Speaker 1: You're listening to Comedy Central. Hello, and welcome to the
Speaker 1: Daily Show Ears edition. This is Ashton Walmack. I am
Speaker 1: a writer for the Daily Show, and we are back
Speaker 1: in the podcast studio with none other than Charlemagne and
Speaker 1: the guy. Welcome as brother a chilling, chilling. I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you about this piece we've been working on. Biden,
Speaker 1: fuck him up.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, Let's do it.
Speaker 1: This piece is very fun. I'm always interested in the
Speaker 1: ideas that you come in to bring. Last time we
Speaker 1: talked about DEI. This time we're talking about your in
Speaker 1: my opinion piece about the Democrats messaging to voters.
Speaker 2: Before Democrats even worry about explaining their side of an issue,
Speaker 2: they need to learn something more basic, how to talk
Speaker 2: like real people. Yeah, and I'm sure that possible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure that possible, because you know who's good
Speaker 2: at it talking not ask Republicans. The Biden administration shucks
Speaker 2: said communists, they're Marxists, they're radical left Democrats.
Speaker 1: The sick people. There were riots burning down the country
Speaker 1: over George Floyd. And I'm really sick and tired of
Speaker 1: the bullshit annex I have to deal with constantly.
Speaker 2: You see that you see that Congress could pay off
Speaker 2: the whole deficit by giving Marjorie Taylor Green. That's where jar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to tell me, what was the inspiration for the
Speaker 1: peace What about their communication is not getting to Charlottage.
Speaker 2: The inspiration for the piece was the fact that Democrats
Speaker 2: suck in messaging, the fact that they don't talk like
Speaker 2: normal people talk. And it's not about dumbing down like
Speaker 2: I saw somebody say that. Somebody say that. They was like,
Speaker 2: why do they have to dumb down? It's not about
Speaker 2: dumbing down. You could be the smartest person in the world,
Speaker 2: the most intellectual person in the world, if you don't
Speaker 2: know how to message what you know, what's the point
Speaker 2: of having all that intelligence. Part of being intelligent is
Speaker 2: being a great communicator and saying what it is that
Speaker 2: you know in a way that people can understand.
Speaker 1: Make the message palpable to the people so we can
Speaker 1: actually agree.
Speaker 2: With That's right. And I think for the past year
Speaker 2: what we've really been seeing when you have a person
Speaker 2: like a Donald Trump, you know, with all of the
Speaker 2: criminal charges, with the four years we saw him in
Speaker 2: the White House, we saw him leading an attempt to
Speaker 2: cool his country. He says things that he wanted to
Speaker 2: terminate the constitution to overthrow resultment election. We've seen him
Speaker 2: do all of this wild stuff, but yet he still
Speaker 2: could possibly win in November. That means that President Biden
Speaker 2: in his administration, whatever they're doing, they're not messaging to
Speaker 2: the people in a way that the people can understand
Speaker 2: and know. Okay, this is who we should absolutely ride
Speaker 2: with in November. Trump's more sincere about his lives and
Speaker 2: Democrats are about the truth. And I can tell you,
Speaker 2: I can tell you simple ways of why they're messaging
Speaker 2: is better. You know, they can say the boarder is
Speaker 2: fucked up, we got to close the border. People are
Speaker 2: coming into this country under documented things aren't safe, right,
Speaker 2: and people will hear that, like the people in communities
Speaker 2: will hear that, but more more and more importantly ask
Speaker 2: they'll feel it. I tell people got mad at me
Speaker 2: back in January because I was doing an interviewing somebody,
Speaker 2: U dude for Fox News. Joseph asked me. The Fox
Speaker 2: News digital guy asked me, do I think the border
Speaker 2: is gonna be a problem come November? And I said yes.
Speaker 2: And the reason I said yes, it's because I'm talking
Speaker 2: to people and people are telling me, like whether it's
Speaker 2: activists in Chicago and they're like, you know, we hate
Speaker 2: that these migrants are coming over here and getting resources
Speaker 2: that you know, homeless people here have never gotten. Are
Speaker 2: poor people on the South Side have never gotten. I'm
Speaker 2: talking to people here in New York and they're telling
Speaker 2: me about how, you know, their neighborhoods are unsafe because
Speaker 2: they're being over run by gangs that are coming in,
Speaker 2: you know, from from from from the border, and like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, are when Mayor Eric Adams closed the
Speaker 2: school down for a day and made all the kids
Speaker 2: do remote learning while he housed the migrants fortnight, ul
Speaker 2: like that pisses people off, Like you know how many
Speaker 2: people who were calling the radio station mad about that.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you real conversations that I had with people,
Speaker 2: not just on the radio, but people telling me in
Speaker 2: my eyes, looking me in my eyes in tears, wanting
Speaker 2: me to say something about what's going on in their neighborhoods.
Speaker 2: Are listening to these activists in Chicago when they're telling
Speaker 2: me what's going on. So when I repeat that, the left,
Speaker 2: MSNBC says, I'm spreading maga messaging. You know what I mean? Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about them. I'm just saying what the
Speaker 2: people are saying. But guess what, you know who had
Speaker 2: been saying that Republicans.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when Republicans were doing things like putting you know,
Speaker 2: the migrants on the buses and on the planes and
Speaker 2: sending them to the sanctuary cities, and then now you
Speaker 2: got people in these sanctuary cities like the mayor Caatas,
Speaker 2: and they're like, Yo, no more, we can't do it,
Speaker 2: send them back, YadA.
Speaker 1: YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: When you got Vice President Kamalahara saying, Yo, don't come
Speaker 2: over here no more. You got President Biden saying don't
Speaker 2: come over here. So when stuff like that happens, it
Speaker 2: makes it seem Likeservatives had it right the whole time.
Speaker 2: That's just good messaging.
Speaker 1: No, no, now, I hear you on that. I want
Speaker 1: to say, I hear you say, Democrats they're ignoring the crisis.
Speaker 1: Conservatives they say that, but they also add the racism
Speaker 1: part in it. That's like, how can you take the
Speaker 1: Republicans message at its whole value. Yes, they're talking about
Speaker 1: a problem like the border crisis, but they're also dragging
Speaker 1: in what feels like racism into it. How do you
Speaker 1: separate that?
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, But you don't, And I'll tell you
Speaker 2: why you don't, Because everybody gets what they want from
Speaker 2: whatever message you're delivering. All they're saying is something needs
Speaker 2: to be done at the border. That's it. So everybody
Speaker 2: will have their own different reasons as to why they
Speaker 2: think something should be done at the border. Yes, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, Republicans who are just rooted
Speaker 2: in racism when it comes to it. But most people
Speaker 2: that I know, I'm not even talking about this Conservatives'.
Speaker 2: People that I know that are feeling the brunt of
Speaker 2: what's happening at the border right now are people who
Speaker 2: you know, feel like migrants are getting more resources that
Speaker 2: they've never gotten and because they feel like their communities
Speaker 2: are unsafe. So people forget what you did, they'll forget
Speaker 2: what you said, Ashton, They'll never forget how you made
Speaker 2: them feel. So it's just a feeling. So when you
Speaker 2: can tap into, you know, the language that reflects someone's feelings,
Speaker 2: you got them. You got them, and Democrats just haven't
Speaker 2: learned how to get them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just that simple, I feel you. It's the
Speaker 1: sanitize language they use. It's just talking in circles. They
Speaker 1: just do word salads to us, and it feels like
Speaker 1: we get nothing from them. Meanwhile, Republicans can come out
Speaker 1: and be like these Mexicans, am I right, and they'll
Speaker 1: be like, yeahs, I totally feel.
Speaker 2: It, and as wild right, everybody wants border security. It's
Speaker 2: not like Democrats don't want security. Everybody wants border security.
Speaker 2: They just want it. They want documented immigrants, right, Like
Speaker 2: it's really that simple. They want it. They want to
Speaker 2: be able to know who's coming in this country, why
Speaker 2: they're here, where they're at. All of that. We know
Speaker 2: that both parties, you know, say that's what they want,
Speaker 2: but one party, the Republicans, will say build the wall, right,
Speaker 2: and the Democrats are like, no, don't build the wall.
Speaker 2: But it's like, why are you saying that. You know
Speaker 2: that there needs to be some type of border security,
Speaker 2: whether it's a wall, whether it's a fence, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: you know it needs to be some type of border security.
Speaker 2: You just want it to be in a humane way,
Speaker 2: and you want to be able to treat these you know,
Speaker 2: individuals coming across the border like people. But it's like yo,
Speaker 2: they lose they lose. They lose the fight, and I
Speaker 2: want to and they both do this to each other.
Speaker 2: I'm not even going to say it's just Democrats. They
Speaker 2: both lose the fight because they're too busy warring about
Speaker 2: who's going to get the credit for closing the border
Speaker 2: or not closing but getting the border under control as
Speaker 2: opposed you know, they're worried about getting getting the credit
Speaker 2: as opposed to just you know, doing something for the people.
Speaker 1: Well, and I mean, I have not no listening. I'm
Speaker 1: not no Biden caper, no nothing. I'm just a black
Speaker 1: man in America. But what was it? What just happened?
Speaker 1: Trump basically told the Republicans, Yeah, Biden is about to
Speaker 1: do some immigration reform at the border.
Speaker 2: Don't do it.
Speaker 1: Don't do it, absolut wait until I do it. So
Speaker 1: even you know, And maybe that's a better messaging from
Speaker 1: Biden being him being like, hey, I've tried to bring
Speaker 1: some more control at the border. But Trump is telling
Speaker 1: his own people to stop me. He could be absolutely
Speaker 1: better on letting people know I try to do.
Speaker 2: A Biden should have said, what I thought you wanted
Speaker 2: to build the wall, I'm trying to help you finish
Speaker 2: building the wall. Let's build the wall.
Speaker 1: Biden starts saying, build the wall.
Speaker 2: I'm serious, I'm trying to help you build the wall. Listen,
Speaker 2: Let's build the wall, because all build a wall is
Speaker 2: is symbolism for we need to get the border under control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then we got to watch it because you
Speaker 1: know then be like also Kids in Cages, which is
Speaker 1: just a metaphor for.
Speaker 2: The kids in cages was around since President Obama. So
Speaker 2: it's like everybody needs to stop trying to politicize things
Speaker 2: and actually try to get things done for the American people.
Speaker 2: And the things you are getting done, you just got
Speaker 2: to know how to message correctly the folks absolutely, or
Speaker 2: even the things you want to get done, you got
Speaker 2: to know how to message correctly to folks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, that's optics and messaging is literally ninety nine point
Speaker 1: nine percent of battle. But speaking of we were talking
Speaker 1: about Trump and the GOP, but I want to talk
Speaker 1: about Trump appealing to black voters and his messaging to
Speaker 1: black voters. In the piece, we talk about how some
Speaker 1: black voters lean towards Trump because they appreciate when someone
Speaker 1: sounds authentic, even when they're lying. Do you think Trump's
Speaker 1: authenticity or bravado. Is that more appealing to people than
Speaker 1: actual policy.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I don't believe that, you know,
Speaker 2: black people are leaning towards Donald Trump. I think all
Speaker 2: those poll numbers are overstated. I think what you might
Speaker 2: be getting right now is just a natural, you know,
Speaker 2: frustration that a lot of black people feel around this
Speaker 2: time of year. And by the way, I don't even
Speaker 2: know nobody who's been polled. You have been pulled.
Speaker 1: No, I've never been polled. I've never no one's asked
Speaker 1: me a single question on my pology. Not even get
Speaker 1: polled here when I got hired, Like.
Speaker 2: You's what I'm saying, So, who are these black people
Speaker 2: that they talking to? I don't see. I think the
Speaker 2: last number I saw was like twenty two percent of
Speaker 2: black people.
Speaker 1: That is always, that is always whenever you see Republican
Speaker 1: numbers for black people, just know it is ascwed. It's
Speaker 1: a right way to saying, take is not it is fake.
Speaker 1: Black people support Democrats and over we're the most consistent
Speaker 1: voting block for Democrats, and it's like, hands down every
Speaker 1: single year. So it's almost it's almost, uh, it's really
Speaker 1: patronized when people to act like black people are. We're
Speaker 1: becoming the reason why Trump or any Republicans are going
Speaker 1: to win when it's white women and white men.
Speaker 2: That's right. I don't even know why they keep trying
Speaker 2: to push Trump on us. It's like, nah, bro, that's
Speaker 2: you all, nigga, don't do that like that, Like Donald
Speaker 2: Trump is the Frankenstein monster of white supremacy, Like that's y'all.
Speaker 2: Like they ain't got nothing to do with us, okay,
Speaker 2: Like everything that y'all are experiencing with Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: what happens when privilege goals unchecked. Like, I ain't got
Speaker 2: nothing to do with us. I don't know why even
Speaker 2: try to keep pushing Trump Trump Trump on black people today? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Well speaking, I think that goes directly to point out
Speaker 1: a question I was going to ask, how does black
Speaker 1: Republicans messaging to black people work for you? Because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say I know what the piece is about, like
Speaker 1: how Republicans messaging is a little bit better, but personally,
Speaker 1: I think Black Republicans messaging is god awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different, right, because I think one thing that
Speaker 2: people are making a distinction with is you know what
Speaker 2: a conservative is and what this new Maga shit is
Speaker 2: and there's a difference. And you know the Republicans who
Speaker 2: are just allowing MAGA to take over their party and
Speaker 2: they're allowing you know, MAGA to become what the Republican
Speaker 2: Party is. It's like, man, y'all are losing a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, real conservative values for this extreme you know,
Speaker 2: right wing shit. And it's and then you know, Republicans
Speaker 2: on the flip side will say, all the Democrats lost
Speaker 2: us because they got people that are too far left.
Speaker 2: So I think what you need right now is for
Speaker 2: people to just come back in the center, like you
Speaker 2: need more moderates on both parties because when I hear
Speaker 2: I've heard black conservatives talk throughout the years. I know
Speaker 2: plenty of black conservatives. I know mad black conservatives before
Speaker 2: this Maga stuff. They didn't sound as ridiculous, you know,
Speaker 2: back then as they do now because most of them
Speaker 2: just do that because of the economy. It's all financial. Literally, Republicans,
Speaker 2: most Republicans I know period.
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent with you all. My my uncles
Speaker 1: who are being Republican, they just they money. They just
Speaker 1: like money that they like Trump Trump said, Trump stand
Speaker 1: on business. I'm like half of his businesses are bankrupt.
Speaker 1: He ain't standing on not too many. But that's my uncles.
Speaker 1: They they are attracted to literally what you do money.
Speaker 1: That's it's a conservative thing.
Speaker 2: By the way. Uh, everybody is attracted. I don't want
Speaker 2: to say it's not even about being attracted to Trump
Speaker 2: once again. People will they'll forget what you said, they'll
Speaker 2: forget what you did. They just remember how you made
Speaker 2: them feel. People felt like there was more money in
Speaker 2: their pockets when Trump was in office, because it's what
Speaker 2: people forget. It was a pandemic here. It was motherfucking COVID.
Speaker 2: It took millions of people to die for you to
Speaker 2: get that stimulus check. And that's what it took. It took.
Speaker 2: It took millions of people to die in an economy
Speaker 2: to shut down for you to get those PPP loans
Speaker 2: and whatever other small business loans you was getting. But
Speaker 2: nobody cares to what we were just talking about about
Speaker 2: the racism with the border. Nobody cares because they only
Speaker 2: care about how they personally feel. So they got that
Speaker 2: check that said, oh, Donald Trump on it, and it
Speaker 2: was some extra money, and they got that twice. These
Speaker 2: pp P loans I'm from Monst Corner, South Carolina. You
Speaker 2: know how many people I know who got PPP loans,
Speaker 2: who got trailers now, who were able to get some
Speaker 2: renovations done on.
Speaker 1: Their house, not even there's no everybody I know, everybody
Speaker 1: I know, millennials, gen Z struggling there. It is no
Speaker 1: John Mark is terrible. Everybody I know. They got those
Speaker 1: little checks. It was the first time I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my friend's life, like a light in their eyes.
Speaker 1: Yea freedom like they were like, I've never been happier
Speaker 1: than the moments I was getting those checks. And I
Speaker 1: didn't have to. You know, people were saying it was free,
Speaker 1: like they were just giving out free money, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 2: But people died for that money. Yeah. And by the way,
Speaker 2: that's the only way that's going to happen for you again,
Speaker 2: is if there's another pandemic and we don't want that.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you something else. Democrats have a
Speaker 2: very elitist attitude when it comes to those stimulus checks.
Speaker 2: I've talked to so many you know, left leaning liberals,
Speaker 2: Democrats who are in media, and I'm not gonna say
Speaker 2: any of the these, but they've said things to me like,
Speaker 2: if you can be moved by a fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 2: check or twelve hundred dollars check, whatever it was, then
Speaker 2: I don't want to fucking talk to you no way.
Speaker 2: And I remember telling that person you are out of
Speaker 2: touch with what's going on in the hood, My brother,
Speaker 2: you are out of touch with what's going on in
Speaker 2: our communities. Man. These people are strug gull leging it.
Speaker 2: And you've been rich too long. Yeah, if you hit
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars, ain't gonna change somebody's.
Speaker 1: Dating, life changing money, life changing. Y. Somebody to give
Speaker 1: somebody two hundred dollars right now?
Speaker 2: The light?
Speaker 1: Just watch the joy fifteen hundred right and.
Speaker 2: And guess what you know? How uh, you know how
Speaker 2: ridiculous you have to be to ignore what you're seeing
Speaker 2: in front of your eyes. And what I mean by
Speaker 2: that is you're saying that that those stimulus checks couldn't
Speaker 2: be that effective. But people still talking about him four
Speaker 2: years later.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: You know who knew how? You know who knew how
Speaker 2: impactful they were going to be? Donald Trump? That's why
Speaker 2: he put his name on him. That's why he put
Speaker 2: his name on him.
Speaker 1: And I know that I know that's facts because when
Speaker 1: I was thirteen, I think I was thirteen eleven, George
Speaker 1: Bush dropped, he dropped some check, but Bushbucks br I
Speaker 1: remember that only coming I didn't get a single down
Speaker 1: for my mama. My mama went so happy.
Speaker 2: Ash I knew nothing. By the way, I knew nothing
Speaker 2: about politics. I wasn't even concerned about politics. But I
Speaker 2: remember in the hood when everybody was getting Bushbucks for
Speaker 2: the same reason you just said, because everybody, my daddy,
Speaker 2: my aunt's uncle, everybody was like, yo, we just got
Speaker 2: I think it was like eleven hundred, twelve dollars somebody,
Speaker 2: I don't think it was. That might be like seven hundred.
Speaker 1: That is so, I thought it was like three hundred.
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't even know if it
Speaker 2: was in the thousands. I just remember everybody was so
Speaker 2: excited that they was getting them bush Bucks.
Speaker 1: I remember Mama fixed the alternator on her Mustang, and
Speaker 1: I ignored all the ship that all the races was
Speaker 1: talking about. You know what I'm saying, just completely. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, y'all right, no, no, I'm able to
Speaker 1: ride to school now. I gotta ride to school now.
Speaker 1: Y'all gonna say whatever.
Speaker 2: The fuck y'all want. I had a whole because of
Speaker 2: bush Bucks. I said that President Biden needed to hold
Speaker 2: like a big town hall, and he needs to have,
Speaker 2: of course his vice president with him, but he should
Speaker 2: have all his like all the sarrogates that people actually appreciate, right,
Speaker 2: like the Governor Shapiro's, right, the Wes Moors. I would
Speaker 2: even have Congress women like Jasmine Crockett and AOC that
Speaker 2: would make it a big spectacle. And I would say, look, man,
Speaker 2: I know, I know that the American people are hurting
Speaker 2: right now. I want to give you all a little
Speaker 2: something for your gas and your groceries. So we're about
Speaker 2: to go to Congress and ask to pass this bill
Speaker 2: to get all of y'all another stemmy, another stimulus check
Speaker 2: twelve out, whatever it is. Make it a big, big, big,
Speaker 2: big spectacle, because you know they're gonna turn it down.
Speaker 2: So when they turn it down, you make big noise
Speaker 2: about it. We tried to give y'all more money, but
Speaker 2: the Republicans in Congress won't vote for it. But we
Speaker 2: want to give y'all more.
Speaker 1: Next time Biden come up there to say you ain't black.
Speaker 1: You gotta drop that, you gotta drop that into it.
Speaker 1: But that's that's messaging. No, that's marketing. And Biden, you know,
Speaker 1: we got an old ass president. I feel like old
Speaker 1: people like to give away money. That should be every
Speaker 1: time I go to my grandma house, I'm bad. I'm
Speaker 1: getting money.
Speaker 2: So like with them, with the Weathers, with the Worthers originals, exactly,
Speaker 2: she pepples.
Speaker 1: She pulling the twenty out of titty, and she's making
Speaker 1: me get some. Right. See, we're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. We're back with Charlottage and the
Speaker 1: God right now. Your voice is an important voice, specifically
Speaker 1: for black people. Democrats Republicans, they like to use you,
Speaker 1: as I think, like a I don't want to say
Speaker 1: a litmus test for what black people are thinking, but
Speaker 1: they they use you to go for where when they
Speaker 1: want to hear what black people are thinking. And I
Speaker 1: noticed that whenever you criticize Democrats, Republicans love to pick
Speaker 1: it up and frame it in a way that makes
Speaker 1: it seems like you're pro Trump. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about trying about trying to navigate this current landscape while
Speaker 1: criticizing the Democrats without being used as a mouthpiece for
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. It's however they want to frame it
Speaker 1: on their end.
Speaker 2: How do you feel. I talk about that in the
Speaker 2: book Get Out as a die line, But I mean,
Speaker 2: what you said is absolutely true. But it's honestly nothing
Speaker 2: you can do about that, because I don't even get
Speaker 2: mad at the right for doing what the right does.
Speaker 2: I know the right has a narrative, and their narrative
Speaker 2: right now is that black people are supporting Trump, like
Speaker 2: you know people are. The black people are leaving the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party to support Donald Trump, which I which I
Speaker 2: believe is very overstated. So anything that pushes that narrative
Speaker 2: they're gonna run with. So if I go on a
Speaker 2: TV program, whether it's The View, whether it's This Week ABC,
Speaker 2: and I can say Donald Trump is a democracy, I
Speaker 2: can say Donald Trump let an attempt to cool his country.
Speaker 2: I can say, you know, Donald Trump wanted to determinate
Speaker 2: the constitutional the results of an election. I say this
Speaker 2: everywhere I go. There's no place I go where I
Speaker 2: don't say that vert batim.
Speaker 1: I saw you say it on Gutfield or one of them.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm gonna get to that. But I can
Speaker 2: say that and then somebody will say, well, what about Biden, Well,
Speaker 2: Biden's uninspiring candidate with no main character energy. Fox News
Speaker 2: is gonna take that and run that over and over.
Speaker 2: And when I was here on the Daily Show and
Speaker 2: I said Joe Biden need to step down, I didn't
Speaker 2: say nothing that David Axelrod didn't say. I didn't say
Speaker 2: nothing that you know, millions of other Democrats haven't at
Speaker 2: least thought about, are said out loud things.
Speaker 1: Everybody is thinking absolut that's right.
Speaker 2: If he if they're not a winnable ticket, which we
Speaker 2: don't know if they are this time around, but if
Speaker 2: we don't think they're a winnable ticket, the stakes are
Speaker 2: too high to play, so maybe he should step down.
Speaker 2: I said that here. Fox News will take that run
Speaker 2: with it one hundred miles pour. Then what the left does,
Speaker 2: instead of actually going to watch everything I said in
Speaker 2: this totality and taking what they need to push their narrative,
Speaker 2: they respond to Fox News narrative. And then all these
Speaker 2: freaking digital dickheads on social media start attacking me because
Speaker 2: of the headlines that Fox News is putting out there.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying everything you need about Trump as well,
Speaker 2: and I'm posing questions that we should at least have
Speaker 2: a discussion about, saying, then should at least have a
Speaker 2: discussion is the Biden Harris a winnable ticket? Is Biden
Speaker 2: the best bet you know for November? And by the way,
Speaker 2: the only reason I even bought that up was because
Speaker 2: Joe Biden himself said he thinks it's about fifty other
Speaker 2: people who can beat Donald Trump in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, where they at?
Speaker 1: Where does that where they at?
Speaker 2: So there's there's really nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 2: The only thing I would encourage, you know, left media
Speaker 2: to do is push the narratives that you need to
Speaker 2: push out, because all you're doing is amplifying propaganda. You're
Speaker 2: taking what Fox News is saying, amplifying, you know, amplifying it.
Speaker 2: And now everybody's like Charlamagne supports Donald Trump. I never
Speaker 2: said that. I went on the View and Sonny said
Speaker 2: to me, you know, this is not the time to
Speaker 2: sit out. I never said I was sitting out of
Speaker 2: an election. I never said that. I just said I'm
Speaker 2: not telling people who to vote for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like if you criticize the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: that automatically makes you pro Trump, which is like the
Speaker 1: basic like third gradest politics. But you have a unique
Speaker 1: ability that seems you seem to unbothered.
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck that got hip hop.
Speaker 1: It feels like it just goes straight.
Speaker 2: I've had way worse things said about me. Please, anything
Speaker 2: I care about.
Speaker 1: That fucking birdman came up cool exactly.
Speaker 2: Also, I know the truth, and it's not like the
Speaker 2: truth is not out there. That's why the public be confused,
Speaker 2: because the public is like what Charlamagne ain't never said
Speaker 2: the supporting nor Trump like you go look in my comments,
Speaker 2: equal opportunity hate from both bots. I got Republican bots
Speaker 2: telling me to get democratic dick out of my mouth,
Speaker 2: and I got Democrat bots telling me a Democrat bots
Speaker 2: saying this is the type of rhetoric that's gonna get
Speaker 2: Donald Trump elected. That yo, and by the way, let
Speaker 2: me tell how let me tell how scoop it. The
Speaker 2: Democrat bots are at least the Republican bots if I
Speaker 2: post something about Trump, like the other day I posted
Speaker 2: about Project two thousand and twenty five, which is something
Speaker 2: else I always talk about. Right, all the Republican bots
Speaker 2: democratic shill you work for Joe Biden. How does it fit?
Speaker 2: Get off your knees, over and over and over and over.
Speaker 2: The Democrats I can post about, I can post, I
Speaker 2: can post that I love Rhapsodies new album, and it'll
Speaker 2: be Democrat bots in there. This is the type of
Speaker 2: rhetoric that's gonna get Donald Trump elected. They're not even
Speaker 2: they don't even know how to they don't even know
Speaker 2: to use their box, right. That's how bad. It's just,
Speaker 2: that's how bad their messaging is. They don't even know
Speaker 2: how to use their box.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But to your point about what you said about Gutfeld earlier,
Speaker 2: I went on Fox News and said the same exact
Speaker 2: things that I've been saying about Donald Trump everywhere else,
Speaker 2: and that's when it goes viral. It was fun. That's
Speaker 2: when finally the left media is like Wow. I watched
Speaker 2: one YouTube video because I love YouTube reaction videos. I
Speaker 2: love when people like react to things. I watched this
Speaker 2: one person on YouTube say, I guess we're gonna have
Speaker 2: to start callings Charlamagne, charlamage and a broken clock. He's
Speaker 2: the broken clock is right twice a day because he
Speaker 2: because he went on gut Failed and I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's changing his tune. I don't know
Speaker 2: if his if his Cistangela Rye because they so close,
Speaker 2: or I don't know if it's because of the backlash
Speaker 2: he gets on Twitter. But he went on. Nan said
Speaker 2: Trump is a threat to democrasis. I'm like, I've always
Speaker 2: said that, you idiots.
Speaker 1: Just what's the rest of my other segment?
Speaker 2: That's it. You can't pull up one in of you
Speaker 2: one conversation where I have not said that.
Speaker 1: Well, we live in headline age. We live in the
Speaker 1: age of you know, I'm scrolling. I'm not about to
Speaker 1: watch this whole thing.
Speaker 2: That's a chapter in my book as well. What chapter
Speaker 2: is headlines? Headlines is chapter twenty.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now we talked about this piece. I mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier in the podcast that it was based off of
Speaker 1: a chapter in your book chapter I believe it was
Speaker 1: chapter seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Language of Politics, Dad, chapter seven.
Speaker 1: So the book obviously go get it everywhere we're gonna
Speaker 1: get honest or diye line. There was a chapter in
Speaker 1: it that really stuck out to me, and really, I
Speaker 1: see how we're very much similar. You're a fan of
Speaker 1: Aaron McGruder.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's my guy, and a great friend.
Speaker 1: That I found that out by reading the chapter in
Speaker 1: the book about is a chapter I don't want to
Speaker 1: spoil too much called Aaron McGruder lends his pen to
Speaker 1: your book for a while, and it's very pointant. You know,
Speaker 1: you miss Aaron mcgruder's perspective on just everything and how
Speaker 1: was that relationship?
Speaker 2: Like how is how is how coole?
Speaker 1: Is that to have Aaron McGruder.
Speaker 2: I think that Aaron for a lot of black men.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like what jay Z is to a
Speaker 2: lot of black men if you're a certain age, like
Speaker 2: what Dave Chappelle is, you know, because there's certain people
Speaker 2: that speak for us at any given moment and really
Speaker 2: hit on that head what we're feeling, what we're thinking,
Speaker 2: the things that we're saying. And when we see these
Speaker 2: things in you know, you know mainstream America, you're like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: And I think Aaron is that when it comes when
Speaker 2: it comes with the Boone Docks. You know, The Bone
Speaker 2: Docks is a great comic script that he used to write.
Speaker 2: You know, he has graphic novels, but you know a
Speaker 2: lot of people know it because of the cartoon that
Speaker 2: was on Adult Sweat first three seasons that Aaron did
Speaker 2: fantastic fourth season garbage because Aaron has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with it. But yeah, me and him connected years ago
Speaker 2: just because I had a friend named April Bombay and
Speaker 2: April knew him, and I was like, nobody knows him.
Speaker 2: He's a recluser. You don't even know. He might not
Speaker 2: even be real, right like, so she was like, no,
Speaker 2: I know. So she gave me his email. She asked
Speaker 2: if I asked him if I could get the email.
Speaker 2: I don't even think he knew I was, but she
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he cool, You're cool, and so I
Speaker 2: sent him an email. This was literally eighteen years ago, bro,
Speaker 2: literally like this had to be like oh seven. And
Speaker 2: I just told him I was a fan, like I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan. I got all the graphic novels, you know,
Speaker 2: I like the Boondocks cartoon, the scripts. I just appreciate
Speaker 2: your POV and stuff. And he hit me back and
Speaker 2: was just like thank you.
Speaker 1: The fuck people answer emails, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: This was oh seven, that's all we had. And so
Speaker 2: you know I said about I met him. I met
Speaker 2: him once and then we kept in touch. But then
Speaker 2: like about six seven years ago, I don't even know
Speaker 2: if it was that long, maybe five I got to
Speaker 2: look and see. But he reached out to me because
Speaker 2: he was getting the Boondocks. He wanted get the boone
Speaker 2: Docks restarted, and so he gave me. He had these
Speaker 2: comic scripts that he was writing. He was back writing
Speaker 2: the actual scripts, and he was like, how do I
Speaker 2: get these out? And so I was like, yo, let
Speaker 2: me just put them on Instagram. And that's literally what
Speaker 2: I did. I just put I put his scripts on
Speaker 2: Instagram went crazy viral. Then another thing we did, we
Speaker 2: had Gary who does the voice of Uncle Rugas. We
Speaker 2: had Gary, I interviewed Uncle Ruckus on Breakfast Club as
Speaker 2: Uncle Yeah, and so it was trending. It was literally trending.
Speaker 1: Everything looked like Uncle rutgis in the makeup when he
Speaker 1: put the.
Speaker 2: Oh, we didn't even do that. We just didn't over
Speaker 2: the phone.
Speaker 1: I've seen him. I've seen him when he puts the
Speaker 1: full makeup on. He looks exactly. He was gonna make
Speaker 1: a movie, Uncle Us, Uncle.
Speaker 2: Rug the movie. We just did it over the phone,
Speaker 2: and it was trending and everything and a little did
Speaker 2: I know Aaron was doing that because he was shopping
Speaker 2: the Boondocks again and they were about to reboot it,
Speaker 2: and they did with HBO Max and Aaron made me
Speaker 2: a consultant producer on it. He didn't have to do that,
Speaker 2: you know. He made me a consultant producer on it.
Speaker 2: And the new season was phenomenal. I mean, the fact
Speaker 2: that HBO or whoever couldn't get that right is insane
Speaker 2: to me. But a lot of things happened, like John
Speaker 2: Willisbuon passed away. Who who does the voice of Grandpa? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it was when I said, was incredible. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing about Aaron, and that's why I
Speaker 2: wanted to include him in the book. He's one of
Speaker 2: the most brilliant political minds that we have on this planet.
Speaker 2: But it's something about and I've asked him this question.
Speaker 2: It's something about people who do satire where they're able
Speaker 2: to see the future. They have a level of clara voyance.
Speaker 2: When I tell you every single thing that we've seen
Speaker 2: in politics since two thousand and sixteen, I'm talking about
Speaker 2: everything from the insurrection, you know, to what Trump's doing
Speaker 2: with the Supreme Court. Aaron told me all of that
Speaker 2: was gonna happen. I'm talking about literally I remember when
Speaker 2: the insurrection happened that day, he was like, are you
Speaker 2: seeing this shit? I told you he literally called it.
Speaker 2: So if he had the cartoon, you would have saw that.
Speaker 2: And that's what the new season was about.
Speaker 1: The Alabama Boat bra There's so many moments that was.
Speaker 2: Uncle Ruckus was a fascist, was a fascist leader who
Speaker 2: became mayor of Woodcrest, and it was a Trump disciple. Yes, no,
Speaker 2: y'all have no idea. You have no idea because it
Speaker 2: was supposed to be a movie. It was supposed to
Speaker 2: be HBO was supposed to do a movie, and then
Speaker 2: the series was supposed to come after the movie, and
Speaker 2: you know, for whatever reason, things just you know, couldn't
Speaker 2: get on the same page. But I just wanted, you know,
Speaker 2: Aaron's voice in the book because you know, me and
Speaker 2: him talk all the time and these are things that, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, we talk about, and I was just like, man, yo,
Speaker 2: forget me talking about what we talk about. Just you know,
Speaker 2: won't you get in like like like sit down and
Speaker 2: let's map this out for the book. And you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's what we ended up doing. And I'll say
Speaker 2: this though, that's you're gonna hear a lot from Aaron
Speaker 2: mcgru you know, like if if it's if it's one
Speaker 2: thing that I'm going to make sure of is that
Speaker 2: you know, you know, Aaron mar you know, POV gets
Speaker 2: out there and in a lot of different ways. You know,
Speaker 2: I had him as an executive producer my My My
Speaker 2: talk show here on Comedy Central, and yeah, he's just
Speaker 2: he's just like I said, he's one of the most
Speaker 2: brilliant political minds that you know, we've we've got on
Speaker 2: this planet, you know, right now. And they're not just
Speaker 2: political minds, just a just a just very in tune
Speaker 2: about society and and human nature.
Speaker 1: That's what That's one of the book is great and
Speaker 1: the one thing that left me finishing reading Aaron's words.
Speaker 1: I don't know if why every time I feel I
Speaker 1: watch something of Aaron McGruder, but I always walk away
Speaker 1: being like, I gotta keep my eye, I gotta keep
Speaker 1: a herder around white people.
Speaker 2: Every time. That's real. That's real. He's brilliant man. And
Speaker 2: the listen, I'm gonna tell you something else about Aaron.
Speaker 2: The ideas that.
Speaker 1: He has.
Speaker 2: For TV shows, for movies would change cinema.
Speaker 1: Dude, the Uncle Ruckus idea alone. I just that was
Speaker 1: that's exactly what you do for right now. I feel
Speaker 1: like he's our south Park.
Speaker 2: He's I love south Park, but I love Boondocks even more.
Speaker 2: To Ja Crocker was on the show, she referenced Uncle Ruckus.
Speaker 2: I just think, like that's what like cultural cultural forever.
Speaker 2: Think about all the things that have happened over the
Speaker 2: last few years, and everybody goes back to Boondock's episodes.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, Aaron, we throw that word around
Speaker 2: a lot. Genius. Aaron mcgruda is a genius archetypes.
Speaker 1: Growing up, when I was reading common strips, I saw
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm Hughey and Riley and just growing
Speaker 1: you got about season?
Speaker 2: People forget about season because he wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 2: I completely forgot what about season? But but like I said,
Speaker 2: it's not the last you go to hear Aaron. He's
Speaker 2: he's brilliant, man like and and like there's nothing. I
Speaker 2: get the privilege of being able to talk to him
Speaker 2: a lot. So I know his POV on a lot
Speaker 2: of things. You know what I'm saying that is a
Speaker 2: I know his POV on a lot of things, And
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that you know, we talk
Speaker 2: about that. I'm like, oh, man, that you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be easy. You'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be It's not gonna be long either.
Speaker 1: You walk into a fan fan, I'm like, hey, like
Speaker 1: you just telling me the premise of that. Literally, my
Speaker 1: cheeks are smiling just you know, when you just hear
Speaker 1: something like damn, I can't stop smiling. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: That's but yeah, no, Well, thank you for giving Aaron
Speaker 1: that platform. In the book Get Honest or Dielined by
Speaker 1: Charlemagne to God, y'all please please please go check it out.
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, always a pleasure with you man, you can.
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