WEBVTT - Hillary Clinton One-On-One with Katie Couric - PART 2 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.560 Hi, everyone, I'm Kitty Kirk, and this is next question. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.800 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome former Secretary of State Hillary 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.560 Rodham Clinton and Katie Kirk, Award winning journalist and co 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:34.400 founder of Katie Kirk Media. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.320 I rewatched your concession speech to prepare for this interview, 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:45.440 and in it you said, our constitutional democracy enshrines the 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.280 peaceful transfer of power, and we don't just respect that, 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:54.480 we cherish that. I'm sure that was the hardest speech 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.000 you have ever had to give in your political career. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:03.040 But do you think we'll ever see those kinds of 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:09.800 gracious and graceful concession speeches again, like John McCain's, for example. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:15.280 Yeah, you know, Katie, I really think if we if 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.360 we do what we should do and we defeat Donald Trump, 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.440 I think we can get back to what I would 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:30.479 consider much more normal politics again, and hopefully new leaders 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:35.200 would emerge on the Republican side who would not just 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:40.200 give lip service to the constitution and the peaceful transfer 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.440 of power and everything that goes, you know, with a democracy, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:49.840 but would again model it. And you know, I am optimistic. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.080 Like my late wonderful friend Madeline Albright used to say, 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.640 she was an optimist who worries a lot, and so 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.520 that kind of describes me. I am optimist stake. I'm 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.840 optimistic about our country and its future. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.800 But it's really up to us. You know. It's Trump 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:08.839 is one person. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.040 And we are many, many millions with different you know, 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:20.240 views and backgrounds, and we want to. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.200 See the peaceful transfer of power. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.600 We want to see leaders who are in it for us, 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:28.000 not for themselves. Everything that is really at the root 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.680 of this campaign. And when I gave that concession speech, clearly, 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.240 you know, I was hoping for the best and. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:42.280 It just was not to be. And the people that. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.919 Really staffed the first Trump White House and the first 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:53.919 Trump government, they were people who had some experience. Again, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.680 I might have disagreed with them, but I've thought of 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.680 them as being you know, sensible, you know, people, people 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.040 who respected the constitution. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.520 They are all gone now. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.520 They are all supporting, you know, Kamala Harris because they 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:12.040 saw firsthand what Trump was like. And the people he 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.720 will bring in are people who are true believers, who 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:21.880 are fanatics, who want to be dictators themselves. And that's 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.040 what people have to understand. It's not just him, it's 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:29.360 that whole project twenty twenty five crowd that literally wants 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:37.440 to impose their political, partisan and religious views. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.080 On all the rest of us. And you know, I was. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:44.240 Raised to cherish, you know, the separation of church and state. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.440 These folks want to demolish it and basically tell us 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:55.000 who we are supposed to worship and how and everything else. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.240 I mean, this is dangerous, dangerous stuff. And I'm glad that, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.320 you know, Project twenty twenty five has sort of pierced 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:08.040 the you know, consciousness of the voting public, because take 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:12.240 a look at it. I mean, why would anybody advocate 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.640 for getting rid of the National Weather Service. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:22.040 Or the Department of Education, or all the civil servants. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.040 Or getting rid of all the civil servants and populating 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.320 government with you know, partisans. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.120 Having a litmus test right absolutely, And you know this 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:36.640 is he's tried to distance himself from that well unsuccessfully. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.800 And I mean just just you know, in the last 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.960 day or two a video popped up where he was 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.360 praising he was at some Heritage Foundation event praising you know, 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.680 their work and all the rest of it. You know, 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.680 I am the one who said there's a vast right 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.320 wing conspiracy in. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.120 Nineteen and. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.279 You know a lot of people laughed at me or 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:05.800 you know, said, oh my gosh, that's absolutely crazy. Well, no, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.200 it's absolutely true, and you could see it playing out. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.920 And now it's not really a conspiracy. It's all out 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.560 in public. We're going to tell you what we're going 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.520 to do to you. We're going to tell you, you know, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.039 what we expect from you. And in the book, I 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:23.479 write about waking up the day after a Trump victory 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:27.480 and just seeing what's going on in the country and 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:32.920 leading with you know, military troops in our streets, you know, 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.640 breaking into businesses and homes to round up people they 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:41.520 think are here illegally in order to deport them. And 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.280 can you imagine, I mean, the kind of chaos and 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:51.400 terrible outcomes that would be a result of that kind 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:56.760 of military occupation of American cities. And so people need 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.560 to take it seriously and look at this project twenty 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.000 twenty five. And not only that, just listen to Trump 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.320 because he says it. He says it all the time. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.800 I want to run through some really important issues, not 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.520 exactly a lightning round, but we have a fair amount 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.279 to cover. First, reproductive rights, you warned on the Senate 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:20.200 floor during Justice Alito's confirmation hearings in two thousand and six. This, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.120 this nomination could well be the tipping point against constitutionally 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.920 based freedoms and protections we cherish as individuals and as 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.880 a nation. I fear that Judge Alito will roll back 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.120 decades of progress. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:32.960 Roe v. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.479 Wade is at risk. The privacy of Americans is at risk. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:41.840 Environmental safeguards, laws that protect workers from abuse or negligence, 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.520 laws even that keep machine guns off the street. All 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.480 these and many others are in peril. You take no 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.719 joy out of being prescient, do you no? 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.719 You know, as a Senator, I got to vote on 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:02.440 both John Roberts and Samuel Alito, and as part of 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:08.240 that process, I interviewed them both, which is, you know, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:13.040 the way senators get their own, you know, ideas about 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.040 who these candidates are that the President has nominated. And 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:24.040 I found both of them to be, you know, really 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:29.400 on agenda's basically, and you know, Roberts was much more 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:34.720 gracious and affable. If you read the long story in 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.720 the New York Times in the last day or so, 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:42.240 you know, clearly on an agenda that you know he 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:48.240 is now driving, including this incredibly dangerous immunity decision with Alito, 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:50.480 there was no hiding it. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.960 He was clearly a results. 0:07:54.600 --> 0:08:00.840 Oriented jurist who was going to use the Supreme Court 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.400 to reverse a lot of what many of us believed 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.120 has been progress over the last fifty years, some of 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.640 which you know, I mentioned on the floor of the 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:16.640 Senate and I was I was very worried about him 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:23.320 because of that. Again, he is driven by cultural and 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:29.160 religious beliefs about how society should be structured based on 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.200 his own opinion, not the law. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.760 His opinion, like the opinion in the Dobbs decision. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.120 As a recovering lawyer and law professor, I found it, 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:43.839 you know, absolutely weak and totally results oriented. I want 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.840 to get to this and I don't care what the 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.160 precedent is. I don't care what the you know, the 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:52.440 law basically says. I want you to pay attention to 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:58.000 what Justice Elena Kagan said at NYU this week, because 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:03.360 what she said echoes what Justice Thomas and Alito have 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:08.480 certainly hinted, and that is left to their own devices. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:16.120 Other landmark decisions, whether it's the Loving decision on interracial marriage, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:22.040 the gay marriage decision, the contraception decision. I'm not saying 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:28.640 this I am referencing Justice Kagan. Those are all on 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:34.880 the agenda for this court to reverse. So they will say, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.280 if you look at the logic in the Dobbs case, 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.760 and I have a whole chapter on Dobbs and democracy 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:44.120 in the book, if you look at that decision, they 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:48.760 basically say, well, you know, none of this was in 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.800 the original intent of the Constitution. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.079 That is their. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:59.640 Rationale, made up rationale. This whole theory of originalism is 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.120 made up to get to the results that they want 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.439 to further their political, cultural, religious, and financial interests. And 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:13.000 so they are gunning for other rights that have been expanded. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:18.040 And if they throw those rights back to the states 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:26.199 so that gay marriage, contraception IVF, interracial marriage all of 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:30.120 a sudden becomes a state issue, then man, we are 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:36.520 in for a terrible, terrible reversal of people's basic freedoms. 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.480 And we can't let that happen. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.720 And they could still try to do cases like that 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.760 even with a president Harris, but we would have a 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:52.559 president and hopefully a democratic House and Senate to prevent 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.120 the worst of this court from coming into effect. 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.600 If you want to get smarter every morning with a 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.880 breakdown of the news and fascinating takes on health and 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.280 wellness and pop culture. Sign up for our daily newsletter, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:32.160 Wake Up Call by going to Katiecuric dot com. You 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.000 know you write in your book the Republicans Plan in 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:40.040 terms of overturning Roe v. Wade, the Republicans Plan seems 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.280 to have backfired and turned their long sought holy grail 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.280 into a poison chalice. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:47.400 You know, what. 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.400 Impact do you think this is going to have on 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.000 the election. It already seems to have galvanized women. The 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.440 gender gap is huge. How do you think it will 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.880 What will the ramifications become November? 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:01.079 Well, I hope. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.480 They are going to be that, you know, women and 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.160 the men who understand the importance of this issue turn 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:12.840 out and vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, not just Kamala and Tim, 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:18.280 but Senate and House Democrats. Because I will predict you 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.000 sitting here on this stage, pay no attention to what 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.640 Trump says about a national abortion ban, because if he 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.319 has a Republican Congress, if he's in the White House, 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.760 they will pass a national abortion ban and he will 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.040 sign it. And they will also pass laws that criminalize 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:38.240 women from leaving state, you know, states to get medical care. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:43.040 They will pass laws like Louisiana pass criminalizing not criminalizing, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.360 but putting on Schedule one with very dangerous drugs, the 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:47.960 you know, abortion medication. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.000 They will do all of that. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.040 Even though they don't represent a majority by any means 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.880 of the people in our country. And you can see 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.280 they don't even represent a majority in most states from 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.720 nearly all states. So in the book, when I write 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.959 about Dobbs and democracy, there's a line in Alito's decision 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.959 which is, well, women are not without political power. Basically, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.320 let's just go out and show us that you know, 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.520 you don't like our decision. Well, starting in Kansas after 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.000 that decision, people turned out and showed that they were 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:27.160 not going to give in to that kind of political intimidation. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:32.080 And in every state, every state, the reddest states like 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:37.680 Ohio and Montana and Kentucky, when abortion has been on 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.760 the ballot, it has passed because people do not want 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.719 the government and they sure don't want jd Vance. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.040 Telling you what kind of medical care you can have. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.480 Having said that, Hillary, how realistic is a federal law 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.920 gearing a woman's right to an abortion? 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.800 Could that actually happen? Yes? 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:11.680 And you know it could happen for several reasons. Those 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.720 of you who are lawyers, you know, there's the supremacy clause. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:21.760 I mean, federal legislation is given, you know, pre eminence 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:26.440 over state law. So, for example, there is a law 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.560 in our country that the Biden administration is attempting to 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.360 enforce which says that people who show up at emergency 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:39.280 rooms must be taken in and given the health care 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.840 that they deserve. Now, it's a kind of relic, if 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.400 you will, of the you know, times of segregation, and 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.960 so people you know who are black or brown or 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.240 other minorities showing up in emergency rooms and being sent away. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.800 So the federal government stepped in and said, you know, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.440 you have to do this. So there are big fights 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.480 going on and one is on the way to this 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:06.560 Supreme Court because basically Texas said, no, we don't buy that. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.720 You know, we have our own laws. We're going to 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.080 enforce our own laws, and we're not going to abide 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.800 by this national law about requiring emergency care. Now. I 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.920 don't know if you just saw that the first verified 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:22.600 death of a woman seeking pregnancy care that required an 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.360 abortion to save her life because she was in sepsis 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:27.080 in Georgia. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:28.760 She died. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.280 We've had women lose their fertility, We've had women being 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.120 you know, very physically and emotionally damaged because they were 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.880 denied medical care. But we now have at least one 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.600 and maybe two verifiable cases because physicians are afraid of 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.920 going to jail. And so when a woman comes in 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:53.320 with a pregnancy in crisis, and there are many reasons 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:59.280 why that can happen, the doctors are reluctant to care 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.640 for her if, depending upon the state, there is still 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.880 a heartbeat, there could be no brain, the baby can 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.760 be dying and poisoning the mother, and they still won't intervene, 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.040 often until it's too late. 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.880 You know, my daughter and I have a. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:17.080 Production company called Hidden Light, and we produced a film 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.600 called Zorowski Versus Texas, which is about three really brave 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:21.560 women in. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.200 Texas who sued the. 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.680 Government of Texas because they were denied the care they needed. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:31.120 One woman was literally, you know, bleeding out, another woman 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.680 was forced to carry a dead baby to term, and 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.320 another woman had to leave the state. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:44.240 These are not hypotheticals. Thousands and thousands and thousands. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.840 Of women in these states are experiencing these kinds of 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.960 medical crises. So you can have national laws that then 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:56.560 have to be enforced. Obviously, the states try to find, 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.680 you know, federal judges that mostly Trump put on the 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.480 bend who will agree with them. But eventually you could 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:07.159 get to codifying Roe v. Wade, bringing Roe v. Wade 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:12.520 back by a national law, and trying to save women's lives, 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:18.320 and trying to give doctors and nurses permission to actually 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.080 help women and not be afraid that they'll end up 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:21.480 in jail. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.560 I think those personal stories have to be told more. 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.920 And the so called abortion after birth that Donald Trump 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.960 keeps talking about, I'm like, that's called homicide. And finally 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.159 he was corrected during the ABC debate. So thank you 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:50.639 Lindsey Davis for that. I could talk to you for 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.480 like eight hours, you know, But I feel like, since 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:59.040 we're approaching the anniversary, we need to talk about October seventh. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.120 I know you've joined the faculty at Columbia, you were 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:09.560 teaching last year when the attacks happened. How frustrating is 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.040 it that we're approaching the one year mark. Twelve hundred 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:17.360 Israelis killed, more than two hundred taken hostage, and by 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:22.600 some estimates, forty thousand Palestinians killed Now some people say 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:27.199 that's too low, some people say that's too high. But 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.399 one thing is certain, there doesn't seem to be a 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:31.600 resolution in sight. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:32.840 Yeah. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:39.280 Well, Katie, I think is certainly enormous effort being exercised 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:44.159 as we speak, because I do speak with people in 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:49.399 our government and occasionally people in other governments, about trying 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.840 to get to a cease fire, trying to get the 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:56.080 hostages back, trying to come up with a plan that 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:01.840 would free Gaza of a moss have a different Palestinian 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:08.520 government there, provide financial help to rebuild Gaza, have security 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:13.320 perhaps from Arab nations that would come to make sure 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:18.480 that you know, the people there could be free from intimidation. 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:21.639 That all has to happen. 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.240 And I know that even this week there is a 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.160 huge effort underway that not just the United States governments involved, 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.760 but the governments of Egypt and Cutter and European governments 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:34.840 all trying to. 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:37.920 Get to this ceasefire. 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:43.320 Now I have the experience of having negotiated a ceasefire 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:48.480 between Israel and Hamas in November of twenty twelve, and 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.040 it was while I was Secretary of State and Hamas 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:57.520 was firing rockets and killing Israelis, and Yahoo was the 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.919 Prime minister then just as now, and was planning a 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:04.840 ground invasion of Gaza. And so I was actually with 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.960 President Obama in Cambodia at a different meeting of Asian countries, 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:13.399 and so he and I talked about it, and I 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:20.320 flew from Cambodia to Israel and negotiated with the Israeli government, 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.960 went to Ramala to negotiated with the Palestinian authority. And 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:28.120 there was a new government in Egypt which was headed 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.600 by a president from the Muslim Brotherhood, and people didn't 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.760 know him well and they hadn't really tested him. And 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:40.400 I went to Cairo and negotiated with him, and he 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.800 did the right thing of you know, working with and 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.720 putting pressure on Hamas for a ceasefire. 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.639 So we got a ceasefire. 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.560 But it was intense effort and it wasn't anything like 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.600 the horrors of October seventh. So I know how hard 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:02.600 this is and how difficult, you know, the underlying issues are. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.720 But I've got every hope that maybe we can get 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:10.200 to a ceasefire, and if we do, I think it's 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:15.440 possible that we could see some you know, really positive 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:23.159 uh commitments from Arab countries in the Gulf primarily uh 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.320 to be good partners in trying to help the Palestinians. 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.600 So that that's, you know, that base, that's based on 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.439 conversations I had as late as yesterday, and you know, 0:21:33.560 --> 0:22:02.800 let's hope that they can get that done. 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.840 I'm going to spend the last ten minutes or so, 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.240 I told your team I may go over a little. 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:16.000 Rachel Maddow can wait right. I wanted to focus on 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:19.560 a few more personal aspects hillary of your book. You know, 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.640 one of the things that has helped you throughout your 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:25.440 life the ups and downs, is a circle of female friends, 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.439 many of whom you've had over a lifetime, your sister friends, 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.800 as Mia Angelou would say. Talk about why they've been 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.760 so important to you. I know you recently took a 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:37.399 trip to Vegas to see Adele. 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:40.639 I want to hear all about that trip. 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:42.960 Or is this a case of what happens in Vegas 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:43.880 stays in Vegas? 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:50.160 Was it like the female version of the hangover? Oh 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:51.160 what stays in Vegas? 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:56.639 Yes, you know, I have been blessed with a circle 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.200 of friends, as you say, Katie. In the book, I 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.520 write about some of my friends literally going back to 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.880 kindergarten and elementary and high school, and then so many 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:11.280 other friends over the course of my life, and and 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.160 literally I cannot imagine having lived the life I've lived 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.240 without having the friends that I've had. They have lifted 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.240 me up, they have kept me going, They have given 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:21.760 me advice. 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:23.680 Sometimes I didn't want to hear it, but I did. 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:29.560 And I have to say I was listening to Lyssa 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:31.919 when she came out. You know, I hired Lyssa to 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:35.160 work for me in the White House and she's been 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.680 a friend and a colleague ever since. And it's almost 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:43.159 impossible for me to think about taking on all of 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:47.679 these challenges that I've tried to address without my friends. 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.439 And my friends are you know, so important to me. 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:54.480 They show up for me. They you know, like the 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.480 like the Adele story. You know, one of you know, 0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:01.320 three of my friends called me up shortly before my 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:06.520 birthday last year and basically started the conversation by saying, 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:11.680 you are really going to be old. I said, boy, 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.840 I could have gone all day without hearing that. And 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.360 after ribbing me some more because I'm older than they are, 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.560 they said, hey, you know I think girls trip. Yeah, 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.520 we're going to Vegas, we bought the tickets, We've done everything, 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:28.879 and you know, it's that kind and I try to 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.000 do it for them too. It's that kind of you know, 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:36.280 support and love that has just made you know, made 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.320 my life so rich and wonderful. 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:42.960 But you know, one of the trade offs being open 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:47.240 and vulnerable and close to people is you know, we're 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.159 starting to lose some of those people. And I know 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:54.399 you lost your lifelong best friend Betsy, who died of 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:57.359 breast cancer in twenty nineteen. It was just a little 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:00.560 over a month after you lost your brother Tony. And 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:03.520 this is something we all have to deal with. As 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.280 you know, I lost my husband when he was forty 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.200 two and my sister in the span of five years. 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:13.760 And I just have to mention I so remember, we'll 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:15.560 always remember how kind you were. 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:16.080 Hillary. 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.919 Not only did you host an important event about coaling 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:23.879 cancer at the White House shortly after Jay died, but 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.080 you invited my sister Emily and me to have tea 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.880 with you at the White House when she was battling 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:34.080 pancreatic cancer and she had to drop out of the 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:37.000 race for Lieutenant governor. She was running with Mark Warner 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.159 in the state of Virginia. A lot of people thought 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:43.800 Emily would be the first female governor of Virginia. So 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:49.240 I'm curious, you know, the lessons you've learned. How you know, 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.720 I've learned a lot, but how you've been able to 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:58.240 cope with these tremendous losses that unfortunately we all experience 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:00.800 and experience more of as we get older. 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:06.080 You know, Katie, I think about you losing your husband 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:10.600 and losing your sister, and uh, she was so dynamic, 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.600 and you too, were just incredible together. 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.320 She was the real star of our family. Well you both, you. 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:21.320 Both had you know, just so much personality and intelligence 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:26.280 and just fun and and you know that's something lost, 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.840 something gained. You know, I really think a lot about 0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.879 all the people in my life that I've lost. And 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:37.840 you know, my my late brother Tony. You know, my 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.639 sister in law's here and one of his children as here, 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.879 and you know, it was just way too soon. And 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:48.080 I think about him all the time. I think about 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:52.600 you know, his you know, funny expressions and you know 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.760 the kind of jokes he used to tell, and growing 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:59.240 up with him, even though I was older, and I 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:01.119 and I, as you say, I mean, in a space 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.200 of three months, I lost a really close friend, Ellen Tausher, 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:08.040 former congresswoman from California, who also worked for me in 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.520 the state Department. Then I lost Tony, that I lost Betsy, 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.520 and it truly does just it just you know, it 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:19.000