WEBVTT - Jared's Hands

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies

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<v Speaker 1>in the basement.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded

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<v Speaker 3>into this huge thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew, I just knew the move wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>Police say thirty three year old Jared brid Agan was

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<v Speaker 5>shot dead.

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<v Speaker 4>I kept calling his phone during the drive.

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<v Speaker 3>Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.

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<v Speaker 6>His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying

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<v Speaker 6>he was targeted.

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<v Speaker 4>Eventually, a police officer answered and told me to come

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<v Speaker 4>to the police station.

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<v Speaker 7>Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms.

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<v Speaker 5>If you know something, heard something, please it's never too

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<v Speaker 5>late to do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I

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<v Speaker 7>spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in

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<v Speaker 7>the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get

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<v Speaker 7>animal abusers arrested.

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<v Speaker 3>We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.

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<v Speaker 3>We spent over a year and a half trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man

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<v Speaker 3>that was killing cats online and he was threatening to

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<v Speaker 3>move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatdah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called

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<v Speaker 7>Don't Fuck with Cats.

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<v Speaker 3>That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigative skills

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<v Speaker 3>to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.

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<v Speaker 7>This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and KT's Studios.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's explain how the season is going to work.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to investigate a few cases. We never know

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<v Speaker 3>where they're going to lead.

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<v Speaker 7>But our hope is at a minimum, maybe we can

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<v Speaker 7>bring attention to these cases that are being under investigated

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<v Speaker 7>and just maybe in discussing them on our podcast, we

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<v Speaker 7>can provide information to law enforcement that moves this investigation forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So, our first case the season is the murder

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<v Speaker 3>of Jared Bride Again. He's a thirty three year old

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<v Speaker 3>Microsoft executive that was shot while driving back to his

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<v Speaker 3>home in Saint Augustine, Florida.

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<v Speaker 7>Jared had just dropped off his nine year old twins

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<v Speaker 7>at his ex wife's house. We've all heard about this

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<v Speaker 7>case online, but.

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<v Speaker 3>News reports only provide a sliver of the story. We're

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<v Speaker 3>hoping his wife Kirsten can fill us in more about

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<v Speaker 3>that night.

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<v Speaker 4>On February sixteenth, the Wednesday night, Jared left and he

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<v Speaker 4>took our daughter Bexley, who was two, with him on

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<v Speaker 4>what is referred to as date night. In his divorced

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<v Speaker 4>agreement with his ex, they had it listed so they

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<v Speaker 4>had fifty to fifty custody of the kids Name and Abbie,

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<v Speaker 4>the twins, and so on the weeks that they were

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<v Speaker 4>at our home, his ex wife Shanna would take them

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<v Speaker 4>on date night on Wednesdays, and then when they were

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<v Speaker 4>at her home the next week, then Jared would take

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<v Speaker 4>them on date nights. So that's what he left to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Our daughter alwaysn't with him. She loves being with her

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<v Speaker 4>dad like she's always with them. So he left our

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<v Speaker 4>house about like five point fifty that evening and then

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<v Speaker 4>picked up Lemon Abbey from his ex's house, took them

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<v Speaker 4>to dinner at this barbecue restaurant. They got ice cream.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know this because my stepdaughter Abby had texted

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<v Speaker 4>me from the restaurant on Jared's phone and told me

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<v Speaker 4>what they were doing and what they were eating, and

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<v Speaker 4>then after he dropped Leam and Abbey back off at

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<v Speaker 4>his ex's house, he called me. This is like seven

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<v Speaker 4>forty seven in that evening, and so it was a quick,

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<v Speaker 4>quick call. I hung up, and it was probably within

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<v Speaker 4>a minute or two that he was shot. And so

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<v Speaker 4>what happened is he was on his usual route. We

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<v Speaker 4>ninety nine percent of the time took the same route home.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was on this road and there was a

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<v Speaker 4>tire in the middle of the road and they believed

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<v Speaker 4>that that is why he stopped. His emergency flashes were

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<v Speaker 4>on and within you know, a few steps of exiting

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<v Speaker 4>the vehicles, he was shot multiple times at close range,

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<v Speaker 4>with our daughter and her part scene. So I was

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<v Speaker 4>realizing he wasn't home. He usually is, and when he wasn't,

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<v Speaker 4>I started to get worried. It's so hard to explain,

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<v Speaker 4>like I knew. I just knew something was wrong. My

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<v Speaker 4>parents were at our house, and I told him, like,

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<v Speaker 4>something's not okay, and the feeling was just so strong,

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<v Speaker 4>and he wasn't answering me. I kept calling his phone,

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<v Speaker 4>and eventually a police officer answered and told me to

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<v Speaker 4>come to the police station. And it was later that

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<v Speaker 4>night that they confirmed that Jared had been killed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a tremendous losstery in your family, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very very sorry.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the things I loved and missed most about him,

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<v Speaker 6>which might sound strange, are his hands. Like he just

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<v Speaker 6>had such strong hands. And I know that that probably

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<v Speaker 6>sounds so weird to everyone, but like after Jared died,

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<v Speaker 6>that was like the one thing that I really wanted

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<v Speaker 6>was I just wanted to hold his hand again.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, just like we held hands, like I felt safe.

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<v Speaker 8>Like that's the type of feeling and strengths that I

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<v Speaker 8>got from him.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you tell us a little bit about Jared, just

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<v Speaker 3>like who he was like as a person, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Would say a big driving portion and everything that he did.

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<v Speaker 4>But how do I make memory as a family. So

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<v Speaker 4>he was the type of dad that when it was

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<v Speaker 4>raining and we would often build little boats out of

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<v Speaker 4>hot clue and toothpick and then we would go outside

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<v Speaker 4>and float them down, you know, the the curb, the

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<v Speaker 4>gutter where the water flows.

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<v Speaker 6>He absolutely loved to do things with the kids. He

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<v Speaker 6>and the kids had discovered a show called kraft Topia.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like a kid's crafting competition, and the kids were

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<v Speaker 6>really into it, and so Jared decided that we were

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<v Speaker 6>going to have our own craft Topia competition with Leam

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<v Speaker 6>and Abby. So we set the garage up with different

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<v Speaker 6>stations filled with craft supplies that we got at the

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<v Speaker 6>dollar store in Walmart, Like we just had crafts everywhere,

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<v Speaker 6>and then Jared filmed it.

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<v Speaker 8>He like made this short little episode movie.

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<v Speaker 6>About them doing this competition, and like he just lived

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<v Speaker 6>for making memories as a family, Like that is what

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<v Speaker 6>brought him the most joy is seeing his kids, all

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<v Speaker 6>of his kids and us bond and make memories that

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<v Speaker 6>would last a lifetime.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think his background, you know, coming from a divorce,

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<v Speaker 8>just furthered that desire to like utilize the time that

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<v Speaker 8>he did have with his oldest two to really bond

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<v Speaker 8>and make good memories together.

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<v Speaker 3>Jared's brother Adam also remembers him as creative and strong.

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<v Speaker 5>It's funny to hear Kirsen share about creating those boats

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<v Speaker 5>in the rain, because we used to be that as kids.

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<v Speaker 5>We grew up in North Carolina. We were a very

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<v Speaker 5>very middle class family. You got four siblings and two

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<v Speaker 5>parents who worked a lot, and so it was kind

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<v Speaker 5>of us just as kids just playing out in the

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<v Speaker 5>neighborhood trying to figure out what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 5>Jared was always the creative one, and so we used

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<v Speaker 5>to hang out with our friends, roam the street, but

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<v Speaker 5>no one messed with Jared because you know, he was

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<v Speaker 5>just he actually was a phenomenal wrestler because he was

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<v Speaker 5>just naturally strong, you know. After wrestling, kind of just

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<v Speaker 5>gravitated towards the arts and was just again creative. Love technology.

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<v Speaker 5>Jared and I got to actually work together at one

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<v Speaker 5>of the companies I invested in and was able to

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<v Speaker 5>actually bring Jared over and he kind of headed up

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<v Speaker 5>the technology for the company and he would go out

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<v Speaker 5>and he'd build them, and his coworkers loved him because

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<v Speaker 5>he would just figure things out.

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<v Speaker 3>What did he do, like what was his job?

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<v Speaker 4>But he joined Microsoft in October. He was a senior

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<v Speaker 4>design manager. He just managed designers, helped them to come

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<v Speaker 4>up with, Hey, how can we improve the design of

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<v Speaker 4>this product to make it easier for users to understand

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<v Speaker 4>and use?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So he wouldn't have exposed like some accounting you

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<v Speaker 3>know air. It wouldn't have been that kind of job

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<v Speaker 3>like where Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the main reasons why Jared wanted to actually

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<v Speaker 5>join Microsoft because him saying, hey, like now that we're

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<v Speaker 5>having London, like it would be awesome if you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Kirsen didn't have to work full time, and so he's like,

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<v Speaker 5>so I'm going to start interviewing. But he really wanted

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<v Speaker 5>Kirsen to be able to not have to work at

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<v Speaker 5>Microsoft and help with the kids. And I know that

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<v Speaker 5>that was a paramount to him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I had actually resigned from my position like

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<v Speaker 4>a month before. Actually he's less than a month. It

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<v Speaker 4>was less than a month before he was killed.

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<v Speaker 7>Jared sounds like this really nice, cool, smart guy. He's

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<v Speaker 7>got a really good job. So it doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 7>he was in any line of danger or his work

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<v Speaker 7>involved him in anything particularly shady.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he sounds like he was a really good

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<v Speaker 3>dad too. He had a challenge of raising twins that

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<v Speaker 3>he split with his first wife, in addition to the

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<v Speaker 3>two kids he had with Kirsten. But it still sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like it was a really like happy and loving environment.

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<v Speaker 7>It sounds like they were making the best of it, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned earlier on the day of the incident,

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<v Speaker 2>you had a gut feeling. Can you what do you

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean, what was that gut feeling?

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<v Speaker 4>It's so hard to describe. I just got this feeling

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<v Speaker 4>like something's not right. I look over at the clock

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<v Speaker 4>and that's when I'm like, you should be home. And

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<v Speaker 4>then my Mom's like okay, because she could tell I

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<v Speaker 4>was getting a little not agitated that like not I

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<v Speaker 4>was uneasy. I was like, he's usually back by now. No,

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<v Speaker 4>like in my soul, I just I don't know how

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<v Speaker 4>to say it, like I knew, like something is very wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>And and once I got in the car and started

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<v Speaker 4>driving and he wasn't answering like I knew, and I

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<v Speaker 4>told my mom I said I think he did, like

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<v Speaker 4>I just knew. And then when the police officer answered

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<v Speaker 4>and wouldn't respond to my question about is my husband okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I just said, please come to the Jacksonville Beach Police Department.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, okay, well there's my answer, And especially

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<v Speaker 4>when I said is my daughter okay? And I said

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<v Speaker 4>she's okay, So I'm like all right. So they confirmed

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<v Speaker 4>Bexley's fine. They will not say anything about Jared. But

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<v Speaker 4>once they started asking me what clothes he was wearing

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<v Speaker 4>and did he have any markings on his body, that

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<v Speaker 4>type of stuff. I was like, yep, no, that's exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what it was. In my gut, I knew. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>almost like Jared was there kind of warning me, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm gone, just kind of giving me that

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<v Speaker 4>pre warning, Like I honestly think he just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to prep me for before some random person who's

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<v Speaker 4>never met told me the news.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 7>This is the first time I'd heard about Jared's case

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<v Speaker 7>and doing this podcast, and you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>the information that I kind of took at face value

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<v Speaker 7>prima phasia was from media reports and it kind of

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<v Speaker 7>seems slanted one way. But then after talking to Kirsten,

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<v Speaker 7>you kind of get a really big impression that he

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<v Speaker 7>was targeted.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, especially since like the tire is put right in

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<v Speaker 3>front of his car basically, and there was nothing stolen.

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<v Speaker 3>There was nothing taken from the vehicle, you know, his wallet,

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<v Speaker 3>all his possessions.

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<v Speaker 7>But we still want to go through the research process

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<v Speaker 7>and see if it could be something else, like a

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<v Speaker 7>car jacking or a road rage incident. Let's stop here

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<v Speaker 7>for a break.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>What can you tell me about the road Is this

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<v Speaker 3>like a normal road that people would go down, or

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<v Speaker 3>is it like isolated?

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<v Speaker 4>Typically when there's traffic, this is faster than going on

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<v Speaker 4>the big multiple lane roads to get to the Highway.

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<v Speaker 4>So it is a very very common route for our

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<v Speaker 4>family and especially Jared, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess what I'm trying to ask, is is it

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<v Speaker 3>something like a stranger would know he would be on

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<v Speaker 3>that road if he's coming back from her house, or

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<v Speaker 3>would it be something that only people that have intimate

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<v Speaker 3>details about Jared would know.

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<v Speaker 4>I firmly believe that there are only three people outside

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<v Speaker 4>of Jared who knew that that was his route, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's myself, his ex wife and her husband.

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<v Speaker 3>Did they look at the tire to see what kind

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<v Speaker 3>of car it came from or anything like that?

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<v Speaker 4>They confirmed it was from a Ford f one point fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>And you think that that was placed there intentionally to

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<v Speaker 3>get him to stop?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? And the police have confirmed they believe it was

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<v Speaker 4>a targeted Oh they did own word targeted attack. They

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<v Speaker 4>believe this was specific for Jared.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, I'm so sorry, like truly, that's just terrible.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>And your daughter was with him, and how old is she?

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<v Speaker 4>She was two and a half oh my gosh. And

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<v Speaker 4>so we we had a black Volkswagen Atlas, the three

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<v Speaker 4>row vehicle. She was in the second row, and there

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<v Speaker 4>are bullet holes in the car. So it's actually very

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<v Speaker 4>lucky that she wasn't struck by one of the bullets

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<v Speaker 4>that went through the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>The tire is the big piece.

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<v Speaker 4>Of evidence, right, Yes, the tire. And they also caught

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<v Speaker 4>surveillance footage of a Ford F one fifty in the

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<v Speaker 4>area that they believe could be connected.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I'm going with it. I'm looking at images

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<v Speaker 2>from that security video. So I owned a Ford F

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<v Speaker 2>one safety. I know where the spare tire is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>in the back underneath the bed. You have to go

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<v Speaker 2>underneath and unscore school. But I don't think the spare

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<v Speaker 2>tire matches four existing tires the knife rooms.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just a spare tire.

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<v Speaker 2>So the image I see of a tire, it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the tires that would have been on

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<v Speaker 2>the vehicle itself. Now that doesn't mean somebody could have

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<v Speaker 2>taken the spare off, do it on and left this there,

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean the tire looks deflated.

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<v Speaker 3>And I looked at the spare tire, did you look

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<v Speaker 3>at it or not the spare, but the tire in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the picture of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, was the air let out or did somebody stab

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<v Speaker 1>the sidewalls.

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<v Speaker 2>With the knife?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's what I want to talk about because it

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<v Speaker 3>looks to me like there's like eight punctures in this tire.

0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.240
<v Speaker 1>That was my initial impression. But eight eight is overkill.

0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.640
<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't need like one or two would let all there.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm thinking is is if they let the air

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<v Speaker 1>out of the tire, that's what happens. That's what the tire.

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<v Speaker 2>The sidewalls kind of get that roop.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it dimples.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did they say like they're like nice stabbings in

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<v Speaker 2>the sidewalk of the tire? Was just the airlet out?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know any of that?

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<v Speaker 4>They haven't told me any of that, but they did

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<v Speaker 4>say that the truck photos there is it does look

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<v Speaker 4>like a spare or a different if a tire without

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<v Speaker 4>a rim is on one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So of the four tires, one of them doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>match the other three. It looks like somebody may have

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<v Speaker 2>taken off the original tire and put the spare tire on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet that's where I'm going with it. There is a

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<v Speaker 2>connection to this tire. There is maybe some connection to

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<v Speaker 2>the security camera video of an F one fifty in

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<v Speaker 2>the area. Obviously the big piece of evidence at the

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<v Speaker 2>scene is this tire. So yeah, like the big connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know, is it like hard to find the

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<v Speaker 2>exact location where this happened? Is it like there's notress

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<v Speaker 2>so like there's a building nearby? Right, That's the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>thing for me. I want to look in the area

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<v Speaker 2>and see and things like that. So that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to see. If you could send that to us,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be great, just what we can get the

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<v Speaker 2>lay of the land and see where everything was at.

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<v Speaker 2>It's creepy to think maybe somebody snuck up on him

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<v Speaker 2>or who knows, maybe their car was on the side

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<v Speaker 2>of the road. So yeah, that would be my big thing,

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<v Speaker 2>a location. And do you believe that F one fifty

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<v Speaker 2>in the security video is tied to Jared's incident?

0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I trust their judgment on that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that tire is going to have a ton of

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<v Speaker 7>information or at best a fingerprint that the forensics can

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<v Speaker 7>take off and run through a database and connect it

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<v Speaker 7>to somebody who may own that vehicle.

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<v Speaker 3>Because there's going to be like a manufacturing stamp of

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<v Speaker 3>some kind, a serial number, a lot number something.

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<v Speaker 2>How is Jared found another vehicle? Was it law enforcement?

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<v Speaker 4>Driving by the road where huge shot is kind of

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle of a neighborhood. It's just this one

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<v Speaker 4>stretch where it's wooded one there's a curb on the

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<v Speaker 4>edge of the streets. You can't like go around things.

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<v Speaker 4>There's trees, street signs. So people heard the shots. At

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<v Speaker 4>least a couple of neighbors called nine online reporting gunshots,

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<v Speaker 4>and then some other cars that pulled up within you.

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<v Speaker 4>Bexley was alone before she was pulled from the vehicle

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<v Speaker 4>for over three minutes, so it took at least three

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<v Speaker 4>minutes for someone else to physically be on the scene,

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<v Speaker 4>although neighbors had called nine to one one reporting the gunshots.

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<v Speaker 4>I know a bystander pulled Bexley from the car just

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<v Speaker 4>over three minutes after the gunshots were caught by cameras

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<v Speaker 4>in the area.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know if they've looked at like ringing cameras

0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.800
<v Speaker 3>and you know, things like that, Yeah, they.

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<v Speaker 4>Did canvass the area. Some people gave video. That's how

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<v Speaker 4>they knew exactly what time the gunshots were fired. Interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 4>the police department is really close to his exit's house,

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<v Speaker 4>so one of those images that's been shared is from

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<v Speaker 4>their own camera. The police department.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, Yeah, this is very active, so we have

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<v Speaker 3>to be a little careful.

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<v Speaker 7>So there seems like there's a lot to go on.

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<v Speaker 7>There was a lot of evidence laughed at the scene.

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<v Speaker 7>The police can use this information to hopefully track down

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<v Speaker 7>the person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there we still have a lot of questions

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<v Speaker 3>about the area, and it really helps to have Kirsten

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<v Speaker 3>walk us through it.

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<v Speaker 4>The spot where he was, from my understanding, is between

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<v Speaker 4>there's a street sign on one side and there's a

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<v Speaker 4>tree directly on the other. So where the tire was

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<v Speaker 4>from my understanding, was right in between those two things

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<v Speaker 4>on the side. So even if he went over the curbs,

0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.520
<v Speaker 4>he couldn't go around it.

0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.399
<v Speaker 3>It looked narrow, but it's just a one lane going

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<v Speaker 3>one way and the other lane on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that road splits one side and there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>median down the middle. That's why I was like, why

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<v Speaker 2>didn't he just drive around the tire?

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<v Speaker 4>Now I understand now that makes me yes, Yeah, so

0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.520
<v Speaker 4>it's that yellow stop sign, yellow warning of a stop

0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.080
<v Speaker 4>sign sign and then the tree over on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's a lot of trees and palm trees

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<v Speaker 2>and foliage for somebody to hide out if they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to write.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe there's a fence along. So this is too Yeah,

0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.880
<v Speaker 4>this is twenty nineteen. I think there's a fence that's

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<v Speaker 4>also up. You see those houses through the trees. I

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<v Speaker 4>believe there's a fence there today.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is like my last question, but like a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of days after Jared I was murdered, there was

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<v Speaker 3>somebody like peeping up around your house or something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I believe it was a week after I had

0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.399
<v Speaker 4>I was talking Bexley in the bed, so it's like

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<v Speaker 4>seven after seven pm that night. I don't remember the

0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.000
<v Speaker 4>exact time I could look. And I got a not

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.920
<v Speaker 4>occasion on my Apple watched the person in the driveway

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like what, So I grabbed my phone

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<v Speaker 4>and I looked and it's it's so blurry. I've gotten

0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.840
<v Speaker 4>different cameras sens then, because it's just horrible footage, but

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<v Speaker 4>it was. The video was analyzed by a special unit

0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.239
<v Speaker 4>and they confirmed that it is human. So a lot

0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 4>of people are like, oh, maybe it's a moth or

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, something on the camera or whatever. But it

0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:19.159
<v Speaker 4>was confirmed by this specialized team that it is a

0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:24.159
<v Speaker 4>human figure. So it was coming from across the front

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<v Speaker 4>of my garage and then cut across the corner of

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<v Speaker 4>the house and disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I can't imagine. Let's stop here for

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<v Speaker 3>another quick break. When I went to bed the night

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.840
<v Speaker 3>we spoke with Kirsten, his wife, I was thinking about

0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:03.119
<v Speaker 3>the ambush. I could not stop thinking about it. So

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<v Speaker 3>Jared was shot, and he was shot multiple times from

0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.840
<v Speaker 3>roughly three to four feet away. The neighbor heard the

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<v Speaker 3>shots from across the street. He didn't hear anything else

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<v Speaker 3>at all. There were no arguments or raised voices. So

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<v Speaker 3>the cops have basically said that he was ambushed, meaning

0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.919
<v Speaker 3>that he literally just stopped, He turned his hazards on,

0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.840
<v Speaker 3>opened up his door, got out, and was shot and

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<v Speaker 3>there were bullet holes in the car door. The car

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:36.840
<v Speaker 3>had been struck by gunfire, and I verified that with

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:42.400
<v Speaker 3>an article from news for Jack's It's like a local detective.

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Sergeant David Young with the Jacksonville Police Department said Bride

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.240
<v Speaker 3>again was shot to death next to the driver door

0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 3>of his SUV, which was also struck by gunfire. So

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how many shots hit Jared, and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how many shots were in the car. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot I don't know. But there are things that

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<v Speaker 3>I do know. Are that a tire was in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of the road. Jared couldn't get around it. This

0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 3>is according to official reports, and he had to stop

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 3>and get out to move the tire. And here's the thing,

0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 3>this is what I couldn't stop thinking about. You asked

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:20.119
<v Speaker 3>me what I was thinking about? Right, How do we

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:24.399
<v Speaker 3>know that the tire was placed there? How do we

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<v Speaker 3>know he was targeted? How do we know it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a car that was there?

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<v Speaker 1>Or was there a tire in the road with the

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle and a person acting like they had a flat

0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 1>tire they were replacing. Jared gets out of the car,

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:43.560
<v Speaker 1>person working on the said flat tire, stands up close out,

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<v Speaker 1>a gun shoots him right, gets back in the car

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<v Speaker 1>and drives off, but leaves the tire there. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the theory of the ambush.

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<v Speaker 3>Theory, right, Or was somebody like hiding in the woods

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<v Speaker 3>and place the tire when they knew Jared was coming.

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Here's what I can let go of. If it was

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<v Speaker 3>somebody targeted targeting him, like they want Jared, they would

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.639
<v Speaker 3>have to be in communication with one to two other people.

0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.119
<v Speaker 3>Like he's coming now, he just turned down Fitz Street.

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:14.800
<v Speaker 3>He just turned down Jacksonville Drive. He'll be there in

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.640
<v Speaker 3>two minutes. Nobody's behind him, do you know what I mean?

0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 1>It's coordinated right?

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Either that or did they use like an air tag

0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.600
<v Speaker 3>to follow him? Yeah, like did when he was eating

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:27.879
<v Speaker 3>ice cream on his date night while they were eating

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.920
<v Speaker 3>ice cream? Did somebody AirTag Jared's car? Did they look

0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 3>for air tags on the atlas, the Volkswagen Atliss Did

0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.640
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean? Like, how did they know

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Jared was coming in that there were no cars behind him?

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>That's the million dollar question right now. And nothing was stolen,

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Nothing was stolen out of the vehicle, nothing was stolen

0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>off with Jared's person.

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:51.960
<v Speaker 3>It was just it was an assassination, right.

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:55.239
<v Speaker 1>It appears to be an execution style of assassination. And

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.679
<v Speaker 1>from what we know so far, from the time the

0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>neighbors heard gunshot to the time police showed up, it

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 1>was a very short amount of time. It was within

0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:05.359
<v Speaker 1>five ten minutes.

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 3>The daughter that was in the backseat. This is something

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 3>else I couldn't stop thinking about. I got on my

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.280
<v Speaker 3>watch and I did stop a timer for three minutes.

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 3>She sat there for three minutes before a neighbor came

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:19.200
<v Speaker 3>and grabbed.

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<v Speaker 1>Her out of the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, out of the vehicle. She sat there for three minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>She's in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Car seat while while this all transpired.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was thinking about that a lot. And I

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<v Speaker 3>woke up the next morning and I found a subreddit

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<v Speaker 3>dedicated to this, and I found a Facebook group dedicated

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<v Speaker 3>to this. There is a lot on the internet about this,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>This happened in February of twenty twenty two, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is relatively new. It's an open case, but there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot out there for a short period of times. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of public interest in this case because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of relationship that goes along with this. And

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<v Speaker 1>and every time I go back to so we were

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<v Speaker 1>sent like a Google map pendpoint of where it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like every time I look at about like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect location if you were going to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be it right.

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<v Speaker 3>I totally agree. I walked to the neighborhood and Google maps,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was trying to figure out if somebody put

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<v Speaker 3>a tire in the middle of the road, where would

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<v Speaker 3>they put the truck. My understanding of the the way

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<v Speaker 3>the police view this crime scene is that the truck

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<v Speaker 3>was not on the road, just the tire right, So

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<v Speaker 3>somebody is hiding in the wooded area off to the right.

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<v Speaker 3>They run to the middle street, drop the tire, run

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<v Speaker 3>back to the wooded area, wait for Jared to park

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<v Speaker 3>his car, and then walk out and shoot him, and

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<v Speaker 3>then run back through the wooded area to the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>Sanctuary Way is the neighborhood right next to the wooded

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<v Speaker 3>air and there is parking on the street in a

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<v Speaker 3>cul de sac, and then drive away. The police have

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<v Speaker 3>released images of a truck that they're looking for in

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<v Speaker 3>relation to this crime, and the truck appears to have

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<v Speaker 3>a spare tire on.

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<v Speaker 1>It, and so the tire that was left isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>spare tire, it's the tire that would be on one

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<v Speaker 1>of the regular tires. But police and their investigation came

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<v Speaker 1>across some security camera footage that shows a four f

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<v Speaker 1>one fifty and out of the four tires. One appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be a spare, so it kind of fits in that. Well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is the truck that's related, because the tire

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<v Speaker 1>laying in the road is the one that would have

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<v Speaker 1>been on here if the spare tire wasn't there. How

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<v Speaker 1>stupid would a person be to use the tire from

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<v Speaker 1>the truck they're driving? I know, I know, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing I know. So I mean, you've gone

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<v Speaker 1>through all of this plan to do this, the timing

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. Are you going to use it tire

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<v Speaker 1>from your eh? It just seems odd?

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<v Speaker 3>John, Oh my god, I need to tell you about this. John.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like a really weird coincidence and it shows

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<v Speaker 3>like behavior patterns that are kind of scary. So I

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<v Speaker 3>really think Kirsten needs to be alerted to this, if

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<v Speaker 3>she's not already.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I agree, let's call her.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Kirsten. I read something earlier today. It was very strange.

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<v Speaker 3>It was about Jared's ex wife, Shana's husband, Mario. It

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<v Speaker 3>was about him killing cats.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually didn't know that until it was recorded by

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<v Speaker 4>that new source. So that was a surprise to me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I have not been surprised by much that was

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<v Speaker 4>in surprise to me.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing that stood out to me, John, was that

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<v Speaker 3>not only is he possibly killing cats, but he's doing

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<v Speaker 3>it in a really inhumane way. Listen, I'm jumping to

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<v Speaker 3>conclude here, please, you know, like keep this in mind,

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<v Speaker 3>but almost like he wants the cats to suffer, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like die slowly. So that really stood out to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why I wanted to ask about it. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know if you had any inside information. We'll definitely

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<v Speaker 3>get into that too, because you know, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>deviant behavior, right, and it shows like a lack of

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<v Speaker 3>empathy that you would need in order to do this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like cold blood of killing. And we have

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<v Speaker 3>lots of experience with that particular issue. More on that

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