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Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups, histories world

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Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn

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Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt and I'm Ben.

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Speaker 1: As always, we are joined in the studio today with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Noel the Sandman Brown. Hello, Well do

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Speaker 1: you like that Sam? And yeah, I worked on the

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Speaker 1: fan of Sam Man. And most importantly, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: you are here and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. And today we talked briefly on

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Speaker 1: off air. There's only one way we can start to

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Speaker 1: show also the story. So recurring theme for me when

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Speaker 1: I when I'm sleeping sometimes I guess you're called recurring

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Speaker 1: my marriage dream. I have this sense that I am

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Speaker 1: floating in a giant body of water, and I just

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Speaker 1: to have this overwhelming sensation that there's something much much

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Speaker 1: larger than me underneath me. And it's not necessarily like

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Speaker 1: something that's going to empower me. It's just a sense

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Speaker 1: I'll wake from this and that feeling will kind of

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Speaker 1: stay with me and I'm not exactly. It's not exactly

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Speaker 1: a kind of paralysis, but it's just this carries over

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Speaker 1: experience that even when I'm awaken, it's almost as feeling

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Speaker 1: I'm being fully awake and sort of still being in

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Speaker 1: that that space as through a dark, gigantic opens lit

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Speaker 1: abyss blue field. Yeah, and I mean what I what

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Speaker 1: I compare to is you know, maybe like a whale

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Speaker 1: freaked out by things that I can't see, things that

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Speaker 1: lie just beneath the surface, and you know, nothing represents

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Speaker 1: a larger and seeing, you know, unseeable, unknowable world than

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Speaker 1: the ocean or right. And so that's just that's something

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Speaker 1: that's always stuck with me, and it comes back pretty often. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the the Leviathan is a very powerful and scary thing

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Speaker 1: to experience. What about you, Matt, You going, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: certainly I can relate to that feeling, especially being in

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Speaker 1: about uh, my wife because we recently experienced this or

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Speaker 1: she recently experienced it. Um, I guess why don't I

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Speaker 1: tell that story after we actually talk about what it is? Right? Yes,

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Speaker 1: So we're talking a little bit about nightmares. And it's

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Speaker 1: strange that there are some nightmares that occur more often

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Speaker 1: in one culture than another. There's some nightmares that seem

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Speaker 1: weirdly specific. A lot of people have nightmares related to

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Speaker 1: their teeth crumbling or falling out, or having to do

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Speaker 1: stuff with other people's teeth. Um. So a nightmare at

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Speaker 1: heart is what is called a parasomnia. And so a

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Speaker 1: word of today, right, Uh, like the time when we

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Speaker 1: learned that other what's that word for fake pseudicide? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you fake your own suiceide, which we didn't know

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Speaker 1: is the thing. So the word like that is paras

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Speaker 1: omnia or sleeping disorder. A nightmare is a kind of parasomnia,

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Speaker 1: and nightmare is a weird name when we think about it. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's like two words. Was I mean like nighthorse kind

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Speaker 1: of it's just is it scarier? Um? What it originally

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Speaker 1: auditory hallucinations. It's strange because every sense that people have,

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Speaker 1: you different information. So these are waking nightmares, Is that correct? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why it was so similar, you know, I mean, and

428
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: admittedly the science is pretty murky at this point. Yeah,

429
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: there are questions that remain unanswered. You know, there's every

430
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: time on this show or other shows, every time someone

431
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: at house stuff work starts to tangle with the dream world.

432
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: We quickly learned that most people say, it's probably this

433
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: or maybe that, but I don't know. Well yeah, and

434
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: the the underlying belief structure of a culture. Honestly, that

435
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: is the main way to explain something like this a

436
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: lot of time, and it's something occurred to me. Um,

437
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: I know this is this is probably pretty intensive think

438
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: about for you especially, But crib death, like, you know,

439
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: did you ever read that Chuck Polinic book Lullaby. It

440
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: was all about like this African spirit that causes the

441
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: infants to you know, pass away in their cribs. I

442
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: just wonder if there's any connection between this idea of

443
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis and demons or whatever, and if that's like

444
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: an infant's version of experiencing that, because think about it,

445
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: I mean, like if if if it's that bad for

446
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: an adult, can you imagine if something like that happened

447
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: to an infant. You know, that's that's an interesting proposition

448
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: because there are two myths that tied directly to concepts

449
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: of infant mortality that I think of just when you

450
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: say that. And the first is um The first is

451
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: the black cat myth, and that the cat would attack

452
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: a child, right, we know that one. And that's the

453
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: one where a cat for some reason gets on top

454
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: of a baby and crib event sucks its breath out

455
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: right and or in reality sits on its face and

456
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: probably just suffocates it with its Which could which could happen?

457
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: Is this took a dark turn, my friends? The other

458
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: one would be, of course, those old stories of change leans.

459
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: That was a way too. That was a way for

460
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: people to interpret that kind of situation, you know, like

461
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: they advocate's healthy, then they have a kid who's not.

462
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: Then it must have been some sort of intervention by

463
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: unnatural forces. So this brings us to the bigger one

464
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: of the bigger questions. Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait

465
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: wait wait, Before we get to that, guys, I gotta

466
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: say I think in our notes here it says there's

467
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: a part where I wanted to complain about the video script.

468
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: It's tough time writing this one. Were tough time writing

469
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: this well. If you if you check out the video listeners,

470
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: go go easy on it. The editing will as always

471
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: be fantastic and the production will be great. But uh,

472
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: if at some points there you go, I don't know,

473
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of weak, then it's my fault, not that

474
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: their knows. That's so to be clear, I think you're

475
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: a little too hard on yourself. This is an interesting

476
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: topic though it's a little out of the norm, you know,

477
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: for the show, So I applaud you for attacking it

478
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: with such. We had a lot of people get upset

479
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: that we covered slender Man, even when we said Slenderman,

480
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: it's not real and was invented in two thousand and nine. Yeah,

481
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: they were mad because we were listening to our younger viewers.

482
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: And that's the that's I would say the comment that

483
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: we get the most, But I didn't viewers. Man, won't

484
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: you do someone about doge? About what a dog? I don't. Well,

485
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 1: that's the thing, like I I don't know the age

486
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: of someone who writes to us unless they tell us.

487
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: And uh and we we try to cover as much

488
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: as we can. We have a backlog. Uh and and

489
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: not every not everything is going to be successful. But

490
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: I bring him slender Man because we are We've been

491
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: exploring mythology in this weird way and folklore, and that

492
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: brings me to like the biggest question that I have

493
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: to ask you guys, do you think these kind of

494
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: things are real or that there's some way to encounter

495
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: another entity through your brain? It gets it takes me

496
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: back to the video Gland. That's what I think about

497
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: because I believe melo melotonin is released from the panel Gland.

498
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: I believe that's correct. I'm not a scientist. That's what

499
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: I found in my notes. Uh, I don't know. Somebody,

500
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: Emory shoot me a note anyway. Yeah, you're I mean,

501
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: you're right. So that the idea that there is an

502
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: idea that the panel Gland seated in the center of

503
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: your brain is somehow this gateway to other dimensions or

504
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: the spirit, realm or whatever you want to call it

505
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: um and perhaps this is a way that we could

506
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: get into communication with other things, if they exist. I

507
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: tend not to believe that that is the truth, but

508
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody currently trying to write, I

509
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: don't know, write a thesis paper. Well that I think

510
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're all working with

511
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: the same equipment, you know, and so when certain wires

512
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: get crossed and things you know, chemicals are out of

513
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: balance that it can produce similar results. I mean, look

514
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: at people describing hallucinogenic experiences for example, and taking you know, psychedelics.

515
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: Shout out the Graham Hancock and the machine Elves. Do

516
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: you guys, that's a thing, that's a I'll show No,

517
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: I just mean, I mean, I don't have any specifics

518
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: right off the bat, but I mean, and just in

519
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: reading people, you know, descriptions of their their trips or whatever,

520
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: there are a lot of similarities. There are a lot

521
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: of things that are experienced very similarly. So I just

522
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: wonder if the fact that many people report similar sleep paralysis, um,

523
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, apparitions appearing to them. Like I said, we're

524
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: working with the same equipment, if the wires are crossed

525
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: in a similar way, would it produce similar results? Oh? Yeah,

526
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's interesting because we can make I mean,

527
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: human experimentation is still pretty limited in this day and age,

528
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: but we could do some interesting things if ethics weren't involved.

529
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but no, I'm just it just has

530
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: to say. It's just just spitballing here, guys. I'm not

531
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm not going to you. Uh, surgery

532
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: on people's beneal glands, you guys, and hallucinogens. That's crazy.

533
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting though, I'm just saying it's interesting. There's a

534
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: lot to learn. Oh yeah, sure, Uh, I'm just really fast.

535
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to come up with some of the ideas

536
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: of what people who do experience this have attempted to

537
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: do to make it stop. And there are a lot

538
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: of things when if you consulted, let's say, a therapist

539
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: or a psychologist, and you you say, hey, I'm experiencing

540
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: this at night, I'm I'm feeling paralyzed and I see

541
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: shadow people. I know that sounds crazy. What can I do? Um,

542
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna be told, well, we need you to eat

543
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: a little more healthily, we need you to get more sleep,

544
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: not use you know, your cell phone or other electronic

545
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: devices right before you go to bed. All these different

546
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: things of lifetime lifestyle changes and going back to even

547
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: two thousand two in that Entity documentary, Uh, people who

548
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: experience this express how difficult it is to hear that

549
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: because a lot of times it doesn't really help that much.

550
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: Perhaps it will alleviate the symptoms slightly, but um, it's

551
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: almost it feels like a dismissal at least is what

552
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: it seems from these people who are interviewed like it's

553
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: not real, look chill out well, and are these people

554
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: just cool as cucumbers in their day to day lives

555
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: or do they struggle with some serious anxiety that I

556
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: would say at least these are the two main documentaries

557
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: I watched. The Nightmare in the Entity, it seems it

558
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: seems to fluctuate. So there was one guy who says

559
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: he experiences it almost every night. He's unable to It's

560
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: affected him where he can't keep down a regular job,

561
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: he can't really do much of anything. His social world

562
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: is just all messed up because at night he's just terrified.

563
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: So you would almost argue that his daily anxiety is

564
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: as a result of this, this these night terrors, right

565
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: right right, That's what I just wonder if folks with

566
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: intense anxiety issues that that affect them every day are

567
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: more prone to having these nighttime and anxiety experiences, or

568
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: they could be real. It's a possibility, honestly, it is.

569
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: It's well, that's that's the thing. If we're talking just

570
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: in terms of rhetoric and technicalities, and there's always the

571
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: out where we can say, well, perhaps there's just since

572
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: we don't know if these things were to exist, we

573
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: don't know what substance they would be formed of. We

574
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: don't have a way to measure whatever constitutes them, right,

575
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: So it is possible that we just don't have the technology.

576
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: But then it's also probable that it's not necessarily a haunting.

577
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: I love I love horror movies, you guys, and I

578
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: love watching, uh watching movies with a lot of heavily

579
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: implied mythology. I will say I myself have never ex

580
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: experienced sleep paralysis in the way that I hear it

581
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: depicted in these sorts of things. You know. Um, I

582
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: guess I should be fortunate in that regard. But when

583
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: when we talked about the nature of reality, we're talking

584
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: about whether you find your experiences true? Is that the

585
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: ultimate thing you can trust? Or do you trust what

586
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: other people tell you about their experiences or experiences of

587
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: humanity at large? You know what I mean? Or can

588
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: you even trust what you see in here sometimes because

589
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: we know that your tricks on you. One of the

590
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: strangest episodes we did, which is also a difficult one,

591
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 1: was about the flat Earth theory, and I think that's

592
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: the one where it ends in. There's you know, there's

593
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: clearly guys, Okay, the Earth is not a perfect sphere,

594
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: but it is a sphere. It's not a day, it's

595
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: not a disk. Yeah, and uh, there's a there's a

596
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: group of people, the vast majority are people who are

597
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: sort of trolling, and they called themselves a flat Earth society.

598
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: But their belief is, or the stick is that with

599
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: the right rhetorical tools, you can't argue anything. And I

600
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: get that. I mean, I'm not excited about it, but

601
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: that's the real thing. I like the idea. And then

602
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: there are there are very few people who do actually

603
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: believe that the Earth is flat. And I was reading

604
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's doing the research on this, and one

605
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: person said, oh, yeah, astronauts have been there. How much

606
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: do you trust, asked her, do you know any astronauts?

607
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: I think we Yeah, that was what we used that, yeah,

608
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: because I didn't know what else. Like. It was just

609
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: such a great question, you know, because I don't know

610
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: when he asked her, right, it's completely true, but at

611
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: the same time it's not plausible. So with with that mind,

612
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: we haven't dug all the way into altering reality via hallucinogens.

613
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: And I think that's a very good conversation for us

614
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: to have. And I want to know if listeners. We've

615
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about the science, right, but I

616
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: want to know if you out there listening have had

617
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: an experience like this that you believe cannot be explained

618
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: by some sort of wonky hiccup in your sleep cycle

619
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: or another mundane thing, the chemical and balance of some sort. Yeah,

620
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: And if you have had that, what is your explanation

621
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: for what it is? Um? I really want to know

622
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: that some of the hypotheses that were put through in

623
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: the nightmare where they're one of the people said they

624
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: think perhaps this might be some sort of visitation from

625
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: beings from another dimension. Another person said, well, what if

626
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: people who are experiencing this are how getting the raw

627
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: data from the from the world, from this reality or

628
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: whatever it is that most people can't process, and they

629
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: can't process the full raw data of what they're seeing.

630
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: That is the by the way, that last one is

631
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: the guy who can't hold down a job. Um, well,

632
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing people talk about with the hallucinations,

633
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, is is this sense of a flood of

634
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: data and information that you can't perceive when you're not

635
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: in that state. Yeah, there's too much. By the way,

636
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: I can we talk about one specific thing that happened

637
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: in the Nightmare documentary one Okay, it was that guy.

638
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: He said that he was asleep in his bed. But

639
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: this is a spoiler. Um, if you want to watch

640
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: the documentary, and I highly recommend that you do. He

641
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: says he was sleeping in his bed and there were

642
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: two females sleeping in the bed with him. He was

643
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: on one side and then two g He says that

644
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: he got the sleep paralysis or it affected him, and

645
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: he couldn't move. He saw a huge eight foot black

646
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: figure standing over him, had red eyes and was speaking

647
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: to him and saying things like you don't know me,

648
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: but I know you, but you know who I am.

649
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Like really strange, cryptic but and almost contradictory statements. And

650
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: he was terrified. He couldn't move. Then all of a sudden,

651
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: the girl next to him shot up out of bed, screaming.

652
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: At least according to this guy, this is his story,

653
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: and she just I guess it woke him up and

654
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: knocked him out of it. What she said she saw

655
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: was a black cat sitting on her chest with red eyes,

656
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: speaking in some other language to him at while at

657
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: the same time he believes he's seeing this giant eight

658
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: foot character talking to him. I don't know. That to

659
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: me is fascinating, the idea that two people could experience

660
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: something very strange but so similar at the same time. Yeah,

661
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear stories about that. There's there's another

662
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: thing I want to pose it there. Wait, man, I'm sorry,

663
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I never I don't mean to interrupt you, but should

664
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: we keep that in? I feel like maybe I was

665
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: just telling too much of the movie with the two?

666
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: With the two? Yeah, the story is an antegoque front

667
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: of a film. No, we should totally keep that. I mean,

668
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's interesting, but it just sounds like

669
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: some tweaker stuff to me, really a little bit. And

670
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: what's he doing in bed with the two chicks in

671
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: the first place? And this is the guy that candle

672
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: down the job. I'm sorry, I should I do agree

673
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: with Noel here. I feel like you're right, man, there's

674
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: some there's some missing plot points, all right, Look, I'll

675
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: give you that, but it makes for a good story.

676
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: It makes for a good story. All right, So there

677
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: is you know, there's this strange debate about how many

678
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: senses we have. We have so many other strange senses

679
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: that don't quite get the don't quite get the superstar

680
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: status of the of the main five, right like the

681
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: main cast. So I'd like to do an exercise. Ladies

682
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: and gentlemen listening to the podcast, we'd like to do

683
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: an exercise with you. Now, if you're in a safe place,

684
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: we want you to turn out the lights. Go to

685
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: the darkest place you can find, physically, not emotionally. Don't

686
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: get weird with it. And okay, are you there? All right?

687
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: Close your eyes and take your right hand with your

688
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: eyes closed, so with it straight out at your side,

689
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: as though you're trying to lean to a wall on

690
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: your right. And then when your palm up, move your

691
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: hand slowly in front of where your field of vision

692
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: would be if your eyes are open. You're in the dark.

693
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: You have your eyes closed, but according to several different

694
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: studies of you will be able to somehow see your hand,

695
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: or you will think that you see your hand, because

696
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: your body has a sense of its own um where

697
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: it exists in space. Right, not necessarily everybody but basically daredevil.

698
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: But the study says people basically have daredevil esque powers.

699
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: And this is interesting to mean because it then means

700
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: that you could have I don't know about you, guys,

701
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: but I've had this slippery moment where I feel like

702
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: my whole body has slipped away, where I think, Okay,

703
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm it, it's time to get working on the show.

704
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Matt Nolan, I are meeting up, so let me get up,

705
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: and I'm brushing my teeth and play it on the pants.

706
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: And then the meeting some cereal or something. I'm kidding.

707
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't have my life together enough to handle breakfast

708
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: and uh. And then I realized that I've been in

709
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: bed the entire time. I'm just laying there, and I

710
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: started thinking about what I had to do and slowly

711
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: started slipping back into dreaming about it. Yeah, I've done

712
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: that before when I sneeze hit the sneeze button, and

713
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: when I shouldn't have. My dreams aren't that organized? Oh man,

714
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: if any of my dreams will work appropriate, I would

715
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: I would tell Tell the real way really fast. Before

716
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: we get out of here, guys, I just want to say,

717
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: there there's a ton of research you can do on

718
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: your own about this stuff there are. They're all kinds

719
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: of books. One of my favorite ones about this idea

720
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: of hallucinating is called Hallucinations by All of Our Sex

721
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Fascinating book. Diana has a whole host of his books, um,

722
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: just dealing with what happens when weird things happen in

723
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: the brain. Uh, really great stuff. Another one was, Oh,

724
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: it's actually called sleep paralysis by Shelley Adler, who's uh

725
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: someone that Diana knew as well. Sorry, that's my wife.

726
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: Everybody smart, she's really smart. I think that's really that's

727
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: really I just want to say, they're all kinds of books,

728
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: they're all kinds of places online if you were suffering

729
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: from this that that can at least try to help

730
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: you out, and their forms you can go to and

731
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: discuss with other people. It's a serious thing, and I

732
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: would yeah, I would like to say for my part,

733
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: I am not diminishing this variants. I believe that people

734
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: can have all kinds of experiences and just because we

735
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: don't share them does not make them anymore or less real.

736
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: So if this is happening for you and it's something

737
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: that you're struggling with, let us know we were interested

738
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: in hearing about it, and I just hope at no

739
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: point during this episode that I come off as being

740
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: flippant about it, right, especially if this is the verdict

741
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: is so far the scientific consensus, I should say, is

742
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: that this is not something that will physically harm you. However,

743
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: this can be emotionally traumatizing, and there are people who

744
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: have reported being physically harmed by what they believe psycho

745
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: somatic possibly or but they believe that they have been um,

746
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, assaulted like punched or scratched. And and guys,

747
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: we've all drank too much in our twenties and younger listeners. Yeah, yeah,

748
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: that's some adventures ahead of your time, so you know, people,

749
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: My point is people have woken up with how did

750
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: that get there? Kind of bruise before, you know what

751
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean. And just because we don't know where something

752
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: came from doesn't mean that it automatically implies a certain

753
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: like a certain outcome or a certain cause. Rather sure,

754
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: so I'm glad we got that disclaimer out there, guys,

755
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: because this is a serious problem. As Matt said, you

756
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: can go to forums to talk with other people who

757
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: have experienced this, and many people will have different explanations

758
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: for the causes. But I'm sure there are different versions

759
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: of the experience. We're kind of talking about a specific

760
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: one that was portrayed very chillingly in this film Nightmare.

761
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: But you have to imagine as many people as there

762
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: are out there that have these experiences, there have to

763
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: be lots of different vas Yeah. There, it's always always

764
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: slightly different, and it's usually most of the time just

765
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: this dark being or beings or the sensation of what yes,

766
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of why I at the very

767
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: top of the podcast, just to circle back, I mentioned

768
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: my you know, recurring dream or nightmare. See, the thing is,

769
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: at this age, I almost don't even think about things

770
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: as nightmares anymore because they don't scare me. It's just

771
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: a sense that I'm left with that is it can

772
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: be a positive thing, like I said, feeling my size

773
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: and feeling and the insignificance of you know, me in

774
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: relation to the machinations of the universe and larger beings

775
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: and things like that. So I mean, to me, the

776
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: thing that I'm experiencing is as much an apparition as

777
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: one of these shadow people. You know. It's it's it's

778
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: just kind of like it represents something. At least that's

779
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: the way I interpreted it represents whether whether it's a

780
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: lack of something, a you know, lack of confidence or

781
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of thing that is difficult to

782
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: deal with. That's kind of how you know, I look

783
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: at it. You know, that was well said. I I

784
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: think that's I think it's handed air way to look

785
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: at it. And we would like to hear what you think,

786
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: so right to us, right to us directly or find

787
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: us on the internet, and just to show you that

788
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: we actually do read, listen, or mail. Do you guys

789
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: want to do something? Absolutely, I've got one right here.

790
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: This mail comes to us from Matt. Matt is very

791
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: generous with his compliments. He uh says he's listening to

792
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: the Halloween Special podcast. He wanted to share a somewhat

793
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: similar experience he had last year. I'll be, Oh, excellent,

794
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: I'll be His story doesn't involve ghosts or anything bad happening,

795
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: So here it is. Um, let's see. At this point

796
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: in time, I've been running a house with my wife

797
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: in central Pennsylvania for going on three years. The house

798
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: was in a quiet community and we felt a sense

799
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: of security. I imagine anyone living in the suburbs normally feels.

800
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: One week in the middle of the summer, while I

801
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: was away on business, our central air went out. My

802
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: wife called the landlord to have it fixed, as it

803
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: gets pretty toasty in Pennsylvania in the summer months. The

804
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: landlord had the HVAC guy called my wife and asked

805
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: when she would be home. My wife responded that she

806
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't be home until around six pm. The HVAC guy

807
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: said he had a local job in the area, but

808
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: didn't know if he could hang around that long. She

809
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: told my wife he'd see if he could troubleshoot the

810
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: problem from outside, and told my wife to call him

811
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: if it had been a success. So my wife got

812
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: off work and went home to find a work van

813
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: outside our house, but the HVAC guy was nowhere to

814
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: be seen. She walked to the front door of our

815
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: house to find that the door had been unlocked. She

816
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: opened the door to find the HVAC guy standing in

817
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: our living room. Obviously startled, she asked the man how

818
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: he got inside. He replied, oh, well, a lot of

819
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: landlords keeps spare keys on top of the electric meters

820
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: for maintenance people. I looked and found a key to

821
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: your house sitting there. Sorry to startle you, it goes

822
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: without saying. My wife felt a mixture of terror and

823
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: anger that this man took the liberty to get inside

824
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: our home without our permission. It equally freaked us out

825
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: that we had a spare key outside our home for

826
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: two years that we had no idea about. After my

827
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: wife told me this, I immediately called the landlord and

828
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: as far our locks to be changed, as it is

829
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: entirely possible another key could exist without our knowledge. We

830
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: live in the same house to this day, but it

831
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: still freaks me out knowing how vulnerable we were. A

832
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: word of advice to anyone running a house, check with

833
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: your landlord to see if they have a spare key

834
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: staffed around the property. Anyway, that was my experience with

835
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: finding maintenance people creepily waiting inside my home. Thank you

836
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: for producing a great show, and I look forward to

837
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: future episodes. I think that hits on the theme of

838
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: the of the episode. I mean just this. You know,

839
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: if you've heard the expression safe as houses, right, that

840
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: doesn't apply anymore, you know, it just doesn't. But the

841
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,959
Speaker 1: thing is is that we feel safe in our home

842
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: just naturally you want to at least because it's it's

843
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: it's your You've got your walled in, it's like your fortress.

844
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: But there are so many things that we take for granted,

845
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: like a maintenance person, like a spare key, like having

846
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: a landlord that is in control of our locks and

847
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: has extra keys that could be hanging around without our knowledge. Yeah.

848
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: So I mean, like I said in the episode, I

849
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: don't want people to be paranoid and live in fear of,

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Speaker 1: you know, being invaded or something like that. But you

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Speaker 1: know that these things are an issue. You have to

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Speaker 1: be aware of your surroundings. So thank you Matt for

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Speaker 1: writing in again, for being very kind, and for sharing

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Speaker 1: a pretty disturbing real life version of you know, the

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Speaker 1: kind of the story that we read may have just

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Speaker 1: been a story, who knows, but that's a real world example.

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Speaker 1: He yikes. We have one more listener mail before we

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Speaker 1: head out today, and that is from our friend Mike

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Speaker 1: in and guys. Mike was writing in about our Highway

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Speaker 1: of Tears episode says, hey, I recently found your podcasts

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Speaker 1: and been spending hours a day catching up. I'm a

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Speaker 1: truck driver, so there's been many Miles that you've kept

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Speaker 1: me company. Keep up the great work and thanks for

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Speaker 1: the thought provoking topics. As a side note on your podcast,

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Speaker 1: Highway of Tears and the on serial killers, you talked

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Speaker 1: about truckers being serial killers. Just know that most of

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Speaker 1: us are hard working family guys and gals who just

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Speaker 1: wanted to deliver our goods and get home safely to

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Speaker 1: our families. Mike, I think that was I think that's

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Speaker 1: a good point because we didn't we sort of said

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Speaker 1: how rare serial killers are. Well, I think we should

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Speaker 1: establish because we do have a lot of trekkers listening

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Speaker 1: to the show as well, we should establish the trekkers

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Speaker 1: are good people. You know, even if they weren't listening

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Speaker 1: to our show, they would still be awesome because they

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Speaker 1: get us things. I mean, that's the only way things

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Speaker 1: happen to get other places was because truckers exist, right,

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Speaker 1: Cargo ships and trucks and rail Uh. Truckers don't just

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Speaker 1: drive racks in a very real way, they drive the economy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my buddy Charlie who just moved back to upstate New York,

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Speaker 1: his dad and a couple other guys that they would

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Speaker 1: get around and talk about you know what would happen

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Speaker 1: if the trucker associations all decided to go on strike

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Speaker 1: and the people in the docks all the sided, dude

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Speaker 1: go on strike because you know, of mistreatment or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was just talking about the real world effects of

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Speaker 1: nothing getting shipped anywhere. Take things for granted, Take things

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Speaker 1: for granted. But with that said, Mike, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for checking out the show, and you guess you as

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Speaker 1: well listening. Thanks so much. We hope you enjoyed this topic.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear a suggestion from you. Is there

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Speaker 1: something we should cover in an upcoming episode, video or audio?

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Speaker 1: You can you can let us know. You can let

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Speaker 1: us know, right, There's so many ways you can let

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Speaker 1: us know. We're all over the internet. We're lousy over

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Speaker 1: The internet is lousy with us. Yes, don't don't even

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Speaker 1: search stuff they don't want you to know, because you'll

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Speaker 1: you can find us on Facebook. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter where we are conspiracy stuff. You can find

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Speaker 1: us on stuff they don't want you to know where

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Speaker 1: you can almost very soon find pictures of Noel and

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Speaker 1: Matt and Ben. And that'll be awesome when that happens. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If not, If you don't want to do any of

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Speaker 1: visit YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. You can also

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