Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, look, yes, I was like I always
Speaker 1: forget our damn introm Sorry y'all.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, We're.
Speaker 1: Brown, ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, we're extra black brown
Speaker 1: today and stew we have a guest today. Her name
Speaker 1: is Robinson. Let me read you a little taste about
Speaker 1: miss Lacy. First of all, she is an educator like myself,
Speaker 1: so you already now it's on like donkey Kong. Lacey
Speaker 1: is the president and CEO of Unbounded, which is an
Speaker 1: education organization that offers standardize that offers standards aligned resources
Speaker 1: and immersive professional learning for teachers and leader seeking equity.
Speaker 1: She has over twenty years of experience and education and
Speaker 1: focuses on helping educators in school systems disrupt systemic racism
Speaker 1: and its legacies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, and she's the author of a new book. See
Speaker 1: if y'all watch me on YouTube, like I'll be telling
Speaker 1: y'all you can see the book. It's beautiful yellow. It
Speaker 1: is called Justice Seekers Pursuing Equity in the Details of
Speaker 1: Teaching and Learning. Yes, we both got our books out. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know you know black goes so good with yellow,
Speaker 1: you said, look.
Speaker 3: At that looks and so that's blue.
Speaker 1: So welcome to the podcast Lazy than You so excited.
Speaker 2: Well, first of how I met Lacey. She just somebody's dope.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell all your business, girl, but just
Speaker 1: to be you just meet adult black woman on social
Speaker 1: media like we should connect, and then we literally did.
Speaker 1: It was just on something like hey girl, hey, and
Speaker 1: then we spoke for three hours.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I told somebody. I was like, if
Speaker 3: that had been a first date, that would have been
Speaker 3: the perfect first date, Like, oh my god, I'm in
Speaker 3: my spirit, I'm at my spirit person. I've never seen
Speaker 3: her person, but yes, it was.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it was awesome. We just, like you know, some
Speaker 1: people you just connect with, Like that's what it was.
Speaker 1: We got connected on social media, had a phone call
Speaker 1: that I thought it'd be like, oh twenty thirty minutes. No,
Speaker 1: like I said, the lady got to walk with me.
Speaker 1: I walk, We talk, we cried, we laughed, chat.
Speaker 2: This is about BFF now.
Speaker 1: And so when I saw that she had a book
Speaker 1: coming out, I was like, hello, come on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello, let's promote this book.
Speaker 1: You know, but honestly, so much your story is so
Speaker 1: interesting Lacy, because so many of our listeners have like
Speaker 1: pivot stories, you know, So I would love for you
Speaker 1: to kind of share how because one y'all might not
Speaker 1: be familiar with Unbounded. But it's not a small nonprofit.
Speaker 1: You know, they got a big budget, right lady, what
Speaker 1: we talk about?
Speaker 2: Sixty sixty million?
Speaker 3: Oh shoot, we are we on our way there. I'd
Speaker 3: say close to forty forty three, you know.
Speaker 2: Only forty million, you know, now something like we.
Speaker 3: Have We have a for profit and nonprofit side, Okay,
Speaker 3: and my goal was one hundred million. You know, I
Speaker 3: mean dream right, but I mean into reality. So and
Speaker 3: I have we We're about one hundred and ten employees
Speaker 3: across the United States, and so we do three national
Speaker 3: convenience I have the next final convenient that's happening this
Speaker 3: season in DC next week. Last month, in June, we
Speaker 3: had our Standards Just Too Convenient, where almost two thousand
Speaker 3: educators from across the United States got together and for
Speaker 3: an entire week and did what we call made their
Speaker 3: brain sweat around standards, aligned curriculum, and the equity that
Speaker 3: is essential to close the opportunity gap here in the
Speaker 3: United States. So I'm just super excited and feel really
Speaker 3: blessed to lead this organization.
Speaker 2: So I love that.
Speaker 1: So how but you didn't always Obviously, no one starts
Speaker 1: off as a president and CEO, right, So what was
Speaker 1: your trajectory?
Speaker 2: Like, how did you get here?
Speaker 3: Oh? My gosh, okay, So like you, I started out
Speaker 3: as an early childhood teacher. I actually taught in an
Speaker 3: early childhood center to put myself through undergrad I went
Speaker 3: to the Florida A and M University, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: And honestly, I didn't really want to be a teacher.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be an actress. And my mother was like,
Speaker 3: I need you to get a four to one K
Speaker 3: and have some health efits. And so she was like,
Speaker 3: I've watched you from the time you were a child.
Speaker 3: You love children, you love reading, you love teaching people,
Speaker 3: and you're a little bit busy. So I think you
Speaker 3: should try being a teacher. And so I went into
Speaker 3: the teaching profession. I started an undergrad and by the
Speaker 3: time I reached my junior year, it became a calling.
Speaker 3: Like I could literally feel my spirit lift and soar
Speaker 3: when I thought about the potential that is yielded in
Speaker 3: a classroom when you have the right mix of a
Speaker 3: teacher that is dedicated, that is well prepared, that has
Speaker 3: the passion students regardless of social economic status, regardless of background,
Speaker 3: but had that desire, you know, that desire that like
Speaker 3: the three and four year olds have when they're learning,
Speaker 3: and the hunger, the right materials, the support like with
Speaker 3: all those things are mixed in. I'm telling you, you
Speaker 3: know this firsthand. Magic happens in classrooms. We see it
Speaker 3: on a daily basis, and so that's what started to
Speaker 3: drive me from there. Honestly, it was a set of
Speaker 3: unforeseen opportunities that I never said no to. So when
Speaker 3: I went to do my residency, somebody said, you should
Speaker 3: go observe Marva Collins Preparatory School in Cincinnati. If no
Speaker 3: one knows about Marva Collins, please look her up. She is,
Speaker 3: I'd say one of my original She ros African American
Speaker 3: women in the city of Chicago, had enough with the
Speaker 3: way her kids were being schooled and decided to open
Speaker 3: up her own classroom in her living room in Chicago.
Speaker 3: And word got out in the neighborhood that her kids
Speaker 3: were not only learning, but excelling, and the neighbors started
Speaker 3: bringing their kids and all of a sudden, her living
Speaker 3: room is packed, and regardless of where the students were,
Speaker 3: they were learning Shakespeare and Chaucer and algebra. Like she
Speaker 3: had just this insurmountable belief that brown and black children
Speaker 3: have all the potential to become whatever they want, and
Speaker 3: when we set the right environment for them, they can learn.
Speaker 3: So I got an opportunity to intern in a school
Speaker 3: that was modeled after her schools. I got an opportunity
Speaker 3: to go live in Germany and observe after school programs
Speaker 3: on dods, and also get opportunity to look at how
Speaker 3: kindergarten is done in Europe very different. I got an
Speaker 3: opportunity to go to Columbia University and work for someone
Speaker 3: who's a really big guru. Well I'm not going to
Speaker 3: say their name. My first lent sent around professional development.
Speaker 3: I ain't even know there was a career professional development.
Speaker 3: I thought you could be a teacher, oh, a principe,
Speaker 3: but a professional developer I never even heard of it.
Speaker 3: And then became a principal with new leaders, started to
Speaker 3: work for new leaders after becoming a turnaround principal coaching,
Speaker 3: and then lo and behold, honey, I went and applied
Speaker 3: to this company called Unbound Needed didn't get the job
Speaker 3: the first time around, which is I always tell people,
Speaker 3: is a testimony, okay.
Speaker 2: Because then you know every no, aim no, And.
Speaker 3: They didn't. They didn't hire me, but they said come
Speaker 3: back and facilitate at one of our national convenience and
Speaker 3: I did that and all of my I would say,
Speaker 3: gifts and talents showed and they invited me to apply
Speaker 3: again for a job at Unbounded and I worked first.
Speaker 3: I was a senior director. That's the other thing too,
Speaker 3: Get in because if it's meant to be, you will
Speaker 3: fit in, okay, if you have gifts and talents, and
Speaker 3: those gifts and talents have an opportunity to shine. Don't
Speaker 3: worry about what level you come in on, because those
Speaker 3: gifts and talents are going to carry you. And that's
Speaker 3: what happened. Month after month. I kept getting a promotion
Speaker 3: to the point where my mother was like, now what
Speaker 3: is you doing over there? Did they promote you everything?
Speaker 3: For me? And I went from senior director to chief
Speaker 3: and then got an opportunity where they allowed me to
Speaker 3: take their standards, institute their national committee, and add some
Speaker 3: touches to it and shift it and make it about equity,
Speaker 3: which is one of our pervasive issues in education today.
Speaker 3: And we took off our sales, our revenue sword. We
Speaker 3: started getting weight less for people to come to our institutes.
Speaker 3: And my board at the time needed to replace the
Speaker 3: CEO and came to me and said, do you want
Speaker 3: to do it? And like all.
Speaker 1: Teachers to gird and CEO. I'm gonna like something forty
Speaker 1: million dollar. You know, it's just like what I just
Speaker 1: I hope listening to that, y'all are like, okay, you
Speaker 1: know that. You know sometimes you think you're stuck in
Speaker 1: a place or how are your skills transferable?
Speaker 2: But they are, yeah, they are. Yes.
Speaker 3: Especially I want all I hope educators because I know
Speaker 3: it's tons of them that listen to you and follow you.
Speaker 3: I want them to understand something. Number One, your gifts
Speaker 3: and talents are beyond measurable. We can only capture a
Speaker 3: snapshot in that evaluation if it's any good. Second, of all,
Speaker 3: we are some of the most creative. I mean, look
Speaker 3: at yourself, self sufficient, magivering kind of professionals you will find, okay,
Speaker 3: And I think you also have to allow yourself time
Speaker 3: to develop. Who said you got to drop it to
Speaker 3: a career and be instematic.
Speaker 2: No, it's true.
Speaker 1: I think that, Like I think so many of us
Speaker 1: don't realize. Like I talked for ten years and then
Speaker 1: that it was that skill. People always ask me, what
Speaker 1: do I credit the success of the budgetista, And I'm
Speaker 1: like that preschool classroom. I learned all I need to
Speaker 1: learn about leadership, about presentation, about different personalities, about like
Speaker 1: you know about management, I mean, because you're doing it
Speaker 1: all and so so many of the skills. Like I
Speaker 1: saw this really fun meme about like first stay at
Speaker 1: home moms who think they can't join the workforce, and
Speaker 1: then listed all of the the skill sets that these
Speaker 1: day at home moms have that absolutely translate into the workforce.
Speaker 2: So no, I love that.
Speaker 1: So what made you decide with all of this knowledge
Speaker 1: and all this all these experience, is this your first book?
Speaker 2: Justice Seekers?
Speaker 3: It is. It's my first published book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what made you decide to write it?
Speaker 3: Well, I will tell you. I've been a storyteller since
Speaker 3: I was a child, so telling runs in my family.
Speaker 3: I always dripped of being a writer from the time
Speaker 3: I think I was like five years old. Never thought
Speaker 3: my first would be a nonfiction piece. But It's a
Speaker 3: passion piece that I did with the organization, and I
Speaker 3: do keynotes. I do national keynotes around the United States
Speaker 3: and began to notice that the keynotes started going viral.
Speaker 3: A big chunk of the keynotes is my own personal journey.
Speaker 3: I got an opportunity, which is rare, Tiffany. I got
Speaker 3: an opportunity to stand on stage in front of what
Speaker 3: I called it edgy sphere and make my confessionals about
Speaker 3: being an educator, right like admitting that I did not
Speaker 3: always have the greatest learning environment for my students because
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know the nuances of how
Speaker 3: to teach regal and I tried my hardest to get
Speaker 3: my kids to learn, but without the proper professional development,
Speaker 3: I was a miss. You know. I was a middle
Speaker 3: school turnaround principle, and I allowed the system to put a.
Speaker 4: Cloud of unbelief in my students over me because of
Speaker 4: the zip codes they lived in, because of their social
Speaker 4: economic status, because of the former reputation that the school had,
Speaker 4: And rather than seeing my kids for the beauty and
Speaker 4: the gifts and the talents and.
Speaker 3: Who they were, I saw them as this group of
Speaker 3: people that in some instances were nuanced, you know, were
Speaker 3: nuisances to the system, and I made mistakes. I wanted
Speaker 3: them to excel, but I wanted them to excel what
Speaker 3: assimilation is lensed because I thought that was the way
Speaker 3: that I made it. And it wasn't until I left
Speaker 3: the principalship and I had time to sit back and
Speaker 3: think as an educator and realized that my own internal
Speaker 3: meter about who I was as a black woman, as
Speaker 3: a black child, as a black student, who I showed
Speaker 3: up as a teacher and principle was based off of
Speaker 3: my own internalized racist beliefs and values, and that there
Speaker 3: were times, as much as I believed in my students,
Speaker 3: those values superseded what I did. And so as I
Speaker 3: started to reflect, I started writing to tell the story.
Speaker 3: I looked at the keynotes that I did and I said,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: seek justice, justice for our students, justice for our teachers,
Speaker 3: but most importantly, justice for this nation, because we're at
Speaker 3: a time where we don't have anything any more time
Speaker 3: to waste. So I started writing it down and I
Speaker 3: kept saying to people in the organ I was like,
Speaker 3: I got a book, I got a book. I got
Speaker 3: a book, and they were like, Lacey, if you say
Speaker 3: you're gonna do it, we know you're gonna do it,
Speaker 3: go and write it. So my yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: got help from Unbound ad community. I got people in
Speaker 3: the community, smart people, superheroes I call them. But that's
Speaker 3: what the book is. It's an amalgamation of my story
Speaker 3: as a student, teacher, principal. Our story is unbound it.
Speaker 2: No, I love that.
Speaker 1: So what do you well, one, this is like, aside
Speaker 1: from the book, what do you think some of that?
Speaker 1: Because one of my friends, doctor artist, We're gonna put.
Speaker 2: Some respect on a name.
Speaker 1: But Maria to me, Maria is a vice superintendent of
Speaker 1: Nework Public Schools, which is the largest school district, yes,
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, and she was just sharing like what
Speaker 1: a hard time they're having recruiting teachers just because it's
Speaker 1: such a crazy time. I know, I left the classroom
Speaker 1: because it was too much. But as if someone is
Speaker 1: listening and it's considering going into education, or they are
Speaker 1: a teacher already, what can they do to be a
Speaker 1: justice secret because like you said, sometimes you have this
Speaker 1: own bias that you bring in with you. Because I'm
Speaker 1: not on line until I grew up in a very
Speaker 1: African household, and then I went to I but in school,
Speaker 1: my school, I lived in WESTVI largely, which was very white,
Speaker 1: and so it was like African at home, White at school,
Speaker 1: and so I had not although I am black, I
Speaker 1: had not had a lot of access to Black American
Speaker 1: you know, like, of course it's not a monolith, but
Speaker 1: the experience, you know, not fully and completely, because like
Speaker 1: at home, I just didn't get that, you know. So
Speaker 1: when I got to teach in Newark, you know, of
Speaker 1: course New York, like I said, does not represent all
Speaker 1: black the whole African American experience. But one of the
Speaker 1: things I brought with me was if you just work
Speaker 1: hard enough, the bootstraps you.
Speaker 2: Know, like the same as you. And I was like, bootstraps, like,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And then I came to teach in this preschool where
Speaker 1: the babies were so smart. Our kids are so dad
Speaker 1: all smart, but they were also coming to say, like
Speaker 1: I remember went to the park once and one of
Speaker 1: the little boys got poked by a needle that was
Speaker 1: left behind. I was like what, and I just remember,
Speaker 1: like so my classroom was at the bottom of a
Speaker 1: of a senior building, but also SSI Social Security, so
Speaker 1: a lot of people that had mental issues, but also
Speaker 1: there was a lot of drug.
Speaker 2: Dealing in the building.
Speaker 1: And I distinctly remember having to decide because we had
Speaker 1: a closet on the third floor for the kids, like
Speaker 1: you know, like paper and scissors, any excess materials. So
Speaker 1: every time I had to go to the closet, I
Speaker 1: had to decide, do I want to take this elevator
Speaker 1: and maybe get stuck in the small elevator with someone
Speaker 1: who is not in their right mind, or do I
Speaker 1: take the stairs where you don't know what you're gonna see.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have seen in action prostitution happening. Once
Speaker 1: I ran up the stairs and I smelled the sickly
Speaker 1: sweet smell and when I looked, someone was literally smoking.
Speaker 2: Crack yeah, And I said, wait, how is.
Speaker 1: The baby supposed to come to school talking about ABC's one,
Speaker 1: two three, Like I said, this is obviously I know
Speaker 1: this is not the I don't want to misconstrued thinking
Speaker 1: that this is the African American experience across the board.
Speaker 1: But I had never experienced that, is that this is
Speaker 1: what my good kids could be experiencing. Because I was
Speaker 1: twenty two twenty three and I was blown away, and
Speaker 1: I threw that maybe throw out the whole bootstraps. Girl,
Speaker 1: I'm barely making it.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was hurting my spirit. How is a four year
Speaker 2: old supposed to learn?
Speaker 1: So the question is if someone is if someone wants
Speaker 1: to be a justice seeker, how does someone kind of
Speaker 1: get past the bias that they might bring into the
Speaker 1: classroom that's harmful for kids.
Speaker 3: Well, first and foremost, let me say this your experience
Speaker 3: that you're talking about, there are hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 3: other educators across the United States experience the same thing.
Speaker 3: I used to call it the robin Hood mentality that
Speaker 3: I had. I had made up in my mind that
Speaker 3: in some years I wanted to go and work in
Speaker 3: what they call urban districts, you know, the districts that
Speaker 3: are mostly bron and black, some indigenous students, low social
Speaker 3: economic status. And in other years I would push myself
Speaker 3: to go work in the suburbs because I wanted to see, like, okay,
Speaker 3: the kids in the suburbs, the teachers in the suburbs.
Speaker 3: It sounded like the land of good and plenty. But
Speaker 3: what I began to understand, and I talk about this
Speaker 3: and justice seekers is that the teachers in the suburbs
Speaker 3: were justice ill prepared as the teachers in the in
Speaker 3: the urban city schools that I taught in, and that
Speaker 3: it wasn't. Yes, we're materials of plenty. Yes were experiences
Speaker 3: of plenty in those suburbs. Yes, but teachers on average
Speaker 3: did not get supported. And so the first thing I
Speaker 3: tell people about becoming a justice seeker is one, come
Speaker 3: and join us, right, Come and join our community. I
Speaker 3: call it the edgy Sphere. You don't have to walk
Speaker 3: this road alone. There are the hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 3: us across the United States. We have our national conveniens
Speaker 3: we invite people to but we also have online opportunities.
Speaker 3: We have a platform called the Ecosystem where you could
Speaker 3: go on and join a community. You teach third grade
Speaker 3: and you want to know you want to hook up
Speaker 3: what other third grade teachers from across the United States.
Speaker 3: Our Ecosystem offers that. And I would say this, find
Speaker 3: your edgu sphere locally, right, make sure that you are
Speaker 3: building the community within your building and across schools and
Speaker 3: other education. We got Facebook, we got Instagram. Start a
Speaker 3: collective educator page where you all are coming together locally
Speaker 3: to support in one another. Here's the other thing, the
Speaker 3: professional development. That's one of the biggest issues I believe
Speaker 3: in our profession. Tiffany, if you went to a doctor
Speaker 3: and you had a cold, and you told the doctor
Speaker 3: that your you had a cold and your throat was sore,
Speaker 3: and the doctor pick said, let me see your foot,
Speaker 3: and you say, well, wait a minute now, I said, this,
Speaker 3: my throat was sore. What're you looking at my foot for?
Speaker 3: And the doctor said, you know, I ain't ain't. I
Speaker 3: ain't really get a chance to study grades anatomy. I
Speaker 3: got to the foot and you know, and I ain't
Speaker 3: really had it. You would take your paper gown and
Speaker 3: gatting your things, man, and walk up out that office.
Speaker 3: When you look at educators, I believe our profession is
Speaker 3: not looked upon the same as other professions. We don't
Speaker 3: receive the same kind of professional development that is ongoing,
Speaker 3: consistent and comprehensive, that is up to to date around
Speaker 3: research and development, that looks at the landscape of global
Speaker 3: majority learners and gets us to ask the question, how
Speaker 3: do I teach students and allow them to come to
Speaker 3: school as their whole selves? How do I teach my
Speaker 3: students academic English while honoring their home language at the
Speaker 3: same time. And so I tell educators all the time,
Speaker 3: you got to find a network where you are professionally
Speaker 3: developing yourself. You got to ask the system what's the
Speaker 3: professional developer you're providing me on teaching and needing? How
Speaker 3: do I become a better math teacher? So those are
Speaker 3: the pieces that I really try to push for folks.
Speaker 3: Join us as a community, find your community local, look
Speaker 3: at the professional development that you're being doused with. And
Speaker 3: for God's sake, this is the last piece. You got
Speaker 3: to do a self examination. You got to ask yourself,
Speaker 3: why am I standing in the middle classroom? What is
Speaker 3: it that I What is it that I as a profession?
Speaker 3: What am I looking for? What am I seeking? And
Speaker 3: what is it that I can offer my students standing
Speaker 3: before me? I think when a lot of people ask
Speaker 3: themselves that question, did you become a teacher because you
Speaker 3: couldn't think anything else to do? Because and if that's
Speaker 3: the case, honey, you need to go on indeed, okay,
Speaker 3: because this profession is worthy of those who deem it
Speaker 3: as essential as their passion, as something that they want
Speaker 3: to grow in, just like being a doctor. A loyal
Speaker 3: a candlestick maker, or a baker.
Speaker 1: No, but it's not true though, Like it's not I
Speaker 1: used to always tell like my when I first started teaching,
Speaker 1: you know, I had some coworkers that didn't really share
Speaker 1: my enthusiasm for teaching. And I used to say, you know,
Speaker 1: if we were packing boxes, girl, I wouldn't care. You
Speaker 1: could do whatever. You could cheat on the job, you could.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you're cutting out early. We could do
Speaker 1: all that time were back in boxes, girl, I said,
Speaker 1: but these are kids. Yeah, this is the same kid
Speaker 1: that's going to either take your purse or stitch you
Speaker 1: up in the hospital. How you want it to go,
Speaker 1: you know, like these are kids, and so you don't
Speaker 1: get to say, you know, I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: don't want to know, Like sorry, this is not the
Speaker 1: kind of profession.
Speaker 2: There's no space for that here.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, there are greatest commodity. Don't
Speaker 3: you ever think about that as a nation, our greatest commodity,
Speaker 3: it's our youth, it's the future. None of this AI
Speaker 3: or infrastructure or flying the Mars is ever going to
Speaker 3: continue unless we properly educate the entire masses. There are
Speaker 3: few I believe that.
Speaker 2: Let the send me out to my mom and showed us,
Speaker 2: say what song is that? Show them google it? It
Speaker 2: shows in out the future late great Whitney.
Speaker 1: Okay that song like give us a sin. I feel
Speaker 1: like every like graduation or whatever during that time, like
Speaker 1: we all saying that song.
Speaker 3: And the children, the children have to learn the song.
Speaker 2: To hold that thought. Lacey, we have to pay some bills.
Speaker 1: We are going to throw to break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back black and brown and we're back in black
Speaker 1: in the stew with Lacey Robinson. If I am reading
Speaker 1: your book, Justice Seekers, what do you hope that maybe
Speaker 1: an educator or non educator, what do you hope that
Speaker 1: people take away?
Speaker 2: Like, what do you hope what changes?
Speaker 3: What hope?
Speaker 1: I guess mentally you hope they take away and emotionally,
Speaker 1: but also what changes you hope you know that they
Speaker 1: enact in their lives as a result of reading it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I say Justice Secers is my love letter
Speaker 3: to educators, you know, and I really truly mean that, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, you get a love letter and the person
Speaker 3: is expousing how much they care about you, but they're
Speaker 3: also telling you, like what they're concerned about you know,
Speaker 3: and what they appreciate, but ate about you, appreciate about
Speaker 3: you and what they want to see in the future,
Speaker 3: you know. And that's what this is. It's my love
Speaker 3: letter to the edgey sphere. It's my love letter to
Speaker 3: the students, and most importantly, I'm gonna say it's my
Speaker 3: love letter to this nation. Because here's the thing. I
Speaker 3: what I wrote and decided to include my own personal
Speaker 3: stories in the book, and this is something I do
Speaker 3: in my keynotes. You know, I'm the first step out
Speaker 3: to be like, hey, guess what I made the mistake?
Speaker 3: If I as an African American woman who grew up
Speaker 3: in a single mother household with some powerful figures right
Speaker 3: with some powerful people behind me telling me you can
Speaker 3: do it. You know, you are your You are your
Speaker 3: your best cheerleader. You know it doesn't matter what they
Speaker 3: think about you, keep going. If I had all of that,
Speaker 3: and just like you, attended predominantly white schools and still
Speaker 3: got the message I wasn't good enough and still got
Speaker 3: the message I wasn't included and very rarely had the
Speaker 3: opportunity to read, see, or hear from people that look
Speaker 3: like me, let alone the history that my people have
Speaker 3: been a part of in this country. And there I
Speaker 3: say the main character in this country is out of
Speaker 3: all of that. After finishing my K twelve experience, I
Speaker 3: still grapple with who I was. And it wasn't until
Speaker 3: I attended an HBCU that it got hammered home. How brilliant,
Speaker 3: how brightened. Yes you might struggle on math, Lacy, but
Speaker 3: guess what, we can get you to proficient. We can
Speaker 3: get you to proficient because we believe in you. And
Speaker 3: so I use those stories of what I thought I
Speaker 3: knew when I knew better. I used the stories of
Speaker 3: the observations that I've had the privilege of having with
Speaker 3: teachers and leaders and students, those moments. You know, there's
Speaker 3: a little girl I talk about in the book. I
Speaker 3: was doing a walk through the New Orleans and I
Speaker 3: think about this and it brings tears to my eyes.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, I was in a fifth
Speaker 3: grade math class. A little black girl braided long hair, beautiful,
Speaker 3: all coco, buttered up. You know, you can tell somebody
Speaker 3: to take care of putting presses down her edges and
Speaker 3: had all the bulls in her hair. And they were
Speaker 3: in a math class just doing this, wrote three plus
Speaker 3: three is six fifth grade now, and I'm walking through
Speaker 3: the classroom and she grabs my arm and pulls me
Speaker 3: down and says, will you be her teacher? Please? Please?
Speaker 3: Will you be our teacher? And it's in those moments
Speaker 3: as an educator that I was just whipped apart because
Speaker 3: I knew what she was asking me.
Speaker 2: Do you see me?
Speaker 3: Do you hear me? Could you come and care enough
Speaker 3: about me and what I'm learning? And that's not a
Speaker 3: dig on the teacher that was in in front of
Speaker 3: the student who wasn't prepared. I'm gonna say that even
Speaker 3: the principle ad made it, the teacher wasn't prepared, not
Speaker 3: to teacher's fault, but the system's fault. And so it's
Speaker 3: those moments I talk about in the book. I have
Speaker 3: a real truth and telling moment in US as a
Speaker 3: nation in the role that African Americans, Indigenous LATINX, and
Speaker 3: other people of color have played in the role of education,
Speaker 3: the misguidedness. And so I invite people to not just
Speaker 3: read the stories, but to answer the questions in the
Speaker 3: text about themselves and their systems and their schools.
Speaker 1: So you probably have heard the statistic by twenty forty four,
Speaker 1: that we will be for the first time in this
Speaker 1: country's history majority minority country.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so what does that spell for education?
Speaker 1: If the minority majority of people will no longer be white,
Speaker 1: that it will be black, brown, and indigenous. Like, what
Speaker 1: does that look like in the education system? How much
Speaker 1: more important is it to have black, brown, and indigenous teachers?
Speaker 1: Knowing that you know that we will be overly represented
Speaker 1: in the general population.
Speaker 3: It looks like the warning signs that are going off now,
Speaker 3: the warning signs we are literally out of lace. You know.
Speaker 3: You know when your fire alarm goes off and you
Speaker 3: overcooked your food, and it's like it's that is actually
Speaker 3: happening in education right now. And people want to blame
Speaker 3: it on COVID, But I got news for you. We
Speaker 3: were already in an educational pandemic before the health pandemic
Speaker 3: even happened.
Speaker 2: We were all.
Speaker 3: Ready starting to see the signs that we as a
Speaker 3: nation weren't paying close enough to the development of educators,
Speaker 3: that we as a nation weren't paying close enough to
Speaker 3: the pay You know this, and you talk about this
Speaker 3: as an educator and the amount of sacrifice that is
Speaker 3: expected of you, even though you gotta pay bills, meet
Speaker 3: your mortgage, feed your kids, support your family like everybody
Speaker 3: else we as a nation. The warning signs have been
Speaker 3: going off since before Brown and Board of Education that
Speaker 3: in order to educate us all, in order for this
Speaker 3: to be these United States, where the pursuit of happiness
Speaker 3: is part of our creed, you have to educate your masses.
Speaker 3: Horaseman said that when he proposed public school, and so
Speaker 3: the warning signs are going off. One all students are struggling,
Speaker 3: but pride to all students are struggling. Broad and Black
Speaker 3: students pervasively have been underserved in these United States. I've
Speaker 3: doubled dog. There's somebody to go to their local system
Speaker 3: and ask for the data and not see the trend
Speaker 3: of broad and Black students versus their white peers. Second
Speaker 3: of all, our GDP, wayman, now, speaking your language, GDP
Speaker 3: is at risk because if you don't educate the masses,
Speaker 3: if they can't read, if they can't write, wayman, now,
Speaker 3: I'm really about to touch you on. I believe this
Speaker 3: is the world of or in the Lates. The reason
Speaker 3: why your work is so essential is because you're counteracting
Speaker 3: the first misstep that happens, and you already know what
Speaker 3: I'm about to say. People have a phobia about math.
Speaker 3: They have a phobia about numbers. Brown and black people,
Speaker 3: nine times out of ten aren't shown the representation, the
Speaker 3: gifts and talents. Aren't told that you have the innate
Speaker 3: ability to be a mathematician a financial analysis. And so
Speaker 3: what ends up happened? You become scared of numbers, let
Speaker 3: alone budgets.
Speaker 2: We're talking about just numbers.
Speaker 3: And I dream of a day where your work gets
Speaker 3: magnified because we have educated the masses of brown and
Speaker 3: black children to understand that they have mathematical ability. They
Speaker 3: understand the concepts and the foundational skills, and they can
Speaker 3: be applied to budgets, engineering, food service, anything. So that
Speaker 3: is our warning side. Now the cohort of teachers that
Speaker 3: are needed, and I talk about this in the book.
Speaker 3: First of all, brown and black teachers aren't needed to
Speaker 3: keep Jerome and Anna in place, that's how they've been
Speaker 3: used in the past. They are needed because all students
Speaker 3: need to see representation. All students need to understand that
Speaker 3: people who are not from where you're from can't be discounted,
Speaker 3: have to be included. And if we are to continue
Speaker 3: to be these United States. We have to start to
Speaker 3: educate our youth around that. So I'm gonna say it's
Speaker 3: about the teaching force. You think the team. You think
Speaker 3: we would be in such a dire need for teachers
Speaker 3: if they were paid the way that they should be paid.
Speaker 1: I think in part yes, I mean I think also
Speaker 1: like a lot of teachers teach because the obviously for
Speaker 1: the love, not for the money. But also too, I
Speaker 1: think it's not just the money. For me, it was
Speaker 1: also just the lack of support. So I think in
Speaker 1: some part that yes, you would maybe have more teachers apply.
Speaker 1: But like for example, I look at I hear Maria
Speaker 1: talking NERD pays well, okay, they pay very well, and
Speaker 1: yet they're still struggling to attract teachers. So I don't
Speaker 1: think it's just the money. I think it's also like,
Speaker 1: is there a system in place to support these teachers
Speaker 1: once they.
Speaker 2: Have the job?
Speaker 3: It's the money, it's the system. Now let's look at this,
Speaker 3: it's the legacies of community. So think about this. You
Speaker 3: want to increase brown, Black, Indigenous communities and education, you
Speaker 3: can ignore their financial histories that they've had. So even
Speaker 3: though and I'm not saying nork doesn't pay well, because
Speaker 3: I've seen their pay skill. It pays well. But I
Speaker 3: want you to think about you're somebody that's being moved
Speaker 3: into a payscale who's financial legacy has never had a
Speaker 3: leg up. Right, So let's say you took out student loans.
Speaker 3: Your mom and your daddy, your grandmother and your auntie,
Speaker 3: they couldn't help you get through school. You got the
Speaker 3: student loans. You already know what I'm going to say.
Speaker 3: You're already behind you probably credit cards your way through school,
Speaker 3: and where you are now. You're in newer public schools
Speaker 3: making the salary, but it's not quite cutting it yet.
Speaker 3: And what ends up happening You have to go work
Speaker 3: a second job, right, to not just pay your bills,
Speaker 3: but to try to catch up from all of the
Speaker 3: financial legacy that you had missing. So it is, it's
Speaker 3: the salary, it's the professional development, it's getting providing opportunities
Speaker 3: for educators to get a leg up. You want to
Speaker 3: talk about removing student loan, maybe we should start with
Speaker 3: the education for us first and really mean it, and
Speaker 3: really mean it. There needs to be more education around
Speaker 3: folks like you coming into our school systems and saying
Speaker 3: to brown and black cohorts of educators. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: how we can build your budget. Let's talk about how
Speaker 3: we can start financial legacies so that you could get
Speaker 3: down into the passion of teaching. There is a revolution
Speaker 3: that needs to happen in the teacher profession. If you
Speaker 3: want the brown and Black communities to play a role
Speaker 3: in it, don't ignore their financial legacies that have been absent.
Speaker 3: I think if we start to answer those questions, the
Speaker 3: professional development paying them well, acknowledge how we can support
Speaker 3: them in building healthy financial legacies for themselves, then that
Speaker 3: takes the burden off of getting into the passion of teaching.
Speaker 1: Because honestly, when I think about when I was teaching,
Speaker 1: I mean I was making decent money for the time
Speaker 1: at preach Scarl was making thirty nine thousand, but then
Speaker 1: I still toutored on the side because he.
Speaker 2: Needed the extra money.
Speaker 1: You know, I still babysat on the side, and it
Speaker 1: made me an extra like five or six thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a year, you know, to try to close some gaps.
Speaker 1: So no, absolutely, and I love that you're right that
Speaker 1: I think folks don't understand. I mean, well, the folks listening,
Speaker 1: you know, y'all brown ambition. But folks who are not
Speaker 1: a part of this community do not understand that my
Speaker 1: hundred thousand that I make it's not the same as
Speaker 1: someone who's white and one hundred thousand that they make,
Speaker 1: because I'm that one hundred thousand for them, Like Tash says,
Speaker 1: the first girl to go she's the first to go
Speaker 1: to college, so she's the one hundred thousands for her,
Speaker 1: for granny, for cousin, for mom or dad. It's like
Speaker 1: that money. And then on top of them, you took
Speaker 1: out student loans because other people did not have to
Speaker 1: do so, and so on top of that, you're trying
Speaker 1: to like you don't literally get to start at zero
Speaker 1: and build. You know, we're literally starting at negative one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, negative two hundred thousand, and so it's not
Speaker 1: the same. That money is not created equally.
Speaker 3: So no, absolutely, And Tiffany, imagine this. If you didn't
Speaker 3: have to tutor, if you didn't have to babysit, could
Speaker 3: you have imagined using your time in bettering your your
Speaker 3: self and your profession, maybe taking a class, reading a book,
Speaker 3: joining a group. You know, when you think about that
Speaker 3: and the impact that it has on communities that we're inviting,
Speaker 3: that we want to be a part of this educational landscape.
Speaker 3: You got to take all that into consideration.
Speaker 1: I love that because it's not because what I'm learning
Speaker 1: more and more about my community is that it's not
Speaker 1: just throwing money at the answer, you know exactly.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I've been lately been on my
Speaker 2: soapbox trying to.
Speaker 1: Strong arm these organizations to say, like, yo, I've been
Speaker 1: teaching financial education for the last fifteen years. I've not
Speaker 1: built an online schools that teaches financial education. I have
Speaker 1: subsidized so many over one hundred thousand students have joined
Speaker 1: my online school, the Literature Academy, and we keep the
Speaker 1: cost as low as possible. I have been subsidizing, you know,
Speaker 1: so much of that. Just even just this year, we
Speaker 1: had a financial education challenge that was totally free and
Speaker 1: we educated two hundred and eighty thousand people. But why
Speaker 1: I always got to come out of pocket?
Speaker 2: Where are you big bangs?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Do you want me to tap dance for you on
Speaker 1: your to be a spokesperson? Why I always got to
Speaker 1: come out of pocket? You know, Like, and I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, I'm holding them to task. You
Speaker 1: come see me, No, tell me how you are going
Speaker 1: to subsidize black and brown people getting free financial education.
Speaker 2: I got to school. It works.
Speaker 1: It's seven years old. We've already we've already educated one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people. Subsidize that, you know, Like I would
Speaker 1: love to be able to say to your point lazy, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we have all these educators that unbounded, why
Speaker 1: not fund them to have free access for one year
Speaker 1: to the literature Academy?
Speaker 2: Why why do I always have to pay for that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And so you just be surprised because these companies have
Speaker 1: I mean I have gotten contracts that are multiple six
Speaker 1: and seven figures to do not multiple seven from my
Speaker 1: lips of God's ears, one day figure contracts to you know,
Speaker 1: to do next to nothing as the budgetista, you know,
Speaker 1: like a little live here on a stage there. And
Speaker 1: that's cute, and I'm grateful for it, you know, and
Speaker 1: I brought back into the community and the company. But
Speaker 1: I would honestly would really love instead to say, hey,
Speaker 1: how much can five hundred thousand? How many students can
Speaker 1: we can we educate for five hundred thousand? How many
Speaker 1: students mean for a million. You know, I mean not
Speaker 1: students like kids. I'm talking about these grown people who
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, if I didn't have to worry about
Speaker 1: my personal finances, then I could be present here for
Speaker 1: these babies.
Speaker 3: So yes, I mean think about the revolution. Were about
Speaker 3: to start hunting, were about to start a revolution, because
Speaker 3: think about the revolution that you we can have if
Speaker 3: your financial university became a part of the scope and
Speaker 3: sequence for undergraduates that are going into education. You know
Speaker 3: what if the alternative program said, come and join us,
Speaker 3: will not only teach you how to be a teacher,
Speaker 3: but we'll also get you into the financial university so
Speaker 3: you can learn more about budgeting. This is my question
Speaker 3: to you. And this ain't no dig and don't send
Speaker 3: me no emails and snaps or whatever. Y'all stand out, well,
Speaker 3: riddle me this. We prepare professional athletes better than we
Speaker 3: prepare professional educators for their budgets and beyond, and I
Speaker 3: ain't talking about you know, some people would be like, well,
Speaker 3: there's there's some places that offer you could buy a house,
Speaker 3: and honey, if you see some of them houses, they'd
Speaker 3: be offered educated. First of all, you and your husband
Speaker 3: or your spouseborn have to be buying the building in
Speaker 3: order to even move into it. I'm talking about beyond that.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about educating them so that they understand that
Speaker 3: I can be a teacher. I can be an educator
Speaker 3: and I don't have the babysit and tutor. I can
Speaker 3: figure out how to create a budget, how to save,
Speaker 3: how to have vacation money, how to you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? What about your taxes?
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 3: I used to say, it's as educated. I wish somebody
Speaker 3: would come and teach me how to ride off all
Speaker 3: these materials I ended up buying.
Speaker 2: As a teacher.
Speaker 1: Okay, you at the local Walmart buying fifteen judices.
Speaker 2: One lady was like, how many kids do you have?
Speaker 1: When I used to be a teacher, Like literally used
Speaker 1: to set aside money from my paycheck for my baby. Yes,
Speaker 1: because you can't as a teacher. It's literally impossible as
Speaker 1: a teacher not to invest some of your own money
Speaker 1: because there is a gap. So, no, you're right, And honestly,
Speaker 1: that's the soap op option that I'm on now. I
Speaker 1: am holding brands and things that reach out to me
Speaker 1: to task to say all that's good on what you
Speaker 1: want me to do you want me to dance for
Speaker 1: a dollar, then do this for me, you know, not
Speaker 1: even for me, do this for this community. That my
Speaker 1: father would always say every time we graduated, like from
Speaker 1: high school or college or advanced degree, he would give
Speaker 1: the same speech to me and my four sisters. He
Speaker 1: would always say, you are now at a different level
Speaker 1: of life because of this education that you've now acquired.
Speaker 1: And the beautiful thing about knowledge is knowledge, once given,
Speaker 1: can never be rescinded. They can't take this back from
Speaker 1: your baby. And so that's the thing I am here
Speaker 1: as a result of my father. He's in his eighties now,
Speaker 1: but as a he has his master's and economics and
Speaker 1: his bachelor's in finance, and so he poured that financial
Speaker 1: education to my sisters and I. So it allowed me
Speaker 1: to choose what I wanted to do based upon what
Speaker 1: I love to do. You know, because I was able
Speaker 1: to budget, I was able to learn how to save
Speaker 1: and start investing in all those things, even now start
Speaker 1: with starting the budget, Nissa. I was able to do
Speaker 1: those things because I knew how to live well below
Speaker 1: my means, so I would have space to do this
Speaker 1: thing that I'm doing now. And I always wonder, like,
Speaker 1: you know, how could that be different for other people?
Speaker 1: So I am on my soapbox crusade to get every
Speaker 1: black and brown person access to financial education, but meaningful
Speaker 1: culturally relevant because people are like, well, they could just
Speaker 1: google meaningful culturally relevant financial.
Speaker 2: Education because some of the stuff out here. Even I'm like,
Speaker 2: what are you saying now that is a big sense?
Speaker 1: Or you tell me, you know, you're telling me like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're talking about pull myself up by my shoe strings?
Speaker 2: Oh you one of those? Now I'm good.
Speaker 1: No, meaningful culturally relevant financial education that makes sense for
Speaker 1: who I am and how I show up in this world.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, yeah, that's so we can talk late.
Speaker 1: So like what do I got to do? Because I'm
Speaker 1: I've already been partnered. There's a I guess I'll announce later,
Speaker 1: but there's a nonprofit that there's already agreed, a huge
Speaker 1: one that everybody knows their name, kind.
Speaker 2: Of like work with us behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: So basically kind of white label online school because oftentimes,
Speaker 1: which is so crazy, a brand or a bank or
Speaker 1: a funder or whatever will be like, hey, nonprofit, we
Speaker 1: want to give you a bazillion dollars to do this
Speaker 1: financial education thing. And they're like, well, why don't you
Speaker 1: go girl, that's a black owned financial education company that's
Speaker 1: been existing.
Speaker 2: But the menu you white label.
Speaker 1: It's oh child, here's all the well.
Speaker 2: We got to do all that. So I said, all right, cute,
Speaker 2: that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, a white label what we've already created and
Speaker 1: already vetted. I mean, I had these women from Stanford
Speaker 1: come and do and wanted to make sure all my
Speaker 1: research and everything that I believe was true was true.
Speaker 2: We made some changes based upon what they said. We've
Speaker 2: retaped everything. It's just like.
Speaker 1: It's frustrating because when I show up in all my
Speaker 1: black and brownness and womanness, you know, there's doubt about
Speaker 1: what I'm capable of. But to slap you know, like
Speaker 1: some you know, old ancient like you know, on it,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: There's valuable.
Speaker 1: And if that's the game I have to play to
Speaker 1: get financial education to black and brown people for free,
Speaker 1: then so be it.
Speaker 2: And so that right.
Speaker 3: Now you singing my song, honey, we could start acquired.
Speaker 3: Because I feel like I say this to people all
Speaker 3: the time. Okay, I went to Columbia University Teachers College, right.
Speaker 3: I didn't go to Harvard, I didn't go to Yale,
Speaker 3: you know. And I have this sheer audacity as a student,
Speaker 3: as an educator, as a leader in education, to stand
Speaker 3: on my platforms and to announce, you know, our equitable
Speaker 3: charges to talk about. We have a framework that's called
Speaker 3: GLEAN is a grade level, engaging, affirming, meaningful instruction for
Speaker 3: all students, you know, And you are absolutely right. I
Speaker 3: had to authorize myself, right, which is what we often
Speaker 3: have to do as people of color, particularly as women
Speaker 3: of color. And once I authorized myself, the edgy sphere
Speaker 3: got up behind me and authorized to me as well.
Speaker 3: And I see, and I know that to be true
Speaker 3: about you and what you're doing. But you are absolutely right,
Speaker 3: we are. There has to be some sort of white
Speaker 3: label or stamp to say like, okay, this person is
Speaker 3: and not just from sheer. I mean, when you think
Speaker 3: about your story, the sheer experience alone authorizes you to
Speaker 3: get up in front of the masses and speak. And
Speaker 3: that should be enough because guess what, it's enough for
Speaker 3: some other people.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know that fight continues. That fight can
Speaker 2: tell you, so go ahead, Sorry, Sorry, I was gonna
Speaker 2: say we're gonna run.
Speaker 3: I believe we're gonna run on and see what the
Speaker 3: end gonna be.
Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't lost yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, So where can if the people want to buy
Speaker 1: Justice Seasons write your book pursuing equity and the details
Speaker 1: of teaching and learning.
Speaker 2: Where can the people get your book?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Amazon, Target, Barns and Nobles, any of
Speaker 3: your online bookstore. I've just literally received a message today
Speaker 3: that people in Australia are starting to buy the book
Speaker 3: and so and also bookstores, you know bookstores when the
Speaker 3: when the book demands come, they will start to fill
Speaker 3: up the shelves in the actual retail stores. But we've
Speaker 3: received just a huge, huge amount of support. It came
Speaker 3: out as number one of new releases in its category
Speaker 3: in Amazon, and so the edgisphere is showing up and
Speaker 3: showing out and spreading the words. So yes, I would say,
Speaker 3: also code to Unbounded dot org. If you go to
Speaker 3: our landing page, it'll not only tell you where to
Speaker 3: purchase the book, but it'll tell you how to sit
Speaker 3: shoulder to shoulder with us and the work.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love it. And where can they connect
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know how much you
Speaker 1: want to be on your business and on social we
Speaker 1: can be I don't know, right if they want to
Speaker 1: follow you and connect because I always see on somebody stage,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yes, yes, I gotta say she go
Speaker 1: on stage every day. If the people want to follow
Speaker 1: an amazing black woman doing her space, where do you
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with them following you on social media?
Speaker 3: So they can find us on Instagram at unbounded dot
Speaker 3: org or miss ms Lacy Robinson. They can find me
Speaker 3: on Facebook same thing unbounded dot org or miss Lacy
Speaker 3: Robinson with MS Yeah, shoot me a DM. I can't
Speaker 3: promise I'm be on the hands at all the time,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not, as I got you. People support
Speaker 3: me like the way tivity do. But uh, but I
Speaker 3: could try to get to the messages.
Speaker 1: Yes, so again, give you a copy. We're gonna put
Speaker 1: a link hopefully in that show description. I'll get the money.
Speaker 1: Are our amazing, beautiful brown producer to put the link
Speaker 1: for Justice Seekers in our show notes justice Seekers by
Speaker 1: Lacy Robinson? Yeah, I just I love that there are
Speaker 1: people like you continuing the work in the education space
Speaker 1: where so many of us were like, tap out, tap out.
Speaker 2: You can't all tap out.
Speaker 1: Some of us gotta tap in, and so I'm so
Speaker 1: glather you're there. Thank you so much for coming, lady.
Speaker 1: You're really amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you so much for having me
Speaker 3: to me. You are such an angel. I want you
Speaker 3: to understand that you really are. Your words of wisdom
Speaker 3: carry us through. So I just really appreciate everything that
Speaker 3: you do for us. And you still are teacher girl
Speaker 3: in a different class.
Speaker 2: Yes, low key act.
Speaker 3: A y'all.
Speaker 2: Hope you're enjoying it.
Speaker 1: Share this with your favorite teacher educator because you know
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get some questions answered and until next week.
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