WEBVTT - How Nuclear Power Plants Work

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>how Stuff Works and I love all things tech, and

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<v Speaker 1>recently I got some requests to talk about some subjects

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<v Speaker 1>related to nuclear power. Specifically, I had a request to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about cold fusion and whether there is any validity

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<v Speaker 1>to cold fusion claims and research, and that's a very

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<v Speaker 1>loaded subject and I will tackle it. But before I

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<v Speaker 1>can handle that topic, I thought we would be good

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<v Speaker 1>to do a couple of episodes about nuclear power to

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<v Speaker 1>lead up to it, and that includes how nuclear power

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<v Speaker 1>plants work today and how nuclear fusion reactors will work

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<v Speaker 1>in the future if we ever suss out how to

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<v Speaker 1>do them in a way that isn't a net loss

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<v Speaker 1>on energy and is sustainable. So today's episode is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be about new clear fission reactors. That's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>that we use today to generate electricity. Their nuclear power

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<v Speaker 1>plants all across the world, and all of the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that are not just pure research facilities are fission based.

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<v Speaker 1>And then fusion is something that is in a research

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<v Speaker 1>stage in various places around the world, and then this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually gonna be a nuclear power week because we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about cold fusion in the third episode.

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<v Speaker 1>In the fourth episode, I think I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a really close look at some of the famous nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>facility disasters, things like Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Fukushima reactor and talk about what happened in each of

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<v Speaker 1>those instances and what the consequences were, so that we

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<v Speaker 1>can have a deep understanding. Now, this is not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a series that is meant to scare you

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<v Speaker 1>about nuclear power. I actually believe that nuclear power, if

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<v Speaker 1>performed responsibly, is a good alternative to fossil fuel based power.

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<v Speaker 1>But the responsibly part is absolutely of paramount importance. And

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into why as I talk about this. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is not an anti nuclear power or even a

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<v Speaker 1>pro nuclear power episode. It's just to kind of give

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<v Speaker 1>us the understanding of what it is, what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the pros and the cons of it. So,

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<v Speaker 1>fission means they use a process to generate energy that

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<v Speaker 1>involves splitting one heavy atom into lighter atoms, and fusion

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<v Speaker 1>is the opposite. You would take two or more lighter

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<v Speaker 1>atoms and you squish them together real hard to make

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<v Speaker 1>into a heavier atom, and both processes release energy, though

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<v Speaker 1>a fusion reaction would release far more energy than a

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<v Speaker 1>fission reaction. I'll explain how that is in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, fission, well, it happens naturally with certain large

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<v Speaker 1>unstable atoms. Uranium, for example, It will spontaneously undergo fission

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<v Speaker 1>uranium two specifically, but it does so at a very

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<v Speaker 1>slow rate. But you can speed that rate up through

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<v Speaker 1>a process called induced fission. And generally speaking, induced fission

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<v Speaker 1>happens when you take a heavy and unstable atom and

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<v Speaker 1>you pelt it really hard with neutrons. You accelerate the

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<v Speaker 1>neutrons and you shoot them at these heavy isotopes, and

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<v Speaker 1>those isotopes break up into smaller components. That process generates

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of energy in the form of heat, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can use that heat to heat up water, preferably

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<v Speaker 1>in a separate, sealed system. Not all nuclear power plants

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<v Speaker 1>work that way, but about two thirds of the US

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear power plants do, And you convert the water into

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<v Speaker 1>steam and use that steam to turn turbines conducted to

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<v Speaker 1>generators to produce electricity. Now, in a way today's nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>power plants are really not all that different from coal

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<v Speaker 1>power plants or thermal plants that use solar power to

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<v Speaker 1>heat up water. And in all these cases, you use

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<v Speaker 1>a process to either generate or harness heat. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can burn cold to do that, you can harness

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<v Speaker 1>solar power to do that, you can use nuclear power

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. Use that heat to boil water, to

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<v Speaker 1>convert water into high pressure steam, and you direct that

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<v Speaker 1>steam to move turbines, and those turbines are electricity generators. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, the generators aren't generating energy because energy

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<v Speaker 1>can be neither created nor destroyed. You can convert energy

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<v Speaker 1>from one form to another. You can convert mass into energy,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't just create energy and of nothing. So

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<v Speaker 1>electricity generators are converting some form of energy into electricity. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>With steam turbines, we're talking about converting kinetic energy, the

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<v Speaker 1>energy of movement, into electrical energy. And here's how that works.

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<v Speaker 1>In a nutshell. Generators have many parts typically, but a

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<v Speaker 1>really important component is the alternator. And inside the alternator

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<v Speaker 1>you have a statter and you have a rotor. The

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<v Speaker 1>statter stays motionless with respect to the generator. It's remains

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<v Speaker 1>stationary motionless. The rotor, as a name suggests, rotates on

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<v Speaker 1>its axis. So it rotates. Uh. Typically the statter has

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<v Speaker 1>an iron core and you have conductive wire or cable

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped around that iron core. So you think about this,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds oh, it sounds like an electro magnet. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of. The rotor typically has permanent magnets or some

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<v Speaker 1>other thing that generates a magnetic field, and as the

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<v Speaker 1>rotor rotates, this magnetic field moves with the rotation. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is essentially a fluctuating magnetic field. And as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a fluctuation magnetic field and you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a a conductive wire that's wrapped around an iron core,

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<v Speaker 1>that can induce or it does induce a voltage difference

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<v Speaker 1>in that conductive material and that wire, and that voltage

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<v Speaker 1>difference produces alternating current or a c electricity. There are

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<v Speaker 1>tons of different types of generators out there. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>them burn fuel in a in an engine that creates

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<v Speaker 1>the energy needed to move a motor, which in turn

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<v Speaker 1>rotates the rotor. So you can take fuel, you can

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<v Speaker 1>burn it in an engine and use that engine to

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<v Speaker 1>work with a generator to produce electricity, so you just

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<v Speaker 1>refill the uh that the engine whenever the fuel runs out,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can keep on generating electricity this way, or

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<v Speaker 1>you could use turbines that are turned by stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>wind or water. So with a typical steam turbine, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a closed system in which a heat source heats

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<v Speaker 1>up water until it boils and creates high pressure steam.

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<v Speaker 1>That high pressure means the steam has got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of energy behind it, and the steam encounters the first

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<v Speaker 1>blades of the turbine. Typically turbines consist of multiple blades,

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<v Speaker 1>and they start in a very kind of tight circle,

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<v Speaker 1>and then as you go further into the turbine, the

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<v Speaker 1>circles are getting bigger and bigger because steam expands as

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<v Speaker 1>it's moving through this turbine system, and the fans are

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<v Speaker 1>angled so that the push from the steam creates a

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<v Speaker 1>rotational force on the turbine and it turns the rotor.

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<v Speaker 1>So steam passes through the fan blades, it expands, it

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<v Speaker 1>keeps pushing those next series of fans. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>allows you to create a very efficient steam turbine design,

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<v Speaker 1>and it helps you capture as much of the energy

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<v Speaker 1>from the steam as you can. The turbines shaft, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, is connected to the rotor of the electrical

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<v Speaker 1>generator that produces the rotational energy that creates the fluctuating

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Now, the steam continues through

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<v Speaker 1>the system after passing through the turbine, and it cools

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<v Speaker 1>down as it does so typically through exposure to some

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<v Speaker 1>other part of this system. And as it cools down,

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<v Speaker 1>it condenses back into water and it flows back into

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<v Speaker 1>the boiler where the whole process can start over again.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, with nuclear power, you're using a different material

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<v Speaker 1>and process to create the heat than you would with

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<v Speaker 1>a coal power plant, and there's a need to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure the systems in a nuclear power plant are secure

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<v Speaker 1>and separate from each other to prevent contamination, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least shielded very very well if you have a full

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<v Speaker 1>implemented system. So if the water is actually passing through

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<v Speaker 1>the reactor and that same water is the water that's

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<v Speaker 1>converted into steam to pass with the turbine, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that that facility is very well shielded.

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<v Speaker 1>Most nuclear power plants have two water systems. They have

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<v Speaker 1>one that's the coolant uh and then they have a

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<v Speaker 1>secondary one where there's a heat exchanger that sends the

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<v Speaker 1>heat from the coolant into this boiler, which then boils

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<v Speaker 1>off the water and create steam. And the two systems

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<v Speaker 1>are separate. They don't they don't come into direct contact

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<v Speaker 1>with each other, so you don't pass radioactive contaminants from

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<v Speaker 1>the coolant into the steam that you're using to turn

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<v Speaker 1>the turbines. Now, the isotope most commonly associated with nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>power is uranium two thirty five, but plutonium two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>nine is also used in some reactors, and there are

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<v Speaker 1>some nuclear power proponents who really advocate a thorium based

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<v Speaker 1>power plant. More on that later in this episode. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've said the word isotope a few times. Why does

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<v Speaker 1>that actually mean. Well, isotopes are two or more forms

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<v Speaker 1>of the same element, meaning uh, two or more forms

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<v Speaker 1>that all have the same number of protons. Because if

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<v Speaker 1>you have different number of protons and you have different elements,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're looking at two different atoms that represent the

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<v Speaker 1>same element, and they have the same number of protons,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have different numbers of neutrons from each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Neutrons are particles have a neutral charge. You find them

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<v Speaker 1>in the nuclei of atoms. They don't affect the chemical

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<v Speaker 1>properties of the element, but isotopes do have different atomic

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<v Speaker 1>masses relative to one another, so they are chemically identical,

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<v Speaker 1>but from a nuclear process perspective, they are different. So

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<v Speaker 1>uranium two thirty five is as you would imagine an

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<v Speaker 1>isotope of uranium. It is not the most commonly found

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<v Speaker 1>form of uranium in nature. The most common form of

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<v Speaker 1>uranium is uranium two thirty eight. Uranium two thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>has ninety two protons and one forty six neutrons. Uranium

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty five has ninety two protons and one forty

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<v Speaker 1>three neutrons. Uranium two thirty five makes up less than

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of all naturally occurring uranium in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has a half life of nearly seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>four million years, which means if you have a qual

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<v Speaker 1>unto ty of uranium to thirty five any given amount.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say that you have a pound of uranium two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five. That's an enormous amount of uranium two thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say you have a pound of it, it

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<v Speaker 1>would take approximately seven four million years for that uranium

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty five to reduce in half through radioactive decay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you would end up with half a pound on

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<v Speaker 1>average after seven four million years. More or less. This

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<v Speaker 1>is essentially uh the rate of radioactive decay. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think we could actually do a lot better than that

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<v Speaker 1>if we really put our minds to it, And I'll

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<v Speaker 1>explain how in just a second, but first let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break to thank our sponsor. Okay, So, uranium

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty five will spontaneously decay and release energy in

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<v Speaker 1>the process, and when it decay as uranium two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five will split to create an alpha particle that's technically

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<v Speaker 1>two protons and two neutrons that are bound together. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no standard equation we can use to represent spontaneous

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<v Speaker 1>fission for uranium two thirty five because the results are unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you were to trace the chain of decay,

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<v Speaker 1>the chain of decay goes like this. And pardon me,

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<v Speaker 1>because this gets really kind of ridiculous to describe it all,

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<v Speaker 1>but all right, you start with uranium two thirty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and that decays into thorium two thirty one, which decays

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<v Speaker 1>into protact tenium. And I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one that decays into actinium to twenty seven, which

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<v Speaker 1>decays into thorium to twenty seven, which then decays into

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<v Speaker 1>radium to twenty three, which then decays into rate on

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<v Speaker 1>to nineteen, and then to polonium to fifteen, and then

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<v Speaker 1>to lead to eleven, to bismuth to eleven, to thallium

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<v Speaker 1>two oh seven, and then finally to lead too oh seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Lead to oh seven is a stable atom, so it

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<v Speaker 1>will not decay at least not through any observable time

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<v Speaker 1>frame that we can talk about, so that's a relief.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I mentioned earlier, if uranium two thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>gets hit with a high speed neutron, it can absorb

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<v Speaker 1>that neutron and then undergo fission. So as the uranium

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty five atom splits, it can release two or

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<v Speaker 1>three more neutrons, which is also unpredictable. It all depends

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<v Speaker 1>on how the uranium splits, but we cannot predict how

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<v Speaker 1>many neutrons would be given off by any one reaction. However,

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<v Speaker 1>those two or three neutrons can then go and get

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<v Speaker 1>absorbed by other uranium two thirty five atoms. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have enough uranium two thirty five atoms concentrated in the

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<v Speaker 1>same space, then the decay of one can affect another one,

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<v Speaker 1>and if a neutron from one decaying uranium two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five atom hits another, then that will prompt another reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you have the right concentration of uranium two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five, called a critical mass, you can have a

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<v Speaker 1>sustained nuclear reaction. Now there has to be enough uranium

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty five and the neutrons need to be moving

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<v Speaker 1>at the right speed for that to happen. With lower

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<v Speaker 1>concentrations of uranium two thirty five, you actually need to

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<v Speaker 1>slow down the neutrons a bit in order to improve

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<v Speaker 1>the chances that the existing uranium two thirty five atoms

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<v Speaker 1>will absorb that incoming neutron. So you would typically use

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<v Speaker 1>another material like graphite to act like kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a set of breaks. They slow down the neutrons enough

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<v Speaker 1>for the uranium two thirty five atoms to take them

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<v Speaker 1>in and then split apart. That type of material is

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<v Speaker 1>called a moderator. Use a moderator to moderate the speed

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<v Speaker 1>of the neutrons. That reaction will sustain itself until the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of uranium two thirty five reduces below critical mass. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one atom of uran two thirty five will release about

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred million electron volts worth of energy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>actually not a very large amount of energy. So an

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<v Speaker 1>electron vault is the amount of energy gained by the

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<v Speaker 1>charge of an electron moved across an electric potential difference

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<v Speaker 1>of one vault. So two hundred million electron volts sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot, because two hundred million is a really

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<v Speaker 1>big number, But a mosquito in flight has the kinetic

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<v Speaker 1>energy of about one trillion electron volts, so it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fraction of the energy of a mosquito flying. However, I

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<v Speaker 1>did say a single decaying atom of uranium two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five releases two hundred million electron volts. That's just one atom.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've got a significant amount of uranium two thirty five,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about billions or trillions of these atoms, and

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<v Speaker 1>that adds up pretty darn fast. So individually the atoms

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<v Speaker 1>don't have that much energy, but collectively they've got a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of it. In fact, in one hound of uranium,

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<v Speaker 1>you have as much energy as three million pounds of coal,

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<v Speaker 1>so very energy dense. When a uranium two thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>atom splits, it also releases energy in the form of

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<v Speaker 1>heat and gamma radiation. It's not just splitting neutrons off,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also releasing heat and gamma radiation, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>high energy photons. In addition, the two new atoms that

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<v Speaker 1>result from the fission of uranium two thirty five will

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<v Speaker 1>undergo beta radiation, which means they release super fast electrons,

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<v Speaker 1>and they also release more gamma radiation. A gamma radiation

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty dangerous stuff. It will not turn you into

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<v Speaker 1>the hook, it will hurt you very badly. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the innards of a nuclear reactor. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to get a source of uranium two thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>enriched uranium two thirty five. That means that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>higher concentration of uranium two thirty five in your amount

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<v Speaker 1>of uranium and you would find in nature. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you went out in nature, you got yourself a pick,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're going to an area that's rich in uranium.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you mind yourself some uranium and you get a

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<v Speaker 1>big chunk of uranium. Most of the atoms of that

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<v Speaker 1>uranium are going to be you two thirty eight, almost

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<v Speaker 1>all of them. Uranium two thirty five would make up

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<v Speaker 1>about point seven two of all the atoms in that

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<v Speaker 1>sample you collected. That is not enough for you to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to hit critical mass. You need to be

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<v Speaker 1>at around two or three percent uranium two thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>in the overall sample in order to have that sustainable

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear reaction, which means you have to have enriched uranium.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to have uranium that has unnaturally high concentrations

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<v Speaker 1>of uranium two thirty five. And you form these samples

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<v Speaker 1>of enriched uranium into pellets. Now, each pellet is a

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<v Speaker 1>cylinder that's about two and a half centimeters long or

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<v Speaker 1>about an inch long, and they have a diameter of

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<v Speaker 1>around eighteen millimeters round points seven inches, so in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>they are about the diameter of a US dime. And

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<v Speaker 1>you take these little cylindrical pellets and you put them

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<v Speaker 1>end to end to form rods, uranium rods. You then

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<v Speaker 1>collect bunches of those rods into what are called bundles.

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<v Speaker 1>The bundles you put into a pressure vessel that's filled

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<v Speaker 1>with water, and the water access you're coolant. These nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>reactions generate a lot of heat, and without a coolant,

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<v Speaker 1>that amount of heat would be high enough to actually

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<v Speaker 1>melt the rods themselves. That rods would overheat through these

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<v Speaker 1>reactions and we get hotter than the melting point for uranium.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what we in the BIZ call a nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>melt down, and it is a bad thing to have happen,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have to have that coolant there. Another preventive

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<v Speaker 1>measure against overheating are the control rods. Control rods are

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<v Speaker 1>made out of a material that can absorb neutrons. Now, remember,

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<v Speaker 1>the sustained nuclear reaction of a nuclear power plant involves

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<v Speaker 1>uranium two thirty five emitting these neutrons and then absorbing

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<v Speaker 1>incoming neutrons, emitting, splitting, and emitting more neutrons, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what keeps the reaction going. So if you put in

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<v Speaker 1>material that can absorb those neutrons, you're taking away the

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<v Speaker 1>trigger that would continue to allow this nuclear reaction to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can actually use these sort of robotic arms

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<v Speaker 1>to lower or raise the control rods out of the

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<v Speaker 1>bundles of uranium to and by uh by putting them

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<v Speaker 1>into the bundles, you absorb more of those neutrons, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can reduce the rate of nuclear reaction. You can

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<v Speaker 1>even stop it completely if you if you leave it

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<v Speaker 1>in there long enough and you have enough of the

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<v Speaker 1>control rods there, or you can lift it out of

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<v Speaker 1>the bundles to allow more of those reactions to occur,

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<v Speaker 1>to increase the reactions, And it all depends on how

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<v Speaker 1>things are going on in the core at any given time,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, if the reaction is ramping up too quickly

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<v Speaker 1>lower a rod in the bundle soak up some neutrons

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<v Speaker 1>prevent those YouTube thirty five atoms and the bundles from

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<v Speaker 1>doing it and pushing the reaction even further. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>some reactors, the coolant isn't water at all, It might

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<v Speaker 1>be something else. There are a few that use gas

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<v Speaker 1>based coolants like carbon dioxide, or they might use liquid

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<v Speaker 1>metals like sodium or potassium. That generally allows you to

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<v Speaker 1>operate at a higher temperature than you would if you

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<v Speaker 1>were using water, but that also could mean that you're

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<v Speaker 1>burning through fuel a lot faster. So in some reactors,

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<v Speaker 1>like the third of the ones that are in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, the coolant is in fact the water that

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<v Speaker 1>gets converted into steam and eventually pushes a turbine. But

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<v Speaker 1>again that can be risky because that coolant has been

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<v Speaker 1>in direct contact with the radioactive materials. So if that

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<v Speaker 1>steam were to escape him, then that could be a

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<v Speaker 1>potential hazard for the surrounding environment. Generally, most of the

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<v Speaker 1>power plants in the United States use pressurized water reactors

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<v Speaker 1>and a secondary closed system of water for the purposes

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<v Speaker 1>of turning the turbines. Two thirds of the power plants

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<v Speaker 1>the United States use this approach. So you have the

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<v Speaker 1>water the coolant that's inside your nuclear reactor under a

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous amount of pressure, and that pressure prevents the water

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<v Speaker 1>from boiling off. It remains liquid, so it's superheated liquid

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<v Speaker 1>that cannot boil because of that pressure. But that superheated

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<v Speaker 1>liquid is in contact with a heat exchanger, and the

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<v Speaker 1>heat exchanger transfers heat to the water that's inside a boiler,

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<v Speaker 1>and that water can boil off, turn into steam, and

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<v Speaker 1>turn steam turbines, but it's in its own closed, parallel system,

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<v Speaker 1>so the two systems don't actually share any water between

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<v Speaker 1>the two of them, and that way you have one

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<v Speaker 1>relatively clean system of water that's consistently being heated to steam,

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<v Speaker 1>turning turbines, condensing back into water and starting over again,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have the other one that's acting as

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<v Speaker 1>the coolant for your actual reactor. Two thirds of the

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<v Speaker 1>power plants in the United States use that approach. The

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<v Speaker 1>steam that powers the turbine has to cool off in

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<v Speaker 1>order to condense back into water, so some plants will

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<v Speaker 1>use water from natural resources like lakes or streams to

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<v Speaker 1>cool that steam using another form of heat exchange. So

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<v Speaker 1>the steam exchanges heat, it transfers heat to the water

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<v Speaker 1>from the lake or stream, and then as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>the steam itself starts to cool down because it's pushed

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<v Speaker 1>that heat energy off to a different source and turns

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<v Speaker 1>into water. Other nuclear power plants have those really tall

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<v Speaker 1>cooling towers. Those are those iconic, enormous chimney like structures

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<v Speaker 1>that we tend to associate with nuclear power plants. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you watch the Simpsons, you see that that iconic

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<v Speaker 1>shape of the cooling towers next to the power plant

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<v Speaker 1>in in Springfield. So for every unit of electricity produced

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<v Speaker 1>by a power plant, it about two units of waste

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<v Speaker 1>heat get transferred to the environment. But that's just heat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it is heat, but it's not greenhouse gas, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not something that contributes to climate change on a

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<v Speaker 1>global scale. You get some regionalized heating, but it's temporary,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's good. But nuclear power plants obviously create some

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<v Speaker 1>real challenges. What are those Well, I'll tell you in

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<v Speaker 1>just a second, but first let's take another quick break

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsor. Because the energy from a nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>reactor includes stuff that can really cause harm to humans

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<v Speaker 1>in various ways, the nuclear reactor itself has to be

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<v Speaker 1>heavily shielded to prevent that radiation from getting out into

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<v Speaker 1>the general environment. Typically, the reactor has a concrete liner

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<v Speaker 1>to act as a radiation shield, and around that line

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<v Speaker 1>inner so one layer out. Think of it as an onion.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got a reactor at the core of the

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<v Speaker 1>onion that you've got a peel of the onion. Layer

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<v Speaker 1>of the onion that is the concrete liner. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>have another layer around that that's a steel containment vessel,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the power plant itself is typically made out

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<v Speaker 1>of very thick concrete that access sort of a final

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<v Speaker 1>layer of protection between the reactor and the surrounding area

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<v Speaker 1>if all else were to fail. In addition, the spent

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<v Speaker 1>fuel in a fission reactor is itself radioactive. It contains

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different radioactive materials in it of various

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<v Speaker 1>uh half life's so some of those half lives are

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<v Speaker 1>on the matter of days or a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>but others last a lot longer. The equipment and parts

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<v Speaker 1>of a nuclear power plant can absorb energy and become

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<v Speaker 1>radioactive as well. That is what we call low level

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<v Speaker 1>radioactive material or radioactive waste. UH that is much lower

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<v Speaker 1>in radioactivity and in potential danger than say, spent fuel is.

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<v Speaker 1>But however, this all creates challenges when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do with that stuff? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>do with this waste? It's still dangerous. It emits a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of energy, It will eventually corrode whatever container you

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<v Speaker 1>put it into, and it will stay dangerous for thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of years, in some cases tens of thousands with high

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<v Speaker 1>level radiation, and it decays very slowly into stable forms,

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<v Speaker 1>but it'll do so long after we're gone. Keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind ten thousand years. That's the length of human history.

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<v Speaker 1>So this waste, some of it will remain dangerously radioactive,

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<v Speaker 1>as in the type of radiation it gives off could

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<v Speaker 1>cause harm for thousands of years. The most dangerous stuff

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<v Speaker 1>tends to decay much faster, but it's not really that reassuring,

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<v Speaker 1>So we have to figure out what do we do

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<v Speaker 1>with this stuff? Well, nuclear power plants produce about two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand metric tons of nuclear waste every year. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties, one plan for dealing with waste involved

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<v Speaker 1>reprocessing the nuclear waste in order to produce new fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of those products of reprocessing is plutonium, and

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<v Speaker 1>plutonium two thirty eight can be used as a nuclear fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>You make it by bombarding uranium two thirty eight with neutrons,

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<v Speaker 1>so uranium two thirty five. When you do that, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you have as a uh fission fuel. Uranium two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight. You can't use that to create a sustainable

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<v Speaker 1>fission reaction, but you can bombard it with neutrons to

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<v Speaker 1>create plutonium two thirty eight, which in turn is a

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<v Speaker 1>good source for fission fuel. So that was a possibility. However,

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<v Speaker 1>plutonium two thirty eight can also be used to make

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapons, and in the nineteen seventies, US President Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Carter argued that reprocessing nuclear fuel presented a grave secure

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<v Speaker 1>risk that the plutonium produced would be attempting target for

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<v Speaker 1>agents that wish to create nuclear weapons. You could have

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<v Speaker 1>terrorists or foreign net agents that we're trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>hold of that plutonium. At least that was Carter's argument,

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<v Speaker 1>and so reprocessing was kind of put on the shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>It was said, well, we're not gonna allow that process

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<v Speaker 1>to happen because it's too dangerous. In addition, on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that, reprocessing fuel was seen as being really expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was generally thought that mining new uranium fuel

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<v Speaker 1>made more economic sense. So you can kind of see

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<v Speaker 1>this in other areas too, Like in recycling. There are

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<v Speaker 1>certain materials where recycling makes incredible sense because the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of energy and money you spend recycling that material is

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<v Speaker 1>less than what it would take for you to mine

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<v Speaker 1>and process new material. But some stuff like glass glass

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<v Speaker 1>is so easy to make that re cycling it is

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<v Speaker 1>a tough sell because the process of recycling glass takes

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<v Speaker 1>about as much energy and effort as it would take

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<v Speaker 1>to make brand new glass. Well, that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the argument that the nuclear industry was making about reprocessing.

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 1>They said, yeah, we could make more efficient use of

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>this fuel, but it's not like it's super cheap to

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>do compared to just getting new fuels, So why should

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>we invest and these reprocessing facilities which will cost a

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 1>huge amount of money to create and then maintain when

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>we can just keep mining the stuff that's already there.

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>So there are two big arguments against reprocessing in the seventies.

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>But that would mean that we would have two different

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>sets of nuclear power plants, because you would use one

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>that has uranium two thirty five that would produce the

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>neutrons that you could then use to create the plutonium

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 1>two thirty nine. And uh so you've got the uranium

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>two power plants. Those are generating a ectricity, and then

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>you've got the plutonium two thirty nine power plants. Those

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>are generating electricity to thirty five is feeding the fuel

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 1>into the two thirty nine plutonium ones. So they would

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 1>becomes what we would call a breeder plant. We call

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>them breeders because they create the fuel that will be

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>used in a different facility. So the idea was that, hey,

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>you've got a much more efficient use of the material

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>because you're you're able not actually to use it twice,

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.239
<v Speaker 1>but you're able to use more of the material you

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>have mind to produce electricity, and that's how power plants

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>in countries like France operate to this day. You have

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>some that are essentially those breeders, and you have others

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 1>that are plutonium two thirty nine plants, and so in

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 1>France of their electricity comes from nuclear power, which means

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>that if there's an oil crisis or even a uranium crisis,

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>they're still in pretty good shape because most of their

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>power plants depend on plutonium, and you don't need that

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>much uranium to start producing plutonium in amounts large enough

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>to create electricity. So France argues that their emphasis on

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>nuclear power gives them more national security because they depend

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>less on foreign countries to produce the fuel they need.

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Critics of Jimmy Carter's plan said that while plutonium might

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>have presented attempting target, it would actually in practicality be

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>very difficult to pull off a successful plutonium heist or

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>an attack. But as of now in the United States,

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>reprocessing is a moot point. So that still leaves the

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 1>question what are we to do with nuclear waste at

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>the moment. Various sites around the world are acting as

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>temporary holding facilities. There's some permanent ones in other parts

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>of the world, but in the United States, the plants

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 1>that produce the waste are the ones that are storing

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the waste on site, so usually the first step is

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>to store the way to what are called spent fuel

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>cooling pools. Uh. These are enormous tanks filled with circulating water,

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>and you put the spent fuel in there to keep

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>the fuel from overheating through its own natural radioactive decay.

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 1>But as those pools fill up, you gotta do something

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>else with that spent fuel. So spent nuclear fuel at

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that point tends to be merged with glass. We we've

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 1>vitrified in glass, and then we store that in steel

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and concrete casks, which are incredibly thick and secure, and

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>in turn we put those in cooled, heavily shielded facilities. Now,

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>there have been several sites suggested as long term storage facilities,

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>since the stuff is going to be radioactive for tens

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>of thousands of years, so we need to find a

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>place to put it that's going to be far away

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>from people, far away from other elements of the environment

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>that could possibly contaminate, like sources of water, that kind

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 1>of thing. But understandably, people living in the general area

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>around those per post sites aren't too keen to have

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>nuclear waste nearby, even if it is under tons of

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>stone like beneath Yuck a mountain in Nevada. Now that

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 1>particular site is the one that has been proposed as

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the long term storage facility of the United States. But

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Nevada does not have any nuclear power plants of its own,

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 1>so the state would be accepting incoming spent nuclear fuel

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>from other states. Now, that is to put it lightly

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>a hard sell. I mean, imagine, let's say that we're

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about garbage instead. And let's say that the state

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>has somehow managed to create a system where they are

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>producing net zero garbage. Somehow they're able to process the

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>garbage to the point where they don't need any garbage

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>facilities because they're not generating any And then they get

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>notifications from all these states nearby that say, hey, we

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>want to put our garbage in your state. Well, most

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>states are going to say, no, we we fixed our problem.

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>We don't need to take your garbage. That's kind of

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>the way it was with Nevada. And there's there are

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>tons of different groups that oppose the storage of nuclear

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>waste and yucka mountain for lots of different reasons. There

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>are cultural groups that oppose it for that reason. There

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>are state and regional groups that oppose it for kind

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>of in that not in my backyard sort of approach.

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>There are i'd say, there are people on the nuclear

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>power proponents side who would describe some of these reactions

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 1>as knee jerk. I think that's being a little unfair, because,

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>for one, the concept of harm from nuclear waste is

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>one that has been deeply ingrained in the American psyche

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 1>through pop culture and through news reports. So the general

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>American has a very negative view of what might happen

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>with nuclear waste should something go wrong, So naturally you

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>don't want it near you. Also, uh, you know, unless

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about significant economic uh support going into a

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>state like Nevada, which does not have its own nuclear

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>power plants, to say hey, you'll you'll be the site

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 1>for this stuff. We're putting it in a place that

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 1>nobody can go and it's far, far far away from anybody,

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 1>so there's not going to be any issues with contamination.

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>But in return, we're also going to give your state

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the x amount of money in federal funding for being

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the site of this. That might go a long way

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>if you can make a very convincing argument that the

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>whole process is safe and reliable. But getting past that

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>hump is very difficult. To do, because again, people have

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 1>a concept that nuclear waste is such a dangerous and

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>undesirable thing that it's really hard to reassure them that

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>there is a way to do this responsibly. Now, as

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 1>of the recording of this podcast, Yuckum is essentially a

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>no go. The Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Commission have both requested money from Congress to continue the

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>work building out a repository, but both have encountered stiff

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>resistance from the government. The Obama administration ended federal funding

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand eleven and launched a new review for

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>potential long term storage sites. And we're kind of in

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>a holding pattern because since then the answer has been

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the same. The government has sort of refused to entertain

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the idea of funding the Yucca Mountain repository. Meanwhile, the

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure for nuclear power plants is aging towards the projected

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>end of their estimated lifespans, and facilities are having to

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.919
<v Speaker 1>store waste on site indefinitely. So these nuclear power plants,

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>when they were built, they were built with the engineers saying,

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>this facility, we're rating this facility for us, let's say

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 1>forty years. We think this facility will be able to

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>work at full capacity for forty years, and after that

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to build a new one. We're gonna

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:03.759
<v Speaker 1>have to renovate this one, we're gonna have to fix it,

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be. And we're getting in on that time,

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:11.320
<v Speaker 1>and some of them are past that time, and unless

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 1>more money comes into uh totally you know, refurbish or

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to build new facilities, those will be going offline one

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 1>by one. We've seen quite a few go offline since

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 1>the really since the eighties and moving forward. So uh,

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's tough because we don't have a place to

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:37.359
<v Speaker 1>put the waste, and we're starting to shut down these

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 1>nuclear power plants, and because we don't have an answer

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>of what to do with that waste, it's really hard

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:46.959
<v Speaker 1>to build new nuclear power plants, uh, even though they

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 1>currently produce about twenty of the electricity that the United

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>States uses. So eventually, if those all those power plants

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>go dark, you've got to figure out where that is

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>going to come from. Because our demand for electricity isn't

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>going down, it's going up every year. So that puts

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>a huge pressure on us to figure out where else

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 1>are we going to get this electricity? And the easiest

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 1>answer is fossil fuels, but we already know fossil fuels

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 1>contribute to climate change. They produce pollutants that are environmental

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 1>and health hazards, So not a great story. Now it's

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>easier to store low level waste. That stuff I was

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 1>telling you about where it's the equipment or the uniforms

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 1>is stuff like that stuff that was in the power

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 1>plant and absorbed radiation over time. Uh, But those materials

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>pose much less of a threat than spent nuclear fuel.

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 1>They will tend to uh have their radiation completely diminished

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>within three years, which is still a long time, but

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>a heck of a lot shorter than tens of thousands

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>of years. And again, like I said, some of the

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>most hazardous radioactive materials have a half life of around

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>ten years or less, but not all them do. And

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that's the problem. So telling someone, hey, within twenty years,

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 1>most of the stuff won't even be a problem anymore

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:09.840
<v Speaker 1>isn't necessarily the biggest winning argument you can make to

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 1>someone when you're trying to store nuclear waste. There. In

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>addition to all that, building nuclear power plants became economically challenging.

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 1>It's very expensive to build one, not just because the

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>technology is sophisticated and complicated and you've got to have

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of materials, but also there's a lot of

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.839
<v Speaker 1>bureaucracy surrounding the process. Not that the bureaucracy doesn't serve

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>a purpose. They're very strict protections and regulations that are

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>in place to require facilities to be built and operate

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>under safe guidelines. Those are absolutely necessary. There's a history

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 1>of of facilities that we're not operating up to those guidelines,

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 1>and that is not just criminal, but potentially deadly. So

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>those regulations and restrictions end up adding to the cost obviously,

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and while nuclear power has compelling positive arguments compared to

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.359
<v Speaker 1>a again like coal power plants, it might make more

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>economic sense to look elsewhere if you're getting into the

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>energy biz. And then of course we have the famous disasters,

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:14.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff like Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima. And as

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm going to do an episode soon that

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>explains what happened in each of those three cases and

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 1>what we learned as a result of those. But they

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 1>certainly have gone a long way to discourage support for

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.879
<v Speaker 1>nuclear power. If you can point to a disaster that's

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 1>a pretty powerful con argument, and earlier I mentioned thorium

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 1>reactors as a proposed alternative to the traditional you two

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:40.479
<v Speaker 1>thirty five ones. These reactors wouldn't use thorium itself for fuel. Rather,

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>a facility would process thorium two thirty two and create

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 1>an isotope called uranium two thirty three. Uranium two thirty

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>three is unstable, you will not find it out in nature,

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 1>but it is fiscile, meaning like you two thirty five,

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you can create a sustained nuclear reaction using this fuel.

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.919
<v Speaker 1>In addition, proponents say thorium based plants would produce less

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.839
<v Speaker 1>nuclear waste, they would be more efficient at producing energy,

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>and thorium is more plentiful than uranium. Now I'll have

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>to do a full episode about thorium plants, but that

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that's further in the future. I'm not gonna do more

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 1>than one week of nuclear power stories at a time.

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll revisit that. But here's one fun local fact, something

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>that you guys can look forward to. I learned that,

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'm amazed that I'd never heard this before, But

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I live within an hour of a radiated site, and

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I learned about this in a book titled Atomic Awakening.

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>By James Mahaffee, and the radiated site is now known

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:45.800
<v Speaker 1>as the Dawson Forest Wildlife Area. That's about fifty miles

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>north of Atlanta, the city where I live, and formerly

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 1>this was the Georgia Nuclear Aircraft Laboratory, which was a

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>top secret R and D facility operated by the Air Force.

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:01.359
<v Speaker 1>And the story behind it is really interesting and I

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>think I'm actually gonna take a little trip with guys

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 1>from stuff they don't want you to know, and we're

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>all going to visit it with Geiger counters. So stay

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 1>tuned for that. I'm sure I'll give a glowing review.

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.520
<v Speaker 1>That about wraps it up for this episode of tech Stuff.

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:18.399
<v Speaker 1>In our next episode, I'll talk about fusion reactors. If

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0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.840
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0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.200
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0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.000
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0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.480
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0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.799
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