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Catch us 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: live weekdays at one Eastern. 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: On Bloomberg dot com, the iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 3: Business App, or listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts. 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest show in politics. As Kevin McCarthy's 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: Republican critics prepared to vote on a motion to vacate 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: and Democrats are apparently not coming to his defense, this 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: is happening in real time. Either way, we will witness 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: history either way. This goes over the next two hours, 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: and we'll discuss with Congressman Ben Klein, the Republican from 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Virginia is a member of the Freedom Caucus, and we'll 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: bring his view straight from the Capitol in a moment 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: with analysis from our signature panel. I'm glad to say 23 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: they're both with us today. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis 24 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: and Gdi Schanzano are with us for the hour. So 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: it's already been a fascinating day, if not a dramatic 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: one here in Washington, depends what side you're on here, 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: I suppose for those of us simply trying to keep 28 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: up with the news, though it's been breathless. After Congressman 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: Matt Gates last night dropped his threatened motion to vacate, 30 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: he spoke from the House floor. 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 4: Declaring the office of Speaker of the House of Representatives 32 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 4: to be vacant. Resolved that the office of Speaker of 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 4: the House of Representatives is hereby declared to be vacant. 34 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: Simple as that we've already heard from the leadership on 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: both sides today. Following a Republican Caucus meeting, Speaker Kevin 36 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 1: McCarthy out in front of reporters with his view early today. 37 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 5: If you throw a speaker out that has ninety nine 38 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 5: percent of their conference that kept government open and paid 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 5: the troops, I think we're in a really bad place 40 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 5: for how we're going to run Congress Democrats to no I, 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 5: I personally, I'm not. 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 6: Do you need their help to remain in leadership? 43 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 7: No? 44 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 8: I five. 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 5: If five Republicans go with Democrats, then I'm out. So 46 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 5: it's it's it's weather, probably. 47 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: So probably, so, he says, if I vote with Democrats, 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm out. We also heard from Hakim Jeffrey's, the Democratic 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: leader in the House. Very difficult to decipher his language. 50 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: He says they will work with non extreme members of 51 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: the Republican conference, something to that extent, but nothing specific. 52 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Although we also heard from Congresswoman Promila Jayapaul, of course, 53 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 1: head of the UH the progressive caucus in the House. 54 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: She says, it's not a democratic problem. Don't look at me. 55 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: And that's where we begin our conversation with Congressman Ben Klein, 56 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: the Republican from Virginia's sixth district, is with us live 57 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: from Capitol Hill in a very busy Canon Office building rotunda. 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: It's good to see you, Congressman. I wonder your thoughts 59 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: on what is about to happen here and if you 60 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: play and to support Speaker McCarthy. 61 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 9: Well, it's definitely a historic day. This motion of vacate 62 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 9: hasn't been used in about one hundred years. So it's 63 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 9: going to be an interesting day and we'll see how 64 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 9: things sort themselves out. It has the potential to resolve 65 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 9: itself and continue on the road we're on, or it 66 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 9: has the potential to be a very chaotic day and 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 9: next few days. 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: You've been known as an ally of Speaker McCarthy. Maybe 69 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: you can correct me if that's not the way I 70 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: should put it, even as a member of the Freedom Caucus. 71 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: What will determine your decision here? 72 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 9: Well, I supported him for Speaker, but I also applauded 73 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 9: the reforms that the Freedom Caucus were able to get, 74 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 9: including the ability of one member to call a motion 75 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 9: to vacate that's being used. But I will say that 76 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 9: the vast majority of the Freedom Caucus today have indicated 77 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 9: that they are not going to vote to vacate the 78 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 9: chair because it's a. 79 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 8: Matter of timing. 80 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 9: What we're in the middle of right now is the 81 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 9: appropriations process. We have conservative appropriations bills moving through the floor, 82 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 9: and do we want to interrupt that process right now 83 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 9: to throw essentially the House into chaos because there is 84 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 9: no backup for Speaker and right now we're trying to 85 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 9: govern the way that we said we were going to 86 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 9: with the all twelve appropriations bills coming to the floor, 87 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 9: the Senate hasn't passed any and we're demonstrating that Republicans 88 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 9: can lead if given power in the House. 89 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: Did you receive assurances from the Speaker in the Republican 90 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: Caucus meeting this morning that gave you faith in him 91 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: going forward? 92 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 9: Well, we don't talk about what was discussing conference, but 93 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 9: what we will say is that the vast majority of members, 94 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 9: the vast majority of Freedom Caucus members, have also decided 95 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 9: that when it's a matter of timing when to call 96 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 9: the motion of akate, whether to call the motion of 97 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 9: a kate now is not the optimal time, since in 98 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 9: the middle of these appropriations bills, trying to get the 99 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 9: most conservative bills to the floor possible, if what we 100 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 9: end up with are five moderates teaming up with Democrats, 101 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 9: Hakim Jeffries. 102 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 8: Is urging to vacate the chair. 103 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 9: You have the potential for not just the same situation, 104 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 9: or not just chaotic situation, but a much worse situation 105 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 9: than we have now. 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: Well, okay, so it's difficult to tell if Speaker McCarthy 107 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: has the votes, Congressman, though, does see have yours? 108 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 9: Well, I'm still considering, but I will say that as 109 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 9: a matter of timing and as a member of the 110 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 9: Appropriation's Committee, my goal, my primary goal is putting these 111 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 9: conservative appropriations bills on the floor and getting them through. 112 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 9: You know, we had three of four bills passed last week. 113 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 9: We secured our border with our Homeland Security bill, gave 114 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 9: our troops pay raises with our Defense bill, made sure 115 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 9: that our veterans were taken care of. Unfortunately, our agriculture 116 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 9: bill was defeated by again moderates who didn't like the cuts. 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 9: We are really trying hard to cut spending, to get 118 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 9: rid of the woken weaponized government in these appropriations bills, 119 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 9: and you have to ask whether now is the time 120 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 9: to interrupt that process with a motion to vacate and 121 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 9: select a. 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: New speaker, well without invading your conference meeting earlier. Congressman, 123 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: what do you want to hear from Kevin McCarthy. Is 124 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: it a pledge to bring these single issue spending bills 125 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: to the floor to avoid another cr or something altogether different. 126 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 9: Well, we did not want to shut down, but I 127 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 9: am not a fan of the status quo. I'm not 128 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 9: a fan of the current forty five day CR. I 129 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 9: voted against it because I don't support the Pelosi spending 130 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 9: that's going on right now, and I don't support the 131 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 9: lack of a border solution. 132 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 8: And so what we had before that, what I voted for, was. 133 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 9: A continuing resolution for thirty days that did include border security, 134 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 9: that did include cuts to spending, and that was something 135 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 9: that we could have demonstrated the American people that were 136 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 9: moving in a different direction that we're not just treading water, 137 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 9: and that's why maintaining the status quo is not acceptable. 138 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying my best to understand you, and it 139 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: sounds like we're making a little progress here, Congressman. If 140 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: there was an assurance to have border security funding in 141 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: either another CR or a piece of legislation that gets 142 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: to the floor to help fund the government for a 143 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: longer term, if you saw that coupled with spending cuts, 144 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: you'd be behind Kevin McCarthy as speaker. 145 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 9: Well, I think that that was the first continuing resolution 146 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 9: that Kevin supported. He put it out there, it was 147 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 9: ultimately defeated, and we ended up with where we are 148 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 9: forty five days of the Pelosi spending levels put forward. 149 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 8: My hope is that we would avoid that moving forward. 150 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 9: The more that Kevin can reassure us that that is 151 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 9: not what he is going to do, that he is 152 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 9: going to push for border security, which he has, then 153 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 9: that's going to definitely go a long way toward reassuring 154 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 9: me that we're. 155 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 8: On the right track. 156 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a start here at least what happens in 157 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: forty five days. We just talked about the framing of 158 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: this continuing resolution. How are you looking at the next 159 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: couple of weeks here, Congressman. Did we simply prolong a 160 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: shutdown to the middle of November or can progress be made? 161 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 8: Progress ken and is being made. 162 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 9: What we saw from the Majority Leader, Steve Scalise was 163 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 9: a calendar of how we're going to get the rest 164 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 9: of these twelve appropriations bills through in October, and if 165 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 9: that's interrupted by a motion of akate that's successful, then 166 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 9: that calendar goes out the window and we're not able 167 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 9: to get it done, and then we're facing another shutdown. 168 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 9: So my hope is that we can get these twelve 169 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 9: bills through that you know, we have that motion of 170 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 9: a Kate as an option, but that we focus right 171 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 9: now on these appropriations bills. 172 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you one of the issues, the potential 173 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: problems illuminated by Matt Gates and some other Republicans, some 174 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: members of your own Freedom Caucus Congressman, has been the 175 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: potential for Kevin McCarthy to cut a deal with Democrats. 176 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: Some see this as an example of that with the 177 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: continuing resolution, is that your biggest worry now that he 178 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: turns away from you and toward Hakim Jeffries. 179 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 9: Well, he has indicated he's not willing to make any 180 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 9: deals with Hakeem Jefferies, and Hakeem Jefferies has indicated that 181 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 9: he wants to take McCarthy out, that he wants to 182 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 9: remove McCarthy a speaker. So he's instructed all of his 183 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 9: Democrats to. 184 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 8: Vote for the motion of a Kate. 185 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 9: So if it's Matt Gates and all of the Democrats 186 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 9: and one or two others, then. 187 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 8: That's where we're going to end up. 188 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 9: But at this point, my focus, and the Speaker's focus, 189 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 9: and the overwhelming majority of the conference's focus is on 190 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 9: getting these conservative appropriations bills through standing up to a 191 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 9: Democrat Senate with their appropriations process. They haven't passed a 192 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 9: single appropriations bill and ultimately standing up to Joe Biden 193 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 9: and removing this woken weaponized government from these appropriations bills 194 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 9: that we're able to do through the House. 195 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: You're on the Committee on Appropriations. You're also on the 196 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: Budget Committee. Congressman. We can talk freedom Caucus all day long, 197 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: but these are very important committees for the very issue 198 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: that we're talking about when it comes to funding the government. 199 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: What's the next step here? How do negotiations resume? Do 200 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: you just continue with single issue spending bills until all 201 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: twelve are passed, wait for a conversation with the Senate, 202 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: or is there something more aggressive that can be done 203 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: here in forty five days. 204 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 9: Well, one of the things that this city understands is 205 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 9: power and leverage. And when the House passes it's a 206 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 9: appropriations bills and the Senate doesn't pass any and has 207 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 9: to come to the table on how to address spending, 208 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 9: we are at an advantage. So we want to use 209 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 9: that advantage. We want to keep pressing on these appropriations bills. 210 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 9: We can win on the policy and on the spending 211 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 9: if we just press ahead, and that's what we're planning. 212 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 8: To do this October, and it is a question of. 213 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 9: Whether now is the right time to interrupt this process 214 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 9: with a motion to vacate. 215 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: Lastly, Congressmen, we understand that the motion to table will 216 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: be up soon. It is expected to fail. Will Kevin 217 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: McCarthy be Speaker by the end of the week. 218 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 9: Well, that remains to be seen. But my hope is 219 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,359 Speaker 9: that we keep on our track. We've got two appropriations 220 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 9: bills up this week, and if we can do those two, 221 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 9: the Natural Resources, Energy and Water Ledge Branch. We've got 222 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 9: a lot on our plate and we need to keep 223 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 9: our eye on focused on delivering for the American people. 224 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: It's great to have you with us today. Ben Klein, 225 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: Republican from Virginia's sixth district, a member of the Freedom Caucus, 226 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: and a real example of the conversations that are happening 227 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: behind closed doors right now with decisions that have yet 228 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: to be made. You hear a lot about uncharted territory. Yeah, 229 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: this is it. We don't even know how this show 230 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: is going to end right now, never mind how the 231 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: day is going to end for Speaker Kevin McCarthy. Let's 232 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: assemble our panel for their thoughts. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzano. 233 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad are with us today, Bloomberg Politics contributors with 234 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: the view from both sides of the aisle here, Rick, 235 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: what do you think about the next couple of hours. 236 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: We actually saw the motion to vacate filed by Matt 237 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: Gates last evening, and this could take a couple of days. 238 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: They have a couple of days potentially before they vote, 239 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: although it could happen today. Would Kevin McCarthy be fired 240 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: if that vote took place right now? 241 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, hard to tell. 242 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 10: I mean, I think what you're interview just now with 243 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 10: Congressman Klein indicated when he said that Hakim Jefferies has 244 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 10: instructed his Democratic members to vote for the vacate that 245 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 10: was news to me. I've been hearing Democrats all day 246 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 10: long talking to the press about I'm thinking about it. 247 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 8: I'm not thinking about it. 248 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: I like it. 249 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 8: I don't. There's a problem with the moderates. 250 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 10: And I'll be honest, I think this is all up 251 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 10: to the Democrats right now, because it does sound like 252 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 10: there are four or five, maybe six Republicans who have 253 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 10: made a conclusion that they're going to vote to vacate, 254 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 10: and that's enough to take him out of the chair 255 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 10: if the Democrats support that motion. 256 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: I love your thoughts on this, Genie, because we did 257 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: hear from Hakim Jeffries a bit earlier today. Listen to 258 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: how careful the language was that he used coming from 259 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: a Democratic Caucus meeting. He did not take a single question. 260 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 11: Courage are Republican colleagues who claim to be more traditional 261 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 11: to break from the extremists in the chaos, in the 262 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 11: dysfunction in the extremist We are ready willing and able 263 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 11: to work together with our Republican colleagues, but it is 264 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 11: on them to join us to move to Congress and 265 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 11: the country forward. 266 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: He's basically saying it's on them, period. It sounds like, Genie, 267 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: if you kind of read between the lines here. But 268 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: my goodness, Hackem Jeffries, maybe we can't figure out here. 269 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: But I couldn't figure out what ben Klein thought about 270 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: this after a ten minute conversation. How about you? 271 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 12: Yeah, that was just a fascinating conversation because you asked 272 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 12: him pretty repeatedly, you know where he stood. Was he 273 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 12: going to support the speaker? And he would not, you know, 274 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 12: give you a definitive answer, which suggests to me that 275 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 12: what we keep hearing on the Republican side, you know, 276 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 12: there's five to seven to ten, maybe upwards of you know, 277 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 12: maybe twenty one who would vote against the speaker. You know, 278 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 12: there are people for whom this speaker has really really 279 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 12: not won their support, and so it is just fascinating 280 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 12: to hear. And on the Democratic side, what we understand 281 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 12: coming out of the caucus is people were not inclined 282 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 12: to save Kevin McCarthy's job given everything that has gone on. 283 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 12: And what really seemed to sort of turn the heat 284 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 12: up in the caucus meeting was when they played the 285 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 12: clips of Kevin McCarthy over the weekend blaming Democrats for 286 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 12: the shutdown or the potential shutdown, those clips of him 287 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 12: going on TV and blaming the Democrats, And then I 288 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 12: heard Ritchie Torres one among any many, saying, listen, if 289 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 12: Kevin McCarthy wants our support, he's going to have to 290 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 12: ask us, and he's going to have to deal with it, 291 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 12: and McCarthy deal to get it rather and McCarthy doesn't 292 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 12: seem inclined to do that. So if he's not going 293 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 12: to ask, I don't think they're going to jump in 294 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 12: front of the bus. To save him, and he is 295 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 12: then going to be left hanging. It looks like, I mean, 296 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 12: hard to know, but it doesn't look like, at least 297 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 12: on the motion to table, Democrats are anywhere near close 298 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 12: to pushing that or killing Matt's Gates Matt Gates's motion 299 00:15:59,200 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 12: to vacate. 300 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: No, absolutely quite the contrary. This is from Jake Sherman 301 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: at punch Bowl, just posted on Twitter. I still call 302 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: it Twitter. A dear colleague from Hakim Jeffries. Listen to 303 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: this Rick and Jennie quote. Given their unwillingness to break 304 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: from MAGA extremism in an authentic and comprehensive manner, House 305 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: Democratic leadership will vote yes on the pending Republican motion 306 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: to vacate the chair. Let that marinate while we listened 307 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: to Primila Jaia Paul from earlier today, Stop by reporters 308 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: in the hallway. 309 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 13: This is not a Democratic problem. This is a Republican problem. 310 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 13: They supposedly have the majority. They should be able to 311 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 13: pick their own speaker. Our speaker is HACKEM Jeffries. It 312 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 13: always has been, it was for fifteen rounds, it will 313 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 13: continue to be. 314 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 7: So does that mean I've hear that just nobody trusts 315 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 7: Kevin McCarthy. 316 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 13: He trust Kevin McCarthy. Nobody trust Kevin McCarthy, and why 317 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 13: should we? He has broken his commitment over and over again. 318 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: This is amazing. It's the same script as Matt Gates. 319 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: Nobody trusts Kevin McCarthy. Rick. When you add all of 320 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: this information, it doesn't look great for him, does it. 321 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: Well. 322 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 10: Representative Ji Paul is the Democratic version of Matt Gay's 323 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 10: and so I mean, I think the two go together. 324 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 10: They're both of the extremes of either party, and sometimes 325 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 10: when you stretch that circle around the extremes to touch look, 326 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 10: I mean, this is pretty news breaking that Hakeim Jeffries, 327 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 10: as Ben Klein just said, has instructed his caucus to 328 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 10: support the. 329 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 8: Motion of vacate. 330 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 10: Now that depends upon how many want to stay in 331 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 10: the room or how many are willing to vote present. 332 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 10: This could go down to the wire. I think what 333 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 10: we're watching here is a very close race. 334 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: Amazing stuff. It's happening before our eyes, and we have 335 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: Rick Davis and gd Shanzano to walk us through it. 336 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to The Bloomberg Sound on podcast. 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There's a motion to table that 346 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: motion to vacate that we're going to walk through shortly, 347 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: and we've got an eye on the House floor for 348 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: you for when that vote actually comes up. We could 349 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: be in a world in which Kevin McCarthy is no 350 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: longer speaker at the end of this day. We could 351 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: also be in a world in which he is more powerful, 352 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: having survived it. That remains unclear. One thing we do 353 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: know is that he is calling Matt Gates bluff. He 354 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: talked to reporters earlier today. 355 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 5: Look, I think Matt has planned this all along. It 356 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 5: didn't matter what we transpired. You know, he would have 357 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 5: done it if we were in shutdown or not. I 358 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 5: firmly believe it's the right decision to keep government open, 359 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 5: to make sure our military is still paid, our border 360 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 5: agents are still paid. And if that makes a challenge 361 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 5: based upon whether I should be speaker, I'll take that fight. 362 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 6: So your calling is bluff. 363 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm calling his bluff. And here we are. 364 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: Let's find out what happens. We talked to Ben Klein, 365 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: member of the Freedom Caucus, Republican from Virginia, at the 366 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: top of the hour. He voted for Kevin McCarthy as 367 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: speaker and would not tell us where he would vote today. 368 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: As we reassemble the panel, Genie Shanzano and Rick Davis 369 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: joined Bloomberg Politics contributors with a lot in the air here, 370 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: Hakim Jeffries has made it clear, Genie, and now so 371 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: has Nancy Pelosi out with a statement that says, the 372 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House is chosen by the majority party 373 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: in this Congress. It is the responsibility of House Republicans 374 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: to choose a nominee and elect the speaker on the floor. 375 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: At this time, there is no justification, she writes for 376 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: a departure from this tradition. GENI, how important is it 377 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: to hear from Nancy Pelosi right now? Having already heard 378 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: from the active leader, Hakim Jeffries. 379 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 12: I think it's critical. And we heard over the weekend 380 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 12: that Nancy Pelosi was quietly urging Hakeim Jeffries not to 381 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 12: go in and help save or the Democrats as a whole, 382 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 12: save Kevin McCarthy, but she said in the end she would, 383 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 12: of course follow the speaker. The speaker has now spoken 384 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 12: and now has the Speaker Emeritus, Nancy Pelosi, in very 385 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 12: strong language, and I think she really reflects what we're 386 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 12: hearing from so many Democrats, which is number one. This 387 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 12: has been chaotic from the start, fifteen ballots to get elected, 388 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 12: walking us to the brink of a default, walking us 389 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 12: to the brink of a shutdown, and now a historic 390 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 12: motion to vacate. Not only they don't have a lot 391 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 12: of love for Kevin McCarthy, They blame him for Donald 392 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 12: Trump's position in the Republican Party as the leader saving 393 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 12: him after January sixth. They blame him for renegging on 394 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 12: their promise with Joe Biden that he made to keep 395 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 12: the government open and the funding levels. They blame him 396 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 12: for what he said over the weekend. I mean, they 397 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 12: just don't trust Kevin McCarthy, and they see no reason, 398 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 12: and they don't think their constituents were going in and 399 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 12: saving him and keeping his speaker. And to make it worse, 400 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 12: we're hearing he didn't even while he spoke to Jeffries, 401 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 12: he didn't ask for their support. And I think Hattie 402 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 12: he may get some, but if he's not willing to 403 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 12: ask and play with them and negotiate, they're not just 404 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 12: going to put their foot forward to save him. 405 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: But Rick, this cuts both ways. Doesn't it for Democrats 406 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: to turn like this? I appreciate the politics behind this, 407 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: and maybe Nancy Pelosi is right the majority should pick 408 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: the speaker, but Democrats get nothing done without a Speaker 409 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: of the House in this case, and we've got a 410 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: potential shut down what forty six days away? If my 411 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: count is right here, does this potentially work against democratic 412 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: priorities or I'm just I'm in another world here where 413 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: the institution matters. 414 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that she's making the same point you are. 415 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 10: I think the difference might be timing. I think they're 416 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 10: used to doing things when they need to quickly, like 417 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 10: they did on the keeping the government open. So all 418 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 10: that happened literally in the course of two hours, after 419 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 10: weeks of built up. If if Kevin McCarthy is ousted 420 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 10: as Speaker today, you may have a new speaker tomorrow. 421 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 10: I mean, it doesn't take long to call for speaker's race, 422 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 10: right Literally, almost instantaneous with his removal. 423 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 8: Would be a vote to put a new Speaker in. 424 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 10: And maybe they're making a calculation that a Stephen Scalise 425 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 10: or a Tom Emmer or Patrick McHenry. McHenry, maybe these 426 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 10: guys would be better. Maybe there's more resistance at that 427 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 10: point to the to the to the Freedom Caucus and 428 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 10: the MAGA team that they like to talk about. So 429 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 10: you know, there are a lot of calculations being made. 430 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 10: I do think Genie's right, you know, like I think 431 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 10: that Speaker McCarthy has burned a lot of bridges. The 432 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 10: smoldering ambers of smoked out bridges are right behind him 433 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 10: right now, both in his caucus and with the Democrats, 434 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 10: and so he may find out that that the way 435 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 10: he he's handled the speakership was not enough to support 436 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 10: his tenure for one year. I mean we're talking about 437 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 10: ten months in and he could wind up being deposed today. 438 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: Truly incredible. We asked Jim Jordan last evening on Bloomberg. 439 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: He said, I don't want to be speaker, and I 440 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: just wonder if any of the names that Rick just 441 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: mentioned Jeannie would ever stand in front of this train, 442 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: because boy, this is not for the faint of heart 443 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: here obviously. And by the way, nothing's actually keeping Kevin 444 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: McCarthy from running again, right well. 445 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 6: That's right. 446 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 12: And you know, I think one thing we forget in 447 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 12: all of this is the speaker is not just the 448 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 12: party leader. This is a constitutional requirement Article one, Section two. 449 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 12: The speaker is second in line to the presidency. We 450 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 12: have to have a speaker. It could take a long 451 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 12: time to get there. Certainly, Kevin McCarthy could run again, 452 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 12: you know. I know it's hard to imagine anybody wanting 453 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 12: this job. It is a very very powerful position. So 454 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 12: I think if the chips are down, somebody may step forward. 455 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 12: Maybe they would be better off getting somebody who's reluctant, 456 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 12: who can say, yeah, I'll do this for you Republicans 457 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 12: if you don't hold my feet to the fire the 458 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 12: way you did Kevin McCarthy. I don't know, you know, 459 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 12: I'm not sure who would be there to want it. 460 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 12: Right now. It is a very very tough job. As 461 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 12: we've seen with Kevin McCarthy. But you know, it could 462 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 12: be anybody. 463 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 8: I know. 464 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 12: The name we heard over the weekend was Tom Emmer, 465 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 12: but he has said he is firmly and Kevin McCarthy's camp. 466 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: Well, so is there a Machiavellian world genie in which 467 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: Democrats fire or don't defend Kevin McCarthy, they let him 468 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: get fired and just let the House go to hell 469 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: for the next year, that this is actually about the 470 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: election and retaking the majority. 471 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 12: At this point, I think it is possible. I certainly 472 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 12: hope that doesn't happen. I think Democrats are right to 473 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 12: say this is a republican issue they need to resolve it. 474 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 12: But also to your earlier point, you know, we do 475 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 12: need a functioning con and a functioning government. And earlier today, 476 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 12: when Hakem Jeffries was talking in one of his interviews, 477 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 12: he did make the case that now is time to 478 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 12: change the House rules. You don't want to let one 479 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 12: to five seven members hold up the business of the people, 480 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 12: and unfortunately that's what the House rules allow. And in 481 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 12: your interview you asked client, he said he supports the 482 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 12: rule of the motion to vacate at one I think 483 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 12: those are the kinds of things after this chaos. If 484 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 12: then when it's over, they really need to rethink these 485 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 12: rules so we can have a functioning house. 486 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: Well that was a product of a protracted speaker's battle, right, Rick, 487 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: do you see that maybe being a good thing that 488 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: emerges from this and that's the change in rules. They 489 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: got to change this rule. 490 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 10: It's a stupid rule and the only reason that was 491 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 10: cut this way was, you know, the speaker McCarthy's desperate 492 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 10: need for votes. I would remind everybody that the rule 493 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 10: has changed quite a bit over time. I mean even 494 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 10: Pelosi was under a tighter rule on this her first 495 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 10: term is speaker. But yeah, they ought to change it. 496 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 10: I mean, this is what he ought to be cutting 497 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 10: deals with the Democrats to do is say, the minute 498 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 10: this race is over, okay, say you don't get involved 499 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 10: at all in the speakers race. Let's have the next 500 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 10: vote be shifting the amount of votes needed to put 501 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 10: on a motion of vacate. Because you just can't live 502 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 10: with that knife hanging over your throat to speaker making decisions. 503 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 10: And you get to this point, I mean, like what 504 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 10: happens that's happened before the end of the year or 505 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 10: before the government's shutdown gets fixed. I mean, it's a 506 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 10: stupid way to operate. It's not at all what was 507 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 10: envisioned by this. It took us one hundred years to 508 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 10: get to this point. You know, ought to take us 509 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 10: one hundred years to ever see this happen again. 510 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: True enough, nineteen ten Speaker Joseph Cannon. We see lawmakers 511 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: like Ben Klein earlier joining us from the Canon House 512 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: office building. That's the rotunda where you see all the 513 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: lawmakers do in the TV shows named for Speaker Joseph 514 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: Kennon faced an unsuccessful motion to vacate that he introduced 515 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: himself to prove a point. The Republican from Illinois live 516 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: to see another day here as speaker, we'll see about 517 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. 518 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 519 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: live weekdays at one Eastern. 520 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 3: On Bloomberg dot com, the iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg 521 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: Business app, or listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts. 522 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad to say that we have lined up some 523 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: important voices to help us through this. We were plenty 524 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: to speak with. As I mentioned, Congresswoman Chrissy Houlihan, the 525 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: Democrat from Pennsylvania, is on the floor right now as 526 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: part of this process. We hope that we will connect 527 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: with her, but this is the game that we're in today. 528 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: This is minute by minute. Even Kevin McCarthy actually doesn't 529 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: know how this is going to end later on, and 530 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad to say that we do have Mara Gillespie 531 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: with us, the founder of Bluestack Strategies, former advisor to 532 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: Speaker John Bayner in Congress. Adam Kinsinger more, it's great 533 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: to see you as we meet here apparently on an 534 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: historic day. Do you think Kevin McCarthy has the votes 535 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: to survive or is this the end? 536 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 7: It's going to be an interesting next few minutes here. 537 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 7: I mean the fact that Pelosi is not here to 538 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 7: vote to aust McCarthy, which I think is kind of 539 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 7: an interesting take here that she's missing votes. I just 540 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 7: saw online that she's you know, racing back from the airport, 541 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 7: but doesn't look like she's going to make it. So 542 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 7: it's certainly something that you know, as part of this issue. 543 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 7: Right now, all members are there to vote, and so 544 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 7: this becomes a numbers game for Kevin McCarthy really does 545 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 7: come down with the numbers and how he can survive 546 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 7: the five that have said that they're not going to 547 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 7: vote for him or they're going to vote to ask him. 548 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 7: So it's going to be the numbers game for Kevin McCarthy. 549 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 7: But he has obviously seen that before, as we played 550 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 7: that game in January. And it's unfortunate though, because there's 551 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 7: so much work that he's to get done. And I 552 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 7: know that's been repeated, but here we are again, and 553 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 7: it's no wonder that the American people are wondering what 554 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 7: Congress actually does. 555 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: You could make the argument more that no matter what 556 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: happens today, whether McCarthy's ousted or whether his job is preserved, 557 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: that this could make budget negotiations even more difficult as 558 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: we walk into November and another potential shutdown. 559 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 7: How do you see it, Well, it does because what 560 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,239 Speaker 7: Kevin McCarthy did over the weekend, like him or not, 561 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 7: you know, trust him or not, he got the job 562 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 7: done and kept our government open because a government shutdown 563 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 7: would have just been handing it to the Democrats to 564 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 7: I mean it with every right to be you know, 565 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 7: lamenting what Republicans failed to do, which is the job 566 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 7: that is House of rosentaas you have to fund the government. 567 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 7: And so Kevi McCarthy did what he had to do 568 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 7: this weekend and shocked a lot of people, probably myself 569 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 7: included that it got done. And then on the flip side, 570 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 7: So going in with all that momentum and having, you know, 571 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 7: the best case scenario, Okay, let's work together, let's put 572 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 7: it on the Senate, Macays comes in and kind of 573 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 7: just throws a bomb in all of it. Now whatever 574 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 7: leverage was had is completely gone, because this just shows 575 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 7: that they are not doing the job that they've been 576 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 7: ellected to do. They're not actually working on the bills 577 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 7: they're supposed to be working on. Instead, they're having this 578 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 7: just this chaos and doesn't look like they're able to govern. 579 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it's entirely possible. We understand that Nancy Pelosi may 580 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: not make this vote. It's not a long ride from 581 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: the airport, but I can assure you the traffic today 582 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: is miserable. I want to ask you about your experience 583 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: though with Speaker Bayner, who knew about emotion to vacate. 584 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: Believe it was Congresome Meadows who brought that to the floor. 585 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't privileged and it was never voted on, but 586 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: you were part of that office when that feeling was 587 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: in the air. What's happening inside the Speaker's office today, 588 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: it's very stressful. 589 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 7: It's also very frustrating because people are just trying to 590 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 7: do their jobs and fight the bigger fight and what 591 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 7: this in house fighting, This in conference fighting is super frustrated, 592 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 7: especially because it's done publicly. 593 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 6: Kind of you know, you want to keep your fights 594 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 6: in the family. That's both sides. We want to try 595 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 6: and do as much as possible. 596 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 7: But when you have someone like a mac Gates who 597 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 7: is really just thinking about himself and only himself, that's 598 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 7: almost impossible to deal with. And again, you know, mac 599 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 7: Gates is loving this moment because he's getting this attention 600 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 7: and he loves that there's only a five seat majority. 601 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 6: He needs that over Kevin McCarthy. That's how he's holding 602 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 6: the whole conference hostage. 603 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 7: So for me, I remember, obviously I have certain feelings 604 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 7: about Mark Meadows, because I do. Again, you see right 605 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 7: through it. You see that it's an attention seeking effort. 606 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 7: It's to appease a small portion of what they think 607 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 7: is their base. 608 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 6: Mark meadows. Again, if anyone. 609 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 7: Read John Bayner's book, came groveling in, crying on his knees. 610 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 7: And that's just to just tell you everything about what 611 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 7: they're really doing on the public facing aspect and then 612 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 7: what they are saying behind closed doors. I don't think 613 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 7: there's any love lost between Macgate's and Kevin McCarthy. 614 00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 6: But again, this is just Matt. 615 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 7: Gate's trying to, you know, seck up all the oxygen 616 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 7: and get in front of the cameras. And in that 617 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 7: sense he's succeeding. But in doing the job that he 618 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 7: was allowed to do, he is miserably failing. 619 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: Wow, think of the scene that work Willspie just described 620 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: for us. So that's another way of saying as well, 621 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: relationships are being redefined, lines are being drawn. If Kevin 622 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: McCarthy survives this, what happens to somebody like Matt Gates. 623 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 7: He will continue to Unfortunately for us, I mean for 624 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 7: the Republica Party, he's going to continue to do this. 625 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 7: He's going to bring up this motion to vacate because 626 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 7: he has the ability to do so with the rules 627 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 7: that were set in January, and to continue to fundraise 628 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,719 Speaker 7: off of it, which is the end of the day. 629 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 6: That's really what he is doing. 630 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 7: He's been fundraising off of it, and this weekend he 631 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 7: did a media blitz on the Sunday shows and fundraised 632 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 7: off of that. 633 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 6: So he's just campaigning off of. 634 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 7: It, partially to build up his own profile, his own brand, 635 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 7: but also to account for any impending legal bills that 636 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 7: will be coming his way when he has this ethics 637 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 7: complaint investigation that's been renewed, and he'll need a kind 638 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 7: of account for that. So it's unfortunately the relationship is 639 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 7: not going to repair itself. This is more just about 640 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 7: the prerogatives of MATC. Gates versus Kevin McCarthy. And I 641 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 7: will also point out Democrats. It was a different situation 642 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 7: when it was John Bainner as Speaker, or even when 643 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 7: it was Paul Ryan a speaker. But when John Bayner 644 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 7: was Speaker, there was a level of respect and appreciation. 645 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 7: They might not have agreed with his policies, obviously the 646 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 7: Democrats are not, but they respected that John Bayner would 647 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 7: get the job done and do what it was in 648 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 7: the best interest of the whole House. And I would 649 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 7: just say that there's a handful of Democrats, if not all, 650 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 7: who don't have that same faith and confidence in a 651 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 7: Kevin McCarthy. 652 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: Boy. 653 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: That's something else. It looks like this vote is being 654 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: delayed here. It's interesting that, Yeah, Matt Gates needs five votes, right, 655 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: and there are five Democrats missing, So this actually could 656 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: be put on the table for a moment and we'll 657 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: let you know how that goes. Just another reminder, mora 658 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: of how thin this margin is, right, Yeah, and we. 659 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 7: Saw that, you know in twenty fifteen when it was 660 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 7: brought up. You know, there was a there's a funeral 661 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 7: happening in New York, and so the numbers were different 662 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 7: because there were a handful of members of the New 663 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 7: York delegation, both Republicans and Democrats, that were up in 664 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 7: New York and so they weren't available for the vote. 665 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 7: So the number game is really important, especially when you 666 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 7: have a thin majority, as Kevin McCarthy does in the 667 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 7: Republican conference. But again, you know what's so frustrated too, 668 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 7: and I'm sure it's frustrating for people at home going 669 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 7: what is happening? Why can't they just do their jobs? 670 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 7: You know, you have decades and people have asked him, 671 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 7: what's your plan here? 672 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 6: What's the plan, and there isn't one. Right. 673 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 7: He is going into this knowing that there isn't a 674 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 7: plan for if he were to succeed. He has no 675 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 7: idea what would happen next. And that's what's scary to 676 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 7: me is you have people in Congress who don't actually 677 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 7: want Congress to work. That's a problem and people should 678 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 7: be really alarmed by that. 679 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: Huh Maura. Thank you, Mora Gillespie. It's great to have 680 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 1: you back a Republican Strategists found where Bluestack Strategies worked 681 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: with Speaker John Bayner and Congressman Adam Kinzinger. Thanks for 682 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: listening to the Sound On podcast. Make sure to subscribe 683 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: if you haven't already, at Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else 684 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. And you can find us live 685 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: every weekday from Washington, DC at one pm Eastern Time 686 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com.