1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: In our clubhouse, there's a saying right above the hallway 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: to the girls locker room. It says person and bold 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: all caps letters and then align and then athlete. So 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: person first, athlete second, and the sooner they realize that 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: it is the god honest truth that they're more important 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: to me as a person than an athlete. That's when 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: the magic happens. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: This is the Reform Sports Project, a podcast about restoring 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 2: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: education and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick Bonacor from the 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: Reform Sports Podcast. My guest today is Patrick Murphy, head 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: softball coach at the University of Alabama. Coach Murphy has 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: helped build the Crimson Tide program from the very beginning, 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: leading the team to a national championship victory, twenty four 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: straight NCAA appearances, and seventeen Super regionals. Entering his twenty 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: eighth year on the university's coaching staff, Patrick and I 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: discuss why the best teams experienced vis curious, joy and 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: other people's success, reminding his players that they are people 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: first and athlete second, and why he has to saying 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: in his program, can you handle thirty seconds? Of embarrassment 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: for a lifetime of learning. Man, I got another awesome 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: guest super up to have him head softball coach University 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: of Alabama coach Pat Murphy, Coach, thanks so much for 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: hopping on man. 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: Nick, Thanks lot, coach, I got it. 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: Mean congratulations Alabama Hall of Fame, Sports Hall of Fame. 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: Last year, I think thirteen trips to the college. You know, 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: the softball College World Series Women's College World Series national 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: title in twenty twelve. Congrats, Like just an absolute dynamite program. 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: A lot of coaches, a lot of sports parents, a 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: lot of student athletes will listen to this, and coach, 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: I got to ask, with all that success that you've had, like, 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: how the hell do you start it? Like, I know 34 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: you've been with the program since the mid nineties, is 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: an assistant at Alabama, but like, how do you get 36 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: the sustained success that seems to be the secret of 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: the secret sauce that everyone's finding wanting to find? 38 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: I should say, exactly, you know, this is starting year 39 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 4: twelve at the University of Alabama for me, and I 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: spent my probably first hour and a half of the 41 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 4: morning texting anybody that has been with me for that long. 42 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: Every boss so I've had at Alabama my current boss, 43 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: doctor Karen Lee greg Burn, the athletic director at Alabama now. 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: But it's just been a labor of love for sure, 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: from day one, and it's been really really cool to 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: be able to start a Division one program from scratch. 47 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: And like you said, I was an assistant for the 48 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: first two years and then I took over in July 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: of ninety eight as the head coach. 50 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: And been here ever since. 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: But I think one of thet things is my associate 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: head coach, Alison Habits. She's been here for twenty five years. 53 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: She's been with me since I've been as head coach. 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: So the consistency in our program, our string coach Michelle Dilts, 55 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: she'sy to go on on year eighteen or nineteen with us. 56 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: So that consistency and the staff, the people, I think 57 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: that means a lot to the young ladies that come 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: here because you know, once you get used to our system, 59 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: we're pretty much going to be around, you know, for 60 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: your entire career. And you know, I remember the first 61 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: time we won the SEC And one of the coolest 62 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: traditions at Alabama is you get a ring at halftime 63 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: of a football game that next fall after you win 64 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: a conference championship. 65 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: So here we are out of. 66 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: The fifty yard line, the athletic director and the president 67 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: at the time are handing out rings to everybody on 68 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: the team, the staff, and then as we're walking off, Malmore, 69 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: the ad at the time, kind of puts his arm 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: around me. 71 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: And he was a backup quarterback when Joe Naman played. 72 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: At Alabama and he's been around Alabama athletics for a 73 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: long long time, and he kind of looked at me, 74 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: and I know it wasn't a negative thing, it just 75 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: was matter of factly he said, yeah, it's pretty cool, 76 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, first SEC championship, but it takes a really, 77 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: really good program and a really good coach to win 78 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: another one. And you know, I kind of looked up 79 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: at him and I said, yes, sir, and then I thought, 80 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to win another one, and 81 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: just year and year out. I look for the same 82 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: type of kid when we recruit. We want kids who 83 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: want to be here, because when they want to be here, 84 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: they're not going to look over their shoulder and think, 85 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: what if. 86 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: They're going to be better academically, They're. 87 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: Going to be better socially and they're certainly going to 88 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: be better athletically. 89 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: So we kind of stuck with the same formula from 90 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: day one. 91 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: You know, as you're talking, it got me thinking about, 92 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: Like I mentioned to you before, I was fortunate enough 93 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: to play for Mike Fox and Scott Forbes and Charlie 94 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: Long and such at North Carolina Wesley and before coach 95 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: Fox took the job at University of North Carolina, and 96 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: we you know, it was Division three, but I mean, 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: we were in the World Series every year and we 98 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: were fortunately win a national title in nineteen ninety nine. 99 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: But I remember when I was a sophomore, one of 100 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: our freshmen at the time, we were about to win 101 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: the conference championship. You know, we're sitting there on the 102 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: edge of the dugout or whatever, and you know, you're 103 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: getting ready to, you know, go celebrate with your teammates, 104 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: and one of the freshmen looks at one of the 105 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: upper class was actually the ace of our staff and says, so, 106 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: what are we gonna do? You know, we're going to 107 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: dog pile and all that, and and the upper classman, 108 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: Sean Fleming shout out says to him, dude, we win 109 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 2: the conference championship. Here we dogpile for regional and national championships. 110 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: That's it. 111 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: You know, we just expect we're gonna go out there, 112 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: we're gonna shake hands, we're going to stop. But we 113 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: don't dog pile for that. And I've never forgotten that 114 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: story because you know, that was just the culture that 115 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: was created. It was an expectation to go back to 116 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: what you know, what you were describing, but that took 117 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: time for the coaching staff to build. What I have 118 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: found from my experience having played at a school that 119 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: where that was the expectation is that wasn't an expectation 120 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: put out by the coaching staff. That was an expectation 121 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: that the players understood, and really it was led by 122 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: the upper classmen, you know, getting the underclassmen in line. 123 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: How do you create that? Is that when you have 124 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: something really cooking, when when the players themselves or the 125 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: athletes themselves are kind of leading that mentality. 126 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 3: Definitely, I think you said it perfectly. 127 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: When a team's player led, I think it's going to 128 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: be a really really good team. And this was example 129 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: this year where we had a really good senior class, 130 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: including you know, Montana Fountain, you know, one of the 131 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: best pitchers in the country and Ali Shipman dashing praying 132 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: Faith Hensley, and you just kind of like, you know, 133 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: I think one of the best things we do at Alabama, 134 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: and we've done it for probably twenty years at least. 135 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: I don't even remember the last time we didn't do it. 136 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: But we do something called class dinners, And I used 137 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: to have the entire team come over to my house 138 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: the first week of school and I cooked dinner, and 139 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, there'd be thirty thirty five people there. The 140 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: staff was invited and every time though, the new freshmen 141 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: would be sitting in a corner by themselves, like the 142 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 1: shyest kids at the junior high dance, scared of everything 143 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: and wouldn't say a peep, and you know, it was like, 144 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we got to do something different. So 145 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: the next year I did class dinners, where one class 146 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: at a time would come. So the seniors come to 147 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: my house first, I cooked, the juniors go to my 148 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: associate head coach's house, she cooked dinner. Sophomores go to 149 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: my pitching coach's house. They cook dinner, and then the 150 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: freshmen come to my house as well. And I read 151 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: one time in a book, and it was an educational 152 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: administration book, and I don't remember the name of it, 153 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: but there was a stat in there that just blew 154 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: me away, and it was if a freshman at any 155 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: college steps foot in a house within that community where 156 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: the college is, they're like eighty eight percent more likely 157 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: to return to that school the next year just by 158 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: feeling at home one time. You know, that doesn't matter 159 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: if it was a professor, a coach, whatever. And so 160 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: I want the freshmen to feel at home immediately. And 161 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: it's the first week of school. Some of them might 162 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: already be feeling homesick, but I want them to be able 163 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: to come to a house, you know, feel at home. 164 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: I usually cook one of their favorite meals and we 165 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: get going that way. But the seniors when they come over, 166 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: as the dinners get older, the biggest team throughout it 167 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: all is leadership. And basically the entire senior class dinner, 168 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: all we talk about is leadership and how we're going 169 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: to do it this year and how they're going to 170 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: do it. And I asked specific questions of what do 171 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: you think is holding you back right now as a 172 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: really good leader, And every senior has to say it 173 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: out loud and we take notes. It's very open. It's 174 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: sometimes it gets vulnerable with their answers, but we want 175 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: to hear that, so that consistency. 176 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: Year after year after year. 177 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: They started as a freshman at my house, we talk 178 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: a little bit about leadership. Then we go to the 179 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: sophomore class, talk about leadership there, junior, even more senior. 180 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: All it is about leadership, and I think it's helped 181 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: us year after year after year. And you know, we'll 182 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: do tweaks in the itinerary, but I've handled those out 183 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: and coaches clinics, and I think a lot of people 184 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: have found that they're very valuable for their team as well. 185 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: So it just seems to use the word vulnerable, you know, 186 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: being vulnerable, or it sounds like you're trying to create 187 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: a safe space. So I make it comfortable. I know 188 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: what it's like to be a freshman, and you know, 189 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: it's very it's just new, right, it's new. It's it 190 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: could be overwhelming. There's a competitive piece in there. You're nervous, 191 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: you're trying to feel it out. You're no longer the 192 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: big fish in a small pond. Now you're just a 193 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: You're just a fish. Women with a usually just a 194 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: little fishwoman with a bunch of sharks trying to figure 195 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: it out and could be very intimidating. Do you let 196 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: some of it happen organically? Like do you do you 197 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: really try to coach your upper classmen how to handle 198 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: the underclassmen or is that something that evolves over time? 199 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: I mean, and I guess the next step of that 200 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: question is how much effort goes into on a day 201 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: to day basis really trying to build as much of 202 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 2: a relationship you can with those freshmen as they're onboarding 203 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: into the fall. 204 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 3: Well, I think first thing. 205 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: One of the things we do at the junior class 206 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: outing is we do this role playing game and there's 207 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: I think there's five scenarios that we have come up 208 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: with that have actually happened in the history of our program. 209 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 3: And some of it's not so good. You know. Some 210 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 3: of it's typical of a team where somebody. 211 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: Is complaining in the dugout that they don't get to 212 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: play or they don't get to hit or something. And 213 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: you know the people that hear that the most are 214 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: the kids, the teammates. 215 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 3: They're usually not complaining in front of the coach. 216 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: Right, So how do we equip the young ladies to 217 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: kind of deal with that? How do they respond to 218 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: somebody that says, you know, why aren't I playing? You know, 219 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: I hit really good in practice the other day and 220 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: it's happened. They're all like true stories. So the junior class, 221 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: we do this little game in front of my assistant 222 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: coaches fireplace. 223 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: It's like the stage and two of the coaches are 224 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: the actors. We grab a junior. She goes up on stage. 225 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: The two coaches talk about whatever the situation is, and 226 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: then they start to engage the junior and she has 227 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: to come up with what she would say to her 228 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: teammate in this situation. And it takes about five to 229 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: ten minutes each each little scenario, and then the others 230 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: clap for her and they sit down and we go. 231 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 3: Okay, how do you think she handled it? 232 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: Does anybody have something maybe that they would do differently 233 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: or say differently? How would you do it? And then 234 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: the coaching staff gives their opinions. Man, Nick, you handled 235 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: that perfectly. What you said at that time, that's money 236 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: right there. That was a perfect response. 237 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: And then we go from there. 238 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: So that is definitely something we do and it's usually 239 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: first week of September, so. 240 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: They kind of have a little practice under their belt 241 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: with that. 242 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: I forget the second part of your question, but we 243 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: do a lot of We have a team retreat in 244 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: the fall. We do a ton of team building. I 245 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: have a classroom actually in our building. Everybody's assigned a 246 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: chair at the beginning of the year. 247 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: So that includes a freshman as well, like do you 248 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 2: go out of your way with freshmen in particularly just 249 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: keep it all together? 250 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: Now. 251 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: We also do like separate things for just a freshman, 252 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: and I'll pick like or four words that really mean 253 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:08,359 Speaker 1: a lot to our program, like grit, legacy, Moodida, servant leadership, 254 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: and just the freshman will come to the classroom. I 255 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: literally set a timer on my phone and I'll say, Hey, 256 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: this is going to be twenty minutes. 257 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: And if I'm still talking and my phone goes off, 258 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 3: you're free to go. We're done. And I usually have 259 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: a little story, I have a video. 260 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: We'll maybe have an alum call in and have her 261 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: say what grit meant to her, what servant leadership meant 262 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: to her, what Medida means to her, and modida is 263 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: having vicarious joy in someone else's success, So the opposite 264 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: would be jealousy or envy, and we don't want any 265 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: of that in our clubhouse and our sport because I 266 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: think that's where teams die, when somebody becomes jealous and 267 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: then they become detached from the program and the team, 268 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: and it's. 269 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 3: Just not a good thing. 270 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you realize that, but we really try 271 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: to teach the culture to the freshman right away. 272 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: So then smooth sailing for the next three years? 273 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: Is it? 274 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: Modida Moudita named you. 275 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: D I t a. 276 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 2: I've never heard that before, and I got to tell you, 277 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: you know, because I've seen it in my professional life, 278 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: and it's like it doesn't matter whether it's a professional 279 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: life or whether it's in a locker room. And I 280 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: never understood this. I never took pleasure in seeing someone 281 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: else struggle, like I want to see someone succeed because 282 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: that reassures me that I can too. I just need 283 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: to do what they do. It's like I just got 284 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 2: to do what this person is doing. But there are 285 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: people out there, particularly in sports, people will pull for 286 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 2: someone to struggle, you know what, I mean, to get 287 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: their shop that I don't believe. I don't know of 288 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: anyone that ever succeeded as a result of that. But 289 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: that is something I'm so glad you brought that, something 290 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: that is real, and it goes on. How do you 291 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: balance that because, let's face it, in order to have 292 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: a really successful program, even for me in my last 293 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: couple of years, when I was the number one catcher 294 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: and I knew I was going to start, But you know, 295 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: coach with Tom, hey, we're bringing this other kid in. 296 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: It's almost like you want to keep some one on 297 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: the edge of their seat a little bit right, keep 298 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: a little sense of urgency so there's no complacency. But 299 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: how do you juggle that competition because you're recruiting new 300 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: players and everyone wants to start. But keep them where 301 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: they can balance the team aspect that and put aside 302 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: their ego if they just didn't win the job. 303 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: Yes, so number one, we have to teach them what 304 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: the bigger picture is. You always have to have the 305 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: bigger picture of mind, and that's getting degree from the 306 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: University of Alabama, being a successful business person for forty 307 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: fifty years after you graduates. 308 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: That's number one. You see the bigger picture. 309 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: Way too many kids and parents only see what's ten 310 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: feet in front of them, and that is just so 311 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: upsetting me when that happens and they don't realize the 312 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: bigger picture is what really truly matters, So we try 313 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: to hammer that home from the very beginning. The second 314 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: thing is, and sometimes this is more for parents than kids, 315 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: but we try to get our young laby. He needs 316 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: to understand they do not have to be on the 317 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: field to help us win. They do not have to 318 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: be playing in a game to help us win. I'm 319 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: gonna love you no matter if. 320 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: You go zero for four, four for four, or are. 321 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: The pinch runner in the sixth inning room. We need 322 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: to run, okay. And you know, in our clubhouse, there's 323 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: a saying right above the hallway to the girls locker room, 324 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: and it says person in bold all caps letters and 325 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: then align and then athlete. So person first, athlete second, 326 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: and it's in gold letters, and it's the only thing 327 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: in our entire clubhouse that's written in gold. Okay, because 328 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: it's not important to us, And the sooner they realize 329 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: that it is the god honest truth that they're more 330 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: important to me as a person than an athlete, that's 331 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: when the magic happens. The sky's the limit with the team, 332 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: the young lady, but I have to do things. I 333 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: have to say things, the team to say things. 334 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 3: We're really really. 335 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: Big in affirmation, and it just it kind of has 336 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: snowballed over the years. But this fall or last ball, 337 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: when we started, it was team twenty seven, which is 338 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: the twenty seven to year valve by the Softball At 339 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: the very first team meeting, I remember saying I want 340 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: affirmation to be just as easily talked about as accountability. 341 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: So we do something called prompts and own its at 342 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: the end of every practice. 343 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: So I'm going to give Nick. 344 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: A prompt and then you say what you loved about Nick, okay, 345 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: And then when everybody's done with the props, I'll say, Okay, 346 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: somebody have an own it. And that means they're going 347 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: to take accountability for maybe a mistake that day, or 348 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't go so hard for a ground ball 349 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: or a fly ball, or they didn't die for a 350 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: ball or whatever it is. So the props are really 351 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: quite easy and they flow, and it's awesome to see 352 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: and they're really good at it. 353 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 3: You know. I was really proud of this team. 354 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: But then when you come to the own it's it's 355 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: not as many, and usually it's maybe one, and then 356 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: maybe the third day there's two, and then maybe the 357 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: two weeks into it, there's like four people, and then 358 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, I really believe that if I can affirm 359 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: the behavior I love in you, Nick, I should be 360 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: able to turn around and say, Nick, you got to 361 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: be better, dude. We need you to win because I 362 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: just affirm something that truly truly love in you. And 363 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: another thing that we always say is you can't be 364 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: fake about it. You have to be genuine with either 365 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: your praise or you know, let's. 366 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 3: Get your head out of your butt. 367 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: So if they realize that they're coming from a good place, 368 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: and when they affirm you, it should be the same 369 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: exact thing when they hold you accountable for something. I 370 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: think it's really really hard for kids nowadays to be 371 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: able to accept the criticism. 372 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 3: They can take the praise right, but to be able 373 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 3: to take the accountability and. 374 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: The criticism as easily as the affirmation. It just does 375 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: wonders for a team, and this team this past year 376 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: for us was probably one of the best I've ever 377 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: had with those two words. 378 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: When we come back Coach Murphy and I discuss self 379 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: esteem and how parent egos can negatively impact their child's success. 380 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: Before we head to break, I have a question for you. 381 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: Are you tired of your current sports management platform? Is 382 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 2: it just not getting the job done? While our partner 383 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 2: and industry leader, Team Snap is making it easier than 384 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: ever to switch to their Team Snap for Business platform 385 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: and unlock fifteen hundred dollars in savings with their exclusive 386 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: Seamless Transition promotion. The offer includes white glove transition services 387 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: to their all in one sports management platform with registration, communication, scheduling, 388 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: and more, all designed to improve experiences for parents, athletes, 389 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: and administrators. You can be up and running on their 390 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 2: platform in three weeks or less if you sign up 391 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: for the Seamless Transition promotion by November fifteenth. Visit teamsnap 392 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: dot com today to register. Offer valid only for new 393 00:18:51,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 2: Team Snap customers with mid to large size organizations. Where 394 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: we left off, Patrick and I were about to talk 395 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: about why he values the intangibles that potential recruits bring 396 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: to the team and the importance of athletes taking eight 397 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: weeks off throughout the year. You're kind of you're getting 398 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: me fired up, because I mean, I love when I hear, 399 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: especially folks at your level who are so successful, say 400 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: things that it's like God, you know, I believe in it, 401 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: you know, and I've lived it, and it's what I 402 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: try to be. And you're not perfect at it. But 403 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: you know, as a parent and as someone I have 404 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 2: six kids, a lot of the audience knows that anywhere 405 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: from my oldest is eighteen, youngest is going to be 406 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: five here soon. It's like, you love your kids. Now, 407 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: I'm a little bit different. I don't like to see 408 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: them struggle, but I look at struggle as a gift, 409 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: you know. I look at struggle as a learning opportunity. 410 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: I look at struggle as this is an opportunity to 411 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 2: get better and no matter what it is. But it 412 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: is very different, especially in the youth. And I hear 413 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: a lot of nightmare stories in the travel softball realm 414 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: where everyone's chasing that thing and and that scholarship piece 415 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: or whatever, and you know, and that god that chase 416 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: starts a day nine ten years old. With parents, and 417 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: you know, it's hard as a parent of times to 418 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: not look at your kid as if they can't do 419 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: any wrong right, the world revolves around them. How important 420 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: isn't though, for parents to allow coaches to coach their 421 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: kid and to allow them to struggle. And have you 422 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: had experiences where you've had kids come on campus where 423 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: they've had very little, if any adversity, and they've been 424 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: told they're great their whole life, and they get there 425 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: in the first sign of struggle that they fold. And 426 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: the opposite, how many kids have you seen really really struggle, 427 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: had to really work their tail off, and then they 428 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: click on all cylinders when they get on campus because 429 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 2: this isn't a new struggle for them. 430 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 3: Both of those. 431 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: But the thing that I still like would bring to 432 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: the forefront with all this is the parent has to 433 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: realize that, you know, the coach. 434 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: Is going to love their kid no matter what she does. 435 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: So it's okay if she's hitting two fifty because the 436 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: coach is okay. I think way too many times, self esteem, ego, 437 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: you name, it is all wrapped up in batting average 438 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: or eer and I've heard it, I've seen it. You know, 439 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: I've seen a young lady give up a home run 440 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: and a travel ball Toronto and the dad literally punches 441 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: a tree that's next to him. 442 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: That's just not good. 443 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: Or the young lady goes oh for four and on 444 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: the ride back to the hotel, not a word is 445 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: said in a car, So all she's thinking to herself 446 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: is my dad only loves me. 447 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 3: If I go four for four or gets a hit. 448 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: That's just not a good, good path to go down 449 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: as a parent. You know, one of the books that 450 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: I recommend to any gentleman that has daughters. And our 451 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: equipment manager just told me yesterday that he's having a daughter. 452 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: I said, okay, dude, I got a book for you. 453 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: And it's called Strong Fathers, Strong Daughters, as by a 454 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: doctor Meg Meeker, and it's m E E K E R. 455 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: And I've read it probably ten times, and it seems 456 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: like and I don't know how many girls you have 457 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: or what's the ratio of the kids, but. 458 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: I got five boys, one girl, a lot of testosterone 459 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: in my house. 460 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: Usually my baseball buddies, that's the opposite. They have three girls, 461 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: four girls, five girls, one boy or no boys. So 462 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: that's why I always recommend this book. But if the 463 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: parent is okay with the kid being a role player, 464 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: the kid will be okay with it. 465 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 3: It's very, very. 466 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: Difficult to get a kid to buy in to be 467 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: a member of the team, to be a part of 468 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: something bigger than what she is if the parent is 469 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: not okay with it, and that is just unfortunately, because 470 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: usually the kids are okay. The kids are fine, we 471 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about the young lady. It's it's 472 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: unfortunately some parents that the ego gets in the way 473 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: and kind of ruins a good situation for the young lady. 474 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 2: The pushback on that would be coach, you know, my 475 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: kids on a great team, and they need exposure because 476 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: they're not going to let the coach. Murphy's not gonna 477 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: see my daughter if they're not getting the same amount 478 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 2: of playtime. And I'm also paying big bucks, you know 479 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: for this, and it's just not fair and YadA, YadA, YadA, 480 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 2: YadA YadA, because let's face it, the exposure piece is 481 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: what I mean. I'm sorry, it seems like that is 482 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: exactly what drives a lot of this. The whole entire travel, 483 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 2: youth sports tourism industry that's you know, growing by leaps 484 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 2: and bounds, and it's a thirty billion dollar roughly industry. 485 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: It's projected by twenty twenty nine to be upwards of 486 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: an eighty billion dollar industry. So it's like, you're spending 487 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: all this money I want to return on my investment. 488 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: How do you coach to the life lessons when it's like, 489 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: because not for nothing, A lot of these parents are 490 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: being pitched the idea that hey play for me and 491 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: I got an in with coach Murphy or I'm just 492 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: using it as an example, but that happens all the time. 493 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: So a lot of times parents are are being manipulated 494 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: in some ways. You know, not in all cases, but 495 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 2: how do you navigate that? 496 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: You know? And when we have camps and clinics, I 497 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: always say, if you want to play. 498 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: At the next level, there's this for everybody. 499 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: And you know an AIA schools win national championships, there's 500 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: JUCO national championships. Every level has a national championship, so 501 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: there's places for everybody. But you have to be honest 502 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: with yourself in terms of where is the spot where 503 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: I need to be? 504 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: Okay, we have a. 505 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: Saying in our program, can you handle thirty seconds of 506 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: embarrassment for a lifetime of learning? Because what I'm about 507 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: to tell you, Nick, you might be a little embarrassed 508 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: about it, but it's probably going to help you for 509 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: a lifetime, So I'll say that probably the first week 510 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: of school I'll use that saying, and then maybe in 511 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: the fall there's a time where I need to say, 512 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: you're a little short on this whatever the whatever the 513 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: situation might be. And then I'll say, do you remember 514 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: what I said about thirty seconds of embarrassment because it 515 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: could happen right now, But do you want a lifetime 516 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: of learning? And you know what the answer always is, yes, sir, 517 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: let me hear it. So you know, and we always 518 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: say you have to be truly honest to your teammates 519 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: in order to be a really good friend. You know, 520 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: you cannot beat around the bush. You have to be 521 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: able to be one hundred percent honest with your teammates 522 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: to help them out. That's that's what they want to hear. 523 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: They want to hear the honest truth. And I think 524 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: it was was it Joe Madden that had the quote 525 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: where it said, you know, if I lie to my players, 526 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: they're going to hate me for life. If I tell 527 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: them the truth, they might dislike me for two weeks. Sure, 528 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, just got to tell them the truth all 529 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: the time, all right. 530 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: I want to ask you this as a legend in coaching, 531 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: but obviously in the sport of softball. Set the record 532 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: straight for softball parents, like, does it matter if a 533 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: kid is a multi sport athlete or does it matter 534 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: if the kid's been playing softball year round since they're eight? 535 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 2: Do you have a preference? Do you think there is 536 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: any correlation to being a multi sport athlete or a 537 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: kid that specialized and plays a softball year around that 538 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: they're better or worse or is it all an individual 539 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 2: case by case? Like where do you stand and is 540 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: there a right or wrong? 541 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: I absolutely love multi sport kids. Boy girl, I feel 542 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: like once you're done with your softball, baseball, basketball, whatever 543 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: it is that you play that you're like primary. I 544 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: think it gives your entire body, your mental outlook, everything, 545 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: a chance to be able to just take a deep breath. 546 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: You know. 547 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: Let's say you play baseball in the summer in the 548 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: fall and then you want to play basketball, Go for it. 549 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 3: Do it. 550 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: It's different muscles, and you know, one of the coolest 551 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: things about it is you might not start in basketball. 552 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: You're probably the top dog in baseball or softball, but 553 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to basketball, you love it. But you're 554 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: like the six seventh to eight person. You know how 555 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: many life lessons you're going to learn there. But you know, 556 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: one of the questions we always ask every recruit is 557 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: have you always been in the starting lineup? And if not, 558 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: how did you handle that? 559 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 3: What happened? 560 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: You know? 561 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: And almost every single time, obviously they start it in softball, but. 562 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: Then the young lady will say, well, you know, I 563 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: did play basketball, and shoot, I really got on the court. 564 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: And then I said, well, how did you handle that? 565 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: She said, I loved it, I loved the team. We 566 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: were really good. So you know, you try to ask 567 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: all these leading questions because what I'm getting at is, 568 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: if you come here and you don't play, what is 569 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: it going to be like? Because best case scenario, Nick, 570 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: you're going to start every gamut catcher. Yeah, case scenario, 571 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: you're not going to play. How do you handle it? 572 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: And I don't think a lot of people think about it. 573 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 2: When you you mentioned the recruiting piece of it, like 574 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 2: how much of an impact for you are the parents like? 575 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: Did an impact? Negatively? If dad is punching the tree, 576 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: are you like, dude, I don't want that guy? That's 577 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: that that could be a problem. 578 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: Yes, Unfortunately, that's not something that we would recruit. That's 579 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: not somebody we would recruit for sure. I like to 580 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: see they go over four and they strike out three times. 581 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 1: I'm usually trying to go as close to the dugout 582 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: as we possibly can to see how she's handling that. 583 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: Does she go to the end of the dugout out 584 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 3: and throw her stuff or does she put her stuff, you. 585 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,959 Speaker 1: Know, in the helmet rack, put her bat down, take 586 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: her batting gloves off, and then get in the front 587 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: of the dug out and start cheering for the next kid. 588 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: You know. 589 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: I think you tell a lot by watching a kid 590 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: when they fail versus you know, the starters shoot, they 591 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: love and everything. Right, that's easy to be a starter. 592 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: The hardest thing is to not be a starter and 593 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: still pull for the team, you know, and can you 594 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: do that? 595 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 2: So? 596 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: And you know, the role player to me is the 597 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: reason why we win championships and why we're successful because 598 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: they have good vibe about them and they cheer for 599 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 1: the person in front of them. Now, they don't give up, 600 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: and they don't settle. Like you said at the very 601 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: beginning of this, I don't want anybody settling because then 602 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of a waste of a spot on the roster. 603 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: I want you to push the starter. 604 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: Of the time and make her better because if you 605 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: both get better, the team is going to get better. 606 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: Coach. 607 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: As we wrap up here, you got the mic right, 608 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: You're a set in the stage, You're on the podium. 609 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: You're speaking to a room full of five hundred at 610 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: student athletes and their parents in there. You know, there 611 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: anywhere from eighth grade to a junior in high school. 612 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: These are all kids that want to come play at Alabama. 613 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 2: They want to play softball for you, or they just 614 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: want to get to the next level. What do they 615 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 2: have to do to get on your radar? What are 616 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: the things that you're looking for to be a part 617 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: of your program. 618 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 3: Well, I think number one is. 619 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: And it's probably the most boring thing in the world, 620 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: but be good at the fundamentals of anything in whatever 621 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: sports you're playing. So when a coach sees you, they 622 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: secret things and everything you know, and softball and baseball 623 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: season for me, throw run hit field, you know, like, 624 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And you should be able to walk 625 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: past a field and say, shure, that's an athlete. Wow, 626 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: look at her. I'll give you a little background on 627 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: that too. Is one of the questions we ask everybody 628 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: is if you come to Alabama, what type of intangible 629 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: would you bring to the program? And then I always say, 630 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: do you know what an intangible is? And sometimes they don't, 631 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: sometimes they do. Tangible is something you can't see, touch 632 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: or feel, and it's something inside you. A tangible thing 633 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: is when I walk across the field and I look 634 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: over my shoulder, I see, wow, she can throw, she 635 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: can hit, she can feel as an athlete, she can run. 636 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: But that's easy. Anybody can see that. You know, my 637 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: mom could walk across the field and say, wow, she's 638 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: a good athlete. But what I want to know is 639 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: what's inside you, which is the bigger picture. What would 640 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: you bring to the program if you came to us 641 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: that I don't know yet, Like what's inside your heart? 642 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 3: What type of kid are you? What type of person 643 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 3: are you? 644 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: What type of leadership trade could you bring that I 645 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: don't know about you? And when I asked that question, 646 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: the parents are just they know everything about the young 647 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: lady and they want to talk for her, and sometimes 648 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: they even like sit on their hands. 649 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 3: Because they're about to talk. 650 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: And I realize that the young lady needs to answer 651 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: the question. And some of the answers and Nick had 652 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: just been would just blow you out of the water. 653 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. And those are the kids I want 654 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: in the program. But see the bigger picture. Work hard 655 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: on the fundamental obviously, kind to have the grades, you know, 656 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: to get any school, be a well rounded kid, because 657 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: there's way too many injuries nowadays, you know, after done 658 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: in high school, in summer ball, it's just way, way 659 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: too many. 660 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: It's overused. 661 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: You know, the best orthopedic in the world was doctor 662 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: Andrews and Birmingham and yeah, he had come over to 663 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: Alabama one time. They talk to all the string coaches 664 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: out like trainers and coaches because there was this rash 665 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: of shoulder injuries. And I'll never forget if he said, 666 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, every athlete needs to take eight weeks off 667 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: of their activity in a year. Eight weeks, so put 668 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: down the football, put down the baseball, put down the bat, 669 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: whatever it is. 670 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: And he didn't. He didn't mean he had to. 671 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: Do it consecutively, like two months off, but just sit 672 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: it down and stay in shape. 673 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: Whatever. 674 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: And when I say that at coaches clinics, almost every 675 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: single time I get a coach who's usually a dad 676 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: that comes up and says, did you say eight. 677 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 3: Days or eight weeks? And I spent eight weeks. 678 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: Just take some time off, And it just it drives 679 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: me nuts when I see the tweets that say hashtag 680 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: no days off. Yes, there needs to be days off, 681 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of them. 682 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: I freaking love it. Doctor Andrews, that's the goat in 683 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: this space, and I've read his research and seen his works. 684 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: It's mine about Coach. I can't thank you enough for 685 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: coming on and sharing. You sound a lot. You and 686 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: coach I have Coach Tim Corbin on episode one, and 687 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: you guys have a lot in common. He talks a 688 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 2: lot about the classroom and you know, with his coaching, 689 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: philosophy and teaching, you remind me a lot of Coach Corps. 690 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: So guys are both stud So I can't thank you 691 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: enough for coming on to Sharon. This has been freaking awesome. 692 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and that's a great comparison. I respect 693 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: the heck out of Coach Corbyn. 694 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: Well, I wish you the best of luck, and you know, 695 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure you're gonna have another hell of a year. 696 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: But I can't thank you enough. 697 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 3: Coach, Thank you very much. 698 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: That's Patrick Murphy, head softball coach at the University of Alabama. 699 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Reform Sports Podcast. If you've 700 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: enjoyed this episode, we would appreciate it if you took 701 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: a moment to rate and review our podcast. As we 702 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: work to grow our community of supporters and advocates for 703 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: more reform sports content, please subscribe to our newsletter and 704 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: blog at Reformsports Project dot com. You can also follow 705 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and LinkedIn.