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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Tony Peterson to explore the

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Speaker 2: art of making better decisions and creating more satisfying hunting experiences.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by First Light, and today we're continuing the

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Speaker 2: trend that we started last week by kind of taking

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Speaker 2: a deep breath. I want us to take a deep

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Speaker 2: breath in, take a deep breath out, let our shoulders

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Speaker 2: sag down, kind of shake off all of the work

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Speaker 2: and thinking. And I don't know, we've been diving into

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Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff this winter and spring. We spent

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Speaker 2: a bunch of time talking about habitat, We dove deep

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Speaker 2: into some conservation topics. We just came off of a

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Speaker 2: full month of parenting discussions, and now we're in the

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Speaker 2: summer and I kind of want us to kind of

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Speaker 2: shake everything off and get ready for the big push

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Speaker 2: into hunting season. So what I've kind of been feeling

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Speaker 2: this month is is letting our hair down and just

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Speaker 2: having a little fun. Last week we did that with Dan,

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Speaker 2: catching up on things over the last ten years, and

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Speaker 2: today we've got my buddy right hand man, Tony Peterson

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Speaker 2: on to do the same thing. And Tony, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you know this, but I told Dan Johnson,

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Speaker 2: our fellow, our mutual friend, that this is our tenth

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Speaker 2: year of the Wired Hunt podcast. We've entered the tenth season.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe that a decade of this thing?

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Speaker 3: I actually kind of can't. Why. It's kind of incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's, uh, it's not so ten years of

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Speaker 2: the podcast and fifteen years of Wired to Hunt since

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Speaker 2: it's you know, it's a website and stuff before that.

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Speaker 2: So it's shocking to me how fast that's all gone.

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Speaker 2: But part of what I did with Dan last week,

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Speaker 2: that's something I'm going to ask you about in here second.

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Speaker 2: But before that, Tony, I'm just thinking, today, let's let's

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Speaker 2: catch up a little bit. Let's talk through some of

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Speaker 2: the stuff that's going on in our own lives as

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Speaker 2: far as dear projects we've done this spring and summer,

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Speaker 2: Maybe talk through some of our plans and a little

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Speaker 2: if you're willing to do that. Are you game for

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Speaker 3: I'm game for it all, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So are you are you in full blown fishing

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Speaker 3: Right now? I am mostly in fishing mode, but I've

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Speaker 2: Is it just because there's so much snow, there's moisture everywhere?

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Speaker 3: the same thing happens with the ticks. Right, you get

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, well, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Uh and it can't it can't be a basic like

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Speaker 2: what the smallers are doing right now, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. I mean I think I think there's like

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Speaker 3: Like what's feeding in there? Like how can you play

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Speaker 3: just I love doing that. In last year, I went

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00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 3: out to South Dakota to film a show with the

433
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 3: Element Boys, and I felt out of practice. I was like,

434
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: this is something I've done dozens of times, but not

435
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 3: as much in the last couple of years, and just

436
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 3: getting out there, I was like, man, I forgot, you know,

437
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: or at least it was a little bit old. It

438
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 3: felt like I like having to make all those decisions

439
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 3: and figure something out on the fly, and I loved it.

440
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, man, I'm kind of reminded of

441
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 3: what really gets me going. But at the same time,

442
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 3: I felt out of practice, Like, man, I need to

443
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 3: do this more because I'm not as good at it

444
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: as I was a couple of years ago.

445
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 2: So what does that mean? Now? What are you going

446
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: to do? Because of that?

447
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go hunt a lot more early season white

448
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 3: tails on public land.

449
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 2: Where are you going this year for that? You know?

450
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 3: It's provided. I'm kind of in limbo right now because

451
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 3: I'm waiting to see if I draw Iowa. I don't

452
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 3: know if I will, but that's that will color my

453
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: fall quite a bit. But I after hunting turkeys down

454
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: in Nebraska, I'm like, I gotta go back down there,

455
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: provided I can get a tag when they go on sale.

456
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: I really want to do that, And if I can't,

457
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: I'm probably going to go do something in North Dakota

458
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 3: right around the opener, and then I'm hunting Minnesota. This

459
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: is going to be private, but I'm hunting a new

460
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: place in the mid September and just kind of getting

461
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: back to chasing those deer, you know, six weeks before

462
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: the rut, eight weeks before the rut, and I cannot wait.

463
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is fun stuff. I love that time here too,

464
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 2: so so fun. So what else are you working on

465
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 2: right now in preparation for that or anything else you

466
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: mentioned You've been doing some Wisconsin stuff. Is that scouting

467
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 2: or prepping on those properties that you own or what

468
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: are you doing on that front?

469
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: A little of both, you know. I'm working on the

470
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 3: properties I own for my daughters, you know, and plus

471
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: I drew a bear tag over there and sort of

472
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 3: one of my daughters. I'm kind of getting some stuff

473
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: ready for that. But I'm also looking at some of

474
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: that public land I like to hunt over there, and

475
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: kind of taking stock of the deer population and just

476
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: just starting to like poke around a little bit and

477
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: see what I'm going to be dealing with this fall,

478
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: and other than the bugs, it feels really good to

479
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: get out there.

480
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm excited to hear about your Wisconsin scouting

481
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: since I'm going to piggyback off you a little bit

482
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: this year, I think, as you.

483
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 3: Know, are you are you ready to shoot a four key?

484
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure. I've broke that seal a couple of

485
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 2: years ago down in Alabama, So I'm on that train

486
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: in the right situation. Yeah, man, I mean, I'm very

487
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: excited for Speaking of early season trips, my big early

488
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: season trip this year is going to be this kind

489
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: of Upper Great Lakes road trip. And the idea I

490
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: had was kind of breaking away a little bit from

491
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: the standard deer trip that we take a lot time,

492
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people do is. And

493
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if you feel this way, Tony, but

494
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: I think you probably have had moments where you feel

495
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: like this sometimes. It seems like sometimes we go on

496
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: these trips and it feels like a military operation in

497
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: that like we have this goal, we have this period

498
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: of time, and we have to go into this new

499
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: zone and break it down and attack it with a

500
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: mission focus. And you know, nothing is more important than

501
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: achieving the goal. So you've got to go, go, go,

502
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: and you just got to kill the deer, and you're

503
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: after a big deer or whatever, and it feels very

504
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe you're better at this than I am,

505
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: but I have a hard time separating the experience from

506
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: that goal when I do it that way, Like I'm

507
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: just so focused. I'm trying to get away from that

508
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 2: at least some of the time and do more like

509
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: things just for the experience. And I did some of

510
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: this last year, like I made some of my decisions

511
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: about where I was going, you know, based on like

512
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: I just like the place, I just like being out there.

513
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: And I'm taking that one step further this year by

514
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: doing this Upper Great Lakes thing where I'm gonna do

515
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: a trip that's not just about killing a big deer.

516
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: So what I want to do, And thank you for

517
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: helping me kind of think through some of this the

518
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: other day and pitch some ideas to me about what

519
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: places I might be able to do it. I'm gonna

520
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: do like a road trip up through and I think

521
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: I might even go up through the up of Michigan

522
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: and hit the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, northern Wisconsin, and

523
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: northern Minnesota and kind of showcase and experience for myself,

524
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: like everything that the the wildest parts of my home region,

525
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: the Great Lakes region has to offer. So I want

526
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: to do some grouse hunting. I want to do some

527
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: brook trout fishing. I want to do some fishing for

528
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: small e's and pike, and then I want to hunt deer.

529
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: And I'm going to camp and I'm in a canoe

530
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna hear some loons, see some moves maybe,

531
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: and you know, just feel that whole vibe, you know

532
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: what I mean.

533
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm I feel like you're I'm so proud of you.

534
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 3: I feel like you're growing up.

535
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: It's taken a while, dude, it's tough.

536
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: Man. You go through phases in this where the antlers

537
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: are so important and there's you put a lot of

538
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: pressure on yourself to kill big ones, and after a

539
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: while you kind of get to the point where you're like,

540
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: that's not actually why I want to be out there,

541
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: Like that's a that's a motivator to some extent in

542
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 3: some situations. But when you start to see those places

543
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: like the big woods, like, I don't know what it is,

544
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: you know what you're talking about there? That is not

545
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: hardly anyone's dream deer trip because it's just not a

546
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: good strategy to kill big deer easily like you're but

547
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: it's the same thing. This is one of the things

548
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: that drives me so nuts about this resident non resident

549
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: fighting right now and how difficult it's getting to get

550
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: elk tags if you don't live out west. It's like, yeah,

551
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: everybody wants to shoot an elk. It's they're delicious. It's

552
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: pretty freaking cool to walk up on a bull you

553
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: killed or a cow or whatever. But the main thing

554
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: about elk hunting is getting up into the mountains and

555
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: camping and being there, you know. And I know you

556
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: could go do that and bird watch or trout fish

557
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: or whatever, but for most people that's not you know,

558
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: enough of a carrot to drive, you know, a thousand

559
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: miles or two thousand miles and do it. Like there

560
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: has to be something real, tangible at steak and but

561
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: it's like tied to so much more than just killing

562
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: an elk. And that's the way the Big Woods is,

563
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: like that trip you're talking about. I hope you go

564
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: kill three four keys in a row and catch a

565
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: bunch of trout and just enjoy it, because that setting

566
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: is so bad ass. Even if you know, the northern

567
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: third of any of those states you mentioned really aren't

568
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: conducive to going out and having you know, super productive

569
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: deer hunts. It's just so worth being there.

570
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: They're just wild places and they I do have, you know,

571
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: great opportunities, but they're different opportunities, you know. So yeah,

572
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: So I think I'm gonna start up near the Boundary Waters.

573
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna start farthest away and work

574
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: my way back, I think. So I'm gonna head up

575
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: to the Boundary Waters Canoe Camp, do some fishing right

576
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: around there, experience that place again, Like it's such an

577
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: amazing spot that I got to experience one time. I

578
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: want to I want more of that. So I'm gonna

579
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: start there and then do a little grouse hunting outside

580
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: of that zone, and then work my way southeast into Wisconsin,

581
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: do a little deer hunting in some of these areas

582
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: that you've been kind enough to kind of point me towards,

583
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: and maybe hit some brook trout, little streams and stuff.

584
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: And I think that like late September time period up there,

585
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: it's gonna be comfortable but starting to cool down a

586
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: little bit, like the early little whispers of fall coming in.

587
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: I just think it's gonna be great. Just gonna be

588
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: really really cool.

589
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: It is. You're gonna have a blast.

590
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish you could. I wish you could join. Man,

591
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: I know you've got another thing going on, but it

592
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: would have been a good opportunity for us to celebrate

593
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: our home turf a little bit.

594
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: You know, I might when you make it to Wisconsin,

595
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: I might be able to make it over there for

596
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: a couple of days. And I don't know if I could.

597
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: I can help you get out of deer, but I

598
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: bet I can help you catch some brook choler maybe

599
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: shoot it grows.

600
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: Hey, that's a that's going to be all part of it.

601
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: And and what's also nice about this trip is it's

602
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: going to be it's just like when I turn to

603
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: dough hunting mode back home, Like it's a totally different

604
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: kind of feeling and experience when you're going out just

605
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: to hunt for does. It's it's freeing in some kind

606
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: of way. I don't know if you feel this way,

607
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: but I've I've really come to love like antler list

608
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: specific hunts. It just feels like, man, it's a more

609
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: target rich environment. It's it's a different level of excitement.

610
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but it is and I feel

611
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: like the same thing applies when you go on a

612
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: hunt and you lower your typical expectations or goals or something.

613
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: So you know, on this I'm going to go in

614
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: with like any deer is a shooter deer, and that

615
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: I think will be really exciting and still really rewarding.

616
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: Like if I can kill a deer up there in

617
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: northern Wisconsin, I'm gonna be really proud and really happy.

618
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: If I kill a foky or a dough, I'll be stoked.

619
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: So going in that with those expectations I think will

620
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: make the trip more fun than if I went out

621
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: there I was like, Man, I'm gonna kill a mature

622
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: buck and I'm gonna show everyone I'm a badass, big

623
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: woods Hunterman. I don't care about that. I want to

624
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: have a good time.

625
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: Man. That's a message that I can I can fully

626
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: get behind. I mean, I think that's one of the

627
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: things you realize if you're if you're forcunate to get

628
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: to travel enough, you know, you do the highway thing

629
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: or the Kansas thing or whatever premier state, and yeah,

630
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: it can be a hell of a lot of fun.

631
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: But trophy hunting in general, for a lot of people

632
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: is not that much fun and you but but we

633
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: kind of default to it. And then when you go

634
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: somewhere like you're talking, you go to the Big Woods,

635
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: and you're like, I'm gonna be around oh deer densities.

636
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: I don't you know, you don't have twenty seven years

637
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: of history there. I mean, it's like on the fly,

638
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: just whatever comes down the trail type of hunting. When

639
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: you put yourself in that situation, you do realize how

640
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: enjoyable it is. Like my favorite hunts are ones where

641
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: I'm around lots of deer and I have lots of tags,

642
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: Like I don't I don't care if I'm not within

643
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: five miles of a one point thirty one forty plus

644
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: if I'm in that situation, because I know it's going

645
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: to be fun, kind of like going turkey hunting. It's

646
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: like it's just going to be fun.

647
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm learning that. I like I'm finding what the

648
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: sweet spot is for me, and like having a mix

649
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: of like a little bit of all these different things

650
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: has is seeming like the sweet spot for me. Like

651
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: I I've found I need to have some of this

652
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: public land adventure like and I need to be trying

653
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: new places. I need to be figuring out new spots.

654
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: I need to have some of this just experience stuff,

655
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: Like I'm going somewhere not because it's a big deer spot,

656
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: but because it's this kind of trip like I just described.

657
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: But I also know that I do like to still

658
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: travel to some places where I'm just gonna see deer

659
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: doing deer things and see mature bucks doing mature box

660
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: things that I just don't get to see often back home,

661
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: Like I love going to that complace. So I still

662
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: want to have like an Iowa or Kansas or Illinois

663
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: or something on the trip, you know, planned every year

664
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: if I can, because that's a cool experience. But I

665
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 2: don't need that the whole time. And then I also

666
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: still also need or I enjoy getting to have the

667
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: local thing too, or like I have spots I've hunted

668
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: forever and I know the area and I know the

669
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: deer and I've had like history that I really enjoyed

670
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: that thing too, But I wouldn't want to have just

671
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: one of those. Like I like having the diversity of experience,

672
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: and I recognize that we're like very privileged that we

673
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: have the time to do that. Not everyone can do that.

674
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: But for whatever it's worth, I found like, and this

675
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: has been a theme you and I've talked about the

676
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: last couple of years, like having a diversity in your

677
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: set of experiences makes you better and it ends up

678
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: being a lot more fun.

679
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: Yep. Well, and what we don't talk about there is,

680
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: you know we so much of deer hunting and deer

681
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 3: hunting advice is structured around making it easier, like it's

682
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: all a promise of easier, but easy doesn't necessarily make

683
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: it more fun. Like sometimes you know, every once in

684
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: a while, a gift buck is awesome, right, Like sometimes

685
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: you need that slumpbuster and he comes down the trail

686
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: and it's awesome. Yeah, But overall, you find that you

687
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: get more out of it sometimes when you put yourself

688
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: in those new situations and you have to figure it

689
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: out and work towards something instead of going someplace where

690
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: you don't have to think about it at all, Like, well,

691
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: I go here and sit here. I sit here because

692
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: it's October, and you know that's kind of like antithetic

693
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: to lots of deer hunting advice, But once you do it,

694
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: you realize, like, man, it is pretty dang fun to

695
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: have to figure out something even if it's just you know,

696
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: leaving your home fune arm and going to still hunt

697
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: the public land down the road like with low expectations.

698
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: Like it's it's a different thing, and that variety is

699
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: pretty beneficial to us mentally.

700
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like there needs to be like a whole

701
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: different set of ideas for you know, if the old

702
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: way has always been like how to make deer hunting easier,

703
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: like how to make it easier to kill deer, there

704
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: could almost be a whole new set of ideas for

705
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: how to make deer hunting like more satisfying or more

706
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: fulfilling or something like. There's a whole other set of

707
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: ideas for that side of the equation. I think that

708
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: are worth talking about all for sure. So kind of

709
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: on the line of thinking and speaking of Northern Great Lakes,

710
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't think I've talked to you about this. I

711
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: briefly previewed this for Dan, but I'm also working on

712
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: another thing for this coming season that's going to be

713
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: very fulfilling but also not likely to lead to any

714
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: kind of big deer thing. But we have been like

715
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: doubling down on our family deer camp up in northern

716
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: Michigan and have completed and not completed, but have started

717
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: like the biggest habitat thing we've ever done up there.

718
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: So I'm very very excited to see what comes of

719
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: all that. It's you know, it's a forty acre piece.

720
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: Half of its swamp that's basically like you can't do

721
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: anything with it, so it is what it is, a big, thick,

722
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: nasty swamp, which is great. And then a quarter of

723
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: it is like where our cabin is, and where like

724
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: the just kind of what used to be an old

725
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: field it's now overgrown, there's an old pine stand, there's

726
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: just just like kind of the living area. But then

727
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: there's this other quarter. So it's like about a ten

728
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: acre section to the south. I guess this would be

729
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: the south well, yeah, the southeast corner of the property.

730
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: And that has been like a zone that has screamed

731
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: out to me for years as having like potential, Like

732
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: it's far enough away from the cabin that it's huntable

733
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: and you can do stuff there without people blowing it

734
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: up while out at the cabin. It's also like accessible

735
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: to do some kind of habitat work on. It's not

736
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: so wet that you couldn't make improvements. But it's also

737
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: like a little bit of a deer desert has been

738
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: a deer desert because what used to be there has

739
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: all matured. So there was a big open field that

740
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: used to be like the one of the main edge

741
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: opportunities for edge habitat, and there used to be a

742
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: lot deer that moved through here out of the swamp,

743
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: coming to this field and feeding, transitioning out to other properties.

744
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: And then there was about a seven acre ish pine

745
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: stand I guess that has now matured into now like

746
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: a it's like a black hole. You go into it

747
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: and it's just there's zero I mean literally zero understory.

748
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: It's just pine needles on the ground and big dark

749
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: pine trees and hemlocks overhead, and nothing uses it. I

750
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: mean every once in a while deer will travel through it,

751
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: but there's no bedding, there's no feeding, there's no grouse,

752
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: there's no turkeys, there's nothing in there. And so for

753
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: years I was like, man, we got to do something

754
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: with this and try to make this area better. And

755
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: then that field that I mentioned that completely overgrew, so

756
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: it's just like more of a thicket. It's more of

757
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: the same. We have nothing, but the same on the property.

758
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: So I don't know, six seven years ago we carved

759
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: in like a tiny little food plot into that old field,

760
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: like an eighth ache or maybe. And you know, I've

761
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: told you a few times over the years about some

762
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: updates on that, and that's actually helped some. We had

763
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: deer start, you know, dope family group probably hanging around

764
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: that more often, and bucks cruising and checking it and stuff.

765
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: But this year we brought in, we brought in some help.

766
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: Guy knowamed Kyle Perry, came in with some bigger equipment

767
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: that I don't have to help me actually cut down

768
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: and push out and significantly expand that food plot from

769
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: what was like an eighth and acre to about an acre.

770
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: So that's like a pretty darn big substantial in the

771
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: timber big Woods food plot now and then carved in

772
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: like five I think it's five like wildlife openings within

773
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: that stand to pines. So what was a seven acre

774
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: stand of of monoculture pines zero understory, Now we've got

775
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: five different openings pocketed throughout there where there's now all

776
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: the sun coming down, there's tree tops scattered all over

777
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: the place. So we have all this new structure, all

778
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: this new deer level cover and hopefully by now a

779
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: lot of new green growth now popping in where that

780
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: sunlight is. So it's it went from like a ten

781
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: acre dead zone to I think now it's going to

782
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: be a ten acre hotspot that I'm really excited to

783
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: see how that comes along throughout the year.

784
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 3: Can I ask you something about that pine desert? There?

785
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 3: Were you hesitant to do that just because it looks good?

786
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: Because dude, that that pine desert situation happens in a

787
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: lot of places, and people love seeing that big stand

788
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 3: of pines, but it is totally worthless once it's like

789
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: a certain level of growth, totally worthless for deer, like

790
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: you said, but it looks good, Like did you look

791
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: at it and go, man, I don't know if we

792
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: should be knocking those trees.

793
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: Down man a little bit. There were definitely moments and

794
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: I think my grandfather had that feeling, you know, back

795
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: in the day. I think that was where he was

796
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: at with it, and so this was something that happened,

797
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, after his time. But I think you're right.

798
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: It is easy to be wooed by like the park. Look,

799
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: you know, just that pretty open, but if you can

800
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: see all the way across a three hundred yard area

801
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: in the woods. It's not great for wildlife. They don't

802
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 2: like that, and so so yeah, that was a little

803
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 2: bit of a thing. And there's still there's some impressive, big,

804
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: mature trees in there that I didn't want to touch.

805
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: So like we didn't take any of like the big

806
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: kind of like legacy trees. There's a few in there, like, man,

807
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: this tree has been here a long, long long time

808
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: and kept those around, I guess for sentimental reasons. But

809
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff, there's kind of like scrubby,

810
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: crappy pines and stuff in there in hemlock that you know,

811
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: weren't doing anything for wildlife. And I think we're able to,

812
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: you know, maintain a lot of the value that those

813
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: mature pines did provide for thermal cover while also adding

814
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: this new early successional habitat alongside of it. So I'm

815
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: hoping it will be you know, good betting now small

816
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: opportunities for feeding a spot they're going to travel through

817
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: more often and then transition towards this great big food

818
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: plot I have now deep in the timber that's going

819
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: to be a you know, a bang up food source.

820
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: That's very unique, right, There's no egg in the area,

821
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: so they're not used to having, you know, a nice,

822
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: big opportunity for good, high quality food. And that'll be

823
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: a hub. And I'm kind of setting it up to

824
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: be like a spot for my dad and my sons

825
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: to have good hunting opportunities. So I want to be

826
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: able to go up to our family deer camp and

827
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: have the whole family thing, like do the thing that

828
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: I love so much be at this place that built me,

829
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: this place where I learned to hunt fish. I want

830
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: to be able to spend time there in this place

831
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: I love, and also still have an opportunity that my

832
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: dad can kill a deer, my kids can see deer

833
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: when they're up there, because for the past, you know,

834
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: twenty years, I've been going up there because I love

835
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: the place, but not expecting to shoot anything. I'd love

836
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: it if we could have the expectation of hunting success

837
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: and the fun of being there too, you know.

838
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't it weird how when you get a hold

839
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: of something like that, it's so easy to not care

840
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: at all about hunting it yourself, but so fun to

841
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: build it up.

842
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, the progress, the project, the work and then you know,

843
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: the coolest thing will be. You know, we're going to

844
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: put in some ground blinds around this food plotting around

845
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: some of these like transition areas and stuff. And the

846
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 2: first time I get to sit there with my dad,

847
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: or the first time I go in there with Everett

848
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 2: and we actually see deer like the way I did

849
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: twenty five years ago, and my grandpa took me to

850
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: that old field. Like the very first memory I have

851
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: of deer in my entire life, at least that I can,

852
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: you know, still remember, was at this spot when I

853
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: was probably four years old, give or take. My grandpa

854
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: took me to the edge of this field and we

855
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: sat in his old blind that he hunted forever. And

856
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: at this point the field was pretty wide open, and

857
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: deer would come out there and feed and stuff. And

858
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 2: it was in the summer, and he brought a I mean,

859
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 2: this would have been like nineteen ninety or something like that,

860
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: so he had like an old handicam whatever those things

861
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: looked like back then. And so there's video of this

862
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: of him and me sitting there in the summer. It

863
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: would have been like July or August, and sitting in

864
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: the blind just watching deer and had there was a group,

865
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: a family group of I don't know, six seven, eight

866
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: domes came out and fed out in front of the

867
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: blind about within ten yards, I mean so close it

868
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: felt like I could reach out and touch them. I

869
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: just remember being floored by that experience, like seeing these

870
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 2: big animals up close. They had no idea we were there,

871
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: and and that like just was magical. And so to

872
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: be able to go back to this same EXAs place

873
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: that in the subsequent you know, thirty years has become

874
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: a place where you know, you'll never see any deer

875
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: to now, if I could go out there and sit

876
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: with my son when he's five years old in that

877
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: same place, right near where my grandpa's old blind was,

878
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: and to have him see six or seven deer come

879
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: out and have him have a magical experience there too,

880
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: Like what an incredible full circle moment that'll be. I'm

881
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: really really hoping that all comes together.

882
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 3: Oh it'll come together and it'll be really sweet.

883
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, those are a couple of things that

884
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this year, probably more than anything.

885
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: Those are probably top two most exciting things for the

886
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three season.

887
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: On my side, I mean what you're talking about there.

888
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: That's one of the and I know people will listen

889
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: to this and say, I don't have my own land

890
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: or whatever to work on, but just figuring out ways

891
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 3: to do stuff all year round that are related to

892
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: white tails. That's that's one of the reasons white tail

893
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 3: hunting is so special. I think, you know, I mean

894
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 3: when you go west, like there's there's so much time

895
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: where you know, the hunters out west are not really

896
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: thinking about you know, like it's such an in the

897
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: moment type of hunting. A lot of it is, at

898
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: least elk and mule deer, but white tails, like there's

899
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: so much you can do all year round and that, like,

900
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just think that makes it different.

901
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: It's so fun.

902
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do love that. I want to take a

903
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: hard pivot hero quick though, unless you unless you've got

904
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: anything else you want to follow up on that. I

905
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: wanted to spin and grill you on one thing before we.

906
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: Wrap up this episode, go nuts man, all right.

907
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: So this kind of relates to a lot of what

908
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: we talked about because I think almost the theme of

909
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: where we've been going with this is kind of this

910
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 2: evolution as hunters and learning to appreciate different things, learning

911
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: to make better decisions, learning to value different parts of

912
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 2: the hunt. Right last week with Dan, we were talking

913
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: about this last ten years and the ten years of

914
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: the wire Hunt podcast and what we did for that one.

915
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: Prior to is we listened to the very first podcast

916
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: that Dan and I ever recorded together, and we went

917
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: back and listened to that one, and we heard us

918
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, the things we on that first episode.

919
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: We talked about the worst thing that happened in our

920
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty thirteen hunting season I think it was, and

921
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: the best thing that happened during our twenty twenty or

922
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen hunting season. And listening to that, I was

923
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: having all these like, oh man, had come so far

924
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: since that. Oh Man, I'm so much better at this

925
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: than that. But then I also had a bunch of

926
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: moments I was like, oh, geez, I'm still struggling with

927
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: the exact same thing I was dealing with back then, Like,

928
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: I don't know how much progress I've made on that

929
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: one in ten years. So so that exercise was kind

930
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: of eye opening for me. I want to put you

931
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: through that exercise. I'm curious if you look back on

932
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: this last decade, Tony, if you could kind of rewind

933
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: and play the movie of your last ten years as

934
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: a deer hunter, what would you say has been your

935
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: greatest area of growth? Like, like, what has been the

936
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: greatest positive change or type of progress you've made in

937
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: this last decade? Does anything stand out to you when

938
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: you think about that?

939
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Uh. I think it's just my patience level as

940
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: a hunter. Like I, you know, if you were to

941
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: go back ten years ago to twenty thirteen, I mean

942
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: I was like obsessed with killing good bucks on public

943
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: land like I was. That was like in you know,

944
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: at a time in my life where I was on

945
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: the road so much and e scouting so much and

946
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: just like you know, really trying to figure out a

947
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: bunch of states in any given year, and I wasn't

948
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: I was a hard worker, but I wasn't patient, if

949
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: that makes sense. And now I just feel like I

950
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: trust the process more and I'm like, if I find

951
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: a spot that I think is going to work great,

952
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: or if I find an area like we'll take for example,

953
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: where I hunted in western Minnesota last year, I hunted

954
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: public land for a couple days for one week in

955
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 3: November I got my ass kicked. It didn't really bother

956
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: me at all because I know it's probably going to

957
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: take me years to figure out that area.

958
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: Well, we should ask your cameraman about this because he

959
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: might have a different opinion if that bothered you or not.

960
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: But I mean sure, I'm not going to say it

961
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: was all. You know, it was all a wonderful experience,

962
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: but it doesn't that would have eaten me alive. Yeah.

963
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 3: Ten years ago, you know, like that would have really

964
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: bothered me. And now I just know this stuff doesn't

965
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: happen quickly. You know, like if you trust the process,

966
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: then you're going to put in enough of the work

967
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: and enough of the effort and be patient it'll come,

968
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: like you'll you'll get there. And it's a hard like,

969
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: So I would I guess I would say like in

970
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: addition to that kind of like or complimentary to that,

971
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: would just be like embracing the long game more. Stop

972
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: stop being so shortsighted and thinking like everything has to

973
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 3: happen for me now, and just understanding that if I

974
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: if my inputs are right, eventually I'm going to get

975
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 3: that reward that I want. And that's a that's like

976
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: a hard place to get to Man, it's it's really

977
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: easy to get super frustrated in the moment and wonder

978
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 3: why you're doing it wrong or why you know, you

979
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: have a bad week or a bad three weeks of

980
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 3: the season or a bad season. But man, it's just

981
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: if you're putting in the effort, it's going to break

982
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 3: the right way for you eventually, and if you if

983
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 3: you know that, it's just like mentally so much easier

984
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: to handle this whole thing.

985
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of that must come with experience.

986
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: Right Like early on in our deer hunting journey, there's

987
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: there's so many questions like is this not going right

988
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: because I'm an idiot? Is this not going right because

989
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing? Am I doing the

990
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: wrong thing? Am I totally off base? Am I totally lost?

991
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: But at some point I think we develop a level

992
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: of confidence in our skill set or our process and

993
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: you know where you're at and where I feel like

994
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: I'm at now, Like I now can find myself a

995
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: situation like that where things aren't going right, and you'll

996
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 2: have that that initial like, ah shit, what's going on?

997
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: Why isn't this happening? But but I can I can

998
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: ground myself back in the all right, man, trust the process,

999
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: your your your logic here is good, your plan is good.

1000
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: You know why this should work. You're here for the

1001
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: right reason, or you're you've you've got the right process

1002
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: in place. Trust trust this thing, you know, trust the process,

1003
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: ride it out, you know, adjust as needed. But but

1004
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: trust your experience and know that, like you said, this

1005
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: is a long game. Sometimes that's in the matter of

1006
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: a week, or sometimes that's in the matter of a season.

1007
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: But you do need to eventually learn to trust like

1008
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: the foundations of your plan well.

1009
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: And I would say it goes way beyond even that timeframe.

1010
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: I mean when you when you look at what it

1011
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: takes most people you know who don't have just an

1012
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: unbelievable spot or really good mentors, you know, it might

1013
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: be ten years before they kill their first pope and

1014
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: young buck, like, I don't think that would be uncommon

1015
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: at all, And so you just have to embrace that

1016
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: reality is like, this is not This is not an

1017
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: easy thing that we do. We try to make it

1018
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: look easy, and we try to sell around, you know,

1019
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: the idea that we can make it easier for people,

1020
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: and maybe you can a little bit. But for most

1021
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 3: people it is like a long game. It's way longer

1022
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: than the three months a season that's going to happen

1023
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: this year or happened last year or whatever it's. It

1024
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: takes time, but once you get comfortable with that, the

1025
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 3: wins they come, you know, and it's not just I

1026
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: think maybe another thing that worth touching on is it's

1027
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: not just the tags that you fill, you know, like

1028
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: I like, you had a badass year last year. That's

1029
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 3: a good year. But there's also years where you don't

1030
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: have that, where you have some pretty sweet encounters in

1031
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: places that you're unfamiliar with. Those are big wins too.

1032
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: You know, they don't look as good on social media,

1033
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: but in reality, like for your personal journey, they're pretty sweet.

1034
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: They're like pretty good wins, even though they don't you know,

1035
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: we don't kind of measure them the same way, but

1036
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 3: I think personally we kind of should.

1037
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so much, so much of my progress and just

1038
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: like learning to you know, like last year, talking through

1039
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: trying to you know, better enjoy the whole thing. It's

1040
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: just just getting away from valuing that dead deer on

1041
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: the ground is the only thing you're chasing. Instead placing

1042
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: value on the encounters, placing value on those learning moments,

1043
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 2: placing value on that you know, breakfast with your buddies

1044
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: after the haunt. Like all that stuff makes for a

1045
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: great season two if you can remove yourself from the

1046
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: tunnel vision of like gotta have a big buck, gotta

1047
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: have a big buck, gotta have a big buck, you know.

1048
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man, and it even I mean I would

1049
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: take that a step further too, and say, once you

1050
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: start to get into that kind of mode where you

1051
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: tamp down those thoughts of having to kill a big

1052
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 3: one and the pressure that goes with it, and just

1053
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: just accepting the process and like I'm gonna try this

1054
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: today because I think they're gonna be here, and I'm

1055
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: gonna try this tomorrow, or I have my vacation days

1056
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 3: lined out, and just really allowing yourself to go from

1057
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 3: the non deer hunting bs in life which is heavy,

1058
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: to checking out mostly and being in that space. Like

1059
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 3: I know that probably sounds like sounds dumb, but man,

1060
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 3: we I don't know if you feel this or not,

1061
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: but let's say if I go on like a five

1062
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: day hunt somewhere, I feel like the first day is

1063
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: me like unplugging from the matrix and like finding this

1064
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 3: other world. And then when you get if you can

1065
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: really kind of immerse yourself in that, it's freaking awesome.

1066
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 3: If you wake up and you're like, all I have

1067
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: to do today is think about deer, Like all I

1068
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: have to do today is think about what stand I'm

1069
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: gonna be in, or if I'm going to you know,

1070
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: do a little scouting at midday and move or like,

1071
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 3: when you start reducing it down to that, it becomes

1072
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 3: a lot more enjoyable. And I know it probably sounds crazy,

1073
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: but like when you go when I do hunts like

1074
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: that and I come home, it takes me like a

1075
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 3: day to acclimate to being back into like dad life again,

1076
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: you know. And you really see that if you go

1077
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 3: out west and you do like that ten twelve day

1078
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: l hunt, where you know your your life is like

1079
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 3: shrunk down to this you know, task in this really

1080
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: cool setting and getting back into the real world and

1081
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: dealing with traffic and taking the kids to all their

1082
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: sports and all that stuff. It's like a you feel

1083
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: this palpable difference in like you're you're like being You're like, man,

1084
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 3: I was that thing. Now I'm back to this thing

1085
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 3: and getting into that mindset and that that way of

1086
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: being is real important and it's hard.

1087
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: So true, so true. So speaking of challenges, then if

1088
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: you were to look back on the last ten years

1089
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: and think back on the biggest thing that you are

1090
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: still struggling with. So if you we just talked about

1091
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: the area of your greatest growth, what would you say

1092
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: is the thing that, man, over the last ten years,

1093
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: you still haven't figured out, or you still have struggles

1094
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: you are still working on, You still have that thing

1095
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: that you have not quite conquered. Can you think of

1096
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: anything there?

1097
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 3: Oh? Man?

1098
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1099
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: Uh?

1100
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 3: Being happy with myself? I mean you, you and I.

1101
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: You don't know this, but you helped me a lot.

1102
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 3: I think it was probably last year where we weren't

1103
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: I don't remember. We were talking about planning or some

1104
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: of the content we were going to make or something,

1105
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 3: and I was stressing out about not doing enough public

1106
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: land hunts and felt like I needed to be out

1107
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: there just grinding away on public land. And you said

1108
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: to me, You're like, you don't, you don't have anything

1109
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 3: left to prove, Dude, like do what you want. And

1110
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: I think about this all the time, where and I'm sure,

1111
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: a lot of people listening to this do this where

1112
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 3: you know you're your your own worst critic, right, Like

1113
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: we're nobody's harder on us than ourselves, right. And it's

1114
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: so it's so easy for me when I if I

1115
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: were to think back to the last ten years in

1116
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 3: my head, it's not a highlight reel. I'm not like, oh,

1117
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: I killed that big buck here and I killed that

1118
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: one there. I'm always like, oh, I screwed up on

1119
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: this one and I blank there, And it's just a

1120
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: default to the negative. And it's that's a hard thing

1121
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: to deal with, and I think we all do that,

1122
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: Like I think I think generally we're all dealing with

1123
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: more stress and anxiety and issues than we than we

1124
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: outwardly project a lot of times, and that that bleeds

1125
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 3: into everything. And so for me, you know, one of

1126
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,479
Speaker 3: the things that I try to look at and work

1127
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: on is like, just just do this in a way

1128
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: that makes you feel good. Forget, forget everything else. Just

1129
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 3: like try to go find the joy in this every

1130
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 3: time you can, whether it's you know, me hunting somewhere

1131
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: for myself or hunting for a project or taken my kids.

1132
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: Just like try to get into a good place with

1133
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: it always because I know I'm going to default to

1134
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 3: think and I'm the worst deer hunter ever and I've

1135
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 3: missed so many deer and at any given point, I

1136
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: feel like I have no idea what I'm doing, and

1137
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: I will like focus on that and it's so dumb.

1138
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: It's so hard to get over.

1139
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that is like the that's the trick, like

1140
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: to get past. That is the thing that changes it all,

1141
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, I mean, you know, we've talked

1142
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: about this a lot the last couple of years. I've

1143
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: dealt with the same thing. And when you have those

1144
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: moments where you transcend that inner voice, of that inner critic,

1145
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: when you transcend that and you can just focus on

1146
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: the good and the experience and the fun and all

1147
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: that man like, then you're like, geez, this is yeah,

1148
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: this makes sense. This is why I love this thing

1149
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: so much. This is why I'm amped to wake up

1150
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,959
Speaker 2: at four am to go do the thing. Like. That's

1151
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: why we want to do this stuff all year round

1152
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: is because of all this good stuff. And it's so

1153
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: silly to ever let ourselves, you know, make it miserable

1154
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: because of some inner expectation or worry about outside critics

1155
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: or anything, even though it's human nature to do it.

1156
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, like that just not ever losing the joy

1157
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: of it like that. If ten years ago when I

1158
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: started this podcast, my goal with the podcast was like

1159
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: to make us better deer hunters, my goal now is

1160
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: like to reclaim the joy of it all, because I

1161
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: think that that's the shit that matters.

1162
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I think it's like being willing to put

1163
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 3: in the commensurate at work, like the work necessary without

1164
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 3: like inner de sing the pressure that can go along

1165
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: with it. Like I think it's like understanding the effort.

1166
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll give you an example. You know, I

1167
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 3: love defesstant hunt. I'm big into the dogs. Like my

1168
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things in the world to do

1169
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: is just follow my labs around on public land somewhere

1170
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 3: and try to shoot some roosters. Like I love it.

1171
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: And I know if I relax, especially if I'm hunting

1172
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: by myself and I'm not worried about somebody else and

1173
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 3: their dogs. If I'm just by myself, I know, if

1174
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: I relax and I go, dogs show me where they

1175
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: are and I don't push it too fast, and I

1176
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 3: don't care if I get my two bird limit or

1177
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 3: three bird limit or whatever. If I'm just like I'm

1178
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 3: gonna just I'm gonna follow along behind them and let

1179
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: me show or let them show me where the birds are.

1180
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: It's those roosters are in trouble, man. Like there's almost

1181
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 3: always a limit out there that's gonna get up close enough.

1182
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 3: But if you get out there and you're like, oh,

1183
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 3: you know, I gotta get my limit today, Like we

1184
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: got to just cover as much ground as possible. You

1185
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 3: walk past, you rush your shots, You make dumb decisions

1186
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 3: because of that pressure. And if you can just learn

1187
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: to go I got to let some of that shit

1188
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: go and just enjoy it and slow down and be

1189
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 3: a little more patient. Man, good things happen. It's just

1190
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: it's just hard to learn and hard to force yourself

1191
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 3: to do.

1192
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: And it's not a thing, at least from my experience,

1193
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: it's not a thing that you like check the box

1194
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: on and it's done. It's it's not a thing like

1195
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 2: today I'm like, Okay, I figured it out now I know,

1196
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: and it's always gonna be great. I think this is

1197
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: like a every single time you go out you will

1198
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: have to like kind of work through this thing right

1199
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: or often. Absolutely, it's a lifelong process of learning to

1200
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: get a little bit better at this.

1201
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean I say this a lot, but like

1202
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: happiness is a moving target, like a lot of this

1203
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: stuff is a moving target. Like it's when you hit

1204
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 3: it today, it doesn't mean you're gonna like it doesn't

1205
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 3: mean you're good for tomorrow, you know. Like, But but

1206
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 3: it's a it's a mindset thing, and it's it's how

1207
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 3: you look at this stuff and when you just learn

1208
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,479
Speaker 3: to treat it that way and understand like mother nature

1209
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: is going to deliver man, like if you if you

1210
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 3: put in the work to earn it, and you know,

1211
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 3: you keep your head about you, you you're gonna get

1212
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: your chances, like you're gonna have those experiences that make

1213
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: you want to come back for more. But man, it

1214
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: can be easy to spiral, that.

1215
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: Is true, And it's just it's not worth it's not

1216
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: worth it. Like all the silly things we put on

1217
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 2: ourselves that stress us out, it's not worth stealing the

1218
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 2: joy out of this just incredible thing we have here

1219
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: to be able to hunt or fish, get out in

1220
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: either your backyard or a beautiful farm or the mountains

1221
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: or the plains, like, God, it's so good. It's uh,

1222
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: we're just so lucky to ever not enjoy it is

1223
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: a shame.

1224
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 3: Oh, big time man, big time. Well.

1225
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: I feel like this is a This is a good

1226
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 2: place to wrap it up, I think. I feel I

1227
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: feel like we hit on something that resonates with me

1228
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: at least and hopefully with others. And it's it's a

1229
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: great kicking off point for the rest of the year,

1230
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: I think, because we're gonna move into you know here

1231
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: pretty soon Midsummer. It's it's time to really gear up

1232
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: and get ready for the for the big opening day

1233
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: and and all that stuff. And I think we're all

1234
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: gonna be, you know, getting pretty hyped up. We're gonna

1235
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: be shooting our bows. We're gonna be getting the cameras

1236
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 2: out there. We're gonna see the target bucks, we're gonna

1237
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: be scouting the new spots, putting up the last minute

1238
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 2: tree stands, whatever. Like it's about to get serious and

1239
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 2: we can't forget this thing we're talking about today. We

1240
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: can't let ourselves get carried away when we get that

1241
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: giant buck on trail camera and get all obsessed and

1242
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: then get crazy as we get into September and October.

1243
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: I think we've got to keep coming back to this

1244
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: set of ideas here today, and if we can do that,

1245
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: I think that's that's a recipe for a great hunting season.

1246
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 3: Totally agree, buddy.

1247
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 2: All Right, man, well thanks for doing this.

1248
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on, all.

1249
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: Right, and that is a wrap. Thank you for joining

1250
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 2: us for another Wired to Hunt podcast. We are, as

1251
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: I just mentioned to Tony, going to be ramping up

1252
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: here pretty soon, so get excited. We're gonna be diving

1253
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 2: into some die hard deer hunting ideas, talking some great

1254
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 2: deer hunters here in the coming weeks and months. But

1255
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: for now, I hope you can reflect a little bit

1256
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: on what Tony and I just talked about and let

1257
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: it soak in, kind of marinate in these ideas of

1258
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: creating these better experiences, of focusing on the process and

1259
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 2: all of the joy that hunting brings. If we can

1260
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: keep that as our north star, I guess as we

1261
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 2: continue through the hunting season, I think, well, we not

1262
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: only have more fun, but you'll probably have more success too.

1263
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: So with that all said, thanks for being he here,

1264
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: thank you for being a part of this community. And

1265
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: until next time, stay wired to hunt,