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Speaker 1: two weeks, fourteen days. The countdown sits just over a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks away from the twenty twenty NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: and we're bringing you all the coverage that you need
Speaker 1: and trying to sit through exactly what this offseason looks
Speaker 1: like for the Dallas Cowboys whenever it comes to the
Speaker 1: virtuality of the NFL Draft. I've got Dave Hellman, Kevin
Speaker 1: Turner back again. Jeff Cavanall is back with us as well.
Speaker 1: So love having Jeff back. Missed you last week. Of course,
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks filling in and doing a great job. But
Speaker 1: Jeff is Captain Trade Down, still tooting this horn quite
Speaker 1: a bit. Captain Trade Down Lives, Captain Trade Down Rise,
Speaker 1: Captain Trade Down and going anywhere, not doing anywhere. Katie,
Speaker 1: are you you on that same train. Are we team
Speaker 1: forty Burger still or what are we trying to figure out?
Speaker 1: Down here? Tell me who's on the board and then
Speaker 1: I'll let you know how I feel about it. I
Speaker 1: really don't know. There's so many things in the middle
Speaker 1: of the first round. There's so many things that can happen,
Speaker 1: good or bad, waiting on guys to fall to you.
Speaker 1: I'm as more flexible than I've ever been, and that's
Speaker 1: all that's because I've been doing a lot of at
Speaker 1: home yoga. Because I haven't I'll go to the gym.
Speaker 1: Nice you do you have a matt in like a
Speaker 1: like a phone roller or are you just kind of
Speaker 1: just doing it wherever? Oh? Yeah, I got a matt,
Speaker 1: got the phone roller, got some dumbbells. Thanks, thanks for
Speaker 1: going good Man, get a real tone. I feel like
Speaker 1: Hellman could do some yoga and meditate a little bit.
Speaker 1: I try. I might be the least flexible person in
Speaker 1: the entire world, so like yoga for me is just
Speaker 1: like trying to touch my toes. But you gotta do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do in these trade times, and I
Speaker 1: saw you were tweeting about Grant Delpot a little bit ago.
Speaker 1: You had like kind of a mock pro day yesterday.
Speaker 1: Is that kind of putting you up on Grant Delpot
Speaker 1: at the safety position? Yet you're LSU Tiger honest. I
Speaker 1: mean I expected him to kill his pro day, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't get to have a real one,
Speaker 1: but it's clear that the guy is a freak athlete.
Speaker 1: It doesn't change my opinion. Maybe it opened some people's eyes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean he's he's a freak. I knew
Speaker 1: that would happen. I'm seventeen. Not so much just because
Speaker 1: of the position, probably, but like you know, if Captain
Speaker 1: trade down over there and wants to trade back to
Speaker 1: like twenty four or twenty five and grab him, I'm
Speaker 1: down with that. That's fine with me. Kavanaugh, Are you
Speaker 1: a fan of delpat Yeah? I like Delpa I know
Speaker 1: the whole world hates him now and says that he
Speaker 1: can't tackle, and yeah, he's got tackling issues, But Grant
Speaker 1: Delpha's going to be a really good NFL player. I
Speaker 1: feel like you're kind of on that train early we went,
Speaker 1: and I mean it, I think it's still something that
Speaker 1: needs to be considered, but it's the it's the same
Speaker 1: line of logic that I've had since the combine, which
Speaker 1: is I just don't see the Cowboys front office valuing
Speaker 1: the position enough to take him at seventeen. I guess
Speaker 1: it's possible, but I'd be kind of surprised, but I do.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should forget the name. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with Jeff like I think the narrative is
Speaker 1: so far out of control on Delpa, Like he's a
Speaker 1: good player and he does have some tackling issues, but
Speaker 1: people act like the guy sucks. That's just not true.
Speaker 1: I would also say that the signing of Haha, Clinton
Speaker 1: Dix makes safety a less pressing need than maybe it
Speaker 1: was when we started talking about him. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: ignore the position like they've done for years. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's not like something I held. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: look at the well now that you signed how Clinton Dix,
Speaker 1: him and Xavier Woods and then whatever else, you're running
Speaker 1: back there like you need a safety, but you don't
Speaker 1: need it like you need something else. So it's very
Speaker 1: hard for me to justify taking delp it if I
Speaker 1: don't have him graded higher than someone else that I
Speaker 1: might need at seventeen. That being said, he's still my
Speaker 1: highest ranked safety. I'm not as high on Xavier McKinney
Speaker 1: as I think the rest of the world is. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, a safety in the top twenty in this
Speaker 1: draft seems a little rich overall in my estimation. What
Speaker 1: I would ask is what do they need? Because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't need a safety because of haha
Speaker 1: Clinton Dicks. Okay, well then, and I don't need a
Speaker 1: one technique because of don Terry pol I don't need
Speaker 1: a three technique because of Gerald McCoy. And maybe I
Speaker 1: don't need a right defensive end because Randy Gregory will
Speaker 1: get reinstated and Alton Smith and Tyron Crawford. I think,
Speaker 1: I think they've done a good job of filling up
Speaker 1: the row to where they could go play. The problem
Speaker 1: is they haven't done a good enough job the last
Speaker 1: few years of drafting and developing good players. So they
Speaker 1: need everything, it's just not they need it tomorrow. So
Speaker 1: that's I think that's why you just stick with who's
Speaker 1: the best player, bailble, And when that best player bailble,
Speaker 1: a seven team turns out that all three receivers are
Speaker 1: gone and John Kenlog's gone and C. J. Henderson's gone,
Speaker 1: that's from captain trade down, hops in the saddle, and
Speaker 1: we get the riding, baby, that's when we ride. And
Speaker 1: I feel like we kind of talked about this a
Speaker 1: little bit last week, and I would have loved to
Speaker 1: hear Kavanaugh's captain trade doown moment a week ago as well.
Speaker 1: But with all of the moves that the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: made this offseason, it's made it extremely easy for them
Speaker 1: to look at potentially the best player available, whether it's
Speaker 1: seventeen or potential trade down scenarios kind of what we've
Speaker 1: been talking about over the course of the Draft show
Speaker 1: this season. So I feel like they're kind of lining
Speaker 1: themselves up with a little bit of a safety net
Speaker 1: with those offseason additions. That way, whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: draft time, you can add top notch talent for cheap
Speaker 1: prices and try and move on from there. But talking
Speaker 1: about the draft, specifically virtual draft coming up, and we
Speaker 1: kind of expected this to happen now, the news kind
Speaker 1: of rain down a little bit heavier before after last
Speaker 1: week's show that the draft will be all virtual, it
Speaker 1: will be conducted from the different homes. But now as
Speaker 1: we've kind of gotten through a couple of days of
Speaker 1: hearing about this virtual draft. We've now heard about some
Speaker 1: of the concerns surrounding the network ability and the setting
Speaker 1: up and the IT professionals being in homes. What are
Speaker 1: some of the issues that you guys either see as
Speaker 1: legitimate concerns moving forward with the virtual draft, or even
Speaker 1: just kind of something that you might think could potentially arise.
Speaker 1: I think that the thing I look most forward to
Speaker 1: is seeing which team has a complete melt down, like
Speaker 1: grid goes down, somebody losing their WiFi and they moved
Speaker 1: to action. Then we have to wait forty five minutes
Speaker 1: for the Minnesota Ikes to make a pick something like that.
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be awesome. And I also wonder, because
Speaker 1: I saw the EA is gonna make all of the
Speaker 1: virtual players, so they're gonna walk across and like hug
Speaker 1: the commissioner and stuff. Do you ask the players how
Speaker 1: they want they're hug to look because maybe they don't
Speaker 1: like you though, maybe they want to do a fist bump.
Speaker 1: And so with that being all virtual, I also know
Speaker 1: that when we get to the sixth and seven rounds,
Speaker 1: they're gonna pick players somebody is that they're not ready
Speaker 1: for and so we're gonna have a generic guy walk
Speaker 1: across stage. Yes, Oh, they're not gonna do animations for
Speaker 1: all two hundred and fifty players, right, I mean just
Speaker 1: just the first round today? Well, I mean they don't,
Speaker 1: you know, six round picks don't get to walk across
Speaker 1: the stage. They just get a call while they're at
Speaker 1: home watching TV. So deal with it. That's true. I
Speaker 1: just I mean, I can't agree with Jeff, Like, twelve
Speaker 1: guys in their twenties can't go through a fantasy football
Speaker 1: draft without complications. So I have a hard time believing
Speaker 1: thirty two front offices are gonna be able to get
Speaker 1: through this without connectivity issues, not to mention like NFL
Speaker 1: front offices is like it's like Boomer Central, Like you're
Speaker 1: talking about a bunch of guys in their forties, fifties,
Speaker 1: and sixties who like, don't know that much about technology.
Speaker 1: I think this thing's gonna be a mess. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be straight chaos too, Like Jeff was talking
Speaker 1: about trapping Cadet. I'm sorry, Captain trade Down had a
Speaker 1: stroke live on air. Captain Captain trade Down getting in
Speaker 1: the saddle and ride. No such. So we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna zoom FaceTime skype, call another team and then also
Speaker 1: get it relayed to the to the NFL and due time.
Speaker 1: Like that, that's all gonna be smooth. Trade negotiations and
Speaker 1: trades are gonna be smooth. I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: also think what it's where this is really gonna cause,
Speaker 1: um full on chaos is going to be after the
Speaker 1: draft for the undrafted free agency process. Yeah, connecting with
Speaker 1: all these agents and players here emotional because they didn't
Speaker 1: get drafted is going to be really wild. And you're
Speaker 1: also trying to get a deal done quickly. I like
Speaker 1: this guy. We shouldn't draft him in the seventh but
Speaker 1: I liked him and we didn't, So call him, call him,
Speaker 1: call him. Well, he's got four offers, but he's on
Speaker 1: the phone and he's only got one stream. Oh god,
Speaker 1: oh no. See, I think that's gonna be like super chaotic.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, like as fans, I think we
Speaker 1: all need the draft. I just don't understand why we
Speaker 1: couldn't push this back another month and see and yeah,
Speaker 1: if you have to do it this way in May,
Speaker 1: that's how it is. But this makes more sense for
Speaker 1: everyone Besides the fans and the commissioner and the owners
Speaker 1: to do this a month from now, or try to
Speaker 1: do this a month from now. Roger don't got time.
Speaker 1: No KT, Roger don't have time for you. Roger says, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's my spotlight. The dates are locked in. I'm doing
Speaker 1: NFL stough. The owners, the g don't even want this
Speaker 1: right doing it. And that's the thing that's bs Roger.
Speaker 1: Everyone has time. Everyone has more time than they've ever
Speaker 1: had in the entire world. You have time to wait
Speaker 1: and see if you can do this in a way
Speaker 1: that's a little more I guess, I would say correct,
Speaker 1: a little more traditional than what we're trying here. Um
Speaker 1: I do I do for the sake of the fans.
Speaker 1: I admire that this is happening, because I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I'm with we're all in the same boat here,
Speaker 1: and I think we're all excited about the draft happening.
Speaker 1: But I just you're you're opening up yourself to be
Speaker 1: exposed to some uh some issues if by doing this
Speaker 1: so quickly and kind of being in my opinion a
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit arrogant about maybe not moving
Speaker 1: it back a few weeks. Oh, it's way more than
Speaker 1: a little bit arrogant, but back to your your your
Speaker 1: free agent thing. So when the draft ends, normally they'll
Speaker 1: have all these different guys that were in the same room.
Speaker 1: We'll all be calling free agents trying to lock something in,
Speaker 1: and when they get it locked in, you just walk
Speaker 1: back in the room. You're like, hey, we got this
Speaker 1: guy locked in. That's okay, duct that Adam Pacifico from
Speaker 1: our pool. And then all right, who else was walking
Speaker 1: in it already got a guy committed, We got that committed.
Speaker 1: Now imagine all of that being done from Zoom. When
Speaker 1: you call a hundred twelve guys all calling players, all
Speaker 1: trying to get back to the same person to let
Speaker 1: them know, hey, I got a guy locked in. We've
Speaker 1: done this. It is going to be an absolute cluster bleep.
Speaker 1: And I like it because I like I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of chaos. It is going to be chaos. But if
Speaker 1: there is one positive I guess going forward about having
Speaker 1: the connectibility in the zooms and like David said a
Speaker 1: minute ago, saying that it's Boomer Central. Whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to all of these front offices trying to figure out
Speaker 1: Zoom and web Ax insert software here, they're at least
Speaker 1: getting some practice in it because the Dallas Cowboys have
Speaker 1: had their virtual meetings. They're having these meetings with these
Speaker 1: specific players. Now there's nothing you can do about the
Speaker 1: chaos of the undrafted free agents. Now every team is
Speaker 1: going to be going through that. It's not just gonna
Speaker 1: be Dallas. But like you said, Jeff, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Chaost no matter what. But there have been a list
Speaker 1: of names that are slowly but surely working their way
Speaker 1: out of people that the Dallas Cowboys have talked to.
Speaker 1: I've got a list in front of me, and these
Speaker 1: are guys that have been confirmed to talk to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Zach Bond Wisconsin, Jalin Hurts from Oklahoma, his teammate from Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray Ray Kwon Davis out of Alabama, Marlon Davidson
Speaker 1: out of Auburn, the defensive tackle, defensive end kind of tweeter,
Speaker 1: Christian Fulton corner from LSU, Denzel Mims the wide receiver
Speaker 1: from Baylor, Justin Mattabek from Texas A and m Austin
Speaker 1: Hall the Memphis linebacker. Another linebacker being talked to, James
Speaker 1: Lynch out of Baylor. Then you've got Cordell Wagwu, I
Speaker 1: believe is how you say his name. The TCU offensive
Speaker 1: guard Curtis Weaver, and Te Higgins, the wide receiver from Clemson.
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that have had conversations with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So just off of that short list, and now this
Speaker 1: is just probably scratching the surface on who the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have actually talked to, because there's got to be fifty
Speaker 1: players at least by the end of this process that
Speaker 1: they will have talked to, and there's only about twelve
Speaker 1: guys on this list. What do you take out of
Speaker 1: kind of a makeup of positions, kind of being targeted
Speaker 1: with this list? And is this something that you can
Speaker 1: legitimately look at as targets for the draft? Here's go ahead. Well, no,
Speaker 1: you go ahead, Jeffrey. I'm interested in that they've talked
Speaker 1: to Zach Vaughn and I'm interested in that they've talked
Speaker 1: to Kenneth Murray because those guys to me are both
Speaker 1: captain trade down options and Zach Vaughn, especially if anybody
Speaker 1: doesn't know the Wisconsin linebacker Slash Edge is like he's
Speaker 1: basically if maybe it compares him to t J. Watt,
Speaker 1: they're wrong, but he's like a T. J. Watt Light.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit smaller, he's a little bit less athletic,
Speaker 1: but he's a guy that can rush the pastor he
Speaker 1: has the tools to do that. He has the tools
Speaker 1: to be an off the ball linebacker, and that's the
Speaker 1: sort of player that in the past the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: been like, oh no, not for us, really, So it's
Speaker 1: interesting that they talked to him, And it's interesting that
Speaker 1: they talked to Kenneth Murray, who's going to be a
Speaker 1: first round pick that plays off the ball linebacker. Knowing
Speaker 1: where they are, and I wonder what that says about
Speaker 1: this team and how they feel only twelve months into
Speaker 1: a certain contract extension with a certain player, and how
Speaker 1: they really feel about Layton Vanderesh's health, either now or
Speaker 1: long term. So those two names are the ones that
Speaker 1: jumped out to me because what it might mean about
Speaker 1: what the team says, I just I guess My thing
Speaker 1: is I worry about overreacting, and I mean, I'm it's
Speaker 1: awesome that we have the names. It's really cool, you know,
Speaker 1: me and Kyle who work for Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 1: It's really cool that the front office is letting us
Speaker 1: have access to these phone calls, not only letting us
Speaker 1: see who they want to talk to, but what these
Speaker 1: interviews are actually Like, it's really cool content, But I
Speaker 1: think people need to keep in mind a couple of things. One,
Speaker 1: the NFL hasn't put a limit on the number of
Speaker 1: these calls that teams can make. And two, this is
Speaker 1: all pretty standard stuff during a normal draft cycle, we
Speaker 1: just don't get to see it. So obviously you've got
Speaker 1: your thirty names on the thirty visit. We know those
Speaker 1: are big. They love to draft guys from that list.
Speaker 1: But during a regular draft cycle, they go to pro days,
Speaker 1: coaches and scouts go do private workouts, like the number
Speaker 1: of private workouts where the head coach will send a
Speaker 1: position coach down to Texas A and M, or they'll
Speaker 1: go to Iowa, like wherever they want to go. Like,
Speaker 1: they can go do that, they can work out whoever
Speaker 1: the hell they want to and ninety eight percent of
Speaker 1: the time it never makes it into the public consciousness.
Speaker 1: So and then you've got Dallas Day where any prospect
Speaker 1: within like a sixty radius of DFW can come in
Speaker 1: and it doesn't count toward the visitor list. So every
Speaker 1: single year the Cowboys get hands on FaceTime with hundreds
Speaker 1: of prospects, and it doesn't really narrow down what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I think this is similar because again there's no limit
Speaker 1: on these zoom calls. So, like I said, I do
Speaker 1: think it's interesting and they're definitely talking to some positions
Speaker 1: that you would expect them to. But I just worry
Speaker 1: about people overreacting that these names that are coming out
Speaker 1: are definitively like at the top of the draft board,
Speaker 1: because I'm not convinced that's the case. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's a little harder to know this year than
Speaker 1: maybe in year's past, where sometimes these thirty visits would
Speaker 1: get leaked out. Now that these thirty visits aren't happening,
Speaker 1: there were some again this is not confirmed reports. Those
Speaker 1: are not confirmed, but that have been like reported that
Speaker 1: we're scheduled and three players who are of note. One
Speaker 1: is Rochardlore Savella Shoe you mentioned Kyle a minute ago,
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray of Oklahoma and then also the tight end
Speaker 1: from UCLA, Devin Ossias, who who I know, Jeff likes
Speaker 1: a lot. He was a guy who was scheduled to
Speaker 1: be a thirty visit, but didn't you know obviously couldn't
Speaker 1: do that. I've heard some stuff on back channels just
Speaker 1: talking to people about Assias that we should be looking
Speaker 1: at him, maybe a little higher than people may think
Speaker 1: he's gonna go. I mean, I got a fourth round
Speaker 1: grade on him, But I think the tight end class
Speaker 1: is such a toss up right now. Who's gonna go first, second, third,
Speaker 1: fourth off the board? A lot of people will think
Speaker 1: Assias maybe end up being the second or third tight
Speaker 1: end off the board, which maybe we haven't been talking
Speaker 1: about him in that regard, So you know, if you
Speaker 1: want to throw, tight end is maybe a need on
Speaker 1: this team? My question mark? And I don't want to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on this because we're already
Speaker 1: late and need to get to Twitter on the twenties,
Speaker 1: but is your interior offensive line your biggest question mark
Speaker 1: on this football team right now? It might be I
Speaker 1: don't know what Connor Williams is. I don't know what
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern is. I know what Joe Looney is, and
Speaker 1: I like Joe Looney, but I also think I could
Speaker 1: do better. So maybe my center and left guard situation
Speaker 1: is the biggest question mark on this football team right now.
Speaker 1: And I don't think I saw that coming two months ago. Well,
Speaker 1: I think other than corner you could probably put it
Speaker 1: up there. And you're gonna hear kind of the conversation
Speaker 1: of there's three replacements there, all three of the guys
Speaker 1: you just named, between Williams McGovern and then also Joe Looney.
Speaker 1: But like you said, you could probably do better in
Speaker 1: each one of those spots depending on what McGovern and
Speaker 1: what Connor Williams end up being. But also go for it,
Speaker 1: Katie Well, I said, I'm sorry, Kyle katty Off. I
Speaker 1: know what I have at cornerback. I know I could
Speaker 1: do better there. I know what I have at cornerback.
Speaker 1: I got no clue what I have at center and
Speaker 1: left guard. I don't know what you have at cornerback,
Speaker 1: at least for twenty twenty, maybe not for twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the biggest question mark there is who
Speaker 1: are you going to put out there moving past this
Speaker 1: next season, because none of that is is set in
Speaker 1: stone by any of that means other than Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: But kind of where I was going with that is
Speaker 1: going back to what Dave said as well, is you
Speaker 1: can't necessarily put all your chips in on each one
Speaker 1: of these visits or these telecasts or telecalls that you're
Speaker 1: talking to these players on. You can't put your chips
Speaker 1: in on it, just because if they're getting released to
Speaker 1: the public, you kind of got to take it with
Speaker 1: a grain of salt, because you could be sending a
Speaker 1: message to the fact that maybe you're not as interested,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't want to play things close to the chest,
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and release these. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and put these out on the internet to have some
Speaker 1: content and to be able to talk through and show that, hey,
Speaker 1: we talk to this guy. It doesn't necessarily mean we're
Speaker 1: going to pick them now. You could, like we said,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on in the heads of
Speaker 1: these these scouting departments, in these front offices, but there's
Speaker 1: always that chance that they're putting this out there. For instance,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts from Oklahoma. You're not necessarily really searching for
Speaker 1: a quarterback that high. You could, but you also could
Speaker 1: turn around and say, hey, we're not actually interested. Let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and release this and show we talked to
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. Overall, so plenty of conversations that have been
Speaker 1: had and that will be had over the future between
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and these draft prospects. Like Katie just said,
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Speaker 1: the twenty, of course, go online and you can ask
Speaker 1: the questions. You can tag any one of us to
Speaker 1: ask these questions at Kyle Underscore, Yeoman's at Hellman DC
Speaker 1: for Dave Katie on tweets for KT down below me
Speaker 1: and then at JC one oh five three. So with
Speaker 1: these upcoming questions, hold up, I was I pulled it
Speaker 1: up on the wrong thing. Let me get back to
Speaker 1: I know I messed it up. I looked at the
Speaker 1: wrong one. Okay, So right now, this kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to what we were talking about a little bit
Speaker 1: earlier with the holes on the defensive side. Whenever you're
Speaker 1: looking at pick seventeen, and this question comes from Brandon,
Speaker 1: it says with two major holes at right end in cornerback,
Speaker 1: which is the most likely to be filled appropriately in
Speaker 1: round one. You got to consider the influence of the
Speaker 1: other hole as well. So it's kind of that teeter totter,
Speaker 1: that balance between corner right defensive end, which one has
Speaker 1: a better chance of being filled solidly in round one?
Speaker 1: Cornerback has more likely. Here's I'm gonna break news to you, guys.
Speaker 1: It's gonna make a lot of people very sad if
Speaker 1: you're filling your right defensive end need in the first round.
Speaker 1: My guests would meet would be that means that Calevan
Speaker 1: Chason made it to you and you picked him, And
Speaker 1: I think that's a boomer bust pick. Not that not
Speaker 1: that it can't move, but I think that's a boomer
Speaker 1: bust pick. I don't think we have necessarily a big
Speaker 1: track record of production to look at with him, Like
Speaker 1: we're basically looking at his high end plays and his
Speaker 1: athleticism and projecting him to be an impact NFL player
Speaker 1: because this defensive end class is really lacking. It's the
Speaker 1: top end after Chase Young. So even if they pick him,
Speaker 1: that could be a miss. Whereas at corner, I think
Speaker 1: you've got a better chance. Maybe C. J. Henderson makes it,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's one of those guys in the next group.
Speaker 1: And this is why captain trade doown exists because if
Speaker 1: the board goes away you don't like and you can
Speaker 1: find somebody that wants to come up, and you can
Speaker 1: move back six to tend then pick a name from
Speaker 1: a handful of them. And I feel pretty good about
Speaker 1: a corner that you can pick in the first round,
Speaker 1: and I just don't feel the way about the same
Speaker 1: way about the defensive end. Okay, but you're cheating because
Speaker 1: even though I'm on board with captain trade down, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, you just can't bank on that happening at
Speaker 1: pick seventeen, Like you can't bank on there being a
Speaker 1: player available that somebody absolutely has to have to the
Speaker 1: point where they'll trade up with you. So, okay, who's
Speaker 1: safe or Christian Fulton or Calevan Chase on him? Well,
Speaker 1: now that's what I was about to ask you. If
Speaker 1: if Henderson's gone, and I really think he will be,
Speaker 1: if Cia Henderson's gone, would you, I mean, you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable drafting Christian Fulton or even um Jeff Gladney at
Speaker 1: pick seventeen, would you do that? I would fake. I
Speaker 1: would fake a WiFi out inch until I could work
Speaker 1: my trade down I don't know, you're being up, You're
Speaker 1: being you're by powered. I would okay, I would for
Speaker 1: Christian Fulton or Trey vob Digg Oh I forgot wow, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: we need to find out how they feel about AJ
Speaker 1: Terrell or Terrell yea from Clemson? What need to find
Speaker 1: out how they feel about him because I think I
Speaker 1: think he needs to be in that conversation. I don't
Speaker 1: have him, I mean and that and that boat. I
Speaker 1: guess I would say of it's obviously Akuda Gladenee Henderson
Speaker 1: for me, and I know it's Henderson for most everyone else,
Speaker 1: and then digs Fulton kind of in some order. I
Speaker 1: don't really don't have I have AJ Terrell on the
Speaker 1: outside looking in. But I think there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of NFL teams that are enamored with AJ Terrell.
Speaker 1: And I think he's a name that we shouldn't be
Speaker 1: sleeping on. We should be talking about him a little
Speaker 1: bit because I think he's, you know, get the potential
Speaker 1: to go to twenty and someone might take a risk.
Speaker 1: I would take chase on. I would bet on the upside,
Speaker 1: and if I lose, that's my fault. But pass Rusher
Speaker 1: I feel much better about in the first round than
Speaker 1: I do in round two. And by the way, the
Speaker 1: rest of the league knows that as well. I honestly
Speaker 1: think we're a little arrogant if we think Chase Soun's
Speaker 1: gonna be there at seventeen, because I think there's a
Speaker 1: really good chance he's not. This draft really reminds me,
Speaker 1: from an edge rusher standpoint of the twenty seventeen draft,
Speaker 1: where Myles Garrett went off the top. You know, Sullivan
Speaker 1: Thomas if they call him a defensive and I think
Speaker 1: we might have had m graded as a three technique
Speaker 1: or a guy who might play inside a little bit.
Speaker 1: And then Derek Barnett was the next guy that went,
Speaker 1: and you're going, h don't know how I feel about
Speaker 1: Derek Barnett, and he went at fourteen. And to me,
Speaker 1: the whole reason Derek Barnett went that high is because
Speaker 1: looking at the edge rushers in this draft, and I
Speaker 1: guess I have to do it because it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough sled and if I don't do it now And
Speaker 1: I kind of feel that same way about this draft.
Speaker 1: So not only do I think the Cowboys should be
Speaker 1: nancy about defensive end at seventeen. I also think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be other teams maybe trying to trade up and
Speaker 1: get in front of them to go get that guy.
Speaker 1: Because if you look at what Chason's done, the production
Speaker 1: does not stand out. Watching him on games, he does
Speaker 1: stand out as a player, But I think you sit
Speaker 1: there and go, man, I got a bet on this
Speaker 1: guy's age. He's young. I think the technique I can
Speaker 1: work on and get a little bit better, and I
Speaker 1: think he's got the juice. And I feel much better
Speaker 1: about Chason being on the roster with him than I
Speaker 1: would without him on opening day. Let's look at it
Speaker 1: that way. Everything I think he said is perfect, Like
Speaker 1: Katie just laid it out perfectly. I get such absolutely,
Speaker 1: I get such strong twenty seventeen vibes, and I mean
Speaker 1: that's a bummer for Cowboy fans because the Cowboys screwed
Speaker 1: it up in twenty seventeen, But I think the logic
Speaker 1: is still sound, and I mean, yeah, I would ride
Speaker 1: with Chason's potential all day, especially because I think there's
Speaker 1: a handful of pretty solid cornerbacks you can find on day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like that kind of has to play into
Speaker 1: it as well. Is where the depth is going to be.
Speaker 1: Whenever you look at day two, in day three, whenever
Speaker 1: it looks at edge rusher. Sure there's going to be
Speaker 1: a couple of guys out there, maybe not immediate starters,
Speaker 1: which might end up working out for you. Whenever you
Speaker 1: look at what you've done this offseason, depending on the
Speaker 1: reinstatement of Randy Gregory and then also Aldon Smith. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's potential there of waiting and taking an edge rusher,
Speaker 1: But if you're really looking at upside and you're trying
Speaker 1: to go best player available, I feel like edge rusher
Speaker 1: would be there more so than corner. And that's of
Speaker 1: course saying like Dave said, C J. Henderson not being
Speaker 1: in the picture at seventeen And if you operate this,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Dave, I'll be quick. If you operate this
Speaker 1: season as a Frandy Gregory now then Smith are going
Speaker 1: to be there, then you're not doing a good job
Speaker 1: of being a front office guy. You have to pretend
Speaker 1: those guys are not going to be there. It's the
Speaker 1: realistic thing to do. Yeah, But I do think Kat
Speaker 1: you might have made the best point of all, which
Speaker 1: is that, like I can't sit here and say I'm calm,
Speaker 1: can't say I can't sit here and say I'm confident
Speaker 1: in all that Chase On I'll ee would be there
Speaker 1: because there just aren't that many options at pass rush,
Speaker 1: and a guy with that sort of athleticism doesn't tend
Speaker 1: to hang around for very long. All right, next question,
Speaker 1: Russell Lowburger goes on and ask, and this is kind
Speaker 1: of going back to what we were just talking about,
Speaker 1: but instead of twenty seventeen, think about twenty nineteen's draft.
Speaker 1: If you were to create a team only from this
Speaker 1: draft class, how would it stack up against last year's
Speaker 1: draft class? And which team do you think would win
Speaker 1: based off of the prospects that are there? Oh, some
Speaker 1: googles here if you're comparing, So if you're comparing this
Speaker 1: year to last year, this year's draft to last year's
Speaker 1: draft based on the prospects, which which class do you
Speaker 1: think would bet be better? I'm looking at it last
Speaker 1: year's draft, Nick Vosa, Quinnon Williams, Devin White and Devin Bush,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, I mean from from they had better defensive
Speaker 1: ends for sure, But you want to put Hollywood Brown
Speaker 1: and DK Metcalf up against Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Judy. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, you gotta think about quarterbacks too,
Speaker 1: last year versus this year. This year's draft has the
Speaker 1: well and who are you vicking? Or? Would you take
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow or Kyler Murray? I think Kyler had a
Speaker 1: pretty good rookie year and the future looks pretty bright
Speaker 1: for him. This looks bright for Joe Burrow too, though. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know which way I guess I
Speaker 1: would lean to this year's quarterback class. But we can
Speaker 1: only play one of them, so it's Kyler against Burrow.
Speaker 1: The offensive line at tackle is going to be better
Speaker 1: this year than last year. Interior will be better last
Speaker 1: year than this year? Chief? Are you all aware? I
Speaker 1: totally I didn't even realize this. DeAndre Baker was the
Speaker 1: only cornerback taken in the first round last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last year was pretty pretty bad quarterback draft. Although I
Speaker 1: mean you get you know, you get Byron Murphy and
Speaker 1: Rock your Sin were really early second round picks and
Speaker 1: they both had nice rookie years, So it's doable, Jeff said.
Speaker 1: The wide receiver, give me Hollywood Brown, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Deebo,
Speaker 1: Samuel Look you go, those guys weren't first round picks.
Speaker 1: So like the Sids, Hollywood Brown, like I can, I
Speaker 1: can make the case for last year over this year
Speaker 1: right now, um, and you know, just by counting it
Speaker 1: out and I just pull up my draft chart from
Speaker 1: last year. But if I'm looking at my first round grades,
Speaker 1: I'm confident that I had more first round grades last
Speaker 1: year than I this year. Yeah, I mean too, that's true. Okay,
Speaker 1: So overall, I see that I could see both kind
Speaker 1: of you got a give and take whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to the classes in the positions. Overall, we got time
Speaker 1: for maybe one more question. We'll maybe try and get
Speaker 1: to two. So this is from Ty Davis and Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: of course, being a University of Arkansas graduate, and there's
Speaker 1: a couple of Arkansas players coming out this year. What
Speaker 1: are their draft get grades? Impossible chances of them ending
Speaker 1: up in Dallas. And he's mainly asking about the tight
Speaker 1: end Chyenno Grady and then the defensive tackle McTelvin a
Speaker 1: game who we talked about last week. Well, McTelvin a
Speaker 1: Jeames's he's really good Day three tach guy. Just the
Speaker 1: way he burst off the line. I mean I see
Speaker 1: a little you know, Malie Collins to his game. I
Speaker 1: think I might have mentioned that last week. I do
Speaker 1: worry about him as a run stopper. But I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy who is asked to put
Speaker 1: on weight from defensive end to play inside of defensive
Speaker 1: tackle and provide it's a really good pass rush up
Speaker 1: the middle. I really like even if you wanted to
Speaker 1: go fourth round on McTelvin agim, I would understand that
Speaker 1: and be on board with it. With Shyanne O'Grady, I
Speaker 1: mean to me, I think if you want to draft
Speaker 1: him in the sixth or seventh round, that's fine. I'm
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of his tape. And you know,
Speaker 1: you do see the tight end class. There's some names,
Speaker 1: but after you, this tight end class gets about seven
Speaker 1: or eight names. Deef, you sit there and go, Okay,
Speaker 1: do I really need to spend a draft pick on
Speaker 1: this guy or not? Especially with me. I'll be quick
Speaker 1: for me being a guy too. It's I'm okay with
Speaker 1: doing away with the tight end position and just you know,
Speaker 1: just spreading him out so at ten personnel. Baby, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't see you. I don't see it with O'Grady.
Speaker 1: I do like a game though he was a late
Speaker 1: edition of the Senior Bowl and had a great week
Speaker 1: down there. I like him not so much the tight end.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, like I feel like this comes up
Speaker 1: a lot. Jerry Jones has only ever drafted one Arkansas
Speaker 1: player and it was Felix Jones, uh what twelve years ago,
Speaker 1: which not to say it's impossible, but like people act
Speaker 1: like he's just got this fascination with Arkansas players. It
Speaker 1: does not really bear out over the history of his
Speaker 1: tenure here and around. Will they take John stephen in
Speaker 1: when he's drafted undrafted free agent? Oh, Grady, by the way,
Speaker 1: has been suspended three different times and then quit. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, yeah, yeah, leave the team. More so than
Speaker 1: there's more than just his taint that's got me saying, yeah, no, thanks, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: he likes to well, okay, I should not say that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say please, no, no, you're gonna leave it.
Speaker 1: I'm not here to assassinate a person's character. But he
Speaker 1: has been on the record of like, hey, I don't
Speaker 1: want you like to practice, and uh, you know other stuff.
Speaker 1: He's known to be a bit immature. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's a fair thing to say, though I don't know.
Speaker 1: Though it's public of opinion. He may have a great
Speaker 1: credit score. I don't know. And we'll go through one
Speaker 1: more quick question. Let's try and get through this in
Speaker 1: the next couple of seconds. So pick your favorite out
Speaker 1: of these first round, first two round combinations. C J
Speaker 1: Henderson or kJ Hamler. That's option one. Option two is
Speaker 1: Calvan Chason and Damon Armatt Arnette. And then you've got
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy or Curtis Weaver as your third option. Which
Speaker 1: one are you taking and why I'll go. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go Judy and Weaver, and it's just because of Judy
Speaker 1: because for me, he'll be a top ten player in
Speaker 1: this class. Weaver is my least favorite of those second
Speaker 1: round picks, but I think I'm gonna lean into the
Speaker 1: first round pick there. Although boy Chason and our Nette
Speaker 1: I would like as well. Who's Henderson with Hamiling's with
Speaker 1: kJ Hammler, your penns Dave Berner. He can't catch anything,
Speaker 1: but boy he can get open man, I would take
Speaker 1: any one of those three. I'm gonna take Judy and
Speaker 1: Weaver just because of Jerry Judy. Okay, I agree, and
Speaker 1: I don't hate Curtis Weaver. He just scares me from
Speaker 1: like the athletic profile standpoint. But I actually think he's
Speaker 1: kind of a safe pick, to be honest. I know
Speaker 1: he didn't like go up against the greatest competition at
Speaker 1: Boise State. He had a surprising three code time. So
Speaker 1: I'm not as down on Curtis Weaver as the rest
Speaker 1: of the world. And I honestly kind of I mean,
Speaker 1: at fifty one, what's the boards dried up? Especially at
Speaker 1: defensive in I don't have a problem with Curtis Weaver
Speaker 1: at fifty one. I mean, you have to tell me
Speaker 1: he's on the board at that time. Let's go Jerry Judy,
Speaker 1: he and Maury Cooper can both play in the slot,
Speaker 1: both play outside. Kind of mix it up a little bit,
Speaker 1: that Alabama connection. You almost go with Judy and Weaver.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Jeff, Let's do that. What do you
Speaker 1: think day now? Boys are not on our side? I
Speaker 1: guarantee I agree. I think y'all are absolutely nuts. And
Speaker 1: I say that as somebody who wants the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: draft a receiver. UW, how do you not take number two?
Speaker 1: And I like, I get it. I went to LSU
Speaker 1: everybody thinks I'm biased, but you're talking about one of
Speaker 1: the highest upside prospects in Calevan Chason. You know he
Speaker 1: could buck Like I completely agree with that, but he
Speaker 1: also I think he's one of two players that really
Speaker 1: has potential to like blossom into a routine double digit
Speaker 1: SAT guy, along with Chase Young obviously, who they don't
Speaker 1: have a shot at. Um. He doesn't have to start
Speaker 1: right away because you do have Alden Smith and hopefully
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, but he's got massive potential. And then Damon
Speaker 1: Arnett is sneaky, you know. I know there's there's questions
Speaker 1: outside the field to answer with him, but like, if
Speaker 1: all of that checks out, he's so sneaky good, Like
Speaker 1: I would feel fantastic drafting him fifty one and you
Speaker 1: address like our probably the two biggest needs on the
Speaker 1: team and you can still Bill get your receiver in
Speaker 1: the third or fourth round. I think that would be
Speaker 1: a best case scenario. Honestly. The reason I don't appreciate now, Ias,
Speaker 1: I don't appreciate what you're doing being very disrespectful to
Speaker 1: Kat and I and calling our character into question. The
Speaker 1: reason that I don't appreciate it is for me, it's
Speaker 1: as simple as for me, Jerry Judy's a top ten
Speaker 1: player and Calevan Chase on somewhere around number twenty for
Speaker 1: me in this draft. So the difference and that is
Speaker 1: enough for me to say. And I like Damon Arnette too.
Speaker 1: I got Damon Arnette as a second round corner. I
Speaker 1: got Weaver as a third round defensive end. But I'll
Speaker 1: four go the better second round pick for to me,
Speaker 1: the clearly clearly Dave better first round pick. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think whenever you look at the first sorry, go
Speaker 1: for it. No, you go for no? No, no no, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Now you've already assassinated our character one time.
Speaker 1: Why don't you double I just when you consider it
Speaker 1: to go back to the twenty seventeen conversation, like were
Speaker 1: they're better players than Taco available? Yeah, but you address
Speaker 1: the need at the thinnest position, knowing that you can
Speaker 1: address your need at wide receiver with a deeper position,
Speaker 1: like we expect there to be like starter caliber slot
Speaker 1: receivers available. And you want to do that again. It
Speaker 1: worked last time. They've picked the wrong guy. They could
Speaker 1: have had TJ. Want to do it again if they
Speaker 1: had picked t J. Watt we'd be talking about what
Speaker 1: geniuses they are. Like the strategy, this sound, the team
Speaker 1: still needs, this team still needs a wide receiver. I
Speaker 1: understand it if they still need a wide receiver. If
Speaker 1: they take a wide receiver and one day you're on
Speaker 1: the Burger team and you're going back, you're a team
Speaker 1: forty and you're taking it awaying. You mean to tell
Speaker 1: me that I can address the pass rush and the
Speaker 1: secondary and then on day two or three I can
Speaker 1: still find Lynn Bowden. That's fine, That's so easy for me.
Speaker 1: I'll do that every time. And I like the first
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you a little bit there. Whenever
Speaker 1: you're talking about team needs and better players. The first
Speaker 1: option between C. J. Henderson and then also kJ Hamler,
Speaker 1: I think that would be perfect if Hamler could catch
Speaker 1: a football. But see he's basically stay by runner. I'm
Speaker 1: out on kJ Hamdler. I don't get the hype. I
Speaker 1: know he's fast. I'm out. I'm pretty out on him
Speaker 1: as well. Say today, fire Man, before we continue getting
Speaker 1: questioned our character by Dave Hellman and him yelling at
Speaker 1: us and everybody kind of losing our I'm angry, wits
Speaker 1: witning our losing our wits about it. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and take a break, get away from Twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna have some perfect player
Speaker 1: fits for some of the other teams around the league
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Speaker 1: So kind of tease us a little bit in the
Speaker 1: last segment, and we've got some perfect player fits. We've
Speaker 1: talked about the Cowboys at nauseam really since the beginning
Speaker 1: of the show or the beginning of the season, really
Speaker 1: about who could fit in this the Cowboys draft class.
Speaker 1: But we've got some fits for specific players on other
Speaker 1: teams as well. Katie, I know you've got a couple
Speaker 1: of guys that you've had written out as well, and
Speaker 1: you're chomping at the bit to get after it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just start with the idea is just kind of
Speaker 1: getting creative us in our imagination here and find some
Speaker 1: guys who oh that makes a lot of sense. And
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but being nabled. When we've talked about
Speaker 1: slot wide receiver, it feels like we've talked about James Prochier,
Speaker 1: Devin Burnet from Texas Appreciation Messing year, and of course
Speaker 1: kJ Hill from Ohio State. So I up those three
Speaker 1: guys into one here. Wasn't those guys be great in
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Because if you look at the depth chart
Speaker 1: and the wide receiver situation for Tampa Bay after Mike
Speaker 1: Evans and after Chris Godwin man that underneath guy for
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. That safety blanket makes so much sense to me.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think? I like it. He's also
Speaker 1: already got his tight ends, and Tom Brady loves him
Speaker 1: some tight ends, So it's gonna be it'll be really interesting.
Speaker 1: As a guy who has said that Tom Brady is
Speaker 1: totally washed and that Bill Belichick is the secret to
Speaker 1: the dynasty, not Brady. They're given Tom everything in the
Speaker 1: world to prove that I'm an idiot, which would not
Speaker 1: be the first time. But yeah, if you tossed one
Speaker 1: of those guys there in the slot on top of Cameron, brad,
Speaker 1: oj Howard and Godwin and Evans's that's scary good. I
Speaker 1: could really need a final nail in the coffin for
Speaker 1: Tom if he fails. Yeah, I completely agree with that.
Speaker 1: But if I could draft one player for Tampa, I
Speaker 1: would probably use that first round pick on McKay Beckton
Speaker 1: if he's there, Like, that's the only thing that's going
Speaker 1: to screw that up for Brady is if he can't
Speaker 1: be protected and Tampa's line is not impressive to me,
Speaker 1: that is what I would be trying to do with
Speaker 1: their first round pick if I were them. Well, to
Speaker 1: be fair, Katie's three names that he threw out there.
Speaker 1: None of those guys are really first round talents. No, no
Speaker 1: no kJ Hill, no fourth round. No. Day's just trying
Speaker 1: to go after people. I'm just saying, well, here, how
Speaker 1: about this in the first round and Prochet in the
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth? Hell yeah, let's go. Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: that at fourteen, you're gonna go offensive tackle. Whether it's
Speaker 1: Beckton or Worse or whoever's there, Andrew Thomas, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: There's a slew of tackles that you could have in
Speaker 1: the first fifteen picks, and with Tampa Bay being at fourteen,
Speaker 1: you could go offensive tackle. This is a name. It's
Speaker 1: funny that you you you started off with this one, Katie,
Speaker 1: because I had a name for Tampa Bay too. How
Speaker 1: about Jonathan Taylor in the second round at forty five.
Speaker 1: If he's there at forty five, the Wisconsin running back,
Speaker 1: comparing him not only with a new offensive tackle, with
Speaker 1: the weapons they already have in the wide receiving corps.
Speaker 1: And then you add a slot guy with Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, your team forty five Burger and
Speaker 1: you're you're moving things down to Tampa Bay with when
Speaker 1: you're cooking with gas. Yeah, I think some of those
Speaker 1: running backs for sure makes sense for Tampa Bay. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much they're gonna rely on Ronald Jones
Speaker 1: again from USC and that's Jeff's guy, but thinks that's dude,
Speaker 1: that's a draft with like I feel bad about. I
Speaker 1: thought Ronald Jones was great. I'm I would not working
Speaker 1: out in Tampa. He went to a place that didn't
Speaker 1: have an offensive line though, you know that's that does matter.
Speaker 1: You know, where are your drafting matters. I think I've
Speaker 1: got Clyde Edwards, Hilaria Fabellish here. To Kansas City that
Speaker 1: would be fun, But to Tampa Bay he would be
Speaker 1: fun as well. I think that makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense if he's on the board at forty five, and
Speaker 1: I don't know that he will be, but if he
Speaker 1: is on the board at forty five, that's another match fit.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what this segment's all about, finding magical fits.
Speaker 1: I want to throw this one out there for you guys, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I'll rope you into the mix here. How about Michael
Speaker 1: Pittman to Baltimore? They got Marquis Brown. Then after that
Speaker 1: it's Miles Boykin, Lily Sneidh, Michael Pittman, a little bigger
Speaker 1: body guy, reliable guy for Lamar Jackson, along with Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that fit? I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I think Michael Pittman with anyone's a great fit. Though,
Speaker 1: because for me, let me double check that I'm not
Speaker 1: lying to you, Jeff, I got Stones. Michael Pittman's top
Speaker 1: five receiver in this class for me, So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: Baltimore would be fun to add the big body. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna call him possession receiver because he's better than that.
Speaker 1: To add that's what I've got with the tight ends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think that's a fun fit. You know who
Speaker 1: else might be fun in Baltimore? What about Laviska Chenault? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think he would be extremely fun. Yes, where you're
Speaker 1: just had bits right, you got your deep threat, you
Speaker 1: got tight ends, your quarterbacks running, You're handing off to
Speaker 1: this guy and then oh look, one of the maybe
Speaker 1: the best guy with the bald his hands in the
Speaker 1: entire class is now my jet sweep and screen. And
Speaker 1: that would be a really fun fit to me. How
Speaker 1: about this will run here to the twenties. Jeff Gladney
Speaker 1: f TCU to Minnesota. They're relying on Mike Cues a lot,
Speaker 1: Holton Hill. We know Mike Zimber loves his defensive backs.
Speaker 1: Jeff Gladney to Minnesota with one of their picks in
Speaker 1: the twenties. They pick at twenty two and twenty five,
Speaker 1: and I feel like they're probably gonna think wide receiver
Speaker 1: maybe Edges in there in their mixed but they needed
Speaker 1: some cover guys too. I think Gladney that's a pretty
Speaker 1: good spot for him, and he's my cornerback too. I
Speaker 1: know it's not that way for everyone else, but I
Speaker 1: think that makes a lot of sense in the twenties.
Speaker 1: I don't think Trevon Diggs is a good fit there,
Speaker 1: given the Stefan asked his way out of town. That
Speaker 1: just seems like one of the weird absolutely written in stone,
Speaker 1: like the Vikings have basically thrown off all of their
Speaker 1: old quarterbacks, and zimmer loves drafting cornerbacks anyway, like he's
Speaker 1: done it in most of his drafts in Minnesota. The
Speaker 1: fact that they have two first round picks, like I
Speaker 1: have to believe one of them is going to be
Speaker 1: a cornerback at some sort. I don't love the player
Speaker 1: that I'm about to talk about, But the Packers at
Speaker 1: thirty need inside linebacker help amidst a million other things.
Speaker 1: But I don't see Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray being
Speaker 1: there at thirty. So with Blake Martinez from Stanford leaving
Speaker 1: to go to the Giants, I've got Evan Weaver of California,
Speaker 1: a day three type guy. Maybe he ends up having
Speaker 1: to go around three or four. Evan Weaver of California
Speaker 1: to the Packers for the inside linebackers, they don't get
Speaker 1: their choice of Murray or Queen. I misheard you and
Speaker 1: thought you were doing that in the first round and
Speaker 1: I was about to lose my mind. Oh okay, no
Speaker 1: later on. Just a good fit. Yeah, Henry Ruggs did
Speaker 1: Denver working opposite of Courtland Sutton. Oh, that would be nice.
Speaker 1: You drew back a little bit of a target the
Speaker 1: throw too great? Drew Luck. Okay, So that's that's the
Speaker 1: thing that that falls faster than anything else this year,
Speaker 1: right is Drew Luck? Yes? Why would you put that
Speaker 1: on him? He was great? All evidence points to greatness
Speaker 1: in the NFL so far, Gardner Minshire was great for
Speaker 1: three weeks too. We're banking on him, man, that's their guy.
Speaker 1: They're tanking Baltimore. Hey, I know we already did Baltimore,
Speaker 1: but doesn't Baltimore also seemed like the kind of place
Speaker 1: where somebody like, let's say, either in the first round
Speaker 1: Zach Bond or in the second round Josh Ucci out
Speaker 1: of Michigan, Like that's where your kind of hybrid guy
Speaker 1: ends up getting twelve sacks a year is in Baltimore. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like Baltimore just collects promising pastors and developed them,
Speaker 1: like year in and year out. They don't always work
Speaker 1: out there. I mean Tim Williams didn't really hasn't done much. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and Zach Bond fell to twenty eight whenever we were
Speaker 1: doing our mock draft a couple of weeks ago. So
Speaker 1: I think it's not out of the question that he
Speaker 1: would be there at twenty eight. And they may stock
Speaker 1: by all a couple of stat of a couple of
Speaker 1: kind of twinter linebacker edge rushers. I have two more,
Speaker 1: I'll be quick. One has cowboy ramifications. C. J. Henderson
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. If you look at it, that Patrick
Speaker 1: Peterson contracts about to come up, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: probably time or getting cohost to tend to move on
Speaker 1: from him. Anyways, top ten, if that's where Henderson's gonna go,
Speaker 1: I think that's the spot. I think, you know, Jacksonville
Speaker 1: might make sense there as well, but I think the
Speaker 1: Cardinals and CJ. Henderson could make a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: and maybe they attack offensive line later on in the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean it's other one. No, no, the last one.
Speaker 1: Do the last one? Sorry? Well, my other one is
Speaker 1: we were talking about him in the top twenty and
Speaker 1: then horrible combine. The Giants are gonna pick again in
Speaker 1: the second round, right pretty quickly. Aj Eponessa from Iowa,
Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense in New York.
Speaker 1: I think that makes a ton of sense because most
Speaker 1: likely what are they going to go in the first round.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go probably offensive line, maybe pick up a
Speaker 1: player that's not an edge rusher overall. And then you
Speaker 1: add a guy who had some high expectations going into
Speaker 1: the season and then kind of laid it, laid it
Speaker 1: on the floor whenever he comes to the NFL combine
Speaker 1: and the measurables that he put up. But I like
Speaker 1: that Actually, Katie, whenever you're talking about edge rusher and
Speaker 1: epina for the Giant, that's an interesting The Cardinals pick
Speaker 1: is interesting to me. I just actually yesterday I finished
Speaker 1: something I'm working on for the site. I redrafted the
Speaker 1: twenty eleven NFL draft just to see, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was such a stacked draft and just to kind of
Speaker 1: see how you would reevaluate it. And Patrick Peterson is
Speaker 1: a perfect quarillary, Like he's been a great player, arguably
Speaker 1: like Hall of Fame level, but it's hard to lift
Speaker 1: a team from the cornerback position when you don't have
Speaker 1: that much help. I actually, in a redraft, I had
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith going top five to the Cardinals to help
Speaker 1: their quarter I'm just saying it makes a lot wh
Speaker 1: wouldn't you rig it for the Cowboys because that's not
Speaker 1: the point of the exercise, Jeffrey, But yeah, jeff it
Speaker 1: just makes so much sense to help Kyler Murray with
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle rather. I mean, not that C. J.
Speaker 1: Henderson is in the hell of a player, but like,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is what's going to make that team good,
Speaker 1: and so I'm trying to give him as much help
Speaker 1: as possible. If it's me forty Burgers, take another receiver.
Speaker 1: Now I've got I've gotta receive a perfect fit. I've
Speaker 1: got a receiver for a perfect thick. How about this
Speaker 1: you talked about the pick thirty for the Packers. How
Speaker 1: about throwing Jalen Rager in there and letting Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: throw to Jalen Raiger out of the slot and have
Speaker 1: a burner who can actually catch the football as opposed
Speaker 1: to kJ Hamler. And then another one that I had
Speaker 1: was Josh Jones, the offensive tackle out of Houston, going
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles at thirty six early in the second round.
Speaker 1: You talk about a team that's most likely gonna snag
Speaker 1: their franchise quarterback in the first round, then you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to protect them, and why not do it with
Speaker 1: one of the biggest value picks that you could potentially
Speaker 1: have whenever it comes to the second round. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some good offensive tackles in the mix.
Speaker 1: And while we're on that page, Kyla, I'll tell this
Speaker 1: out there. I actually talked about this one with our
Speaker 1: buddy Dane Now last week. Yeah, the Browns and Ezra Cleveland,
Speaker 1: So you would have a Cleveland and Cleveland situation. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there's pretty good fit that you kind of have to do.
Speaker 1: They really don't have a choice like that. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well there's a in there, a DJ Dallas that we
Speaker 1: could potentially pick up in Miami. That could be he's
Speaker 1: a good your little player. There's there's Dallas. Is fun
Speaker 1: is there? Let's go sell some jerseys. Let's put those together.
Speaker 1: How about that. We're already doing that. We gave a
Speaker 1: lineback rick contract. Wow, that was a low blow, but
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