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Speaker 1: a very very busy weekend. As noted yesterday we were
Speaker 1: joined on the show talking this whole Capital Collision by
Speaker 1: David Finley. It is tomorrow Mercedes Monette in the main
Speaker 1: event against Momo No. I wonder why we didn't get
Speaker 1: Mercedes on the show yesterday. But we will have a
Speaker 1: special guest coming up at some point that I'm working
Speaker 1: on that I guarantee everybody will be so excited when
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about Capital Collision. That was a clue, by
Speaker 1: the way. And also this weekend we have two WWE
Speaker 1: pay per views, Bash and Berlin is Saturday and No
Speaker 1: Mercy is Sunday. And the Bashi and Berlin show I
Speaker 1: think they got six matches this time and No Mercy
Speaker 1: as well. So if you're a fan of re action, man,
Speaker 1: have I got a weekend for you as well as
Speaker 1: New Japan. And of course we have got Collision and Rampage.
Speaker 1: Last night was dynamite, the follow up in some ways,
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Speaker 1: happened and plenty of news as well, including yes, that
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Speaker 1: Back in the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live
Speaker 1: like semper vv also Wrestling Observer dot com. Well that
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon deal's coming out. It's titled Mister McMahon. This
Speaker 1: was a Netflix documentary that started in twenty twenty that's
Speaker 1: when development began, taking almost five years, and they worked
Speaker 1: on it and Vince, Vince was initially I mean, he
Speaker 1: was part of it, and you know what, you know
Speaker 1: what you know, you know how that Vince operates. He'll say,
Speaker 1: I want it to be fair. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: the good, good and the bad kind of like how
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, he would tell people
Speaker 1: like I want you to I want you to fight
Speaker 1: me on things. But then of course when you did,
Speaker 1: he would be really angry about it. He would say
Speaker 1: one thing, but then is that surprising? But anyway, then
Speaker 1: everything went down and now he's gone, and so everything
Speaker 1: got put on hold because I got to figure out
Speaker 1: what to do. So now we're going to get it.
Speaker 1: The docuseries available on Netflix Wednesday, September twenty fifth, Evolving
Speaker 1: along the Way Oh Sure Did, six one hour episodes,
Speaker 1: produced by Bill Simmons and Tiger King executive producer Chris Smith.
Speaker 1: Poster for the series describes McMahon as both a mastermind
Speaker 1: and a madman, says, mister McMahon chronicles a rise and
Speaker 1: fall of Vince McMahon, controversial businessman and co founder of WWE,
Speaker 1: from his transformation of the WWE from a small regional
Speaker 1: business into a global entertainment powerhouse to the explosive sexual
Speaker 1: misconduct allegations that led to his eventual resignation. His Resignation
Speaker 1: six episode series offers a deep dive into McMahon's life
Speaker 1: and his endearing franchise. Two hundred hours of interviews with
Speaker 1: McMahon himself prior to his resignation, family members, business associates,
Speaker 1: some of the most iconic names in wrestling history, journalists,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So we'll see. We'll see about this documentary.
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be great, It could be terrible,
Speaker 1: could be in the middle. I know that's you know,
Speaker 1: real shocking, but I mean, and honestly could be This
Speaker 1: could be one of the best documentaries ever since half
Speaker 1: of it was done after he was ousted. It had
Speaker 1: absolutely no control over it whatsoever. It could be terrible,
Speaker 1: you know, it could be just a bunch of bs
Speaker 1: and et cetera. It could be somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 1: If if I had to make my guess, I'd say
Speaker 1: probably somewhere in the middle. But we shall see.
Speaker 3: What day does this date?
Speaker 1: On September something or other?
Speaker 3: That Wrestling observer Radio Well.
Speaker 1: Brother it's gonna be six weeks, so it's gonna be
Speaker 1: let me retire before then. But yeah, that's it. You
Speaker 1: know what else coming up in September the CMLL ninety
Speaker 1: first Anniversary show with the debut of Orange Cassidy. He's
Speaker 1: been added to the event. Orange Cassidy gets to work
Speaker 1: Arena Mexico.
Speaker 3: Seems like it's a very good fit.
Speaker 1: Yes, him and Rocky and Satoshi ko Jima versus Volador Junior,
Speaker 1: Atlantis Junior and Ultimo Guerrero. So yeah, Chris Jericho will
Speaker 1: make his return. He'll take on Mystico on that show.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, not the first time we have seen
Speaker 1: a w stars in Arena Mexico. Now it's the place
Speaker 1: to be. Everybody wants to go. So where's Cassidy next
Speaker 1: on the list?
Speaker 3: Did you ever want to wrestle in Mexico?
Speaker 1: To how don't even want to travel to Mexico? I
Speaker 1: had Mexico come to me. I once wrestled Los Vianos,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, for the for the UWA tag team titles.
Speaker 1: Couldn't put it on my resume. Didn't win that one.
Speaker 1: It was only one of the Vianos was deceased. Mike
Speaker 1: so it was a tag match. Yeah, I can't remember
Speaker 1: who my partner was actually, now they think about it,
Speaker 1: I didn't care about him, cared about the Vianos. Might
Speaker 1: have been Matt Farmer for all I know. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was, though, God, who was my partner in that?
Speaker 3: How do you say potato and Spanish plotato.
Speaker 1: When he was planning to come out of retirement for
Speaker 1: one final match, Mick Foley considered MJF being his opponent.
Speaker 1: He was considering having one last match for his sixtieth
Speaker 1: birthday in twenty twenty five, but he suffered a concussion
Speaker 1: while only doing light training decided that ain't happening. He
Speaker 1: stated that if he had gone through with the idea,
Speaker 1: he probably would have chosen MJF. When I was thinking
Speaker 1: of having that last match, I'll tell you what. When
Speaker 1: I announced the attention, there was no shortage of people
Speaker 1: from every promotion reaching out to me, and one guy
Speaker 1: probably would have gone with because he'd clearly done some
Speaker 1: thinking about it and lined out six great weeks of TV.
Speaker 1: Was MJF. That sounds like MJF. We didn't take a
Speaker 1: photo together because we didn't want to, like ruin a
Speaker 1: secret meeting. But I heard that he had to say.
Speaker 1: I really liked it. I heard what he had to say.
Speaker 1: Had no doubt we would have pulled it off perfectly.
Speaker 1: He's so good and in his prime. Abe, he's on
Speaker 1: his prime. He's only like twenty six. He could have
Speaker 1: worked around my weaknesses, played to my strengths. I think
Speaker 1: we could have done something pretty cool. MJF final answer,
Speaker 1: but uh not looking good.
Speaker 3: So six weeks of TV for AW? Or could this
Speaker 3: have been for anybody? Could they have had their own
Speaker 3: Netflix series? Nick Foley's last match with MJF.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't think he's having that match.
Speaker 3: I don't know how the match would have been, but
Speaker 3: the microphone battle would have been pretty darn good, that's
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Uh AW has announced a date for
Speaker 1: the taping of Battle of the Belts twelve. Hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: have some title matches on this one.
Speaker 3: When is this taped?
Speaker 1: Alongside Collision? October seventeenth, Stockton, California. The They have a
Speaker 1: promotional poster with names on it, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: like a it's for a Collision and Battle of the Belts,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't really tell you anything. But hey, at
Speaker 1: least I gotta say the last Battle of the Belts,
Speaker 1: we did have a tag team title change, that six
Speaker 1: man tag team title change with Dustin and the Van
Speaker 1: Erks beating the Undisputed Kingdom, and then we also had
Speaker 1: three non tie matches Battle of the Belts for that show.
Speaker 3: So hey, that part of my request for this next
Speaker 3: WBD deal is no more Battle.
Speaker 1: Of the Belts. Yeah, well, I think you're going to
Speaker 1: have more Battle of the Belts to be honest, super
Speaker 1: so uh why oh this person here says, why is
Speaker 1: the Vienno's match not on Cage Match? Let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, everybody does anybody know when cage match actually
Speaker 1: like started? How old is it? How old is cage match?
Speaker 1: Mid midds like the two thousand, somewhere in the two
Speaker 1: thousands would so, okay, well I started wrestling. If you
Speaker 1: don't count the YWF, which now I do aftery saw
Speaker 1: some people have counted some of their career. But if
Speaker 1: you don't count it, which some people would not, then
Speaker 1: I debuted a ninety eight. Do you know how many
Speaker 1: matches of mine are not on Cage Match? I mean
Speaker 1: literally probably over a hundred. So no, it's not on
Speaker 1: Cage Match, many many other matches. I doubt it.
Speaker 3: The wrestler pages.
Speaker 1: How many matches have for me on cage Match. It's
Speaker 1: one of the irritating things about Cage Match.
Speaker 3: How many of those matches did you win? I?
Speaker 1: Well, it depends on who is wrestling Tim Flower, zero,
Speaker 1: Buddy many. Let's see what it says.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Orange Cassidy's there.
Speaker 1: Maybe not. My Wikipedia has a thing about my career,
Speaker 1: and like it just ends in like I forget what
Speaker 1: year it was, but it doesn't have any of the
Speaker 1: stuff that I did.
Speaker 3: Like as soon as the site started.
Speaker 1: It ends the week that I forget the match it
Speaker 1: was actually want to know, I think there was a
Speaker 1: match wrestle Mania weekend that didn't happen. It ends this
Speaker 1: with a bunch of matches didn't happen. Actually, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of matches I almost had
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I almost had Brian Danielson, I almost
Speaker 1: had Marty Jeannetti. I almost had Ethan Page.
Speaker 3: Ethan Page, I remember that, yeah.
Speaker 1: But I I didn't end up with him.
Speaker 3: Whatever, I actually should be happy you didn't end up
Speaker 3: with Marty Jeanetti. That could have been something.
Speaker 1: Oh, that would have been something though, right.
Speaker 3: And looking at the loop, I'd have done it. Base
Speaker 3: Brian Danielson on there. Beautiful Brian Alvarez is not.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't beautiful Brian Alvarez.
Speaker 3: What was your Lucan name?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 1: My Lucan name I was. I was just me try
Speaker 1: Chico Alvarez. I don't see how many matches, it says,
Speaker 1: I'll let you know after the break seventy five back
Speaker 1: in a moment, it was of her life.
Speaker 2: If you were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian
Speaker 2: Alvarez and Mike semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network, you.
Speaker 1: Know I was happily retired. But then I just realized
Speaker 1: something sad. Well, my illustrious career ended March twenty third,
Speaker 1: No March twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. God, that was
Speaker 1: a long time ago. It was me and Tom, it
Speaker 1: says here. They actually have it backwards on cage match,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate. My final match was a win over
Speaker 1: the Bang Bros. Someday my children will be googling me
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be awkward. I need at least one
Speaker 1: more match for my retirement. I can't go out against
Speaker 1: the Bang Bros. That's just too awkward. We'll have to
Speaker 1: figure this out because I don't actually want to work.
Speaker 1: I have to be like A. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe A. I think I could just I
Speaker 1: could take I could take fifty chops and not any bumps.
Speaker 3: How hard do you want to hit?
Speaker 1: Because I don't mind being hit or hitting. I just
Speaker 1: don't want to take a bump. There's a big difference.
Speaker 3: And Szuki that would be perfect.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a problem with Misuzuki, and that's you go
Speaker 1: over an entire match and then you go out there
Speaker 1: and he does something totally different. Well, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that. I don't want any surprises. By the way, Hey,
Speaker 1: where's that? Where's that? Lenny counter? Can we add another one?
Speaker 1: Ryan Danielsen is not retiring. He did not vacate the
Speaker 1: title on on Dynamite.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's almost like I keep telling people what's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and they don't listen to me, even though I'm virtually
Speaker 1: always right. It's funny because like Lenny is always wrong,
Speaker 1: but he is such a die hard aw fan. I've
Speaker 1: never seen anybody who so like expects things to happen
Speaker 1: in aw and they totally don't. But he's still ah now,
Speaker 1: just wants to well, it's never gonna happen. It's never
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I don't think Lenny has ever been right
Speaker 1: when I was wrong, not one single time. I don't
Speaker 1: think now. Once Brian Daylsen proclaimed he is going home,
Speaker 1: but not yet.
Speaker 3: Statement my entire life, he is, You've never been right
Speaker 3: when I've been wrong.
Speaker 1: No, there's never been something that we like, I think
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen, and think he thinks this is
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and he's right and I'm wrong. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's ever happened.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 1: It's incredible actually, So anyway, Danielson says he'll retire later,
Speaker 1: he's going to defend his title. He's gonna put us
Speaker 1: all into it, and we'll see how long he goes.
Speaker 1: So anyone want to I mean, he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: all out. Do we want to make that bet? Next?
Speaker 1: He's not losing the title to Jungle Boy.
Speaker 3: I guess it's a little thing you have in your
Speaker 3: pocket every time he defends the title. Now, as we
Speaker 3: may be seeing the last of Brian Danielson's full time
Speaker 3: in ring career. So I guess that's what you can
Speaker 3: can continue to do.
Speaker 1: I wonder if I'm one of Brian Danielson's dream opponents.
Speaker 1: We're both from Seattle. We came up at roughly the
Speaker 1: same time. I was the veteran.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: We both were at King of Indies two thousand and
Speaker 1: one where we made our name. Both worked for the
Speaker 1: new Revent Portland Wrestling.
Speaker 3: And the intro.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's crazy the similarities between the two of us.
Speaker 3: Mutch ask Brian Danielson. Then you may tie you in
Speaker 3: the knots a little bit, though you may have to
Speaker 3: work at an issue.
Speaker 1: Give me a break, well, he wants four. He was
Speaker 1: my corner man. He was my corner man when I
Speaker 1: faced UH Peach Machine in a grappling match in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Was Peach was corn by Roderick Strong?
Speaker 1: Yeah that is true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had to stick ed in the same room
Speaker 3: as Uh Brian and maybe that's probably why he didn't
Speaker 3: come around anymore.
Speaker 1: I think after that I actually taught him the standing
Speaker 1: Native American deathlock. Really, actually I may have. I remember
Speaker 1: there's actually a picture of me showing him something. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what it is. He probably doesn't remember. He
Speaker 1: probably thinks he taught that move to me.
Speaker 3: Well, he had toul and unlearn and then learn it
Speaker 3: right from Jerry Brisk that's right.
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to teach him again. Raw on Monday
Speaker 1: one point seven ninety six million viewers and a point
Speaker 1: five six number one in all of television.
Speaker 3: Oh the kids don't know. Peach Machine and the twitch.
Speaker 1: Chat forty higher than the top rated show on network TV,
Speaker 1: almost triple the highest rated show on cable. But they're
Speaker 1: not hot. But they doubled everything on primetime and tripled
Speaker 1: everything on cable, so I think that's actually pretty good,
Speaker 1: is my interpretation. Then we had NXT, which did six
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen thousand and a point seventeen, probably because
Speaker 1: the show sucked. I don't like that show at all.
Speaker 1: I did like the main event segment. I did think
Speaker 1: the main event segment with Joe Hendry and Ethan Page.
Speaker 1: I mean this Ethan Page's gimmicks, Champion is It's every
Speaker 1: feud is the same. The challenger just repeatedly pins him.
Speaker 1: It happened again here, and he'll face Joe Hendry on
Speaker 1: Sunday with Trick Williams as a special guest referee and
Speaker 1: then hopefully the shows will start getting better. They hadn't
Speaker 1: been good.
Speaker 3: People weren't sticking around there for that ending where they
Speaker 3: didn't really grab him early it didn't seem.
Speaker 1: Like I think it was just because the show felt
Speaker 1: so dead, like the crowd was.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: They taped two shows, so this was the second. This
Speaker 1: was third and fourth hour, and you could tell they
Speaker 1: were tired because they cared about nobody except Henry and
Speaker 1: you know who who then got beaten by Gallas like
Speaker 1: a mid card geek.
Speaker 2: A raw.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be held in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3: You going.
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Not a chance?
Speaker 1: Are you joking?
Speaker 3: A chance?
Speaker 1: That's gonna be uh? Taped on Sunday, November third, airing
Speaker 1: on Monday November fourth.
Speaker 3: Mmmm, well won to miss.
Speaker 1: I mean the show I'm sure is gonna be good.
Speaker 1: Have a hot crowd, I can tell you that much.
Speaker 1: Then we've got a new commentary team for ros starting
Speaker 1: on Monday. You're made man Joe Tessitore.
Speaker 3: Feel good about him. He have no idea who he
Speaker 3: is to you.
Speaker 1: No, he's a guy just a guy. I've heard of him.
Speaker 1: He's he's been on ESPN, ABC, boxing in college football.
Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is like Vince is gone
Speaker 1: and some times they still do the same thing. Maybe
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be good. Okay, maybe he'll be good.
Speaker 1: Hold on, Mike, we don't know that. Okay, They've called
Speaker 1: They've called fifty guys that have worked elsewhere, and they
Speaker 1: happen to be wrestling fans, or some of them don't
Speaker 1: even they're not even wrestling fans, and they put them
Speaker 1: in there, and I mean, who.
Speaker 3: Was this could for an hour?
Speaker 1: Who was the guy that had done MMA? What was
Speaker 1: his name?
Speaker 3: Jason or Jimmy Smith?
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith like Dave liked Jimmy Smith. And listen, I
Speaker 1: want to make it clear, I got no problem with
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith. But brother, he wasn't good. Like he was fine.
Speaker 1: He was carried by Corey Graves or whoever. They always
Speaker 1: bring these guys in, they're always fine. I've never you
Speaker 1: know how long I've been doing this, We've been talking
Speaker 1: about a lot, but talking about a lot of me
Speaker 1: on this show. I started in nineteen ninety five. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I've met a lot of fans, you know me,
Speaker 1: fans I met in the UK, A lot of them.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed a lot of people. I've talked to a
Speaker 1: lot of people, and in thirty years next year, talking
Speaker 1: to thousands of people, fans, wrestlers, the whole nine yards.
Speaker 1: I've never heard a single person say I got it
Speaker 1: into wrestling because of Jimmy Smith or Pat McAfee or
Speaker 1: any of these other people that have come and gone.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they do it. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they do it.
Speaker 3: Do what?
Speaker 1: Just hire Joe Tessitours. Hire a guy who's worked in
Speaker 1: the business and done the job. It is good at it, right.
Speaker 3: Look, they're not going to hire Dave Praisac Well, they should,
Speaker 3: they should, they should. They're not. Okay, they're not, And
Speaker 3: I get it. Add non vurk was an interesting.
Speaker 1: Add non vork. How did that experiment go?
Speaker 3: It didn't go well. But Joe Tessitore is a guy
Speaker 3: who is familiar with professional wrestling.
Speaker 1: Somebody made me a list of all the guys like
Speaker 1: this they've hired.
Speaker 3: Go ahead. Did grow up watching professional wrestling.
Speaker 1: Everybody grew up watching a lot.
Speaker 3: But there he does a lot of production. He's done
Speaker 3: a lot, he's done. He's done a lot of things
Speaker 3: where I think he's going to be an overall good addition.
Speaker 1: Plus oh yeah, the Irish guy what's his name just
Speaker 1: got fired.
Speaker 3: He was a good backstage guy. They just should never have.
Speaker 1: Made That's that's my point, Mike, this guy here, guy people.
Speaker 1: I'm worried because it's Letty telling me this. He goes
Speaker 1: Joe's really good. That means that Joe must be terrible.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Lenny says he's really good. Listen, I don't
Speaker 1: care if somebody was really good in what they're doing
Speaker 1: outside of wrestling, do you understand, like, who's uh.
Speaker 3: But you're acting like Pat McAfee is some sort of failure.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying he's a failure, but is he
Speaker 1: great at his job?
Speaker 9: Look, he's McAfee find being carried Bob of hosting college
Speaker 9: Game Day. I think he sucks Mike Adam for bearing.
Speaker 9: I think he's ridiculous. With that said, I love his energy.
Speaker 9: I think he's great at doing something. You know what
Speaker 9: that's something is his own show and actually being the
Speaker 9: play by play guy on Raw.
Speaker 3: And it's too early to say if some kid goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I got into wrestling because but no guy ever said
Speaker 3: I got into wrestling because Bobby and Gorilla had the
Speaker 3: best banter either. I mean, I didn't.
Speaker 1: That's how I got into wrestling, actually captivated by that
Speaker 1: show that in Dino Bravo matches, it wasn't Dino Bravo brother,
Speaker 1: it was the opponents of Dino Bravo in the earthquake. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I hope he does a good job.
Speaker 3: I hope he buries you unmercifully. And you didn't even
Speaker 3: know what for saying that some bomb.
Speaker 1: I didn't say he was a bum. I said, why
Speaker 1: do they always hire people that have never done the
Speaker 1: job before?
Speaker 3: Bryan, They have put people also in that position and
Speaker 3: run them out of that position who might have been
Speaker 3: good or who have been good in other play, like
Speaker 3: a Taz. They put Renee Piquette in that spot and
Speaker 3: then treated her like garbage and then she was out
Speaker 3: of there.
Speaker 1: That was you're missing my point. That was the old era.
Speaker 1: I understand they did stupid these other guys. Now we're
Speaker 1: in a new era.
Speaker 3: But Brian, every guy you mentioned with the came in
Speaker 3: the old era. Kevin Patrick, add non Burg, all those guys,
Speaker 3: Mike Adamley, they were all part of that.
Speaker 1: And now there's a new regime and we're back to
Speaker 1: hiring an ESPN ABC guy who's never called wrestling in
Speaker 1: his life to be the lead announcer of a professional
Speaker 1: wrestling show. That's freaking weird. Dude back in a moment,
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Speaker 3: I'm moving on, why don't you take the job.
Speaker 1: I've never done the job. That's my point. That's my point.
Speaker 1: You know it was actually good at the job, was
Speaker 1: Mick Foley, except for Vince yelling at him all the time. Well,
Speaker 1: Vince is gone, McK foley's nothing to do. Bring him in,
Speaker 1: have him to do commentary. Gruel him on soon and
Speaker 1: Bobby he did. And what do they both have in common?
Speaker 1: They were wrestlers with the company Jesse Ventura. I mean
Speaker 1: throughout the years, tons of them. It's a match like
Speaker 1: this guy going McAfee was a wrestler because he trained
Speaker 1: in Rip Roger's Barn. Now he was not a wrestler,
Speaker 1: he was a commentator, and then they did an angle
Speaker 1: with him and he made him a wrestler. I said,
Speaker 1: I was stopping John Moxley's returned.
Speaker 3: I'd like to see Russell McAfee in Rip Rogers Barn.
Speaker 3: I'd pay for that and get doctor Tom Pritchard to
Speaker 3: be the special guest referee. I'll do commentary on that one,
Speaker 3: all for it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: John Moxley is back, and I don't know what's going on?
Speaker 1: This is not your company anymore? He said he is
Speaker 1: aligned with Marina Shaffir and he wants Darby Allen. He's
Speaker 1: been mentoring her for like two years, so legitimately, so
Speaker 1: they've got something going on. It's probably I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's I don't know if you will be part
Speaker 1: of the Blackpool Combat Club or the BCC because he
Speaker 1: didn't do anything with the BCC on the show, so
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 3: Maybe he and Daniel Brian were Brian Danielsen wear black
Speaker 3: shirts and support of each other there. I wonder where
Speaker 3: this is gonna go with Moxley and if he really
Speaker 3: because they made it sound like he's got words with
Speaker 3: Darby Allen and almost made it feel like it. First man,
Speaker 3: maybe he's got some beef with him, But I have
Speaker 3: a feeling maybe they all just joined together here because
Speaker 3: he seemed to be talking. Was he talking to Tony
Speaker 3: khanza Avatar, Tony Schavani when he said that this is
Speaker 3: not your company anymore? Or was he talking to somebody else?
Speaker 3: Be interesting to see how all that goes.
Speaker 1: We had is she Ea and Hangman page, which was frickin' awesome.
Speaker 1: This match was so awesome. And if she took I swear,
Speaker 1: I swear to God, everybody, to the Lord above, is
Speaker 1: she took the greatest DDT in the history of wrestling,
Speaker 1: in the history of wrestling. I'm gonna tell you. For
Speaker 1: those who didn't see the match, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what happened. You're going to listen to it. You're not
Speaker 1: going to believe me, and then you're going to go
Speaker 1: watch it and you're gonna say, holy heck, that is,
Speaker 1: in fact, exactly what happened. They were on the apron,
Speaker 1: Hangman grabbed a she eat, he gave him a DDT.
Speaker 1: Is she landed in a headstand. He was on his
Speaker 1: head upside down on the apron and his body was
Speaker 1: sticking straight up in the air a legitimate headstand, not
Speaker 1: using his hands, just on only his head. He then
Speaker 1: remained balanced upside down on his head for six full
Speaker 1: seconds before he collapsed. I watched this over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. It was like I've never
Speaker 1: seen anything like it. It was like I watched someone
Speaker 1: get killed and it was so funny and I was laughing,
Speaker 1: and I watched it again and again and again. I
Speaker 1: felt like I was on the highway to hell. But
Speaker 1: he didn't die, so it turns out he was all right.
Speaker 1: But it was the funniest, most preposterous, ridiculous bump you've
Speaker 1: ever seen. I don't know how he did it. I
Speaker 1: don't know how he did it, but he did it.
Speaker 1: Hang man, of course one, and then Swerve came out.
Speaker 1: They went back and forth here having a cage match
Speaker 1: at all Out. I will say that having two weeks
Speaker 1: between all In and All Out is better than having
Speaker 1: one week. But this doesn't listen. I like tradition too, okay,
Speaker 1: but it's one or the other. I think that they
Speaker 1: need to get rid of All Out.
Speaker 3: Well next year, no, no, no, no, no. Next year you
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about it because they're going to
Speaker 3: be doing the Forbidden Door build at that around that time,
Speaker 3: and then all In is going to be in Texas
Speaker 3: and it's not going to be what's the date on
Speaker 3: that one? I believe it's going to be moved away
Speaker 3: where you don't have to worry about it as much.
Speaker 1: And we had a MGF coming out for a promo,
Speaker 1: his neck all taped up. It was actually a great promo.
Speaker 1: And then he gets attacked by Daniel Garcia, at which
Speaker 1: point Daniel Garcia is another one. He cut the best
Speaker 1: pro I've ever seen him cut in a w by
Speaker 1: leaps and bounds, leaps and bounds. They will be having
Speaker 1: a match also at all out or Garcia wants to
Speaker 1: give him that tombstone off the middle rope.
Speaker 3: Don't diamond ring because he pawned it for plane tickets.
Speaker 1: Well that's that's the story he told. But I think
Speaker 1: his character was making it up just to like. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that is the actual story, but legitimately, Uh,
Speaker 1: the dynamite diamond ring vanished in the UK, and I
Speaker 1: guess it's possible that he lost it, but I think
Speaker 1: it was stolen.
Speaker 3: How do you figure that as opposed to possibly him
Speaker 3: losing it?
Speaker 1: Do you know anything about London? Don't wear anything nice
Speaker 1: anywhere in London unless you want it stolen. You can
Speaker 1: off your neck, pickpocket, stolen off the ring or stolen
Speaker 1: off the finger. Yeah, Ask any of the london Ners here,
Speaker 1: they'll tell you. We had learning tree in Roderick Strong
Speaker 1: versus Conglomeration in hook as a match. Loved it. Thought
Speaker 1: the booking was so stupid. So I'm watching this match,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, well, you know we got all
Speaker 1: out coming up. Let's do a finish to set up
Speaker 1: all out. So it comes down to Roderick and Hook
Speaker 1: in the ring together. Thought okay, well yeah, Roderick pins
Speaker 1: Hook and then we got the you know, the FTW
Speaker 1: title match. Well they're doing the deal and Hook puts
Speaker 1: him in the red rum and Roderick Strong taps out. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: his foot was under the ropes and it shouldn't have counted,
Speaker 1: but the fact is it did count. He tapped out.
Speaker 1: He tapped out.
Speaker 3: I quit.
Speaker 1: Then he attacks him afterwards, and they set up the
Speaker 1: match for all out. He's getting a championship match based
Speaker 1: on submitting to the champion. Okay, whatever, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if his foot was under the rope, you geek. At best,
Speaker 1: that means that like he shouldn't have been pinned or
Speaker 1: submitted her, but he gave up. Yeah that's stupid. Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: if you would have pin Hook, fine, that sets up
Speaker 1: a title match.
Speaker 3: Handful of trunks. Maybe his feet on the rope, something
Speaker 3: like that. Maybe we had another.
Speaker 1: Thing I didn't like that was a Mercedes. She's having
Speaker 1: a victory party. But his backstage, like just her and Camille.
Speaker 1: She's all by herself, celebrating alone. And then private party
Speaker 1: comes up and you know, Zay starts hitting on her,
Speaker 1: and then uh Okada comes up and he's smitten with
Speaker 1: Mercedes and he does a dance with her and everything,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, this is one of those social
Speaker 1: media things. What is happening here? Like what? Like I
Speaker 1: think there was something on social media where like Okada
Speaker 1: was smitten with Mercedes, likes he's in love with her
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 3: But what I cannot wait until Samoa Joe comes back
Speaker 3: and dresses up Okada just like Ocado to his green
Speaker 3: hornet like they were in TNA Impact, Because it's about
Speaker 3: the same thing. I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 1: Oh, apparently there was a segment on TV Quickly a
Speaker 1: few weeks back. Wow, why does Ocada love Mercedes? Why
Speaker 1: is Okada a heel? I mean, I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I've never in my life. Listen, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: heels that people like, Okay, but even heels that people like,
Speaker 1: you'll still find a few people doing them. There isn't
Speaker 1: a living being on earth that has Bootokata one time
Speaker 1: in this company. Why is he a heel nobody?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm trying to figure out why he likes visits
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 1: Then we had a Shavanni interviewing Mariah May, which was
Speaker 1: this segment she showed off her belt and left. I
Speaker 1: cannot say that I was like blown away by this
Speaker 1: follow up to her beating Tony Storm in Wimeny.
Speaker 3: It didn't sound like the crowd was either, but that was
Speaker 3: pretty much the crowd all night.
Speaker 1: I explained this, like, they don't care about Mariah unless
Speaker 1: she is linked to Tony. That is a problem. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: Do you think she wrestles in lingerie too or just
Speaker 3: threatens to expose it?
Speaker 1: Unlikely? And we had Ricochet and Kyle Fletcher, which was
Speaker 1: I mean, this was exactly what I thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be and is exactly what it was. It
Speaker 1: was Kyle Fletcher put in there to have a banger
Speaker 1: and then lose again, which he did and man Ricochet
Speaker 1: was gassed by the end of this match. He is like,
Speaker 1: I was howling because I'm watching the match and like
Speaker 1: I can see like he's doing all of his stuff,
Speaker 1: like he's determined to have an old school ricochet match,
Speaker 1: like a on the Indies type match, but like he's
Speaker 1: doing so much stuff and they're going so fast, and
Speaker 1: I don't know in the last time he wrestled was
Speaker 1: I guess, actually, you know what, let's find out the
Speaker 1: last time he had a match.
Speaker 3: Say late June something like that, but probably certainly didn't
Speaker 3: don't remember it being to that kind of physicality for
Speaker 3: that long. He had a bunch of speed matches on
Speaker 3: the way out, did he not? Let see?
Speaker 1: Okay, the last time he had a match prior to
Speaker 1: the Gauntlet, which he was only in four for a second,
Speaker 1: was a speed match which was only four minutes, and
Speaker 1: that was June seventh, so it's been two months since
Speaker 1: he had a match. And anyway, you can just see
Speaker 1: near the end of the match, you can see him
Speaker 1: taking these big, deep breaths, but he's just he's gonna
Speaker 1: keep going. He's gonna go to the end. And he
Speaker 1: finally gets that that pinfall, and then he collapsed and
Speaker 1: he laid on his back and he just laid there
Speaker 1: and laid there and breathed and laid there, and the
Speaker 1: ref comes and he helps him sit up, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy gave it hiss all. I'm not even saying
Speaker 1: anything bad, but man, he gave it as all. And
Speaker 1: then outcomes will Ospray, but he's immediately killed by Pac
Speaker 1: and it's Pack and Osprey. It all out, and then
Speaker 1: the main event was the Brian Danielson segment where yes,
Speaker 1: he he revealed he is not quitting, He's gonna keep going.
Speaker 1: How about that he issued an open challenge, first come,
Speaker 1: first served. And by the way, people aren't gonna like this,
Speaker 1: but this was stupid because nobody knew what Brian Danielson
Speaker 1: was going to say. Well I did, but nobody knew
Speaker 1: that he was going to issh an open challenge, first come,
Speaker 1: first served. Somehow, Rickshet had a pre taped video that
Speaker 1: aired on the screen addressing Brian Danielson's statement accepting the challenge.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Jack Perry, and then Jack Perry jumps in
Speaker 1: from behind because it was, in fact it taped earlier.
Speaker 1: So that actually made absolutely no sense whatsoever, no sense.
Speaker 1: But that is the match. It is Jungle Boy against
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson for the title.
Speaker 2: It all out.
Speaker 3: It happens a lot there to some degree or another.
Speaker 1: How did how did Jungle Boy know that he was
Speaker 1: going to not retire. How did maybe I told him?
Speaker 1: How did he know that he was going to issue
Speaker 1: an open challenge? How did he know exactly what he
Speaker 1: was going to say so that he can make that
Speaker 1: video in advance to air on the big screen.
Speaker 3: What did you think about John Moxley unleashing? Marina Shaffer
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 1: We talked about that the backstage guys though we talked
Speaker 1: about it well, I mean the backstage actor were beyond
Speaker 1: It was because of the actors in the back they
Speaker 1: were so horrible.
Speaker 3: I mean, my god, what movie did John Moxley watch?
Speaker 1: I actually know the movie he watched.
Speaker 3: Because there's going to be things that are gonna have
Speaker 3: to be explained. If this is going to be one
Speaker 3: of those, we're taking it from legitimate movies and weaving
Speaker 3: it into wrestling.
Speaker 1: Because I Rumper Stomper Australian cult classic nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: He was playing Russell Crowe in this in what he
Speaker 1: was doing all right? Not making this up? Yep, that's
Speaker 1: a scoop for you.
Speaker 3: Maybe with Punk God, now he can go back to
Speaker 3: some of the Rocky storylines, because you know, most people
Speaker 3: have seen Rocky obviously Punk has it, and of course
Speaker 3: you haven't.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I knew Lenny would explain that it made sense.
Speaker 1: Back in a moment Observe Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alfarez
Speaker 2: and Mike semper VV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Back on the show, Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live,
Speaker 1: like semper VV also Wrestling Observer dot Com, I have
Speaker 1: to explain that a pre taped promo.
Speaker 3: Never mind, I know, I know, you know what.
Speaker 1: I got to come up Tonight the Brida Vintie Show
Speaker 1: a special guest Lisa, who is there in the UK?
Speaker 3: Is she taking over from Vinnie's No, Viny's back?
Speaker 1: Okay, yep, Me and Vinnie and Lisa will be talking
Speaker 1: some memories from London as well as this week's aw
Speaker 1: Dynamite and NXT.
Speaker 3: Was Lisa one of these drunk people that close talked
Speaker 3: to you now with the hot breath and whatnot. No,
Speaker 3: she was very professional in the rest of these You
Speaker 3: drink any of it all over there?
Speaker 1: I drink every day. That should tell you something about
Speaker 1: my trip to London.
Speaker 3: Ciders, Hey, hard liquor, hard liquor vodka.
Speaker 1: But I'm back on the wagon now tried out. I'm
Speaker 1: just back on the wagon. I'm about to end the
Speaker 1: actual literal wagon because I'm going to the fair tomorrow
Speaker 1: and I will I will get off the wagon when
Speaker 1: I go to the fair.
Speaker 3: Do you understand you're getting the pie eaton competition?
Speaker 1: There's no Lance show today. He's at TNA. Also like
Speaker 1: a fair, I'd say like a carnival. But it's much
Speaker 1: better now. Anyway, we got to wrap it up. Got
Speaker 1: a lot to do here today. But I'll be back
Speaker 1: later on tonight with more. Michaeill be up tomorrow, maybe
Speaker 1: with Filthy.
Speaker 3: We'll probably not sinceil be in Washington, d C. Getting ready.
Speaker 1: You can still do the show. He's got a phone.
Speaker 1: Make it work well, he no, all right, we'll talk
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: All right, We're right.
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody will talk you next time. Wrestling Observer Live.
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