1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, I'm Kitty Kirk, and this is next question. 2 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome former Secretary of State Hillary 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Rodham Clinton and Katie Kirk, Award winning journalist and co 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: founder of Katie Kirk Media. 5 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: I rewatched your concession speech to prepare for this interview, 6 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: and in it you said, our constitutional democracy enshrines the 7 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: peaceful transfer of power, and we don't just respect that, 8 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: we cherish that. I'm sure that was the hardest speech 9 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: you have ever had to give in your political career. 10 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: But do you think we'll ever see those kinds of 11 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: gracious and graceful concession speeches again, like John McCain's, for example. 12 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Katie, I really think if we if 13 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: we do what we should do and we defeat Donald Trump, 14 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: I think we can get back to what I would 15 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 3: consider much more normal politics again, and hopefully new leaders 16 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: would emerge on the Republican side who would not just 17 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: give lip service to the constitution and the peaceful transfer 18 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: of power and everything that goes, you know, with a democracy, 19 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: but would again model it. And you know, I am optimistic. 20 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: Like my late wonderful friend Madeline Albright used to say, 21 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: she was an optimist who worries a lot, and so 22 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: that kind of describes me. I am optimist stake. I'm 23 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: optimistic about our country and its future. 24 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: But it's really up to us. You know. It's Trump 25 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 4: is one person. 26 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: And we are many, many millions with different you know, 27 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: views and backgrounds, and we want to. 28 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: See the peaceful transfer of power. 29 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: We want to see leaders who are in it for us, 30 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: not for themselves. Everything that is really at the root 31 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: of this campaign. And when I gave that concession speech, clearly, 32 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: you know, I was hoping for the best and. 33 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: It just was not to be. And the people that. 34 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 3: Really staffed the first Trump White House and the first 35 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 3: Trump government, they were people who had some experience. Again, 36 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: I might have disagreed with them, but I've thought of 37 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: them as being you know, sensible, you know, people, people 38 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: who respected the constitution. 39 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: They are all gone now. 40 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 3: They are all supporting, you know, Kamala Harris because they 41 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: saw firsthand what Trump was like. And the people he 42 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: will bring in are people who are true believers, who 43 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: are fanatics, who want to be dictators themselves. And that's 44 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: what people have to understand. It's not just him, it's 45 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: that whole project twenty twenty five crowd that literally wants 46 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: to impose their political, partisan and religious views. 47 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 4: On all the rest of us. And you know, I was. 48 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: Raised to cherish, you know, the separation of church and state. 49 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: These folks want to demolish it and basically tell us 50 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: who we are supposed to worship and how and everything else. 51 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: I mean, this is dangerous, dangerous stuff. And I'm glad that, 52 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: you know, Project twenty twenty five has sort of pierced 53 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: the you know, consciousness of the voting public, because take 54 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: a look at it. I mean, why would anybody advocate 55 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: for getting rid of the National Weather Service. 56 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: Or the Department of Education, or all the civil servants. 57 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: Or getting rid of all the civil servants and populating 58 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: government with you know, partisans. 59 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: Having a litmus test right absolutely, And you know this 60 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: is he's tried to distance himself from that well unsuccessfully. 61 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: And I mean just just you know, in the last 62 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: day or two a video popped up where he was 63 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: praising he was at some Heritage Foundation event praising you know, 64 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: their work and all the rest of it. You know, 65 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: I am the one who said there's a vast right 66 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: wing conspiracy in. 67 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 4: Nineteen and. 68 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: You know a lot of people laughed at me or 69 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: you know, said, oh my gosh, that's absolutely crazy. Well, no, 70 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: it's absolutely true, and you could see it playing out. 71 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: And now it's not really a conspiracy. It's all out 72 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: in public. We're going to tell you what we're going 73 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: to do to you. We're going to tell you, you know, 74 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: what we expect from you. And in the book, I 75 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 3: write about waking up the day after a Trump victory 76 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: and just seeing what's going on in the country and 77 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: leading with you know, military troops in our streets, you know, 78 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: breaking into businesses and homes to round up people they 79 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: think are here illegally in order to deport them. And 80 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: can you imagine, I mean, the kind of chaos and 81 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: terrible outcomes that would be a result of that kind 82 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: of military occupation of American cities. And so people need 83 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: to take it seriously and look at this project twenty 84 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: twenty five. And not only that, just listen to Trump 85 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: because he says it. He says it all the time. 86 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: I want to run through some really important issues, not 87 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: exactly a lightning round, but we have a fair amount 88 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: to cover. First, reproductive rights, you warned on the Senate 89 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: floor during Justice Alito's confirmation hearings in two thousand and six. This, 90 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: this nomination could well be the tipping point against constitutionally 91 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: based freedoms and protections we cherish as individuals and as 92 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: a nation. I fear that Judge Alito will roll back 93 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: decades of progress. 94 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: Roe v. 95 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: Wade is at risk. The privacy of Americans is at risk. 96 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: Environmental safeguards, laws that protect workers from abuse or negligence, 97 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: laws even that keep machine guns off the street. All 98 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: these and many others are in peril. You take no 99 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: joy out of being prescient, do you no? 100 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: You know, as a Senator, I got to vote on 101 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: both John Roberts and Samuel Alito, and as part of 102 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: that process, I interviewed them both, which is, you know, 103 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: the way senators get their own, you know, ideas about 104 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: who these candidates are that the President has nominated. And 105 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: I found both of them to be, you know, really 106 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: on agenda's basically, and you know, Roberts was much more 107 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: gracious and affable. If you read the long story in 108 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: the New York Times in the last day or so, 109 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: you know, clearly on an agenda that you know he 110 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: is now driving, including this incredibly dangerous immunity decision with Alito, 111 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: there was no hiding it. 112 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 4: He was clearly a results. 113 00:07:54,600 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: Oriented jurist who was going to use the Supreme Court 114 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: to reverse a lot of what many of us believed 115 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: has been progress over the last fifty years, some of 116 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: which you know, I mentioned on the floor of the 117 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: Senate and I was I was very worried about him 118 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: because of that. Again, he is driven by cultural and 119 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: religious beliefs about how society should be structured based on 120 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: his own opinion, not the law. 121 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 4: His opinion, like the opinion in the Dobbs decision. 122 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: As a recovering lawyer and law professor, I found it, 123 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 3: you know, absolutely weak and totally results oriented. I want 124 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: to get to this and I don't care what the 125 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: precedent is. I don't care what the you know, the 126 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: law basically says. I want you to pay attention to 127 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: what Justice Elena Kagan said at NYU this week, because 128 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: what she said echoes what Justice Thomas and Alito have 129 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: certainly hinted, and that is left to their own devices. 130 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: Other landmark decisions, whether it's the Loving decision on interracial marriage, 131 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: the gay marriage decision, the contraception decision. I'm not saying 132 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: this I am referencing Justice Kagan. Those are all on 133 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: the agenda for this court to reverse. So they will say, 134 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: if you look at the logic in the Dobbs case, 135 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: and I have a whole chapter on Dobbs and democracy 136 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: in the book, if you look at that decision, they 137 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: basically say, well, you know, none of this was in 138 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: the original intent of the Constitution. 139 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 4: That is their. 140 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: Rationale, made up rationale. This whole theory of originalism is 141 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: made up to get to the results that they want 142 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 3: to further their political, cultural, religious, and financial interests. And 143 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: so they are gunning for other rights that have been expanded. 144 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: And if they throw those rights back to the states 145 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 3: so that gay marriage, contraception IVF, interracial marriage all of 146 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: a sudden becomes a state issue, then man, we are 147 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: in for a terrible, terrible reversal of people's basic freedoms. 148 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 4: And we can't let that happen. 149 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: And they could still try to do cases like that 150 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: even with a president Harris, but we would have a 151 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 3: president and hopefully a democratic House and Senate to prevent 152 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: the worst of this court from coming into effect. 153 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: If you want to get smarter every morning with a 154 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: breakdown of the news and fascinating takes on health and 155 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: wellness and pop culture. Sign up for our daily newsletter, 156 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: Wake Up Call by going to Katiecuric dot com. You 157 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: know you write in your book the Republicans Plan in 158 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: terms of overturning Roe v. Wade, the Republicans Plan seems 159 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: to have backfired and turned their long sought holy grail 160 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: into a poison chalice. 161 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 4: You know, what. 162 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: Impact do you think this is going to have on 163 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: the election. It already seems to have galvanized women. The 164 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: gender gap is huge. How do you think it will 165 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: What will the ramifications become November? 166 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 4: Well, I hope. 167 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: They are going to be that, you know, women and 168 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: the men who understand the importance of this issue turn 169 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: out and vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, not just Kamala and Tim, 170 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: but Senate and House Democrats. Because I will predict you 171 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: sitting here on this stage, pay no attention to what 172 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: Trump says about a national abortion ban, because if he 173 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 3: has a Republican Congress, if he's in the White House, 174 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: they will pass a national abortion ban and he will 175 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: sign it. And they will also pass laws that criminalize 176 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: women from leaving state, you know, states to get medical care. 177 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: They will pass laws like Louisiana pass criminalizing not criminalizing, 178 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 3: but putting on Schedule one with very dangerous drugs, the 179 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 3: you know, abortion medication. 180 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: They will do all of that. 181 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: Even though they don't represent a majority by any means 182 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: of the people in our country. And you can see 183 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: they don't even represent a majority in most states from 184 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: nearly all states. So in the book, when I write 185 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 3: about Dobbs and democracy, there's a line in Alito's decision 186 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 3: which is, well, women are not without political power. Basically, 187 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: let's just go out and show us that you know, 188 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: you don't like our decision. Well, starting in Kansas after 189 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: that decision, people turned out and showed that they were 190 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: not going to give in to that kind of political intimidation. 191 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: And in every state, every state, the reddest states like 192 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: Ohio and Montana and Kentucky, when abortion has been on 193 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: the ballot, it has passed because people do not want 194 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 3: the government and they sure don't want jd Vance. 195 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 4: Telling you what kind of medical care you can have. 196 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Having said that, Hillary, how realistic is a federal law 197 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: gearing a woman's right to an abortion? 198 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 4: Could that actually happen? Yes? 199 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: And you know it could happen for several reasons. Those 200 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: of you who are lawyers, you know, there's the supremacy clause. 201 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: I mean, federal legislation is given, you know, pre eminence 202 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: over state law. So, for example, there is a law 203 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: in our country that the Biden administration is attempting to 204 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: enforce which says that people who show up at emergency 205 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: rooms must be taken in and given the health care 206 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: that they deserve. Now, it's a kind of relic, if 207 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: you will, of the you know, times of segregation, and 208 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: so people you know who are black or brown or 209 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: other minorities showing up in emergency rooms and being sent away. 210 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: So the federal government stepped in and said, you know, 211 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: you have to do this. So there are big fights 212 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: going on and one is on the way to this 213 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: Supreme Court because basically Texas said, no, we don't buy that. 214 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: You know, we have our own laws. We're going to 215 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: enforce our own laws, and we're not going to abide 216 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: by this national law about requiring emergency care. Now. I 217 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: don't know if you just saw that the first verified 218 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: death of a woman seeking pregnancy care that required an 219 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: abortion to save her life because she was in sepsis 220 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: in Georgia. 221 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 4: She died. 222 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: We've had women lose their fertility, We've had women being 223 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: you know, very physically and emotionally damaged because they were 224 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: denied medical care. But we now have at least one 225 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: and maybe two verifiable cases because physicians are afraid of 226 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: going to jail. And so when a woman comes in 227 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: with a pregnancy in crisis, and there are many reasons 228 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: why that can happen, the doctors are reluctant to care 229 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: for her if, depending upon the state, there is still 230 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: a heartbeat, there could be no brain, the baby can 231 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 3: be dying and poisoning the mother, and they still won't intervene, 232 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: often until it's too late. 233 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: You know, my daughter and I have a. 234 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: Production company called Hidden Light, and we produced a film 235 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: called Zorowski Versus Texas, which is about three really brave 236 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: women in. 237 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 4: Texas who sued the. 238 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: Government of Texas because they were denied the care they needed. 239 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: One woman was literally, you know, bleeding out, another woman 240 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: was forced to carry a dead baby to term, and 241 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: another woman had to leave the state. 242 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 4: These are not hypotheticals. Thousands and thousands and thousands. 243 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: Of women in these states are experiencing these kinds of 244 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: medical crises. So you can have national laws that then 245 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: have to be enforced. Obviously, the states try to find, 246 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: you know, federal judges that mostly Trump put on the 247 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: bend who will agree with them. But eventually you could 248 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 3: get to codifying Roe v. Wade, bringing Roe v. Wade 249 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: back by a national law, and trying to save women's lives, 250 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: and trying to give doctors and nurses permission to actually 251 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: help women and not be afraid that they'll end up 252 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: in jail. 253 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: I think those personal stories have to be told more. 254 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: And the so called abortion after birth that Donald Trump 255 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: keeps talking about, I'm like, that's called homicide. And finally 256 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: he was corrected during the ABC debate. So thank you 257 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: Lindsey Davis for that. I could talk to you for 258 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: like eight hours, you know, But I feel like, since 259 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: we're approaching the anniversary, we need to talk about October seventh. 260 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: I know you've joined the faculty at Columbia, you were 261 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: teaching last year when the attacks happened. How frustrating is 262 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: it that we're approaching the one year mark. Twelve hundred 263 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: Israelis killed, more than two hundred taken hostage, and by 264 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: some estimates, forty thousand Palestinians killed Now some people say 265 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: that's too low, some people say that's too high. But 266 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: one thing is certain, there doesn't seem to be a 267 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: resolution in sight. 268 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 269 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: Well, Katie, I think is certainly enormous effort being exercised 270 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 3: as we speak, because I do speak with people in 271 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 3: our government and occasionally people in other governments, about trying 272 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: to get to a cease fire, trying to get the 273 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: hostages back, trying to come up with a plan that 274 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: would free Gaza of a moss have a different Palestinian 275 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: government there, provide financial help to rebuild Gaza, have security 276 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: perhaps from Arab nations that would come to make sure 277 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 3: that you know, the people there could be free from intimidation. 278 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 4: That all has to happen. 279 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 3: And I know that even this week there is a 280 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 3: huge effort underway that not just the United States governments involved, 281 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: but the governments of Egypt and Cutter and European governments 282 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 3: all trying to. 283 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 4: Get to this ceasefire. 284 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: Now I have the experience of having negotiated a ceasefire 285 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 3: between Israel and Hamas in November of twenty twelve, and 286 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: it was while I was Secretary of State and Hamas 287 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: was firing rockets and killing Israelis, and Yahoo was the 288 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 3: Prime minister then just as now, and was planning a 289 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: ground invasion of Gaza. And so I was actually with 290 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: President Obama in Cambodia at a different meeting of Asian countries, 291 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: and so he and I talked about it, and I 292 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: flew from Cambodia to Israel and negotiated with the Israeli government, 293 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: went to Ramala to negotiated with the Palestinian authority. And 294 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 3: there was a new government in Egypt which was headed 295 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: by a president from the Muslim Brotherhood, and people didn't 296 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: know him well and they hadn't really tested him. And 297 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 3: I went to Cairo and negotiated with him, and he 298 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: did the right thing of you know, working with and 299 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 3: putting pressure on Hamas for a ceasefire. 300 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 4: So we got a ceasefire. 301 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: But it was intense effort and it wasn't anything like 302 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: the horrors of October seventh. So I know how hard 303 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: this is and how difficult, you know, the underlying issues are. 304 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: But I've got every hope that maybe we can get 305 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: to a ceasefire, and if we do, I think it's 306 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: possible that we could see some you know, really positive 307 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: uh commitments from Arab countries in the Gulf primarily uh 308 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: to be good partners in trying to help the Palestinians. 309 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: So that that's, you know, that base, that's based on 310 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 3: conversations I had as late as yesterday, and you know, 311 00:21:33,560 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: let's hope that they can get that done. 312 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the last ten minutes or so, 313 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: I told your team I may go over a little. 314 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow can wait right. I wanted to focus on 315 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: a few more personal aspects hillary of your book. You know, 316 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: one of the things that has helped you throughout your 317 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: life the ups and downs, is a circle of female friends, 318 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: many of whom you've had over a lifetime, your sister friends, 319 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: as Mia Angelou would say. Talk about why they've been 320 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: so important to you. I know you recently took a 321 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: trip to Vegas to see Adele. 322 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 4: I want to hear all about that trip. 323 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: Or is this a case of what happens in Vegas 324 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: stays in Vegas? 325 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 4: Was it like the female version of the hangover? Oh 326 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 4: what stays in Vegas? 327 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I have been blessed with a circle 328 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 3: of friends, as you say, Katie. In the book, I 329 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: write about some of my friends literally going back to 330 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 3: kindergarten and elementary and high school, and then so many 331 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: other friends over the course of my life, and and 332 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 3: literally I cannot imagine having lived the life I've lived 333 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 3: without having the friends that I've had. They have lifted 334 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: me up, they have kept me going, They have given 335 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: me advice. 336 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 4: Sometimes I didn't want to hear it, but I did. 337 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: And I have to say I was listening to Lyssa 338 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 3: when she came out. You know, I hired Lyssa to 339 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 3: work for me in the White House and she's been 340 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: a friend and a colleague ever since. And it's almost 341 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 3: impossible for me to think about taking on all of 342 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 3: these challenges that I've tried to address without my friends. 343 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 3: And my friends are you know, so important to me. 344 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: They show up for me. They you know, like the 345 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 3: like the Adele story. You know, one of you know, 346 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: three of my friends called me up shortly before my 347 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: birthday last year and basically started the conversation by saying, 348 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: you are really going to be old. I said, boy, 349 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 3: I could have gone all day without hearing that. And 350 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 3: after ribbing me some more because I'm older than they are, 351 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: they said, hey, you know I think girls trip. Yeah, 352 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 3: we're going to Vegas, we bought the tickets, We've done everything, 353 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 3: and you know, it's that kind and I try to 354 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: do it for them too. It's that kind of you know, 355 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: support and love that has just made you know, made 356 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: my life so rich and wonderful. 357 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: But you know, one of the trade offs being open 358 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: and vulnerable and close to people is you know, we're 359 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: starting to lose some of those people. And I know 360 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: you lost your lifelong best friend Betsy, who died of 361 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: breast cancer in twenty nineteen. It was just a little 362 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: over a month after you lost your brother Tony. And 363 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: this is something we all have to deal with. As 364 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, I lost my husband when he was forty 365 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: two and my sister in the span of five years. 366 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: And I just have to mention I so remember, we'll 367 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: always remember how kind you were. 368 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: Hillary. 369 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: Not only did you host an important event about coaling 370 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: cancer at the White House shortly after Jay died, but 371 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: you invited my sister Emily and me to have tea 372 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: with you at the White House when she was battling 373 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: pancreatic cancer and she had to drop out of the 374 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: race for Lieutenant governor. She was running with Mark Warner 375 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: in the state of Virginia. A lot of people thought 376 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: Emily would be the first female governor of Virginia. So 377 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: I'm curious, you know, the lessons you've learned. How you know, 378 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: I've learned a lot, but how you've been able to 379 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: cope with these tremendous losses that unfortunately we all experience 380 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: and experience more of as we get older. 381 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: You know, Katie, I think about you losing your husband 382 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: and losing your sister, and uh, she was so dynamic, 383 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: and you too, were just incredible together. 384 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 4: She was the real star of our family. Well you both, you. 385 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 3: Both had you know, just so much personality and intelligence 386 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: and just fun and and you know that's something lost, 387 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: something gained. You know, I really think a lot about 388 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 3: all the people in my life that I've lost. And 389 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: you know, my my late brother Tony. You know, my 390 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 3: sister in law's here and one of his children as here, 391 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 3: and you know, it was just way too soon. And 392 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: I think about him all the time. I think about 393 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: you know, his you know, funny expressions and you know 394 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: the kind of jokes he used to tell, and growing 395 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: up with him, even though I was older, and I 396 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: and I, as you say, I mean, in a space 397 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 3: of three months, I lost a really close friend, Ellen Tausher, 398 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: former congresswoman from California, who also worked for me in 399 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: the state Department. Then I lost Tony, that I lost Betsy, 400 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 3: and it truly does just it just you know, it 401 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: just strikes your heart that you know, these are people 402 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: that were so much a part of your life and 403 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 3: they're gone, and I think about them all the time. 404 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 3: I write about my mother and my father. I mean 405 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 3: they've been you know, gone a while too, my dad longer. 406 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: And it's just part of life. And part of the 407 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 3: way that I think about it is showing up for 408 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 3: other people when they lose somebody because you just sharing 409 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: that experience, sharing the you know, the the grief that 410 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: comes with saying goodbye to somebody, telling stories that make 411 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: you laugh because you know there's always something to remember 412 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: about someone, you know, it just helps ease the pain. 413 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, you went on to be 414 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 3: so focused on colon cancer and it was a way 415 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: of you know, taking your grief and putting it to 416 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 3: work to try to help other people. And so I 417 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 3: feel very much the same way. I mean, how do 418 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 3: we try to you know, ease each other's lives rather 419 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: than being you know, so negative. How do we try 420 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 3: to find the joy in life? And how do we 421 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 3: try to help each other? 422 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: I remember when my mom died, my minister called me. 423 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: This always makes me sound like I go to church 424 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: all the time, but I really don't, but I do sometimes. 425 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: And he called and he said, those who love love 426 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: deeply grief deeply. And it kind of switched turned to 427 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: switch in me and made me go from feeling feelings 428 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: so over was sorrow and it made me feel so 429 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: much gratitude that I was able to love and be 430 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: loved so intensely that the loss affected me so profoundly. 431 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 4: If that makes sense, it makes perfect sense. 432 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: And you know, there's a wonderful quote from Thornton Wilder 433 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: in the Bridge of San Luis, Rey where he said, 434 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 3: you know, there's the land of the living and the 435 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: land of the dead, but the bridge is love. I mean, 436 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 3: just because somebody's gone, you don't stop loving that person. 437 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: You don't stop thinking about that person, you don't stop 438 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: remembering special moments with that person. And I think that 439 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: you know, your minister, who's probably had to say that 440 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: to a lot of people, understood exactly what needed to 441 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 3: be said, so that you could feel that the grief 442 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: was part of the fact that you had loved Jay 443 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 3: so much. I mean, you know, I I really write 444 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 3: about my faith in this book too, because it's gotten 445 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 3: me through a lot. My friends and my faith have 446 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 3: been incredible support systems for me. And when you go 447 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: through hard times with people, you know, you need, whether 448 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 3: you're religious or not, you need to kind of fill 449 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 3: your mind and your heart with the wisdom of other 450 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: people so that you have something to fall back on 451 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: and you're not just taking that journey by yourself. 452 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: You write a lot about Bill, who's now writing his 453 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: own book. You talk about your relationship, which is really interesting, 454 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: which I think has been more scrutinized, the most scrutinized 455 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: relationship in history. Thanks after a little teaser, we're almost 456 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: out of time, but I spy a little friendship bracelet 457 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: on that left wrist. 458 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: Yes, a young woman in the crowd gave these to me, 459 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: and I love I love having them because you know what, 460 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: I love Taylor Swift. 461 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: Seem somebody tweeted the opposite today, Oh my goodness. 462 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 4: Or yesterday, I can't remember. 463 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: Do you think her endorsement will have an impact on 464 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: the election? I mean hundreds of thousands of people visited 465 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: that website to at least consider registering to vote. Right, 466 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: we don't know if they actually did. 467 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Look, I think you know I am you know, 468 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 3: I am somebody who believes there are many, many, many 469 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 3: different doors that can open to bring somebody to voting 470 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 3: and voting for a particular candidate, And. 471 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 4: And celebrities can do that. 472 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: You know, somebody who may may not think much about voting, 473 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's just not you know, they're young, or 474 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 3: they're busy, or whatever the reason might be. You know, 475 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: that can break through and they can stop and think, wow. 476 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: You know what Taylor Swift said in her endorsement is 477 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: she did her research and you know, talked about why 478 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 3: she made that decision. So you know, somebody who admires her, 479 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 3: who's a fan of hers, reading that say, oh well, 480 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 3: maybe that, you know, can influence me to think about it. 481 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think all of that makes a difference. 482 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 3: It's these elections are so close, they're all on the margins, 483 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: and anything that can inspire somebody to actually vote and 484 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 3: hopefully vote, you know, for their own future, which means 485 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 3: voting for you know, the vice president. 486 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 4: To me, that's good. That's all to the good. 487 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: And if if Kamala Harris is elected, can you envision 488 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: a role for yourself in a Harris administration? 489 00:32:51,360 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, but what I what I canon 490 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: vision is to be as helpful as possible. You know, her, 491 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 3: her sister's a friend of mine, she worked for me 492 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: in my twenty sixteen campaign. Her husband as friends with 493 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: my husband and my son in law and my daughter. 494 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: I mean we really feel, you know, very connected to 495 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 3: her and her family. 496 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: So you hosted a number of dinners for her at 497 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: your house when. 498 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I hosted a dinner and she was 499 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 4: vice president at the beginning. Yeah, and you know Doug 500 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 4: has been over to our house. 501 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 3: I mean yes, we really, we really think these you know, 502 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 3: are too remarkable and wonderful people. And so yeah, I 503 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: will do everything I can to help and every way. 504 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: So well, Hillary Clinton, such a pleasure, such an honor. 505 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 4: The book is something lost, something Gang. Thank you so 506 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 4: so much. I hope you enjoyed the book. 507 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Everyone. 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