earn any of it?

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Speaker 1: So, the film Emilia Petties has authorized audiences, and I

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Speaker 4: To me, this year has been like a year of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with Adonia. I don't think there is one

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Speaker 5: It's like the Rubik's keep. Every time you twisted, there's

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Speaker 5: another problem that you have to solve. So, whether it's

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Speaker 5: community of musical peorists that don't understand how a film

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Speaker 5: like Emilia Bettas is getting more nominations and everything past wicked.

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Speaker 5: There's tons of people that are pushing against Emi betts

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Speaker 5: for completely different reasons.

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Speaker 6: I don't understand the thirteen nominations, to be honest, but

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Speaker 6: I think it is because maybe voters or I don't know,

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Speaker 6: are taking it very literally as about transgender representation. Like

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Speaker 6: wins because it's going to maybe be a voters stand

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Speaker 6: against Trump, and those are like all the wrong reasons

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Speaker 6: for a film to be awarded. I don't really see

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Speaker 7: I think it has to do with Hollywood always wanting

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Speaker 7: to be a moral compass, you know. I think that

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Speaker 7: this movie checks certain boxes that maybe don't work altogether,

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Speaker 7: and it ends up being a failure because it wants

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Speaker 7: to be so much that it ends up being absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, last last question. So to end our fascinating lively,

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Speaker 1: shall I say conversation. I'm curious whether or not you

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Speaker 1: think that this film and Bilia Petes is going to

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Speaker 1: have a lasting impact or is it going to kind

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Speaker 1: of fade into obscurity. It's having this big moment, Gigo.

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Speaker 1: Let's start off with you.

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Speaker 5: When you talk about it, if it's going to have

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Speaker 5: a lasting impression. I think something that would prove that

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Speaker 5: would be if any movies kind of try to come

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Speaker 5: behind it and do sort of similar things that Emile

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Speaker 5: Petter is dead, and that's going to be what's interesting

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Speaker 5: to me.

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Speaker 1: All right, Fernanda.

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Speaker 6: Next, I think it's going to be a lasting film

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Speaker 6: because it has been the butt of so many jokes,

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Speaker 6: so I think it will make a point.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what point in the future, hm, hm, Antonia.

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Speaker 4: I think it's already a camp classic. I think I'll

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Speaker 4: see all of you, we're all gonna be singing Vagino

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Speaker 4: Plasty at midnight and just having a good laugh. I

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Speaker 4: think I think that that's what the film should have

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Speaker 4: been treated as to begin with, and I think that

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Speaker 4: that is its core essence is uh, you know, camp

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Speaker 4: be films like require like a self seriousness that's kind

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Speaker 4: of unaware, and that's what this movie has.

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Speaker 1: All right, mon Salo take us out.

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Speaker 7: I'm with Antonio. I think it's already like a camp

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Speaker 7: popular classic Aspernana s I mean, it's been like the

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Speaker 7: butt of so many jokes, It's part of so many

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Speaker 7: memes in Mexico. It's gonna stay and it's gonna it's

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Speaker 7: gonna be a reference here. It's gonna be a reference

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Speaker 7: for a while. I mean from Venus ubagaina come on,

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Speaker 7: that's for the ages.

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Speaker 1: I was like, did she actually just say this? This

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Speaker 1: conversation definitely is Punica Latino USA, and we shall see

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Speaker 1: what happens at the oscars. But thank you for making

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Speaker 1: this conversation super interesting, which I just got ask yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 7: This is so fun.

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Speaker 1: Film critics and thinkers Gonzalo Vira, Galban and Fernandez Solrsano

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Speaker 1: joining us from Mexico and from the US Antonia, Srijuidro

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Speaker 1: and Ico Martinez. You can find their social profiles in

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Speaker 1: produced by Marina Pena and Fernando Chavari, with production assistants

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