Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl drama, girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride at
Speaker 1: our comic girl cheering for the right drama queens up
Speaker 1: girl fashion. But you'll tough. Girls. You could sit with
Speaker 1: us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama drawn
Speaker 1: McQueen's Drama Queens. Oh, hello, friends in One tree, hell family,
Speaker 1: this is an exciting episode for us today. We we
Speaker 1: are on season two, episode eight, Bitter Truth, Brook, Haley,
Speaker 1: and Anna have a summer party in Haley's apartment where
Speaker 1: secrets and lies are revealed and there's a pillow fight. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Lucas and Nathan go on a road trip to a
Speaker 1: Bobcat's game and Nathan reveals he is actually being tested
Speaker 1: for the genetic defect that caused Dan's heart attack and
Speaker 1: asks Lucas to do the same. After an awkward encounter
Speaker 1: with Keith and Jules, Karen and Andy Sharon spicy night
Speaker 1: together and this episode honestly give me more. When she said, oh,
Speaker 1: professor I almost passed out. Um, But guys, this episode
Speaker 1: started in such an like a deeply nostalgic place for
Speaker 1: me because this is the opener where Brooke Davis drops
Speaker 1: the line about diaries, how good girls keep diaries and
Speaker 1: bad girls don't have time, and oh man, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is about that line, but it it
Speaker 1: really put me in all my feelings. At the top
Speaker 1: of the episode, I mean, like, do we want evidence?
Speaker 1: Do we want that trail of bread combs where people
Speaker 1: know what we've been up to me? No, you gotta
Speaker 1: light that paper trail on fire. Listen. I was literally
Speaker 1: with a girlfriend of mine this morning having coffee, and
Speaker 1: she was telling me about her grandmother, her like scandalous grandmother,
Speaker 1: and when her grandmother died, she had a box of
Speaker 1: letters that she was that she ordered the grandchildren to
Speaker 1: burn and they sat there at the fire. They're like,
Speaker 1: do we read them? Do we read them? Bad girls?
Speaker 1: Bad girls burn the letters. That's what happens. Um Alright,
Speaker 1: so we don't have joy with us this week. We
Speaker 1: have a fabulous guest joining us in just a little
Speaker 1: bit a big treat. But before we get into anything,
Speaker 1: I want to address that this was such a big
Speaker 1: episode for Haley because when the stars go blue, you know,
Speaker 1: burst out onto the scene that has become kind of
Speaker 1: a calling card for our show. The fans love it.
Speaker 1: I've seen tyler An eight billion times. Um. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: such an iconic thing where Haley is finally like finding
Speaker 1: her groove with Chris Keller. Um, and I loved I
Speaker 1: love watching There's There's Spice together. I love it. The
Speaker 1: chemistry between those two is so good. Hillary and I
Speaker 1: were screaming while we were watching the episode about how
Speaker 1: the chemistry between them and that booth gave us both goosebumps.
Speaker 1: We were like, we're both sometimes I think that we're
Speaker 1: like Haley Mills from The Parent Traps. She's got goose
Speaker 1: bumps too. Um. Yes, George is in my lap right now.
Speaker 1: So if you hear iPad, that's what that is. She
Speaker 1: also loves tree Hill girl time, which we had a
Speaker 1: lot of in this episode. Um. They look so good
Speaker 1: together and they sing so well together. And he puts
Speaker 1: Haley in a you know, he he kind of uses
Speaker 1: all this gross language where he's like singing from somewhere deeper,
Speaker 1: show me the thing you don't show anywhere else, and
Speaker 1: it sounds growdy, but also he's making a point, you know,
Speaker 1: like you've been able to mail this in you know
Speaker 1: your tutor girl. Yeah. He he really says to her,
Speaker 1: granted in creepy Chris Keller language, but he says to
Speaker 1: her that she has to dig deeper and get vulnerable.
Speaker 1: She needs to put her feelings out on the line.
Speaker 1: She needs to reveal passion because you can hear it
Speaker 1: and it's missing. You're not into the song. And what
Speaker 1: I love about it is it's such a it's such
Speaker 1: a part of this bigger metaphor that's going on with Haley.
Speaker 1: And and Haley says, you know in the sleepover, enjoys
Speaker 1: so beautiful. In the scene, she says, you know, I
Speaker 1: just want something that's just for me. It's not for
Speaker 1: my family, it's not for Nathan, It's for me. And
Speaker 1: Chris can help me get it. And and when she says,
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to be able to to
Speaker 1: go for it, and we're all sitting there going, oh,
Speaker 1: what like a guy? And these girls get to admit
Speaker 1: that the double standard is hard for them even as teenagers,
Speaker 1: seeing that guys are allowed to make mistakes and be
Speaker 1: into people and have feelings, whether they're anger or sexual
Speaker 1: or you know, goals whatever, It's all fine, you know,
Speaker 1: she says, Nathan never has to make excuses for what
Speaker 1: he wants. And and it's this beautiful moment where these
Speaker 1: girls each together. You feel their determination to do things
Speaker 1: a little differently, but they also don't have a roadmap.
Speaker 1: They don't know how. But didn't you feel that way
Speaker 1: growing up? I mean while even while the boys, I
Speaker 1: feel that we're allowed to be lots of different things,
Speaker 1: and you know, I I just remember feeling like, who's
Speaker 1: going to take me? Seriously? You know, when you're a
Speaker 1: teen drama actor, you can go on and do other stuff, right,
Speaker 1: You're like James Vanderbeek and you're getting cast and you know,
Speaker 1: like cool stuff on your hiatus. But when you're a
Speaker 1: teen drama girl, you're kind of treated like, oh, you
Speaker 1: little idiot, you know. And I always felt like, how
Speaker 1: do I make you understand? How do I make you
Speaker 1: see that I'm smart and capable and that I'm driven?
Speaker 1: And that's what these four girls at the Somber party
Speaker 1: are talking about. And and hell, yes, I mean give
Speaker 1: me a break. All the dumb shirt the boys did
Speaker 1: and we can say that because we're a family, we
Speaker 1: love them. They never got criticized for any of it.
Speaker 1: They never got dragged over the coals, and they did
Speaker 1: ship that's weight dumber than we did. Yeah, I mean well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean I I had a lot of fun in
Speaker 1: Wilmington's I did a lot of that. I was so
Speaker 1: self conscious about, like going out and dancing till two am,
Speaker 1: Like I thought for sure I was going to be
Speaker 1: just crucified for that. And I remember hearing people be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Katie Holmes during Dawson's Creek would dance on top of
Speaker 1: a bar. Good thing. No one ever found out about that,
Speaker 1: And in my head, I'm like, well, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: Like just having a good time. The boys all did
Speaker 1: it too, so that double standard is definitely triggering for
Speaker 1: me and I. We both were like, who wrote this episode?
Speaker 1: Because it was clear it was a woman. She nailed it. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: Stacy rook Eiser, who has gone on to work on
Speaker 1: shows that we really respect a lot. I loved Unreal too.
Speaker 1: Unreal was such a good show because it just stripped
Speaker 1: away from making television. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was really brilliant.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because we were you know, we've talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about narcissism and things on our show before,
Speaker 1: and there's a a central tenant to like what happens
Speaker 1: when you're in a relationship with a narcissist, which is
Speaker 1: you aren't really looked at as a person. You're looked
Speaker 1: at as supply product. You're just a product. And that's
Speaker 1: what it was like for us going through some of
Speaker 1: the things we went through on our show. Nobody cared
Speaker 1: about our feelings or experiences or our mental health because
Speaker 1: we were a product. And exactly that's what they love
Speaker 1: to tell us. And and there was something about watching
Speaker 1: Unreal where they showed you and you said this last week,
Speaker 1: you know, when you get to show it, not necessarily
Speaker 1: say it. They showed you the reality of treating people
Speaker 1: like products to make something, and it's gross and it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be that way. You know, we've all
Speaker 1: gone on to work on things where we're having the
Speaker 1: opposite experience while we're making the things we love to make.
Speaker 1: Were so cry at the end of the day, been
Speaker 1: so nice here. I really love it, and so it's
Speaker 1: really cool to have watched that show. It made me
Speaker 1: feel like somebody got it. And to know that that
Speaker 1: Stacy went to do that show. Having been on our show,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I want to ask her so
Speaker 1: many questions. I can't wait to get her on. We
Speaker 1: have to get her on this podcast. Because she also
Speaker 1: did on tober Road with Greenberg. You know, she had
Speaker 1: an opening. She was like, I'm gonna go do this
Speaker 1: other thing with our beloved Jake Jibelski and by the way,
Speaker 1: just to pick up her some more because we're so
Speaker 1: impressed with everything she's ever done. Stacy also created one
Speaker 1: of the biggest hit shows in the last like five
Speaker 1: years of sex Life is huge, and you know she's
Speaker 1: making a show about a woman's desire and exposing how
Speaker 1: taboo we still think that is. It is and wow,
Speaker 1: I'm just anyway, We're we're Stacy. If you're listening, we
Speaker 1: love you, and we think that's all. Hey, but it
Speaker 1: was deaf lea clear in the slumber party, from the fight,
Speaker 1: the iconic fight. Yes, you know there's I'm not proud
Speaker 1: of every single scene that Payton's ever been a part of.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some real clunky stuff that I did
Speaker 1: over the years, and I think we all feel that way.
Speaker 1: But then there are certain scenes where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this was magic. This was lightning in a bottle. And
Speaker 1: there's a reason that people like use this as gifts
Speaker 1: and they post this scene on the internet and fans
Speaker 1: talk about it at conventions because when all of us
Speaker 1: girls are calling each other out for our lives, that
Speaker 1: is such an important part of female friendship. It is
Speaker 1: something that I've lived personally, you know, and like we
Speaker 1: you Joy and I have sat around and like had
Speaker 1: these topics where it's like, wait, you said, what what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Let's clear the air, but what
Speaker 1: about this um It makes total sense that a woman
Speaker 1: was like boys, step aside, I'm gonna handle this one well.
Speaker 1: And what I loved was get to the end of
Speaker 1: it and you realize that there is a very human
Speaker 1: tendency to keep secrets about things that you haven't figured
Speaker 1: out or that you feel shame about. But the central
Speaker 1: tenant of the Somber Party is you, as as Peyton saying,
Speaker 1: I want us to be better friends. I want us
Speaker 1: It's like, I want us be able to talk about
Speaker 1: stuff even when it's ugly, especially when it's ugly. I
Speaker 1: think that like that, or when it's hard, yeah that,
Speaker 1: And that's the notion is that we should be better friends.
Speaker 1: Let's be the kinds of friends who really talk about
Speaker 1: everything and who can be a safe space to talk
Speaker 1: about everything together. And I just really loved to The
Speaker 1: slumber party is a sacred space in American culture. That is,
Speaker 1: it's like going to church. You go to your slumber party,
Speaker 1: you make your confessions. Maybe like take some sacramtical what
Speaker 1: is it, sacramental wine, a sacramental face mask. Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: So when you were going to the all girls high
Speaker 1: schoo did you guys have summer parties that were you
Speaker 1: so sick of each other by the end of the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We slept over at each other's houses
Speaker 1: all the time. It was so fun. And I think
Speaker 1: it was, you know, part of how you learned to
Speaker 1: be a little independent, because you know, you weren't staying
Speaker 1: at home, but you were like staying at a house
Speaker 1: where your best friend's parents were maybe yeah you know, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. It's like finding your independence and just wanting
Speaker 1: to be with your friends all the time, not just
Speaker 1: in school. The people I picked, yeah, these are my
Speaker 1: people were forming our little village. What what was it
Speaker 1: like at Parkview, Well, we started making movies. That was
Speaker 1: like you know, I kind of made all my friends
Speaker 1: do what I wanted to do. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: make movies, and so all my girlfriends were like, okay,
Speaker 1: so we would make all these like terrible movies, like
Speaker 1: The Virgin's Revenge. We definitely made one called the Virgin's Revenge.
Speaker 1: That someone's VHS somewhere about all the sluts named Crystal
Speaker 1: who were murdered. You know. It's like when Scream came
Speaker 1: out and it was Crystal with the C and Crystal
Speaker 1: with a K, and they were really mean and this
Speaker 1: virgin at school that they picked on murdered them. Um.
Speaker 1: So that like, we had so much fun making stuff
Speaker 1: because you have fun doing it and then you have
Speaker 1: fun watching it, and then it becomes an inside joke. Um.
Speaker 1: And so here we are, you know what, years later,
Speaker 1: and my girlfriends and I are still joking about The
Speaker 1: Virgin's Revenge and threatening to play it at each other's
Speaker 1: weddings and things. Um. Yeah, it's a good time. And
Speaker 1: I I don't know, I worry sometimes that the things
Speaker 1: that we showed on One Tree Hill weren't accurate, but
Speaker 1: I feel like this episode, these female conversations were incredibly accurate. Um.
Speaker 1: I like that and the way that, you know, the
Speaker 1: way that Stacy wrote it. They got to call each
Speaker 1: other out, but it was more it felt more like
Speaker 1: a calling in. It wasn't biggy No. What was under it,
Speaker 1: at least as a viewer now, was why didn't you
Speaker 1: tell me about this? Why did you do that? And
Speaker 1: are you okay? You know when when Peyton having done
Speaker 1: drugs with Rick is revealed, it's like, you're not going
Speaker 1: to do that again? Are you? Like? Are you okay?
Speaker 1: And I love what Peyton says to Broke when she's
Speaker 1: trying to act like she's in control of this whole
Speaker 1: situation with Felix, and you realize that Brooke is still
Speaker 1: so hurt from that betrayal with Lucas, that it broke
Speaker 1: her idea of falling in love and that she's trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to control a relationship. And and
Speaker 1: you say the sweetest thing, you say, this is less
Speaker 1: than you. It is though it really is, and it
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I loved it because you
Speaker 1: realize is that you know, Brooks kind of puffing her
Speaker 1: chest up and pretending to be somebody she really isn't. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, there was the whole we We've talked at
Speaker 1: length about them trying to sexy up our show every
Speaker 1: time they get a chance. And then I feel like
Speaker 1: when we get our female writers in, it's like they
Speaker 1: reel it back in, you know. It's like they come
Speaker 1: and they put the band aid on it and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you've shown her naked in the pool, and you've shown
Speaker 1: her like sprawled out on this or that. Now we're
Speaker 1: going to provide the subtext and you know, like make
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Um. So I like that pendulum swing
Speaker 1: um too. And one of the things I realized now
Speaker 1: as an adult looking at these characters and especially broken Peyton,
Speaker 1: as best friends who didn't have healthy relationships modeled for them,
Speaker 1: is beginning to see where on our show we're getting
Speaker 1: to model healthy relationships. And that I think is where
Speaker 1: the stellar Karen and Andy storyline comes in. They are
Speaker 1: having like a really intellectual and romantic courtship. They're connecting
Speaker 1: over art and travel and and I don't know, I
Speaker 1: love their energy so much, and I love that when
Speaker 1: they have, uh, you know, a hurdle, it's it's over ethics.
Speaker 1: It's because there's a misdirect Karen thinks that he didn't
Speaker 1: read her paper and he gave her an a because
Speaker 1: they're dating. And then he does this beautiful you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of shakes her emotionally and says, like, stop it.
Speaker 1: You're so much more prepared for this than you think
Speaker 1: you are. You've owned a business and been a single mom.
Speaker 1: You're good at this. Have more faith in yourself. Killed me.
Speaker 1: We definitely wrote that one down. A mom and a
Speaker 1: businesswoman has prepared you in ways you don't recognize. I
Speaker 1: love him. Should we bring boyfriend in? I think it's
Speaker 1: time guys are boyfriends here today? Um friends, We've got
Speaker 1: the one and only Andy with us, Karen Hutchinson, bring
Speaker 1: him in. Hello, Hi, bud Hi, here in Hi. Where
Speaker 1: are you got? Well? So set the ranch? The ranch? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's in California and I'm in New York. I'm at
Speaker 1: the farm. We all turned into agricultural people. How the
Speaker 1: hell did that happens? So? Yeah, are you farming? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? My friend? Farming? Suburban life? Perfect? Listen,
Speaker 1: the suburbs are wild. I'm intimidated by the suburbs. Um.
Speaker 1: The last time I saw you, I feel like, was
Speaker 1: Tyler Hilton's wedding. I was just thinking that. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would have been Tyler Hilton's um and and Sophia. I
Speaker 1: feel like we have a mutual friend, right, Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: we started a birthday party. They talk about the same time,
Speaker 1: like five years ago or something. Yes, yes, he back
Speaker 1: when people could like go out and wander around and
Speaker 1: conquergat h that sounds nice. Now we're just doing a podcast. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have heard any of our episodes,
Speaker 1: but we sure gush about you do. Um. Andy was
Speaker 1: a sensation. Uh, walk us through, walk us through how
Speaker 1: you became Andy? Andy? Yeah, it was so fun watching
Speaker 1: the episode last night too. By the way, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen any of this for, you know, so long. It's
Speaker 1: a time cat wild. Yeah. It had a great idea
Speaker 1: of doing this to you guys. Must pay them a
Speaker 1: great time just seeing it all again. It's a funny.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Okay, So how would I do? I? Um, Well, auditions,
Speaker 1: remember it was quite a few auditions. It felt like
Speaker 1: three four you know, produces, prereades, all that stuff back
Speaker 1: when you used to go into rooms as well, you know,
Speaker 1: back in the old days. Yeah, and uh yeah, and
Speaker 1: the wad thing you know, it was American accident, no
Speaker 1: way true. You know, he was just you know, the professor.
Speaker 1: That was the thing. And on the last day, I
Speaker 1: remember when I went in, uh, it was just with
Speaker 1: Mark and and there was only one other guy who
Speaker 1: went in before me. That's one of those weird things
Speaker 1: where he came out looking you know that look you
Speaker 1: give when you know you didn't do it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I've never I don't know who this guy is.
Speaker 1: But I was like, okay, well I guess I should
Speaker 1: do well then try to um. And then I went
Speaker 1: in and uh, and Mark was like, oh, so I
Speaker 1: found out over night that you're not from America and
Speaker 1: that you're from New Zealand. I wouldn't mind hearing it
Speaker 1: in that accent, just you know, just something different, which
Speaker 1: I don't love doing because you know, when you learn
Speaker 1: it one way, you kind of you have to switch quickly,
Speaker 1: feel like a big switch. Yeah. Well for me, I'm
Speaker 1: a bit better these days, but from back then it
Speaker 1: used to be a bit more anxiety driven because I
Speaker 1: would I would learn it, you know, by the lines,
Speaker 1: rather than just switching into the accents. So yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: end up with this weird hybrid sometimes mid Pacific, you
Speaker 1: know where you sound like Madonna after she moved not
Speaker 1: either place. Yeah, but to be honest, it did. It
Speaker 1: did relax things. And he remember him saying, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the lines made more sense because he was
Speaker 1: so he had been traveling and he was still about
Speaker 1: different columns and stuff, and he was like, that kind
Speaker 1: of works, and I think that might have been the
Speaker 1: thing that put it over the top, which is nice.
Speaker 1: And there's always the news in my connection with One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill anyway, because that's a monument in Auckland where Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then became the U two song, which I think
Speaker 1: is where you know our show title came from. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: did you grow up acting? Yeah? I mean since I
Speaker 1: left high school professionally, but um yeah, I was always
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, you know, in school plays
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. What was literally Andy Duode? We
Speaker 1: loved the Little Lucas. Where's that little Lucas? That tiny
Speaker 1: trick t shirt? We did a spit take and where
Speaker 1: was face? When you do it? Just she starts to
Speaker 1: talk and then just swallows her own breath and looks
Speaker 1: at the floor. It's it's so delicious watch it was
Speaker 1: very right. Remember trying not to laugh from to take
Speaker 1: when you did that? Were you doing musical theater as
Speaker 1: a kid? Did your whole family act? What's this? Um? No,
Speaker 1: not not an acting family at all. My dad was
Speaker 1: and it was an ambulance chief actually, so we we
Speaker 1: didn't come from an acting family. I just get bit
Speaker 1: by the bug. I guess when I was, you know,
Speaker 1: was eighties movies just got me. Yeah, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for it. I'm in you know, and
Speaker 1: uh and then I couldn't never saying. So it was
Speaker 1: not musical theater. I talk, I talk talk song my
Speaker 1: way through the dentist oh and a little shop of
Speaker 1: I thought you were a great dentist. Was It was
Speaker 1: pretty fun because I'm an Elvis fan too, something I
Speaker 1: understood my own and uh and and you didn't really
Speaker 1: have to sing this. So that's as close as I got.
Speaker 1: But but the way thing about New Zealand in is
Speaker 1: there was really definitely for television and film. It wasn't
Speaker 1: much of an industry. You know, it's different there is huge.
Speaker 1: My husband and I talked about moving to New Zealand
Speaker 1: all the time. Sofia, have you been honestly same? I
Speaker 1: am like ready to pack my bags and just go. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. It's a great place to go for
Speaker 1: the apocalypse. Yes, we were you there during the apocalypse.
Speaker 1: Did you get to escape escape from l A. No,
Speaker 1: it actually was really difficult to get We we thought
Speaker 1: about it. We thought about it, to be honest. With
Speaker 1: the election got the other way we might have. But
Speaker 1: same to go now. Yeah, we're packing the hand down
Speaker 1: the road, so we'll stick around. But no, So I
Speaker 1: haven't actually been back for little while. But it's funny
Speaker 1: because you know, growing up in the eighties, it was
Speaker 1: always the Cold Warrior, right, and we were like the
Speaker 1: one country. I remember when I was like, which is
Speaker 1: kind of terrible, but you're eight years old and you're going,
Speaker 1: all right, New Zealand is actually gonna be okay, We're fine.
Speaker 1: It's still true. Well, when we were there, we were
Speaker 1: there a few years ago, and I remember walking through
Speaker 1: this city and not feeling like there was any danger anywhere.
Speaker 1: And I'm someone who moved to New York in September
Speaker 1: eleven happened, you know, and so so my you know,
Speaker 1: body is just trained to be in chaos whenever there's
Speaker 1: a crowd and New Zealand was the first time I
Speaker 1: ever felt all the weight to come off. Everyone there
Speaker 1: is so nice and engaging and lovely, and so of
Speaker 1: course we find magical Andy from New Zealand. I love
Speaker 1: that lovely stuff about my my home that makes me
Speaker 1: feel good. It's it's a lovely place. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: so fun we were talking about I guess it would
Speaker 1: have been two episodes ago where Andy takes Karen to
Speaker 1: his home, which we were laughing really when got its
Speaker 1: early gardens, like it's literally a botanical garden, it's perfect um.
Speaker 1: But when you're walking with her under that sort of
Speaker 1: stone pergola, it's so lovely to hear you telling her
Speaker 1: about home. About one tree hill in Auckland. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: in the dialogue and you talk about it and how
Speaker 1: how your your you know, your favorite person on earth
Speaker 1: is your single mom who saw a tree hill on
Speaker 1: the map and decided it would be a good place
Speaker 1: to transplant to. And I remember we were all discussing
Speaker 1: just how honest the scene felt, and how there was
Speaker 1: subtext but also exposition that felt right, and how you
Speaker 1: saw what Andy was drawn to and Karen and you
Speaker 1: saw that she for the first time having gotten the
Speaker 1: travel bug. Going to Italy felt like someone understood her
Speaker 1: in a larger context than who she is in this
Speaker 1: small town. We are real big fans of this relationship.
Speaker 1: Is the point, it's really really well done, you guys.
Speaker 1: You just made something so beautiful. What was it feel
Speaker 1: Did it feel like a big deal when you were
Speaker 1: doing it? Did it feel um, you know, really honest
Speaker 1: and alive? Or was it like I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing here in North Carolina? Like what was your
Speaker 1: experience when you got there, you know and enjoined our circus? Right? Um? No,
Speaker 1: it was it did feel Um, it did feel like
Speaker 1: something special. It wasn't. This is this is one of
Speaker 1: the you know, the jobs you have. This this was
Speaker 1: a really nice job. And um. The interesting thing for
Speaker 1: me is obviously I would come in and out, you know,
Speaker 1: you know it was commuting, you know, I go back home,
Speaker 1: Um when I wasn't needed and where was at that point?
Speaker 1: It was like point yeah, Um, I sort of put
Speaker 1: down routes like I got married a year before, Like
Speaker 1: the idea was sort of to come and go and
Speaker 1: you know too, I would have got coming back and
Speaker 1: forth from New Zealand when I was trying to get
Speaker 1: work here. But I met Nicole and was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so this at home, so I was here. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: still is that life happens to you. And then but
Speaker 1: then going out to North Carolina, so yeah, I would
Speaker 1: come on in and and I would see you guys
Speaker 1: socially because they didn't have a lot of scenes with
Speaker 1: a lot of other characters, which is interesting and it
Speaker 1: sort of gets siloed off. But then I was sidled
Speaker 1: off with more and that was incredible. So I did
Speaker 1: feel I felt like I was learning a lot from her.
Speaker 1: I knew her work a lot through the nineties just
Speaker 1: as a movie fan, and and my wife was a
Speaker 1: big fan of The Cutting Edge exactly. So when Nicole
Speaker 1: came out and visited, we went over to h to
Speaker 1: dinner with the more In her husband and she found
Speaker 1: girls out so that was fun. So just in general,
Speaker 1: the more Um thing, uh made me realize that, no,
Speaker 1: this is this is a really good opportunity for me
Speaker 1: to grow into to meet her when she's at and too,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to create something out of it because I
Speaker 1: liked it too. I thought all the storylines were really
Speaker 1: sweet with those two, So yeah, it was great. Well,
Speaker 1: there was such a love affair that the fans had
Speaker 1: for the whole like Keith karen back story. Did you
Speaker 1: feel pressure coming in to you know, be a good guy,
Speaker 1: like someone who could fill those shoes. No. And the
Speaker 1: reason is I hadn't really been watching. I knew I
Speaker 1: was piecing this together almost the same way that Andy was,
Speaker 1: which I had on which we see in this episode
Speaker 1: when they show up at the same restaurant and Andy's like,
Speaker 1: what's the problem here? He's the only one who doesn't know,
Speaker 1: just like in a tennis match, looking back and forth.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of acting going on there, But
Speaker 1: I was no and I thin obviously I understood in
Speaker 1: the in the in the lodger, I understood the larger
Speaker 1: job of being the third wheel who was destined to
Speaker 1: lose at some point, which you understand that, and I
Speaker 1: think that actually takes the pressure off. It's more like, well,
Speaker 1: this is what's happening here with these people, and I
Speaker 1: understand that the fans are gonna have a different relationship
Speaker 1: because of the Keith thing. Um it does it does
Speaker 1: give you that, It gives you pause of like, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you hook into you know,
Speaker 1: putting this across in the way the people are going
Speaker 1: to enjoy, whether it's gonna hate you, you know, because
Speaker 1: sometimes you've had other things when you're the third wheel
Speaker 1: or I've been that other jobs where I've been the Keith,
Speaker 1: and it's tough for that others, and sometimes you know
Speaker 1: how it's done, you know. So I just sort of
Speaker 1: left in. I went, oh, we'll see, I'm gonna kiss her.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kiss the hell out of her. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be so cute I do it. So the last episode
Speaker 1: was in Trick, and we could not figure out what
Speaker 1: the age difference was between Hearen and Andy, because they
Speaker 1: make such a big deal out of it. Do you remever,
Speaker 1: what was supposed to be? I No, I don't know specifically,
Speaker 1: but I think I was. I think I was playing
Speaker 1: slightly younger than myself. I mean I was thirty, I
Speaker 1: turned thirty when I when I when I did this
Speaker 1: was pre so you guys, holy crap, right, we survived,
Speaker 1: and I was I think I was supposed to be
Speaker 1: playing at feen years younger, like mid twenties or something.
Speaker 1: So she maybe it's ten years roughly, okay, but they
Speaker 1: did lean into that right. They were like very much like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, this would never happen. Remember on that
Speaker 1: scene too, I think that was when we met in
Speaker 1: that scene, right, well yeah, because Peyton's all like, oh, hello,
Speaker 1: introduced me to your friend. I get that I'm a
Speaker 1: junior in high school, but I know, And that was
Speaker 1: that's when I were these girls are actually a lot younger. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it was hard to separate fact from fiction because
Speaker 1: we're all like going out to bars and rest drawn
Speaker 1: with each other after work. I was meeting you as
Speaker 1: you guys like yeah, okay, no, they're juveniles, very illegal
Speaker 1: friend sweet little babies. Um. Yeah, the Andy trajectory is
Speaker 1: so um kind of like dream dude. You know he's
Speaker 1: got that Jake Ryan from sixteen Candles energy, It was
Speaker 1: that your inspiration. Is that what you drew from the
Speaker 1: eighties movies? Yeah, it's a good it's a good reference.
Speaker 1: I UM remember him saying that they were trying to
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that Jenny Gruffalo said once about George
Speaker 1: Clooney and he are he was. She was like, so
Speaker 1: he's a pediatrician with an alcohol problem and he's you know,
Speaker 1: loves kids. I'm not made of wood when it comes
Speaker 1: to the writing, you know what I mean, It's like,
Speaker 1: you got I'm not made of wood. And I feel
Speaker 1: like some of Andy's writing was like that. It's like
Speaker 1: he's gonna have lots of money, but it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: to him. And they did all these hooks where it's like,
Speaker 1: I think what there was saying he's undeniable and that's
Speaker 1: what happened with it. Whoever played them on you know
Speaker 1: when it comes to the writing, and so I understood
Speaker 1: what they were doing there, and then then my job
Speaker 1: was kind of like, okay, but don't you don't want
Speaker 1: to play you don't want to play that? Well, how
Speaker 1: do we make them not loathe someome all that money?
Speaker 1: Was that so weird? Yeah? Yeah, there were some lines Okay, okay, right,
Speaker 1: and I get whether they're going, but boy, that's in
Speaker 1: mind field. It's interesting. We talked about that a lot.
Speaker 1: When when there's those lovely scenes with you and MOI
Speaker 1: were down on the riverwalk, like right off of Market Street,
Speaker 1: you know the ending hot Oh my god, we love
Speaker 1: the hot dog stage. By the way, in this episode
Speaker 1: you say you're pasted it and we were like, but
Speaker 1: maybe just one more hot dog. Um, But I loved
Speaker 1: and we talked about this on a previous episode, how
Speaker 1: well you threw away that stuff. You were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did this thing and it was all this money
Speaker 1: and I wasn't that filled. Now I'm a teacher and
Speaker 1: it was so lovely. And we all remarked that in
Speaker 1: someone else's hands, that that could have made the audience
Speaker 1: want to punch Andy in the face, but you did
Speaker 1: it in a way that was so freaking sweet. We
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we love we love this rich teacher.
Speaker 1: You've stayed friends with with a lot of the dudes
Speaker 1: from the cast. Um. Like I said, it was fun
Speaker 1: to party with you at Tyler's wedding. That was a hoot. Uh.
Speaker 1: Who did you pile around with when you were there?
Speaker 1: And where'd you guys go? What trouble did you get into?
Speaker 1: Well again, like you know, I didn't, Um. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of working relationship was with most
Speaker 1: people because it wasn't scenes with him, but I wasn't
Speaker 1: more more ahead her family and stuff. We definitely socialist
Speaker 1: a couple of times, but you know, not so much. Um.
Speaker 1: And then I was, you know, Chad's dad, Chad's stepdad,
Speaker 1: and which we got a laugh out of a few times,
Speaker 1: so I ended up ended up seeing a bit at
Speaker 1: him and and uh, I mean, and then when Tyler
Speaker 1: came on, he was he was great. He was laying
Speaker 1: about twenty one as well. He was a baby here
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like
Speaker 1: the good Angel and the bad Angel on. He's so
Speaker 1: fun I love I love seeing how he is on
Speaker 1: this show competed to how he is in real life,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's like, no, he's not, Like, it's
Speaker 1: so funny. He he especially we were just weeping laughing
Speaker 1: about Chris Keller talking about himself in the third person.
Speaker 1: Tyler would never and just see Tyler play this insufferable
Speaker 1: man is so amusing. Yeah, I think that's hilarious too.
Speaker 1: He was, he was so good at it. And even
Speaker 1: the one that I watched watch for this episode eight,
Speaker 1: you know when when he's in he's in the recording booth,
Speaker 1: which are so beautiful, I mean, all the singing stuff
Speaker 1: and everything. I thought it was really well done. So
Speaker 1: there was this whole other show that I became a
Speaker 1: fan of watching that I wasn't really a part of.
Speaker 1: So that was an interesting thing too. You know as
Speaker 1: the years so good by. That's a fun thing about
Speaker 1: ensemble work is that like the world doesn't revolve around
Speaker 1: you and you get to kind of enjoy the thing
Speaker 1: that you're working on because you're not being self critical.
Speaker 1: You just be like, yeah, that was that was nice.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of this. Um. Where do you think
Speaker 1: Karen and Andy are in two tween two? Well, the
Speaker 1: I mean their daughter will be grown now, right, she was, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like season five about that. A. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: out of the house emptiness. Hey, congrats, Bud, you did it.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's still on that boat somewhere. I like that idea. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's escaping the pandemic on me a yacht. He said
Speaker 1: that he set up like yacht farms. Everybody's doing like,
Speaker 1: you know, like fruit and vegetable farms on their yachts
Speaker 1: so they can feed the needy. Ye, world. Have you
Speaker 1: been able to see anybody in the last couple of
Speaker 1: years we've all been in lockdown? Um, have you seen
Speaker 1: anybody from the cast? No? No, it has been well
Speaker 1: actually the last um, you know, the last time I
Speaker 1: saw you guys was when I was seeing people even
Speaker 1: I mean Tyler a little bit, but he's been out
Speaker 1: of the Country's in Canada, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, So, um no,
Speaker 1: I've kind of lost huts to a set. Karen, have
Speaker 1: you been to a convention? I went to one, but
Speaker 1: that was around about the same time I saw you.
Speaker 1: I saw you one one time on Never Done One.
Speaker 1: It was the one that went back to to you
Speaker 1: gotta come party with us, well, because I just did
Speaker 1: her first one and we were all like, oh my god, God,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen more. She hasn't aged a day. It's
Speaker 1: just unfathomable. I listened to that. I listened to the
Speaker 1: episode you guys did with it. What's nice too? And
Speaker 1: you get to catch up with people, right they paid ridiculous. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she is amazing. You know, took like a big hiatus
Speaker 1: to raise your kids, which you know we all do,
Speaker 1: and um is coming out of it with like this big,
Speaker 1: massive project. We're going to have a dragger back to
Speaker 1: Wilmington's what's going to happen? Yeah, well maybe I'll come
Speaker 1: when she comes. Yeah, I mean that's in Do we
Speaker 1: have that recorded? That's like a hundred percent by a
Speaker 1: photo in the Karen and Andy photo op, Like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in the line with the fans
Speaker 1: ready to go. You want to be Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's the reunion that I want so bad. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be my answer actually, from now on, whenever anyone says,
Speaker 1: if you ever played a different character on Mandrea, who
Speaker 1: would it be, I'd be like Lily, Lily, it would
Speaker 1: be great custom. I want to be the child on
Speaker 1: the yacht. She comes to stay rich on like Brook.
Speaker 1: You know, Lily. Hey, yeah, we're going to go make
Speaker 1: all our own money back. My god, damn it, Karen,
Speaker 1: what do you We're going now? Man? What's going on? Yeah? Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean I've been, I've been the dads. My son
Speaker 1: is uh it's fourteen. Now. Weren't you guys doing a
Speaker 1: YouTube series together? We did? Yeah, And so we had
Speaker 1: we had a father son project, which that's been the
Speaker 1: fun thing the last few years. I've been doing more
Speaker 1: content creation. So we had this thing called The Kid
Speaker 1: Explains History, which it was a YouTube channel and he
Speaker 1: started when he was like eight, like you know, squeaky
Speaker 1: voice kid, and now his voice is dropped in. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's a kid explaining history anymore. But
Speaker 1: we did yeah, teen exactly so, and it was it
Speaker 1: was a fun thing because he was showing interest in
Speaker 1: it and and uh, I kind of like the idea
Speaker 1: of you noticed like a lot of people all age
Speaker 1: don't know much about history and the politics that's going
Speaker 1: on right now. People like people keep saying things like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is unprecedented, and I'm like, no, not much is unprecedented.
Speaker 1: If you read a bit, everything is secular. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: actually repeating ourselves at all time because there be no history.
Speaker 1: So with Quinn showing interest in it, it was a
Speaker 1: cool little project. He's saying in his own words to
Speaker 1: other kids, to try to get this next generation actually
Speaker 1: thinking about it a bit more. And it really kind
Speaker 1: of took off, and it's been licensed to like censcal
Speaker 1: is commtense media app and so these places around really
Speaker 1: been a bit bigger than we thought. So that was fun.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. That's so andy of you. Are you
Speaker 1: a history buff yourself? Yeah? I was always always in
Speaker 1: the history. Yeah. Yeah, so it satisfies my because obviously
Speaker 1: had to write a lot of them in the beginning.
Speaker 1: He sort of took over as he got a bit older,
Speaker 1: but I was he was he was more of the
Speaker 1: host at the beginning, but but now he's he's an
Speaker 1: a student for history, so you know who worked. It's
Speaker 1: like a sneaky little, sneaky little fun project that ultimately
Speaker 1: it was aiming for that. So are you saying that's
Speaker 1: what I need to do with my kids, because right
Speaker 1: now on my side, it's just like, please let me
Speaker 1: have a YouTube channel. And I'm like, it seems like
Speaker 1: a bad idea. And he was like eight, and he
Speaker 1: said he wanted to do you know what they all
Speaker 1: want to do. They want to do something up Minecraft.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was Minecraft. Minecraft is the thing is I
Speaker 1: want to do Minecraft. I'm like, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about it. I'm not that interested in it. But history.
Speaker 1: And then he was up. That was unus. When he
Speaker 1: was little, he would just build like the Titanic. He
Speaker 1: would take like history and build it in Minecraft to
Speaker 1: capture my attention to well, am I just built the
Speaker 1: Hamilton's duel in Minecraft? Oh baby? And would get so
Speaker 1: good at it too. I mean, it's amazing. How is
Speaker 1: he not like tim Gus is turning twelve and he's
Speaker 1: my height. It's like ridiculous. It's it's weird having tween kids. Man,
Speaker 1: in my head, we're still young and like going to
Speaker 1: Deluxe in Willington's and like, there's no way we have kids. Assult,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, you guys, you have you have like small
Speaker 1: adult Yes, yes, it's a trip. What's interesting because you
Speaker 1: remember being that age, like yeah, vividly. You know, you're
Speaker 1: very uh, cognizant of what it was like to be
Speaker 1: at fourteen or twelve yearold. You know, when they're a
Speaker 1: bit younger, you're like the babies and stuff. But would
Speaker 1: you let your kids watch this show? Oh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would have. He was interested. Oh my god, we're going
Speaker 1: to fast forward through the part where Sophia was screamed. Oh,
Speaker 1: professor tried to tried to you know, put on our
Speaker 1: stuff or whatever. And it's like, oh, that's interesting. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like, okay doing the YouTube channel. Do you feel like,
Speaker 1: because he's been interested in history, that it's a way
Speaker 1: to teach him about storytelling and direction and production and
Speaker 1: all the things that you know. Has has that kind
Speaker 1: of been the way to connect on on the working level? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And and that was what's been fun I think is
Speaker 1: technology call it up right, you know, these phones and
Speaker 1: doing green screen stuff and all these things that I
Speaker 1: might have wanted to do ten fifteen years ago. For
Speaker 1: quinnit's sick and nature all this stuff because he's not
Speaker 1: you know, so I do. I do feel like we
Speaker 1: landed over that and being able to like the early
Speaker 1: ones a bit scratchy, and then you get a bit
Speaker 1: better technically and everything, and then you've got this this
Speaker 1: outlet of YouTube or websites, we can put it out there.
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, it's been great just from that point
Speaker 1: of view. And he really took to it. He was
Speaker 1: he was, you know, like a proud dad. He's like
Speaker 1: a natural at the camera and East. Oh does Nicole
Speaker 1: get involved on that stuff too? I know you mentioned
Speaker 1: that when you met her, you know, shortly before and
Speaker 1: when you guys got married anyway, shortly before you came
Speaker 1: to join us, you were like, oh, this is this
Speaker 1: is home. I'm staying wherever she is. This is my place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, gosh, you guys got married in two thousand three,
Speaker 1: it's almost twenty years. That's crazy. Were just celebrated out
Speaker 1: nine from meeting because we're we knew each other for
Speaker 1: like a year and and she was on a teen
Speaker 1: drama was Wildfire, which was a family for Free p Yes,
Speaker 1: so like, did she have advice for you for One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill? Does she like does she try to give
Speaker 1: you on the YouTube channel? Stuff with direction? Those have
Speaker 1: been the same time and funny story actually was just
Speaker 1: tolding in the call that the other day. Um. The
Speaker 1: part of the One Free Hill thing was she she
Speaker 1: tested on Onetree Hill a month before I did before
Speaker 1: for Julie she tested for a Get out of Town.
Speaker 1: I could have kissed you what I think it got
Speaker 1: down to just those two. Wow. The interesting part of
Speaker 1: the reason that the show was on my radar is
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it was the advertising as a hit
Speaker 1: show and then Nicole there they got on it and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh wow, this is cool. When we started
Speaker 1: watching and like, um they said something about her looking
Speaker 1: too young or something was something weird. But and then
Speaker 1: like two weeks later on Moldition Brandy. So it was
Speaker 1: kind of the universe out there where we were both
Speaker 1: on once, which would have been fun. Listen those goodle
Speaker 1: Wub days were my husband tested for audition for the show, um,
Speaker 1: and some for Keith's part. Um. Well that's it, well,
Speaker 1: a different, different trajectory, that's the thing. It was so
Speaker 1: the WB just owned this kind of content during that era,
Speaker 1: and so now all of our peers are like, what
Speaker 1: were your w B days? You know, like we all
Speaker 1: have that. Yeah, it didn't episode of challenge or something
Speaker 1: like just it. Yeah you stop, you stopped getting on
Speaker 1: their radar and everything. Would you kiss on chart? I didn't.
Speaker 1: I had a blind date with a Lissa and she
Speaker 1: was the character it was. It was blind aid and
Speaker 1: she was supposed to find out whether or not we're
Speaker 1: meant to be together, and she touched my hand, finds
Speaker 1: out we're not. Wants nothing to do with imaginal pain.
Speaker 1: We all could have been saved in our twenties, right
Speaker 1: if you can touch Hey, we get fan questions on
Speaker 1: this show that we want you to participate in. You
Speaker 1: feel like, yes, inquiring minds want to know what's our question?
Speaker 1: So okay from Danny in your opinion, Oh this kind
Speaker 1: of relates to your son? Your opinion? What is the
Speaker 1: perfect age to start watching One Tree Hill? And why?
Speaker 1: WHOA Well? I actually think he is at a pretty
Speaker 1: good age. I mean, you know, because you're getting into
Speaker 1: that the friendship groups in high school and starting to
Speaker 1: and I always think it's kind of fun when it's
Speaker 1: a little bit aspirational, like they're a little bit younger,
Speaker 1: and it's like when nine too, when I came out
Speaker 1: for me, you know some of those shows that your show,
Speaker 1: that was my shot. That was that was what reminded
Speaker 1: me when I got on this being on Did you
Speaker 1: know Paul from Wasn't Paul the bad guy on that show? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: that was the thing I remember full from that and
Speaker 1: remember Craig obviously through his movies. Oh yeah, I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed talking. It's funny because we're in this rivalry, but
Speaker 1: we ended up sharing a few scenes together and on
Speaker 1: set we would we would actually talk a lot about
Speaker 1: his old days. I was fascinated. Tell me some stories, man,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and he obliged. It was great. Did
Speaker 1: he tell you his Warhol stories? The which one Andy
Speaker 1: Warhol stories? He was discovered? Oh my god. We're going
Speaker 1: to get around to drinks and tells them a little
Speaker 1: Yes we need it, Karen. We're working on getting Hillary
Speaker 1: to the West Coast for a little hangsin, so we'll
Speaker 1: just well, yeah, we just talked to Maria Manunos and
Speaker 1: we're like, yo, girl, you trying to party. Um, we're
Speaker 1: going to get the band back together. You count me in.
Speaker 1: I think that watching our show with your parents is
Speaker 1: a good tool. There was actually a writer in Wilmington's
Speaker 1: Celia Rievan Bark, who wrote a couple of books Um
Speaker 1: and she talked about watching One Tree Hill with her
Speaker 1: daughter because it was a natural door opener to have
Speaker 1: conversations about sex and drugs and drinking and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But if you're a kid that's just watching it by yourself,
Speaker 1: I think being a little bit older like you is
Speaker 1: probably a better places something with Nicole to with Quinn,
Speaker 1: like they bond over watching a lot of the new
Speaker 1: Netflix shows that are probably in the same subject matter,
Speaker 1: and so that's that's what Ni calls me to Quella. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things that that was always so cool
Speaker 1: to me was when and even now it happens, we
Speaker 1: just had a set photographer who told me the version
Speaker 1: of this story, but when we would need parents who
Speaker 1: would say that, who would say this? This show has
Speaker 1: given me a window into having conversations with my kid
Speaker 1: that I didn't know how to have or start, and
Speaker 1: kids would say, you know, it was really interesting. I
Speaker 1: was always so embarrassed my parents would make me watch
Speaker 1: the show with them, but then they opened up to
Speaker 1: me and told me all this stuff about things they
Speaker 1: went through that I never knew about. That that always
Speaker 1: felt like a really special thing to be a conduit
Speaker 1: like that for for viewers. And you can see, especially
Speaker 1: with this show, it has been happening a lot like
Speaker 1: I don't know how it is for you guys, but
Speaker 1: you know, because I wasn't in it as much, it
Speaker 1: will be like years and years you don't here about it,
Speaker 1: and then and then these progressively younger people will come
Speaker 1: up to in the street, Oh my god, the crap,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I'm like, how old
Speaker 1: are you? But let this rediscovering it on streaming or
Speaker 1: whatever has has has constantly surprised me. It's really lovely.
Speaker 1: It's um, it's not the same people who it is.
Speaker 1: It's the children of the people who watching it the
Speaker 1: first time. You know, it's pretty special. It's nuts man,
Speaker 1: going to the supermarket here, I look like a homeless
Speaker 1: lady all the time, and I feel like I need
Speaker 1: to apologize to these kids because they're just like, what
Speaker 1: happened to you? There's a dunkin donut, Your beard looks
Speaker 1: fantastic beard been on your face? It comes and goes.
Speaker 1: Is Covid beard, No, it comes and goes. I have
Speaker 1: them for a couple of weeks shaming off. That was
Speaker 1: a funny thing. How short my ear was in those
Speaker 1: early you and Chad had the same haircut. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was that. That was that two tho. I
Speaker 1: feel like Brad Pitt did it for like Mr Mrs Smith? Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: did we remember out here? I like it all right.
Speaker 1: So we've kind of touched this question a little bit.
Speaker 1: Um Brenna said, You've talked about a lot of other
Speaker 1: teen dramas that were popular when you started filming One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill. Did you ever have conversations with other teen
Speaker 1: show stars during that time about your experience? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean you did charm. Did you did you jump around
Speaker 1: to any other of these kind of like super moody
Speaker 1: TV shows? Karen, Yeah, that's a good question. Actually no,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't do it. I ended up moving
Speaker 1: on to It's kind of like lifetime in the Hamark
Speaker 1: and yeah, I love those episodic television. Yeah exactly. You've
Speaker 1: been doing some some goodles too, huh. And it's some
Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean I ran into some people.
Speaker 1: You know, I get parties and stuff. They say you
Speaker 1: go to parties and you both commiserated, like the ARC guys,
Speaker 1: you know, be like uh at a birdie or always
Speaker 1: guys and like chat but not really about work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I had that experience now. Back when
Speaker 1: we were kids. I remember because Josh Jackson still had
Speaker 1: his place in Wilmington's for a bit after Dawson's were
Speaker 1: at Right, and I remember like being out at Wrightsville
Speaker 1: and having a beer with him and him just being like,
Speaker 1: it's going to be great. It's also going to get
Speaker 1: really weird. There's nowhere to go, and everybody's gonna date
Speaker 1: everybody and just be nice to each other. And I
Speaker 1: was like, what, Like, I just thought it was so funny.
Speaker 1: And now I see Josh. There's a word of wisdom
Speaker 1: right there. No, truly, he was just like, there's nowhere
Speaker 1: to go, you're you're you're in a Petri dish together,
Speaker 1: get ready, and then you know, now I see Josh
Speaker 1: and we're on like all these amazing you know, whispered
Speaker 1: networks of activists working on social justice issues, and we
Speaker 1: just laugh were like, remember when we were just two
Speaker 1: dumb kids in Willington's and we were all so messy
Speaker 1: and it was it wasn't strange sort of They go
Speaker 1: over for you, guys. I think it was over, but
Speaker 1: maybe you guys talking about that same places, the same houses,
Speaker 1: literally the same exact crew. They just roll They took
Speaker 1: their break and they're like, we got a new pack
Speaker 1: of kids. What are you gonna do here? We go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that happens. That happens right when Nicole show ended. That
Speaker 1: was an Albuquerque in New Mexico and that crew went
Speaker 1: on the Breaking Bead, which is like a different from
Speaker 1: from from show about teenage girls and hostess too always
Speaker 1: makes us luck. You know what, if you can find
Speaker 1: the parallel, there's a whole new TV show. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a three line there somewhere. Teen girls who delivered
Speaker 1: drugs on Horsebash shut up Tuesdays on the c W
Speaker 1: perfect God, yeah, I'd watch that. You heard it here first, guys,
Speaker 1: you want to spin a wheel, Karen, we do this
Speaker 1: thing where we um we do most likely to. It's
Speaker 1: like Senior from the Yearbook. From the Yearbook. Did you
Speaker 1: guys have your books in New Zealand? Yes, we did, right,
Speaker 1: did you have surprise recently. Yes, yes, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: let you go first. You can pick a real live
Speaker 1: cast mate or a character from the show. Who do
Speaker 1: you think is most likely to survive on a desert island?
Speaker 1: Come on, Whitey, right, that guy would just whip that
Speaker 1: into shape. Yeah, you're right. It's like that show alone.
Speaker 1: He'd have like a fort milt were like chomping on
Speaker 1: the cigar and chomping, like cutting up a random plant
Speaker 1: for dinner and going, God, damn it, why is this
Speaker 1: so tough? Where's the sea? It was like Costa and
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks, But why don't you see? Yeah, I watch
Speaker 1: that show. You know. I actually made him in New
Speaker 1: Zealand before I came out of here. Yeah, he came
Speaker 1: down like he came down in the year two thousands
Speaker 1: to do uh went about you know movies where Kelley
Speaker 1: mc gillis was the lead and it was one of
Speaker 1: those like horror movies, you know, and they came down.
Speaker 1: They try to make Oakland look like America, Texas. It's
Speaker 1: like and I was like, I was a backpacker in
Speaker 1: the movie or something, and he and he was the
Speaker 1: sheriff of course, and we took him out with me
Speaker 1: and my buddies. We took him out to like a
Speaker 1: cigar bar, and because he was like, are alone, it's
Speaker 1: one of the heave look around. So we had some
Speaker 1: nights on the towent there and then yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: how funny is that? Yeah, hanging out of Charlie Brown's.
Speaker 1: Did you go to that bar Charlie Brown's with Barry?
Speaker 1: I think I went to all those buzz Yeah, he
Speaker 1: used to have his mail delivered there to the Yes,
Speaker 1: he was great. He's another one with the stories, you know,
Speaker 1: another I would just sit you're like sitting there at
Speaker 1: the knee of course. Okay, So, um, if White he's
Speaker 1: going to survive, which cast member, real life person do
Speaker 1: we think will survive on a deserted island? Real life? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a friend of ours. I mean, I'd love to
Speaker 1: see what Paul does. I don't I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'd love to see what happens. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he makes it, but I want
Speaker 1: to watch the Truman show. We'll just with camera's in
Speaker 1: the palm trees. Yeah, I'm here for I think I
Speaker 1: think he'd find I think would he would find angle yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you know what with his luck. Yes, Paul, like
Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. In his Iron Man outfit, would like
Speaker 1: swoop down because they're best friends. Pick him up. Nick
Speaker 1: Cassavetti's would film the whole thing. It would be and
Speaker 1: they win an oscar. There you go, There you go done. Karen.
Speaker 1: It's so good seeing you. It was so good. This
Speaker 1: is fun. Thanks for inviting me on. Thank you for coming.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have We're gonna have our big party out west.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Um, I'm itching to get out of Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get crazy and um. In the meantime, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be watching your kid teach us all about history. Thank
Speaker 1: you for putting that into the universe so we can
Speaker 1: all be smarter. We got we got that out there
Speaker 1: and uh and uh we just you know, Nicole might
Speaker 1: be working on scripts too. We've been right really hopefully
Speaker 1: hopefully this and stuff come out. Oh and that's what
Speaker 1: it did. In the pandemic, I wrote a book. What
Speaker 1: where did you believe? Friends? Yeah, I know here, I
Speaker 1: am here, I'm at the end going. Oh by the way,
Speaker 1: oh by the way. It's uh, it's really fun because
Speaker 1: you know when you're writing the script. It's interesting and
Speaker 1: you sort of trying to you know, you get your
Speaker 1: agent and you're pitching it out there and stuff, and
Speaker 1: that's fine, but it's all collaborative. For the book, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, you make it what you want it to be.
Speaker 1: You know, talk about history. What is it about? It's
Speaker 1: actually it's it's a science fiction book because we have
Speaker 1: this Nicole and I came up a TV show and
Speaker 1: you know it's all existing I p now, so we're
Speaker 1: like trying to get it out there, um as a
Speaker 1: book first and see when you build an audience. But
Speaker 1: it's filled with all the stuff that we love, all
Speaker 1: the genre stuff. You know, when can we read it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: When do we out of publishes right now? So it's
Speaker 1: been it's and this is what it was during the
Speaker 1: pandemic last year, where I went, I've got all this
Speaker 1: time in my hands, and you know, what the hell
Speaker 1: are we doing? You're the one person that got things done.
Speaker 1: I did on that, on that on that people hate.
Speaker 1: We're like, I got in shape. I wrote a book.
Speaker 1: So many goals for the pandemic and I did not
Speaker 1: a one. Yeah, well I grew a beard and I
Speaker 1: wrote a book. Oh my god, listen, when you're ready
Speaker 1: for us to blurb about it, we're we're blurbers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go perfect. So you know it's at that
Speaker 1: stage right now. We're getting it out there and uh,
Speaker 1: we'll stay tuned. But yeah, exciting stuff. It's all this
Speaker 1: fun stuff. I'm like, what's the next The next thing
Speaker 1: got to be that we do rather than you know,
Speaker 1: just what I think for things all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the hustle is strong, my friend. Um. Next week we
Speaker 1: have season two, episode nine. The trick is to keep breathing,
Speaker 1: do you. I don't know what comes next for Andy,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's probably something flirty. I think.
Speaker 1: So you just had your first official romp with Karen.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see where it goes. That was cute.
Speaker 1: That little wake up in the morning scene was real.
Speaker 1: It was real cute. I wanted to show her my painting, right, No,
Speaker 1: you want to show She wanted to show you the print.
Speaker 1: You're the ones the painting. It's in the bedroom. It's
Speaker 1: in the bedroom. We don't know how you pulled it off,
Speaker 1: but you made it not gross and truly we bowed down.
Speaker 1: You need to not only teach kids about history. But
Speaker 1: Joe should you should be teaching people about acting well
Speaker 1: humility with him within. It's so good perfect, um honey,
Speaker 1: it's so good seeing you. Thank you for playing with us,
Speaker 1: and we will thank you. We'll see you soon, hopefully.
Speaker 1: I will hopefully see you in Persant soon and I
Speaker 1: will keep on listening to this because you guys are
Speaker 1: doing a great thing. This is awesome. Thanks, thanks, but
Speaker 1: we love you all right, the rest of you, guys,
Speaker 1: I love you. Have a fantastic week. This has been
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