WEBVTT - Draft Show: Adapting On The Fly 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:06.920 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:17.200 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. He's the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:22.120 dot Com Draft Show, your war room for insider news 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:30.200 and trapped analysis, Dallas Sex, Emma Smith running back from Florida. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.600 It's another Thursday edition of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.559 Draft Show, presented by Miller Liott. We are closing in 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:46.720 two weeks, fourteen days. The countdown sits just over a 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:51.520 couple of weeks away from the twenty twenty NFL Draft, 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.840 and we're bringing you all the coverage that you need 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.320 and trying to sit through exactly what this offseason looks 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.880 like for the Dallas Cowboys whenever it comes to the 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.240 virtuality of the NFL Draft. I've got Dave Hellman, Kevin 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.760 Turner back again. Jeff Cavanall is back with us as well. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.559 So love having Jeff back. Missed you last week. Of course, 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.840 Bucky Brooks filling in and doing a great job. But 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.280 Jeff is Captain Trade Down, still tooting this horn quite 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.360 a bit. Captain Trade Down Lives, Captain Trade Down Rise, 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.320 Captain Trade Down and going anywhere, not doing anywhere. Katie, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.119 are you you on that same train. Are we team 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.600 forty Burger still or what are we trying to figure out? 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.680 Down here? Tell me who's on the board and then 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.679 I'll let you know how I feel about it. I 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.720 really don't know. There's so many things in the middle 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.560 of the first round. There's so many things that can happen, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.480 good or bad, waiting on guys to fall to you. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.280 I'm as more flexible than I've ever been, and that's 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:45.720 all that's because I've been doing a lot of at 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.080 home yoga. Because I haven't I'll go to the gym. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.160 Nice you do you have a matt in like a 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.320 like a phone roller or are you just kind of 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.080 just doing it wherever? Oh? Yeah, I got a matt, 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.640 got the phone roller, got some dumbbells. Thanks, thanks for 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.160 going good Man, get a real tone. I feel like 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.360 Hellman could do some yoga and meditate a little bit. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.880 I try. I might be the least flexible person in 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.240 the entire world, so like yoga for me is just 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.880 like trying to touch my toes. But you gotta do 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.400 what you gotta do in these trade times, and I 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.720 saw you were tweeting about Grant Delpot a little bit ago. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.160 You had like kind of a mock pro day yesterday. 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.080 Is that kind of putting you up on Grant Delpot 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.679 at the safety position? Yet you're LSU Tiger honest. I 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.079 mean I expected him to kill his pro day, I know. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:34.679 I mean, he didn't get to have a real one, 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.480 but it's clear that the guy is a freak athlete. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.280 It doesn't change my opinion. Maybe it opened some people's eyes, 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.919 but yeah, I mean he's he's a freak. I knew 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:49.919 that would happen. I'm seventeen. Not so much just because 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.519 of the position, probably, but like you know, if Captain 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.560 trade down over there and wants to trade back to 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.200 like twenty four or twenty five and grab him, I'm 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.720 down with that. That's fine with me. Kavanaugh, Are you 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.720 a fan of delpat Yeah? I like Delpa I know 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.320 the whole world hates him now and says that he 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.959 can't tackle, and yeah, he's got tackling issues, But Grant 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.880 Delpha's going to be a really good NFL player. I 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.160 feel like you're kind of on that train early we went, 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.960 and I mean it, I think it's still something that 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.600 needs to be considered, but it's the it's the same 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.280 line of logic that I've had since the combine, which 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.640 is I just don't see the Cowboys front office valuing 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.120 the position enough to take him at seventeen. I guess 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.440 it's possible, but I'd be kind of surprised, but I do. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.040 I don't think you should forget the name. And yeah, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.800 I agree with Jeff like I think the narrative is 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.440 so far out of control on Delpa, Like he's a 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.440 good player and he does have some tackling issues, but 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.880 people act like the guy sucks. That's just not true. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.320 I would also say that the signing of Haha, Clinton 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.600 Dix makes safety a less pressing need than maybe it 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.360 was when we started talking about him. I'm not saying 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.720 ignore the position like they've done for years. I'm just 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.520 saying it's not like something I held. Oh my god, 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.720 look at the well now that you signed how Clinton Dix, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.120 him and Xavier Woods and then whatever else, you're running 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.320 back there like you need a safety, but you don't 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.160 need it like you need something else. So it's very 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.680 hard for me to justify taking delp it if I 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.800 don't have him graded higher than someone else that I 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.440 might need at seventeen. That being said, he's still my 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:28.240 highest ranked safety. I'm not as high on Xavier McKinney 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.680 as I think the rest of the world is. But again, 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:32.839 you know, a safety in the top twenty in this 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.400 draft seems a little rich overall in my estimation. What 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.480 I would ask is what do they need? Because it's like, oh, 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.040 you know, you don't need a safety because of haha 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.560 Clinton Dicks. Okay, well then, and I don't need a 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.000 one technique because of don Terry pol I don't need 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.800 a three technique because of Gerald McCoy. And maybe I 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.920 don't need a right defensive end because Randy Gregory will 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.320 get reinstated and Alton Smith and Tyron Crawford. I think, 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.640 I think they've done a good job of filling up 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.799 the row to where they could go play. The problem 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.960 is they haven't done a good enough job the last 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.599 few years of drafting and developing good players. So they 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.920 need everything, it's just not they need it tomorrow. So 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.400 that's I think that's why you just stick with who's 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.520 the best player, bailble, And when that best player bailble, 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.920 a seven team turns out that all three receivers are 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.440 gone and John Kenlog's gone and C. J. Henderson's gone, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.080 that's from captain trade down, hops in the saddle, and 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:29.000 we get the riding, baby, that's when we ride. And 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.000 I feel like we kind of talked about this a 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.839 little bit last week, and I would have loved to 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.800 hear Kavanaugh's captain trade doown moment a week ago as well. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.600 But with all of the moves that the Cowboys have 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.160 made this offseason, it's made it extremely easy for them 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.000 to look at potentially the best player available, whether it's 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.240 seventeen or potential trade down scenarios kind of what we've 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.440 been talking about over the course of the Draft show 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.560 this season. So I feel like they're kind of lining 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.640 themselves up with a little bit of a safety net 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.800 with those offseason additions. That way, whenever it comes to 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.159 draft time, you can add top notch talent for cheap 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.719 prices and try and move on from there. But talking 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:08.520 about the draft, specifically virtual draft coming up, and we 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.240 kind of expected this to happen now, the news kind 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.560 of rain down a little bit heavier before after last 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.520 week's show that the draft will be all virtual, it 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.160 will be conducted from the different homes. But now as 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.560 we've kind of gotten through a couple of days of 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.600 hearing about this virtual draft. We've now heard about some 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:33.240 of the concerns surrounding the network ability and the setting 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.640 up and the IT professionals being in homes. What are 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.520 some of the issues that you guys either see as 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:44.880 legitimate concerns moving forward with the virtual draft, or even 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.560 just kind of something that you might think could potentially arise. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.400 I think that the thing I look most forward to 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:57.080 is seeing which team has a complete melt down, like 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.839 grid goes down, somebody losing their WiFi and they moved 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:01.919 to action. Then we have to wait forty five minutes 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.800 for the Minnesota Ikes to make a pick something like that. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.760 So that's gonna be awesome. And I also wonder, because 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.720 I saw the EA is gonna make all of the 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.760 virtual players, so they're gonna walk across and like hug 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.480 the commissioner and stuff. Do you ask the players how 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.080 they want they're hug to look because maybe they don't 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:22.920 like you though, maybe they want to do a fist bump. 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.120 And so with that being all virtual, I also know 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.080 that when we get to the sixth and seven rounds, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.239 they're gonna pick players somebody is that they're not ready 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.800 for and so we're gonna have a generic guy walk 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:39.080 across stage. Yes, Oh, they're not gonna do animations for 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.680 all two hundred and fifty players, right, I mean just 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.360 just the first round today? Well, I mean they don't, 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.600 you know, six round picks don't get to walk across 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.360 the stage. They just get a call while they're at 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.760 home watching TV. So deal with it. That's true. I 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.880 just I mean, I can't agree with Jeff, Like, twelve 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.600 guys in their twenties can't go through a fantasy football 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.160 draft without complications. So I have a hard time believing 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.680 thirty two front offices are gonna be able to get 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:11.280 through this without connectivity issues, not to mention like NFL 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.960 front offices is like it's like Boomer Central, Like you're 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.920 talking about a bunch of guys in their forties, fifties, 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.600 and sixties who like, don't know that much about technology. 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.880 I think this thing's gonna be a mess. I think 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.040 it's gonna be straight chaos too, Like Jeff was talking 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.720 about trapping Cadet. I'm sorry, Captain trade Down had a 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.240 stroke live on air. Captain Captain trade Down getting in 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.640 the saddle and ride. No such. So we're gonna we're 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.920 gonna zoom FaceTime skype, call another team and then also 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.440 get it relayed to the to the NFL and due time. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.800 Like that, that's all gonna be smooth. Trade negotiations and 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.280 trades are gonna be smooth. I don't think so. I 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.280 also think what it's where this is really gonna cause, 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:01.040 um full on chaos is going to be after the 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:05.199 draft for the undrafted free agency process. Yeah, connecting with 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.040 all these agents and players here emotional because they didn't 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.160 get drafted is going to be really wild. And you're 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.920 also trying to get a deal done quickly. I like 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:15.959 this guy. We shouldn't draft him in the seventh but 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.640 I liked him and we didn't, So call him, call him, 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.560 call him. Well, he's got four offers, but he's on 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.760 the phone and he's only got one stream. Oh god, 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.120 oh no. See, I think that's gonna be like super chaotic. 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.360 I'm gonna be honest, like as fans, I think we 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.320 all need the draft. I just don't understand why we 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.680 couldn't push this back another month and see and yeah, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.240 if you have to do it this way in May, 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.000 that's how it is. But this makes more sense for 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.400 everyone Besides the fans and the commissioner and the owners 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.760 to do this a month from now, or try to 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.240 do this a month from now. Roger don't got time. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.720 No KT, Roger don't have time for you. Roger says, Hey, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.199 that's my spotlight. The dates are locked in. I'm doing 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.959 NFL stough. The owners, the g don't even want this 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:06.360 right doing it. And that's the thing that's bs Roger. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.920 Everyone has time. Everyone has more time than they've ever 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.200 had in the entire world. You have time to wait 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.320 and see if you can do this in a way 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.520 that's a little more I guess, I would say correct, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.959 a little more traditional than what we're trying here. Um 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.320 I do I do for the sake of the fans. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.440 I admire that this is happening, because I mean, I 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.640 think I'm with we're all in the same boat here, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.840 and I think we're all excited about the draft happening. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.960 But I just you're you're opening up yourself to be 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:39.480 exposed to some uh some issues if by doing this 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.640 so quickly and kind of being in my opinion a 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.959 little bit a little bit arrogant about maybe not moving 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.120 it back a few weeks. Oh, it's way more than 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.120 a little bit arrogant, but back to your your your 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.480 free agent thing. So when the draft ends, normally they'll 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.600 have all these different guys that were in the same room. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.400 We'll all be calling free agents trying to lock something in, 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:00.840 and when they get it locked in, you just walk 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.160 back in the room. You're like, hey, we got this 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.840 guy locked in. That's okay, duct that Adam Pacifico from 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.040 our pool. And then all right, who else was walking 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.439 in it already got a guy committed, We got that committed. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.600 Now imagine all of that being done from Zoom. When 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.120 you call a hundred twelve guys all calling players, all 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.560 trying to get back to the same person to let 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.120 them know, hey, I got a guy locked in. We've 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.760 done this. It is going to be an absolute cluster bleep. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.439 And I like it because I like I'm a fan 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.079 of chaos. It is going to be chaos. But if 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.720 there is one positive I guess going forward about having 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.440 the connectibility in the zooms and like David said a 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.439 minute ago, saying that it's Boomer Central. Whenever it comes 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.800 to all of these front offices trying to figure out 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:48.800 Zoom and web Ax insert software here, they're at least 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.880 getting some practice in it because the Dallas Cowboys have 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.600 had their virtual meetings. They're having these meetings with these 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.280 specific players. Now there's nothing you can do about the 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.960 chaos of the undrafted free agents. Now every team is 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:02.680 going to be going through that. It's not just gonna 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.199 be Dallas. But like you said, Jeff, it's gonna be 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.720 Chaost no matter what. But there have been a list 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.400 of names that are slowly but surely working their way 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.120 out of people that the Dallas Cowboys have talked to. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.240 I've got a list in front of me, and these 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:20.360 are guys that have been confirmed to talk to the Cowboys. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.960 Zach Bond Wisconsin, Jalin Hurts from Oklahoma, his teammate from Oklahoma, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:29.120 Kenneth Murray Ray Kwon Davis out of Alabama, Marlon Davidson 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.960 out of Auburn, the defensive tackle, defensive end kind of tweeter, 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.600 Christian Fulton corner from LSU, Denzel Mims the wide receiver 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.959 from Baylor, Justin Mattabek from Texas A and m Austin 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.240 Hall the Memphis linebacker. Another linebacker being talked to, James 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:49.600 Lynch out of Baylor. Then you've got Cordell Wagwu, I 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.160 believe is how you say his name. The TCU offensive 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.679 guard Curtis Weaver, and Te Higgins, the wide receiver from Clemson. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.040 Those are the guys that have had conversations with the Cowboys. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.640 So just off of that short list, and now this 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.960 is just probably scratching the surface on who the Cowboys 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.640 have actually talked to, because there's got to be fifty 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.720 players at least by the end of this process that 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.880 they will have talked to, and there's only about twelve 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.680 guys on this list. What do you take out of 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:18.360 kind of a makeup of positions, kind of being targeted 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.439 with this list? And is this something that you can 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:28.760 legitimately look at as targets for the draft? Here's go ahead. Well, no, 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:35.080 you go ahead, Jeffrey. I'm interested in that they've talked 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.240 to Zach Vaughn and I'm interested in that they've talked 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.040 to Kenneth Murray because those guys to me are both 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:47.079 captain trade down options and Zach Vaughn, especially if anybody 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:52.880 doesn't know the Wisconsin linebacker Slash Edge is like he's 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.200 basically if maybe it compares him to t J. Watt, 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.360 they're wrong, but he's like a T. J. Watt Light. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.559 He's a little bit smaller, he's a little bit less athletic, 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.240 but he's a guy that can rush the pastor he 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.520 has the tools to do that. He has the tools 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.679 to be an off the ball linebacker, and that's the 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.719 sort of player that in the past the Cowboys have 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:14.319 been like, oh no, not for us, really, So it's 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.560 interesting that they talked to him, And it's interesting that 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:18.880 they talked to Kenneth Murray, who's going to be a 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.600 first round pick that plays off the ball linebacker. Knowing 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.600 where they are, and I wonder what that says about 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.520 this team and how they feel only twelve months into 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.520 a certain contract extension with a certain player, and how 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:35.080 they really feel about Layton Vanderesh's health, either now or 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.320 long term. So those two names are the ones that 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.160 jumped out to me because what it might mean about 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.080 what the team says, I just I guess My thing 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:48.960 is I worry about overreacting, and I mean, I'm it's 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.720 awesome that we have the names. It's really cool, you know, 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.240 me and Kyle who work for Dallas Cowboys dot com. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.280 It's really cool that the front office is letting us 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.440 have access to these phone calls, not only letting us 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.480 see who they want to talk to, but what these 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.400 interviews are actually Like, it's really cool content, But I 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.320 think people need to keep in mind a couple of things. One, 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.760 the NFL hasn't put a limit on the number of 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:17.120 these calls that teams can make. And two, this is 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.120 all pretty standard stuff during a normal draft cycle, we 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.680 just don't get to see it. So obviously you've got 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.040 your thirty names on the thirty visit. We know those 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.240 are big. They love to draft guys from that list. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.440 But during a regular draft cycle, they go to pro days, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.880 coaches and scouts go do private workouts, like the number 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.960 of private workouts where the head coach will send a 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:44.040 position coach down to Texas A and M, or they'll 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.640 go to Iowa, like wherever they want to go. Like, 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.840 they can go do that, they can work out whoever 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.760 the hell they want to and ninety eight percent of 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.760 the time it never makes it into the public consciousness. 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.720 So and then you've got Dallas Day where any prospect 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.680 within like a sixty radius of DFW can come in 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.200 and it doesn't count toward the visitor list. So every 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:11.440 single year the Cowboys get hands on FaceTime with hundreds 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:15.320 of prospects, and it doesn't really narrow down what they're doing. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.080 I think this is similar because again there's no limit 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.920 on these zoom calls. So, like I said, I do 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.320 think it's interesting and they're definitely talking to some positions 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.040 that you would expect them to. But I just worry 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.760 about people overreacting that these names that are coming out 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.360 are definitively like at the top of the draft board, 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.480 because I'm not convinced that's the case. Yeah, I think 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.360 it's it's a little harder to know this year than 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.960 maybe in year's past, where sometimes these thirty visits would 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.800 get leaked out. Now that these thirty visits aren't happening, 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:48.280 there were some again this is not confirmed reports. Those 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.840 are not confirmed, but that have been like reported that 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.760 we're scheduled and three players who are of note. One 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.040 is Rochardlore Savella Shoe you mentioned Kyle a minute ago, 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.200 Kenneth Murray of Oklahoma and then also the tight end 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:05.640 from UCLA, Devin Ossias, who who I know, Jeff likes 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.119 a lot. He was a guy who was scheduled to 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.640 be a thirty visit, but didn't you know obviously couldn't 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.119 do that. I've heard some stuff on back channels just 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.840 talking to people about Assias that we should be looking 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.440 at him, maybe a little higher than people may think 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:21.960 he's gonna go. I mean, I got a fourth round 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.560 grade on him, But I think the tight end class 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.360 is such a toss up right now. Who's gonna go first, second, third, 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.359 fourth off the board? A lot of people will think 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.760 Assias maybe end up being the second or third tight 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.520 end off the board, which maybe we haven't been talking 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.520 about him in that regard, So you know, if you 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.560 want to throw, tight end is maybe a need on 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.480 this team? My question mark? And I don't want to 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.119 spend a lot of time on this because we're already 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:45.760 late and need to get to Twitter on the twenties, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.120 but is your interior offensive line your biggest question mark 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.239 on this football team right now? It might be I 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.960 don't know what Connor Williams is. I don't know what 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.040 Connor McGovern is. I know what Joe Looney is, and 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.560 I like Joe Looney, but I also think I could 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:05.280 do better. So maybe my center and left guard situation 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.160 is the biggest question mark on this football team right now. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.680 And I don't think I saw that coming two months ago. Well, 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.960 I think other than corner you could probably put it 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.400 up there. And you're gonna hear kind of the conversation 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.880 of there's three replacements there, all three of the guys 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.400 you just named, between Williams McGovern and then also Joe Looney. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.080 But like you said, you could probably do better in 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.639 each one of those spots depending on what McGovern and 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.919 what Connor Williams end up being. But also go for it, 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.679 Katie Well, I said, I'm sorry, Kyle katty Off. I 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.800 know what I have at cornerback. I know I could 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.600 do better there. I know what I have at cornerback. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.720 I got no clue what I have at center and 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.440 left guard. I don't know what you have at cornerback, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.359 at least for twenty twenty, maybe not for twenty twenty one. 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.240 That's kind of the biggest question mark there is who 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.000 are you going to put out there moving past this 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.480 next season, because none of that is is set in 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.480 stone by any of that means other than Anthony Brown. 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.040 But kind of where I was going with that is 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.280 going back to what Dave said as well, is you 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.919 can't necessarily put all your chips in on each one 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.720 of these visits or these telecasts or telecalls that you're 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.639 talking to these players on. You can't put your chips 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.119 in on it, just because if they're getting released to 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:17.560 the public, you kind of got to take it with 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:19.840 a grain of salt, because you could be sending a 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.960 message to the fact that maybe you're not as interested, 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.160 maybe you don't want to play things close to the chest, 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.640 So let's go ahead and release these. Let's go ahead 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.000 and put these out on the internet to have some 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.760 content and to be able to talk through and show that, hey, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.240 we talk to this guy. It doesn't necessarily mean we're 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.480 going to pick them now. You could, like we said, 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.480 we don't know what's going on in the heads of 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.080 these these scouting departments, in these front offices, but there's 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.159 always that chance that they're putting this out there. For instance, 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.359 Jalen Hurts from Oklahoma. You're not necessarily really searching for 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.200 a quarterback that high. You could, but you also could 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.640 turn around and say, hey, we're not actually interested. Let's 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:00.679 go ahead and release this and show we talked to 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.320 Jalen Hurts. Overall, so plenty of conversations that have been 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.760 had and that will be had over the future between 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.280 the Cowboys and these draft prospects. Like Katie just said, 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.359 we've got to get to Twitter on the twenty. Before 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.200 we do that, I want to give you one quick reminder. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.040 Go online and pick up your copy, your digital copy 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.480 of the twenty twenty Dallas Cowboys Star Magazine Draft Guide 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.280 and go online. It's just four ninety five Dallas Cowboys 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.840 dot Com slash Star, three hundred and twenty players listed, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.960 writing from some of your favorites at Dallas Cowboys dot 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.080 Com and plenty to get you ready for the Cowboys 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.320 Draft and really the NFL Draft in general whenever that 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.480 comes up on April twenty three. But we're gonna step 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.760 aside when we come back Twitter on the twenty. Here 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.800 on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, I'm Jay Novacheck, 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.920 former tight end for the Dallas Cowboys. Back in the day, 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.159 I was the guy who always got the tough yards 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.399 and that's why I run with John Deer today. In fact, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:57.720