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Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl drama, girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: our comic girl cheering for the right drama queens up

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Speaker 1: us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama drawn

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Speaker 1: this is an exciting episode for us today. We we

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Speaker 1: are on season two, episode eight, Bitter Truth, Brook, Haley,

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Speaker 1: and Anna have a summer party in Haley's apartment where

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Speaker 1: I'm doing here in North Carolina? Like what was your

425
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: experience when you got there, you know and enjoined our circus? Right? Um? No,

426
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: it was it did feel Um, it did feel like

427
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: something special. It wasn't. This is this is one of

428
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: the you know, the jobs you have. This this was

429
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: a really nice job. And um. The interesting thing for

430
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: me is obviously I would come in and out, you know,

431
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: you know it was commuting, you know, I go back home,

432
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: Um when I wasn't needed and where was at that point?

433
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: It was like point yeah, Um, I sort of put

434
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: down routes like I got married a year before, Like

435
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: the idea was sort of to come and go and

436
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: you know too, I would have got coming back and

437
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: forth from New Zealand when I was trying to get

438
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: work here. But I met Nicole and was like, okay,

439
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: so this at home, so I was here. Yeah, it

440
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: still is that life happens to you. And then but

441
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: then going out to North Carolina, so yeah, I would

442
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: come on in and and I would see you guys

443
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: socially because they didn't have a lot of scenes with

444
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: a lot of other characters, which is interesting and it

445
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: sort of gets siloed off. But then I was sidled

446
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: off with more and that was incredible. So I did

447
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: feel I felt like I was learning a lot from her.

448
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: I knew her work a lot through the nineties just

449
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: as a movie fan, and and my wife was a

450
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: big fan of The Cutting Edge exactly. So when Nicole

451
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: came out and visited, we went over to h to

452
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: dinner with the more In her husband and she found

453
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: girls out so that was fun. So just in general,

454
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: the more Um thing, uh made me realize that, no,

455
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: this is this is a really good opportunity for me

456
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 1: to grow into to meet her when she's at and too,

457
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: I'm trying to create something out of it because I

458
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: liked it too. I thought all the storylines were really

459
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: sweet with those two, So yeah, it was great. Well,

460
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: there was such a love affair that the fans had

461
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: for the whole like Keith karen back story. Did you

462
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: feel pressure coming in to you know, be a good guy,

463
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: like someone who could fill those shoes. No. And the

464
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: reason is I hadn't really been watching. I knew I

465
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: was piecing this together almost the same way that Andy was,

466
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: which I had on which we see in this episode

467
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: when they show up at the same restaurant and Andy's like,

468
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: what's the problem here? He's the only one who doesn't know,

469
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: just like in a tennis match, looking back and forth.

470
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of acting going on there, But

471
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: I was no and I thin obviously I understood in

472
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: the in the in the lodger, I understood the larger

473
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: job of being the third wheel who was destined to

474
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: lose at some point, which you understand that, and I

475
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: think that actually takes the pressure off. It's more like, well,

476
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: this is what's happening here with these people, and I

477
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: understand that the fans are gonna have a different relationship

478
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: because of the Keith thing. Um it does it does

479
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: give you that, It gives you pause of like, you know,

480
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: how do you how do you hook into you know,

481
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: putting this across in the way the people are going

482
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: to enjoy, whether it's gonna hate you, you know, because

483
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you've had other things when you're the third wheel

484
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: or I've been that other jobs where I've been the Keith,

485
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: and it's tough for that others, and sometimes you know

486
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: how it's done, you know. So I just sort of

487
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: left in. I went, oh, we'll see, I'm gonna kiss her.

488
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kiss the hell out of her. It's gonna

489
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: be so cute I do it. So the last episode

490
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: was in Trick, and we could not figure out what

491
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: the age difference was between Hearen and Andy, because they

492
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: make such a big deal out of it. Do you remever,

493
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: what was supposed to be? I No, I don't know specifically,

494
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: but I think I was. I think I was playing

495
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: slightly younger than myself. I mean I was thirty, I

496
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: turned thirty when I when I when I did this

497
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: was pre so you guys, holy crap, right, we survived,

498
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: and I was I think I was supposed to be

499
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: playing at feen years younger, like mid twenties or something.

500
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: So she maybe it's ten years roughly, okay, but they

501
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: did lean into that right. They were like very much like, yeah,

502
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: this is crazy, this would never happen. Remember on that

503
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: scene too, I think that was when we met in

504
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: that scene, right, well yeah, because Peyton's all like, oh, hello,

505
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: introduced me to your friend. I get that I'm a

506
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: junior in high school, but I know, And that was

507
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: that's when I were these girls are actually a lot younger. Okay,

508
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: that's it was hard to separate fact from fiction because

509
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: we're all like going out to bars and rest drawn

510
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: with each other after work. I was meeting you as

511
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: you guys like yeah, okay, no, they're juveniles, very illegal

512
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: friend sweet little babies. Um. Yeah, the Andy trajectory is

513
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: so um kind of like dream dude. You know he's

514
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: got that Jake Ryan from sixteen Candles energy, It was

515
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: that your inspiration. Is that what you drew from the

516
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: eighties movies? Yeah, it's a good it's a good reference.

517
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: I UM remember him saying that they were trying to

518
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that Jenny Gruffalo said once about George

519
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: Clooney and he are he was. She was like, so

520
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: he's a pediatrician with an alcohol problem and he's you know,

521
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: loves kids. I'm not made of wood when it comes

522
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: to the writing, you know what I mean, It's like,

523
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: you got I'm not made of wood. And I feel

524
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: like some of Andy's writing was like that. It's like

525
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna have lots of money, but it doesn't matter

526
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: to him. And they did all these hooks where it's like,

527
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: I think what there was saying he's undeniable and that's

528
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: what happened with it. Whoever played them on you know

529
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to the writing, and so I understood

530
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: what they were doing there, and then then my job

531
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: was kind of like, okay, but don't you don't want

532
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: to play you don't want to play that? Well, how

533
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: do we make them not loathe someome all that money?

534
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: Was that so weird? Yeah? Yeah, there were some lines Okay, okay, right,

535
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: and I get whether they're going, but boy, that's in

536
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: mind field. It's interesting. We talked about that a lot.

537
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: When when there's those lovely scenes with you and MOI

538
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: were down on the riverwalk, like right off of Market Street,

539
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: you know the ending hot Oh my god, we love

540
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: the hot dog stage. By the way, in this episode

541
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: you say you're pasted it and we were like, but

542
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: maybe just one more hot dog. Um, But I loved

543
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: and we talked about this on a previous episode, how

544
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: well you threw away that stuff. You were like, yeah,

545
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I did this thing and it was all this money

546
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: and I wasn't that filled. Now I'm a teacher and

547
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: it was so lovely. And we all remarked that in

548
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: someone else's hands, that that could have made the audience

549
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: want to punch Andy in the face, but you did

550
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: it in a way that was so freaking sweet. We

551
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we love we love this rich teacher.

552
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: You've stayed friends with with a lot of the dudes

553
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: from the cast. Um. Like I said, it was fun

554
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: to party with you at Tyler's wedding. That was a hoot. Uh.

555
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Who did you pile around with when you were there?

556
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: And where'd you guys go? What trouble did you get into?

557
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: Well again, like you know, I didn't, Um. You know,

558
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: there was a lot of working relationship was with most

559
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: people because it wasn't scenes with him, but I wasn't

560
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: more more ahead her family and stuff. We definitely socialist

561
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: a couple of times, but you know, not so much. Um.

562
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: And then I was, you know, Chad's dad, Chad's stepdad,

563
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: and which we got a laugh out of a few times,

564
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: so I ended up ended up seeing a bit at

565
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: him and and uh, I mean, and then when Tyler

566
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: came on, he was he was great. He was laying

567
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: about twenty one as well. He was a baby here

568
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like

569
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: the good Angel and the bad Angel on. He's so

570
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: fun I love I love seeing how he is on

571
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: this show competed to how he is in real life,

572
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, and he's like, no, he's not, Like, it's

573
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: so funny. He he especially we were just weeping laughing

574
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: about Chris Keller talking about himself in the third person.

575
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: Tyler would never and just see Tyler play this insufferable

576
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: man is so amusing. Yeah, I think that's hilarious too.

577
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: He was, he was so good at it. And even

578
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: the one that I watched watch for this episode eight,

579
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: you know when when he's in he's in the recording booth,

580
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: which are so beautiful, I mean, all the singing stuff

581
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: and everything. I thought it was really well done. So

582
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: there was this whole other show that I became a

583
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: fan of watching that I wasn't really a part of.

584
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: So that was an interesting thing too. You know as

585
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: the years so good by. That's a fun thing about

586
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: ensemble work is that like the world doesn't revolve around

587
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: you and you get to kind of enjoy the thing

588
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: that you're working on because you're not being self critical.

589
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: You just be like, yeah, that was that was nice.

590
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of this. Um. Where do you think

591
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: Karen and Andy are in two tween two? Well, the

592
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean their daughter will be grown now, right, she was, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

593
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: I feel like season five about that. A. Yeah, she's

594
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: out of the house emptiness. Hey, congrats, Bud, you did it.

595
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: Maybe there's still on that boat somewhere. I like that idea. Oh,

596
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: that's escaping the pandemic on me a yacht. He said

597
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: that he set up like yacht farms. Everybody's doing like,

598
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, like fruit and vegetable farms on their yachts

599
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: so they can feed the needy. Ye, world. Have you

600
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: been able to see anybody in the last couple of

601
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: years we've all been in lockdown? Um, have you seen

602
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: anybody from the cast? No? No, it has been well

603
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: actually the last um, you know, the last time I

604
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: saw you guys was when I was seeing people even

605
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean Tyler a little bit, but he's been out

606
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: of the Country's in Canada, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, So, um no,

607
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: I've kind of lost huts to a set. Karen, have

608
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: you been to a convention? I went to one, but

609
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: that was around about the same time I saw you.

610
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: I saw you one one time on Never Done One.

611
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: It was the one that went back to to you

612
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: gotta come party with us, well, because I just did

613
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: her first one and we were all like, oh my god, God,

614
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: I haven't seen more. She hasn't aged a day. It's

615
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: just unfathomable. I listened to that. I listened to the

616
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: episode you guys did with it. What's nice too? And

617
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: you get to catch up with people, right they paid ridiculous. Um. Yeah,

618
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: she is amazing. You know, took like a big hiatus

619
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: to raise your kids, which you know we all do,

620
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 1: and um is coming out of it with like this big,

621
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: massive project. We're going to have a dragger back to

622
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Wilmington's what's going to happen? Yeah, well maybe I'll come

623
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: when she comes. Yeah, I mean that's in Do we

624
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: have that recorded? That's like a hundred percent by a

625
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: photo in the Karen and Andy photo op, Like I'm

626
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in the line with the fans

627
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: ready to go. You want to be Oh my god,

628
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: that's the reunion that I want so bad. That's gonna

629
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: be my answer actually, from now on, whenever anyone says,

630
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: if you ever played a different character on Mandrea, who

631
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: would it be, I'd be like Lily, Lily, it would

632
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: be great custom. I want to be the child on

633
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: the yacht. She comes to stay rich on like Brook.

634
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: You know, Lily. Hey, yeah, we're going to go make

635
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Speaker 1: all our own money back. My god, damn it, Karen,

636
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: what do you We're going now? Man? What's going on? Yeah? Yeah, So,

637
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: I mean I've been, I've been the dads. My son

638
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: is uh it's fourteen. Now. Weren't you guys doing a

639
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: YouTube series together? We did? Yeah, And so we had

640
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: we had a father son project, which that's been the

641
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: fun thing the last few years. I've been doing more

642
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: content creation. So we had this thing called The Kid

643
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: Explains History, which it was a YouTube channel and he

644
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: started when he was like eight, like you know, squeaky

645
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: voice kid, and now his voice is dropped in. I

646
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: don't know if he's a kid explaining history anymore. But

647
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: we did yeah, teen exactly so, and it was it

648
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: was a fun thing because he was showing interest in

649
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: it and and uh, I kind of like the idea

650
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: of you noticed like a lot of people all age

651
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: don't know much about history and the politics that's going

652
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: on right now. People like people keep saying things like, oh,

653
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: this is unprecedented, and I'm like, no, not much is unprecedented.

654
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: If you read a bit, everything is secular. Yeah, we're

655
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: actually repeating ourselves at all time because there be no history.

656
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: So with Quinn showing interest in it, it was a

657
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: cool little project. He's saying in his own words to

658
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: other kids, to try to get this next generation actually

659
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: thinking about it a bit more. And it really kind

660
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: of took off, and it's been licensed to like censcal

661
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: is commtense media app and so these places around really

662
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: been a bit bigger than we thought. So that was fun.

663
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: That's so cool. That's so andy of you. Are you

664
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: a history buff yourself? Yeah? I was always always in

665
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: the history. Yeah. Yeah, so it satisfies my because obviously

666
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: had to write a lot of them in the beginning.

667
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: He sort of took over as he got a bit older,

668
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: but I was he was he was more of the

669
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: host at the beginning, but but now he's he's an

670
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: a student for history, so you know who worked. It's

671
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: like a sneaky little, sneaky little fun project that ultimately

672
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: it was aiming for that. So are you saying that's

673
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: what I need to do with my kids, because right

674
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: now on my side, it's just like, please let me

675
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: have a YouTube channel. And I'm like, it seems like

676
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: a bad idea. And he was like eight, and he

677
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: said he wanted to do you know what they all

678
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: want to do. They want to do something up Minecraft.

679
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah it was Minecraft. Minecraft is the thing is I

680
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: want to do Minecraft. I'm like, well, I don't know

681
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: anything about it. I'm not that interested in it. But history.

682
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: And then he was up. That was unus. When he

683
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: was little, he would just build like the Titanic. He

684
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: would take like history and build it in Minecraft to

685
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: capture my attention to well, am I just built the

686
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: Hamilton's duel in Minecraft? Oh baby? And would get so

687
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: good at it too. I mean, it's amazing. How is

688
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: he not like tim Gus is turning twelve and he's

689
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: my height. It's like ridiculous. It's it's weird having tween kids. Man,

690
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: in my head, we're still young and like going to

691
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Deluxe in Willington's and like, there's no way we have kids. Assult,

692
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: that's crazy, you guys, you have you have like small

693
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: adult Yes, yes, it's a trip. What's interesting because you

694
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: remember being that age, like yeah, vividly. You know, you're

695
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: very uh, cognizant of what it was like to be

696
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: at fourteen or twelve yearold. You know, when they're a

697
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: bit younger, you're like the babies and stuff. But would

698
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: you let your kids watch this show? Oh? Yeah, I

699
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: would have. He was interested. Oh my god, we're going

700
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: to fast forward through the part where Sophia was screamed. Oh,

701
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: professor tried to tried to you know, put on our

702
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: stuff or whatever. And it's like, oh, that's interesting. You know,

703
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: he's like, okay doing the YouTube channel. Do you feel like,

704
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: because he's been interested in history, that it's a way

705
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: to teach him about storytelling and direction and production and

706
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: all the things that you know. Has has that kind

707
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: of been the way to connect on on the working level? Yeah? Absolutely,

708
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: And and that was what's been fun I think is

709
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: technology call it up right, you know, these phones and

710
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: doing green screen stuff and all these things that I

711
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: might have wanted to do ten fifteen years ago. For

712
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: quinnit's sick and nature all this stuff because he's not

713
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, so I do. I do feel like we

714
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: landed over that and being able to like the early

715
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: ones a bit scratchy, and then you get a bit

716
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: better technically and everything, and then you've got this this

717
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: outlet of YouTube or websites, we can put it out there.

718
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, it's been great just from that point

719
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: of view. And he really took to it. He was

720
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: he was, you know, like a proud dad. He's like

721
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: a natural at the camera and East. Oh does Nicole

722
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: get involved on that stuff too? I know you mentioned

723
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: that when you met her, you know, shortly before and

724
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: when you guys got married anyway, shortly before you came

725
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: to join us, you were like, oh, this is this

726
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: is home. I'm staying wherever she is. This is my place. Yeah,

727
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, gosh, you guys got married in two thousand three,

728
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: it's almost twenty years. That's crazy. Were just celebrated out

729
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: nine from meeting because we're we knew each other for

730
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: like a year and and she was on a teen

731
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: drama was Wildfire, which was a family for Free p Yes,

732
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: so like, did she have advice for you for One

733
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: Tree Hill? Does she like does she try to give

734
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: you on the YouTube channel? Stuff with direction? Those have

735
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: been the same time and funny story actually was just

736
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: tolding in the call that the other day. Um. The

737
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: part of the One Free Hill thing was she she

738
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: tested on Onetree Hill a month before I did before

739
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: for Julie she tested for a Get out of Town.

740
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: I could have kissed you what I think it got

741
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: down to just those two. Wow. The interesting part of

742
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: the reason that the show was on my radar is

743
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it was the advertising as a hit

744
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: show and then Nicole there they got on it and

745
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: we're like, oh wow, this is cool. When we started

746
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: watching and like, um they said something about her looking

747
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: too young or something was something weird. But and then

748
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: like two weeks later on Moldition Brandy. So it was

749
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: kind of the universe out there where we were both

750
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: on once, which would have been fun. Listen those goodle

751
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: Wub days were my husband tested for audition for the show, um,

752
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: and some for Keith's part. Um. Well that's it, well,

753
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: a different, different trajectory, that's the thing. It was so

754
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: the WB just owned this kind of content during that era,

755
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: and so now all of our peers are like, what

756
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: were your w B days? You know, like we all

757
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: have that. Yeah, it didn't episode of challenge or something

758
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: like just it. Yeah you stop, you stopped getting on

759
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: their radar and everything. Would you kiss on chart? I didn't.

760
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: I had a blind date with a Lissa and she

761
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: was the character it was. It was blind aid and

762
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: she was supposed to find out whether or not we're

763
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: meant to be together, and she touched my hand, finds

764
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: out we're not. Wants nothing to do with imaginal pain.

765
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: We all could have been saved in our twenties, right

766
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: if you can touch Hey, we get fan questions on

767
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: this show that we want you to participate in. You

768
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: feel like, yes, inquiring minds want to know what's our question?

769
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: So okay from Danny in your opinion, Oh this kind

770
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: of relates to your son? Your opinion? What is the

771
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: perfect age to start watching One Tree Hill? And why?

772
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: WHOA Well? I actually think he is at a pretty

773
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: good age. I mean, you know, because you're getting into

774
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: that the friendship groups in high school and starting to

775
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: and I always think it's kind of fun when it's

776
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: a little bit aspirational, like they're a little bit younger,

777
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: and it's like when nine too, when I came out

778
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: for me, you know some of those shows that your show,

779
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: that was my shot. That was that was what reminded

780
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: me when I got on this being on Did you

781
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: know Paul from Wasn't Paul the bad guy on that show? Yes? Yes,

782
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: that was the thing I remember full from that and

783
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: remember Craig obviously through his movies. Oh yeah, I really

784
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed talking. It's funny because we're in this rivalry, but

785
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: we ended up sharing a few scenes together and on

786
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: set we would we would actually talk a lot about

787
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: his old days. I was fascinated. Tell me some stories, man,

788
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and he obliged. It was great. Did

789
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: he tell you his Warhol stories? The which one Andy

790
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: Warhol stories? He was discovered? Oh my god. We're going

791
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: to get around to drinks and tells them a little

792
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: Yes we need it, Karen. We're working on getting Hillary

793
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: to the West Coast for a little hangsin, so we'll

794
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: just well, yeah, we just talked to Maria Manunos and

795
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: we're like, yo, girl, you trying to party. Um, we're

796
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: going to get the band back together. You count me in.

797
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: I think that watching our show with your parents is

798
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: a good tool. There was actually a writer in Wilmington's

799
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: Celia Rievan Bark, who wrote a couple of books Um

800
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: and she talked about watching One Tree Hill with her

801
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: daughter because it was a natural door opener to have

802
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: conversations about sex and drugs and drinking and all that stuff.

803
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: But if you're a kid that's just watching it by yourself,

804
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: I think being a little bit older like you is

805
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: probably a better places something with Nicole to with Quinn,

806
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: like they bond over watching a lot of the new

807
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: Netflix shows that are probably in the same subject matter,

808
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: and so that's that's what Ni calls me to Quella. Yeah.

809
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: One of the things that that was always so cool

810
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: to me was when and even now it happens, we

811
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: just had a set photographer who told me the version

812
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: of this story, but when we would need parents who

813
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: would say that, who would say this? This show has

814
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: given me a window into having conversations with my kid

815
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: that I didn't know how to have or start, and

816
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: kids would say, you know, it was really interesting. I

817
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: was always so embarrassed my parents would make me watch

818
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: the show with them, but then they opened up to

819
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: me and told me all this stuff about things they

820
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: went through that I never knew about. That that always

821
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: felt like a really special thing to be a conduit

822
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: like that for for viewers. And you can see, especially

823
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: with this show, it has been happening a lot like

824
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how it is for you guys, but

825
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, because I wasn't in it as much, it

826
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: will be like years and years you don't here about it,

827
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: and then and then these progressively younger people will come

828
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: up to in the street, Oh my god, the crap,

829
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I'm like, how old

830
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: are you? But let this rediscovering it on streaming or

831
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: whatever has has has constantly surprised me. It's really lovely.

832
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: It's um, it's not the same people who it is.

833
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: It's the children of the people who watching it the

834
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: first time. You know, it's pretty special. It's nuts man,

835
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: going to the supermarket here, I look like a homeless

836
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: lady all the time, and I feel like I need

837
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: to apologize to these kids because they're just like, what

838
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: happened to you? There's a dunkin donut, Your beard looks

839
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: fantastic beard been on your face? It comes and goes.

840
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: Is Covid beard, No, it comes and goes. I have

841
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: them for a couple of weeks shaming off. That was

842
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: a funny thing. How short my ear was in those

843
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: early you and Chad had the same haircut. Yeah, yeah,

844
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: and that was that. That was that two tho. I

845
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: feel like Brad Pitt did it for like Mr Mrs Smith? Yeah, sure,

846
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: did we remember out here? I like it all right.

847
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: So we've kind of touched this question a little bit.

848
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: Um Brenna said, You've talked about a lot of other

849
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: teen dramas that were popular when you started filming One

850
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: Tree Hill. Did you ever have conversations with other teen

851
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: show stars during that time about your experience? Well, I

852
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: mean you did charm. Did you did you jump around

853
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: to any other of these kind of like super moody

854
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: TV shows? Karen, Yeah, that's a good question. Actually no,

855
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't do it. I ended up moving

856
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: on to It's kind of like lifetime in the Hamark

857
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, I love those episodic television. Yeah exactly. You've

858
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: been doing some some goodles too, huh. And it's some

859
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean I ran into some people.

860
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, I get parties and stuff. They say you

861
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: go to parties and you both commiserated, like the ARC guys,

862
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, be like uh at a birdie or always

863
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: guys and like chat but not really about work. Yeah,

864
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: I don't think I had that experience now. Back when

865
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: we were kids. I remember because Josh Jackson still had

866
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: his place in Wilmington's for a bit after Dawson's were

867
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: at Right, and I remember like being out at Wrightsville

868
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: and having a beer with him and him just being like,

869
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: it's going to be great. It's also going to get

870
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: really weird. There's nowhere to go, and everybody's gonna date

871
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: everybody and just be nice to each other. And I

872
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: was like, what, Like, I just thought it was so funny.

873
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: And now I see Josh. There's a word of wisdom

874
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: right there. No, truly, he was just like, there's nowhere

875
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: to go, you're you're you're in a Petri dish together,

876
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: get ready, and then you know, now I see Josh

877
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: and we're on like all these amazing you know, whispered

878
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: networks of activists working on social justice issues, and we

879
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: just laugh were like, remember when we were just two

880
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: dumb kids in Willington's and we were all so messy

881
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: and it was it wasn't strange sort of They go

882
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: over for you, guys. I think it was over, but

883
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: maybe you guys talking about that same places, the same houses,

884
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: literally the same exact crew. They just roll They took

885
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: their break and they're like, we got a new pack

886
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: of kids. What are you gonna do here? We go, Yeah,

887
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: that happens. That happens right when Nicole show ended. That

888
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: was an Albuquerque in New Mexico and that crew went

889
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: on the Breaking Bead, which is like a different from

890
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: from from show about teenage girls and hostess too always

891
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: makes us luck. You know what, if you can find

892
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: the parallel, there's a whole new TV show. I'm sure

893
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: there's a three line there somewhere. Teen girls who delivered

894
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: drugs on Horsebash shut up Tuesdays on the c W

895
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: perfect God, yeah, I'd watch that. You heard it here first, guys,

896
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: you want to spin a wheel, Karen, we do this

897
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: thing where we um we do most likely to. It's

898
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: like Senior from the Yearbook. From the Yearbook. Did you

899
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: guys have your books in New Zealand? Yes, we did, right,

900
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: did you have surprise recently. Yes, yes, So we're gonna

901
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: let you go first. You can pick a real live

902
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: cast mate or a character from the show. Who do

903
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: you think is most likely to survive on a desert island?

904
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: Come on, Whitey, right, that guy would just whip that

905
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: into shape. Yeah, you're right. It's like that show alone.

906
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: He'd have like a fort milt were like chomping on

907
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: the cigar and chomping, like cutting up a random plant

908
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: for dinner and going, God, damn it, why is this

909
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: so tough? Where's the sea? It was like Costa and

910
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks, But why don't you see? Yeah, I watch

911
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: that show. You know. I actually made him in New

912
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: Zealand before I came out of here. Yeah, he came

913
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: down like he came down in the year two thousands

914
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: to do uh went about you know movies where Kelley

915
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: mc gillis was the lead and it was one of

916
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: those like horror movies, you know, and they came down.

917
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: They try to make Oakland look like America, Texas. It's

918
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: like and I was like, I was a backpacker in

919
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: the movie or something, and he and he was the

920
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: sheriff of course, and we took him out with me

921
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: and my buddies. We took him out to like a

922
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: cigar bar, and because he was like, are alone, it's

923
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: one of the heave look around. So we had some

924
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: nights on the towent there and then yeah, I'm like,

925
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: how funny is that? Yeah, hanging out of Charlie Brown's.

926
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: Did you go to that bar Charlie Brown's with Barry?

927
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: I think I went to all those buzz Yeah, he

928
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: used to have his mail delivered there to the Yes,

929
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: he was great. He's another one with the stories, you know,

930
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: another I would just sit you're like sitting there at

931
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: the knee of course. Okay, So, um, if White he's

932
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: going to survive, which cast member, real life person do

933
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: we think will survive on a deserted island? Real life? Yeah,

934
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: like a friend of ours. I mean, I'd love to

935
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: see what Paul does. I don't I don't know, I

936
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'd love to see what happens. Yeah, yeah,

937
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if he makes it, but I want

938
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: to watch the Truman show. We'll just with camera's in

939
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: the palm trees. Yeah, I'm here for I think I

940
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: think he'd find I think would he would find angle yeah, okay,

941
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: thank you know what with his luck. Yes, Paul, like

942
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. In his Iron Man outfit, would like

943
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: swoop down because they're best friends. Pick him up. Nick

944
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: Cassavetti's would film the whole thing. It would be and

945
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: they win an oscar. There you go, There you go done. Karen.

946
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: It's so good seeing you. It was so good. This

947
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: is fun. Thanks for inviting me on. Thank you for coming.

948
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna have We're gonna have our big party out west.

949
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Um, I'm itching to get out of Yeah,

950
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: let's get crazy and um. In the meantime, we're gonna

951
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: be watching your kid teach us all about history. Thank

952
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: you for putting that into the universe so we can

953
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: all be smarter. We got we got that out there

954
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: and uh and uh we just you know, Nicole might

955
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: be working on scripts too. We've been right really hopefully

956
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: hopefully this and stuff come out. Oh and that's what

957
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: it did. In the pandemic, I wrote a book. What

958
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: where did you believe? Friends? Yeah, I know here, I

959
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: am here, I'm at the end going. Oh by the way,

960
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: oh by the way. It's uh, it's really fun because

961
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: you know when you're writing the script. It's interesting and

962
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: you sort of trying to you know, you get your

963
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: agent and you're pitching it out there and stuff, and

964
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 1: that's fine, but it's all collaborative. For the book, he said,

965
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: you know, you make it what you want it to be.

966
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: You know, talk about history. What is it about? It's

967
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: actually it's it's a science fiction book because we have

968
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: this Nicole and I came up a TV show and

969
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: you know it's all existing I p now, so we're

970
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: like trying to get it out there, um as a

971
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: book first and see when you build an audience. But

972
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: it's filled with all the stuff that we love, all

973
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: the genre stuff. You know, when can we read it? Yeah?

974
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: When do we out of publishes right now? So it's

975
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: been it's and this is what it was during the

976
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: pandemic last year, where I went, I've got all this

977
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: time in my hands, and you know, what the hell

978
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: are we doing? You're the one person that got things done.

979
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: I did on that, on that on that people hate.

980
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: We're like, I got in shape. I wrote a book.

981
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: So many goals for the pandemic and I did not

982
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: a one. Yeah, well I grew a beard and I

983
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: wrote a book. Oh my god, listen, when you're ready

984
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: for us to blurb about it, we're we're blurbers. Yeah,

985
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: there we go perfect. So you know it's at that

986
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: stage right now. We're getting it out there and uh,

987
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: we'll stay tuned. But yeah, exciting stuff. It's all this

988
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: fun stuff. I'm like, what's the next The next thing

989
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: got to be that we do rather than you know,

990
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: just what I think for things all the time. Yeah,

991
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: the hustle is strong, my friend. Um. Next week we

992
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: have season two, episode nine. The trick is to keep breathing,

993
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: do you. I don't know what comes next for Andy,

994
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's probably something flirty. I think.

995
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: So you just had your first official romp with Karen.

996
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see where it goes. That was cute.

997
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: That little wake up in the morning scene was real.

998
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: It was real cute. I wanted to show her my painting, right, No,

999
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: you want to show She wanted to show you the print.

1000
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: You're the ones the painting. It's in the bedroom. It's

1001
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: in the bedroom. We don't know how you pulled it off,

1002
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: but you made it not gross and truly we bowed down.

1003
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: You need to not only teach kids about history. But

1004
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: Joe should you should be teaching people about acting well

1005
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: humility with him within. It's so good perfect, um honey,

1006
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: it's so good seeing you. Thank you for playing with us,

1007
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: and we will thank you. We'll see you soon, hopefully.

1008
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: I will hopefully see you in Persant soon and I

1009
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: will keep on listening to this because you guys are

1010
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: doing a great thing. This is awesome. Thanks, thanks, but

1011
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: we love you all right, the rest of you, guys,

1012
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: I love you. Have a fantastic week. This has been

1013
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: like our favorite episode. Um, I think Wilkhi, thank you, Karen, Hey,

1014
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,560
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