Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Devin Simone and I'm.
Speaker 2: Tory Deal and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: Ooh, and this episode. I'm still reeling from the Daily Challenge,
Speaker 1: partially because I don't fully understand it. But there was
Speaker 1: twist and elimination, so much goodness, Tory, how do you feel?
Speaker 2: I mean, it was incredible. I mean to just quickly
Speaker 2: go over everything that happened. Like, let's talk about reckon Roll.
Speaker 2: It's that ridiculous challenge. We're in these cages, smashing into columns,
Speaker 2: grabbing puzzle pieces, solving the puzzle.
Speaker 3: Blue Team wins again. Tiff is not surprised. Tiff is
Speaker 3: over it. Oh, but it's okay because we saved her.
Speaker 3: The vets go back.
Speaker 2: And we decided Tiff isn't the biggest threat. Mikayla's name
Speaker 2: gets on the board.
Speaker 3: Tyler.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about this backdoor conversation going on
Speaker 2: where Tyler knew he was going to be put up.
Speaker 2: I felt bad when I said Tyler's name. I had
Speaker 2: no idea that plan was going on. They're very calculated,
Speaker 2: those Big Brother people. But ultimately it was a girl's day,
Speaker 2: which was what the Big Brother people wanted to happen. Mikayla,
Speaker 2: unfortunately though, went against Tiff, which is not part of
Speaker 2: the Big Brother plan, hoping that it was going to
Speaker 2: be Chanel and unfortunately for Tiffany, Mikaela took this one home.
Speaker 2: Mikayla was gonna take my spot. But at the game
Speaker 2: change a lot. There's a lot going on. It was
Speaker 2: a big episode.
Speaker 1: There was a lot going on. It's so many things.
Speaker 1: I mean, we see Josh both scheming, then we see
Speaker 1: him pop off at Tiff, and then we see Tiff
Speaker 1: pop off at him. Uh. We see Wes's like speech
Speaker 1: of of why won't you love me? Love me? Choose me,
Speaker 1: want me. We see just a lot happening in this episode,
Speaker 1: which makes it so good. All right, I have to
Speaker 1: know gold Star and timeouts. There's some honorable mentions as well,
Speaker 1: like so many should I.
Speaker 3: Gold star for sure? What do you want to start it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Take it away?
Speaker 1: No? No? No, you go go the drunk uncles? Yes, like
Speaker 1: we it has to go to Yes.
Speaker 2: Listen, I know a lot of people want the Vets
Speaker 2: out of the game, but the only people confident enough
Speaker 2: to make a scene like that happen.
Speaker 3: Are best like Bananas and West say.
Speaker 1: So so good, I really am. I hope that at
Speaker 1: the end of this season we get a montage of
Speaker 1: Banana and West moments just even collectively from the season,
Speaker 1: because there's so many highs and low it's just really funny,
Speaker 1: it is. It's really entertaining. Who gets your time out?
Speaker 3: I don't know. You tell me who your time out
Speaker 3: is first.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you're gonna have to give one. But okay, first,
Speaker 1: let me start with my honorable mentions of greatness in
Speaker 1: this episode. Okay, honorable mentions of greatness. First, I want
Speaker 1: to shout out FeSi rocking his construction job outfit. He looked.
Speaker 1: You'll see in the elimination. Just go back and look
Speaker 1: at him standing up there. Want to shout that out.
Speaker 1: The drunk uncles all hilarious. Josh when he pops off
Speaker 1: at Tiff, well, yeah, at Tiff, and then Tiff claps back,
Speaker 1: and then at the end, Josh is scratching his ear
Speaker 1: and he just goes, best of love girl. So funny.
Speaker 1: Go back and rewatch it if you missed it. It
Speaker 1: is just hilarious how he did that. Shout out to
Speaker 1: the editors for highlighting tips one goal they replayed it
Speaker 1: four time, so for a brief moment, it looks like
Speaker 1: she made moment. I was like, wait a minute, is
Speaker 1: to catch me up? She wasn't, but I appreciate them
Speaker 1: rooting for her. I also appreciate her pushing through it. Also,
Speaker 1: those same editors that were supportive of Tip are shady
Speaker 1: as hell because when they start talking about like next
Speaker 1: week's episode, and actually, I think it's you, Tory who's
Speaker 1: giving the narration, just sort of saying like it's an
Speaker 1: individual's get you know, people were gonna be worried, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's you? You're like people may have forgotten that it's
Speaker 1: an individual game, and I think there are gonna be
Speaker 1: some people who are worried. Like I'm confident in it
Speaker 1: being individual, but some people are gonna be worried. The
Speaker 1: editors pretty sure. They cut to Alyssa s two or
Speaker 1: three times in that moment, which is shady And I'm
Speaker 1: not shade. Look, I know my place in the chowing,
Speaker 1: so I'm not shady. I'm just observing and the editors
Speaker 1: are shady. And also another honorable mention of a great
Speaker 1: moment is when Mikayla, who was ready, I mean she
Speaker 1: gives me this like fear listeness that I almost feel
Speaker 1: like she becomes dangerous, dangerous in the sense of just
Speaker 1: unstoppable because she's like so smart. Many of you guys
Speaker 1: have said, she's so strong, she's so determined, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like she's gonna be one of those unstoppable female challengers.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like if you if you don't get
Speaker 1: her out like they did the first season, she was
Speaker 1: on like in episode one, you're in trouble because she's
Speaker 1: just building momentum and she's she's gonna crush it. That's
Speaker 1: how I feel. But I love that she's like, I
Speaker 1: have a decision to make and TJ was like, no,
Speaker 1: you don't. So good.
Speaker 3: Oh that's my favorite part of the whole night. I
Speaker 3: was like, thank.
Speaker 1: God, dude, Oh my god, that was so so, so
Speaker 1: so good. I think my gold star has to go
Speaker 1: to Tiff for pushing through something she you know, having
Speaker 1: a big fear of heights and being so terrified. I
Speaker 1: think that that you just that was a win for her.
Speaker 1: I think ultimately so she gets my gold star. I
Speaker 1: think my time out goes to who does my time
Speaker 1: him outgo to? I mean sort of Josh for inserting
Speaker 1: himself in Tip's moment, but but not, I mean sort of,
Speaker 1: but he also it equals itself out because he did
Speaker 1: a really good job at scheming and masterminding this plan.
Speaker 1: Actually I lied. I take all that back. So Tip's
Speaker 1: shirt she gets gold star, but it's going to be
Speaker 1: split with Tyler because Tyler knowing that he was going
Speaker 1: to be the vote and being okay, being like the
Speaker 1: fall guy in the pond. That's brave or dumb, but
Speaker 1: or brave.
Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, I respect it because there there
Speaker 2: was guy votes on the board still, so anything could
Speaker 2: have happened, and we saw with the Eliza Lopez vote,
Speaker 2: one vote can write you in, like right, that's it's
Speaker 2: a risky.
Speaker 3: Thing to do. But yeah, I definitely think that my.
Speaker 2: Time out is going to have to go to the
Speaker 2: entirety of the Green team, which is like the fourth
Speaker 2: time I've done this this season because I really taking
Speaker 2: a shot of them, But no, this one's warranted.
Speaker 3: You don't get to see it.
Speaker 2: But they forgot an entire letter one of their tires
Speaker 2: during the challenge, so they couldn't even solve the puzzle
Speaker 2: if they wanted to. So I think I think that
Speaker 2: just because you know, Chris was over there, he was
Speaker 2: hyped to finally work with them, and the fact that
Speaker 2: they forgot a whole letter and everybody else did a
Speaker 2: pretty good job.
Speaker 3: This episode, I got to give my time out to
Speaker 3: the Green team again.
Speaker 1: Oh Green, Oh Green. Just a mess, a mess from
Speaker 1: the start, really just a mess. But now we get
Speaker 1: to see it as an individual game because TJ gave
Speaker 1: that huge twist. As he likes to do, he's either
Speaker 1: giving us a fashion moment or a game moment. I
Speaker 1: feel like they're not usually both in the same episode,
Speaker 1: but here he gave us a very very like necessary
Speaker 1: needed game moment when he said it's now an individual's game.
Speaker 1: Because I'm intrigued to see how this. We know that
Speaker 1: next week you guys play individually, but in the past,
Speaker 1: even when it's an individual game, they still sometimes shift
Speaker 1: up like pairings and groupings until the numbers get smaller,
Speaker 1: which I feel like is probably going to happen here,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, just very interested in it all.
Speaker 2: I am excited for you guys to see this part
Speaker 2: of the season. This is probably my favorite part of
Speaker 2: the season because it totally shakes the house up. Everything
Speaker 2: every alliance that you thought you knew. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: some of them still exist under the surface, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people use this as an opportunity to create
Speaker 2: new strong bonds. So this truly is a midway point
Speaker 2: where the game takes an entirely different turn from here
Speaker 2: on out, and I think it's going to be really
Speaker 2: exciting to watch.
Speaker 1: So I'm are strong bonds what we're calling what goes
Speaker 1: on between you and Sebastian Tori.
Speaker 2: It's actually not where we're gonna seeing more towards mark
Speaker 2: my words, guys, like lightly tangled.
Speaker 3: That feels more like.
Speaker 1: Lightly it feels okay, august Alsina, all right? Is that okay?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Tanglement?
Speaker 1: All right? So much there's so much still to come
Speaker 1: this season and we will be talking about it all
Speaker 1: and there's so much to come, even in this episode
Speaker 1: of the podcast, because we have one of the greatest commentators,
Speaker 1: someone who's very funny, very open, and very real. We
Speaker 1: have the fatabulous Tiffany Mitchell. On this episode. We get
Speaker 1: to hear it all, We get some inside tea, even
Speaker 1: Toy spills some secrets. So grab a snack, to your thing,
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere, pull your dog into the room, Pull
Speaker 1: your cat into the room, Pull a friend into the
Speaker 1: room to listen to the podcast with you. Don't go
Speaker 1: anywhere because you are not gonna want to miss this
Speaker 1: interview with Tiffany from Big Brother.
Speaker 4: Right after this, you guys today, we have a treat
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, i'd say she's moving right on up there
Speaker 1: to a commentary Queen. This girl is hilarious and where
Speaker 1: she may not always have the aim when it comes
Speaker 1: to shooting the ball, she has the aim when it
Speaker 1: comes to the comments and the thing that she says.
Speaker 1: She's from Big Brother twenty three, she's officially now a
Speaker 1: two time challenger. Please help us welcome the fabulous Tiffany Mitchell.
Speaker 2: Whoo.
Speaker 5: Hello, what's how are we? How are you? I'm doing fabulous?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 1: I mean, how have you been since we last spoke
Speaker 1: to you on the chal Usa season one? What have
Speaker 1: you been up to?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, So when you last talked to me
Speaker 5: you have SA season one. My mind was completely made
Speaker 5: up that you'd never talked to me again. I was like, yeah, honey,
Speaker 5: that was fun and all, but I don't know. It's
Speaker 5: just something happens. Your phone rings and they say, well,
Speaker 5: do it again, and you just go, yeah, I'll be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the challenge is like the toxic X you
Speaker 3: can't get rid of. You're like, ship really is bah?
Speaker 5: You talk, you talk to your friends about it. You're like, no,
Speaker 5: that ship is not worth it. I know my value,
Speaker 5: I know my worth. I will you don't have to
Speaker 5: worry about it. I'm he healed. I will not be
Speaker 5: there again. Then they call you and they're like, girl,
Speaker 5: what are you doing this weekend? Oh, I'm packing, I'm
Speaker 5: getting ready to go back. That is literally alone.
Speaker 1: The best analogy ever. You guys, it really is.
Speaker 5: We got better, We worked, we worked up all different.
Speaker 5: I learned some things from the last time, and I
Speaker 5: think that we both grew and we realized that we
Speaker 5: want we want to give you one more shot so
Speaker 5: I can one more shot.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm happy you did, because that gave us the
Speaker 2: opportunity to play together. Obviously, you know, you came in
Speaker 2: with big brother, I came in with the vets, but
Speaker 2: you were always a light to be around. Tip Seriously,
Speaker 2: and one thing I loved about in this episode is
Speaker 2: the heartfelt moment you had in the beginning. You really
Speaker 2: start to open up about how you think that you
Speaker 2: know you don't have anything to provide your team, But
Speaker 2: all I could do in my mind was rewind back
Speaker 2: to the trivia week when you were literally the last
Speaker 2: person on that like you were the last person up there.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, what is she talking about? She was
Speaker 2: the only reason why her team maybe could have won
Speaker 2: last week.
Speaker 5: There's a gift in not sweating a lot. Okay, tip.
Speaker 1: It was also funny because at one point you were glued.
Speaker 1: We see you glued to the glass basically, and you
Speaker 1: even have your lips like you were like basically suctioning
Speaker 1: to that glass. You and then TJ says something and
Speaker 1: then you make, in true to fashion, sort of like
Speaker 1: a quick smart ass comment. So the minute you let
Speaker 1: your lips go from the glass, it looks like it's
Speaker 1: when you fall off.
Speaker 5: My mama said, they paid for it, those lips, girls,
Speaker 5: She said, those lips are your gift. I said, I'm
Speaker 5: going to use them to the best. Yeah, girl, So
Speaker 5: if they helped me.
Speaker 1: Stick, they did, But they also give us such a
Speaker 1: brilliant commentary, Like Toy said, though, can you walk us
Speaker 1: through your feelings because you are just like such a
Speaker 1: light and we get to see these funny moments of
Speaker 1: you and your confidence, and we saw that in season
Speaker 1: one as well. So to see you really struggling to
Speaker 1: feel like where do I fit in in this game
Speaker 1: was really eye opening. So can you take us to
Speaker 1: the point where you maybe started to doubt yourself and
Speaker 1: why you think you were having those feelings at that time?
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course season one, I had no PA. I
Speaker 5: didn't even know what to expect. Really, they told me
Speaker 5: it's not as bad as the challenge in TV. I said, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: I got this then. So I prepared nothing right and
Speaker 5: I went out very early and I felt very unprepared.
Speaker 5: Well this go around, I said, Tiffany, be intentional about it.
Speaker 5: You want to do better. If you're going to go,
Speaker 5: make it worth it, like investing yourself. So I did
Speaker 5: some training. I took some swim lessons. Shut up ry
Speaker 5: I did? She said, I saw you.
Speaker 3: You were swimming.
Speaker 5: I was moving. I don't know if it's called swimming,
Speaker 5: but I was moving in the water. And we'll just
Speaker 5: leave it at that. But I really tried to prepare myself,
Speaker 5: and I mean like mentally with puzzles and emotionally, just
Speaker 5: preparing knowing I'm going to leave. I worked out, I
Speaker 5: did a lot of things to prepare, but I don't
Speaker 5: know if anyone is ever just like fully prepared, except
Speaker 5: maybe the person that wins. And then they'll tell you like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was prepared. Of course, they can say that because
Speaker 5: they went right. But when you walk in and then
Speaker 5: you start competing, and you realize like, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 5: know I was gonna have to do all this, Like
Speaker 5: how do you prepare for that? And then there's this
Speaker 5: thing called like nerve, and you have to like set
Speaker 5: that to the side. You can be strong, but that
Speaker 5: doesn't eliminate your fear. And there was a point where
Speaker 5: I'm looking around and I'm like, wow, these women are strong.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what it was. I saw Daisy drag
Speaker 5: Amanda to the end of her circle and that elimination,
Speaker 5: and I said, oh, it's only one way up out
Speaker 5: of here. I gotta get jacket out of here. I said,
Speaker 5: this is a damn. I don have to either die,
Speaker 5: i'ma have to kill somebody or have to win. That's
Speaker 5: just how I felt it.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much that's the rules.
Speaker 5: But I was like, oh, so then when I realized,
Speaker 5: like I don't want to want to know elimination. I
Speaker 5: don't know what's gonna hap. I don't know how I'm leaving,
Speaker 5: but I don't I don't know. I didn't have a plan.
Speaker 5: And it was like I'm looking at everybody. And then listen,
Speaker 5: We're having Alyssa's night and I were having a moment
Speaker 5: where she came in my room and she's like, I
Speaker 5: feel like I'm the weakest person in the house. I said, no,
Speaker 5: let me have my moment. I'm the weakest person in
Speaker 5: the I'm going to own something in here. Okay, but
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 2: But you two were the only two people up there
Speaker 2: on the trivia thing as well. Like that's the thing
Speaker 2: about the challenge is like we do look at it
Speaker 2: and we expect the strong, like to be the DESI strong, right,
Speaker 2: the one that's dragging somebody out of the arena, But
Speaker 2: like anybody can be beat on any given day, depending
Speaker 2: on what it is. And tip this is your second season,
Speaker 2: Like you've already shown that you can bring so much
Speaker 2: to the show, so much life, so much personality. There's
Speaker 2: a reason why you were America's favorite player on Big Brother. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it translated effortlessly to the challenge effortlessly. Yeah, and listen.
Speaker 2: Of course we get to see all sides. But it
Speaker 2: was nice to see you, you know, because you have
Speaker 2: that funny personality, but it was nice to see you
Speaker 2: have that softer moment too. And what I was also
Speaker 2: super impressed by, and I think everybody can agree, was
Speaker 2: how you held yourself when you and Dusty had the.
Speaker 1: Blow Oh girl, because girl, please, how did you please
Speaker 1: walk us through whatever's in meditation you had to listen
Speaker 1: to to maintain because we saw him blow up at
Speaker 1: you and wrongfully so and the calmness that you maintained,
Speaker 1: and just the patience and like walk when he so
Speaker 1: back when that occurred and he's coming at you and
Speaker 1: he's like, I know you voted for me, I know
Speaker 1: as you and you were trying to tell him no, really,
Speaker 1: what were you feeling and thinking in that moment?
Speaker 5: Okay, So there are a couple of things. I OW,
Speaker 5: was in my room unpacking or packing or whatever, and
Speaker 5: I hear someone yelling very loudly, I'm minding my business.
Speaker 5: It has nothing to do with me. Until I heard
Speaker 5: Tiffany everybody can hear their name right, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: is that my name? I open the door. I go
Speaker 5: down there and he's yelling. First thought is he is
Speaker 5: trying to blow up my game? What are you are
Speaker 5: you kidding me? I could see if I was somebody
Speaker 5: who could just get out here. I can handle my own.
Speaker 5: You can talk shit about me. Come on, let's go
Speaker 5: in the arena. You ask all of that, right, But
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, I need to be protected, and you
Speaker 5: are trying to strip me of my protection. But I
Speaker 5: would have had a conversation with him, but his delivery
Speaker 5: and his approach to me was all all wrong. I am.
Speaker 5: I thought about my son, and I thought about how
Speaker 5: it would come off to see me arguing with this man,
Speaker 5: whatever man, whoever it is. And I don't ever want
Speaker 5: to give him the wrong impression about how he should
Speaker 5: carry himself or how I expect that he sees me
Speaker 5: carrying myself. And when you see two people arguing, you
Speaker 5: don't know who's the full. You don't know who's in
Speaker 5: the right, you don't know who's in the wrong. And
Speaker 5: that's for any person. If you don't know how to
Speaker 5: talk to me, we won't talk. You're not gonna yell
Speaker 5: at me, You're not gonna curse me. I'm not doing
Speaker 5: that to you. I know it's a game, but hold on, Dusty,
Speaker 5: you have all of these people in here who have
Speaker 5: voted for you a week after week after a week.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, I am a the genie who
Speaker 5: dropped four balls on you, and you want to come
Speaker 5: and raise your voice yell at me, blow up my game.
Speaker 5: I'm not even the biggest target. I felt like I'm
Speaker 5: wasting my time talking to you because you didn't hit
Speaker 5: your pipe today. I don't know what was wrong with him,
Speaker 5: but he wasn't.
Speaker 3: Gonna get Dude, you handled it so well.
Speaker 1: You're right, and yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: Like the thing about that house is the way it
Speaker 3: was set up.
Speaker 2: It's like it was a tunnel chamber for audio, Like
Speaker 2: you heard everyone's conversation unless the doors were shut so
Speaker 2: everybody could hear it.
Speaker 3: It was like in your best interest.
Speaker 2: In ironically, like, because of the way you handled it,
Speaker 2: I think it obviously reflected better on you than him,
Speaker 2: even though he was trying to blow up your game,
Speaker 2: which inevitably sent him into the elimination last week. And
Speaker 2: then you know he ended up going home.
Speaker 1: So did he apologize to you? Tip? Did he ever where?
Speaker 1: Do you guys see it?
Speaker 5: He pulled me to the side the next day because
Speaker 5: it was very awkward, like he was so off of
Speaker 5: his rocker that I was uncomfortable with actually seeing him
Speaker 5: in the house because I didn't know how cuckool he was.
Speaker 5: I didn't know if I was going to come into
Speaker 5: the kitchen and he was just going to be like, yeah,
Speaker 5: there she is right there. I had no idea, so
Speaker 5: I was kind of like trying to keep my distance.
Speaker 5: It was very uncomfortable for me. And then he finally
Speaker 5: found me and he goes like, I want to apologize
Speaker 5: to you, and this and this and that. And the
Speaker 5: crazy part is I'd never gone against Dusty, never voted again.
Speaker 1: Why do you think he suddenly thought it was you?
Speaker 5: Of like, I think that in those situations, people are
Speaker 5: looking for a place to release their anger, and I
Speaker 5: was an easy target because you didn't take it up.
Speaker 5: You didn't you didn't yell at West, you didn't yell
Speaker 5: at Bananas, you didn't yell at Azzy, you didn't yell
Speaker 5: at Tori. You yelled at somebody who you felt like.
Speaker 5: I carried you. I see you carried me nowhere because
Speaker 5: when you came back to get me. I was screaming
Speaker 5: for Josh because you wasn't helping me move nowhere. Yeah,
Speaker 5: helped me with shit? Oh sorry, So I'm like, you
Speaker 5: want you carried me? Brother? I swam better on my own,
Speaker 5: if that's what we're gonna call it. So I'm just
Speaker 5: I feel like he wanted to get it out and
Speaker 5: he felt like I was an easy target and I
Speaker 5: just wasn't gonna give him that. You can argue by yourself,
Speaker 5: because had I was study there and gone word for
Speaker 5: word with him, I would have given him more ammunition.
Speaker 5: And that's one thing I'm not gonna give you. You
Speaker 5: already think you got the gun. I'm not gonna give
Speaker 5: you the bullets. So by who preach.
Speaker 2: So even after you guys had that conversation and you
Speaker 2: like settled it, I guess he apologized and you kind
Speaker 2: of let it be water under the bridge. Did you
Speaker 2: still feel relieved when he left the game. Did you
Speaker 2: feel like it agree over your game more?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well I told him, I said, I appreciate the apology,
Speaker 5: but words mean nothing. The best way to show me
Speaker 5: you apologize is through your actions. Now you have already
Speaker 5: shown me who you are. I'd be a fool to
Speaker 5: think that you wouldn't do that to me again. So
Speaker 5: seeing him leave was was Yes, thank you God know
Speaker 5: what he's doing all the time. He protect fools and babies.
Speaker 5: I ain't no baby. An.
Speaker 1: Speaking of fools, let's talk about Wes. So so Wes's
Speaker 1: speech at the beginning of this episode where Wes is like,
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys haven't given me a fair share.
Speaker 1: Like Wes has been so entertaining this season, just like
Speaker 1: I feel like we get a new like persona every
Speaker 1: episode sort of which is just hilarious and fascinating, and
Speaker 1: he really commits to the role, which I also appreciate.
Speaker 1: But what were your thoughts both of you really? Both
Speaker 1: you Tip because this is your first time really, you know,
Speaker 1: playing with Wes, interacting with Wes, and you Torri because
Speaker 1: you've known Wes for a while, what were you guys
Speaker 1: thinking when he does this little like kind of sit
Speaker 1: down house impromptu house meeting.
Speaker 5: I was feeling like Alyssa, I said, oh, Wes, So
Speaker 5: I didn't know how to feel about Wes when when
Speaker 5: he came into the game, because I didn't know how
Speaker 5: he was going to feel about me. Respected him a lot,
Speaker 5: but did not know if I was going to be
Speaker 5: able to play with him and me regardless of what
Speaker 5: everybody else wanted to do. I did want to align
Speaker 5: with some of the vets because I am a person
Speaker 5: who is looking for protection, and so I also just
Speaker 5: respect his experience, and so I felt that we had bonded.
Speaker 5: I felt that we had a relationship where I trusted
Speaker 5: him as much as you can trust somebody, right, And
Speaker 5: so when I thought that he was leaving, I did
Speaker 5: not know who had won his elimination, and for him
Speaker 5: to still be there, I actually was happy because I
Speaker 5: didn't want it to be Dusty, and so I could
Speaker 5: tell how it affected him that he thought that he
Speaker 5: may have lost. And he was like, I wanted to
Speaker 5: stay here and play. Now did I think he really
Speaker 5: wanted to play with everybody like he said, No, he
Speaker 5: was just talking to me.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes he was, Yes, he was tory. What did
Speaker 1: you think when you were watching him talk to Tiff?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So actually walking right before we got back in the house,
Speaker 2: he pulls me to aside and he's like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is gonna go one of two ways. Am either not
Speaker 2: gonna say anything or I gonna give a speech? About
Speaker 2: how I'm really upset. I was like hit him with
Speaker 2: the emotional play West, But the truth is is he
Speaker 2: honestly was feeling that way. Like I know that we're
Speaker 2: seeing this side of Wes, and I think that a
Speaker 2: lot of the time we assume he's being manipulative through
Speaker 2: the way he's expressing himself, and I'm not saying that's
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent true.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes he.
Speaker 2: Does know how to manipulate people through emotional responses. But
Speaker 2: I also think he was going through a lot himself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: being a new dad, this could be his last.
Speaker 1: Life away from his wife. Yeah, way his.
Speaker 3: Wife, you know.
Speaker 2: And then also like feeling like we were the bets.
Speaker 2: We knew we were kind of getting targeted early on.
Speaker 2: It kind of like scarred us from future gameplay. We
Speaker 2: were always on edge, always on edge. We just knew
Speaker 2: we had to be safe. So I think that it
Speaker 2: was genuine and I think that this is the approach
Speaker 2: he leaned into to hopefully connect with people, and.
Speaker 5: I think it worked so except for with Mikayla.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes for sure. So tip before we get more
Speaker 1: into this episode, I am curious one thing that was
Speaker 1: interesting about this season, and I don't know how many
Speaker 1: past seasons you've seen of the Challenge, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's always rookies, and in the fast few years there's
Speaker 1: been sometimes even in almost more rookies than Vets, and
Speaker 1: yet the Vets still seemingly dominate kind of every single time.
Speaker 1: And this is the first season in a long time
Speaker 1: where the Vets were looking real rookie ish for quite
Speaker 1: a few episodes, and they felt that way as well,
Speaker 1: largely because you guys were so organized, like we see
Speaker 1: scenes of Hugh Michelle michaela Desi, I mean being like,
Speaker 1: I'm voting this, I'm voting that you guys were just methodical.
Speaker 1: Can you walk us through a little bit behind when
Speaker 1: you guys got a lot Like was this something you
Speaker 1: guys were talking about? Literally? Yes? And then like who
Speaker 1: kind of initiate who brought up the conversation first? Like
Speaker 1: give us some behind the scenes of how you guys
Speaker 1: got on board and we're so organized to really, you know,
Speaker 1: fairly successfully in the beginning target the Vets.
Speaker 5: Like that, well, Deasi, Chanel Amra and myself all shared
Speaker 5: a room together, and so it's two survivors, two big brothers.
Speaker 5: So Michayla would come in, Michelle would come in, and
Speaker 5: when we realized, like, hey, we're going to have to
Speaker 5: play these games, this game with vets, we knew it's
Speaker 5: in our best interest to make them the disadvantage. Try
Speaker 5: to get rid of them, get them out of here.
Speaker 5: If we can use them, good, but we want them out.
Speaker 5: We can target each other later. Let's focus on how
Speaker 5: can we get rid of them. Because listen, if y'all
Speaker 5: saw me just get killed by Lebron James, if I
Speaker 5: am Brandon New, I don't want to go against Lebron James.
Speaker 5: Give me my other freshman. I'm straight on that.
Speaker 1: But she's still at Mikayla technically is a freshman because
Speaker 1: Mikayla lasted for about sixteen seconds and the first season
Speaker 1: she was in okay, fine eighteen, but she lasted for
Speaker 1: that long. So this really is her. You know, it's
Speaker 1: technically her sophomore season, but we're really getting to see
Speaker 1: her play in a way that she never got the
Speaker 1: opportunity to the first time she went around.
Speaker 5: It was just beneficial for us to stick together and
Speaker 5: try to get the vets out, and we were all
Speaker 5: along the same page with that. Yeah, but it's also
Speaker 5: kind of it's twofold because as we are all on
Speaker 5: the same page with it, you're also wondering, like, but
Speaker 5: who's not one hundred percent on that page, Like who's
Speaker 5: trying to build relationships with the Vets? Nobody?
Speaker 1: Right, you guys are listening, I can't see it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: Tip's definitely raising her hand and she says, nobody, did
Speaker 1: you guys suspect Michelle at all? Because I'm surprised that Michelle,
Speaker 1: I mean, she's doing it brilliantly. It's managing to fly
Speaker 1: so far under the radar because she not only has
Speaker 1: had relationships with the VET, I mean technically could be
Speaker 1: considered a VET. She's had relationships I'm looking at UFSI
Speaker 1: with the Vets, so like she's she so to think
Speaker 1: the fact that she's managed to align herself as though
Speaker 1: she too is in a way this sort of rookie
Speaker 1: when girl has their phone numbers, she's been out with
Speaker 1: them outside of the show, like she is not the
Speaker 1: rookie is wild. Did you guys, did you or anyone
Speaker 1: you know ever really suspect that maybe Michelle was plan
Speaker 1: y'all or plan both sides.
Speaker 5: This was my first time meeting Michelle and having conversation
Speaker 5: with her, and so I really in the beginning, hmmm,
Speaker 5: I wanted to trust her, but you have this little
Speaker 5: feeling like is she really for real? Is she serious
Speaker 5: in what she's saying? Is she changed? She is she
Speaker 5: really sang and doing what she's saying and doing. But
Speaker 5: there is always like a little distrust. But I'll tell
Speaker 5: you I actually trusted her a little more than I
Speaker 5: did not trust her. She she does a really good
Speaker 5: job of selling her story and making it relatable to
Speaker 5: you as so it makes sense what she's saying and
Speaker 5: why you should move in this way or why she's
Speaker 5: also moving in this way. And she'll sell you on, Devin,
Speaker 5: me and you want to do this, and we'll be
Speaker 5: here at this time and this is exactly what we're doing,
Speaker 5: and you will show her up and she won't be here.
Speaker 2: But you know, what's been interesting watching her back her
Speaker 2: voting because obviously from the vet's perspective, we kind of
Speaker 2: lumped her in with all right, we know she's going
Speaker 2: to ride both sides, but when the time comes, she's.
Speaker 3: Going to have our backs. So we were placing our
Speaker 3: money on that. That was never like verbally confirmed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we just assumed.
Speaker 2: But when you look at the way she votes, she
Speaker 2: is always voting with you, guys. She was always voting
Speaker 2: at least with Survivor always for the most part, I
Speaker 2: think except for this one, did she.
Speaker 5: Vote for U, Tiff, I think she voted for me.
Speaker 5: And that's surprising because I wasn't expecting that. She's very sneaky,
Speaker 5: very conniving, and I'll never trust her. But I work
Speaker 5: with you, Michelle, I work with him. I'm just playing
Speaker 5: for on the same team. I don't like the way
Speaker 5: you play it. Like your game, We're gonna be to
Speaker 5: us together.
Speaker 1: It's interesting seeing this side of her too, because in
Speaker 1: Ryder Died, she it seemed like she played a very
Speaker 1: emotional game, like I know she and Laurel had some
Speaker 1: moments where she felt like Laurel didn't like like she.
Speaker 5: Really, well, you have to be emotional mess and you're lying.
Speaker 1: But here she seems to be able to like turn
Speaker 1: it like here she's she seems more methodical and even
Speaker 1: fueled with it. Like last last season that we saw her.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I don't know what was like going on,
Speaker 1: but she really it almost like got in the way
Speaker 1: of her. It did get in the way of her
Speaker 1: game like she was just clouded by that the whole time,
Speaker 1: whereas here she seems very intentional, I think is what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: She seems very like she knows she came in with
Speaker 1: the plan, which is really she.
Speaker 5: Did because she knew she came in, she knew who
Speaker 5: she came in with, and she felt very comfortable with
Speaker 5: those relationships. And I believe she was loyal to the
Speaker 5: people she was loyal too, but the people she was
Speaker 5: telling and trying to establish other alliances with, she was
Speaker 5: not necessarily loyal to those alliances. She was just witted
Speaker 5: for the time that it benefited her, and she did
Speaker 5: it a better job. I mean, you could tell that
Speaker 5: she was still emotional because you could see the nervousness
Speaker 5: in her, and you could see trying to, you know,
Speaker 5: when her wheels are turning, and she's kind of anxious
Speaker 5: about if somebody's figuring something out. But she just didn't
Speaker 5: she didn't let it cloud her. I guess, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: They're they're coined Michelle Downs, and I have a feeling
Speaker 2: we're going to see them in the future.
Speaker 1: Michelldowns, can we start writing. We have to start keep
Speaker 1: keeping track of her. There are too many names, nicknames
Speaker 1: and great I love them isms. Michelle downs all right,
Speaker 1: so I look forward to seeing the Michelle down. Now,
Speaker 1: we got to take a quick break, but we'll be
Speaker 1: right back after this tip. Prior to this game, to
Speaker 1: this season, had you ever picked up a basketball before?
Speaker 1: I'm just asking.
Speaker 5: I feel like, hmmmmmm, my brother is going to kill me.
Speaker 5: That is so embarrassing. Yeah, I have m m. That
Speaker 5: ship was not fair. Let me tell you what you
Speaker 5: don't know. You don't know how scared I was. It's
Speaker 5: the fact that I was up high and the one
Speaker 5: on one I take Michayla, get up out of here.
Speaker 5: I will cross check her, I will dunk on her,
Speaker 5: I will fly through the sky, I will step on
Speaker 5: her titty to jump on her head. And man on
Speaker 5: the ground, I'm good. Don't try don't test me though,
Speaker 5: don't don't don't try to you know, don't try to
Speaker 5: prove me wrong. We ain't got a fact. When I'm
Speaker 5: just saying, they had me so high up in the
Speaker 5: air I was I was cool with As long as
Speaker 5: I was on the ground, I was cool with it.
Speaker 5: They got me up, I said, oh hell no. They
Speaker 5: said you gotta swing this pole back and forth. No, No,
Speaker 5: it was the height. It was the height. The height
Speaker 5: was scaring me. And I have even googled how to
Speaker 5: get over your fear of heights. I still don't know
Speaker 5: what to do. I don't know. It was the height
Speaker 5: was killing me. It was it was. It was a
Speaker 5: little scary and I'm not gonna lie. I was almost like,
Speaker 5: do I give up? Do I keep going? And then
Speaker 5: something there there was a lot. TJ came out and
Speaker 5: gave me a look. I said, who are you looking
Speaker 5: at like that? Okay, So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 5: let me go ahead and get my get my nerve up.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm gonna have to work on my skills.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to work on my skills.
Speaker 2: But to give you credit, TIF, like I was there
Speaker 2: when they were gearing you guys up, putting you up
Speaker 2: there on those platforms whatever you want to call them,
Speaker 2: and you you literally were saying, I'm not gonna go
Speaker 2: I'm giving it to Mikayla. I'm gonna let her win.
Speaker 2: Like it sounded like you were verbally quitting. We were
Speaker 2: all sitting in the tents waiting for elimination start. It's
Speaker 2: downpouring and we're like, wow.
Speaker 3: Tips, Tip's not going to do it.
Speaker 5: So the fact that you did it, I wasn't.
Speaker 3: Doing the fact that you did it like that does.
Speaker 5: Say I had quit. I was like, I didn't want
Speaker 5: to tell all myself and Tory put my business up there.
Speaker 5: I had quit. I did it. I was up up
Speaker 5: there and I was like no, I was like, I
Speaker 5: can't do it. I was like, this is just not
Speaker 5: for me. Honestly, in that moment, I would have rather
Speaker 5: done a hall brawl against Mikayla. I'm dead see that now, please.
Speaker 5: I That's how I felt. I felt like I'd just
Speaker 5: rather go out here and do That's how terrified I am.
Speaker 5: A height. You put your hands on me. You put
Speaker 5: your hands on.
Speaker 1: Me because approximately how high again, were you guys up?
Speaker 1: I don't know, problem feet No, definitely look high. It
Speaker 1: was high.
Speaker 2: Four stories, four stories, that's fourty feet three stories.
Speaker 5: It was four it was four stories story. It was
Speaker 5: four and a half stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, half stories, okay, it was tall.
Speaker 5: It was and I and then I did. I realized, like,
Speaker 5: my son is going to watch this back. It's amazing
Speaker 5: what you'll do when you think about your children, your
Speaker 5: loved ones, people who were cheering for you. I thought
Speaker 5: about my fan, my friends at home, and my family
Speaker 5: who were gonna watch the episode and be cheering for me,
Speaker 5: and I was like, you cannot be sitting up here
Speaker 5: holding on to a pole.
Speaker 1: So I did look good, but you look good doing it, girl.
Speaker 5: I got that little booty angle, I said, got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a music video.
Speaker 3: It's like the rain coming down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the braids were applying in the wind. I mean
Speaker 1: you were circling that pole too. I don't think that
Speaker 1: was the objective tip. I think you're supposed to go
Speaker 1: back and forth and all we see it just cuts
Speaker 1: to you, just sort of.
Speaker 5: But I'm as well get around it.
Speaker 1: But you got them all in. On top of that,
Speaker 1: you managed to score goal. How did that?
Speaker 5: I mean, if I had twenty more minutes, I would
Speaker 5: have been fine. It felt I'm not gonna lie. It
Speaker 5: did feel good. I felt like right at the end
Speaker 5: I was getting my rhythm was okay. It was. It
Speaker 5: was harder than it looked though. Honestly, it took a
Speaker 5: lot of I don't even know what it was, arm strength, legs, strength, cord, nerves.
Speaker 5: It was a lot to work that poll. I ain't
Speaker 5: never been a striggle.
Speaker 2: So when you when you finally, you know, come down
Speaker 2: and unfortunately don't win. Are your feelings about the way
Speaker 2: this season went are they positive?
Speaker 3: Do you feel good about.
Speaker 2: Your performance the season versus the season prior, and do
Speaker 2: you feel like you'd come back and give it a
Speaker 2: third shot?
Speaker 5: You know, I had to feel better. I definitely did
Speaker 5: a lot better than I did my first season. I
Speaker 5: actually prepared, and I wanted to be there, and I
Speaker 5: wanted to make it a good time for me. I
Speaker 5: wanted to I actually wanted to challenge myself. That was
Speaker 5: why I decided to come back. I said, Tiff, go
Speaker 5: back and give it your all this time. Like, I
Speaker 5: don't feel like I was prepared the first time. I
Speaker 5: don't feel I actually gave it my all. I was
Speaker 5: more afraid of just being in the environment because the
Speaker 5: challenge was not my game. So I was like, come
Speaker 5: back and and give it your all. And I felt
Speaker 5: like I did that. I did more than I thought
Speaker 5: I would as far as lasting as long as I did.
Speaker 5: Michelle and Corey wandn't put that ball on me. I've
Speaker 5: still been there. I don't know right, you know, taking
Speaker 5: she was my next one. I said, I'm comfor Tory.
Speaker 1: You were coming straight forward to straight and then.
Speaker 3: Is their arms open? I was like, come to me, Milady,
Speaker 3: been waiting for.
Speaker 1: You, someone who thought you came for them, although you didn't,
Speaker 1: but they put themselves in. It was Josh when you
Speaker 1: gave your speech going into the elimination and you're talking
Speaker 1: to the whole group and then Josh starts talking back.
Speaker 1: Were you even thinking about Josh initially before he spoke
Speaker 1: up when you were giving that speech, like.
Speaker 5: I nobody could have ever told me I was going
Speaker 5: to react like that. First of all, it is a
Speaker 5: moment when all of your adrenaline is rushing, and when
Speaker 5: you're out there in the sand. I was in the
Speaker 5: sand last week, and I was fine with that because
Speaker 5: the expectation is I may have to go out here
Speaker 5: and play. But when you're up there standing on the
Speaker 5: stage and you're hoping your name doesn't get called and
Speaker 5: it does, it's a shock factor. So I'm thinking a
Speaker 5: whole lot of things at that moment. I'm just mad,
Speaker 5: and I couldn't believe that I was so upset, but
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the heck?
Speaker 5: I was pissed. So it's almost like everybody else was
Speaker 5: smart to not say anything, because then it would have
Speaker 5: died down and I wouldn't have had anybody to say
Speaker 5: anything to. And I could have just gone and done
Speaker 5: my thing, and I probably would have carried that energy
Speaker 5: with me up there. But Josh had to just say
Speaker 5: something and it didn't matter who it was at that point.
Speaker 5: Why were you talking?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much to say get your ears down here
Speaker 1: and play? Why are you Why are you even talking to.
Speaker 5: Me right now? I'm the one who has to come
Speaker 5: down here and play, and he didn't. He didn't want
Speaker 5: it to be me. But why didn't you make sure
Speaker 5: that show counterpart Michelle, who was doing everything else that
Speaker 5: you were telling her to do, if you two were
Speaker 5: working together and she got your back and you got hers?
Speaker 5: And why didn't you make sure Corey, who's also on
Speaker 5: your team, Why didn't you make sure that those two
Speaker 5: did not put a ball on me? So as much
Speaker 5: as you have my back, you don't have enough influence. Obviously,
Speaker 5: ain't nobody listening to you? And neither that I am
Speaker 5: also shut up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was it was an epic pop off.
Speaker 2: It was I think we were all sitting there like, oh,
Speaker 2: my god, what is it about to happen?
Speaker 3: Like I thought you were.
Speaker 2: I thought you were about to go up there and
Speaker 2: absolutely murder elimination. I thought I murder somebody. I was like,
Speaker 2: diff isart. But I loved it. It was so nice
Speaker 2: to see that side of you, because as soon as.
Speaker 3: You were done, you literally turned around every and said
Speaker 3: I'm just playing like you had. You literally just turned around.
Speaker 3: You're like, I just kidding guys, And I.
Speaker 1: Was just like, dude, I love this. It's hilarious, so.
Speaker 2: Stimulating, like a scary movie, like you to the edge
Speaker 2: and then she comforts you.
Speaker 5: I'm like having a nice time. My energy, my vibe
Speaker 5: is always up. I don't you know, I choose one
Speaker 5: I want to come down, and when I have my moments,
Speaker 5: I like to be by myself. I don't like to
Speaker 5: I'm not the downer. I'm the upbro. So you know,
Speaker 5: when I get in that mood where I'm upset, I'm
Speaker 5: quickly trying to turn that back around. I had to
Speaker 5: get it out, and I really fess it was right.
Speaker 5: I should have saved it for the poll, and I
Speaker 5: could have just took a taken all that aggression out
Speaker 5: on the pole. And I blamed it that Josh.
Speaker 1: That's lifeless. Save it off for the pole. I mean, Josh,
Speaker 1: to be fair, Josh did step in the line a fire.
Speaker 1: What did you think watching this episode, by the way,
Speaker 1: about his plan in wanting to get McKayla out. Like
Speaker 1: you saw how even though Josh didn't win sort of,
Speaker 1: he very much helped orchestrate this plan of executing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of strategy from Josh this season,
Speaker 1: like a lot of well executed strategy. Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that? To me?
Speaker 5: I don't think that at Josh's plan for my specific
Speaker 5: game to get Michaela or Chanel out was bad for
Speaker 5: me because I'm looking at who I possibly have to
Speaker 5: run a final with and I'm not listen, i am
Speaker 5: not an MMA wrestler. I am not, and I'm not
Speaker 5: saying Tory is. But I'm just saying they got a
Speaker 5: better shot at it than me. So when I'm looking
Speaker 5: at who I have to compete against, some I want
Speaker 5: to go. I want us to go together because we
Speaker 5: can help each other. But there was a house full
Speaker 5: of extremely strong and smart competitors, right, Yeah, so it
Speaker 5: wasn't too it wasn't not to my benefit for either
Speaker 5: one of them to go home, but I was working
Speaker 5: with both of them. But I also felt that Desie, Mikayla, Chanell,
Speaker 5: even Michelle all had a closer connection or bond with
Speaker 5: each other and protected each other. I kind of felt
Speaker 5: that I was at the bottom of that, and I
Speaker 5: don't know how true that is. You know, the game
Speaker 5: is over, so people can tell you anything but that
Speaker 5: in the game. I'm like, Tiff, you have to play
Speaker 5: this game to your own strengths, and if Josh wanted
Speaker 5: Michaela or Chanelle out, it was better than wanting.
Speaker 1: Me right right right.
Speaker 2: It's like one of those things in the game, like
Speaker 2: if you're working with strong people, it's good because if
Speaker 2: they win, they'll protect you. But also at the end,
Speaker 2: if you make it with strong people, they can beat you.
Speaker 2: So you kind of just like float with where the
Speaker 2: wind is gonna take you. But you know, so you
Speaker 2: obviously were building that alliance with Mikaela, Desi, and Chanel,
Speaker 2: but then you also had this like built in alliance
Speaker 2: with Josh and FeSi, who were you feeling more aligned with.
Speaker 5: I think that there's a common similarity with people who
Speaker 5: play the same show, right, I felt very close with
Speaker 5: my Big Brother people. It really would it really bothers
Speaker 5: me to have to like go against them. So I
Speaker 5: never wanted to be in that position where I've got
Speaker 5: to go against one of my people who I feel
Speaker 5: like we all are aligned together. I didn't want to
Speaker 5: go against Big Brother. I felt that that's something that
Speaker 5: we have in common that can bond us together. But
Speaker 5: I also knew that everybody was working all their other angles.
Speaker 5: If the survivor girls want to protect me, hell yes,
Speaker 5: protect me. I'm not going to tell you not to
Speaker 5: please protect me. I like kind of hindsight looking back,
Speaker 5: I feel like they could have protected me better, I
Speaker 5: guess than b B because I'm not going against the guys.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, I am because
Speaker 5: there's only we got to run a final together and
Speaker 5: I could still ge get out, you know. So I
Speaker 5: don't know it all went the way with supposed to
Speaker 5: go exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you consider FEESI like more of a Big
Speaker 2: Brother player or more of a vet After watching it.
Speaker 5: Back, he's still in the middle. He's still I think
Speaker 5: he's always going to be in the middle. I think
Speaker 5: he'll play Big Brother and you that's advantage when it
Speaker 5: when it benefits him. But I think that the longer
Speaker 5: we play together, you kind of strip the the strength
Speaker 5: of the show alliance and you start building genuine connections
Speaker 5: and relationships with other people. There are people I've talked
Speaker 5: to now after the show that in the house. You
Speaker 5: couldn't have told me that. After that, Now we have
Speaker 5: these real connections where I'm like, damn, why don't you
Speaker 5: tell me? You know, it's I don't think that it's
Speaker 5: always going to be show alliances and it can't. Like
Speaker 5: I didn't want that for me and I didn't want that. Really.
Speaker 5: I kept telling Josh, like, I think the lines are
Speaker 5: very blurred because I'm like, I'm definitely working with Survivor.
Speaker 5: But then I realized, like, I also have to build
Speaker 5: relationships with other people, Like I wanted to work with Wes,
Speaker 5: I wanted to work with Tory. I wanted to work
Speaker 5: with people who could protect me and people who I
Speaker 5: knew had greater chances of winning and keeping me safe.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, well you did that because when the Blue
Speaker 2: team came down to voting, we were all like, we're
Speaker 2: not going to put it on Tiff, you know.
Speaker 3: So they're what you did.
Speaker 2: No, but you did have a decent amount of that
Speaker 2: veteran presence on the Blue team. You you were you
Speaker 2: were doing a really good job at building genuine relationships
Speaker 2: even though we all knew like it was going to
Speaker 2: get tossed up at some point. Like, you did a
Speaker 2: good job with that because you're just yourself. That's what
Speaker 2: makes you good at the game, Tiff, don't doubt yourself.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm about to be in this gym. I'm about
Speaker 5: to be working. I'm about to come back with toy.
Speaker 5: I'd imagine that. Imagine me come back with Tory's body.
Speaker 5: Oh right, a watch out right, yeah do it.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be in the in the gym with pogo
Speaker 3: sticks and a.
Speaker 5: Basketball, definitely, definitely, and a bike and a bike because
Speaker 5: I wanted to a bike took me out last season. Okay, okay,
Speaker 5: a bike in a basketball.
Speaker 1: If were you still there, well, obviously you were still there.
Speaker 1: You hadn't gotten on a plane yet. But could you
Speaker 1: hear the plot twist that TJ delivered to Michaela when
Speaker 1: Michayla came in ready to roll and was like, I
Speaker 1: have decisions to make and he's like, no, you don't.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts.
Speaker 5: When I knew it? I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: it just went an individual And I'm telling you, I
Speaker 5: was thinking like, well, that had been good for me
Speaker 5: or would that have been bad? And I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think it would have opened the
Speaker 5: door for me to like work on other relationships. But
Speaker 5: I know on that daily I'm on my own, you know,
Speaker 5: so I would have had to it would have all
Speaker 5: been on me. I thought it was very interesting though,
Speaker 5: that I left right before it went to individual.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean that's the halfway point. That's that's
Speaker 2: a good place to make it too. You should be
Speaker 2: proud of yourself. Obviously you wanted to make it further,
Speaker 2: but like, do you know how many people didn't make.
Speaker 3: It that far.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a tough season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been a tough season too, just to
Speaker 1: navigate everything. So very impressive, you know in making that far, Tori,
Speaker 1: how did you feel knowing that Mikayla was coming for
Speaker 1: you to take your spot? And did you know that
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 3: So obviously I don't take anything personal.
Speaker 2: Mikayla is a very calculated player, so it makes her
Speaker 2: one of the things that makes her so great, and
Speaker 2: so she recognized that the veteran presence was so strong
Speaker 2: on Blue. There's only one female spot that she could
Speaker 2: have taken, and that would have been mine because Desi
Speaker 2: was there and Cassidy was there for Survivor, so the
Speaker 2: only way for them to regain numbers. And then obviously,
Speaker 2: like at this point in time, Mikayla and I were
Speaker 2: not working together.
Speaker 3: As you can see in the teaser.
Speaker 2: For the next half of the season, maybe we do
Speaker 2: start to work together. I don't know, keep an eye out,
Speaker 2: but it's it is interesting because, uh, you know, obviously
Speaker 2: nobody wants to get put on the Green team.
Speaker 3: You know, they were not they were a sinking ship.
Speaker 3: But so I couldn't have been more happy that it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't. It was a twist I needed that at
Speaker 3: that moment. It was important.
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think anytime that people start
Speaker 1: getting too comfortable with the next moves, like anytime people
Speaker 1: really can get comfortable making two or three steps ahead,
Speaker 1: I think it's always great when TJ throws a wrench
Speaker 1: into that. And so it was like, oh, you got
Speaker 1: you got this figured out. I also think something that
Speaker 1: it's been interesting to see who seems to keep this
Speaker 1: theme in mind and those who don't like even though
Speaker 1: it's been a team game from the start. TJ loves
Speaker 1: to say it, it's an individual game. So yes, you're
Speaker 1: supporting your team or doing whatever, but in the back
Speaker 1: of your mind you have to keep in mind that
Speaker 1: it is very much an individual game. So at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you have to make plays or
Speaker 1: do things, or be prepared that you know it's just.
Speaker 5: Going to be you was going to implode anyway.
Speaker 1: Who gave it that name?
Speaker 5: Baby, it gave it. It gave itself that name. I
Speaker 5: looked around and we said, Paulieu, Josh, Dusty, Tiff Michelle
Speaker 5: John nay Chanette, we waste.
Speaker 1: We were, Yeah, thats right there.
Speaker 5: It's flaming hot ness. It was red flags all everywhere.
Speaker 1: Red flag, red black. So we got to see a
Speaker 1: budding show mance, one of the few that happens this season. Now.
Speaker 1: I caught a moment TIF where when we see I
Speaker 1: Love Alyssa calling West by the Way and bananas like
Speaker 1: the uncles, the drunk uncles hilarious, also seemingly so accurate,
Speaker 1: and so we see them scheming to get Tyler and
Speaker 1: Alyssa s to kind of and doesn't Alyssa kind of
Speaker 1: look like Angela to you guys, at least from us respective,
Speaker 1: Yes she does, Tori saying no, yes she.
Speaker 5: Of course, Big Brother always chooses their next cast to
Speaker 5: resemble someone from the past, so she was definitely the
Speaker 5: Angela of her season. But the look, there's an architect I.
Speaker 3: Need I need to look at her. Okay, Okay, So
Speaker 3: it's a type.
Speaker 5: It's a type. It's not necessarily identical, but it is.
Speaker 1: Like him being in her long term relation with I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can totally see that because she looks kind of
Speaker 1: like Angela did. Like, of course that's who he's attracted
Speaker 1: to in the house. Makes it makes sense. But Tiffany,
Speaker 1: we see you take a bow. So when they start
Speaker 1: making out, you were over there with the drunk uncles
Speaker 1: and we see you take a bow.
Speaker 5: And I was a drunk auntie that right.
Speaker 1: Did you have a little hand in facilitating that late
Speaker 1: night club makeout session?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm the auntie.
Speaker 1: Okay, tell us what you did.
Speaker 5: Tell us your contribute, your contribution do I didn't do
Speaker 5: a thing, but when I went over there, and I
Speaker 5: and I found out that this was the plot. I definitely,
Speaker 5: you know, I helped encourage it. We was born. We
Speaker 5: needed some action. Go ahead, people watch porn. That was
Speaker 5: not porn. But I'm just saying, we like to see
Speaker 5: other people doing things, and so it was nice to
Speaker 5: see somebody else doing something.
Speaker 2: It was long overdue, it was long over It was
Speaker 2: the perfect and it worked because Tyler didn't go in.
Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't work for you TIF obviously, and
Speaker 2: we're sorry about that. But like I think it was
Speaker 2: a magic spell.
Speaker 1: That did it inspire you? Tory for later episodes, I.
Speaker 3: Don't talk about it.
Speaker 5: Did your lips go somewhere? Did your tongue?
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to it in the season fully, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but oh not that she's making.
Speaker 3: Listen, we all have our moments, okay, we all have.
Speaker 1: More than others.
Speaker 5: I didn't an angel.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, thank you, I have all.
Speaker 3: Oh we we're an angel?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, toy bring it in?
Speaker 5: Didn't Yeah, they don't show.
Speaker 1: Kind the scenes.
Speaker 3: It was a dream.
Speaker 1: It was what did you dream?
Speaker 5: You know, I'll be waking up thinking about me, dreaming
Speaker 5: about me. It was what exactly did you dream?
Speaker 1: Tory? We're listening.
Speaker 3: I just to dream.
Speaker 2: I had a dream that that Tiff licked someone's nipple.
Speaker 3: But who's nipper?
Speaker 5: Was a dream my own.
Speaker 1: I believe you're flexible, but I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: that flexible.
Speaker 3: I think it was a dream.
Speaker 1: I think were you on into dream? I don't know.
Speaker 5: It was like, if it was, you must have quit.
Speaker 1: But nobody's here. Nobody's here, it's just the three of
Speaker 1: us anyway, So whose nipples were you on? Tiff girl?
Speaker 5: I could, I would never tell the camera shows the.
Speaker 1: Camera who nip were you on? Don't make me go
Speaker 1: through names.
Speaker 3: No, it was a dream.
Speaker 5: It never happened, So it never happened.
Speaker 1: Whose side are you on?
Speaker 5: Torri writ right now on side because you know I'm
Speaker 5: about to hit the gym and we're doing season three together.
Speaker 3: Oh, she is coming back. She is coming back for
Speaker 3: another season.
Speaker 1: That's not the stoop we wanted, Tory, don't get excited
Speaker 1: about that. We knew that she's coming back. We were
Speaker 1: always on the podcast side, may in the listener side.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. Tip by the way, please really quick,
Speaker 1: tip don't be embarrassed. Tip.
Speaker 3: It was funny and playful. It was a big joke anyway.
Speaker 3: I was just trying to throw some some heat. I know,
Speaker 3: I like it, but always hooking up with somebody.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it's really good.
Speaker 3: Sprinkled it back.
Speaker 5: Just get somebody on the same side as her.
Speaker 1: She was, okay, waits nipple.
Speaker 3: Bringing everybody under the bus. Johnny bananas it was?
Speaker 4: Was it really bananas nipple?
Speaker 3: But it was a joke. It was a big joke.
Speaker 5: It was it was in my face. Oh, you kind
Speaker 5: of liked it.
Speaker 1: She likes a little slippery banana. Oh that would be
Speaker 1: a very very funny and smart paring. And I mean
Speaker 1: funny because you guys as quips. Like you guys is
Speaker 1: you're like commentary and you're quick with I feel like
Speaker 1: just even being a flying conversation between the two of
Speaker 1: you would be hilarious.
Speaker 5: I have nothing to say about mister banana. Okay, I'll
Speaker 5: never nipples the same, She pleads, the peel, plead, plead
Speaker 5: the peel.
Speaker 1: I love that, all right. So now that we know
Speaker 1: whose nipples you like, I feel tired. That took a lot,
Speaker 1: but thank you guys for finding me well, now that
Speaker 1: you you're heading home and we're so seriously, I'm going
Speaker 1: to miss your comments, Like I'm actually like genuinely tiff
Speaker 1: sad about it, like to genuinely you are so funny
Speaker 1: and so good and you need the show needs people
Speaker 1: who are true fans of the show, and I've been
Speaker 1: watching will attest to the fact that for the show
Speaker 1: to really work and to be a standout and be good,
Speaker 1: you need the shit stirs. You need the athletic people.
Speaker 1: You need the narrators. You need the people who can
Speaker 1: tell the story and do so in an engaging and
Speaker 1: funny way. Because if everybody's just good on the field
Speaker 1: but boring, it's hell to listen to. That's not fine.
Speaker 1: And you, my friend, join me on the narrator side,
Speaker 1: because girl knows I wouldn't good at any elimination either.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're very funny, and thank you.
Speaker 2: Somebody somebody was thinking what you were saying when you said,
Speaker 2: oh Blue winds again, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like half the world was thinking that.
Speaker 5: Okay, So how do you feel about Blue winning? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I am, I'm excited. Like I couldn't give lesson a damn.
Speaker 5: I was so disgusted a why Why are we even here?
Speaker 5: Why are we trying sixteen people in eighteen? Everybody else
Speaker 5: got two?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What was your experience staying in the house this time?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I remember you describing the Challenge
Speaker 1: USA Season one house. It's basically almost like a jail bear.
Speaker 1: You were like, it was not good. What this house
Speaker 1: seemed a little cozier. What was how? Please describe in
Speaker 1: depth your feelings of being in this house.
Speaker 5: Walking into this house, it was ten times better than
Speaker 5: bunk beds in one room with everybody watching my everything.
Speaker 5: At least if I wanted to cuddle. I had a door,
Speaker 5: so you know, we had our own bathroom. We had windows.
Speaker 5: What do you mean your own every room, each bedroom
Speaker 5: had We had four beds per room in each room
Speaker 5: had their own bathroom except the sixth room. And we
Speaker 5: had six rooms. And you know, we could crack the door,
Speaker 5: get a little breezing, get some air. We had shades,
Speaker 5: You had your own bed, There were no bunk beds.
Speaker 5: It was nice. It was very nice. It was a
Speaker 5: very nice space. I felt that the pool could have
Speaker 5: been warmer, but other than that, it was a nice
Speaker 5: It was a nice place. I was not disappointed.
Speaker 3: You have the record for like longest cold plunge for
Speaker 3: like seventeen minutes.
Speaker 1: Didn't you, I would, I know, Wait, that is a
Speaker 1: super power. Wait why are you sent to me?
Speaker 5: I don't like anything. Cold is my worst enemy in
Speaker 5: the world. And so I started like bananas and West
Speaker 5: would go out there and do these cold plunges, and
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna try it. And so
Speaker 5: I think I had so much anxiety and so much
Speaker 5: stress in the house, just always overthinking, being overstimulated, just
Speaker 5: like the worry and the stress of what's gonna happen next,
Speaker 5: going outside and forcing myself into the coldest water I
Speaker 5: have been in, and it's just like I have to
Speaker 5: calm down. I have to relax, I have to free it.
Speaker 5: I have to let it go. I have to sustain it.
Speaker 5: And it just gave me a different type of calmness.
Speaker 5: And I would just think and I would free all
Speaker 5: of that anxious energy because I had to accept that
Speaker 5: I'm standing in this cold water. So either you're gonna
Speaker 5: stand there, you're gonna vibrate and you're gonna shake it
Speaker 5: and be uncomfortable, or you're going to relax in it
Speaker 5: and you're going to breathe and you're going to ignore
Speaker 5: it and it's not going to bother you. So it
Speaker 5: was my way of starting my day by being like unaffected.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm taking saying that. I know right, calm me down.
Speaker 3: You definitely have to start a meditation should I would
Speaker 3: listen to it.
Speaker 5: At least your thirty day trial. You want to join me.
Speaker 5: They were going to seek our in herself.
Speaker 1: As you seek your inner self. Who are you voting
Speaker 1: for now that you're going home? Who are you rooting
Speaker 1: for to take it to win? And I know you
Speaker 1: probably already know who wins, So no spoilers in general,
Speaker 1: but just in this moment as you're walking away from
Speaker 1: the house, what guy and what girl are you hoping
Speaker 1: take it to the end? And what guy and what
Speaker 1: girl are you hoping get out next?
Speaker 5: I came in this game with Chanelle and Emia and
Speaker 5: Alyssa Lopez too, but she's already gone and Amyraa is
Speaker 5: already gone, so it's just me and Chanelle and I.
Speaker 5: Her story and her journey like getting to the challenge.
Speaker 5: She was sick when she came in, and she had
Speaker 5: some muscle aches and then she was like, you know,
Speaker 5: she was doing well, and some challenges. She was scared
Speaker 5: of heights and she was like killing it. And I
Speaker 5: am leaving thinking, I really hope that Chanelle takes it
Speaker 5: all the way. I hope she brings it home. I
Speaker 5: don't want a survivor person to win necessarily, but Chanelle,
Speaker 5: I don't view her as like she's survivor. She know
Speaker 5: is my friend. So I am looking at her journey
Speaker 5: and hoping that it pans out and that it's worth
Speaker 5: it for her. So I'm cheering for her and Bessie
Speaker 5: and I really from the very first time I met
Speaker 5: him at Hearts, I did not know what to think
Speaker 5: about him. I didn't know what to think about him
Speaker 5: at all. But he was just so hospitable to us
Speaker 5: in Orlando and like just kind of made sure everybody
Speaker 5: was comfortable. He never gave me anything inappropriate. I know
Speaker 5: everybody knows messy Festi. He doesn't have come off to
Speaker 5: me in that way. Like he always is respectful to me.
Speaker 5: He's always like a gentleman. Or We laugh, we talk
Speaker 5: and we talk ship to each other and we can't
Speaker 5: and it's not personal. And I talk about his his
Speaker 5: Tsarra clothes he got, and I don't know where he
Speaker 5: found him too tight.
Speaker 1: He was ro rocket construction uniform fit. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you notice that in the lamination today, but go
Speaker 1: back and look. He's got like a construction set vibe
Speaker 1: going on. Shout out to FESTI. But okay, so it
Speaker 1: sounds like Betty's the one I tell.
Speaker 5: I wanted to see. I want to see him do well.
Speaker 5: I do, and it's not. And I don't want Josh
Speaker 5: to hear this and be like, why don't you love me?
Speaker 5: I do? I do love you, and I do want
Speaker 5: you to do well, and I want to see you
Speaker 5: get a win. It's just that in this moment when
Speaker 5: I'm leaving because you pissed me off, I want to
Speaker 5: see Fascy, I want to see get his win. I want,
Speaker 5: I do. I want to see Fetti get a win.
Speaker 5: And I want to see Chanelle. I don't know Chanelle
Speaker 5: Mikayla Desi either either one of them. Because us, we really,
Speaker 5: ME and Deasy did not have the relationship I thought
Speaker 5: we had on season one, and so coming into this season,
Speaker 5: I was just hoping that we could really bind the
Speaker 5: way I thought we hit it off when we first met,
Speaker 5: but not ended. Not pick it up where it ended
Speaker 5: and coming in and sharing this room of having this
Speaker 5: girl power type of thing that we all share, like
Speaker 5: any of them winning is good for me. It was kidding,
Speaker 5: but I'm serious.
Speaker 3: Listen, nobody wants to see the winner win again. Girl,
Speaker 3: it's just.
Speaker 5: Me some money.
Speaker 3: It's a blessing that occurs. I'm known to do that.
Speaker 3: I'm known to do that. I'm a little bit of
Speaker 3: a check writer.
Speaker 2: But the one thing I do agree with is like
Speaker 2: everybody that you've named and the amount of like female
Speaker 2: strategizing that you brought to the season.
Speaker 3: Like there's been so many beautiful political.
Speaker 2: Conversations that have been seriously just women's.
Speaker 1: It's cool to watch.
Speaker 3: It's been cool to watch.
Speaker 2: And I think that regardless of you being there or not,
Speaker 2: people are going to root for you just in life
Speaker 2: tif because you have a great spirit and great attitude
Speaker 2: and yeah, you're you're an amazing person.
Speaker 3: So thank you for coming play together.
Speaker 5: I really am, like it's I don't even know if
Speaker 5: they show where we had our little restaurant shows and
Speaker 5: we all went around, But I really meant what I
Speaker 5: said that I felt and I still feel that it's
Speaker 5: such an honor and a privilege for me because I
Speaker 5: was never expecting at this age and stage of my
Speaker 5: life that this was what I was going to be
Speaker 5: doing in my career. I'm in healthcare, I have a business.
Speaker 5: I've been in medicine for twenty years, so I always
Speaker 5: thought that that was going to be where I spent
Speaker 5: the majority of my time or got all of my attention.
Speaker 5: But here it is that my heart is in television,
Speaker 5: in reality TV and competition shows. And I never thought
Speaker 5: that I would be aligned in playing a game, or
Speaker 5: even if I'm not aligned, but just in the same
Speaker 5: house or being spoken in the same sentence on the
Speaker 5: same show in seasons as veterans who've been playing this
Speaker 5: game competing against each other, like you guys are real
Speaker 5: challenge vets. So for me to be here and getting
Speaker 5: accolades from you, it is it's like wow. To me,
Speaker 5: It's like an out of body thing, because I did
Speaker 5: not think that that was gonna be it for me,
Speaker 5: and I had I didn't even know what this season
Speaker 5: was going to bring. But I'm proud of the game
Speaker 5: I played. I always want to do better until I win,
Speaker 5: so I know now I come home and I train
Speaker 5: even harder and then if I get a call to
Speaker 5: come back next season, I'm ready. So I think I
Speaker 5: like that we met and we did bond and I'll girl,
Speaker 5: you know, we were talking about Shrek and all them other.
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask about Shrek. We have to do
Speaker 3: it all podcasts.
Speaker 5: Because yes, we had some conversations. But I am glad
Speaker 5: to be here. I'm glad to be a part of
Speaker 5: the season. I'm glad to be a part of the community.
Speaker 5: I'm glad to be a part of the challenge. That's
Speaker 5: something that I will always be able to say when
Speaker 5: lose or draw, I'm glad to be a part of it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And for those who want to keep up with you,
Speaker 1: Tiff and and your training for when you come back, right,
Speaker 1: where can they or just your seventeen minute cold who
Speaker 1: planned it? I still am in awe of that. Where
Speaker 1: can they find you? On social media?
Speaker 5: You can find me on Instagram at absolutely gorgeous one hundred.
Speaker 2: I can't change that.
Speaker 5: I've tried. You can find me on Twitter at absolutely
Speaker 5: Tiff and uh yeah. If you need to find me
Speaker 5: getting closer to me than that, then DM me on
Speaker 5: one of those flat way or the dms open open
Speaker 5: just like the doors to the church, but don't come
Speaker 5: as you are. I'm not like that. You better come correct.
Speaker 1: Amen and amen?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, tip so good. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for thank you, Thank you the last looking forward to
Speaker 3: connecting with you.
Speaker 5: Okay, love you.
Speaker 1: You're amazing TIF bye.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Devin, do you have any anti perspirt
Speaker 2: because I'm sweating from that interview?
Speaker 1: Girl? Yes, we need an antipersparent sponsorship for real. That
Speaker 1: was so that was good. I knew it would be
Speaker 1: with Tiff. She is hilarious and I'm so proud of
Speaker 1: you spilling some tea.
Speaker 3: I'm scared, mom, I'm scared that she's gonna.
Speaker 1: Hate sometimes challengers. He doesn't realize her loyalty lies with
Speaker 1: us in this podcast, But don't worry. I am here
Speaker 1: to remind her.
Speaker 2: You did and you did that and all the listeners
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Speaker 3: Devin, where can they follow you?
Speaker 1: That's so sweet? You can go to my website Devinsimone
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Speaker 2: You guys can follow me at Tory Underscore deal And
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Speaker 1: Look, I couldn't do it without my favorite tea spiller,
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