1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Breedings, 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: I am Ben. Is the tiny pine cone shaped gland 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: in the middle of your head a gateway to alternate realities, 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: perhaps to an inner spiritual place? Or is it just 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: your body's ingenious way of manufacturing your sleep cycle and 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: monitoring it, or maybe is it something in between that's 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: today on stuff they don't want me to know. I 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: like that intro quite a bit that that's exactly what 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're talking about the pineal gland. And 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: to follow up then, I guess one thing that we 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: could say is that it's totally understandable that people would 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: think of it as a third eye. You and I 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: recently did a couple of videos on the pineal gland, 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: something we had returned to remember very early in our days. 18 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: We did a fluoride episode, yes, and the paneo land 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: was right at the center of that episode. And the 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: pineal gland is, as you said, a pine cone shaped organ. 21 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: It swings above its weight class in terms of performance 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: in the body and the brain, because it produces two 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: very important hormones, uh, serotonin and melatonin. And I think 24 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: we say in the video that melanin and melatonin are 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: very different. So don't get him mixed up. Oh yeah, 26 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with the pigmentation on your skin. 27 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: It's just it's the melotonin is the thing that doesn't 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: it get your body into a sleep state or or 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: it coaxes your body towards a sleep state. Yeah, it 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: tells your body naptime. Yea is essentially what it does. 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: And one thing that really interested you and me about 32 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: this is that the pineal gland, even though it's inside 33 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: the brain, is actually able to sense and react to light. Yeah, 34 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: it's an it's an iPhone. It's not an old flip phone. 35 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: It's got some new features. Yeah, but they're actually really 36 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: old features. They're just upgrades, I guess. Yeah. Really, well, 37 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: you know that is a way to say it, because 38 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: we do know that some animals uh have have a 39 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: similar thing that we should differentiate. Now, there's the parietal eye, 40 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: which you also hear called the third eye. It's associated 41 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: with the pineal gland, and it's present in some animal species, 42 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: like there's a their reptiles have uh well developed third eyes, lizards, frogs, 43 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: land praise. You can see pictures of amphibians that have 44 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: a lot of frogs that have a bridal eye and 45 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of weird looking, just looks like a tiny 46 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: little dot in the middle of their their what would 47 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: be their foreheads. Also able to sense light, and we 48 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: talked about we talked about how for thousands of years, 49 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: very smart people have been breaking their heads against the 50 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: wall to figure out what the panel glant is, right, Yeah, yeah, 51 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: it's well, it's a fascinating thing. We're always looking for 52 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: that that exit into the other realities. Um, I don't know. 53 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: It seems it seems like it could be a key. 54 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: It could be, but there are no definitive answers yet. 55 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot of research going into it, but I 56 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: don't know what we'll have to find out. But let's 57 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: explore what we know. Okay, Well, yeah, so we know 58 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: that it's as we said, it's pretty small in adult humans. 59 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: It's a little under a centimeter in length or point 60 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: three inches. Uh. It weighs about point one grams, So 61 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: it's not it's not something that you would immediately notice 62 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: if you happen to be um opening up someone's head 63 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: for the first time and digging around. Uh, you know, 64 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: just in case you're doing that now and you're like, guys, 65 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: where's the pineal gland. I'm in a hurry. Um, We'll 66 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: go towards the center and look for that little what 67 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: it's like I've heard I've heard it say it's the 68 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: size of a grain of rice, but it's a little 69 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: bigger than that. But still it's it seems rather insignificant 70 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,559 Speaker 1: when you are looking at the structure of the brain. 71 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: So we do know that the pineal gland is an 72 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: indocrine gland or an endocrine oregon, but we also know 73 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: that it's pretty enigmatic. It's kind of a shady neighborhood 74 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: of your brain because it is associated with a lot 75 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: of mental functions that modern science still does not understand. 76 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: One of those big ones would be sleep. You know, 77 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: like it's it's um. A lot of different neurological factors 78 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: are involved in sleep and physical factors as well. But 79 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: if we think of sleep as like the the heist 80 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: or the object of a heist film, then the panel 81 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: gland is totally in that Ocean's eleven crew like it's 82 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: it's a key player, got a little too far down 83 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: the street for that. Well, yeah, I was thinking about 84 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: sleep as one of the main mysteries here, just sleep 85 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: in general, and why animals need this RESTful cycle, And 86 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: there's a ton of research going into this and and 87 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: just what the heck is it? Why do we need 88 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: it to happen? And it turns out, at least from 89 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: some of the current research, that sleep is highly important 90 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: for a brain's functioning because it is it's it's essentially 91 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: strengthening the connections that you made throughout the day, kind 92 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: of organizing the information that you took in creating or 93 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: I guess strengthening the memories that you've created in that day. 94 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: And it's really strange the way your brain then connects 95 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: new ideas up to the established ideas that you already have. 96 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: It's freaking fascinating it and it really reminds me of 97 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: defragging a hard drive, making sure all of the all 98 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: of the bits and data are put together in the 99 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: right place. And I think that's a fantastic point that 100 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: we should consider there with with sleep, because everything you 101 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: said is true. It's absolutely true that we have some 102 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: very good guesses. Um. I I also tend to believe 103 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: the memory encoding part um, but we don't know entirely 104 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: what sleep does like completely. I think that the memory 105 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: encoding part especially with that comparison of defragging a hard drive, 106 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: is absolutely spot on. We know that we know that 107 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: the need for sleep varies according to age, Like very 108 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: young babies will sleep in around twenty hours every twenty 109 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: four hours, which has got to be refreshing to a 110 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: lot of parents, right. And we know that as people 111 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: age they get into this period where they're somewhere between 112 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: seven and nine or six and nine. And then as 113 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: you become older and I mean like elderly, not late 114 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: middle age, but as you become an elderly person, then 115 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: you can often sleep less and less. So we know 116 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: that without melatonin, sleep is a very difficult process. We 117 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: know that sleep is also a way that our body 118 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: can rest itself because you know, if you think about it, 119 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this before. Man, if 120 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: you think about it, sleep is just to me phenomenally irritating. 121 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: I hate sleep that you that you have to get yes, 122 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: And I'm beholden to this bag of humanity that I'm 123 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm currently residing in I guess. Uh, you know how 124 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: strange is it if you have to explain sleep to 125 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: an alien species? You're so tired of this what you've 126 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: heard it? Okay, all right, so here you go while 127 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: you meet some aliens, uh, take me or a leader 128 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: or whatnot, and then uh you take them to your leader. 129 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: But the leader has to go to sleep, right, And 130 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: so the aliens say what's going on? And you say, oh, well, 131 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: here on earth, Um, you know, we're pretty normal. Every 132 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: every couple of hours or so, Uh, we just lose consciousness, 133 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: lose control of our body, and we vividly hallucinate. And 134 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: then sometimes we wake up. We don't know what really happened. 135 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: Got to get some coffee and then just start the 136 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: whole process over again. Yeah, and then we have, you know, 137 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: another set of hours before the hallucinations begin, and uh, 138 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: it's change. But it is it is true that sleep 139 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: is necessary, like just for a quick sidebar. Um. You 140 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: know we've talked about the DARPA research another like the 141 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: Uberman sleep cycle. Um, what's your take on that stuff? 142 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: The Uberman sleep cycle? Oh man, Okay, so I have 143 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: not attempted to change my sleep cycle up. Well, okay, 144 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: I have not been successful in any attempts to change 145 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: my sleep cycle. I I did try it one time 146 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: after you and I spoke. Actually, uh, and I don't 147 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: know it just I couldn't get my body too. I 148 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: couldn't get my mind and my body to sync up, 149 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: and I would I'd just be groggy all the time. 150 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: And in theory, when you change your sleep cycle into 151 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: the uber what is it called uberman, I think it's 152 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: subman uberman. Uh. That's when you take you take like 153 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: twenty minute naps at certain times during the day and 154 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: then another one fairly long sleep cycle or I don't 155 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: know exactly. I know there are different iterations. Yeah, but yeah, 156 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: I tried the one where you just sleep for twenty minutes, 157 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: then you're up for two three hours and you sleep 158 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: for twenty minutes. Oh that's hardcore, Matt. Yeah, that that 159 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: didn't work out so well that my wife out sing 160 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: me that I I'm glad you made it because that 161 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: seems really difficult. That was one that was really difficult 162 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: for me to try. For a very long time. I 163 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: did two four hour cycles, okay, um, which is sort 164 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: of the beginner of the Uberman, so I jumped into defend. 165 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that. That was my fault, and 166 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: to be fair, dark Souls came out and I really 167 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: wanted to play it for as many hours as I could. 168 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: Oh weird. You were in a nightmare space soon as 169 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: intense between waking in reality and um. Your paneel gland, 170 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: with sensing light at various times that it may not 171 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: have been used to, was probably scrambling to adjust to 172 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: this as well. Right, your circadian rhythm felt a little off, 173 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: it was, Hey, are to be sure? Thank you for 174 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: bringing us back by the way, No, no, no, this 175 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: this is a good question though, because what if what 176 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: if we were in those situations and our pinel glands 177 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: were damaged. We know that one thing that could happen, 178 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: at least in kids is that if a kid's pineal 179 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: gland is damage, whether through cancer or an injury of 180 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: some sort, then they're going to tend to enter puberty earlier. Really, yes, really, 181 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: because the panel gland appears to play a major role 182 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: in sexual development as well also a hibernation. If if 183 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: you're someone who says the Uberman sleep cycles the opposite 184 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: direction where I want to go on a lump sum 185 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: all my sleep over winter. Jeez yeah, give me four 186 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: weeks please, thanks. Wow, that would be weird. Would you 187 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: do that? Oh? I don't think so. I don't think 188 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: I can handle it. I if there were a scientific 189 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: way to sort of make a lumps leap payment, then 190 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: I would do it. Oh, that's fantastic. I don't know. 191 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: I I they'd have to put some sort of limit 192 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: on how long you could do it or else. You 193 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: have people rip van winkling, like seven years of sleep. 194 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and if you have any kind of responsibilities 195 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: in your life whatsoever, you just can't do it. There's 196 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: no way that's right. Sorry, kids, I'm gonna be gone 197 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: for four months and then I'll have my eye on 198 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: you all the time. That's pretty best up. Just stock 199 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of pop tarts up, leave the kids on 200 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: their own. We also know that the panel gland can uh. 201 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: There's some pretty strong evidence that the pineal gland can 202 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: influence the action of some drugs like antidepressants and Tony 203 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: Montana's favorite cocaine. So this brings us to um, let's see, 204 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: that's all I've got about what we know the panel 205 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: gland does. And there's a lot of other stuff too. Okay, Yeah, 206 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: that so the big thing the takeaway here is neo 207 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: gland helps regulate regulate sleep, and it's important. It's really 208 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: important for that because sleep, as we found out, if 209 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: you don't get enough sleep, there are some crazy things 210 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: that can go on inside your brain. There's some neurological 211 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: problems that you can find, um just from the effects 212 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: of insomnia. So it's important, it's crucial. We've established this. 213 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: Now let's get a little crazy. Ben, absolutely, Matt, let's 214 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: get crazy with it all right, before we jump in 215 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: head first to all of the interesting fringe ideas surrounding 216 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: the panel. Plant, I think it's time for a word 217 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. 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The makers 252 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: of their red glasses are not responsible for re verse osmosis, 253 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: m opia, use a bivocal shattered lenses, his line to 254 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: children kicking puppies, misapprehending police forces, ongoing litigation in foreign contries, myopia, dystopia, dyslexia, interrexia, 255 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: misapprehending the path of a boomerang u original cartoon idea 256 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: CD and T overdoses peneo gland deposits florida, decreation, calcium 257 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: and creation, potassium, pobia or magnesium in all of its forms. 258 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: The third classes are division of elimination, Global elimited. Wow, 259 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: I didn't even know those glasses existed. Again, I'm just 260 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: glad that we have a sponsor. So yeah, I had. 261 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: I had not heard that ad before. That's an interesting one. 262 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: Did you catch the last part? The little legal leads 263 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: that they spent up at the end there. Oh, come on, man, 264 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: every everything has something like that. I'm sure like the 265 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: Slinky had some pretty extensive one. Mean to I heard 266 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: something about boomerangs, but I don't know boomerangs. Maybe there 267 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: was something in there about boomerangs. I'll listen to it again. 268 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: But if it isn't there, I'm sure there's a reason. 269 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: There could be nothing nefarious with Illumination Global Unlimited. That's 270 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: that's fine now. And according to us statistic that I 271 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: made up just now, um, literally tens of dozens of 272 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: people may have died due to boomerangs. That's pretty grim. 273 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: But h that was a little bit weird, And it's 274 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: a good segue to talk about some of the things 275 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: that are more odd or controversial about the pineal glands 276 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: because Matt, as we said, people around the world do 277 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: and have believe for some time that it's a seat 278 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: of spirituality. But there's something else there too. Uh. There's 279 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: the belief that fluoride can accumulate in the panel gland 280 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: and cripple its function, right, can calcify it? This is 281 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: this is really interesting to me. This is one of 282 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: the first things that we ever covered as a show. 283 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: I think it was episode six five or six or 284 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: something where we discussed fluoridation of water specifically in the 285 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: United States, and uh, the legal battles that were going 286 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: on in order to make that happen. What kind of 287 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: fluoride is actually going into the water, right, because, as 288 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people are unaware, there are multiple types 289 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: of fluoride. I went to the dentist just the other 290 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: day and I was looking through some of their coal gate, 291 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: the bottles of coal gate that they give away for 292 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: free when you go and see the dentist, and one 293 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: of them had or there I looked at three separate ones, 294 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: and all three had different types of fluoride. Only one 295 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: of them used sodium fluoride um. One of them was 296 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: monofloor monofluoro phosphate or something like that, and then there 297 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: was another one. But anyway, it was just it was 298 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: fascinating to me to see even now fluoride products or 299 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: have varying different types of fluoride in them, right. Yeah, 300 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: and for most I would say it's fair to say 301 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: that from most consumers, at least in the United States, 302 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: when you think of fluoride, you think of just one thing, yes, 303 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: sodium floor, right, is what is the common one, right, 304 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: the clinical grade or whatever it's called. But we also 305 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: know that in fluoridated water systems there is a different 306 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: type of fluoride involved in there, and a lot of 307 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: times it's it's kind of a what do we what 308 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: do we call it? It's a byproduct of factories sometimes 309 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: of different processes. Yeah, opponents of fluoridation have a couple 310 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: of a couple of things that that I would say, 311 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: our bones to pick about the production of fluoride itself, 312 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: the kind of splint the water supply, and that's stuff 313 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: from the phosphate industry, or during the early days of 314 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: atomic bomb construction, uh, the radioactive materials the manufacturing process 315 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: resulted in fluoride as a byproduct. So the question then became, 316 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: was this actually good for the human population to put 317 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: it in the water or was it instead sort of 318 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: a a ploy by an industry or by government in 319 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:15,239 Speaker 1: order to repress knowledge of building these atomic weapons, or uh, 320 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: just to circumvent e p A regulations that otherwise would 321 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: have been quite expensive. Yeah, rather than having to pay 322 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: to have these chemicals disposed of somewhere, why not let's 323 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: get paid to put it into the water source. As 324 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: a benefit. I really don't know how I feel about 325 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: this subject, Ben, because when we were even then, back 326 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: in the day, when we were going over this stuff, 327 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: it was very difficult, or at least I found it 328 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: difficult to find unbiased sources um for for really anything 329 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: about this subject. Uh really, what is it for? An 330 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: Action Network was one of the places we found, and 331 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just obviously against it. I don't know 332 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: where that money is coming from to fund that thing 333 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, they're against floridation there. Fluoride Action Network 334 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: does sound like a dynamic name that could go either way, 335 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: but they're definitely against fluoridation in the water system, primarily because, 336 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: according to them, there are numerous health concerns that aren't addressed. 337 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: They're not talking so much about um specifically panel gland 338 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: damage in a spiritual sense, which we will find in 339 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: some conspiracy theories, but they're talking more about possible developmental damage. 340 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: And one of the one of the biggest arguments there 341 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: is that there we the average public person doesn't know 342 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: where this floriade is coming from. And secondly that there 343 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: are not enough cohesive studies on the events. And I 344 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: love that you said it was difficult to find um 345 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: unbiased sources because this is an incredibly contentious subject, so 346 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: much so that you and I are probably getting hate 347 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: mail from people on both sides of the argument us 348 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: by bringing it up, which really says something. And people 349 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: who consider themselves skeptics or debunkers will argue that the 350 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: that this is all alarmism right there, sensationalism, and that 351 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: fluoride in the water itself is a benefit, as the 352 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: American Dental Association argues, because it lessens the um was, 353 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: it lessens the development of cavities or the development of 354 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: tooth decay UM. And usually when people say this, they're 355 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: very angry about it, and I'm not I'm not sure 356 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: why they're so very angry about it, but boy they 357 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: are steamed. And this of course happens on the other 358 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: side as well. My primary issue as an individual only 359 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: with fluoridation is that with it in regardless of what 360 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: the PPM or part pavilion is UM, it's very difficult 361 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: to control a dose. If it is something like if 362 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: we consider this like a medicine right or a health benefit, 363 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: then it's very difficult to say, uh, you know, you 364 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: can only have this much in your system at any 365 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: given time, and you add to that toothpaste. A lot 366 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: of people who have brown stains on their teeth, and 367 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, they don't drink coffee or tea, and they 368 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: don't smoke cigarettes or something else. What they end up 369 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: doing is getting these brown stains from a condition called fluorosis, 370 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: which happens because of you have to watch florid. Sorry, yeah, 371 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: you think it's the opposite, but too much floride discolors 372 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: your teeth. Well I okay, So the biggest thing that 373 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: we couldn't find is a scientific study that shows the 374 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: calcification or the pinel the fluoride build up inside the 375 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: pineal gland. At least, I was completely unable to find 376 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: and anything a scientific study on this where it's repeatable, 377 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: and that to me, right there is kind of a 378 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: red flag. Um, yeah there is. That's that's at least 379 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: in humans, I should say, Ah, yeah, okay, that's a 380 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: good point. We have seen some studies that have linked 381 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: the accumulation of fluoride but also of calcium with age. 382 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: And there's one study that's often um that's often posted, 383 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: I believe by an author named Jennifer Luke, and in 384 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: this study she linked fluoride accumulation in the paneel gland, 385 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: but she did it by looking at the eleven cadavers 386 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: and they were elderly. So there's not there's not a 387 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: long term study of a person's brain, which would be 388 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: pretty expensive. Here, well, and here's the thing, how do 389 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: you even do that? Are I guess it's just m 390 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: R after m R I or UM. I don't even 391 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: know if that would be the correct thing to use. 392 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: But just studying someone's brain for the entirety of their life, 393 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: and you'd have to do it on numerous people, right, yeah, exactly. 394 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: So I've got a little bit about Dr Luke's research. Um. 395 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: This is written by a professor named Paul Kannit at St. 396 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: Lawrence University in two thousand and one, and Dr Khannitt 397 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: says that Luke had a couple of things she found 398 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: out about the panel gland. She said, this little gland 399 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: in the center of the brain is responsible for a 400 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: lot of stuff we know that. She also found it 401 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: was a calcifying tissue like teeth and bones, so she 402 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: hypothesized that it would concentrate fluoride to noticeably high levels 403 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: because it's not protected by a blood brain barrier and 404 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: it has what's called a high profusion rate of blood 405 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: and that second only to the kidney. So she found 406 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: how levels of fluoride in these eleven cadavers. But there's 407 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: some other stuff that we saw have to deal with, 408 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: you know, is this is this something that would just 409 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: naturally accumulate in someone as they age? To what degree 410 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: does fluoride inhibit the functions of the pineal gland and 411 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: which functions specifically does it inhibit? Now, I'm sure for 412 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially some of our younger listeners, 413 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: the idea of reaching and going through puberty sooner might 414 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: sound just just great. You know, I don't know. Maybe 415 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: it takes all types right, But is there is there 416 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: a biological price paid for that later? It's interesting. It 417 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: takes me back to what you were talking we were 418 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: talking about sleep earlier, when we were talking about is 419 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: you get older you need less and less sleep? And 420 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: if I want, I wonder if there is a connection 421 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: there with the calcifying of your pineal gland. It's function 422 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: style is working so well, and I wonder if your 423 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: body kind of is making up for that in requiring 424 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: less sleep because you're maybe your melatonin just isn't what 425 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: it used to be. Interesting hypothesis there, Matt, that's not 426 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: that's a that's something I'd like to hear more about. 427 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: Also from our listeners. We have to talk about some 428 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: other ideas about the panel Gland. I know my favorite one. 429 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: What is it? D m T Ah? Yes, d M 430 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: T and and okay, so lay it on me. What 431 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: what's the gist? Well, I learned about this when I 432 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: watched a trailer for a movie called The Spirit molecula documentary, 433 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: and it's discussing whether or not the panel Gland releases 434 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: small amounts of d m T during your sleep cycle, 435 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: and that basically the ideas that or the thought, the 436 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: original thought is that maybe that's why we hallucinate and 437 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: have these insane dreams sometimes that don't make any sense 438 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: this way or that. Uh. And is it because we 439 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: are tripping when we're sleeping? Yeah? And d m T 440 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: uh is the more casual name for die methyl trip 441 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: to mean this. This hypothesis is it was for a 442 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: long time fringy and controversial and it's still very controversial. 443 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: By a guy named Rick Strassman is one of the 444 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: main proponents of this um who also had the idea 445 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: that you get this rush of d m T when 446 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: you're dying, right, the final moments of death are that 447 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: that's fascinating to me, the idea that it's kind of 448 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: it never ends. Didn't Altice Huxley get shot up with 449 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: hallucinogens before, like as he died. I remember hearing about that, 450 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: but I haven't read I haven't read any official accounts. 451 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: Well maybe that's a story for another day. But for 452 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: a long time this was very controversial. It remains it's controversial. Um. 453 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: But there have been uh there's been at least one 454 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: study done that I know of, which showed that uh 455 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: rats seem to produce some amount of d m T 456 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: uh naturally. And we know how dangerous it is to say, 457 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: well it happened to a rat, so clearly it happens 458 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: to every other animal. But it is an indication that 459 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 1: more research is needed at the very least. Ye, So 460 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: one of the one of the more fascinating things that 461 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: you can find when you're when you start researching d 462 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: m T in the panel gland you get you eventually 463 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: get to or maybe even start near ayahuasca and its 464 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: use in tribal regions and the certain religions in South 465 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: America and other places. Um which is ahuasca is essentially 466 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: d MT and a couple of other substances mixed together, 467 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: and it produces a very strong hallucinating trip where in 468 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: these in these cultures it's used as a spiritual journey 469 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: as a way to kind of conquered internal demons. And 470 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: when you when you pair that up with kind of 471 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: the fascination and fears of the soul in the afterlife 472 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: in the Western world, I think that right there is 473 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: ultimately the the fascination, the reason that people really really 474 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: want to know more about this in the pineal gland 475 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: and what the heck is it? And is it really 476 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: a key? Ah? Yeah, that's that's part of the part 477 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: of the ongoing search, as you say, for the soul. Yeah. Well, 478 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: the basically the idea is, well, do they know something 479 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: that we don't know? Or have have we forgotten something? Yeah, 480 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: And a lot of people do believe that's true for 481 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: one reason or another. This calls to mind one of 482 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: my favorite phrases. I I can't remember who said this. 483 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: It was either an artist or neuroscientist, very sure close 484 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: or than you would think. Sometimes, Uh, the the idea 485 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: was that, um, the more we search for the human soul, 486 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: the less we find of its existence. But the longer 487 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: we search, the more that search itself seems to indicate 488 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: that something's there. Well you know what I mean. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 489 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: so you can't you can't find the hard evidence, but 490 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: oh yeah, but you're there's still this sort of undeniable 491 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: There's this innevitable need for a for the conscious mind too, 492 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,239 Speaker 1: to somehow understand what exists past it or beyond it, 493 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's a worthwhile endeavor. I also think 494 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: that we should mention that the pineal gland has been 495 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: linked to people who claim to be able to travel astralely. 496 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: So if you like, if you like, Matt and I 497 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: are fans of those Mysteries of the Unknown time life 498 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: books and the Unsolved Mystery Show and things like that. 499 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: One of the things that happens when people who talk 500 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: about astral travel is that they often depict themselves as 501 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: rising in an incorporeal form that's linked somehow by by 502 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: this um intangible tendril right back to their back to 503 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: their actual body, And often this is depicted as a 504 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: tendril connecting pituitary gland to the where it would be 505 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: in the spiritual body. And we don't just mean um 506 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: fictionalized accounts of of astral travel. We're also talking about 507 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, stargate researchers and most notably Ingo Swan. I 508 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: think there are accounts of this, real, real accounts of 509 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: people trying to do this. One last thing I want 510 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: to talk about, ben is the symbolism of the pine 511 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 1: cone and whether or not it has anything to do 512 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: with the peel gland, and if it does, why the 513 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: heck are there so many pine cones in ancient symbology. Ah? Nice, 514 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: good catch. I can't believe we almost missed that one. 515 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: Well just uh, and I just have a couple of 516 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: things here, and if maybe give me some thoughts on that, 517 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: if if you don't mind so u you you know 518 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: what anchor watt looks like in Cambodia anchor watt, And 519 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: if you don't know what that looks like, and you're 520 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: listening this, put a N G K O R W 521 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: A T into a search engine and look at the 522 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: spires on this old, ancient, ancient temple. They don't necessarily 523 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: look exactly like a pineel gland, but I've seen it 524 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: referenced many times that this structure is really important, the 525 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: structure of these spires. Then you go to a freemasonry 526 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've you've been to the Fox Theater, right, Yes, 527 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: So in Atlanta there's the Fox Theater. It used to 528 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: be a Masonic lodge, and it still looks like one. 529 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: It really looks like one, and not in this building 530 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: in particular, but there are several other Masonic buildings in 531 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: Atlanta and other places that use the pine cone. A 532 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: lot of times you'll see them on the ceiling um 533 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: with a of light fixture or just a piece of 534 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: metal hanging down, and it's a pine cone. It's absolutely 535 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: a pine cone. Then you go to the Vatican and 536 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: you look at let's say, the Pope's staff that has 537 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: a pine cone on it, or maybe you go out 538 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: into the Belvidere courtyard and you check out this ancient 539 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: Roman fountain fountain that's sitting there, and it's a giant 540 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: pine cone. You know, when you when you go into 541 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: these conspiracy theories as we do, you you start symbols 542 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: are highly important, or they seem to be very important. 543 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder again, is there something that 544 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: these guys know about this pine cone that I don't know, man, 545 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: or is it just a symbol of releasing seeds and 546 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: harvest and you know, the flow of life? Maybe? Well, 547 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: all that's a great question, a great series of questions. 548 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: All of the especially in the ancient world, all of 549 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: the symbols used have significance. Um, this was you know, 550 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: if we look back, just from a technological perspective, people 551 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: didn't have the ability or the luxury of making um 552 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: disposable arts, you know, and so why would you waste 553 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: your time on a meaningless embellishment? So we do know 554 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: that uh, symbols of any sort have incredible significance, especially 555 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: the further back those symbols go. Um. We could have 556 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: a whole conversation about obelisk in a different episode. But 557 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: the the question then becomes, um, you know, what does 558 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: this signify? Um? What if anything doesn't mean in the 559 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: modern day? And I think that's an interesting question, but 560 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: I haven't in my own research, I haven't found much 561 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: more than something pointing out the the idea of this. 562 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: And there could definitely be a correlation because Plato is 563 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: talking about the panel Gland, as did Renee Descartes, and UM, 564 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: a couple of other notable intellectuals. Uh, decart actually believe 565 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: that it was the seat of the human soul. UM. 566 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: So maybe there is more to that symbolism than we know. 567 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: But at this point, Matt, I have to ask you 568 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 1: some stuff. All right, where can people go to learn 569 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: more about the panel gland? Well, if you want to 570 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: go hardcore science, the first place that I would go 571 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: is the Journal of Panel Research, which is part of 572 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: the Wily Online Library. UM. This is primarily studying studying 573 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: the melotonin aspects of the panel gland, but there's some 574 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: fascinating stuff in there. It's updated all the time. Every 575 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: once in a while you'll get a free article, but 576 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: most of it is you have to pay to read 577 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: the entire article, but you can get an abstract and 578 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 1: kind of see the ideas that are being looked at UM. 579 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: So that's fascinating. If you want to hear people talk 580 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: about this kind of thing. UM, if you're not already 581 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: subscribed to the Joe Rogan Experience, to do that now 582 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: and listen to Rogan and his friends talk about weird stuff. 583 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: It's pretty great. Also, The Duncan Trust All Family our 584 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: podcast that's where I end up all the time when 585 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: i'm editing. Oh, I have a contribution here. If you're 586 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: a fan of our show and you haven't already subscribed 587 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: to Stuff to Blow your mind, you're welcome. You'll love it. 588 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: They have an episode on the panel Gland. Uh. They 589 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: also are fellow monster enthusiasts, so they cover a lot 590 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: of stuff about monsters as well, and they get weird 591 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: with it. So check out their podcast, which is free, 592 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: and you'll hear more about this stuff. Check out our 593 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: website stuff they don't want you to know. Dot com right, 594 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: still not fired, where you can find Matt and I 595 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: getting into all sorts of online hijinks. As we're recording 596 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 1: this today, we just mocked strangled our mascot agents Scully My. 597 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: That is my favorite thing I've edited in a long time. 598 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm still really on the fence about how that's gonna 599 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: play out for us, but we'll see what people think 600 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: when we talk about that. That's on our video. Can 601 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: you get Away with Murder? Or getting away with Murder? 602 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: I believe? And Uh. In the meantime, you can find 603 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: us on Facebook and Twitter. Matt, what do you want 604 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: people to write in? And ask us about this time around. 605 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: I I want to know your thoughts on this tiny 606 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: little gland in your head. First of all, we've we've 607 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: kind of talked about it a little bit on Facebook 608 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: already with our video series. Oh you know what, I 609 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: want to know, what's what is your weirdest dream that 610 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: you've had that you think maybe attributed to the d 611 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: m T from your pineal gland? Uh? Yeah, weirdest dream 612 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: that you can recall? And do you think you had 613 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: a precognitive pre figurative dream? You know? Is is time 614 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: really a little bit more elastic rather than linear in 615 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: in uh dreamland? Ah? Interesting stuff, good question. Time travel 616 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: is my favorite thing in the world. You mean time 617 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: travel other than one second at a time forward. Yeah, 618 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 1: that's kind of boring. But and that is it for 619 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: us today. Thank you so much for listening. We hope 620 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this. We know we touched on a lot 621 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: of things, uh, and didn't dig too deep into some 622 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: of the main themes we discussed. That's because we would 623 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: like to hear from you before we jump all the 624 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: way into the deep waters on things like fluoridation and 625 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: things like astral travel. So right to us and let 626 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: us know what we should cover, how would you cover us? 627 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: How would you cover it rather? And uh, you know 628 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: it's something that you're rarely going to hear outside of 629 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: a therapy session. Tell us what you're dreaming about, and uh, 630 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: tell us the weirdest, strangest dreams you've had. 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