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Speaker 2: This is a rain happy tackle kip one man play.

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Speaker 2: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable,

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Speaker 2: Humans need fantasy to be human. My goodness, that's good.

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Speaker 2: You guys are prose best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn? Baby less there? What to do?

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Speaker 2: Everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. I am your host,

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Speaker 2: Chris Raybond, and this is our Wide Receiver Stockwatch episode

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty three, where we break down all the

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Speaker 2: wide receiver ADP's guys were high and guys were low

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Speaker 2: on and here to help me do it. One of

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Speaker 2: my fellow top rankers in the game, Sean Kerner, Sean,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's up? I just snapped a fifteen bet winning street yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So had a good week, you know. W n B

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Speaker 1: A NBA baseball love it. Uh. So we're covering from that,

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Speaker 1: but hoping it's our a new one. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. I'm gearing up for the finals. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what a wild uh what a wild? Rather that Eastern

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Speaker 2: Conference Finals. But finally we got a matchup.

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Speaker 1: And hiderbar here. You think that gets you think it's

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they crush him.

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Speaker 2: I do think that he I think that Heat get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm going with Michael Gallup, who as of

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Speaker 3: So Galp should be the number three target at worse

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. He's one of the guys I

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Speaker 3: I got Allen was baby at wide receiver fifty six. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Alazar was one of the guys, maybe even

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that Mikole Hardman. I still love DENZELMMS.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, if he makes the team. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: My next one is Trailing Burks wide receiver forty three

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Speaker 2: Berks started coming on. He had a bunch of games,

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Speaker 2: you always like guys to finish strong, because some guys

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Speaker 2: Burke's had a you know, in his last six games,

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Speaker 2: for seventy, four for sixty six, another four catch game

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's you know, and I what is the only

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Speaker 2: two breakout where you know, I'm sure people look at

435
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 2: Pittman and I'm sure you know Down's being the shiny

436
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 2: new toy. Now he'll get some love. But I think Pierce,

437
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 2: when you look at all their ADPs, I think Pierce

438
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 2: actually has the best bet at not only beating his ADP,

439
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,239
Speaker 2: but getting into that you know, flexish ranger. You can

440
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 2: actually use him from week to week and know you

441
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 2: have a chance for a big play or a touchdown

442
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 2: or you know, eighty yards and a touchdown something like that.

443
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 2: So I like Alec Peace to beat his wide receiver

444
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: seventy two ADP.

445
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he's gonna offer the most value

446
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 3: early in the season. I think Gardner she's gonna start.

447
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 3: I don't know the first couple few games they play

448
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 3: the Texans, the Rams, the Rams defense. You mentioned it

449
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 3: could be a disaster this year. So I think he

450
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 3: might be a good sell high candidate when that happens,

451
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 3: because when Anthony Richardson takes over, you know they might

452
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 3: not throw as much.

453
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't mind.

454
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 2: I don't mind that though. I don't mind richards because

455
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: I want Richard's arm. That's the thing I want. Yeah,

456
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying like I don't think Pierce is

457
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 2: gonna He's not gonna be like a six for for

458
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 2: one ox guy, but I'm saying I think he can

459
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 2: be like a three or four for like eighty guy

460
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 2: a little more than Oh yeah, he just suggests.

461
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: Definitely, just based on the talent alone, he should not

462
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 3: be drafted in the seventies. M I would agree with

463
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 3: that one hundred percent. But I think he could start

464
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 3: off pretty hot.

465
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 2: All right, anybody else for you?

466
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: That's it for me? You got one more, right, I

467
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: got I got a couple.

468
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 2: I'll just run him by you because I'm not his

469
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 2: so the first guy and I don't I don't know

470
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: what to do with this guy, DJ Chark. I think

471
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 2: it's really interesting because he said why receiver fifty one

472
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 2: Adam thw and pretty much everything suggested like that he's declining,

473
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: Like like I kind of looked into it little more

474
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 2: watched him. He looks like he's going downhill. Mingo is

475
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 2: a second round pick, so it could take a little

476
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: bit of time. You also got Taris Mark there, who

477
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: seems like he might even get a chance to start.

478
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 2: But like that's Terrace Marshall. But like Chark is entering

479
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: his age, what is it twenty? Let me see, let

480
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: me make sure.

481
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still young.

482
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's entering his prime. Let's see he's yeah, he'll

483
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: this will be his age twenty seven season, and we've

484
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: seen him put up you know, kind of like a

485
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 2: team leading, you know, in seventy catch thousand yard season

486
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: before he's been he's been kind of hurt. So I

487
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: think that does hurt him. But I'm just curious as

488
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: to what you thought, because like I think there's we're

489
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: kind of underestimating Chark leading, like being the number one

490
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: in Carolina. So I'm just curious is what you think

491
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: of him in general, because I'm not like completely sold

492
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: on him yet, right, but I'm just kind of wanting

493
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: to run it by you.

494
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 3: I think he's he's best ball only like he's perfect

495
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: for best ball. But I mean, I'm not completely writing

496
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 3: off Adam Feelin. Like I said, he's not going to

497
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: be anywhere close to his prime, but I think to

498
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: start with a rookie, he could be a reliable target still.

499
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: Plus he was lined up against, you know, across from

500
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: the greatest wide receiver in the game right now last year,

501
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 3: so that's kind of why he wasn't seeing his may targets.

502
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: But I love Jonathan Mingo as a prospect, I think

503
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: he could surprise the rookie.

504
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: I can't write off Terrence Marshall quite yet. I just can't.

505
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: And Leviiskus Channel's still there. I love Hayden Hurst. So

506
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: there's just a lot of weapons there. I don't really

507
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: know what's gonna, you know, sort out. But Park has

508
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: his role in this offense. I think, like you mentioned,

509
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna play a key role, but it'll

510
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 3: be more of the deep threat.

511
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: You know.

512
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 3: Who knows how Bryce Young will look in your one.

513
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 3: So I think Park will have a few big games.

514
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 3: Good luck trying to figure out which ones they are.

515
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying he's a best ball bad friend.

516
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: No that makes sense, stomachs and and I think his

517
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 2: ADP actually will drop because I don't think a lot

518
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: of people excited. But he just kind of as I

519
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: was digging into the Panthers, he was just a guy

520
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: that kind of stuck out as like, Okay, I'm sure

521
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: there's people that are gonna think the even because of

522
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: the history. These people are gonna think Ingo because of

523
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: the new toy, Marshall, because of the last four or

524
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: five games that he ended the year. But and then

525
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: Hurst because another guy new toy. But yeah, I don't know,

526
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: Shark just stuck out entering his prime and then the

527
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: other one. And I actually do like this guy. I

528
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: do think he beats his ADP. But still curious to

529
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: see your thoughts on him. I know you did a

530
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: lot of work on the draft and kind of mocking

531
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: these up. Marvin Mims Junior is going wide receiver eighty nine,

532
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: and I you know from everything we're hearing out of camp.

533
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: You know, new new regime, Sean Payton, they draft a

534
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: wide receiver and day two, even though they have a

535
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: pretty good I mean you would think depth chart of

536
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: wide receivers, it just doesn't seem like they're sold on

537
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: Judy or Sutton. We're hearing them both have been available

538
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: in trade rumors. Jim Patrick is kind of like you

539
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: know he was. He was kind of hanging on and

540
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: and out playing those guys. But you know, now coming

541
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: off a major injury and new regime, I don't know

542
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: he's I don't think he's gonna be looked at in

543
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: the same light. Handler can't stay healthy. So I think

544
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: this Marvin Mims guy could actually make an impact as

545
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: a as a rookie and even Dults that you know,

546
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: we kind of talked about how we don't where he

547
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: stands because they brought in Troutman. So I'm just curious

548
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: as to your thoughts on on Mims because he's another

549
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: guy kind of stuck out wide receiver eighty nine. I

550
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: think he beats the ADP at a minimum, but I

551
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: think he may be a lot more involved in this

552
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: Denver passing attack from day one then pertent then you know,

553
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: it's thought at the moment, Yeah, for sure.

554
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: I think the plan with Mems is to be sort

555
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: of the kJ Handler replacement. Kind of reminds me of him. So,

556
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: like you mentioned, Handler just can't say healthy you have

557
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: a new coaching regime. I think Mems would fit that mold.

558
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: Plus I don't know if they're going to enter the

559
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: season with Judy Sutton and Patrick right exactly. Yeah, So

560
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: I think if right now investing him, because if that happens, yes,

561
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: he will smash his ADP right now, So I would

562
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: say that's the angle. I still think my favorite investment

563
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: in this offense is still Greg Dulcic, But where you

564
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: can get Mems right now considering one of those top

565
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: three receivers might be gone. I think you should do it. Yeah,

566
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: So I like Memes as a prospect. There's a good

567
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: landing spot for him because this wide receiver depth chart

568
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: could shake up before week one, So I like that call.

569
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it'll be like this year, is Rashid Shah

570
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: or something. He is four point three eight forty or

571
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: something like that. He might be able to do a

572
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: lot with a little But yeah, I just I mean

573
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's kind of telegraph and the guys that he

574
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: bounce and the guys that he doesn't, so that, you know,

575
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: using what was it, the two thirty last pick of

576
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: the second round on a wide receiver kind of stuck

577
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: out with all the bass catching talent they have. So yeah,

578
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: I'm wid. I would say, at the bare minimum, if

579
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: you're not gonna, if you're not in a position to

580
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: like invest in them, because you don't play a lot

581
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: of bust ball, like if you just a redraft player

582
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: or whatever, like cheap tabs on this guy. Yeah, set

583
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: up a Google alert or something, because yeah, I think

584
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: he could blow up. All right, let's go to my

585
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: favorite guys who are overvalued too much, too many puff

586
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: pieces this time of year start as off.

587
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: So for my first over value guy, I got it

588
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: to go with Elijah Moore, who wide receiver forty nine,

589
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 3: and last year I loved. I still like Elijah Moore

590
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: as a talent. You know, he had an oppressive rookie season.

591
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: He was the wide receiver two overall during a what

592
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: six to seven week stretch, and then last year he

593
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: had a sophomore slot fell out of favorite of the Jets.

594
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: So I think he should benefit from you know, fresh

595
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: scenery ending up in a different scheme. But wide receiver

596
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: forty nine is way too high because while Moore should

597
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: get the first crack at the Browns slot receiver role,

598
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: you know they still have Amari Cooper, donovand People Jones,

599
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 3: David Joku, they drafted Cedric Tillman, so there's a lot

600
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: of potential weapons there. So more will be what the

601
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: number three target a fairly run heavy offense still and

602
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson. It goes out saying he struggled last season,

603
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 3: especially on underneath throws. He had an eighty one percent

604
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: catchball ball rate the slot receivers, which is thirty first

605
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: out of forty one qbs. So you know, Deshaun Watson

606
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 3: and Elijah Moore are two very talented players coming up

607
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: bad years. I think both of them really have to

608
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: bounce back with good season for more to hit at

609
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: this price. So in the wide receiver forty nine range,

610
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: I'd just rather take flyers on, you know, rookies like

611
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: Jordan Addison, Quinton Johnson, I don't know, maybe hoping Michael

612
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: Thomas can stay healthy for once. I just see more

613
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: paths to upside and higher floors with guys in this

614
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: range and Elijah Moore.

615
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's it's usually like I think it's

616
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: the rookies and it's those year two guys. And when

617
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: you look at a guy like More who's, yeah, he's

618
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: still young, but you know, going to a new team,

619
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: that doesn't always you know, it's not always a seamless transition,

620
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: especially when there's a lot of question marks about Watson.

621
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's I think if he dropped a little bit,

622
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: it would make more sense because he does have a

623
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: chance to get you know, I think to be a

624
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: more of a target hog than a guy like DPJ,

625
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: who's more of a downfield Yeah guy, but you know

626
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: that's not even a guarantee as of now. So yeah,

627
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough.

628
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: And there's there's already puff pieces on him being Deshaun

629
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: Watson's favorite target OTAs but they're just running around in

630
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: shorts with no one covering him, right, So yeah, and

631
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: I saw a bunch of ands hurt.

632
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: So I saw some pieces that were saying Watson was

633
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: actually not throwing the ball that well and oh no

634
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: really anyway. Yeah, so that's so.

635
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: I feel like every year we have like three or

636
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 3: four games in Cleveland where there's like thirty plus nun

637
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: or wins or some bombs side.

638
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll beat the Ravens like ten

639
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: to six or something exactly.

640
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: So you got a fact that I didn't by now

641
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: right for Brown's players.

642
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll start off with the first over. Guys,

643
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: see on the ADP wist is our boy Deebo Samuel

644
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: his wide receiver fifteen and I think that's two, hi,

645
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: just given what you know, kind of this offense is

646
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: now with Christian McCaffrey there, they just have so many

647
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: weapons and you know, we kind of saw that even

648
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: last year where Samuel and obviously he was a little

649
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: bit banged up at various points, but eight targets per

650
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: game without McCaffrey in the lineup, and that dropped to

651
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 2: six point seven per game with McCaffrey in the lineup,

652
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: and his receiving yardage dropped from fifty eight per game

653
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: to forty one per game. And also you also have

654
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: less of a need to give him a ton of

655
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: rushing attempts with CMC and Elijah Mitchell there. You know,

656
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: there are times when Debo was getting eight to ten

657
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: rushing attempts. Now I think it's you know, it's usually

658
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: going to be in that four to six range at tops,

659
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: So I think you lose some of the ceiling and

660
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: you lose some of the floor with Debo in this

661
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: McCaffrey offense. So still a obviously an offensive weapon and

662
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: a guy who could put up a massive week at

663
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: any point, but I think he's a little bit closer

664
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: to Brandon Ayuk in terms of value now just because

665
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: his usage isn't so as unique as it was before

666
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: McCaffrey got there. So without McCaffrey, elite wide receiver wide

667
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: receiver one, sure, but he's still being drafted as a

668
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: borderline wide receiver one. And you know now and we

669
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: also don't have you know, Jimmy Garoppolo, we don't there's

670
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: question marks, but when Purdy will be ready, you know,

671
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: we don't know exactly how to look with Lance if

672
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: he's still there or Donald. So yeah, there's just a

673
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: lot of question marks. I think whyre super fifteen is

674
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: a little too rich for Deeboe And I believe you

675
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: were even down on Deevo last year kind of saying

676
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: he probably couldn't repeat touchdown. Yeah right right, yeah, and

677
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: so even yeah, so I think there's still that kind

678
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: of residual effect of what he did a couple of

679
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: years ago baked into this ADP in terms of upside,

680
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: But I don't really see that upside there with with

681
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: McCaffrey obviously a better best ball picked than than probably

682
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: a redraft. But still, why sure fifteen is a little

683
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: too rich?

684
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I agree, And it's just when you're projecting

685
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: the Niners, it's just impossible because we don't know who's

686
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: going to be the quarterback and it's just a massive

687
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: difference having Rock Perty or Trey Lance back there, or

688
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: you know how Sam Darnol will look. So it's really tough.

689
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: But I think you hit the nail on the head

690
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: when it comes to debo. Just Christian McCaffrey is kind

691
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: of that role where you know, he's getting those direct

692
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: handoffs obviously he's running back, but getting those catches out

693
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: of the backfield.

694
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: He really hasn't had a deal with that. They had

695
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: what Jamichael Hasty.

696
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: As their pass catching back before that, So that just

697
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: really eats into Deebo's target share and touchdown share. I mean,

698
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: he only scored what five touchdowns last year, so he

699
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: should see some positive touch on regression this year. And

700
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: he's obviously an elite talent, but I think that's why

701
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: he's being overdrafted. People are just overvaluing his real life value.

702
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: But in fantasy, like you said, like he's probably only

703
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: going to get three to four direct handoffs the game

704
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: at most, you know, four four and a half catches,

705
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 3: So he just doesn't have the same upside we saw

706
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: at the end of you know, twenty twenty one and.

707
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Never more than six receiving touchdowns in a season, just

708
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: two last years. So you know, if he's not getting

709
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: those tarringies and if he's not getting them where it matters,

710
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: you know, down near the red zone, yeah he could

711
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: he could have another year with five up, four five touchdowns?

712
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: All right?

713
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: Who else you got?

714
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: So I'm pretty low on ra Shan Bateman just where

715
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: he's draft being drafted at wide receiver forty six. You know,

716
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: the Ravens could be more passively, they will be under

717
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: Todd Monkin. But you know, they just have so many

718
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: quality pass catchers.

719
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: Now.

720
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: You know, they added Odell Beckham, they drafted Zay Flowers,

721
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: who I love. They even brought in Nelson Aguilar, who

722
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: adds some nice depth. You know he could enter in

723
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: the mix, you know, even when everyone's healthy, and of

724
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: course they still have Mark Andrews. So Baitman's a kind

725
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: of wide receiver that does rely on volume. You know,

726
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna score any touchdowns, so I

727
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: think it's just he doesn't have the four ceiling combo

728
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: I like to have in the wide receiver forty five range.

729
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: Plus there's a slight chance they also bring in DeAndre Hopkins.

730
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: I still think he goes to Buffalo, but you know,

731
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: anything can happen. So if Hopkins ends up in Baltimore,

732
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: you know it's gonna make Baitan's price even worse in

733
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 3: this range. So he's also coming off a list forrain

734
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: injury from last year, so he might not be one

735
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: hundred percent heading in the camp.

736
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: We'll see, so we'll have to monor his health. But

737
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

738
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: At wide receiver forty six, again, i'd just rather take

739
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: flyers on rookies like Addison Johnson guys like.

740
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: That than Bateman, who you know, I think has a

741
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: limited ceiling.

742
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's super inconsistent as it was, but I

743
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: think last year he kind of looked at it and said, Okay,

744
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: well he has a chance to be that number one receiver,

745
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: where now it's kind of up in the air, not

746
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: only with guys on the roster, but guys that aren't

747
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: even on the roster yet that could overtake him. So yeah,

748
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: it's a tough situation. And I feel the same way

749
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: about Odell Beckham. You know, he's going out wide receiver

750
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: forty five, so he's going even higher than Bateman, and

751
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: I think he's another guy that I would just exercise

752
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: caution with because you look at this Baltimore team and

753
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: they you know, I know, they got the new offensive

754
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: coordinator in Munkin, but still never been a super pass

755
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: heavy team. And you know, Beckham We've seen a major

756
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: decline from age twenty seven, which is usually like the

757
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: peak of a wide receiver's career, just to age twenty nine.

758
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: He went from four point six catches for sixty five

759
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: yards at age twenty seven to three point three for

760
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 2: forty six at age twenty eight, to just three point

761
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: one for thirty eight at age twenty nine. Now he's

762
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: we haven't seen him in a year. He's gonna be

763
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: thirty one, and you know, coming off an injury, new offense,

764
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: probably a lower volume offense than he's been on. It's

765
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: I just don't see the upside here.

766
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: I don't know.

767
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't know where his health is going to be.

768
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if he can, if he's still we

769
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: should STI expect him to stay healthy for a full year.

770
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: So again, I just don't see the upside for a

771
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: guy like Beckham. I think, And you know, even when

772
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: that rams during that ram Super Bowl run, he was

773
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: kind of living on touchdowns in a lot of those things.

774
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: It wasn't like he was always putting up you know,

775
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: seventy eighty ninety yards. So yeah, I think this could

776
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: be a situation where he should help Baltimore in real life,

777
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: But I don't think necessarily he's going to help fantasy

778
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: teams and be consistent in any type of way on

779
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: a week tw week basis. All Right, who else you got?

780
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: I'm also pretty hold on Well, let me just start

781
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: by saying, Jamison Williams ADP right now is wide receiver

782
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: forty five.

783
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: And this is one of those examples.

784
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: You know you coined it last year, Like, is the

785
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: market even factoring in or aware that he's suspended in

786
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: the first six games, because even if he wasn't suspended,

787
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: you know, I think it would make sense to draft

788
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: him in this range. You know, last year he had

789
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: a very disappointing rookie season, but we kind of knew

790
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: that going in. You know, he he tore his ACL

791
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: in the National Championship Game, which meant, you know, he

792
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: wasn't in a debut until the second half of the season.

793
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: But even after he debuted, you know, he was really limited.

794
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: Even when he was on the field, they didn't target

795
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: him much. His only catch on the season was that

796
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: forty one yard touchdown, which was just bust and coverage

797
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: by the Vikings. He had a nice forty yard run

798
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: on our reverse in a later I still think he

799
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: has a ton of upside, but you know, there's still

800
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: question marks like phill translate in the NFL. So just

801
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: the fact that he suspended six games, you know, count

802
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 3: me out at whide receiver forty five. Again, I'd rather

803
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: have potentially seventeen games of Jordan Addison or Quinton Johnson

804
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: than what eleven at most from Jamison Williams. So I

805
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: think his ADP is out of control right now.

806
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make much sense because he was looking

807
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: like he could potentially be a bust even if he plays,

808
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: which is.

809
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: Is there like any kind of like optimism that he

810
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 3: might be able to reverse the suspension or something that's

811
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: something that could make sense.

812
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: Not that I've heard. I think it's pretty cut and dry.

813
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: I think that he got caught on on on team grounds.

814
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at best ball ADP.

815
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: And again I'm one of the people that I think

816
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: sometimes you can get guys super cheap if they're expected

817
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 3: to miss six games, especially if it's non Andrew related,

818
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: like he's going to come back and be one hundred percent.

819
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: But still, I just can't wrap my head round this.

820
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: I think, you know, in the low sixties would be

821
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: a fair price, you know, missing six games, but I

822
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: just can't and I love the talent that I can't

823
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: get behind wide receiver forty five right now.

824
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of guys in this

825
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: range that they're just kind of it's it's early in

826
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: the offseason and they're just kind of there, and you know,

827
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: we would think they would kind of switch as and

828
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: kind of get into a better formation as the season

829
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: grows up. But another one for me, I'm out on

830
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: Adam Thielen. He's going to wide receiver forty nine. You know,

831
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: there's just nothing that I can point to because yeah,

832
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: like he was, you know, he was going here was

833
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: across from Jefferson, granted, but they felt the need to

834
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: like bring in a whole nother tight end to take

835
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: over that that number two role because Steven really was

836
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: not performing well in it. And if you just look

837
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: at the numbers, like whether it's advanced or basic, I mean,

838
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: career low ten point two yards per catch, career, low

839
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: one point one yards per route, career low two point

840
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: three yards after the catch, career low twenty one percent

841
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: could tested catch rate, which was about seventeen percent lower

842
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: than his previous low career low one point four percent

843
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: mistackle forced rate. His career low previously was about three

844
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: times that career low in uh p F fifth grade.

845
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: Career low in run blocking grade, you know, he had

846
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: just less than a yard per route run in the slot,

847
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: which is not good because that means he wasn't even

848
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: getting open on like easy stuff. Just everywhere you look,

849
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: he was trended down. I think that's why the Vikings

850
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: went out and got hockets, and I think that's why

851
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: they you know, let him go and went and just

852
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: drafted his replacements. So I don't think thewin, you know,

853
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: is gonna play well this year, and I think he's

854
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: a guy that he's a candidate to kind of fade

855
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: as the season progresses as well, because he's on the

856
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: older side. You know, we had questions about his health,

857
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: you know a few years ago, and he kind of

858
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: rebounded and he was living off touchdowns at times in

859
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: this Viking offense. But this Panther offense, you know, you

860
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: just don't expect, you know, even if Bryce Young is

861
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: what we think he's going to be, really don't expect

862
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: a massive amount of touchdowns to go around in year

863
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: one in this offense. So yeah, I think I think

864
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: the I'm out on you in the top fifty. I

865
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: just think there's, like you said, there's just more upside

866
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: with some of these younger guys where Steve, and I

867
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: think even if he starts the year with a couple

868
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: of decent games, you know it's gonna go downhill, so

869
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to You're gonna have to sell him high.

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00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

871
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: No, And I'm much higher on feeling than you obviously,

872
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: But I think this range, this is where you got

873
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: to take guys with the high ceiling and feel. And

874
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: I think he's a high flour guys still do like

875
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: he could legit be the number one target, So there

876
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: would be some situations where you would take him, especially

877
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: if he falls out of the top sixty. Let's say

878
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: you just take a bunch of high up so I

879
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: guess you.

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00:40:59,360 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: Take a J.

881
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: Williams and you just need you know, hired to just

882
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: give you some scores here and there. I think that's

883
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: when feeling makes sense. But obviously, just this range, we're

884
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: trying to target guys with higher upside than feeling.

885
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and similar you got any others there, That's it

886
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: for me. Yeah, I was just a couple more for me,

887
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: like a similar guys Jay Jones at wide receiver fifty three,

888
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 2: you know, with Calvin Ridley Christian Kirk as the top two,

889
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: and then you know Ingram really emerged last year. You're

890
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: looking at, you know, the number four target year. So

891
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: I think last year was a great year to kind

892
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: of you know, that was the year you wanted to

893
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: buy well on Jones, and now he's just kind of

894
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: sitting here as a third target, third wide receiver, probably

895
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: fourth in the target total poll for Jacksonville. I just

896
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: think there is more downside than upside, especially since day

897
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: Jones is you know, he's never been a wite or

898
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: anything like that. And then Tim Patrick another guy, he's

899
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: going wide receiver sixty one. That is just way too highly.

900
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 2: We don't even know if he's in favor at all

901
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: in this coach extem like the he might not even

902
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: have like a starting spot you know, out like penciled

903
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: in for him to compete for. Uh, he's coming off

904
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: an injury. He was never a guy that was you know,

905
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: considered a whit either. So I think, yeah, a lot

906
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: of guys in this range are just being drafted or

907
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: based on like some things that happened in the past,

908
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: But if you're projecting forward, I think there's a lot

909
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: of downside guys like Jay Jones and Tim Patrick. Yeah.

910
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: So I was gonna say Zay Jones, but he won

911
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: me so much money last year, I didn't do it,

912
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: but I do agree with you.

913
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: I yeah, he's not an elite talent, but he was

914
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: what a second rounder. He's talented.

915
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: But I think just having Calverly, you know, play on

916
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: the Jaguars this year as a massive hit because value plus.

917
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: I mean, if you remember at the end of last

918
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: season and of the playoffs, Evan Ingram just turned into

919
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: a monster. Where I remember in twenty twenty one it

920
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: was James Connor where we were like, if you watch him, it.

921
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: Matches the numbers. He was just a beast.

922
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: And if you watched Evan Ingram at though I know

923
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: he's always had talent, he's been inconsistent, but it looked

924
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: like he put it all together at the end of

925
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: last season. I mean, he looked really freaking good. So

926
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Speaker 3: I think Evan Ingram could keep that going into the season.

927
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 3: And that's just you know, Zay Jones is going to

928
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: be probably the number four target in this offense, so

929
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 3: that that's tough.

930
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: That's tough to take him in this range.

931
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: Love the guy, love the player, but yeah, fifty three

932
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 3: is probably too expensive.

933
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, DFS guy. More so I think than oh yeah,

934
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Jaguar, because the Jaguars will probably be

935
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: in some shootouts. I still don't think their defense is.

936
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: He'll be Yeah, he'll be four k stuck at four

937
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 3: k right right, yeah, you know, touchdown upside.

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