1 00:00:14,836 --> 00:00:29,516 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hi, I'm Phil Donahue and I'm Marlowe Thomas, and 2 00:00:29,636 --> 00:00:32,596 Speaker 1: we're going on a series of double dates to find 3 00:00:32,596 --> 00:00:40,796 Speaker 1: out what makes a marriage. Last I interviewed Jimmy Carter 4 00:00:40,916 --> 00:00:43,876 Speaker 1: on my show when he was president, but it was 5 00:00:44,076 --> 00:00:47,436 Speaker 1: very different sitting with him. In first, Lady Rosalind coupled 6 00:00:47,476 --> 00:00:52,156 Speaker 1: a couple and talking about something as personal as our marriages. 7 00:00:52,636 --> 00:00:55,036 Speaker 1: We flew down to Atlanta and met them at the 8 00:00:55,076 --> 00:00:59,476 Speaker 1: Carter Center, their legendary humanitarian foundation. This was our first 9 00:00:59,516 --> 00:01:02,356 Speaker 1: interview for this project, and what a way to start 10 00:01:02,676 --> 00:01:07,636 Speaker 1: with American royalty. We were shown into his very formal office. 11 00:01:08,236 --> 00:01:11,556 Speaker 1: I remember the huge flags on either side of the desk, 12 00:01:12,036 --> 00:01:14,836 Speaker 1: one with the stars and stripes and the other with 13 00:01:14,916 --> 00:01:18,956 Speaker 1: the presidential seal. And he just came bounding in, this 14 00:01:19,036 --> 00:01:22,116 Speaker 1: man in his nineties, and he pointed out a beautiful 15 00:01:22,156 --> 00:01:25,676 Speaker 1: wooden chair that he had carved himself. He was impressive. 16 00:01:25,996 --> 00:01:28,516 Speaker 1: I'm sure it must be a challenge for Rosalind to 17 00:01:28,596 --> 00:01:31,836 Speaker 1: keep up with his energy. They've been together for an 18 00:01:31,916 --> 00:01:37,916 Speaker 1: unbelievable seventy five years, so we had to ask them how, 19 00:01:39,516 --> 00:01:44,276 Speaker 1: first of all, love and friendship goes together. And we 20 00:01:44,436 --> 00:01:48,436 Speaker 1: found a long time ago that arguments and disagreements are inevitable, 21 00:01:48,876 --> 00:01:53,636 Speaker 1: you know, among two strong willed people. But we decided 22 00:01:53,836 --> 00:01:57,396 Speaker 1: quite early in our burage to give each other plenty 23 00:01:57,396 --> 00:02:01,556 Speaker 1: of space. In fact, if Rosa's interested in herself, she 24 00:02:01,676 --> 00:02:06,756 Speaker 1: doesn't her own way, and she accepts my help when 25 00:02:06,836 --> 00:02:10,956 Speaker 1: she needs it and advice when I have a special interest. 26 00:02:11,716 --> 00:02:14,116 Speaker 1: She gives me a plenty of a space of time 27 00:02:14,196 --> 00:02:17,116 Speaker 1: to work on my own projects, but she helps me 28 00:02:17,156 --> 00:02:19,636 Speaker 1: when I need it. So space is the first thing, 29 00:02:19,636 --> 00:02:26,076 Speaker 1: and our thing. The other key is we decided quite 30 00:02:26,116 --> 00:02:29,036 Speaker 1: a while ago to make sure we didn't ever go 31 00:02:29,116 --> 00:02:31,556 Speaker 1: to sleep anger with each other. We have a lot 32 00:02:31,556 --> 00:02:35,236 Speaker 1: of arguments during the daytime, but we just made up 33 00:02:35,276 --> 00:02:38,876 Speaker 1: my mind that we would try to become reconcile at night. 34 00:02:38,956 --> 00:02:45,156 Speaker 1: So so we never to go to sleep same man 35 00:02:46,036 --> 00:02:49,876 Speaker 1: still angry, and that's great. You know we were talking, 36 00:02:49,996 --> 00:02:53,156 Speaker 1: is what is it that some people never can come 37 00:02:53,156 --> 00:02:56,556 Speaker 1: back from a misunderstanding? Well, how do you think that 38 00:02:56,596 --> 00:03:00,836 Speaker 1: you guys always come back from it? Well, first of all, 39 00:03:01,196 --> 00:03:04,396 Speaker 1: we have a basic premise of not ever being deprived 40 00:03:04,636 --> 00:03:08,876 Speaker 1: of ability to communicate with each other. Sometimes we do 41 00:03:08,876 --> 00:03:12,076 Speaker 1: get on the huff and ros my powerful little ball 42 00:03:12,196 --> 00:03:15,956 Speaker 1: and my powerful wall. But we try to get reconciled. 43 00:03:15,996 --> 00:03:18,916 Speaker 1: And most of the time I take the initiative when 44 00:03:18,956 --> 00:03:23,036 Speaker 1: I realized that either two sides to the issue or 45 00:03:23,036 --> 00:03:26,516 Speaker 1: that I was rolling something like that. One thing we do. 46 00:03:26,676 --> 00:03:30,036 Speaker 1: We're Christians, both of us. So we read the Bibble 47 00:03:30,116 --> 00:03:34,436 Speaker 1: every night, and we have done that for fifty years 48 00:03:34,436 --> 00:03:39,156 Speaker 1: maybe really, yeah, And how do you go in order? 49 00:03:39,276 --> 00:03:41,116 Speaker 1: Or do you pick a page or just and right 50 00:03:41,156 --> 00:03:44,396 Speaker 1: now we're going through the New Testament in Spanish. We 51 00:03:44,476 --> 00:03:48,196 Speaker 1: have a Spanish English persion. So one night Rosen reads 52 00:03:48,196 --> 00:03:52,836 Speaker 1: and the next night I read. And traveling overseas or 53 00:03:52,916 --> 00:03:57,556 Speaker 1: when Rosa was traveling, we still read the same shift 54 00:03:57,596 --> 00:04:00,996 Speaker 1: in the Bible. And so we know that, you know, 55 00:04:01,036 --> 00:04:04,476 Speaker 1: even though we might be five thousand miles apart, we 56 00:04:04,596 --> 00:04:09,996 Speaker 1: still share the same taste. So it's been all in all, 57 00:04:10,036 --> 00:04:12,516 Speaker 1: it's obviously been a good life. It has been been 58 00:04:12,556 --> 00:04:16,756 Speaker 1: a good luck now, but Matt without its challenges, that's right. 59 00:04:16,796 --> 00:04:20,436 Speaker 1: We've had constant challenges and and and set back, you know, 60 00:04:20,636 --> 00:04:23,676 Speaker 1: not getting re elected president. The first time I ran 61 00:04:23,756 --> 00:04:27,556 Speaker 1: for government, I failed to be elected. And how did 62 00:04:27,556 --> 00:04:31,356 Speaker 1: you come back from those losses? Did you use Rosa 63 00:04:31,436 --> 00:04:33,676 Speaker 1: to help you back or did you go in a 64 00:04:33,716 --> 00:04:36,356 Speaker 1: corner and powder. How did you think? I think he 65 00:04:37,276 --> 00:04:41,876 Speaker 1: had to help me. I was the one upset, really yeah, 66 00:04:41,916 --> 00:04:44,676 Speaker 1: and he was upset, but I was more upset, I 67 00:04:44,836 --> 00:04:48,036 Speaker 1: think because he if he doesn't help me out, don't 68 00:04:48,316 --> 00:04:53,356 Speaker 1: think I've forgotten when I failed and politics. Rosa was 69 00:04:53,356 --> 00:04:57,316 Speaker 1: angry with the public, she was angry with Reagan and 70 00:04:57,356 --> 00:05:01,116 Speaker 1: so forth. I had to take of ways to calmlow down. 71 00:05:01,996 --> 00:05:06,276 Speaker 1: So I was searching for constantly Paul for good things 72 00:05:06,276 --> 00:05:10,276 Speaker 1: about not being re elected, you know, so I had 73 00:05:10,316 --> 00:05:16,996 Speaker 1: to he's a pain, which we did. And so that's 74 00:05:16,996 --> 00:05:20,476 Speaker 1: how the quarter set of was born something to do. 75 00:05:20,636 --> 00:05:23,116 Speaker 1: I was. I was just fifty six years old. That 76 00:05:23,316 --> 00:05:26,076 Speaker 1: Rosa was just fifty three, so we we had to 77 00:05:26,116 --> 00:05:29,516 Speaker 1: say twenty five years of life ahead of us. Right. 78 00:05:30,876 --> 00:05:33,316 Speaker 1: This was the point where I had to remind myself 79 00:05:33,356 --> 00:05:37,436 Speaker 1: that they actually got married in nineteen forty six. We 80 00:05:37,516 --> 00:05:40,356 Speaker 1: didn't even have a television set in our house. We 81 00:05:40,356 --> 00:05:43,916 Speaker 1: were still in grade school and Harry Truman was in 82 00:05:43,956 --> 00:05:47,596 Speaker 1: the White House. When you got married so young, Well, 83 00:05:47,596 --> 00:05:50,636 Speaker 1: how old were you, guys? I was one month, I 84 00:05:50,676 --> 00:05:53,916 Speaker 1: was nineteen, had a baby one month twenty and how 85 00:05:53,956 --> 00:05:56,516 Speaker 1: are you so twenty was on the way to be 86 00:05:56,596 --> 00:05:59,916 Speaker 1: twenty one? We graduated back then when we were sixteen. 87 00:06:00,356 --> 00:06:05,116 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we had eleven grades and there was nothing 88 00:06:06,236 --> 00:06:09,476 Speaker 1: a woman could do except me a school teacher. A 89 00:06:09,516 --> 00:06:17,076 Speaker 1: lot very ran now six sugars. Yeah. The culture when 90 00:06:17,116 --> 00:06:21,036 Speaker 1: I graduated it was you get married in him babies. Yes, Well, 91 00:06:21,436 --> 00:06:24,676 Speaker 1: what about this guy made you think he was the one? Well, 92 00:06:25,716 --> 00:06:28,556 Speaker 1: Jimmy's sister Ruth was my bench friend. I spent a 93 00:06:28,636 --> 00:06:30,436 Speaker 1: lot of time at that house. He was never there, 94 00:06:30,916 --> 00:06:33,996 Speaker 1: and um, I always said, I fell in love with 95 00:06:34,036 --> 00:06:39,076 Speaker 1: a photograph on the ball in her bedroom. I read 96 00:06:39,116 --> 00:06:41,116 Speaker 1: somewhere where you knew right away that she was your 97 00:06:41,276 --> 00:06:44,276 Speaker 1: the one I did. Yeah, well what was that? I'm 98 00:06:44,276 --> 00:06:46,276 Speaker 1: so excited about that, because that's I felt when I 99 00:06:46,316 --> 00:06:48,596 Speaker 1: went on the Donning You show. Well, I had had 100 00:06:48,636 --> 00:06:51,356 Speaker 1: a lot of girlfriends, you know, going up in high 101 00:06:51,396 --> 00:06:54,956 Speaker 1: school and so forth. I was cruising around with my 102 00:06:54,996 --> 00:06:59,276 Speaker 1: sister Ruth and her boyfriend and just looking for a day. 103 00:06:59,436 --> 00:07:01,996 Speaker 1: I picked up Rosen in front of the best of church. 104 00:07:02,356 --> 00:07:04,756 Speaker 1: And you think that up girls at the church at 105 00:07:04,796 --> 00:07:09,556 Speaker 1: a church, Well, that's where what your young coachable symbol 106 00:07:09,636 --> 00:07:14,716 Speaker 1: at that Churchill was sent about a life. But uh. 107 00:07:15,156 --> 00:07:20,676 Speaker 1: But the next morning, after our first date, my mother 108 00:07:20,716 --> 00:07:23,476 Speaker 1: asked me quest some questions, and I finally told her 109 00:07:23,516 --> 00:07:27,076 Speaker 1: that Rosa was the one I wanted to marry and 110 00:07:27,356 --> 00:07:31,516 Speaker 1: why why? What was it? I just felt compatible with 111 00:07:31,596 --> 00:07:35,156 Speaker 1: her and she was beautiful, and I guess there was 112 00:07:35,196 --> 00:07:38,636 Speaker 1: a russener say. I kissed her on our first date. 113 00:07:38,796 --> 00:07:42,476 Speaker 1: I remember that baby to day. But we rode in 114 00:07:42,556 --> 00:07:46,436 Speaker 1: the Roman seat of Poard Coup and my sister Ruth 115 00:07:46,476 --> 00:07:51,956 Speaker 1: and her boyfriend boyfriend who was driving. I have no 116 00:07:51,996 --> 00:07:55,836 Speaker 1: idea what, but I never was doubtful. Nobody so the 117 00:07:55,916 --> 00:07:59,716 Speaker 1: father and Christmas. I told her love to her, and 118 00:07:59,876 --> 00:08:05,516 Speaker 1: it's Christmas. The next February, twenty seconds it was was 119 00:08:05,556 --> 00:08:09,396 Speaker 1: George Washington and Lincoln's joint birthday day. They were to me. 120 00:08:09,756 --> 00:08:12,036 Speaker 1: My parents came up and Rosa came up with him 121 00:08:12,516 --> 00:08:15,316 Speaker 1: to visit me, and that's when I remember asking Mary 122 00:08:15,756 --> 00:08:20,276 Speaker 1: but anyway, she said no really, so from a fair 123 00:08:20,356 --> 00:08:26,716 Speaker 1: way told May. My impression was that she was dating 124 00:08:26,756 --> 00:08:29,636 Speaker 1: all the other available boys to find a better match. 125 00:08:30,396 --> 00:08:33,996 Speaker 1: And finally in May she said, okay, why did you 126 00:08:34,036 --> 00:08:38,956 Speaker 1: say no? Before my father died when I was thirteen, 127 00:08:39,076 --> 00:08:41,516 Speaker 1: I was the oldest, four head of sister four and 128 00:08:41,556 --> 00:08:44,796 Speaker 1: two brothers in between. And on his death bed he 129 00:08:44,836 --> 00:08:48,956 Speaker 1: called us in the room and I promised him that 130 00:08:49,156 --> 00:08:51,356 Speaker 1: I would go to college, and it was hard for 131 00:08:51,476 --> 00:08:57,756 Speaker 1: me to go against that. Right, I graduated from college, 132 00:08:58,356 --> 00:09:01,876 Speaker 1: so you got two years in. We were living in 133 00:09:01,996 --> 00:09:08,476 Speaker 1: Norfolk in the navy, and and when when she had 134 00:09:08,516 --> 00:09:11,436 Speaker 1: the baby, we had been married almost exactly a year. 135 00:09:12,836 --> 00:09:15,196 Speaker 1: I was gold at sea most of the time, and 136 00:09:15,356 --> 00:09:18,996 Speaker 1: so she had full responsibility to take care of the household, 137 00:09:19,516 --> 00:09:22,676 Speaker 1: to shop for groceries, and had to pay the bills 138 00:09:22,716 --> 00:09:25,716 Speaker 1: and everything else. I was. I had a stal life, 139 00:09:25,796 --> 00:09:31,596 Speaker 1: you much. We lived upstairs over the skipper and his 140 00:09:31,676 --> 00:09:34,596 Speaker 1: wife would say all the time, so that anytime I 141 00:09:34,636 --> 00:09:38,116 Speaker 1: needed anything with the new baby, she was there to 142 00:09:38,196 --> 00:09:42,676 Speaker 1: help me. And uh, and then all of us, so 143 00:09:42,756 --> 00:09:45,956 Speaker 1: many of the wives being pregnant and having babies and 144 00:09:46,076 --> 00:09:48,396 Speaker 1: everything made it easier for me because we you know, 145 00:09:48,436 --> 00:09:50,996 Speaker 1: we just got together while the men were gone. He 146 00:09:51,156 --> 00:09:54,236 Speaker 1: used to go get groceries with the baby, and I 147 00:09:54,236 --> 00:09:57,116 Speaker 1: would get off on the street corners and the bus 148 00:09:57,596 --> 00:10:00,956 Speaker 1: and put the groceries down, running with the baby, go 149 00:10:01,036 --> 00:10:06,356 Speaker 1: back and get it was tough, yeah, but I did 150 00:10:06,436 --> 00:10:10,716 Speaker 1: develop some independence because he was gone, so he was 151 00:10:10,876 --> 00:10:14,596 Speaker 1: enjoying it. I had to had a total household. Yeah, 152 00:10:14,636 --> 00:10:18,156 Speaker 1: she was. As far as major decisions was concerned. I 153 00:10:18,236 --> 00:10:22,516 Speaker 1: never did even consult with her. And later when we 154 00:10:22,556 --> 00:10:25,676 Speaker 1: got home from Native we didn't have any money. We 155 00:10:25,716 --> 00:10:30,196 Speaker 1: lived in the government housing project in Plains, And when 156 00:10:30,236 --> 00:10:33,076 Speaker 1: I decided to run for the state Senate after being 157 00:10:33,076 --> 00:10:37,796 Speaker 1: a farmer for a long time, I didn't even consult 158 00:10:37,876 --> 00:10:42,396 Speaker 1: with her about it. I just came in one day 159 00:10:42,436 --> 00:10:47,116 Speaker 1: and began to change my work clothes into suiting and coat, 160 00:10:47,956 --> 00:10:50,956 Speaker 1: and she asked me if I'm little funeral somewhere had 161 00:10:50,996 --> 00:10:53,796 Speaker 1: to go to. I said, no, I'm going and run 162 00:10:53,836 --> 00:10:56,156 Speaker 1: for the state Senate. But I never did even discuss 163 00:10:56,236 --> 00:10:59,836 Speaker 1: that with her before before I made the finals of season. Wow, 164 00:10:59,956 --> 00:11:03,996 Speaker 1: you talk about that man, that could possibly have happened. Yeah, 165 00:11:04,116 --> 00:11:07,596 Speaker 1: but what I would dream of doing that for the 166 00:11:07,676 --> 00:11:13,756 Speaker 1: last forty five years. About marriage, I mean, can you imagine, 167 00:11:14,116 --> 00:11:16,836 Speaker 1: here's this peeded farmer who decides to run for the 168 00:11:16,916 --> 00:11:19,956 Speaker 1: Senate and doesn't even mention it to his wife. But 169 00:11:20,036 --> 00:11:23,476 Speaker 1: eventually they found the key that made their marriage evolve. 170 00:11:24,076 --> 00:11:27,356 Speaker 1: We began to work together as equals. In our business. 171 00:11:28,076 --> 00:11:30,996 Speaker 1: I kept our books, and so it was not very 172 00:11:31,036 --> 00:11:34,716 Speaker 1: long before I knew on paper more about the work 173 00:11:35,036 --> 00:11:38,916 Speaker 1: than he did, and we became partners in and I 174 00:11:38,996 --> 00:11:43,716 Speaker 1: began to consultant Rosen before I made any major decisions. 175 00:11:44,276 --> 00:11:49,836 Speaker 1: So it was a transformation in a marriage. We'll have 176 00:11:49,996 --> 00:12:03,756 Speaker 1: more after a quick break. We're back to our conversation 177 00:12:03,836 --> 00:12:07,556 Speaker 1: with former President Jimmy Carter and First Lady Rosalind Carter. 178 00:12:08,316 --> 00:12:11,476 Speaker 1: They were described to us how the power dynamic in 179 00:12:11,556 --> 00:12:15,916 Speaker 1: their marriage became more balanced in their decades together. But 180 00:12:16,036 --> 00:12:19,476 Speaker 1: I was still curious, what was the challenge that was 181 00:12:19,516 --> 00:12:22,236 Speaker 1: the toughest for them to overcome when we try to 182 00:12:22,276 --> 00:12:27,236 Speaker 1: write a book together. So we all be careful. That's true. 183 00:12:27,516 --> 00:12:32,516 Speaker 1: That was the biggest challenge to our marriage book. But 184 00:12:32,636 --> 00:12:35,396 Speaker 1: we started writing the book and we decided I would 185 00:12:35,796 --> 00:12:37,956 Speaker 1: write one chapter and that she would write the next one, 186 00:12:37,996 --> 00:12:42,476 Speaker 1: and we would swop chapters and edit each other. But 187 00:12:42,636 --> 00:12:46,956 Speaker 1: basically we had a different writing style. I write very rapidly. 188 00:12:48,036 --> 00:12:50,516 Speaker 1: I read thirty four books at all, you know, I 189 00:12:50,636 --> 00:12:55,716 Speaker 1: write very rapidly and Rosen doesn't. So I would write 190 00:12:55,756 --> 00:12:59,276 Speaker 1: my chapter and give me the Rosen to edit, and 191 00:12:59,476 --> 00:13:01,756 Speaker 1: she would book to put it as a rough draft, 192 00:13:02,876 --> 00:13:06,436 Speaker 1: but when she finished a chapter it was like she 193 00:13:06,556 --> 00:13:09,116 Speaker 1: had been about side of and God had given us 194 00:13:09,156 --> 00:13:12,556 Speaker 1: heard this prescious tech vault and stone and if I 195 00:13:12,676 --> 00:13:17,516 Speaker 1: changed wouldn't word in it it because up serious distress. 196 00:13:18,436 --> 00:13:22,996 Speaker 1: So we had a we soon old. We soon decided 197 00:13:24,236 --> 00:13:29,836 Speaker 1: that we would give Peter Osenos you know, uh they're small, 198 00:13:29,876 --> 00:13:34,316 Speaker 1: advanced back and uh and forgetting the book real it 199 00:13:34,356 --> 00:13:36,876 Speaker 1: was it was breaking up our marriage. We couldn't talk 200 00:13:36,916 --> 00:13:39,956 Speaker 1: about it. We couldn't We couldn't even discuss it with 201 00:13:40,036 --> 00:13:41,716 Speaker 1: each other. We just wrote out their letters back and 202 00:13:41,756 --> 00:13:45,476 Speaker 1: forth on the word process. But we would agree on 203 00:13:45,556 --> 00:13:49,276 Speaker 1: ninety the tile ninety seven percent of the road, but 204 00:13:49,396 --> 00:13:54,156 Speaker 1: the three percent we didn't agree on because there's something happened. 205 00:13:54,396 --> 00:13:56,436 Speaker 1: I might have thought it was humorous and she might 206 00:13:56,436 --> 00:13:59,796 Speaker 1: have thought it was very serious. So Peter Osenos came 207 00:13:59,836 --> 00:14:04,796 Speaker 1: down the planes and I had the things, and said, 208 00:14:05,236 --> 00:14:07,196 Speaker 1: I hate for you to give up this book because 209 00:14:07,196 --> 00:14:09,876 Speaker 1: it has a good potential, And I said, okay. So 210 00:14:09,916 --> 00:14:13,076 Speaker 1: he he went down throughout the book and filed out 211 00:14:13,116 --> 00:14:17,676 Speaker 1: the paragraphs on which we couldn't agree completely, so he 212 00:14:17,836 --> 00:14:20,916 Speaker 1: divided them up. He gave half the paragraphs to me 213 00:14:21,836 --> 00:14:24,476 Speaker 1: and has the other half of paragraphs to Rosen. You 214 00:14:24,636 --> 00:14:28,836 Speaker 1: knew and in the book it had a Even when 215 00:14:28,876 --> 00:14:30,836 Speaker 1: they printed up the book, Peter, I wasn't put an 216 00:14:30,956 --> 00:14:34,996 Speaker 1: r by Rose's paragraphs on a jay by my paragraph 217 00:14:35,076 --> 00:14:38,436 Speaker 1: And so when when I had a paragraph, I could 218 00:14:38,436 --> 00:14:41,836 Speaker 1: write the filer version of Rose couldn't. He couldn't change it, 219 00:14:42,116 --> 00:14:45,676 Speaker 1: and vice versa. So we saved the book and it 220 00:14:45,916 --> 00:14:49,436 Speaker 1: was hard. It always broke up your marriage. The biggest 221 00:14:49,436 --> 00:14:51,556 Speaker 1: surprise for me here in the short term we've had 222 00:14:52,436 --> 00:14:57,916 Speaker 1: is I think you're a feminist. Well, I'm always thought 223 00:14:57,956 --> 00:15:01,596 Speaker 1: I was, But Jimmy has always thought I could do 224 00:15:01,676 --> 00:15:06,716 Speaker 1: anything always, and so I campaigned all over the country. 225 00:15:06,756 --> 00:15:10,556 Speaker 1: I mean, U, I've done things I never dreamed I 226 00:15:10,636 --> 00:15:14,676 Speaker 1: could do. And and we've done things together, like we 227 00:15:14,796 --> 00:15:19,236 Speaker 1: took down her skiing lessons when he was sixty two 228 00:15:19,276 --> 00:15:23,156 Speaker 1: and hours fifty nine. I mean, we started skiing agents. 229 00:15:24,036 --> 00:15:26,476 Speaker 1: He doesn't only want to learn about things, he wants 230 00:15:26,516 --> 00:15:28,996 Speaker 1: to do them because that we're doing birth watching him 231 00:15:29,076 --> 00:15:35,476 Speaker 1: with all kinds of stuff together, and it's just been had. 232 00:15:35,516 --> 00:15:40,236 Speaker 1: Things happened to us, like living in a dream, Yeah, 233 00:15:40,756 --> 00:15:44,156 Speaker 1: because of him, Because he just had confidence that I 234 00:15:44,156 --> 00:15:47,756 Speaker 1: could do anything. Yeah, yeah, and so they gave me 235 00:15:47,796 --> 00:15:50,356 Speaker 1: confidence that I could do it. If you could give 236 00:15:50,396 --> 00:15:54,756 Speaker 1: advice to a couple to married already or about to 237 00:15:54,796 --> 00:15:59,996 Speaker 1: be married, what would you say that would maybe help them? 238 00:16:00,716 --> 00:16:03,636 Speaker 1: I would say, give each other plenty of space and 239 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:07,356 Speaker 1: do your own thing. Fine. They used to do together 240 00:16:08,396 --> 00:16:12,756 Speaker 1: and try to reconcilid the end of every day, which 241 00:16:12,756 --> 00:16:16,396 Speaker 1: means you have to communicate with each other. What about you, Wilson? Then, 242 00:16:16,556 --> 00:16:21,516 Speaker 1: I think that I went so long from being then 243 00:16:21,756 --> 00:16:25,436 Speaker 1: doing what he said, and we really had to work 244 00:16:25,476 --> 00:16:27,996 Speaker 1: at it a little bit, you know, to make it 245 00:16:28,036 --> 00:16:30,236 Speaker 1: so that it was all right for me to do 246 00:16:30,276 --> 00:16:31,996 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do and him to do what 247 00:16:32,036 --> 00:16:34,996 Speaker 1: he wanted to do. And we still care for each other, right, 248 00:16:35,236 --> 00:16:39,556 Speaker 1: that's the most important thing. It wasn't my life, and 249 00:16:39,596 --> 00:16:42,396 Speaker 1: I think probably Jimmy's too. For you to finally be 250 00:16:42,436 --> 00:16:49,836 Speaker 1: who you wanted to be. That's former President Jimmy Carter 251 00:16:49,996 --> 00:16:53,676 Speaker 1: and First Lady Rosalind Carter. I loved hearing how they 252 00:16:53,716 --> 00:16:57,836 Speaker 1: grew together. An inspiring couple and a true honor to 253 00:16:57,916 --> 00:17:01,676 Speaker 1: be with them. Until next time. I'm Phil Donahue and 254 00:17:01,716 --> 00:17:05,516 Speaker 1: I'm Marlow Thomas Oh It's been great. I Thank you, 255 00:17:06,636 --> 00:17:11,116 Speaker 1: Thank You. Double Data is a production of Pushkin Industries. 256 00:17:11,316 --> 00:17:14,676 Speaker 1: The show was created by US and produced by Sarah Lilly. 257 00:17:15,316 --> 00:17:19,916 Speaker 1: Michael Bahari is associate producer. 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