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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Third hour Clay and Buck kicks off now, everybody, and

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Speaker 2: we were talking before about how can it be? And

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, I've been texting even during

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Speaker 2: the show to day play in our and some of

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Speaker 2: our break friends of mine that be polling and and

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Speaker 2: people that are very in tune with the political climate,

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Speaker 2: and they're all saying, yeah, man, it's wild, but these

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Speaker 2: numbers are these numbers like, these are legit polls from

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Speaker 2: legit pollsters, and Trump.

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Speaker 3: Is way way out ahead of Biden.

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Speaker 2: Never mind the Republican primary field, but against Biden, it

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Speaker 2: is right now looking like he would win every swing state.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he's not gonna win California, but Trump would

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Speaker 2: win if the election were tomorrow. And people keep saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're falling for it. I see this on Twitter. I

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Speaker 2: probably should have pattench this stuff with.

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Speaker 3: Like, well, are you falling? I'm not falling for anything.

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Speaker 2: This is just what the polls are saying right now,

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Speaker 2: which is interesting because it's it's the only thing we have,

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Speaker 2: the only metric we really have to gauge political sentiment

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Speaker 2: in the country. And it is very surprising, and it's

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Speaker 2: from it. There is no one who is saying, oh no,

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Speaker 2: look at these polls. These are telling you the real

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Speaker 2: All the poles say the same thing. And when that's happening,

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Speaker 2: and it's not in a margin of error situation, it's

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Speaker 2: not like Trump up to or Biden up one or up.

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Speaker 3: Ten in Michigan, this is crazy. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So then we get Clay to what we talked to

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Speaker 2: Center Advance about a few moments ago or last hour,

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Speaker 2: which is they must think that the ace up the

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Speaker 2: sleeve here, you know, otherwise the Democrats would be an

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Speaker 2: absolute panic.

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Speaker 3: And I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: You know, when we've talked about how I was saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: get ready, because they're going to do the whole insurrection

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Speaker 2: January sixth, Trump is hitler all this stuff. They're starting it,

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Speaker 2: and it certainly hasn't really felt like it's landing yet either.

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Speaker 2: So I think that will increase the panic Democrats feel

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Speaker 2: over all this stuff. But ultimately, it seems, and JD

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Speaker 2: said this as well, they think the ace up the

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Speaker 2: sleeve is the legal situation. Now, Clay, we know that

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Speaker 2: Jack Smith, the Special Council has taken a pretty interesting

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Speaker 2: action here. This was just breaking today when it comes

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Speaker 2: to trying to make sure that he can get that.

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Speaker 2: This is the chuck Kin Judge Chuckkin DC based January

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Speaker 2: sixth case, right, This is the one that I thought

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Speaker 2: was the likeliest federal case to happen and the one

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Speaker 2: where a DC jury will probably convict Trump. Right, So

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Speaker 2: this is where he faces jeopardy in that sense. Clay,

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Speaker 2: take us through souse. I know you've you've been looking

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Speaker 2: at what's in this appeal that Smith has has put.

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Speaker 2: What do we need to know and how is it

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Speaker 2: likely to affect the timeline of whether this because if

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Speaker 2: the trial doesn't happened before the election, and especially if

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Speaker 2: Trump wins, it's all over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is important.

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Speaker 1: So let let's just kind of take a step back

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Speaker 1: and let's think rationally about where we are, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to try to walk through it slowly, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, if you have questions about this, I'm working

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Speaker 1: through it too. And maybe there are Supreme Court attorneys

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Speaker 1: out there listening, are former clerks that can even give

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Speaker 1: us a better sense of timing on things like this.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred two eight two two eight A two And

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Speaker 1: you heard jd. Vance say, Look, I'm not an expert

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Speaker 1: in all of the minutia of the arguments, but I

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Speaker 1: believe Donald Trump has a very strong legal argument that

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Speaker 1: all of his activities that they are trying to prosecute

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Speaker 1: him for now are within the bounds of his presidential powers.

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Speaker 3: Acts.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is related to everything January sixth connected, right.

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Speaker 1: I think the case in South Florida dealing with whether

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Speaker 1: he could have possession of the classified documents, that's another case.

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Speaker 3: So I'm putting that on off the table right now.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at Atlanta, and if you look

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Speaker 1: Fanny Willis. I think in Atlanta these would this would

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Speaker 1: relate to these two. One is federal, one of state.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to rush through these cases because they want

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Speaker 1: to brand Trump as a felon, because they believe it

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Speaker 1: They're making very concrete, i think, legitimate legal arguments that

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Speaker 1: these are within his presidential powers. But the timing here

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Speaker 1: is is really important because what's happening is right now,

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Speaker 1: this case. And again if I'm wrong, staff, listen to

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Speaker 1: these facts. Right now, the case in d C is

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Speaker 1: scheduled for March fourth, that is basically two months after

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Speaker 1: the first of the year. Right, January first happens, Boom,

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Speaker 1: We're almost straight into the Judge Chuckkin January sixth, Jack

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Speaker 1: Smith case, first one that's going to go to trial.

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Speaker 1: And Trump's team is saying, wait a minute, you don't

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Speaker 1: have the right to engage in these charges. I have

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Speaker 1: not engaged in criminal behavior. This is within the scope

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Speaker 1: of my presidential powers. They're now arguing this in front

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Speaker 1: of the courts and Judge Chuckkin. The trial court has

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Speaker 1: rejected it. Trump has appealed her decision to the DC Circuit,

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Speaker 1: which is the next court group up. What has happened

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Speaker 1: today is Jack Smith has jumped over the DC Circuit

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Speaker 3: And sidential power. Now.

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Speaker 1: The reason he's doing it, Buck is Jack Smith I

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Speaker 1: think is getting nervous based on the timeline here because

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Speaker 1: they need to start jury's selection basically right now in

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Speaker 1: order to be able to get a verdict before the election.

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Speaker 2: And can I just add right now that as if

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Speaker 2: we needed any more proof of how political this is.

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Speaker 2: It should just be a process that they go through

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Speaker 2: without concern about a looming election. A looming election for

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Speaker 2: an indictment that has already been brought.

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Speaker 3: Should they waited until this time of the election to

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Speaker 3: bring this is what I mean.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is manipulated against Trump in a political fashion.

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Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with the criminal justice system

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Speaker 2: in the sense that this is normal or ordinary process.

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Speaker 2: They waited to launch this an election year, and now

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Speaker 2: they're trying to manipulate the process in the election year

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Speaker 2: so they can get this done in the timeline they

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Speaker 2: want to be as politically damaging to Trump as possible.

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Speaker 3: Trump is an American citizen. I know, he's a former

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Speaker 3: president and likely future president now too.

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Speaker 2: He's an American citizen. He should have his full rights.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about a federal criminal trial that could

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Speaker 2: theoretically clay lock him up for decades. I mean, federal

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Speaker 2: charges all carry like a ten year you know sentence,

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Speaker 2: and there's mandatory minimums could come into play. And they're

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Speaker 2: playing games with this because they want to make sure

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Speaker 2: they get it before he can become president. Like you

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Speaker 2: see what I mean? This is Yeah, this is the

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Speaker 2: system is rigged anow. They're even trying to rig it

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Speaker 2: more to destroy him. And again, I think that this

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Speaker 2: might be what's driving the Trump's numbers keep going up.

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Speaker 2: I think people are seeing this and they're like, it's

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Speaker 2: too gross.

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Speaker 3: It's too gross.

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Speaker 1: So here is where it gets really interesting. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, I believe, can say no, let's wait

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Speaker 1: and see what the DC Circuit Court, the DC Court

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Speaker 1: that's normally the way it would go. Right Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: is trying to expedite this case. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court buck couldn't also say, look, no, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to expedite the case. We're going to kick

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Speaker 1: DC Circuit. They'll review it, they'll issue their opinions. Then

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Speaker 1: that would be the appeal. Would the next go to

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Speaker 1: this Supreme Court, which the Trump team has said, certainly,

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Speaker 1: we're going to appeal this to the Supreme Court. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why the Supreme Court can't, And I had

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Speaker 1: is the end of April. Have that oral argument heard

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Speaker 1: to issue opinions until late June. I'm not sure exactly.

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Speaker 1: Maybe our team can look out when the last day

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Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court can issue an opinion. You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of times they wait buck until the very

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Speaker 1: But if the Supreme Court scheduled an oral argument for

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Speaker 1: So to me, on some level, by trying to go

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Speaker 1: you move into twenty four the more challenging. Like, remember,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to spend months getting a jury. Are

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Speaker 1: just delay. They can delay. I question if the Supreme

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Speaker 1: that this case basically isn't now. They could also say

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Speaker 1: if they allowed the case to proceed, they could basically

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Speaker 1: time bar it. When I'm looking at the calendar, and

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong on this, somebody can call in and

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Speaker 1: tell me what I'm missing. But it seems to me

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Speaker 1: that would certainly be in play. And here are the

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Speaker 1: political implications of this. If the DC case is either

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to do that, by the way.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't think even with a six to

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Speaker 2: three conservative majority, they're gonna say, yeah, we're just gonna

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Speaker 3: Although maybe I don't know who knows but Clay.

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Speaker 2: If they can't get Trump on this one, the New

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Speaker 2: York case, no one takes seriously. Even Democrats can't keep

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Speaker 2: a straight face with the thirty one counts of writing

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Speaker 2: the wrong thing down. Again, if you believe what Alvin

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Speaker 2: to believe that Trump could pay off a dozen mistresses

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Speaker 2: with campaign funds. You have to believe that it's a

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Speaker 2: campaign expenditure. Right, this is the whole thing, and that

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Speaker 2: he didn't list it as a campaign expenditure and therefore

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Speaker 2: violated New York state law. And because it also ties

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Speaker 2: It does not does not hold up at all. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Florida Trial Island Judge Ileen Cannon, it's set to start May.

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Speaker 3: Is that right June? I think they haven't a fit.

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Speaker 3: It's in the it's in may or June.

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Speaker 1: But they basically have acknowledged that they're in the on

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Speaker 1: deck circle waiting for whatever happens in DC and gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: You get one I don't think it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: You get one Trump voter, one Trump voter on that jury,

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Speaker 2: and you're gonna have you. Yeah, you may not get

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Speaker 2: an acquittal, you'll have hung jury. Though there's no way

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Speaker 2: you get one Trump voter on that jury. And they're

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Speaker 2: gonna say, we all know what this is. Sorry, not

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Speaker 2: gonna happen. Okay, So I don't think he's in real

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Speaker 2: jeopardy there, Atlanta. Thing is just that you know the

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Speaker 3: What does that do to court legitimacy? Something to think about.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're going

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Speaker 2: So allegedly back now we can get at Ryan's Hey.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so this is basically a checkmate moved by the

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Speaker 5: So here you have a situation where they're trying to

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Speaker 5: after poll after poll where he's up. They got a

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Speaker 5: Whether it's an outlier or not, the consistency with the

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Speaker 1: I think it's a desperation move to try to get

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Speaker 3: Do it today.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump leading with an outright majority in Iowa fifty

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Speaker 2: Biggest lead for a Republican at this stage before the

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Speaker 3: And that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people that are looking at

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Speaker 2: a lot of things gonna happen. Okay, fine, I want

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Speaker 2: Let's take Dave in Salt Lake City. We I believe

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Speaker 2: the show is number one. We love you, Salt Lake.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Dave?

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Speaker 6: Hey, not much and the show isn't umber one out here?

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Speaker 6: Thank you guys, what you do, Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 6: I want to start by saying patriot props to you guys.

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Speaker 6: You guys are my top patriots. So they go to

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Speaker 6: my information and you know, I just read an article

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Speaker 6: But based on everything that's happened now, I've warmed up

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Speaker 6: to him. And if they convict him, if he's a

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Speaker 1: You're more likely to vote for him if he gets

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Speaker 2: But Dave, to be fair, it sounds a little bit

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Speaker 2: like you're already at the at ten on the dial

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Speaker 3: Is that is that fair?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I think at this point, yeah, I think that's probably

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Speaker 6: a fair assessment. I would vote for him now, But

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Speaker 6: I definitely my vote will be stealed there. It won't

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Speaker 6: be anything, and it will change's if he's convicted fellon

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Speaker 6: come election day, He's got my vote, no matter what.

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Speaker 6: I thank you days any of the US they're railroading

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Speaker 2: Clay, do you think when I make the this is

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Speaker 1: I think that's such a cliche now. I don't even

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Speaker 2: So people just know about take the dollar to eleven,

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Speaker 3: That's a that's a fair point. All right, Fair enough

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Speaker 3: Joe in South Carolina.

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Speaker 7: What you got for us, gentlemen, Thank you so much

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Speaker 7: for taking my call. One of the things that I'd

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Speaker 7: Every election cycle, we always see the polls represent them

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Speaker 2: So wait, Joe, Joe, can we can we roll with

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Speaker 7: they hide those numbers. They try to show that those

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Speaker 7: numbers are less than what they are. In this case,

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Speaker 7: I do believe Trump is up that many points, maybe

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Speaker 7: even more, but Joe Biden needs to go according to

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Speaker 7: the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but so let me I'm sure I'm just trying

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Speaker 1: to follow your logic here.

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Speaker 3: All right, So you.

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Speaker 7: Believe that Trump is mine, it's Russia's.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, Russia is in assessment, due respect, you're calling

447
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Speaker 2: in reacting to the polls that are going on right now.

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Speaker 3: So I'm asking you what is your theory?

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Speaker 7: Well, my theory is is that they want to replace

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden and put somebody in that's more electable. Uh

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Speaker 7: and uh, or to try to possibly well listen too,

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Speaker 7: thinking that you know that the gap is a lot

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Speaker 7: wider than what it is, so that we do run

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Speaker 7: Trump so that they can easily defeat him in the Okay,

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Speaker 7: so you believe.

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Speaker 3: He believes the Trump trap theory. Just to be clear, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So absolutely, Okay, So.

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Speaker 1: I guess the next question is if why the only So,

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Speaker 1: First of all.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe it. Okay.

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Speaker 1: My position is if there are one hundred poles out there,

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Speaker 1: and that's an exaggeration, Let's say there's fifteen polls right

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Speaker 1: now and they're all saying basically the same thing, and

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Speaker 1: Trump has uniformly right. Anybody out there listening to me,

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Speaker 1: the polls have consistently undervalued Trump since he entered into

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Speaker 1: the political arenas, since he came down that staircase at

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Speaker 1: Trump Tower twenty fifteen, all the way through twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: every pole undervalued Trump, undersold him. It doesn't make sense

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Speaker 1: to me that now everybody would be overvaluing Trump, right, Like, what.

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Speaker 3: Would the logic be behind that? Are you supporting Trump

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Speaker 3: in the primary?

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Speaker 7: Oh? Absolutely, I am. I supported Trump in the U

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Speaker 7: in both previous elections as well. I was a little

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Speaker 7: bit slow to come on board back in sixteen, but

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Speaker 7: definitely got on board shortly after he walked came down

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Speaker 7: that escalator.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're so, but so, like, what would the

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Speaker 1: I don't understand the rationale. I agree with you that

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Speaker 1: Biden is a bad candidate, but I think he's a

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Speaker 1: bad candidate because the polls are accurately reflecting the fact

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Speaker 1: that seventy five percent of Americans think that Biden is

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Speaker 1: too old and too mentally incompetent to be president. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Republicans, Democrats, and Independence, it's like the only

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Speaker 1: thing in America they basically agree on now is Biden's

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Speaker 1: too old. So I guess what I'm saying is in

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Speaker 1: order for a grand conspiracy to exist, someone.

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Speaker 7: Trying to Benefiden, okay, but trying to replace Biden.

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Speaker 3: So they're exaggerate.

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Speaker 1: So you think that, Okay, So take a step back,

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Speaker 1: you think that Biden is actually way more popular, because

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Speaker 1: that's the only way your logic applies.

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Speaker 7: Right, No, no, no, they wouldn't be releasing these numbers

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Speaker 7: accurately if they didn't want to replace Joe Biden they would.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but do you understand my logic. What you're saying

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Speaker 1: only makes sense if Joe Biden is actually way more

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Speaker 1: popular than the polls are reflecting, and they are then

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Speaker 1: driving him down to try to put pressure on him

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Speaker 1: to drop out. If the polls are accurate, they don't

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Speaker 1: need to adjust them. The only reason they would need

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Speaker 1: to adjust them is if Biden is actually five points

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Speaker 1: higher nationwide than he than the polls are saying, right,

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Speaker 1: the logic of what you're arguing only thanks for the call.

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Speaker 3: Do you understand that I appreciation would why? Yeah, But look,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate Joe calling in, appreciate him listening to us.

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Speaker 2: I just say, it is possible that Joe Biden is

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Speaker 2: weak right now for all the reasons that we know,

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Speaker 2: and the polls are accurately reflecting this, and that is

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Speaker 2: a part of the discussion about why he should be

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Speaker 2: replaced among Democrats. But the notion that this is being

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Speaker 2: this is your point, manipulated to change numbers, to shape

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Speaker 2: perception in a way that makes Biden look even worse.

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Speaker 2: Where's the evidence? Where's the evidence for that? You would

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Speaker 2: have to believe? And I think this is what you're

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Speaker 2: getting at, that in reality Biden's actually up three or

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Speaker 2: four points or whatever on Trump naturally, that in reality

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Speaker 2: Biden's actually beating him in these swing states.

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Speaker 1: And the Trump argument, the anti Trump argument that I

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Speaker 1: will hear in that social media seems fired up about,

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Speaker 1: is oh, they're rigging things for Trump because they want

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Speaker 1: him to be the nominee.

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Speaker 3: And then as soon as he's the nominee.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they're pulling the rug out from underneath him, and

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Speaker 1: it actually turns out everybody hates Trump.

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Speaker 2: I think we could we can just on the shorthands

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Speaker 2: from the same page. That's the Trump trap, right, it's

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Speaker 2: a track. Yes, for those of you remember that meme,

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Speaker 2: it's a trap. That's the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: You don't buy the Trump trap theory at all? Right?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, No, I don't not buy the Trump Well.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I think that the polls. I don't

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Speaker 2: believe that there's some hidden hand manipulating the poles.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that. Not a polling expert, but I'm

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Speaker 3: just I don't see that. I think you can.

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Speaker 2: I think you can also manipulate polls based on the

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Speaker 2: sample size and how you ask the question, everything else.

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Speaker 2: But to get so many polls so clearly saying the

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Speaker 2: same thing. You can manipulate a pole a few points,

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Speaker 2: just like you can manipulate elections a few points. But

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Speaker 2: when you're talking about being up ten points in Michigan,

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Speaker 2: and this is in line with big wins and other

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Speaker 2: swing states, Trump up six you know here and seven there,

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Speaker 2: something else is going on. It's too broad of a

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Speaker 2: sentiment for it to all just be a manipulation. Now,

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Speaker 2: on the point about the Trump trap, I think that

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Speaker 2: Democrats want to run against Trump.

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Speaker 3: I do believe that.

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Speaker 2: I think they view it now, this is their perception, okay.

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Speaker 2: I think they view Trump as the most beatable by Biden.

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Speaker 2: I think they could be wrong, and right now there

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Speaker 2: may be a whole oh my gosh moment they're probably

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Speaker 2: not saying gosh, you know or holy you know what

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Speaker 2: moment where they're saying, we might have miscalculated in the

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Speaker 2: Trump trap in the first place. That's because because remember

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Speaker 2: the bringing the indictments, it was understandable there was going

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Speaker 2: to be some consolidation of the base. If we step back,

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Speaker 2: base consolidation makes sense. But we're seeing more than base consolidation.

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Speaker 1: I think what they have not taken into account is

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Speaker 1: and by the way, I think you should be skeptical

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Speaker 1: of everyone in a position of power, right so, I

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Speaker 1: don't think being skeptical is wrong.

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Speaker 3: I think what you have to be careful of is

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Speaker 3: just because one.

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Speaker 1: Thing is true, like it was true for everybody out

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Speaker 1: there listening that they exaggerated the threats of COVID, and

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Speaker 1: they also exaggerated the efficacy of the.

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Speaker 3: COVID shot, right.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to be careful believing that there

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Speaker 1: is a grand puppet master who is able to enact

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Speaker 1: fifteen simultaneous conspiracies. Because if polsters, and remember some of

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Speaker 1: the pollsters, for instance, are actually Republicans, right, their entire

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Speaker 1: basis of existence is to get things right. So I

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Speaker 1: think right now what they have missed on Buck is

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Speaker 1: the story is Biden's weakness and incompetence, which is why

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Speaker 1: I think that they never anticipated they would ever get

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Speaker 1: to a spot where seventy five percent of Americans would

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Speaker 1: think Biden's too old and too incompetent to be president.

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Speaker 2: And I would I would add to this Clay when

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Speaker 2: we say things like Biden's weakness, you know, we're all

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Speaker 2: we see this in the debate stage a lot, and

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Speaker 2: people using political language like no week on the world stage,

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Speaker 2: and I always say, okay, well what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Give me the what when you say Biden is weak?

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Speaker 2: There are real tangible statistical data base things. You know,

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Speaker 2: the average home in America right now, the average mortgage

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Speaker 2: payment has what is it, It's gone from like nearly

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Speaker 2: it's basically double. This has gone from like sex seventeen

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Speaker 2: hundred a month to thirty two or thirty three.

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Speaker 3: Hundred a month.

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Speaker 2: That means for the middle class, for folks you know,

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Speaker 2: making making you know, forty to one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars or whatever it is, home ownership is not

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Speaker 2: a thing you're getting into right now. And then you

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Speaker 2: add the cost of goods because of inflation, because of

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Speaker 2: the excessive government spending, you have the worst border we've

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Speaker 2: ever seen. You add the continued Democrat cozying up to

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Speaker 2: lawlessness and crime in major cities, which you know Biden

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Speaker 2: doesn't really get tagged with, but generally speaking, it's something

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Speaker 2: of Democrats that drags them down. You know, he's weak

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Speaker 2: for good reason right now, right He's weak for reasons

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Speaker 2: that can be articulated, and that we articulate here, So

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Speaker 2: it all makes sense. That's that's the reason why I

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Speaker 2: don't discount the numbers, because what's the counter argument, right

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Speaker 2: The counter argument is a is Trump is hitler, which

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Speaker 2: I think isn't working.

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Speaker 1: And again I would just point out Trump has been

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Speaker 1: under underutilized or undervalued, I should say, in the polls

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Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen. So if there were some grand you know,

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Speaker 1: plan at stake.

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Speaker 3: I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't add up the conspiracy theory unless you are

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Speaker 1: an anti Trump person and you're saying, oh, I love

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, I love Ron DeSantis, And what's really going

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Speaker 1: on here is Trump is super weak and they're trying

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Speaker 1: to goad you into making him the nominee. And then

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Speaker 1: my problem with that is, so you think every polster

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Speaker 1: is simultaneously trying to rig the game against Trump.

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Speaker 2: I mean, also, you know, if all it takes is

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Speaker 2: one polster, we don't even have outlier polls here, folks.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, we're.

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Speaker 2: Not even saying, you know, three of the four main

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Speaker 2: ones that have come out or indicating this, they are

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Speaker 2: all speaking with the same voice. Imagine if you could

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Speaker 2: be the one poll that gets it right, or the

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Speaker 2: one polster who's actually closer to what the reality ends

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Speaker 2: up being.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know these things change, the numbers will change over time.

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Speaker 2: The point is, though, you want to be the guy

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Speaker 2: who looks for the gal who looks the most accurate

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Speaker 2: on this. I don't see the conspiracy. I think the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: I think, at some level, the system. And now we're

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Speaker 2: talking about DJ and the Biden White House. So now

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Speaker 2: we can start to identify the actors that Democrat apparatus

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Speaker 2: thought that they could consolidate with the indictments of Trump

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Speaker 2: and then finish him off legally and what they may

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Speaker 2: and so there was a Trump trapped component.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do believe that.

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Speaker 2: But what we're seeing is Democrats realizing, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: it's not just a base consolidation for the primary. There

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Speaker 2: may be something else going on. He may be picking

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Speaker 2: up steam for independents who are outraged by this, and

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Speaker 2: they may not be able to finish him off legally,

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Speaker 2: which would mean that they've miscalculated on both ends of

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Speaker 2: this possible.

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Speaker 1: And it would also be old school boy who cried

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Speaker 1: wolf scenario, because they're trying to run the same game

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Speaker 1: plan that they've run before and finally it doesn't work anymore.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a reason you have to change up

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Speaker 1: advertising campaigns. It's because if you run the same playbook

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again, eventually you start to

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Speaker 1: land on deaf years. And I think that that's what's

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Speaker 1: going on. I think this is all about Biden, not

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Speaker 1: about Trump. I think this is about Biden's weakness. Remember,

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Speaker 1: I've said for some time, I think the veg Gramaswami,

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, or Donald Trump, any of the

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We got a few more callers who want to weigh in.

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Speaker 1: We'll take some quick calls here. Encourage you by the way,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get too deep into it right now.

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Speaker 2: Then to say we've got some guests that will be

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Speaker 2: I want to just continue. You know, this is what happens, Clint.

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Speaker 2: I end up texting about thoughts and things after the

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on right now, other than

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Speaker 2: I'm not hearing good explanations from anybody who thinks that

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Speaker 2: this is somehow all fake, like it's it's a conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: Trump isn't so far ahead, Biden isn't so weak, so

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Speaker 2: something's something's up, And I don't think it's all a fabrication.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 1: I think Look, the general rule was that Awkham's razor.

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Speaker 1: The most most likely explanation is typically the truth doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean it always is. The most likely explanation is this,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is what all of the media

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Speaker 1: polls are.

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Speaker 3: Reflecting right now.

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Speaker 1: Biden is the weakest incumbent presidential candidate in any.

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Speaker 3: Of our laws, and most people don't think he's able

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Speaker 3: to do the job.

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Speaker 1: And as a result, when given an option, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Icky Haley, Ron De Santis, or vivek Ramaswami,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say, I'm not picking Biden, and

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Speaker 1: I think Tucker's VP would be interesting.

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Speaker 3: Klay very much,