Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, I'm Kitty Kirk, and this is next question.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome former Secretary of State Hillary
Speaker 2: Rodham Clinton and Katie Kirk, Award winning journalist and co
Speaker 2: founder of Katie Kirk Media.
Speaker 1: I rewatched your concession speech to prepare for this interview,
Speaker 1: and in it you said, our constitutional democracy enshrines the
Speaker 1: peaceful transfer of power, and we don't just respect that,
Speaker 1: we cherish that. I'm sure that was the hardest speech
Speaker 1: you have ever had to give in your political career.
Speaker 1: But do you think we'll ever see those kinds of
Speaker 1: gracious and graceful concession speeches again, like John McCain's, for example.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Katie, I really think if we if
Speaker 3: we do what we should do and we defeat Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: I think we can get back to what I would
Speaker 3: consider much more normal politics again, and hopefully new leaders
Speaker 3: would emerge on the Republican side who would not just
Speaker 3: give lip service to the constitution and the peaceful transfer
Speaker 3: of power and everything that goes, you know, with a democracy,
Speaker 3: but would again model it. And you know, I am optimistic.
Speaker 3: Like my late wonderful friend Madeline Albright used to say,
Speaker 3: she was an optimist who worries a lot, and so
Speaker 3: that kind of describes me. I am optimist stake. I'm
Speaker 3: optimistic about our country and its future.
Speaker 4: But it's really up to us. You know. It's Trump
Speaker 4: is one person.
Speaker 3: And we are many, many millions with different you know,
Speaker 3: views and backgrounds, and we want to.
Speaker 4: See the peaceful transfer of power.
Speaker 3: We want to see leaders who are in it for us,
Speaker 3: not for themselves. Everything that is really at the root
Speaker 3: of this campaign. And when I gave that concession speech, clearly,
Speaker 3: you know, I was hoping for the best and.
Speaker 4: It just was not to be. And the people that.
Speaker 3: Really staffed the first Trump White House and the first
Speaker 3: Trump government, they were people who had some experience. Again,
Speaker 3: I might have disagreed with them, but I've thought of
Speaker 3: them as being you know, sensible, you know, people, people
Speaker 3: who respected the constitution.
Speaker 4: They are all gone now.
Speaker 3: They are all supporting, you know, Kamala Harris because they
Speaker 3: saw firsthand what Trump was like. And the people he
Speaker 3: will bring in are people who are true believers, who
Speaker 3: are fanatics, who want to be dictators themselves. And that's
Speaker 3: what people have to understand. It's not just him, it's
Speaker 3: that whole project twenty twenty five crowd that literally wants
Speaker 3: to impose their political, partisan and religious views.
Speaker 4: On all the rest of us. And you know, I was.
Speaker 3: Raised to cherish, you know, the separation of church and state.
Speaker 3: These folks want to demolish it and basically tell us
Speaker 3: who we are supposed to worship and how and everything else.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is dangerous, dangerous stuff. And I'm glad that,
Speaker 3: you know, Project twenty twenty five has sort of pierced
Speaker 3: the you know, consciousness of the voting public, because take
Speaker 3: a look at it. I mean, why would anybody advocate
Speaker 3: for getting rid of the National Weather Service.
Speaker 1: Or the Department of Education, or all the civil servants.
Speaker 3: Or getting rid of all the civil servants and populating
Speaker 3: government with you know, partisans.
Speaker 1: Having a litmus test right absolutely, And you know this
Speaker 1: is he's tried to distance himself from that well unsuccessfully.
Speaker 3: And I mean just just you know, in the last
Speaker 3: day or two a video popped up where he was
Speaker 3: praising he was at some Heritage Foundation event praising you know,
Speaker 3: their work and all the rest of it. You know,
Speaker 3: I am the one who said there's a vast right
Speaker 3: wing conspiracy in.
Speaker 4: Nineteen and.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people laughed at me or
Speaker 3: you know, said, oh my gosh, that's absolutely crazy. Well, no,
Speaker 3: it's absolutely true, and you could see it playing out.
Speaker 3: And now it's not really a conspiracy. It's all out
Speaker 3: in public. We're going to tell you what we're going
Speaker 3: to do to you. We're going to tell you, you know,
Speaker 3: what we expect from you. And in the book, I
Speaker 3: write about waking up the day after a Trump victory
Speaker 3: and just seeing what's going on in the country and
Speaker 3: leading with you know, military troops in our streets, you know,
Speaker 3: breaking into businesses and homes to round up people they
Speaker 3: think are here illegally in order to deport them. And
Speaker 3: can you imagine, I mean, the kind of chaos and
Speaker 3: terrible outcomes that would be a result of that kind
Speaker 3: of military occupation of American cities. And so people need
Speaker 3: to take it seriously and look at this project twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five. And not only that, just listen to Trump
Speaker 3: because he says it. He says it all the time.
Speaker 1: I want to run through some really important issues, not
Speaker 1: exactly a lightning round, but we have a fair amount
Speaker 1: to cover. First, reproductive rights, you warned on the Senate
Speaker 1: floor during Justice Alito's confirmation hearings in two thousand and six. This,
Speaker 1: this nomination could well be the tipping point against constitutionally
Speaker 1: based freedoms and protections we cherish as individuals and as
Speaker 1: a nation. I fear that Judge Alito will roll back
Speaker 1: decades of progress.
Speaker 2: Roe v.
Speaker 1: Wade is at risk. The privacy of Americans is at risk.
Speaker 1: Environmental safeguards, laws that protect workers from abuse or negligence,
Speaker 1: laws even that keep machine guns off the street. All
Speaker 1: these and many others are in peril. You take no
Speaker 1: joy out of being prescient, do you no?
Speaker 3: You know, as a Senator, I got to vote on
Speaker 3: both John Roberts and Samuel Alito, and as part of
Speaker 3: that process, I interviewed them both, which is, you know,
Speaker 3: the way senators get their own, you know, ideas about
Speaker 3: who these candidates are that the President has nominated. And
Speaker 3: I found both of them to be, you know, really
Speaker 3: on agenda's basically, and you know, Roberts was much more
Speaker 3: gracious and affable. If you read the long story in
Speaker 3: the New York Times in the last day or so,
Speaker 3: you know, clearly on an agenda that you know he
Speaker 3: is now driving, including this incredibly dangerous immunity decision with Alito,
Speaker 3: there was no hiding it.
Speaker 4: He was clearly a results.
Speaker 3: Oriented jurist who was going to use the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: to reverse a lot of what many of us believed
Speaker 3: has been progress over the last fifty years, some of
Speaker 3: which you know, I mentioned on the floor of the
Speaker 3: Senate and I was I was very worried about him
Speaker 3: because of that. Again, he is driven by cultural and
Speaker 3: religious beliefs about how society should be structured based on
Speaker 3: his own opinion, not the law.
Speaker 4: His opinion, like the opinion in the Dobbs decision.
Speaker 3: As a recovering lawyer and law professor, I found it,
Speaker 3: you know, absolutely weak and totally results oriented. I want
Speaker 3: to get to this and I don't care what the
Speaker 3: precedent is. I don't care what the you know, the
Speaker 3: law basically says. I want you to pay attention to
Speaker 3: what Justice Elena Kagan said at NYU this week, because
Speaker 3: what she said echoes what Justice Thomas and Alito have
Speaker 3: certainly hinted, and that is left to their own devices.
Speaker 3: Other landmark decisions, whether it's the Loving decision on interracial marriage,
Speaker 3: the gay marriage decision, the contraception decision. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: this I am referencing Justice Kagan. Those are all on
Speaker 3: the agenda for this court to reverse. So they will say,
Speaker 3: if you look at the logic in the Dobbs case,
Speaker 3: and I have a whole chapter on Dobbs and democracy
Speaker 3: in the book, if you look at that decision, they
Speaker 3: basically say, well, you know, none of this was in
Speaker 3: the original intent of the Constitution.
Speaker 4: That is their.
Speaker 3: Rationale, made up rationale. This whole theory of originalism is
Speaker 3: made up to get to the results that they want
Speaker 3: to further their political, cultural, religious, and financial interests. And
Speaker 3: so they are gunning for other rights that have been expanded.
Speaker 3: And if they throw those rights back to the states
Speaker 3: so that gay marriage, contraception IVF, interracial marriage all of
Speaker 3: a sudden becomes a state issue, then man, we are
Speaker 3: in for a terrible, terrible reversal of people's basic freedoms.
Speaker 4: And we can't let that happen.
Speaker 3: And they could still try to do cases like that
Speaker 3: even with a president Harris, but we would have a
Speaker 3: president and hopefully a democratic House and Senate to prevent
Speaker 3: the worst of this court from coming into effect.
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Speaker 1: know you write in your book the Republicans Plan in
Speaker 1: terms of overturning Roe v. Wade, the Republicans Plan seems
Speaker 1: to have backfired and turned their long sought holy grail
Speaker 1: into a poison chalice.
Speaker 4: You know, what.
Speaker 1: Impact do you think this is going to have on
Speaker 1: the election. It already seems to have galvanized women. The
Speaker 1: gender gap is huge. How do you think it will
Speaker 1: What will the ramifications become November?
Speaker 4: Well, I hope.
Speaker 3: They are going to be that, you know, women and
Speaker 3: the men who understand the importance of this issue turn
Speaker 3: out and vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, not just Kamala and Tim,
Speaker 3: but Senate and House Democrats. Because I will predict you
Speaker 3: sitting here on this stage, pay no attention to what
Speaker 3: Trump says about a national abortion ban, because if he
Speaker 3: has a Republican Congress, if he's in the White House,
Speaker 3: they will pass a national abortion ban and he will
Speaker 3: sign it. And they will also pass laws that criminalize
Speaker 3: women from leaving state, you know, states to get medical care.
Speaker 3: They will pass laws like Louisiana pass criminalizing not criminalizing,
Speaker 3: but putting on Schedule one with very dangerous drugs, the
Speaker 3: you know, abortion medication.
Speaker 4: They will do all of that.
Speaker 3: Even though they don't represent a majority by any means
Speaker 3: of the people in our country. And you can see
Speaker 3: they don't even represent a majority in most states from
Speaker 3: nearly all states. So in the book, when I write
Speaker 3: about Dobbs and democracy, there's a line in Alito's decision
Speaker 3: which is, well, women are not without political power. Basically,
Speaker 3: let's just go out and show us that you know,
Speaker 3: you don't like our decision. Well, starting in Kansas after
Speaker 3: that decision, people turned out and showed that they were
Speaker 3: not going to give in to that kind of political intimidation.
Speaker 3: And in every state, every state, the reddest states like
Speaker 3: Ohio and Montana and Kentucky, when abortion has been on
Speaker 3: the ballot, it has passed because people do not want
Speaker 3: the government and they sure don't want jd Vance.
Speaker 4: Telling you what kind of medical care you can have.
Speaker 1: Having said that, Hillary, how realistic is a federal law
Speaker 1: gearing a woman's right to an abortion?
Speaker 4: Could that actually happen? Yes?
Speaker 3: And you know it could happen for several reasons. Those
Speaker 3: of you who are lawyers, you know, there's the supremacy clause.
Speaker 3: I mean, federal legislation is given, you know, pre eminence
Speaker 3: over state law. So, for example, there is a law
Speaker 3: in our country that the Biden administration is attempting to
Speaker 3: enforce which says that people who show up at emergency
Speaker 3: rooms must be taken in and given the health care
Speaker 3: that they deserve. Now, it's a kind of relic, if
Speaker 3: you will, of the you know, times of segregation, and
Speaker 3: so people you know who are black or brown or
Speaker 3: other minorities showing up in emergency rooms and being sent away.
Speaker 3: So the federal government stepped in and said, you know,
Speaker 3: you have to do this. So there are big fights
Speaker 3: going on and one is on the way to this
Speaker 3: Supreme Court because basically Texas said, no, we don't buy that.
Speaker 3: You know, we have our own laws. We're going to
Speaker 3: enforce our own laws, and we're not going to abide
Speaker 3: by this national law about requiring emergency care. Now. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you just saw that the first verified
Speaker 3: death of a woman seeking pregnancy care that required an
Speaker 3: abortion to save her life because she was in sepsis
Speaker 3: in Georgia.
Speaker 4: She died.
Speaker 3: We've had women lose their fertility, We've had women being
Speaker 3: you know, very physically and emotionally damaged because they were
Speaker 3: denied medical care. But we now have at least one
Speaker 3: and maybe two verifiable cases because physicians are afraid of
Speaker 3: going to jail. And so when a woman comes in
Speaker 3: with a pregnancy in crisis, and there are many reasons
Speaker 3: why that can happen, the doctors are reluctant to care
Speaker 3: for her if, depending upon the state, there is still
Speaker 3: a heartbeat, there could be no brain, the baby can
Speaker 3: be dying and poisoning the mother, and they still won't intervene,
Speaker 3: often until it's too late.
Speaker 4: You know, my daughter and I have a.
Speaker 3: Production company called Hidden Light, and we produced a film
Speaker 3: called Zorowski Versus Texas, which is about three really brave
Speaker 3: women in.
Speaker 4: Texas who sued the.
Speaker 3: Government of Texas because they were denied the care they needed.
Speaker 3: One woman was literally, you know, bleeding out, another woman
Speaker 3: was forced to carry a dead baby to term, and
Speaker 3: another woman had to leave the state.
Speaker 4: These are not hypotheticals. Thousands and thousands and thousands.
Speaker 3: Of women in these states are experiencing these kinds of
Speaker 3: medical crises. So you can have national laws that then
Speaker 3: have to be enforced. Obviously, the states try to find,
Speaker 3: you know, federal judges that mostly Trump put on the
Speaker 3: bend who will agree with them. But eventually you could
Speaker 3: get to codifying Roe v. Wade, bringing Roe v. Wade
Speaker 3: back by a national law, and trying to save women's lives,
Speaker 3: and trying to give doctors and nurses permission to actually
Speaker 3: help women and not be afraid that they'll end up
Speaker 3: in jail.
Speaker 1: I think those personal stories have to be told more.
Speaker 1: And the so called abortion after birth that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: keeps talking about, I'm like, that's called homicide. And finally
Speaker 1: he was corrected during the ABC debate. So thank you
Speaker 1: Lindsey Davis for that. I could talk to you for
Speaker 1: like eight hours, you know, But I feel like, since
Speaker 1: we're approaching the anniversary, we need to talk about October seventh.
Speaker 1: I know you've joined the faculty at Columbia, you were
Speaker 1: teaching last year when the attacks happened. How frustrating is
Speaker 1: it that we're approaching the one year mark. Twelve hundred
Speaker 1: Israelis killed, more than two hundred taken hostage, and by
Speaker 1: some estimates, forty thousand Palestinians killed Now some people say
Speaker 1: that's too low, some people say that's too high. But
Speaker 1: one thing is certain, there doesn't seem to be a
Speaker 1: resolution in sight.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, Katie, I think is certainly enormous effort being exercised
Speaker 3: as we speak, because I do speak with people in
Speaker 3: our government and occasionally people in other governments, about trying
Speaker 3: to get to a cease fire, trying to get the
Speaker 3: hostages back, trying to come up with a plan that
Speaker 3: would free Gaza of a moss have a different Palestinian
Speaker 3: government there, provide financial help to rebuild Gaza, have security
Speaker 3: perhaps from Arab nations that would come to make sure
Speaker 3: that you know, the people there could be free from intimidation.
Speaker 4: That all has to happen.
Speaker 3: And I know that even this week there is a
Speaker 3: huge effort underway that not just the United States governments involved,
Speaker 3: but the governments of Egypt and Cutter and European governments
Speaker 3: all trying to.
Speaker 4: Get to this ceasefire.
Speaker 3: Now I have the experience of having negotiated a ceasefire
Speaker 3: between Israel and Hamas in November of twenty twelve, and
Speaker 3: it was while I was Secretary of State and Hamas
Speaker 3: was firing rockets and killing Israelis, and Yahoo was the
Speaker 3: Prime minister then just as now, and was planning a
Speaker 3: ground invasion of Gaza. And so I was actually with
Speaker 3: President Obama in Cambodia at a different meeting of Asian countries,
Speaker 3: and so he and I talked about it, and I
Speaker 3: flew from Cambodia to Israel and negotiated with the Israeli government,
Speaker 3: went to Ramala to negotiated with the Palestinian authority. And
Speaker 3: there was a new government in Egypt which was headed
Speaker 3: by a president from the Muslim Brotherhood, and people didn't
Speaker 3: know him well and they hadn't really tested him. And
Speaker 3: I went to Cairo and negotiated with him, and he
Speaker 3: did the right thing of you know, working with and
Speaker 3: putting pressure on Hamas for a ceasefire.
Speaker 4: So we got a ceasefire.
Speaker 3: But it was intense effort and it wasn't anything like
Speaker 3: the horrors of October seventh. So I know how hard
Speaker 3: this is and how difficult, you know, the underlying issues are.
Speaker 3: But I've got every hope that maybe we can get
Speaker 3: to a ceasefire, and if we do, I think it's
Speaker 3: possible that we could see some you know, really positive
Speaker 3: uh commitments from Arab countries in the Gulf primarily uh
Speaker 3: to be good partners in trying to help the Palestinians.
Speaker 3: So that that's, you know, that base, that's based on
Speaker 3: conversations I had as late as yesterday, and you know,
Speaker 3: let's hope that they can get that done.
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the last ten minutes or so,
Speaker 1: I told your team I may go over a little.
Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow can wait right. I wanted to focus on
Speaker 1: a few more personal aspects hillary of your book. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that has helped you throughout your
Speaker 1: life the ups and downs, is a circle of female friends,
Speaker 1: many of whom you've had over a lifetime, your sister friends,
Speaker 1: as Mia Angelou would say. Talk about why they've been
Speaker 1: so important to you. I know you recently took a
Speaker 1: trip to Vegas to see Adele.
Speaker 4: I want to hear all about that trip.
Speaker 1: Or is this a case of what happens in Vegas
Speaker 1: stays in Vegas?
Speaker 4: Was it like the female version of the hangover? Oh
Speaker 4: what stays in Vegas?
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I have been blessed with a circle
Speaker 3: of friends, as you say, Katie. In the book, I
Speaker 3: write about some of my friends literally going back to
Speaker 3: kindergarten and elementary and high school, and then so many
Speaker 3: other friends over the course of my life, and and
Speaker 3: literally I cannot imagine having lived the life I've lived
Speaker 3: without having the friends that I've had. They have lifted
Speaker 3: me up, they have kept me going, They have given
Speaker 3: me advice.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I didn't want to hear it, but I did.
Speaker 3: And I have to say I was listening to Lyssa
Speaker 3: when she came out. You know, I hired Lyssa to
Speaker 3: work for me in the White House and she's been
Speaker 3: a friend and a colleague ever since. And it's almost
Speaker 3: impossible for me to think about taking on all of
Speaker 3: these challenges that I've tried to address without my friends.
Speaker 3: And my friends are you know, so important to me.
Speaker 3: They show up for me. They you know, like the
Speaker 3: like the Adele story. You know, one of you know,
Speaker 3: three of my friends called me up shortly before my
Speaker 3: birthday last year and basically started the conversation by saying,
Speaker 3: you are really going to be old. I said, boy,
Speaker 3: I could have gone all day without hearing that. And
Speaker 3: after ribbing me some more because I'm older than they are,
Speaker 3: they said, hey, you know I think girls trip. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're going to Vegas, we bought the tickets, We've done everything,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's that kind and I try to
Speaker 3: do it for them too. It's that kind of you know,
Speaker 3: support and love that has just made you know, made
Speaker 3: my life so rich and wonderful.
Speaker 1: But you know, one of the trade offs being open
Speaker 1: and vulnerable and close to people is you know, we're
Speaker 1: starting to lose some of those people. And I know
Speaker 1: you lost your lifelong best friend Betsy, who died of
Speaker 1: breast cancer in twenty nineteen. It was just a little
Speaker 1: over a month after you lost your brother Tony. And
Speaker 1: this is something we all have to deal with. As
Speaker 1: you know, I lost my husband when he was forty
Speaker 1: two and my sister in the span of five years.
Speaker 1: And I just have to mention I so remember, we'll
Speaker 1: always remember how kind you were.
Speaker 4: Hillary.
Speaker 1: Not only did you host an important event about coaling
Speaker 1: cancer at the White House shortly after Jay died, but
Speaker 1: you invited my sister Emily and me to have tea
Speaker 1: with you at the White House when she was battling
Speaker 1: pancreatic cancer and she had to drop out of the
Speaker 1: race for Lieutenant governor. She was running with Mark Warner
Speaker 1: in the state of Virginia. A lot of people thought
Speaker 1: Emily would be the first female governor of Virginia. So
Speaker 1: I'm curious, you know, the lessons you've learned. How you know,
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot, but how you've been able to
Speaker 1: cope with these tremendous losses that unfortunately we all experience
Speaker 1: and experience more of as we get older.
Speaker 3: You know, Katie, I think about you losing your husband
Speaker 3: and losing your sister, and uh, she was so dynamic,
Speaker 3: and you too, were just incredible together.
Speaker 4: She was the real star of our family. Well you both, you.
Speaker 3: Both had you know, just so much personality and intelligence
Speaker 3: and just fun and and you know that's something lost,
Speaker 3: something gained. You know, I really think a lot about
Speaker 3: all the people in my life that I've lost. And
Speaker 3: you know, my my late brother Tony. You know, my
Speaker 3: sister in law's here and one of his children as here,
Speaker 3: and you know, it was just way too soon. And
Speaker 3: I think about him all the time. I think about
Speaker 3: you know, his you know, funny expressions and you know
Speaker 3: the kind of jokes he used to tell, and growing
Speaker 3: up with him, even though I was older, and I
Speaker 3: and I, as you say, I mean, in a space
Speaker 3: of three months, I lost a really close friend, Ellen Tausher,
Speaker 3: former congresswoman from California, who also worked for me in
Speaker 3: the state Department. Then I lost Tony, that I lost Betsy,
Speaker 3: and it truly does just it just you know, it
Speaker 3: just strikes your heart that you know, these are people
Speaker 3: that were so much a part of your life and
Speaker 3: they're gone, and I think about them all the time.
Speaker 3: I write about my mother and my father. I mean
Speaker 3: they've been you know, gone a while too, my dad longer.
Speaker 3: And it's just part of life. And part of the
Speaker 3: way that I think about it is showing up for
Speaker 3: other people when they lose somebody because you just sharing
Speaker 3: that experience, sharing the you know, the the grief that
Speaker 3: comes with saying goodbye to somebody, telling stories that make
Speaker 3: you laugh because you know there's always something to remember
Speaker 3: about someone, you know, it just helps ease the pain.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, you went on to be
Speaker 3: so focused on colon cancer and it was a way
Speaker 3: of you know, taking your grief and putting it to
Speaker 3: work to try to help other people. And so I
Speaker 3: feel very much the same way. I mean, how do
Speaker 3: we try to you know, ease each other's lives rather
Speaker 3: than being you know, so negative. How do we try
Speaker 3: to find the joy in life? And how do we
Speaker 3: try to help each other?
Speaker 1: I remember when my mom died, my minister called me.
Speaker 1: This always makes me sound like I go to church
Speaker 1: all the time, but I really don't, but I do sometimes.
Speaker 1: And he called and he said, those who love love
Speaker 1: deeply grief deeply. And it kind of switched turned to
Speaker 1: switch in me and made me go from feeling feelings
Speaker 1: so over was sorrow and it made me feel so
Speaker 1: much gratitude that I was able to love and be
Speaker 1: loved so intensely that the loss affected me so profoundly.
Speaker 4: If that makes sense, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3: And you know, there's a wonderful quote from Thornton Wilder
Speaker 3: in the Bridge of San Luis, Rey where he said,
Speaker 3: you know, there's the land of the living and the
Speaker 3: land of the dead, but the bridge is love. I mean,
Speaker 3: just because somebody's gone, you don't stop loving that person.
Speaker 3: You don't stop thinking about that person, you don't stop
Speaker 3: remembering special moments with that person. And I think that
Speaker 3: you know, your minister, who's probably had to say that
Speaker 3: to a lot of people, understood exactly what needed to
Speaker 3: be said, so that you could feel that the grief
Speaker 3: was part of the fact that you had loved Jay
Speaker 3: so much. I mean, you know, I I really write
Speaker 3: about my faith in this book too, because it's gotten
Speaker 3: me through a lot. My friends and my faith have
Speaker 3: been incredible support systems for me. And when you go
Speaker 3: through hard times with people, you know, you need, whether
Speaker 3: you're religious or not, you need to kind of fill
Speaker 3: your mind and your heart with the wisdom of other
Speaker 3: people so that you have something to fall back on
Speaker 3: and you're not just taking that journey by yourself.
Speaker 1: You write a lot about Bill, who's now writing his
Speaker 1: own book. You talk about your relationship, which is really interesting,
Speaker 1: which I think has been more scrutinized, the most scrutinized
Speaker 1: relationship in history. Thanks after a little teaser, we're almost
Speaker 1: out of time, but I spy a little friendship bracelet
Speaker 1: on that left wrist.
Speaker 3: Yes, a young woman in the crowd gave these to me,
Speaker 3: and I love I love having them because you know what,
Speaker 3: I love Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: Seem somebody tweeted the opposite today, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: Or yesterday, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Do you think her endorsement will have an impact on
Speaker 1: the election? I mean hundreds of thousands of people visited
Speaker 1: that website to at least consider registering to vote. Right,
Speaker 1: we don't know if they actually did.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Look, I think you know I am you know,
Speaker 3: I am somebody who believes there are many, many, many
Speaker 3: different doors that can open to bring somebody to voting
Speaker 3: and voting for a particular candidate, And.
Speaker 4: And celebrities can do that.
Speaker 3: You know, somebody who may may not think much about voting,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just not you know, they're young, or
Speaker 3: they're busy, or whatever the reason might be. You know,
Speaker 3: that can break through and they can stop and think, wow.
Speaker 3: You know what Taylor Swift said in her endorsement is
Speaker 3: she did her research and you know, talked about why
Speaker 3: she made that decision. So you know, somebody who admires her,
Speaker 3: who's a fan of hers, reading that say, oh well,
Speaker 3: maybe that, you know, can influence me to think about it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think all of that makes a difference.
Speaker 3: It's these elections are so close, they're all on the margins,
Speaker 3: and anything that can inspire somebody to actually vote and
Speaker 3: hopefully vote, you know, for their own future, which means
Speaker 3: voting for you know, the vice president.
Speaker 4: To me, that's good. That's all to the good.
Speaker 1: And if if Kamala Harris is elected, can you envision
Speaker 1: a role for yourself in a Harris administration?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, but what I what I canon
Speaker 3: vision is to be as helpful as possible. You know, her,
Speaker 3: her sister's a friend of mine, she worked for me
Speaker 3: in my twenty sixteen campaign. Her husband as friends with
Speaker 3: my husband and my son in law and my daughter.
Speaker 3: I mean we really feel, you know, very connected to
Speaker 3: her and her family.
Speaker 1: So you hosted a number of dinners for her at
Speaker 1: your house when.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I hosted a dinner and she was
Speaker 4: vice president at the beginning. Yeah, and you know Doug
Speaker 4: has been over to our house.
Speaker 3: I mean yes, we really, we really think these you know,
Speaker 3: are too remarkable and wonderful people. And so yeah, I
Speaker 3: will do everything I can to help and every way.
Speaker 1: So well, Hillary Clinton, such a pleasure, such an honor.
Speaker 4: The book is something lost, something Gang. Thank you so
Speaker 4: so much. I hope you enjoyed the book.
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