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Speaker 1: New York Times was this article that titled Trump maybe

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Speaker 1: preparing pardons for service and accused of war crimes. And

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00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: birthday present, and it almost made me sick that the

430
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: female soldier willingly guarded the door for him while he

431
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: raped me without blinking an eye Finally Gary returned and

432
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: was banging on the door. The man and woman yelled

433
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: one minute and threw a dirty quote on me as

434
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: I was lying naked on the table, and when Gary

435
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: entered the room, he attempted to ask them what was

436
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: going on, but they immediately stormed out. At the time,

437
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 1: my body was still limp at my speech impaired, so

438
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: Gary wrapped me in the quilt and carried me out

439
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: to the humpy outside and took me back to my

440
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: hotel room and then put me in my bed as

441
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: I needed to sleep. Gary said to call when I

442
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: woke up and then and that he or one of

443
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: the others we were traveling with would come back to

444
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: get me alone in the hotel room without a birk

445
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: and and uh, we're yacht for the night, yadd for

446
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: the night. So I called a friend who was a

447
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: travel agent, who arranged for me to meet an airline

448
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: who airline employee, who by some miracle, got me onto

449
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: a flight. Thankfully, I was able to return home, but

450
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: I was still incredibly upset at the fact that I

451
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: had been abandoned in a dangerous situation by my colleagues,

452
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: who knew that I had just who knew what I

453
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: had just endured and thought it was inappropriate that even

454
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: the w w E office, while not aware of the

455
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: rape yet, I would think it was a good plan

456
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: for the rest of the group to leave me alone there. Overnight,

457
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: as I returned to the US, doctor rio set set

458
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: a meeting with me and questioned me about the incident.

459
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: I have no idea how he knew anything that happened.

460
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: I suspect that either something showed up in my drug

461
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: test results, one of the other individuals on the tour

462
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: reported it to him, or he could just sense from

463
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: my demeanor that something was wrong. Regardless, he told me

464
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: that I needed to tell him what had happened. I

465
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: had finally agreed on the condition that he not disclosed

466
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: the information to anyone else, and told him what had occurred.

467
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: Dr Rios then informed Vince, obviously Vince McMahon, who informed

468
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: Kevin Dunn, John Laurenatis. I assume these are heads of

469
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: the w w and several other company executives or lawyers

470
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: that I had never even met, but we're all president

471
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: of meeting that I was called into shortly after. Vince

472
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: led the meeting with these men and asked me to

473
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: recount what happened to Kuwait. Then he said it was

474
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: not in the best interest of the w w E

475
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: for me to make the information about my attack public.

476
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: I was still completely traumatized at that point, and I

477
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: just agreed. It was clear that there had been a conversation,

478
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: that they had reached a decision on their own prior

479
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 1: to consulting with me, as this was not a debate,

480
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: but rather Vince instructing me to keep this confidential. Vince

481
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: did at least apologize for a lot of what I

482
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: went through, but then stressed that if I disclosed this incident,

483
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: it would ruin the relationship between the w w E

484
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: and the U S. Military. He told me not to

485
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: let one bad experience ruin the work that they were doing.

486
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: His lack of sensitivity and referring to my ordeal as

487
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: quote one bad experience left me speechless. Vince went on

488
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: to say that I would not be required to travel

489
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: to the Middle East ever again, and that the w

490
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: w E would institute a new policy where any time

491
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: a female w w E performer went to the Middle East,

492
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: she would have a female w w E escort with

493
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: her seven to ensure that this did not happen again.

494
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: So that right there is a really crazy story. I

495
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: haven't seen any military outlets um boarding on it, but

496
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: it's something that should be rewarded on. So that guy

497
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: who raped her, you think that was his first time

498
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: raping a woman? That I do not know? I mean,

499
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: it seems pretty orchestrated, with the I V and everything else.

500
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: I think I think it's maybe his fifth. He had

501
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: a system down, and it is crazy. Reading about the

502
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: woman just standing there guarding the door. That was pretty surprising.

503
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: It's the system, and it was planned and there were

504
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: at least two people who knew about it. There's probably more.

505
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: There's probably if I were to guess based on just

506
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: the weird stuff I found out covering military sexual assault cases,

507
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: I bet you there's a ring. I bet. I bet

508
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: there was five, six, seven guys involved, and I bet

509
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: they did that too, dozens of women, And if you

510
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: went investigating it, I bet some of that would shake out.

511
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: And there's probably female soldiers walking around right now who

512
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 1: were raped and they have you know that they're just

513
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: keeping it to themselves, or they were blacked out because

514
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: they were so heavily medicated and they have no idea

515
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: who did what to them cases fucking crazy and uh

516
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: and you know what the w w E did to

517
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: this this woman traumatized her a second time because they

518
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: didn't support her, and they threw her under the bus

519
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. And this is I mean, this

520
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say, man, is a lot

521
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: of ship has been covered up in this war a lot.

522
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: And and by the way, you know, as unfortunate as

523
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: it is, I could see why the ww E said,

524
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: don't report this. This will make the w w e

525
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: s relationship with the military look bad because if they

526
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: come become public with this, the narrative could become, why

527
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: are you supporting this woman's word over us military? Yeah,

528
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. Here's the here's the thing. Why

529
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: is it that we are putting the rapist in a

530
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: higher stature than this woman who was raped and we

531
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: do this ship over and over and over again. Is

532
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: that the victim needs to shut the funk up because oh,

533
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna tarnish the reputation of the army or whatever,

534
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: and instead we're gonna support the criminal. And you know,

535
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: say what whatever, whatever bullshit excuse And I mean the

536
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: flag waving and the patriotism. That stuff comes out every time.

537
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: It's like the one I I that story I worked

538
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: on about the guy in the hundred first Airborne Division

539
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: and the he was abusing male soldiers in in Uh

540
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: in his platoon. And when those soldiers would go to

541
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: their chain of command, the fucking colonel and the sergeant

542
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: major would they sat They sat the one guy I

543
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: talked you down, one of the many guys I talked to,

544
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: They sat him down and they said, why would you

545
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: want to tarnish the reputation of the band of brothers?

546
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: Like what can we do for you to make this

547
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: all go away? It's crazy. It's crazy, and it happens

548
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. And the my my

549
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: issues with also with all of these people out there

550
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: who just want to wave the flag and say support

551
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 1: the war fighter. So I know, what's happening here is

552
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: not okay. It's not okay. We have twenty two soldiers

553
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: a day killing themselves. At least that's the one statistic

554
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: that gets put out there over and over again, twenty

555
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: two soldiers a day, and we all act like it's

556
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: this horrible thing. Um, we all want to talk about

557
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: how sad it is something's got to be done. Has

558
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: anyone ever stopped for just a moment to ask themselves

559
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: why two soldiers are killing themselves every day? How can

560
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: we never ask why? Is it because they were raped

561
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: in a combat zone? Is it because they saw a

562
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: teammate murder civilians and it disturbed them? I mean, there

563
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: are all sorts of different reasons why why they why

564
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: they came home so traumatized? And maybe it has nothing

565
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: to do with um something criminal, right? You know, for

566
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: sure combat can mess with somebody's head, normal combat with

567
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: the enemy. You see a friend cut in half by

568
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: an I E. D. I mean, they're very traumatic things

569
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: that happened to soldiers. But I feel like we we

570
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: just wanna talk about the twenty two a day, as

571
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: if it's happening in a vacuum, as if there isn't

572
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: a cause and effect, like as if it isn't happening

573
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: for a reason, and we don't ask the question why

574
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: because deep down we don't want to know. That's probably

575
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: the worst part of all. Wall said, um, And I

576
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: hope more people report on this because it's very unfortunate

577
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: to hear about this death. And it wouldn't be crazy

578
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: to think that this is in some way connected with it.

579
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: So if this story should come out, of course it is, yeah,

580
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: of course it is all right. Well with that, we

581
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: do have a great interview lined up. We have Remy

582
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: Adelak who is an amazing story. His book is doing

583
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: great things and is out there right now, so let's

584
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: get right over to him on the phone with us

585
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: right now. Remy adwack A grew up in Africa actually

586
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: uh into a family of Nigerian royalty. When his father died,

587
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: he relocated to the Bronx, got caught up in drug

588
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: dealing and theft as a teenager, but then from there

589
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: joined the military, became a Navy Seal, went on to

590
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: act in Transformers The Last Night, and you're also in

591
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: another upcoming Michael Bay film, which is pretty cool. And

592
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: the reason we're having you're on beyond that great story

593
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: is that you're the author now of Transformed, and that

594
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: title goes to your your partner Transformers Transformed, a Navy

595
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: seals unlikely journey from the throne of Africa to the

596
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: streets of the Bronx, defying all odds. It's an honor

597
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: to have you on, man, and it's thanks for having

598
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: me brother. Absolutely. Yeah, thank you, Remy. I'd want to

599
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: have you on for a long time since I read

600
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: something about you and I was just like, oh man,

601
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: this is like such a great story. Yeah, thank you,

602
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah man, I've I've heard about you guys

603
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: for a while, so I like, what's going on. Yeah, no,

604
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time for us today.

605
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: Um and you know, happy to help you, uh promote

606
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: the book. I mean this is like a really um

607
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: not not just a really unique story, but it's also

608
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: is a story about perseverance. Um. So I guess the

609
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: first question I wanted to ask you was a little

610
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: bit about, um, you know, your upbringing in in Nigeria

611
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: and if you could explain a little bit about that

612
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: context of your your family background. And I get the

613
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: sense that there was, um some political chicanery that took

614
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: place that led to you having to leave the country. Yeah. Yeah,

615
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: so I don't know how far back you guys are

616
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: okay with me going back, but go for you. It

617
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: kind of good. It kind of starts my grandfather. Um so,

618
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: my grandfather he was he was a royal chief within

619
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: the Europa tribe. There's there three very prominent din't there

620
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: are many tribes in Nigeria, but did three very prominent

621
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: tribes with Ebu House in Europa, and my grandfather was

622
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: a chief within the europe tribe and with that came

623
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: his you know, and European and Western culture we refer

624
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: to royal to he is king, queen, prince, Princido's Dutch

625
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: and Nigerian culture. It's your last name and see so

626
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: our last name a lake ad actually means clown and

627
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: lake a means above the wool. Name is actually at

628
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: a ready, everybody, you just go over remy for short.

629
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 1: At the remy means the crown has appeased me. And

630
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: so my grandfather because of his status and as a

631
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: chief within the year of a tribe, he was very

632
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: wealthy and he also had many wives. He had like

633
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: nine wives, and my grandmother was one of the nine

634
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: wives and the very first son. And it was boring

635
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: to my grandfather was my father. So my father just

636
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: naturally inherited that title. But my grandfather died when my

637
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: dad was eight, and when he died, my father migrated

638
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: down to the South. And when he got down to

639
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: the South, there were Christian missionaries there and not only

640
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: did they teach the Bible, but they also taught science, math,

641
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, history. Just Weston would pretty much provided a

642
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: Western education. So my dad, he was a savant. He

643
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: soaked it all up and he was just this intelligent guy,

644
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: so much so that he ended up getting a full

645
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: right scholarship to study engineering and architecture in London, and

646
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: he went on to getting matches as well, and then

647
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: he went on to start all these businesses. But was

648
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: your father was then amongst the first, the first generation

649
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: after um colonial ism to be brought to the West

650
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: and go to college. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because my dad

651
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: was born three, so that that was really really a

652
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: lot older. And so yeah, he's your spot on and

653
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: um he learned first and so um and started all

654
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: of these businesses. He ended up being like the first

655
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: black guy at the World Trade Center in New York City.

656
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: He ended up being on the World County Planning Council

657
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: in Britain, and he did all these things. But there

658
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: was this burning desire within him to get back to Nigeria,

659
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: to really establish Nigeria the beacon for all of the

660
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: world to look at, because he hated the stereotype that

661
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: Africans were like these bush people who were in around

662
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: the spears, and they were uneducated, and he didn't have

663
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: anything to give to the world, and so he wanted

664
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 1: to go there to really which it was not true,

665
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: but he really wanted to go change that narrative, and

666
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: so he went back to Nigeria. He started all of

667
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: these businesses. He started this engineering firm and he ended

668
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: up building built his massive enterprise, so much so that

669
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: he invested in this in this land in Nigeria called

670
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: Americo um and he spent eight million pounds to buy

671
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: the land in order to develop the city. Nigerian government

672
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: stripped that from him. He was the court for ten

673
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: years and battled them. They did it back. They ended

674
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: up giving him this lagoon and we took this lagoon

675
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: and he created a man made island. He dredged in

676
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: and created a man made island. Around the same time,

677
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: this is when I was born. I was born in

678
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two and um so I was essentially born

679
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: into the wealth that my dad had already established. You know,

680
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: I was born. You know, we had you know, trial

681
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: with the world at Nanny's cars, drivers, security horses. When

682
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: they lived on a house. We lived on a compound.

683
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: You know we I literally lived the dreams and um

684
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: in nine seven and Nigerian government, after the plan was

685
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: fully formed, they decided that this land doesn't belong to

686
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: you anymore. You can't have this, which was very you know,

687
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: corrupt in the sense because they could have waited that

688
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: they could have done that before he started dredging the

689
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: lagoon that created an island, but they waited till it

690
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: was fully formed, and once it was born, they stripped

691
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: it from him and he had invested every penny in it,

692
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: and my dad died a few days later in the

693
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: midst of fighting them. So we went from rich to port.

694
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's unreal, but it's also you know,

695
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: very sad that you know, your it sounds like your

696
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: father was really trying hard to build something and was

697
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: undermined by you know, the local corruption. Yeah, absolutely, it's

698
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: a big thing. Corruption is a I'm working on a

699
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: project and i'm right now tzo and I rarely go

700
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: deep into the corruption that plays Nigeria. Really sad that

701
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: that thing is that Nigeria's consistently went as one of

702
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: the most corrupt nations in the world and then not pours.

703
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: It's not a poor nation by any eats um. The

704
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 1: more they provide oil, they have cocoa. I mean, oil

705
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: was one of them the major exports. So they're very,

706
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: very rich country. It's just that the politicians at the top,

707
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: they had no problem with dealing. They have no problem

708
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: taking money that's supposed to go to schools or roads

709
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: and putting it in their own pocket. And then when

710
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: we get the oil, that's a whole another correct And

711
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: and after that you touched down in the Bronx with

712
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: your mom. Yeah, was that like super culture shock for

713
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't for me because you know, my

714
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: mom did a did a fantastic job of masking the

715
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: reality of what had happened to us. You know, the

716
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: best the bessonality that could use is my mom was

717
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: just I just envisioned. My mom is this director, right,

718
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: she's just director on this movie set and he's she's

719
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: creating this this movie set that that that where if

720
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: you look at it, everything seems perfect. But when you

721
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: step off the movie off the movie set, it's chaos.

722
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: And that's what my mom did. As a matter of fact,

723
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: you know, I tell people this all the time. When

724
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: my dad died, I'll never forget it. You know, my

725
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: mom played my brother on her right side and you

726
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: on her left side. It was this red couch and

727
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: she said, you know, in such a calm, easy manner,

728
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: your my you know, your dad's dad, and he's not

729
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: coming back. And and there were no tears in her eyes.

730
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: She was so strong, and she said in it's such

731
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: a common way that me and my brother looked at

732
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: each other and we're like okay, and we went back

733
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: to playing. Because it was just the way my mom delivered.

734
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: And that's just a snapshot of of the world that

735
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: she created for us, not because she was trying to

736
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: hide the reality, because she was trying to protect us.

737
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: But she knew that if we broke down, then she

738
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: would break down more. And she broke down, we would

739
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: bring down more. So you know, it wasn't until I

740
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: was about eight years old that the reality set in,

741
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, because I beginning to ec things. You know,

742
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: as a kid, you see things, you see the environment

743
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: that you go up and you didn't know it. Sup

744
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: point like is this is this is the way people

745
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: was a little to treat each other. You know, I

746
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: was beat up, but I was jumped. I had fights

747
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: and then you know, I looked at our financial situation.

748
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: There were times my mom had to go to the

749
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: to the office, and I was right there, went for

750
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: the rent office to ask for extra time to pay

751
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: the bills, you know, to pay the rent so that

752
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: we could keep staying the apartment. There were times when

753
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: my mom didn't have enough food to feed herself. She

754
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: had jest enough food to feed my brother, and my

755
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: brother and I shared the same clothes and ship sneakers.

756
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: You know. It's just so as I and I got older,

757
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, that's when I really begin to realize, Wow,

758
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: like this is my this is my normal. Uh, this

759
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: is what's going on. And I remember actually breaking down

760
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: one day and just crying because I was My mom

761
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: would tell me all of these stories of how we

762
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: used to live, and you know, it was just like, man,

763
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: I wanted that life, and I associated my father and

764
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: alive with us having that life, and so um yeah, Man,

765
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: as time went on, I just that's when I decided,

766
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: I think, unconsciously, I'm going to make a way. I'm

767
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna find a way to make that life for myself,

768
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: to create this amazing life. And that's when I started

769
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: out doing some new fairy stuff. That I started. I

770
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: steal it for my mom, and that that progresses, you know,

771
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: stealing from stores to get you know, chips and little

772
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: things here and there. And then that progressed getting jobs

773
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: and stealing from jobs as much as I could, and

774
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: then that progressive selling drugs, and then that progressive running

775
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: high level scams. And you know, by the time I

776
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: was nineteen, I had this natural legal emphasized well, bringing

777
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: a thousands, thousands and all the week, you know what

778
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean. And I had provided that life that I

779
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: wanted my father to provide me, but I provided it

780
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: in a in a very very illegal way. You a

781
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: young entrepreneur, young entrepreneur, absolutely absolutely hustling. And what when

782
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: when did it get into your head? I mean, you're

783
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: gonna have this massive career shift from Krim the Hole

784
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: to Navy seal. Yeah, yeah, well, you know as far

785
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: as the Hole Navy Seal piece. Back in ninety six,

786
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: there was a film that came out called The Rock,

787
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: and um, that was the first time I heard of

788
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: Navy Seals. You know, I was the first time I

789
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: was growing up in the Bronx hood. You say, you

790
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: don't know nothing about Special Forces of the Seals, you

791
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you don't get recruiters to

792
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: talk about or you know, special Forces guys that come.

793
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: You don't see billboards, so there's no education around it. Um.

794
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: I get the question all the time, runnalize it that

795
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: there are not many African Americans and minorities and sauces

796
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: because of racism, And my answers don't. I don't see

797
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: this racism on the military sport. I see it as

798
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: there's a lack of information. There's a lack of education

799
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: in the inner city. So when you don't have that information,

800
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: you don't know about it, you can't pursue it, right.

801
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: And so for me, I didn't know anything about seals

802
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: until until I watched this movie The Rock and I

803
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: saw these guys coming out of the water and doing

804
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: all these crazy stuff, and yeah, they got killed, but

805
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: I was just like just mesimalized, and so you know,

806
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: the Marines got them. Yeah, And so fast forward to

807
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: one of to to to him. When I wasn't doing

808
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: my thing, hustling in the streets, you know all stories short,

809
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 1: I got involved in the deal with a drug dealer

810
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: that went extremely, extremely bad, Like it was a way

811
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: to off you know, I sold them some products that

812
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: were supposed to last one sort amount of time, a

813
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: fraction at that time, and he came knocking on my door,

814
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: and uh, he was just like, if you don't give

815
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: me what I'm wondered when I'm do, things are not

816
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna go too well for you. And I knew his reputation.

817
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: He was a killer, like he had bodies, That's what

818
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: we said in the streets. He had bodies us. He

819
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: killed people, That's who he was. And so I do

820
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: what that meant, you know what I'm saying. I knew

821
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: he was gonna kill me, and you know, you know,

822
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: I didn't want to take that chance, and I didn't

823
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: want to, you know, rest my mom's life. And so

824
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, I made him the money that I needed

825
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: to make them. And then after that, I decided, you know,

826
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do absolutely nothing. I'm out of the

827
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: game of getting out of this hustling game itself. For

828
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: six months, I did nothing, and then fast forward to

829
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: Junior two thousand and two. You know, I finally gets

830
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: more to the story to on my books. I'm on board,

831
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: you guys would have. But I finally got and got

832
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: to the point where I was just like, you know,

833
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: what are you doing with your Like like, what what

834
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: else do you have? Least like you failed at everything,

835
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna do? And the idea came

836
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: in my mind during the military, man like that was

837
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: totally contrary to who I was, because I hated the government.

838
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: I hated the police. I associate anybody in the uniform

839
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: with a police officer. I got thrown in jail for

840
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: dumb stuff that I shouldn't have got arrested for. You know,

841
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: it was just like I just hate I just hated

842
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: the system, and so I didn't want to be part

843
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: of the system. But I just I got to the

844
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: point where I was just like, what else are you

845
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna do? You ain't got nothing up, so you know,

846
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: I said screw it, and I ran down the street

847
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 1: I grew up on and I went to the recruiter's office.

848
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: And again this multiple story, but I ended up in

849
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: the Navy recruiter's office and and uh, she ran my

850
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: background found out I had two months out from my

851
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: arrest at a law in New Jersey and law in

852
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: New York, and uh, praise God, man, like, this woman

853
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: saw something that me I didn't seen myself because she

854
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: she literally told me to come back the next day

855
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: instead of turning me into the police. And and and

856
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: the next day she was an address uniform and she

857
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: took me to both judges, shook them to the judge

858
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: in New Jersey and the judge in New York Man

859
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: and she just advocated on my behalf for for me

860
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: in front of just like, please expunge this guy's record

861
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: because like, you know, I want him to get into

862
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: the military. You can't get into the military with her record. Um.

863
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: And both judges were like, hey, this is post eleven

864
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: um that teams joined the military. We see this as

865
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: an act of patriotism. Bom both of them expunge my record.

866
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: She fudged my paperwork at the maps. Next thing, you

867
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: know him in the Navy. That's that's so awesome that

868
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: she was a female UM Army or I'm sorry, Navy

869
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: recruiter and she actually like walked you into the courtroom

870
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: and helped you get these warrants dropped. Yeah. Yeah, And

871
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: she was from the Bronx. And the reason why she

872
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: did that, Tiana is you know, I tried to say

873
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: the name all the time because she ended up dying

874
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: for years after that that of her own own disease,

875
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: and I dedicated as you read the book. At the

876
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: end of the book, there's this author's note that tells

877
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: more of the story because she's in the book. Um,

878
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: the story what she did to me is really in

879
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: the book. Um. And and I referenced her throughout the book.

880
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the book there's this

881
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: there's no to her and her family because he's saying,

882
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: but her family has become my family, you know. Um.

883
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, Like she was from the Bronx, and

884
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: she just knew that no one would take a chance

885
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: on me. She knew that if I went to another recruiter,

886
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: I was going to be blacklisted, did not be able joint.

887
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: And she was just like, let me get this guy

888
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: a chance. And I also found out from the family

889
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: that that's what she did. She would drive around the

890
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Bronx and her native recruiters car and meet up with

891
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: friends who she used to you know, hang with, who

892
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: was selling drugs and doing bad stuff. And she was

893
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, listen, told me, I see where your

894
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: life is going. Let's getting to the mill that she

895
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: would get people into. She was like a Robin hood

896
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: in the hood Navy, and I actually happened to right

897
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: into the running to her and and then that's how

898
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: I got into the Navy. Man, it was a blessing.

899
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: And uh, when I got to boot camp, you know,

900
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: kind of getting back to the seal thing, there was

901
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: there's a seal that came um and he put on

902
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: his presentation that happens in every bootcamp. Division shows his

903
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: video what seals do you know? Guys jumping from plane,

904
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: shooting guns, rod driving doom buggies. It was doing buggy video.

905
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: I never forget and um and and and he and

906
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: then he gave it and he said, who wants to

907
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: be a seal? And like when that happened, that dream

908
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: that I had when I was like fifteen, when I

909
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: watched it, rock like just bubbled up back in me.

910
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I won't do that, Like seriously,

911
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: that's what I want. I read that you had to

912
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: teach yourself to swim before you went yeah. Yeah, so

913
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: I I so after boot camp, but I got stationed

914
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: in Naval Hospital Camp Pendleton, and um, and I was

915
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: just determined and so I I'd have a car and

916
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: I was just what it was just a swamp thing.

917
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have to, as that scores. You can't be

918
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: a IVO to be a seal. And I was skinny.

919
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: I was literally like just skinny dude, right, I could

920
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: barely do ten push ups and so um so yeah man,

921
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: I just I would run three miles to the pool,

922
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: jumped in the pool, try to figure it out in

923
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: the shadow, and and went three miles back. You know,

924
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: as time passed, you know, I began to figure it out,

925
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: and and and and how long was That's real? The

926
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: determination it was. I wanted it. You know, I didn't

927
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: have anybody standing over me saying do this. So I

928
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: was like I would go to the gym and just

929
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: make up work. I was a bart Aian dude. I

930
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: would just do just ridiculous stuff people. I remember I

931
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: would run up the hill to the pool barb or

932
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: with a long barbell on my back, like I don't

933
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is gonna work. This is

934
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: but I just thought I might stroke. So so yeah, man.

935
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: And then within the year checking into my command, I was,

936
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I was checking out and going to buds. And I

937
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: read also that you know, your first time around, you

938
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: didn't make it. I mean you had to, you had

939
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: to sock it up and go back and try it again. Yeah. Man.

940
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: So when I got the first phase of buds, the

941
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: first time, I had like literally failed every I feel

942
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: every swim like because when I was training to go

943
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: to buds, I didn't notice you had to swim with sins.

944
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: I just thought the check to be five one of

945
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: York screening tests to get into buds. And I thought

946
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: that once you got the buds and it was all

947
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: like running and push ups and if you swam, it

948
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: wasn't a time. I didn't you just had to finish

949
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: the swim. I didn't know any of this stuff. And

950
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: so when I got there and I put them friends

951
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: on and they were like two mile time, no swim

952
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: of eighty five minutes, I was like what, like what

953
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: to what? And so I didn't know how to do it.

954
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: So I would literally the swimtime was eighty five minutes.

955
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: I was in the pool. I was in the ocean

956
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: for two hours. Every swim. The instructors wouldn't let me stop.

957
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: They would just either quit or keep swimming. And it

958
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: was horrible because at the end of every swim, I

959
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: had nobody set mr the Pacific Ocean. So at the

960
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: end of every swim, not even at the end like

961
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: at the three the when I was about a third

962
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: of the way through, hypothermia would start to set in.

963
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: And by the end of the swim, I was either

964
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: hypothermic or borderline hyperthermic. And and and then so when

965
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: I would check into the swim buoy to the swim

966
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: boat to the end for the end of the swim,

967
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: my swim buddies had to swim me to the south

968
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: the search zone because I was just done, I was smoked,

969
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: I was incoherent, I was just a mess. And and

970
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: week after week, instructors like, just can't keep showing up.

971
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: I had a I just show up to know I

972
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: was a probably gonna die. I'm crazy, It's gonna happen.

973
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: And uh A long story short, I made it through

974
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: how week, crushed that. And then after I make it

975
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: through how Week, that the ums, the the EXCEL and

976
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: the CEO was just like, Okay, we see the tooth

977
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 1: deterament that you want to be in your hard dude,

978
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna performance roll you. So they performance

979
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: rolled me two classes so that I can learn how

980
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: to swim, and then once two or three finish hell week.

981
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: Then I classed up with them, and then I continued

982
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: on with training and then when I got to die

983
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: phase to swim times that dropped from eighty five minutes

984
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: to eighty minutes, and I tell my first two swims.

985
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: And then I went to pool week, which is you know,

986
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: two weekly, do all these different dive tests and once

987
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: you passed out, you're pretty much almost Scott free. You

988
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: just more half more than halfway through training and um

989
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: and I failed this test and during pool week four

990
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: times and went to a r people and they were like, dude,

991
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, we see that you at what takes, but

992
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: this quarter thing is just killing you and we can't

993
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: keep rolling you. We gotta performance drop you. So they

994
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: kicked me out of training, went to the fleet, and

995
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: came back two years later and made it through, started

996
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: day one all over again, first phase, hell a week everything.

997
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: That's hardcore, man. But you know, I think you know

998
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: I made the point once that because we get people

999
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: right in and send us emails like, oh, how do

1000
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: you make it through selection? I was like, look, the

1001
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: type of people who make it are the type of

1002
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: people who are like, I'm either going to graduate this

1003
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: course or you're gonna carry me out on a stretcher

1004
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: and it seems like you were you were in that category.

1005
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely, Like, um, you know, I tell people

1006
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: all the time like you know, and I'm glad you

1007
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: brought that up. But I get the question all the time, hey, remy, like,

1008
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: why is it that that I show up to any

1009
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: selection program? Not just Boss, but I mean, you know,

1010
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: to do it's any selection program? Why is it that

1011
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: ninety three? Because only like a fraction of the guys

1012
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: make I'm sorry, why is it that, you know, all

1013
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: of these guys show up and only fraction that guys

1014
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: make it. And you know, my answer is always the same.

1015
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: It's you know, a lot of guys that show up

1016
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: to solve programs they have it's a it's just a

1017
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: good idea to them. Yeah, that's all it is. You know,

1018
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: they have super they have a superficial reason as to

1019
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: why they want to do it. And that's superficial reason

1020
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: is oh, I want to be I don't want to

1021
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: shoot guns. I wanna jump out of planes, I wanna

1022
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, I want to you know, hang out with

1023
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: cool guys and just do this. But you know what,

1024
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: when once you get into selection and you get putting

1025
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: that water, you get on those long routcomes or those

1026
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: long runs, or you know you're getting hammer day and

1027
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: the day that good idea quickly turns into a bad idea, right,

1028
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: And so what you have to have on what I had,

1029
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: You know what you had, and what other guys who

1030
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: go to soft will make it through have, in my opinion,

1031
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: is what's called the deep root of emotional reason as

1032
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: to why they want to do it and like like

1033
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: something and it's not old for patriotism old because they

1034
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: know those is to me, those are still kind of

1035
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: superficial reasons. Patriotism to work depends on how you're gonna

1036
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: use it. But for me, it was I have nothing

1037
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: like that was my emotional reason. It's like I have

1038
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing left. I had failed that everything in life

1039
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: so far, and I will not fail again. So I

1040
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: don't care. I literally have to die. I almost died,

1041
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: and still trying to actually tell a story in my book.

1042
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: But I'm like, guy, I was an ice you for

1043
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: like four days the first time I went to help,

1044
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: and I kind of glaze over that. But the first

1045
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: time I went through that was almost died. Went to

1046
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: the ICU for four days got out started phase first

1047
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: phase all day also started first base all over again.

1048
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: Day one went through first base again, made it through

1049
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: hell week, and then ended up getting dropped to starting

1050
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: all over again. But again my thing was this is

1051
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: it all or nothing? And I'm sure I was saying

1052
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: for you and other guys who have made it, you know,

1053
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 1: this is it. There is no there is nothing else. Yeah,

1054
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: all or nothing. It's awesome. Yeah, but I mean it

1055
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: paid off for you. I mean you got your tident,

1056
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: you went onto the teams. Yeah, when all of the

1057
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: teams had a great career. Man um loved it. Dude,

1058
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: got to go overseas, kick down doors and operate, you know,

1059
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: do all kinds of crazy stuff. You know that. I

1060
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: never thought I was a human guy, and so not

1061
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: only was I, you know, a door kick, I was

1062
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: a medic as well. So not only would that get

1063
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: a chance to kick down doors and do cool stuff,

1064
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: but I also got a chance to do like, you know,

1065
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: intelligence type stuff, stuff that I never thought I would

1066
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: be able to do, you know, stuff with with you

1067
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: know that would that were connected to federal agencies and

1068
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: government agencies, you know, And here I am, this kid

1069
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: from the hood. I mean in rooms with government of

1070
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, government officials, government agents, and they're asking me

1071
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: questions about sources or formants, whatever you want to call it,

1072
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: and I'm answering them and I'm articulating myself in a

1073
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: way that that that that that that they can receive,

1074
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, it was this dream world. Man,

1075
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: it was his dream life for me. Man just seven

1076
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: and a half years and the team who I did

1077
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: a total of thirteen and thirteen years in military, seven

1078
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: and a half was in the teams and uh and yeah,

1079
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: and I loved it. Remy. Let me let me ask

1080
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: you this question. I've asked this to um, you know

1081
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: people I know African American CIA officers before, and I'd

1082
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: like to ask you this since you said you worked

1083
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: in doing intelligence, being a black dude in the Middle

1084
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: East working Afghanistan or Iraq, I don't know where you were, Like,

1085
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: how did that did that play in your favor? Did

1086
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: it play against you as far as your job and

1087
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: working with sources and things like that? My favorite of

1088
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 1: my favorite And I kind of touch on the funny

1089
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: break for that up because I be touched on that

1090
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: in my book. And I think you know a few reasons. One,

1091
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: most of the people that I dealt with in other countries,

1092
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, informants. I'm just going to use that terms

1093
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: for the sake of just keeping it clean. Um, they

1094
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: never saw a black guy do my job. So automatically,

1095
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: when I would walk into a room, it was just like, oh,

1096
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: this is cool. I've never seen this before, like all

1097
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: the guys I've met before. Then you know, white bearded guys,

1098
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, who is this cat

1099
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: um so, so, you know, just the uniqueness of me

1100
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: stepping into the room seeing something fresh help me. And

1101
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: then another thing that helped me tremendously was the fact

1102
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: that I felt like I could really identify with a

1103
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: lot of the lot of the informants that I work with.

1104
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is I grew up

1105
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: in the inner city. You know, I grew up in

1106
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: the streets, you know what I'm saying. And when you

1107
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: grow up in the places like the Bronx, Compton, South

1108
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: Side of Chicago, all of these places, there is a

1109
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: level of street knowledge that you gain that you can't

1110
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: gain anywhere else, right, And so just being having a

1111
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: background that I had it really helped me to really

1112
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: read people the way I had to read people. It

1113
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: really helped me to tell whether somebody was telling the truth,

1114
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: whether somebody wasn't. Like all of these different things and

1115
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: another thing that made me do, especially as a black man,

1116
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: like you know, there were a lot of things that

1117
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: I dealt with, you know that, you know, especially in

1118
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: the education system, which I also touched on the book.

1119
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: You know, just not receiving what what I should which

1120
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: should have received from educational standpoint because it's the inner city,

1121
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: or having certain things held back for me because I

1122
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: grew up in the inner city, you know what I mean.

1123
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: And so when I was dealing with a lot of

1124
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: these people, they had all these conflicts that they were

1125
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: dealing with for the most part. So and I don't

1126
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: know if this makes sense, I felt like I can

1127
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: identify sure that makes sense, you know what I'm saying.

1128
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: It was that it was that common ground. I'm an

1129
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: African American in America. I grew up in this inner city,

1130
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: in this environment. You are in this very hostile environment

1131
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: in this country, whatever country I want to say, the

1132
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: country is up been in, but you were in this

1133
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: very hostile environment. You you live in this very hostile

1134
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: environment and because I come from a hostile environment YouTube,

1135
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: I could I get a why with you. Yeah, I

1136
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: mean people people Iraqi, people in Missoul or Ramadhi or

1137
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: Fulujha wherever. I mean, they are on the streets hustling

1138
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: in a way that you know, for sure myself could

1139
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: not understand. I mean I've never lived that kind of life, no, absolutely,

1140
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: And so that that, I mean, that helped me tremendously.

1141
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: Another thing to help me big time that that I

1142
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: signed out, you know, and especially the country that I

1143
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: worked in, was how a lot of a lot of

1144
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: like Middle Easterners, and specifically in the countries I've worked in,

1145
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: they know all about like the Black Arts. Yes, what

1146
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean about that is they know about Adie Murphy.

1147
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: They know about like, uh, Martin Lawrence. They know like

1148
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: they watched these TV shows over there or DVDs like

1149
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: they like I remember doing me these days and uh.

1150
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: And the coolest thing about it was I learned how

1151
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: to use that. I learned how to you know, use

1152
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: that in a way to connect with them. I was like, Oh,

1153
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: these guys like Eddie Murphy, they watched they watch these

1154
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: TV shows, Martin Lawrence and stuff like that. I'm going

1155
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: to act like that to really build more commons round.

1156
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: And I would literally act like a black median sometimes

1157
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,959
Speaker 1: and I would and they couldn't understand anything I was saying.

1158
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: And just like they couldn't understand a lot of what

1159
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: they watched, but you know they're watching it with Arabic subtitles, right,

1160
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: so they were watching me would just laugh last. So

1161
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: I would come to the road up, what's up, cracking up,

1162
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: and they just be laughing. And I would go on

1163
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: with this thing for a while. Somebody would look out

1164
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: and be like, man, I don't know, that's stupid, why

1165
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: are you doing it? But in reality, dude, that is

1166
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: soften them so much that by the time it was

1167
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: time to talk business, they were just like, yeah, yeah,

1168
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: let's what's up. Because I had built this relationship through

1169
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: this common ground. You know, it's so awesome. We had

1170
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: an interpreter with us who was an American citizen, but

1171
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: he was from Sudan, and I initially I was like, man,

1172
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: how's this going to play out? Like I don't I

1173
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe I'm just like culturally unaway. This was

1174
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: an Iraq. But actually they loved him. They thought he

1175
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: was amazing, like he was this black dude with dreadlocks,

1176
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: like they were fascinating at him. They thought he was great,

1177
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: and they called him. His name was Corey. They called

1178
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: him Corey JABORI oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they loved him.

1179
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think not just

1180
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: the seal teams, but what do you think the special

1181
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: operations community can do a little bit better as far

1182
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: as you know, appealing to African Americans or other minority

1183
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: groups to get uh, you know, get these folks into

1184
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: our ranks. I think it's a few things. I think One,

1185
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: I think it starts with education. And I think it

1186
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: starts with education not at just at the senior year

1187
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: of high school. I think it starts to you know,

1188
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: educ EXPO might say education also made exposure um at

1189
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: an elementary school level, like you know, help kids and

1190
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: then allowed kids in the city to know that this exists.

1191
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: Like maybe you know when I was when I did,

1192
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: like I think it was like six months or not

1193
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: even his months, like three months helping out with the

1194
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: recruiting department and its w recruiting department and notices. We

1195
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: would always go to suburban areas. We would go to

1196
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: the beach. We would we would do these big events

1197
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: at like Huntington's Beach on the beach with all of

1198
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: these lifeguards, right, all these these lifeguard trainees, These kids

1199
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: who going to be lifeguards are like thirteen, fourteen, eleven

1200
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: years old and they're training to swim and stuff like that.

1201
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: And the reason why they would target it was because

1202
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: they're swimming background. And I was like, Yeah, that's awesome,

1203
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: but what about going to the art what about going

1204
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: to like, you know, these other areas and exposing these kids.

1205
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah they may not have a swimming background, but what

1206
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: if we what if we bring them to a pool?

1207
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: You know? So I think stuff like that. I also

1208
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: think um um education as far as I blame it

1209
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: on the schools too, you know. And the reason why

1210
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: I say that because I go to any time I

1211
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: get invited to school, go over the time to speak.

1212
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: But nine percent of the schools like get invited to

1213
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: come speaking are suburban schools. Right as far as inner

1214
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: city schools, it is extremely hard for me to get

1215
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: into an inner city school. I don't know, literally, I

1216
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: was in the Bronx last week too, wasn't last week?

1217
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: Schools wouln't let me come in my high school wouldn't

1218
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: let me come in like that, Like the news came

1219
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: into the story on me and we had to stay

1220
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: outside of the high school. They wouldn't allow us. That

1221
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: you can't come in. And that's not the first time

1222
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: that happened. I went to deal with I went to

1223
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: deal with Clay High School two years ago after the Transformers.

1224
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: You know, I was like, hey, you know, Paramount was

1225
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: trying to set up a thing for me to go

1226
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: speak to all the students, to share my story and

1227
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: share had a good ride. No, you can't come into

1228
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: the school. And I find that with so many inner

1229
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: city school there are these restrictions that keep people from

1230
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: coming in. Now whose fault that is, I don't know,

1231
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: but that needs to change. So, you know, I don't

1232
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: know if it's the fault of the board or whatever,

1233
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: but if again, if kids are not being exposed to it,

1234
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: they and they don't know about it, you know, and

1235
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: then you know, another thing, another fix is again I

1236
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: keep going back to education, but education in general. I

1237
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: have a buddy of mine, he's a recruiter in Philadelphia

1238
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: in the bud and he calls me up and he

1239
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: tells me, remy, like I can't get none of these

1240
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: kids in the Navy or the army. I say, why,

1241
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: he said, because none of them could pass the ADS

1242
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: that test. None of them can pass the basic ADS

1243
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: that test. And I go to the school and I

1244
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: see what they're learning and how they're being taught, and

1245
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: the books they have and the resources are lacking, Like

1246
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: that's why they can't read at a senior high school level.

1247
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: And so the education system really needs to be ramped up,

1248
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: revamped across the country within inner cities. And so because

1249
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: if you can't, if you if you could just pass

1250
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: the AS that test, that's not enough to go soft.

1251
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: You know that in order to go soft, you gotta

1252
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: have really high AS that scores. So so yeah, man,

1253
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't I think that that's that thing? And then

1254
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: what I did? You know, one of the reasons why

1255
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: I write a book, wrote the book, this is one

1256
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: of the main reasons why I wrote the book was

1257
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: you know a lot of a lot of white seals

1258
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: of written books. You know what I'm saying, and no drama,

1259
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: no spat on my back, And I know that there's

1260
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: there's there's beefoot dudes who write books and and and

1261
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: that's why for a long time, I didn't want to

1262
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: write a book. Like it took years for me to

1263
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: finally come in terms of what writing a book. And

1264
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: I just knew that if I wrote a book, it

1265
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be strictly it wasn't gonna be a Navy

1266
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 1: Seal book in the essence of what a Navy seal

1267
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: book is. Not knocking any Navy seal book. It's gonna

1268
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: be a journey book, and it's gonna be a book

1269
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: where a kid from the inner city can pick up

1270
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: read and be like wow, like this dude came from

1271
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: where I came from and he became a seal. I

1272
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: could become with you. And that kind of goes to

1273
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: the exposure thing. I wanted to expose kids to who

1274
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: come from my world to my new world so that

1275
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: they can see it and have hope that they can

1276
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: do it. If that makes sense. Yeah, and what what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, I mean, we've touched on it before. It

1278
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: definitely is an issue in the Special Operations community of

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01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: it looking like a monolithic you know, at least just

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01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: visually I think it is. But I mean, Dennis and

1281
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: I will get Remy's picks from the Navy before we

1282
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: started this, and I think it's a picture of your

1283
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: buds class and it is literally all white face, and

1284
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: then you yeah, yeah, and that's the way it is

1285
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: every class. I mean, well, well, let me be afraid

1286
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Speaker 1: that that's the way it is some classes. Most classes,

1287
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: it's all white. Like like literally you probably get maybe one,

1288
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: if you're lucky, to black graduates a year, and we're

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Speaker 1: talking five graduating classes of a year. I think another

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Speaker 1: part of it might be, Um, you know, you're you're

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Speaker 1: a New Yorker, so you know about this. There has

1292
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: been a history of more white firefighters and I've read

1293
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: I've read articles about that, and it has to do

1294
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: with like the legacy thing of this guy's father is

1295
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: a firefighter and his father was a firefighter, and they

1296
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: learned about it, you know, earlier on We've had guys

1297
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Speaker 1: on the show before, like frewman Terius, who's Navy seal.

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01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: His father is a name, he's a third generation his

1299
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: grandfather was a Navy seal, and and you know that

1300
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: holding onto that legacy thing, it's it's hard to you know,

1301
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: get into new communities and get new faces in the program.

1302
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: And as you said, like there's certain things that are

1303
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: advantageous to not looking like everybody else. Yeah, let me

1304
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: ask you a question. When you say that, do you

1305
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: mean like that is you put the burden on the

1306
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: community or you put the like I just want to

1307
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,919
Speaker 1: I just want I could tackle tackle. So you're saying

1308
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: that the legacy thing is because it's the father who

1309
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: teaches the son and that's why the son becomes a seal.

1310
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: Or is it because are you saying that because the

1311
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: father was a seal, he's able to, you know, do

1312
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Speaker 1: some work within the seal teams to make sure his

1313
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: son gets into the seal team. I would say that

1314
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: from the firefighters standpoint. I would say that makes sense.

1315
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: From a firefarers standpoint, Oh, like dad was a firefighter.

1316
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: Hey man, you know, go speak to work in this

1317
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: department to give me in it. I think in the

1318
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: firefire department, but it teams. I think it's different because

1319
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: I would think it's that. I would think it's a

1320
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: combination of both. But you know, I'm the guy here

1321
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: who hasn't served, so I wouldn't know about that thing.

1322
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: But you you even think of like legacy political families?

1323
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: Why are there so many Kennedy's and government and Clinton's

1324
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, because people can pull some strings and guessing

1325
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: what you're saying is with the Seals, it's not exactly.

1326
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they still have to pass buds regardless,

1327
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: but you know, it's more like you know, you're you

1328
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: have like like you were saying, Remy, like there's that

1329
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: educational process because they know all about the Seals because

1330
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: their dad was in the Navy. Yeah. No, I agree that,

1331
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: And that's why I was getting like, like, I agree

1332
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: with you. It's an education thing more so for a legacy.

1333
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: But as far as when you go to bud, they

1334
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: don't matter who you are. I haven't seen dudes and

1335
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: buds who dads. We were with Seals and they got

1336
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: dropped as fast as I say performers dropping not performing,

1337
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, and that's what you know.

1338
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: People ask I had a question last night, man, hey,

1339
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: d are the Seal Coms racist? Like do they do

1340
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: they treat like black dudes different like or anything like that?

1341
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: And honestly, then, like I'll just speaking. I can speak

1342
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: from experience because I've been here and I've done that.

1343
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so in any way, you know, because

1344
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: the way the way the teams have been from my

1345
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: experience is I don't care whether you're white, black, whatever.

1346
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: Can you do your job? Like? Can you do your job? Like?

1347
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: Can you operate? You know what I'm saying. Like, And

1348
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: that's what I had experienced throughout my entire career. First,

1349
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: when you get the bucks, can you make it? I

1350
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: don't care if you black, white, Spanish, whatever. Can you

1351
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: hold your weight on your lock? And that's the way

1352
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: I was, dude, Dude, I kicked the bunches. I was

1353
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: a savage, and but I was I would make guys

1354
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: quit like instructors would make guys quit, you know what

1355
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean? Because I wanted you to perform. It's either

1356
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: you can perform and you couldnot. And that's one thing

1357
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: I always loved about the Seal teams. At the end

1358
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: of the day, that's what it boils down to. Can

1359
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: you perform and can you not perform? That's it. So

1360
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: post military career, you got into acting and got a

1361
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: smaller role in the Transform Rich movie, and now you

1362
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: have another role in a in a future Michael Bay movie.

1363
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: I want to hear about how that all happened. Yeah, So,

1364
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: like literally I was minding my own business, dude, I

1365
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to like get into acting, people asked, and

1366
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't try and get a kind

1367
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: of came knocking on my door. I was in grad

1368
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: school writing papers, um um, and my phone rate literally

1369
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: and this woman was on the line and she was

1370
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: just like, hey, I welcome Michael Day, like he's looking

1371
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: for some money. With your background with the former Seal,

1372
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: African Americans, do like you know Day on set? You

1373
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: know we we we want to make sure that it's

1374
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: a diverse set. And I was like, yeah, cool, and

1375
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: she said send her pictures. I send her pictures. Next

1376
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: day I'm on set and that was just supposed to

1377
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: be one day. But then she hits me up two

1378
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: weeks later. Hey, they like your direction and that's way

1379
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: you could take direction. Can you come back for three weeks?

1380
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: I said sure. Then I got bumped to a principal

1381
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: role and I stayed on until the film rep. And

1382
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: then that's how I got into it. Like literally, I

1383
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: was not trying to be an actor, and that's what

1384
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: opened up the doors for all this stuff that just

1385
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: based second second from my just finished with. But I've

1386
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: done a bunch of TV work, commercial work. It's an

1387
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: endorsement deal with Jockey and and it all came from

1388
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: that one ende. That's super cool. I mean, is is

1389
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: that something you? I take it? You intend to pursue

1390
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: and continued an acting career. You know, I'm not I

1391
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: want to say pursue. No, I'm a writer. You know.

1392
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: My thing is, I'm a writer. Um. I was actually, Uh,

1393
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: I wrote my book by myself and then have a

1394
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: ghost right out there. I have a co writer. I

1395
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: sat and put tend to paper because I have a

1396
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: background of writing and uh, and then that that kind

1397
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: of gave me the confidence to write films. So I

1398
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: actually was at a meeting I guess it was a

1399
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: major studio here in Hollywood. They're interested in in some

1400
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: in a film that I wrote. And so so I'm

1401
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: a writer. Uh. If somebody comes knocking on my doors

1402
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: and they we want to pay you X amount of

1403
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: dollars to act in the film. But but my thing is,

1404
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: I like the I like the concept of creating content.

1405
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: You know, I like creating. I love telling stories and

1406
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: so um, you know that's that's what I'm really pursuing now,

1407
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, writing film producing films. Um, I might sign

1408
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: a deal with this big studio and will I'll be

1409
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: able to just produce and works under the banner and

1410
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: everything goes well and uh and so yeah, man, that's

1411
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: that's that's when I'm at there. It's awesome. Remy, let

1412
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: me lee just ask you. You were the fifteen year

1413
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 1: old kid uh inflatuated with the Navy seals and you

1414
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: know you went on and you became one served there

1415
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 1: for what did you say, like thirteen years? Fifteen years,

1416
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: thirteen years in the Navy? What was it everything you

1417
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: hoped for? Absolutely? Absolutely know it was it was I

1418
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: mean for me, it was that it was, um, it

1419
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: was everything, man, and and you know it's it helped

1420
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: me become a man, dude. You know so because especially

1421
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: not having a father, um, you know, and trying to

1422
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: figure out what it means to be a man and

1423
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like integrity and you know, all

1424
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: of these principles that you get in the Navy and

1425
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: then you get even more in the seal teams. You know,

1426
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: it was everything and more, dude, like the best job

1427
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: I've had. You know, it's set me up for my future.

1428
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: It helped me get my education, you know what I mean? Like,

1429
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: so yeah, absolutely you said you were writing papers in

1430
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: grad school. You're getting your degree. I finished, So I finished.

1431
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: I got my master's back in Uh. I want to

1432
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: say seventeen, I graduated that my masters an organizational strategy.

1433
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: You're a badass, dude, Remy, I'm not afraid to say. Uh. Man,

1434
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: I just you know, my thing is do when I

1435
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,480
Speaker 1: leave this world, I want to know that I've exhausted

1436
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 1: every part of this freaking shell called my body. You

1437
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's just how I try

1438
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: to live my life. You know what I mean. Every

1439
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: day is a blessing, and you know, I just I

1440
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: just want to I just want to push it to

1441
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 1: the max and see what I could do and be

1442
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: open to to to other opportunities, you know, the other

1443
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: unexpected opportunities. I never want to look back on my

1444
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: life and say, dude, you did You didn't take that

1445
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: day and crush it. You didn't take that day and

1446
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: give it absolutely everything. You know. My thing and this

1447
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 1: is something I get from being a soft man's excellence.

1448
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: You know, you know there's a standard where you could

1449
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: just check the box and go about your business, or

1450
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: there's excellence where you can push past the standard to

1451
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: really you know, accomplish your goal or your dream, and

1452
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 1: my thing is every day I'm trying to smash the

1453
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: standard and just strive excellence. Well said Man. The book

1454
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: is once again transformed in Navy seals unlikely journey from

1455
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: the throne of Africa to the streets of the Bronx

1456
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: to find all odds pick it up. It's getting high

1457
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: praise from not only friends of the show like Scott McEwen,

1458
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 1: but I saw Kathie Lee Gifford and that's a pretty

1459
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: big endorsement there, like a legend in the broadcasting world. UM.

1460
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you something completely off topic of

1461
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: your book, just because it's in the news. Anytime we've

1462
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: had a Navy Seal on I like to at least

1463
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: get their opinion because it's in their wheelhouse. Um, as

1464
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: you probably saw over the weekend, Trump is hinting at

1465
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 1: a possible pardon of not only several people accused of

1466
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: war crimes, but Chief Eddie Gallagher. I just wanted to

1467
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: hear your take, whatever it is, on that whole situation. Uh,

1468
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: you know what, here's how I'll frame it. You know,

1469
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give my opinion on it. I'm just

1470
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: gonna say. Here's how he's Here's what I'll say. First

1471
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: things First, you know what I mean. I'm a human

1472
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: before I'm absolutely anything. You know what I mean. And um,

1473
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: I was in buzz with Eddie. You know what I'm saying.

1474
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: So I got mad love for Eddie. I got mad

1475
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: love to Eddie. I got love for his family, you

1476
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I know he's a seal,

1477
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm a seal. You know what I'm saying. What I

1478
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: will say is that if what he did is true,

1479
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: and I don't know, so I'm not saying I know

1480
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: because you know what I mean. My thing is, you

1481
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: can't just do crazy stuff, you know what I'm saying.

1482
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: That's my thing. There consequences of actions if what he said,

1483
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: if what if? What if the allegations against him are true?

1484
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: And I don't care, And you know I'm sorry. I'm

1485
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm a New York cat. I'm a straight cat. You

1486
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna mix words. You

1487
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, and people can come

1488
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: after me and say whatever they want to say, But

1489
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, when you look at the reality of it,

1490
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 1: if you're doing stuff that you shouldn't be doing. You

1491
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: need to read the consequences for it. Now, I don't

1492
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: know if it's true because I wasn't there. And then

1493
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: then there's another piece to the whole thing. In the

1494
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: whole the other piece of the whole thing is and

1495
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I hope it's not true, you know what

1496
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And and so and another piece of this

1497
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: thing is there are other seals, is what they're saying

1498
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 1: A lot, you know what I mean. I think that

1499
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: this is a very complex situation, um because you got

1500
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: Steal saying he did X, Y and Z, you know

1501
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: what I mean, And then you got his side of

1502
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: him saying he didn't do X, Y and Z. So

1503
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not siding with anybody, but what I

1504
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: am saying, if that's true, you pay the man. If

1505
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: it's not true, then those who are bringing them at

1506
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: the accusations against him, they need to pay the man.

1507
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 1: And my thing is, if it's not true, you know

1508
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: what do you need a pardon for? You know what

1509
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you didn't do anything wrong. And so my

1510
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: thing is, if you didn't do anything wrong, go fight

1511
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: the case. You know what I mean? Go fight the case.

1512
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: And so that's my thing. Again, I'm not looking at it.

1513
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not political at all, pally I'm

1514
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: an independent. I don't. I'm not a Democrat, I'm not

1515
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: a Republican, and I'm and I'm not for a reason

1516
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: because I don't like to be that's just over the years,

1517
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, I had political affiliations over the years, you know,

1518
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: years ago, the Democratic, Republican, bouncing back and forth. But

1519
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: I'm independent. I chose that because I'd like to look

1520
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: at the overall situation and then make a determination based

1521
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: off of the overall situation. I don't like to be well,

1522
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: this side says this, or this means this, or this

1523
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: side says that. So this means that I'd like to

1524
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: look at the whole other thing, you know what I mean.

1525
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: And so the whole of this thing that I'm looking

1526
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: at is it is what it is. If I don't

1527
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: care who you are, if you do something wrong, you

1528
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta pay the man for it. If you

1529
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: didn't do something wrong and you're getting accused of doing

1530
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: something wrong, and then if the persons accusing you need

1531
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: to pay the man for it. You know what I'm

1532
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: saying because at the end of the day, a human

1533
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: is a human, you know what I mean. You can't

1534
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: just you just can't go around doing crazy stuff, you

1535
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I hope it's not true.

1536
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: You know, Like I said, I've been out of it.

1537
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: I've been out of the community for a long period

1538
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: of time, so you know, I don't I don't know.

1539
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: I didn't read the Intel reports. I haven't been there.

1540
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's

1541
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: happening on the ground, ground, ground level. But you know, yeah,

1542
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, everybody needs to do

1543
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: the right thing, period. Thanks for playing that honest right man,

1544
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, for what it's worth. I tend to agree

1545
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: with you. And you know, I hope the truth and

1546
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: the facts of the case come out, and you know, hopeful,

1547
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: hopefully it is all false. Hopefully it is all nonsense.

1548
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: I would I don't want to believe this is true

1549
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: about you know, a seal or any American troop. You know, yeah, no, absolutely,

1550
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: And again I just hate when people are like, well,

1551
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: because you used to say this because of where you

1552
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: come from, or or because of your affiliation, like you

1553
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: have to say this, you have to say, you know,

1554
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: screw to these people for whatever. They shouldn't be supporting

1555
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: this personally. They should be supporting this person blah blah,

1556
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Like I'm not you know, that's that's

1557
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: not my thing. So you know what I mean. I

1558
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 1: know cats might be hot to me for saying what

1559
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But at the end of the day, you

1560
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean, You've got to look at the

1561
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: situation as a whole, take a step back and say,

1562
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, let's look at the facts and take it

1563
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: from there. And again I'll reiterate, I'll reiterate, like I'm

1564
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you what I would do.

1565
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna speak on his situation because I

1566
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: get it. I've got like in the book straight up,

1567
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm kind of People ask me all the time, Rendy,

1568
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: you're not scared you're gonna go to federal present for

1569
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: the stuff you did back in the day that you

1570
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: talk about in your book. And what I said to

1571
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: them is I put I knew that I can get

1572
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: I could potentially get in trouble for the stuff I did.

1573
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, I know that the

1574
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 1: potential is there. But I made a conscious decision to

1575
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,440
Speaker 1: do it because I wanted the title the book is Transformed,

1576
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: and I wanted people to see the runess of who

1577
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: I was so they can see that, yeah, I made mistakes,

1578
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 1: but I still have potential. And not only that I

1579
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: make mistakes. I sassed up to my mistakes, and I'm

1580
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: telling you this is what I did. You understand what

1581
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so if something, if somebody comes out

1582
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: to me for anything, I'm gonna be like, yeah, I

1583
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: didn't I told you I did it. And if somebody says, hey, man,

1584
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: we don't give you a partner, like, let's go do

1585
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 1: the case, you know, like like and again, I don't

1586
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: understand the whole part of things. So the way I'm

1587
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: interpreting it is the pardon is is essentially saying that

1588
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna just drop the whole case together. Is that

1589
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: the case is? That? Is that the way if he

1590
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: got a presidential pardon I believe, yeah, prior to going

1591
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: the trial. Yeah, okay, so this is probably that they're

1592
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: saying that the case is not even this is not okay.

1593
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: He's been having following he's been prosecuted and now after

1594
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: he's been prosecuted. Now he's gonna be um pardoned. This

1595
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 1: is not that right. This is he's not even finished

1596
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: the case yet. They're just shutting the case down and

1597
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: saying go free. Right. Yeah, I I believe so because

1598
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 1: the fellow Seal Dan Crunshaw made the statement today that

1599
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: he thinks this needs to go to trial prior to

1600
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: having any pardon. And that's what I'm saying. That's where

1601
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm met. If you, if you're innocent, go do the case. Man,

1602
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: go do the case. Don't do the part of thing.

1603
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: Go do the case. Exonerate yourself exonerally. It's justself. Like

1604
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: I said, the reason why I referent my book is

1605
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: because I laid it out. You know what I'm saying, like,

1606
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: this is what I did. I'm I'm fressed up to it.

1607
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: I did it. I don't agree with it. I don't

1608
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: like it. Looking back. It was dumb, it was stupid.

1609
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: I should have never did it, you know what I'm

1610
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: sayin it made me who I am today. But I'm

1611
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: taking responsibilit now. If I didn't do it, Like if

1612
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: I didn't do that stuff, I'm like, let's go to court.

1613
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: Let's go to court. I didn't do it. They's proved

1614
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: me wrong, proved me, proved me right along, you know

1615
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, I think what we're in the

1616
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: same camp as you. And I was interested in hearing

1617
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: your take because just talking to Seals on the show,

1618
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: everyone from Jake's Wig to Kristen back to Rob O'Neil,

1619
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: they actually the three of them were pretty much in

1620
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: support of him, no matter what I would say. I mean,

1621
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: you go listen back to the interviews, and that was

1622
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: kind of their take. But then I hear the take

1623
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: of you, the take of Dan Crenshaw, and I think

1624
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: it echoes what we what we said that you'll hear

1625
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: at the intro of the show that what we need

1626
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: the facts to come out before there's a part. And

1627
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: I'd never tend to agree with you listen, and you know,

1628
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't be careful how we use the word support.

1629
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: I support the cat. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1630
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm not like yo, screw him. See, And this is

1631
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about brotherhood, you know what I mean,

1632
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: Because people throw that thing around all the time. Brother

1633
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: her brother, her brother, her brotherhood, and I'm not and

1634
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm not associating this to at it at all. I'm

1635
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: associating this in the period period. If you're really my

1636
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: brother and I really care about you, if you're doing

1637
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: something wrong, I'm gonna pull your coat. Because I care

1638
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: about you, I'm gonna try and deal with it. If

1639
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm not your brother, I'm going to just let it

1640
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: keep riding and let it escalate and get worse and

1641
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: get worse. So when we talk about support, you can't sit.

1642
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: And again, I'm not associating as to Eddie, So I

1643
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: don't want people to say support goes two ways. Man.

1644
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: Support is Yo, you did the wrong thing. I'm gonna

1645
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: say you did the wrong thing. But I'm still here

1646
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: with you. How can we get through this together. I'm

1647
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: still visiting you. Let me break this down anymore. Dude

1648
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: likes to hustle with self drugs to If he's sitting

1649
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: in prison right now, I should be in prison with

1650
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: him because I was doing stuff with him. I love him,

1651
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: I support him, I call him, I put money on

1652
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: his books, I talked to him. I'm trying to sag

1653
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: him up when you get out of prison. But that

1654
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: doesn't mean i'm gonna say, yo, bro, you didn't do

1655
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: it when it's clear that you did it. He did it,

1656
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like he did it, he

1657
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: knows he did. His video cameras of them doing when

1658
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: he did, they got him in prison. So for me

1659
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: to try and talked him on the phone and be

1660
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: like yo, man, like you didn't really do it, I

1661
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: can do I can't believe they're doing this to you.

1662
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. This is jacked up. I'm

1663
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: making this cat delusional, you know what I'm saying, because

1664
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: now you're sitting there like man, yeah, like I probably

1665
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 1: didn't do it. Why they're doing this to me? This

1666
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,560
Speaker 1: is jacked up. And Remy's even saying that you know,

1667
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm innocent, this and that not and this. You know,

1668
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: I need to I need this fight, I need to

1669
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 1: do this. I need to do that when in reality

1670
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: is video tape dude of what you did. So me

1671
01:20:55,160 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: supported you. Ain't me saying you didn't do it, you

1672
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like like like we're boys, so

1673
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: because we're boys, I'm gonna be on your side and

1674
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: say we didn't you didn't do it. No, we supporting

1675
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: you is like yeah, I'm here for you. Bro, you

1676
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: know what you did. The court knows what you did,

1677
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: the jury knows what you did, the video camera knows

1678
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,560
Speaker 1: what you did. And it sucks that you're sitting in

1679
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: the box for what you need. When you call me,

1680
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your phone call. When your kids need,

1681
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: when your kids need food, when your kids need money,

1682
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: or the kids need help out with something. I'm sending

1683
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: the money, I'm taking care of. I'm taking care of

1684
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: what needs to be saying. I'm sending you books. I'm

1685
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 1: here when you get out so I can help you

1686
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: get on your seat. That support that's brotherhood cans be

1687
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: twisting up. And it can't be twisting up this whole

1688
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: brother thing. And you know what, it's the same kind

1689
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: of stuff that happens in the streets and people talk

1690
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 1: all that. Bro, Yo, come here, kids on the corner

1691
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: selling drugs and another cash like yo, the kid who

1692
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: selling drugs tells another kid, be my lookout, be my lookout.

1693
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: We brothers be my lookout, you know what I mean.

1694
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: And then the lookout as up sitting in the box

1695
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: because because the lookout gets caught or something happens. And

1696
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: now the dude like, but I don't know man. Again,

1697
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: main point, I know it might not be making sense

1698
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm going on in tangible, but again, brotherhood is it

1699
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: goes two ways. It's not just yeah. I mean, well

1700
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: there's a there's a point where if we're not careful,

1701
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: a brotherhood becomes like a mafia or something like that.

1702
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that's that's Yeah, that's that would

1703
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: be a great way of putting there. Yeah, that'd be

1704
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: a great way to put it. You know, another person

1705
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: another thing too for me. Then I'm a person of faith, man,

1706
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm a Christian man. You know what I'm saying. Like,

1707
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: I'm a person of faith. You know what I mean.

1708
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: And and going back to the whole human peace. You

1709
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like you read with you,

1710
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: so you read with you so man, and you know

1711
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: you you I'm not associating this to anybody, and not

1712
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: say associating, just reality, you know what I mean. And

1713
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like even if if you

1714
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: do something wrong, there's you're gonna pay them. You're gonna

1715
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: pay the man for it. You know, the Lord's watching.

1716
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So I don't I'll be blood,

1717
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:21,839
Speaker 1: blood and blaze right here. I don't I think that Trump.

1718
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: Let the case ride, Let it go to court. The

1719
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: man is innocent, which I hope he's innocent. Again that support.

1720
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: I hope he's innocent. Then let the court deal with it.

1721
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: The man is guilty, and all the evidence points to

1722
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: the man is guilty. Wrong is wrong. I don't care

1723
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: if you were trying it. I don't care if you

1724
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 1: were jump wings. I don't care who you are. And

1725
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: that's something that pisses me off about this case. Man

1726
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: like you, just because you wear a bird don't make

1727
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: you freaking superman when you could do whatever you want

1728
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 1: to do. So I hope the man is innocent. I

1729
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: hope for himself. I hope for his family. He got

1730
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: a wife and kids, you know what I'm saying. He

1731
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 1: got he got responsibility for the people overseas. I hope

1732
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: for the tried it, for the for the community, for

1733
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: the seal teams, everything. I hope the man is innocent.

1734
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: But if he ain't, Yeah, now I think you're you're

1735
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: right on. Uh. The last thing I wanted to bring

1736
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: up before we wrap this up, and this has been

1737
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: a great interview. Uh, you also have your own nonprofit

1738
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: City Hope. Now City Hope now dot org. Do you

1739
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: just want to tell the people what you're doing with that? Yeah, man,

1740
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: so City Hope is, uh city Hope now dot org is?

1741
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 1: You know, we It's just a way to get back,

1742
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: you know. UM, I grew up in an inner city.

1743
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: I grew without a father, and so I have you know,

1744
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: I live in southern California and the inner cities in

1745
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: southern California. And so what we do is three things.

1746
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: We deal with human trafficking UM. We deal with domestic

1747
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: violence UM victims. We put them in apartments of their

1748
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: husbands or boy friends or whoever are abusing them and

1749
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: they need to get away because they feel like their

1750
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: life is right. And we put them in apartment so

1751
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 1: that they could have a place to stay for a

1752
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: few days until they can get themselves on their feet.

1753
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 1: Could be more than a few days. And another thing

1754
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 1: we do is we do mentorship. So I have kids

1755
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: who are literally like my kids, you know, not like

1756
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, blood, But I spend time with them. I

1757
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: go to their schools. When they get in trouble, I

1758
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: talked to the teachers. I tell the teachers give them

1759
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: another chance. I sit them down. I can't spank them,

1760
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: So I don't spank them, but you know, I just

1761
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 1: I just try to be a father figure to know,

1762
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 1: I try to gut them down the right path so

1763
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: they don't make the same decisions that I make, you

1764
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And uh, And we also have

1765
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: out with food drives, you know, during the during the breaks.

1766
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 1: You know, some of these kids they don't have they

1767
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: don't have they don't have food for lunch, you know.

1768
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 1: So what we try to do is we try to

1769
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 1: provide food for them that could last for if they

1770
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: don't break for two weeks a week, so that they

1771
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: have food for lunch um as well. So there's a

1772
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 1: lot of things we do. I do talks and with

1773
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 1: me um. Yeah. We also provide financially for him and

1774
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: situations if they need, like like of the kids want

1775
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: to go to college but they can't afford you know,

1776
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: their their their college application fees or you know, stuff

1777
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: like that. We come alongside and help them. So it's

1778
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: just essentially being to them what I wish I had

1779
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 1: when I was the age. That makes sense, No, that's

1780
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I mean I just want to say thank

1781
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: you so much for sharing your story with us today.

1782
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: And I hope that people will go out and you know,

1783
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: read your book and listen to this was just it's

1784
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: an awesome story. And I really appreciate you coming on

1785
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: here and laying some real talk on us today. I

1786
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I'm sorry. But one when that came, no, no,

1787
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: not at all. What I mean, you know, if it

1788
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, you know, I mean I just sometimes

1789
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: when I'm passion about stuff or you know, I'm trying

1790
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: to get things out of you could not No, man, No,

1791
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. Yeah, I think what

1792
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: you said did make sense. And also, to be honest,

1793
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: some of the people I've had on I don't really

1794
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: want to end of this issue too much. They just

1795
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: want to say I support Eddie, you know, and and

1796
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 1: they would agree with and I I get that. I

1797
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: just you know, when I saw, for example, Pete Hegseeth

1798
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: tweeting out and we talked about it or earlier in

1799
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: the show before we brought you on, just saying that

1800
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: Trump is a true war fighters president. To just throw

1801
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: out a pardon, I don't know. I think there needs

1802
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: to be people expand on that a little bit more,

1803
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: as you did. Um. The book once again is Transformers

1804
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,560
Speaker 1: the uh sorry, the book once again is transformed and

1805
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: Navy seals unlikely journey from the throne of Africa to

1806
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: the streets of the Bronx, defying all odds. Remy is

1807
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 1: at Remy ad on Twitter and Instagram, which is at

1808
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: r E M I A D E L e K

1809
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,560
Speaker 1: E once again City Hope Now dot org. Check it

1810
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: out and we appreciate you coming on that one really well. Uh.

1811
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: And I was actually glad that he expanded upon his

1812
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: feelings on that because I like to get other guys

1813
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,560
Speaker 1: takes and I was totally on aware that he was

1814
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: in buds with Eddie Gallagher and then he knew the guy. Yeah,

1815
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean that was I mean, I think he laid

1816
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: on a lot of real talk and I think that, uh,

1817
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: he's right. I mean, there has to be like some

1818
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: self reflection. We have to look in the mirror, you know,

1819
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: ask ourselves about what's right and what's wrong. And and

1820
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: I agree with him, you know, hope hopefully Eddie Gallghert

1821
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: turns out to be innocent like that would make that

1822
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: would make my day because I'm like I've worked on

1823
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: a lot of these stories about bad things in the

1824
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 1: military and uh, it gets to you after a while.

1825
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,719
Speaker 1: It's depressing. And if he was innocent, people are gonna

1826
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: go see Jack, even though that's not at all what

1827
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: you've been saying. Well, the other thing too, I just

1828
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: wanted to mention because the first half of this podcast,

1829
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: when we talked about the case and we talked about

1830
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 1: Ashley Massarow, this is like some really dark stuff with

1831
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: the military, right, But you have to contrast that with

1832
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: Remy's story and everything Remy was telling us about, you know,

1833
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 1: this incredible journey, this transformation he had, and that the

1834
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: military provided him with this amazing opportunity and he went

1835
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 1: on and did all these great things for our country.

1836
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: So gave him a total second chance to like yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1837
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: And so like I'm saying this almost on a personal

1838
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: level for myself because I end up dealing with some

1839
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: of these really dark subjects, um, things that that happened

1840
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 1: in the military that shouldn't have happened. Like you always

1841
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: have to take that and then remember all of the

1842
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: amazing people that you've met throughout the years in the military.

1843
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: And you know, the army or the military in general

1844
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: is a huge institution. Um, there are tons and tons

1845
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 1: of people in there. Some of them are bad people

1846
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: and you have to say what it is, what it is,

1847
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are great people. Yeah, so

1848
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: we just have to keep we have to keep all

1849
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: this in mind. I would agree that there was one

1850
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to say about this case that

1851
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: I forgot to bring up at the beginning because you

1852
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: tweeted out what Dan Crnshaw said and I was looking

1853
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: at some of the responses and one of one of

1854
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 1: the guys said something that I've heard other people say

1855
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to refute it. I don't remember

1856
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: who it was on Twitter, but they said, My problem

1857
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: is that the media is calling this man a war

1858
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: criminal before it goes to trial. Now, I don't know

1859
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: about you. I have not seen any article call him

1860
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: Eddie Gallagher war criminal. They will say he's accused of

1861
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 1: war crimes, and they they're purposely, even even if they

1862
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: are a slanted news outlet, they're not going to say

1863
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: that because they know that if he goes to trial

1864
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: and he's innocent, they could be sued for a lot

1865
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: of money. No, No, it's it's slanderous. No valid yeah, no,

1866
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: valid media sources gonna put their credibility on the line

1867
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: and call him war criminal. Even you know, when they

1868
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: mentioned O. J. Simpson, they say that he was on

1869
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: trial for murder, he was found in inappropriate and are

1870
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: responsible to say that, um, if not illegal. Yeah, So

1871
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't know where this guy is getting it. Yeah,

1872
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 1: there's I'm sure there's people on Twitter calling him a

1873
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 1: war criminal. There's people on Twitter say lots of things.

1874
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: But when people say when people say the media, I mean,

1875
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Nowadays? We are the media because

1876
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: you could film something put it on Twitter. You remember

1877
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 1: when we had Carmen on and and Carmen was just laughing.

1878
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 1: He's like when people say the media, like, what the

1879
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: hell are they talking about? The media is like Seinfeld

1880
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: reruns like that's the media. I was gonna mentioned the

1881
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: same one thing because I think that is what he said. Yeah,

1882
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: but um yeah, and I guess you are a member

1883
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: of the media now. If you go out and you

1884
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: catch something on film and you put it on Twitter,

1885
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: it becomes news. Um, but there's no major news outlet.

1886
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to see it. If so flat out calling

1887
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: him a war criminal, I have not seen that, and

1888
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 1: I highly doubt it's anywhere because every news outlet needs

1889
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: to cover their s and they are not gonna put

1890
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: their credibility on the line and also put their money

1891
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 1: on the line getting sued by putting a false accusation

1892
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 1: out there. This could very likely go to trial and

1893
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: he could be found completely innocent. So um, we'll see

1894
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: great interview. I think we had a discussion on some

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Speaker 1: a final thought on a totally other subject. So uh.

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Speaker 1: If you go on the news rep dot com right now,

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Speaker 1: you will find my full article about Special Forces Detachment A.

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Speaker 1: It's like a three thousand, three hundred word article about

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Speaker 1: the Special Forces soldiers who were stationed in Berlin during

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Speaker 1: the Cold War and their primary mission was sabotage. In

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Speaker 1: We interviewed a member on this podcast, Bob Arrest. If

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Speaker 1: you go back in time, he was on here and

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Speaker 1: he was a while ago. Um I interviewed at least

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Speaker 1: two dozen members of Detachment A for in the course

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Speaker 1: of writing that article. There's a ton of information in there,

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Speaker 1: like stuff that I'll boggle your mind. It's awesome. UM.

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Speaker 1: And I I bring it up because I previously published

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Speaker 1: the redacted version of the article. UM. I had submitted

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Speaker 1: A that I interviewed, did that. UM. They sat on

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