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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, We're.

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Speaker 1: Brown, ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, we're extra black brown

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Speaker 1: today and stew we have a guest today. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Robinson. Let me read you a little taste about

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Speaker 1: miss Lacy. First of all, she is an educator like myself,

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Speaker 1: so you already now it's on like donkey Kong. Lacey

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Speaker 1: is the president and CEO of Unbounded, which is an

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Speaker 1: and immersive professional learning for teachers and leader seeking equity.

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Speaker 1: She has over twenty years of experience and education and

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Speaker 1: focuses on helping educators in school systems disrupt systemic racism

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and she's the author of a new book. See

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Speaker 1: if y'all watch me on YouTube, like I'll be telling

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Speaker 1: y'all you can see the book. It's beautiful yellow. It

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Speaker 1: is called Justice Seekers Pursuing Equity in the Details of

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Speaker 1: Teaching and Learning. Yes, we both got our books out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know you know black goes so good with yellow,

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Speaker 1: So welcome to the podcast Lazy than You so excited.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of how I met Lacey. She just somebody's dope.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell all your business, girl, but just

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it was awesome. We just, like you know, some

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Speaker 2: This is about BFF now.

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Speaker 1: And so when I saw that she had a book

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Speaker 2: Hello, let's promote this book.

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Speaker 1: You know, but honestly, so much your story is so

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Speaker 2: Let the send me out to my mom and showed us,

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Speaker 3: And the children, the children have to learn the song.

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Speaker 2: To hold that thought. Lacey, we have to pay some bills.

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Speaker 1: your book, Justice Seekers, what do you hope that maybe

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Speaker 1: I guess mentally you hope they take away and emotionally,

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Speaker 1: but also what changes you hope you know that they

437
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Speaker 1: enact in their lives as a result of reading it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I say Justice Secers is my love letter

439
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 3: to educators, you know, and I really truly mean that, Like,

440
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 3: you know, you get a love letter and the person

441
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: is expousing how much they care about you, but they're

442
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: also telling you, like what they're concerned about you know,

443
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 3: and what they appreciate, but ate about you, appreciate about

444
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: you and what they want to see in the future,

445
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: you know. And that's what this is. It's my love

446
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 3: letter to the edgey sphere. It's my love letter to

447
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: the students, and most importantly, I'm gonna say it's my

448
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: love letter to this nation. Because here's the thing. I

449
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: what I wrote and decided to include my own personal

450
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Speaker 3: stories in the book, and this is something I do

451
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: in my keynotes. You know, I'm the first step out

452
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: to be like, hey, guess what I made the mistake?

453
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Speaker 3: If I as an African American woman who grew up

454
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Speaker 3: in a single mother household with some powerful figures right

455
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 3: with some powerful people behind me telling me you can

456
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Speaker 3: do it. You know, you are your You are your

457
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Speaker 3: your best cheerleader. You know it doesn't matter what they

458
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: think about you, keep going. If I had all of that,

459
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: and just like you, attended predominantly white schools and still

460
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 3: got the message I wasn't good enough and still got

461
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 3: the message I wasn't included and very rarely had the

462
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Speaker 3: opportunity to read, see, or hear from people that look

463
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Speaker 3: like me, let alone the history that my people have

464
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 3: been a part of in this country. And there I

465
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: say the main character in this country is out of

466
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Speaker 3: all of that. After finishing my K twelve experience, I

467
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 3: still grapple with who I was. And it wasn't until

468
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 3: I attended an HBCU that it got hammered home. How brilliant,

469
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Speaker 3: how brightened. Yes you might struggle on math, Lacy, but

470
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Speaker 3: guess what, we can get you to proficient. We can

471
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Speaker 3: get you to proficient because we believe in you. And

472
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Speaker 3: so I use those stories of what I thought I

473
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Speaker 3: knew when I knew better. I used the stories of

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Speaker 3: the observations that I've had the privilege of having with

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Speaker 3: teachers and leaders and students, those moments. You know, there's

476
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Speaker 3: a little girl I talk about in the book. I

477
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: was doing a walk through the New Orleans and I

478
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Speaker 3: think about this and it brings tears to my eyes.

479
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, I was in a fifth

480
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Speaker 3: grade math class. A little black girl braided long hair, beautiful,

481
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 3: all coco, buttered up. You know, you can tell somebody

482
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: to take care of putting presses down her edges and

483
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: had all the bulls in her hair. And they were

484
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Speaker 3: in a math class just doing this, wrote three plus

485
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: three is six fifth grade now, and I'm walking through

486
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Speaker 3: the classroom and she grabs my arm and pulls me

487
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Speaker 3: down and says, will you be her teacher? Please? Please?

488
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: Will you be our teacher? And it's in those moments

489
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: as an educator that I was just whipped apart because

490
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Speaker 3: I knew what she was asking me.

491
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Speaker 2: Do you see me?

492
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Speaker 3: Do you hear me? Could you come and care enough

493
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Speaker 3: about me and what I'm learning? And that's not a

494
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Speaker 3: dig on the teacher that was in in front of

495
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 3: the student who wasn't prepared. I'm gonna say that even

496
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: the principle ad made it, the teacher wasn't prepared, not

497
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: to teacher's fault, but the system's fault. And so it's

498
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Speaker 3: those moments I talk about in the book. I have

499
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Speaker 3: a real truth and telling moment in US as a

500
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Speaker 3: nation in the role that African Americans, Indigenous LATINX, and

501
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: other people of color have played in the role of education,

502
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 3: the misguidedness. And so I invite people to not just

503
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: read the stories, but to answer the questions in the

504
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Speaker 3: text about themselves and their systems and their schools.

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Speaker 1: So you probably have heard the statistic by twenty forty four,

506
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Speaker 1: that we will be for the first time in this

507
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Speaker 1: country's history majority minority country.

508
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Speaker 2: Yes, And so what does that spell for education?

509
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Speaker 1: If the minority majority of people will no longer be white,

510
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Speaker 1: that it will be black, brown, and indigenous. Like, what

511
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: does that look like in the education system? How much

512
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Speaker 1: more important is it to have black, brown, and indigenous teachers?

513
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: Knowing that you know that we will be overly represented

514
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Speaker 1: in the general population.

515
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Speaker 3: It looks like the warning signs that are going off now,

516
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: the warning signs we are literally out of lace. You know.

517
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: You know when your fire alarm goes off and you

518
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: overcooked your food, and it's like it's that is actually

519
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: happening in education right now. And people want to blame

520
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: it on COVID, But I got news for you. We

521
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: were already in an educational pandemic before the health pandemic

522
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: even happened.

523
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: We were all.

524
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Speaker 3: Ready starting to see the signs that we as a

525
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: nation weren't paying close enough to the development of educators,

526
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Speaker 3: that we as a nation weren't paying close enough to

527
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: the pay You know this, and you talk about this

528
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: as an educator and the amount of sacrifice that is

529
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: expected of you, even though you gotta pay bills, meet

530
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: your mortgage, feed your kids, support your family like everybody

531
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: else we as a nation. The warning signs have been

532
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: going off since before Brown and Board of Education that

533
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: in order to educate us all, in order for this

534
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: to be these United States, where the pursuit of happiness

535
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: is part of our creed, you have to educate your masses.

536
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: Horaseman said that when he proposed public school, and so

537
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: the warning signs are going off. One all students are struggling,

538
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: but pride to all students are struggling. Broad and Black

539
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: students pervasively have been underserved in these United States. I've

540
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: doubled dog. There's somebody to go to their local system

541
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: and ask for the data and not see the trend

542
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: of broad and Black students versus their white peers. Second

543
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: of all, our GDP, wayman, now, speaking your language, GDP

544
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: is at risk because if you don't educate the masses,

545
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: if they can't read, if they can't write, wayman, now,

546
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: I'm really about to touch you on. I believe this

547
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: is the world of or in the Lates. The reason

548
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: why your work is so essential is because you're counteracting

549
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: the first misstep that happens, and you already know what

550
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: I'm about to say. People have a phobia about math.

551
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: They have a phobia about numbers. Brown and black people,

552
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: nine times out of ten aren't shown the representation, the

553
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: gifts and talents. Aren't told that you have the innate

554
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: ability to be a mathematician a financial analysis. And so

555
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: what ends up happened? You become scared of numbers, let

556
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: alone budgets.

557
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Speaker 2: We're talking about just numbers.

558
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Speaker 3: And I dream of a day where your work gets

559
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: magnified because we have educated the masses of brown and

560
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: black children to understand that they have mathematical ability. They

561
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: understand the concepts and the foundational skills, and they can

562
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: be applied to budgets, engineering, food service, anything. So that

563
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: is our warning side. Now the cohort of teachers that

564
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: are needed, and I talk about this in the book.

565
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: First of all, brown and black teachers aren't needed to

566
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: keep Jerome and Anna in place, that's how they've been

567
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: used in the past. They are needed because all students

568
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: need to see representation. All students need to understand that

569
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: people who are not from where you're from can't be discounted,

570
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: have to be included. And if we are to continue

571
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: to be these United States. We have to start to

572
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: educate our youth around that. So I'm gonna say it's

573
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: about the teaching force. You think the team. You think

574
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: we would be in such a dire need for teachers

575
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: if they were paid the way that they should be paid.

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Speaker 1: I think in part yes, I mean I think also

577
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: like a lot of teachers teach because the obviously for

578
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: the love, not for the money. But also too, I

579
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: think it's not just the money. For me, it was

580
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Speaker 1: also just the lack of support. So I think in

581
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Speaker 1: some part that yes, you would maybe have more teachers apply.

582
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: But like for example, I look at I hear Maria

583
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: talking NERD pays well, okay, they pay very well, and

584
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: yet they're still struggling to attract teachers. So I don't

585
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: think it's just the money. I think it's also like,

586
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: is there a system in place to support these teachers

587
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: once they.

588
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: Have the job?

589
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: It's the money, it's the system. Now let's look at this,

590
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: it's the legacies of community. So think about this. You

591
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: want to increase brown, Black, Indigenous communities and education, you

592
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: can ignore their financial histories that they've had. So even

593
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Speaker 3: though and I'm not saying nork doesn't pay well, because

594
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: I've seen their pay skill. It pays well. But I

595
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: want you to think about you're somebody that's being moved

596
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: into a payscale who's financial legacy has never had a

597
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: leg up. Right, So let's say you took out student loans.

598
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: Your mom and your daddy, your grandmother and your auntie,

599
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: they couldn't help you get through school. You got the

600
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: student loans. You already know what I'm going to say.

601
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: You're already behind you probably credit cards your way through school,

602
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: and where you are now. You're in newer public schools

603
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: making the salary, but it's not quite cutting it yet.

604
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: And what ends up happening You have to go work

605
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: a second job, right, to not just pay your bills,

606
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 3: but to try to catch up from all of the

607
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: financial legacy that you had missing. So it is, it's

608
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: the salary, it's the professional development, it's getting providing opportunities

609
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: for educators to get a leg up. You want to

610
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: talk about removing student loan, maybe we should start with

611
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: the education for us first and really mean it, and

612
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: really mean it. There needs to be more education around

613
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: folks like you coming into our school systems and saying

614
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: to brown and black cohorts of educators. Let's talk about

615
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: how we can build your budget. Let's talk about how

616
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: we can start financial legacies so that you could get

617
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: down into the passion of teaching. There is a revolution

618
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: that needs to happen in the teacher profession. If you

619
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: want the brown and Black communities to play a role

620
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: in it, don't ignore their financial legacies that have been absent.

621
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Speaker 3: I think if we start to answer those questions, the

622
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: professional development paying them well, acknowledge how we can support

623
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: them in building healthy financial legacies for themselves, then that

624
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: takes the burden off of getting into the passion of teaching.

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Speaker 1: Because honestly, when I think about when I was teaching,

626
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Speaker 1: I mean I was making decent money for the time

627
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: at preach Scarl was making thirty nine thousand, but then

628
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I still toutored on the side because he.

629
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Speaker 2: Needed the extra money.

630
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Speaker 1: You know, I still babysat on the side, and it

631
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Speaker 1: made me an extra like five or six thousand dollars

632
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: a year, you know, to try to close some gaps.

633
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Speaker 1: So no, absolutely, and I love that you're right that

634
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: I think folks don't understand. I mean, well, the folks listening,

635
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, y'all brown ambition. But folks who are not

636
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: a part of this community do not understand that my

637
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: hundred thousand that I make it's not the same as

638
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: someone who's white and one hundred thousand that they make,

639
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: because I'm that one hundred thousand for them, Like Tash says,

640
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: the first girl to go she's the first to go

641
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: to college, so she's the one hundred thousands for her,

642
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: for granny, for cousin, for mom or dad. It's like

643
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: that money. And then on top of them, you took

644
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: out student loans because other people did not have to

645
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: do so, and so on top of that, you're trying

646
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: to like you don't literally get to start at zero

647
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: and build. You know, we're literally starting at negative one

648
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, negative two hundred thousand, and so it's not

649
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: the same. That money is not created equally.

650
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Speaker 3: So no, absolutely, And Tiffany, imagine this. If you didn't

651
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Speaker 3: have to tutor, if you didn't have to babysit, could

652
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: you have imagined using your time in bettering your your

653
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: self and your profession, maybe taking a class, reading a book,

654
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: joining a group. You know, when you think about that

655
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: and the impact that it has on communities that we're inviting,

656
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: that we want to be a part of this educational landscape.

657
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: You got to take all that into consideration.

658
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Speaker 1: I love that because it's not because what I'm learning

659
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: more and more about my community is that it's not

660
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: just throwing money at the answer, you know exactly.

661
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I've been lately been on my

662
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: soapbox trying to.

663
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: Strong arm these organizations to say, like, yo, I've been

664
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Speaker 1: teaching financial education for the last fifteen years. I've not

665
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: built an online schools that teaches financial education. I have

666
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: subsidized so many over one hundred thousand students have joined

667
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: my online school, the Literature Academy, and we keep the

668
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: cost as low as possible. I have been subsidizing, you know,

669
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Speaker 1: so much of that. Just even just this year, we

670
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: had a financial education challenge that was totally free and

671
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: we educated two hundred and eighty thousand people. But why

672
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: I always got to come out of pocket?

673
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: Where are you big bangs?

674
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

675
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: Do you want me to tap dance for you on

676
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: your to be a spokesperson? Why I always got to

677
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: come out of pocket? You know, Like, and I'm just

678
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, I'm holding them to task. You

679
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: come see me, No, tell me how you are going

680
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: to subsidize black and brown people getting free financial education.

681
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: I got to school. It works.

682
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: It's seven years old. We've already we've already educated one

683
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people. Subsidize that, you know, Like I would

684
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: love to be able to say to your point lazy, like, hey,

685
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, we have all these educators that unbounded, why

686
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: not fund them to have free access for one year

687
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: to the literature Academy?

688
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: Why why do I always have to pay for that?

689
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: You know?

690
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: And so you just be surprised because these companies have

691
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean I have gotten contracts that are multiple six

692
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: and seven figures to do not multiple seven from my

693
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: lips of God's ears, one day figure contracts to you know,

694
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: to do next to nothing as the budgetista, you know,

695
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: like a little live here on a stage there. And

696
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: that's cute, and I'm grateful for it, you know, and

697
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: I brought back into the community and the company. But

698
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: I would honestly would really love instead to say, hey,

699
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: how much can five hundred thousand? How many students can

700
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: we can we educate for five hundred thousand? How many

701
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: students mean for a million. You know, I mean not

702
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: students like kids. I'm talking about these grown people who

703
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, if I didn't have to worry about

704
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: my personal finances, then I could be present here for

705
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: these babies.

706
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 3: So yes, I mean think about the revolution. Were about

707
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: to start hunting, were about to start a revolution, because

708
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: think about the revolution that you we can have if

709
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: your financial university became a part of the scope and

710
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: sequence for undergraduates that are going into education. You know

711
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: what if the alternative program said, come and join us,

712
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: will not only teach you how to be a teacher,

713
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: but we'll also get you into the financial university so

714
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: you can learn more about budgeting. This is my question

715
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: to you. And this ain't no dig and don't send

716
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: me no emails and snaps or whatever. Y'all stand out, well,

717
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: riddle me this. We prepare professional athletes better than we

718
00:38:54,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: prepare professional educators for their budgets and beyond, and I

719
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: ain't talking about you know, some people would be like, well,

720
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 3: there's there's some places that offer you could buy a house,

721
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 3: and honey, if you see some of them houses, they'd

722
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: be offered educated. First of all, you and your husband

723
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: or your spouseborn have to be buying the building in

724
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: order to even move into it. I'm talking about beyond that.

725
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: I'm talking about educating them so that they understand that

726
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: I can be a teacher. I can be an educator

727
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: and I don't have the babysit and tutor. I can

728
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: figure out how to create a budget, how to save,

729
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: how to have vacation money, how to you know what

730
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: I mean? What about your taxes?

731
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: I said.

732
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: I used to say, it's as educated. I wish somebody

733
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: would come and teach me how to ride off all

734
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: these materials I ended up buying.

735
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Speaker 2: As a teacher.

736
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: Okay, you at the local Walmart buying fifteen judices.

737
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: One lady was like, how many kids do you have?

738
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Speaker 1: When I used to be a teacher, Like literally used

739
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: to set aside money from my paycheck for my baby. Yes,

740
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: because you can't as a teacher. It's literally impossible as

741
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: a teacher not to invest some of your own money

742
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: because there is a gap. So, no, you're right, And honestly,

743
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: that's the soap op option that I'm on now. I

744
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: am holding brands and things that reach out to me

745
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: to task to say all that's good on what you

746
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: want me to do you want me to dance for

747
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: a dollar, then do this for me, you know, not

748
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: even for me, do this for this community. That my

749
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: father would always say every time we graduated, like from

750
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: high school or college or advanced degree, he would give

751
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: the same speech to me and my four sisters. He

752
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: would always say, you are now at a different level

753
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: of life because of this education that you've now acquired.

754
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: And the beautiful thing about knowledge is knowledge, once given,

755
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: can never be rescinded. They can't take this back from

756
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: your baby. And so that's the thing I am here

757
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: as a result of my father. He's in his eighties now,

758
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: but as a he has his master's and economics and

759
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: his bachelor's in finance, and so he poured that financial

760
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: education to my sisters and I. So it allowed me

761
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: to choose what I wanted to do based upon what

762
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: I love to do. You know, because I was able

763
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: to budget, I was able to learn how to save

764
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: and start investing in all those things, even now start

765
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Speaker 1: with starting the budget, Nissa. I was able to do

766
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: those things because I knew how to live well below

767
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: my means, so I would have space to do this

768
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: thing that I'm doing now. And I always wonder, like,

769
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, how could that be different for other people?

770
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Speaker 1: So I am on my soapbox crusade to get every

771
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: black and brown person access to financial education, but meaningful

772
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: culturally relevant because people are like, well, they could just

773
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: google meaningful culturally relevant financial.

774
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: Education because some of the stuff out here. Even I'm like,

775
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: what are you saying now that is a big sense?

776
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: Or you tell me, you know, you're telling me like, oh,

777
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about pull myself up by my shoe strings?

778
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: Oh you one of those? Now I'm good.

779
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: No, meaningful culturally relevant financial education that makes sense for

780
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: who I am and how I show up in this world.

781
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, yeah, that's so we can talk late.

782
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: So like what do I got to do? Because I'm

783
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: I've already been partnered. There's a I guess I'll announce later,

784
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: but there's a nonprofit that there's already agreed, a huge

785
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: one that everybody knows their name, kind.

786
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 2: Of like work with us behind the scenes.

787
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: So basically kind of white label online school because oftentimes,

788
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: which is so crazy, a brand or a bank or

789
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: a funder or whatever will be like, hey, nonprofit, we

790
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: want to give you a bazillion dollars to do this

791
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: financial education thing. And they're like, well, why don't you

792
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: go girl, that's a black owned financial education company that's

793
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: been existing.

794
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: But the menu you white label.

795
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: It's oh child, here's all the well.

796
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: We got to do all that. So I said, all right, cute,

797
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: that's what we're gonna do.

798
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: Go ahead, a white label what we've already created and

799
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: already vetted. I mean, I had these women from Stanford

800
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: come and do and wanted to make sure all my

801
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: research and everything that I believe was true was true.

802
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: We made some changes based upon what they said. We've

803
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: retaped everything. It's just like.

804
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: It's frustrating because when I show up in all my

805
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: black and brownness and womanness, you know, there's doubt about

806
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: what I'm capable of. But to slap you know, like

807
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: some you know, old ancient like you know, on it,

808
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden.

809
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: There's valuable.

810
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: And if that's the game I have to play to

811
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: get financial education to black and brown people for free,

812
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: then so be it.

813
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: And so that right.

814
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: Now you singing my song, honey, we could start acquired.

815
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: Because I feel like I say this to people all

816
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: the time. Okay, I went to Columbia University Teachers College, right.

817
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: I didn't go to Harvard, I didn't go to Yale,

818
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 3: you know. And I have this sheer audacity as a student,

819
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: as an educator, as a leader in education, to stand

820
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: on my platforms and to announce, you know, our equitable

821
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: charges to talk about. We have a framework that's called

822
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: GLEAN is a grade level, engaging, affirming, meaningful instruction for

823
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: all students, you know, And you are absolutely right. I

824
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 3: had to authorize myself, right, which is what we often

825
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: have to do as people of color, particularly as women

826
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 3: of color. And once I authorized myself, the edgy sphere

827
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 3: got up behind me and authorized to me as well.

828
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 3: And I see, and I know that to be true

829
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: about you and what you're doing. But you are absolutely right,

830
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: we are. There has to be some sort of white

831
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 3: label or stamp to say like, okay, this person is

832
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: and not just from sheer. I mean, when you think

833
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: about your story, the sheer experience alone authorizes you to

834
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: get up in front of the masses and speak. And

835
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: that should be enough because guess what, it's enough for

836
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: some other people.

837
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know that fight continues. That fight can

838
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: tell you, so go ahead, Sorry, Sorry, I was gonna

839
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: say we're gonna run.

840
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Speaker 3: I believe we're gonna run on and see what the

841
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: end gonna be.

842
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't lost yet.

843
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Okay, So where can if the people want to buy

844
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: Justice Seasons write your book pursuing equity and the details

845
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: of teaching and learning.

846
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: Where can the people get your book?

847
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Amazon, Target, Barns and Nobles, any of

848
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 3: your online bookstore. I've just literally received a message today

849
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: that people in Australia are starting to buy the book

850
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: and so and also bookstores, you know bookstores when the

851
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: when the book demands come, they will start to fill

852
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: up the shelves in the actual retail stores. But we've

853
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: received just a huge, huge amount of support. It came

854
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: out as number one of new releases in its category

855
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: in Amazon, and so the edgisphere is showing up and

856
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 3: showing out and spreading the words. So yes, I would say,

857
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: also code to Unbounded dot org. If you go to

858
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: our landing page, it'll not only tell you where to

859
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 3: purchase the book, but it'll tell you how to sit

860
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: shoulder to shoulder with us and the work.

861
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love it. And where can they connect

862
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: with you.

863
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know how much you

864
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: want to be on your business and on social we

865
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: can be I don't know, right if they want to

866
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: follow you and connect because I always see on somebody stage,

867
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yes, yes, I gotta say she go

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Speaker 1: on stage every day. If the people want to follow

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Speaker 1: an amazing black woman doing her space, where do you

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable with them following you on social media?

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Speaker 3: So they can find us on Instagram at unbounded dot

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Speaker 3: org or miss ms Lacy Robinson. They can find me

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Speaker 3: on Facebook same thing unbounded dot org or miss Lacy

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Speaker 3: Robinson with MS Yeah, shoot me a DM. I can't

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Speaker 3: promise I'm be on the hands at all the time,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not, as I got you. People support

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Speaker 3: me like the way tivity do. But uh, but I

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Speaker 3: could try to get to the messages.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so again, give you a copy. We're gonna put

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Speaker 1: a link hopefully in that show description. I'll get the money.

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Speaker 1: Are our amazing, beautiful brown producer to put the link

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Speaker 1: for Justice Seekers in our show notes justice Seekers by

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Speaker 1: Lacy Robinson? Yeah, I just I love that there are

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Speaker 1: people like you continuing the work in the education space

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Speaker 1: where so many of us were like, tap out, tap out.

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Speaker 2: You can't all tap out.

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Speaker 1: Some of us gotta tap in, and so I'm so

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Speaker 1: glather you're there. Thank you so much for coming, lady.

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Speaker 1: You're really amazing.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you so much for having me

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Speaker 3: to me. You are such an angel. I want you

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Speaker 3: to understand that you really are. Your words of wisdom

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Speaker 3: carry us through. So I just really appreciate everything that

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Speaker 3: you do for us. And you still are teacher girl

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Speaker 3: in a different class.

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Speaker 2: Yes, low key act.

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Speaker 3: A y'all.

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Speaker 2: Hope you're enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: Share this with your favorite teacher educator because you know

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Speaker 1: she needs to hear it, because or he or they

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Speaker 1: somebody needs to hear it. Yeah, and we will see you.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying Lacy's actually gonna stay for a

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Speaker 1: ba QA, So you know, tune in on Friday because

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get some questions answered and until next week.

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Speaker 2: Bye y'all, Bye.

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Speaker 5: Hey ba fam We could not do this show without

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Speaker 5: your support or the support of our team behind the scenes.

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Speaker 5: Our Ambition podcast is produced by Imani Crosby and Dennis

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Speaker 5: Stanplinsky is our in house tech guru. I am your

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Speaker 5: co host Mandy woodrif Santos and we will see y'all

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Speaker 5: next week. BA fan