WEBVTT - Dune: Prophecy Episode 4

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode contains spoilers for Dune Prophecy episode four twice born.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch that before you listen today. Hi everyone, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>Boo and welcome to X Ray Visions Extras and Extra

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, today I'm joined by the Tehran rfl himself,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason CONCEPTI own.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Emperor, who must I burn with my mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Jason, we are here to of course talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Dune Prophecy episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Four of six.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to run through the summary of the episode together,

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<v Speaker 1>share our thoughts, and then at the end, I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>some Lord tidbits to share, which folks in the Discord

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<v Speaker 1>have been appreciating. Which is always fun because I get

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<v Speaker 1>to do some Dune research every time I.

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<v Speaker 4>Watch these episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's jump right in. Episode four of Dune

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<v Speaker 1>Prophecy opens on Wallach nine, which is a buzz after

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<v Speaker 1>all of the acolytes have experienced a terrifying and possibly

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<v Speaker 1>prophetic dream vision. In fact, Sister Emmeline is standing over

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<v Speaker 1>that pool where Dorotea had died and nearly stabs herself.

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<v Speaker 1>She's in some sort of trance, but luckily Sister Jen

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<v Speaker 1>runs in and is able to stop her before the

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<v Speaker 1>knife falls. Now after the title credits, we return with Tula,

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<v Speaker 1>who is in a meeting with Sister Emmeline and Sister

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<v Speaker 1>Jen and is doing her best to try and understand

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<v Speaker 1>the who, what, when where of this dream? What's happening here?

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<v Speaker 1>She's quite shocked, but she can't quite figure out what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the sense she's also nervous that the Dora

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<v Speaker 1>Tea murder might leak somehow through these visions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is definitely the sense you get.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also thought it was interesting that Sister Emmeline

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<v Speaker 1>uses truth sense on mother Tula. I think maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>first time we've watched an acolyte do that on one

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<v Speaker 1>of the teachers here at the school. A breach of trust,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll see Emmeline kind of becomes a bit rebellious later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not a lot of trust to be found at

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<v Speaker 2>the Sisterhood right now, which I think is really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you get a sense of what the ranks are

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<v Speaker 2>currently in the sisterhood? How many levels are there between

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<v Speaker 2>Mother Superior and everything else up from acolte.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in this show it is quite linear. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just Vollya Mother Superior up top, and then her sort

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<v Speaker 1>of inner circle of reverend mothers, who I think is

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<v Speaker 1>basically Sister Avila and Tula sort of the right.

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<v Speaker 4>And left hands. We don't get a sense of any.

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<v Speaker 1>Tenured professor teachers that are kind of around, but presumably

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<v Speaker 1>there are other teachers teaching these accolades. It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>the three women at the top that we see. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think as far as this show is concerned, that's

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<v Speaker 1>it for now. And actually, speaking of Sister Avilla, after

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<v Speaker 1>this little parent teacher conference, she turns to Tula and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, leave this alone. Don't mess with the dream thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll go away, it'll work itself out. It's better not

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<v Speaker 1>to tamper with this, which is precisely what Tula will

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<v Speaker 1>not do this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Sisterravilla exists primarily in this show to say Tula, don't

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<v Speaker 2>do that, yes, and for Tula to just blow through

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely do it anyway, Like Avilla's entire contribution is like,

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<v Speaker 2>now you shouldn't do this, let me take care of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Tula will just be like, no.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for your opinion, Nevila. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We then come back to Volya, who is as your

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<v Speaker 1>recall from the of the last episode, back home at

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<v Speaker 1>the hearken In household, and she has a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a confrontational meeting slash Thanksgiving dinner with her uncle and

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<v Speaker 1>nephew where they throw some barbs back and forth, which

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was cute and on brand. But she does

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<v Speaker 1>have a mission here. She proposes that it is perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>finally time for House Hearkenin to have its very own

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<v Speaker 1>truth sayer, and not just any truth sayer, go right

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<v Speaker 1>to the top. But me, Mother Superior, what do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty good sales pitch And Harrow's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me more now listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it in a pinch? Have I just recently lost

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<v Speaker 2>my job? Are we as an organization in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of trouble? And that's what's driven me this? Uh huh, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but don't ignore the headline. House Hearkenin gets Mother Superior

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<v Speaker 2>as Truthsayer's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, full stop, top of the fold. Incredible stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>House hearken In really not doing their due diligence here.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got a background check anyone you hire, like, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter what credentials they claim to walk in with

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<v Speaker 1>his sisters. Theodosia at the dinner table, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>does use truth sense on Harrow. Hearkenent just so we

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<v Speaker 1>can get a bit of character motivation for this guy

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<v Speaker 1>who we are just now introduced to in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and we learned that Harrow's deepest, darkest desire is for respect.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to earn the respect of his peers in

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<v Speaker 1>the Lancerad and in the governing body. And Valia is

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<v Speaker 1>basically promising him that. Wally is saying, I will be

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<v Speaker 1>your truth sayer and I will help you gain a

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<v Speaker 1>respected seat on the High Council of the Lancerad, and

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<v Speaker 1>Harrow agrees. Meanwhile, we cut to another tense I believe

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast this time this seems like a morning situation. Yea, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the juice looked really delicious. There was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>good food in the background of this episode, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I was just hungry when I was watching the Karnos

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<v Speaker 1>are having also quite the confrontational breakfast at that beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>waterfall terrace thing in the palace when Princess storms in

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<v Speaker 1>and basically just calls Desmond out as a killer. She says, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there are rumors swirling in the palace that prueit Richesy

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<v Speaker 1>was murdered and I think you did it. And Desmond

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<v Speaker 1>just cops to it. He's like, yeah, yeah, I did you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know why? Because he's got fucking thinking machines. He had

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<v Speaker 2>that thinking machine toy. Yep, what did we fight the

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<v Speaker 2>war for? Is that not a crime?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Did not?

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<v Speaker 2>Your father the emperor proclaiming her crime? Come on, why

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<v Speaker 2>are we getting mad at me right now?

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, while he's stuffing his face with rolls like.

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<v Speaker 2>So hungry. Also, is Travis Fimmel like purposely making faces

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<v Speaker 2>where his eyes go cross eyed? Throughout this episode He's

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<v Speaker 2>making some of the most insane faces while giving line

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<v Speaker 2>readings and spoiler burning people with his mind and eating

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<v Speaker 2>that I've ever like he is fully wild in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that might be intentional because of the whole

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<v Speaker 1>eye thing. Shai Halud gave me an eye. I lost

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<v Speaker 1>my eye in the attack so maybe he is doing

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<v Speaker 1>some eye acting there, which is impressive. I could not

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<v Speaker 1>do that while trying to deliver lines. Now, while this

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<v Speaker 1>dinner is taking place, we also get a quick couple

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<v Speaker 1>of shots of the wider city at large, the spaceport

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<v Speaker 1>where we see ships arriving. The great houses of the

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<v Speaker 1>Lancetrate are all coming to Solusis secundus, folks, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>big meeting that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Happening, so everyone is arriving.

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<v Speaker 1>We then cut to our boy Desmond Hart, who is

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<v Speaker 1>presumably like in his office or whatever, and he's just

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<v Speaker 1>casually burning one of Kasha's old Sisterhood books that she

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<v Speaker 1>had left behind, like daring pages out and burning them

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<v Speaker 1>understand one by one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is clearly he is on the tracks for

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<v Speaker 2>a confrontation with the Sisterhood. Writ large that said, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a little bit over the top. No, like we

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<v Speaker 2>need this stuff, don't we, Emperor, don't we need these books?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's got to be some thing important

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<v Speaker 1>in there. The Emperor did not seem to mind. But

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<v Speaker 1>the Emperor doesn't really have the most solid spine as

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<v Speaker 1>we know, so it's tough. I mean, it's also just

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<v Speaker 1>like mad disrespect to books. You know, I think both

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<v Speaker 1>books are precious, and like this may be more than

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<v Speaker 1>the Pruitt thing, perhaps his greatest crime. The Emperor and

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<v Speaker 1>Desmond chat here. It's just two dudes having a heart

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<v Speaker 1>to heart growing out, Havoco sits down and he admits

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<v Speaker 1>to Desmond that he's feeling insecure in his position. He's

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<v Speaker 1>unable to live up to these legendary Carino ancestors. As

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<v Speaker 1>we had talked about in episode one. They're war heroes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're great politicians. I'm a nobody. Nobody respects me in

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<v Speaker 1>the imperium. Desmond tries to be like, well, maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>should have a spine, Maybe you should be more of

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<v Speaker 1>a hard ass. Maybe you should rule with an iron fist.

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<v Speaker 1>And if people don't respect you, you got me. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me who to burn. Point me in a direction, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>kill it.

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<v Speaker 4>But for what it's worth.

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<v Speaker 1>Havoc is like, no, not right now. Let's just keep

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<v Speaker 1>you as back up for now, you're still benched. We

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<v Speaker 1>then cut to out of the city, where in a

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<v Speaker 1>nondescript alley, we join Kiaran, a tradees and his rebel

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<v Speaker 1>friend that we met a few episodes ago, who are

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<v Speaker 1>meeting up with an Ixian tech smuggler, the first time

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<v Speaker 1>we have seen an Xian on screen from the Dean universe,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in the modern adaptations, and this smuggler, in

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<v Speaker 1>exchange for many many Solaris gives the Rebels this drone

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<v Speaker 1>bomb hunter seeker looking thing, which is obviously a thinking

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<v Speaker 1>machine and obviously very illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ten thousand years later they will have this tech. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>we will see it in the first Dune movie, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's there in the first Dune book, but of course

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<v Speaker 2>piloted by a Hearken and I guess yes, So this

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<v Speaker 2>is just flat out illegal because there's no pilot.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Autonomous is the key, right, It has its own quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote brain, and so it's very illegal, as we will

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<v Speaker 1>see later in the episode. We then cut back to Vollia,

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<v Speaker 1>who is in her room at the Harken end State.

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<v Speaker 1>She is, in fact, recording one of those long eye

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<v Speaker 1>message voice messages that people love to record. It's quite vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite heartfelt. We get a sense of a softer

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<v Speaker 1>side to Vali here, but she doesn't hit send. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've all been here with an X or two.

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<v Speaker 1>She deletes it instead. And then she stabs the cartridge,

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<v Speaker 1>the game Boy cartridge in two sisters. Theodosia enters and

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<v Speaker 1>reports that the rebels have got this drone. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>use it during the lamps Ride meeting. They're gonna kill

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<v Speaker 1>the emperor.

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<v Speaker 4>And Bali is like, perfect, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly what we need to happen, because I'm gonna be there,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna swoop in, I'm gonna save the emperor. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get back in as good graces.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not just immediately drop the dime, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not just right now go to the emperor and say,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what, Your sword master's currently in the palace right

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<v Speaker 2>now and fucking your daughter like all the time, is

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<v Speaker 2>plotting to kill you. I go through this, add this

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<v Speaker 2>extra wrinkle where also you have to save his life

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<v Speaker 2>in front of the assembled lands red right, this seems

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<v Speaker 2>like a bad idea from somebody who's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>in a position of that requires wisdom and intellect.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Jason, that is an amazing point.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think if you were Mother Superior, that's what

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<v Speaker 3>you would do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's not what Balia does, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>what they decide to do with the sisters decide to

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<v Speaker 1>do is they're going to take advantage of these rumors

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<v Speaker 1>about pruet riches that have been swirling in the palace,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're instead going to convince these two particular members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Lanstrade Council to use Haro Harken and give

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<v Speaker 1>him that open spot that house Rachese left open, and

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<v Speaker 1>use Harrow to accuse the Emperor basically of murdering open

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<v Speaker 1>an investigation into the Rachese boy's death and accuse the

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<v Speaker 1>emperor investment being involved. We see this sort of manipulation

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<v Speaker 1>montage take place, the sisters whispering to their particular dukes

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<v Speaker 1>and lords to convince them, and then we also see

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<v Speaker 1>Harrow meet with these council members and basically accept the job.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a little nervous about it, but he accepts. Okay, Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to check back in with Tula and the accolytes

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<v Speaker 1>who are having nightmares.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, We're back over on Wallach nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Tula gathers all of the acolytes for a class group

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<v Speaker 1>spice trip art therapy session, but things quickly go south

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<v Speaker 1>when all of the sisters are once again stuck in

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<v Speaker 1>a trance and can't seem to get out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this was actually a really great scene. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of good horror elements here. But the sisters are

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in this trance. They're all scribbling on their parchment.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all basically scribbling the same thing. It all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of converges into the same images of sand and shy

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<v Speaker 1>Hallou to the worm, and then ultimately this pair of eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>that pair of blue eyes that this show has been

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<v Speaker 1>teasing all season long. Sister Emmeline says something interesting. She,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, once she's out of this trance, says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>God is watching us, judging us. The reckoning is here

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<v Speaker 1>end quote, which is very interesting. Makes my ears perk

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<v Speaker 1>up as somebody who has read all of Frey Kerbert's

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<v Speaker 1>student books, because that seems to be a pretty overt

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<v Speaker 1>nod to a huge character later in the books. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little hesitant to say more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, now, when you say yes, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>know where you're going. When they say here, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean like in the present timeline though, right, because that

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<v Speaker 2>seems like unless they're going to add something, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>different character. It seems like they're talking about something that

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<v Speaker 2>will not happen for several thousand years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they do seem to be hinting at a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that happened happened for several thousand years. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they mean here literally, but if you'll recall a little

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<v Speaker 1>show called Game of Thrones season eight, in particular, a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that brand Stark could do with his powers, that

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<v Speaker 1>is perhaps what they're hinting at here too. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm skeptical. There's a lot of theory online that this

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<v Speaker 1>could be a certain character from book four of Frank's

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<v Speaker 1>stories who's just time traveling and manipulating things ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years in the past. I don't agree with that theory, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just wanted to call it out for folks

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<v Speaker 1>who might be thinking it too.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was cool about the art therapy lesson

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<v Speaker 2>other than again, we just had like a night scenario

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<v Speaker 2>with everybody having a bad dream. I think, let's like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's punt on the spice for a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's nearly heard all there. I did like the art

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<v Speaker 2>class because this was like a technique that was used

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<v Speaker 2>in real life and the CIA is like remote viewing,

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<v Speaker 2>oh mk ultra like project in which the CIA and

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<v Speaker 2>other defense acies tried to see if people could develop

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<v Speaker 2>like claravoidance, and that one of the ways they would

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<v Speaker 2>do it is this kind of like light scribbling. You

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<v Speaker 2>have someone miles away or in the other room focusing

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<v Speaker 2>on something and oh, the person who's to receive the

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<v Speaker 2>image sits there and just scribbles and lets their mind

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<v Speaker 2>go loose and sees if they can receive the image

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<v Speaker 2>and then draw it.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll try sending you an image telepathically next time

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<v Speaker 1>you recorders.

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<v Speaker 4>Do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Returning to the Palace, Empress Natalia meets with Desmond in

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<v Speaker 1>a little one on one in his office and reveals

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<v Speaker 1>to him.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh it was me, Yeah, it was me all along.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been spreading the rumors about Pruitt. We're chasing myself

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<v Speaker 1>to so chaos, And she in fact gives Desmond these

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<v Speaker 1>recordings is like Imperial surveillance data about suspected machine dealers

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<v Speaker 1>who are dealing illegal technology, like our extceine friend from earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, and she tells Desmond that it's time it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to clamp down on this it's no longer a

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<v Speaker 1>time for leniency against these machines. Do what you do best, Desmond,

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<v Speaker 1>burn him, and so he does that exactly. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>has just been promoted so quickly, so fast. He's apparently

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of the guards, and he tells them he

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<v Speaker 1>gives them this data, and he says, go find these sympathizers,

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<v Speaker 1>bring them to me. We then return to the Beloved

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<v Speaker 1>Club where Kira to Traadees is smoking with his friend Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Yinez arrives and they talk. She admits to Kieran

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<v Speaker 1>that she's conflicted right now. She doesn't know what to

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<v Speaker 1>do about this whole Desmond thing. She doesn't know how

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<v Speaker 1>to confront her father about it.

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<v Speaker 2>What is she to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Kieran, being thetreates that he is, tries to convince her

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<v Speaker 1>to do the right thing, do the thing that is

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<v Speaker 1>best for the imperium and brings justice to a murderer,

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<v Speaker 1>even if that means disobeying your father and moving against

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<v Speaker 1>your family. Specifically, he says, quote sometimes you have to

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<v Speaker 1>burn it thing down before you can save it end quote,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Ynes takes this to heart. She then goes

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<v Speaker 1>to her half brother Constantine and asks him to help

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<v Speaker 1>her move against Desmond to help her betray father. He

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<v Speaker 1>is understandably nervous. He likes his head where it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but she, you know, works some angles.

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<v Speaker 4>She flatters him.

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<v Speaker 1>She tells him how brave she is, how she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have made it this far without his love and support,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he seemingly reluctantly agrees. Meanwhile, back at the Hearkenans,

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<v Speaker 1>sister Theodosia confronts Balia about why the hell she's been

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<v Speaker 1>here for two episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and honestly, like, I'm asking the same question.

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<v Speaker 3>Good question, thank god somebody asked.

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<v Speaker 2>Sister.

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<v Speaker 1>Theodosia was like, yeah, it's fine, I'll keep cashing in

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<v Speaker 1>my day rate. But it turns out Theodosia has been

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<v Speaker 1>brought here because she has some sort of secret talent

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<v Speaker 1>that she has sworn off of ever using again. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but Valia says, we may need it as a last

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<v Speaker 1>resort if things really go south. We're up against an

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<v Speaker 1>enemy we don't know how to defeat.

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<v Speaker 4>I might need your abilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Theodosia is upset about this, obviously, but Walia is like, look, sister,

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<v Speaker 1>head first, if we got to use it, we.

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<v Speaker 4>Gotta use it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll see what that power is shortly at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the episode. Okay, Jason, it's Lance Ride meeting time.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody gathers, all the great houses are here. Harrow, Harkin

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<v Speaker 1>and sitting right up front in that respected seat on

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<v Speaker 1>the Lance rad proud of my guy. Yeah, want it

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<v Speaker 1>come up good for him? And this is obviously where

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<v Speaker 1>all of the schemes and plotting that we've watched all

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<v Speaker 1>episode culminates. This convergence point. Harrow stands up, does his thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He accuses or he wants to open an investigation into

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<v Speaker 1>the for Jazy Boy's death.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I formally request, that's right, an investigation into the

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<v Speaker 2>practices of this man here, Desmond, who we know nothing about.

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<v Speaker 2>Under the audicle, he quotes, it's like an art, like

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of ancient right that these houses have, which

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<v Speaker 2>I liked. Yes, and people like, oh my god, this

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<v Speaker 2>has not been used in quite a while.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>He refers to Conley, which I will talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>in my lore segment at the end of time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Conley.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we'll talk more about that in a bit. But

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, before he can actually name the Corinos and

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<v Speaker 1>the Emperor specifically as the people he's really pointing at.

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<v Speaker 1>Ynez comes in and does it for him. She boldly

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<v Speaker 1>accuses her own family of being complicit in this murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Things quickly stroll into chaos, but then Desmond takes control

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<v Speaker 1>of the room. He parades in those captured tech smugglers

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<v Speaker 1>that his guards had gone out into the city to grab.

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<v Speaker 1>He once again, this time to the whole lancetrat body,

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<v Speaker 1>boldly admits to murder. He says, yeah, I guild the

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<v Speaker 1>murder chasing boy. I did do it, but it's not murder.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a justified execution. Really playing with semantics here,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was a justified execution against a machine sympathizer,

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<v Speaker 1>the very same machine, Jason, and with the dramatics flow

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<v Speaker 1>or if she brings out the drone, the very same

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<v Speaker 1>machine that would have blown all of your asses up.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody in this room and obviously everyone just gasping. This

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<v Speaker 1>is blowing everyone's minds. He's definitely got a dramatic flare here.

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<v Speaker 1>Must have been incredible on his high school theater stage.

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<v Speaker 1>And Desmond declares that from now on, a hard line

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<v Speaker 1>will be declared against thinking machines. Zero tolerance for machines,

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<v Speaker 1>zero tolerance and in fact, we're gonna start today. Zero

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<v Speaker 1>tolerance policy starts right now. He activates his powers and

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<v Speaker 1>burns in a pretty horrific scene. He burns all of

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<v Speaker 1>the rebels and even one of the counselors who had

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<v Speaker 1>a thinking thinking machine.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier, and he just like gets everybody, and everybody's just

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<v Speaker 2>like gonna watch nobody's gonna like go.

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<v Speaker 3>At this guy, like we're just gonna watch this outen.

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<v Speaker 3>That was yes, that was my question as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody's even like screaming and running out of the room.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's giving kind of the boys the head.

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<v Speaker 4>Scene and the boys a little bit him scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I have a question, Yes, Kiaran a trades

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<v Speaker 2>flees the room, how does he not get Kiaren? That's

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<v Speaker 2>how is he unaware of him?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And how does he not? Is it just simply the

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<v Speaker 2>plot armor?

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<v Speaker 4>But it must be.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's got to be some other explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have an explanation from the books or from

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<v Speaker 1>a lower standpoint for that. To me, it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>plot armor. Because we got Karen's friend, yes, his buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>that he was smoking, openly smoking within the bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he had several meetings with this gentleman. If you

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<v Speaker 2>got that guy, he's gotta get Karen. And we got

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<v Speaker 2>the ixcey and also, you know, we really got everybody

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<v Speaker 2>around him. Gosh, we're going to triangulate like we got

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<v Speaker 2>we got this guy rock solid. No, Kieren gets away,

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<v Speaker 2>presumably because of plot armor. Okay, We then return to

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<v Speaker 2>Wallach nine for a little bit. We are now under

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<v Speaker 2>a cone of silence. This felt like a misplaced scene

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<v Speaker 2>came out of left field to me. I agree, But

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<v Speaker 2>we're under a cone of silence, and Sister Emmeline, if

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<v Speaker 2>you'll recall her from earlier, is now reading from what

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<v Speaker 2>I believe is the oc Bible, which is a text

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<v Speaker 2>within the Dune universe, could be something else, but is

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<v Speaker 2>reciting from this book and keeping Dorotea's teachings alive.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this was confusing to me. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>where this cropped up for Emmeline all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But we also then check in with Tula, who is

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<v Speaker 1>sitting next to the Spice Bakta tank where Lilah is recuperating,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, Tula is getting real sleepy. She has

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<v Speaker 1>a nightmare slash vision of sister Emmeline confronting her about

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<v Speaker 1>Dorotea's death. She brutally in this vision kills sister Emmeline,

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<v Speaker 1>only to wake and find that Lila has left the

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<v Speaker 1>tank and she tells the AI to turn all the

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<v Speaker 1>smart home lights on, and we then see a gray

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<v Speaker 1>and or blue eyed It's a little unclear in the

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<v Speaker 1>lighting what color her eyes are, but we see Lila

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<v Speaker 1>walking around seemingly very confused because the only words she

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<v Speaker 1>says are where am I? I have some theories on

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<v Speaker 1>where that might go, but we can talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, please Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>To wrap up the episode after all this Landstride chaos,

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<v Speaker 1>we are back at the hearken In household and Valia

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<v Speaker 1>tells Theodosia that she has acquired a sample of Desmond's blood.

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<v Speaker 1>She has this bloody rag from the event and they

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<v Speaker 1>basically got to send it to twenty three and meet

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<v Speaker 1>right to figure out what part Mongolian this guy is,

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<v Speaker 1>but also who is what his backstory is? She then

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<v Speaker 1>has I really loved this final scene?

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<v Speaker 4>Actually?

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<v Speaker 1>She has this very intense and emotional standoff with her uncle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mark Addy pulling down the old thunder again.

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<v Speaker 1>A Valia lets her uncle die in this moment, doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>give him his inhaler and then looks over and we

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<v Speaker 1>see none other than Griffin Harkin hasn't aged a day.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what the fuck is happening? Hold on it?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was like I think just thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>the penguin. I was like, is this a like what

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<v Speaker 2>right is happening right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly, and I think it was played off as a

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<v Speaker 1>vision for a few beats intentionally, Yeah, But then she

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<v Speaker 1>walks up and literally hugs Griffin and they exchanged some

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<v Speaker 1>words back and forth. But then she says thank you

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<v Speaker 1>THEO specifically, and then Griffin walks away and as we

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<v Speaker 1>cut to the credits here, our final shot is a

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<v Speaker 1>shot of sister Theodosia shape shifting back into herself.

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<v Speaker 4>This was crazy from Griffin harkinin.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is the adojent's special talent is she can

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<v Speaker 2>shape shift fully her entire form quite painfully.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems it looked very painful into the mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>Image of whoever she is studying. I guess off of

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<v Speaker 2>like they would show her holograms and then she would

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<v Speaker 2>mold it somehow.

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<v Speaker 4>But that was a that was like a wow, what Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that was a big wow. What moment. I think for

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<v Speaker 4>many reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for folks who have read the Dude novels, you

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<v Speaker 1>immediately think face answer question mark, Yeah, face dancer.

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<v Speaker 4>But even in the Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert prequel books, the timeline of that doesn't quite line

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<v Speaker 1>up because face dancers haven't been invented by this point.

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<v Speaker 1>So this seems to be a show only decision. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe we'll get an explanation for it in the

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<v Speaker 1>next episode. I'm curious before we dive into our big

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<v Speaker 1>picture thoughts. I'm wondering what you read was on why

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Theodosia turned into Griffin exactly in this last scene.

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 2>My only thought is that she must have been pretending

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<v Speaker 2>to be some sort of ghostly specter for reasons that

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.680
<v Speaker 2>we have not yet. Yeah understood, That's what I was thinking,

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Like she was trying to trick Uncle Harkinen into revealing something.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing something maybe is the reason that he h under

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<v Speaker 2>Dress in an extreme emotional stress, then passed away this yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>do to quote unquote natural causes. I'm not sure, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the part I've just been trying to figure out,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm like, what did she do? What was now

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 2>this does fall? I'm sure they will reveal what it was,

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 2>but this does fall into the general plot pattern of

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<v Speaker 2>this series, which is to show you the thing and

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<v Speaker 2>then later yes, show you the significance of the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We can debate whether that's a wise plot choice or not,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm utterly confused as to what the reason for

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:32.639
<v Speaker 2>doing this could be.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so am I. I'm in the same boat.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think we will perhaps learn something because Valia says,

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<v Speaker 1>have I pushed you too far? Seemingly they had some

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:44.400
<v Speaker 1>conversation before and she asked her specifically to do something

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<v Speaker 1>as Griffin, So maybe there will be a reveal next episode. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's doing Prophecy episode four. That's our recap of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take another quick breather, Jason. Let's collect our thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back. Let's talk a big picture what

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<v Speaker 1>we think of doing Prophecy so far, and then touch

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<v Speaker 1>on some lower Easter eggs from this episode. Okay, we're back,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Jason. I'm curious, where's your heart at with

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>this show right now?

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 4>Four episodes in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little I'm saddened because I was wanting this

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<v Speaker 2>to be better. I think what is frustrating about this

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>episode in particular is this is what I've wanted, was

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.879
<v Speaker 2>for us to go back to the present timeline, the

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 2>main timeline with all the plotting around Emperor Carrino, the

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 2>plots that surround him, Desmond Heart and what Desmond Heart

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 2>might be up to, and the general fallout from the

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Cheesy Boy death. And we have done that, and it

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 2>was just kind of a mess. We talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of end reveal that, you know, I don't know

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>that it is great story wise to have a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of diosx makin a superpower appear in the final moments

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<v Speaker 2>of like a pivotal episode, like out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 4>And here's this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think compounding the confusion surrounding a diosx machin of

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 2>superpower appearing in the final moments of a pivotal episode

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 2>is when you don't tell us what it was used

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<v Speaker 2>to do. So I'm like, what is happening? I like

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>the lands rad stuff, I like the general politics. I

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>did like the kind of even though it did feel

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 2>like it came out of left field, the suggestions that

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>there are splinter groups within the Sisterhood, people who don't

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>agree with the general direction and are like, wait, what

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>is it we were doing, like we don't agree with this,

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>we adhere to Do'rtea's line of thinking. All that stuff.

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I like, I just find and that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of characters that feel very much to be passengers in

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>their own arcs. Yeah, great way to put Emperor Karno,

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>for instance. I think we thought Mark strong, great actor,

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 2>You're going to see more from him. He's really just

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 2>caught up in the backwash of Desmond Heart's plotline, which

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 2>is only beginning to take shape now. Same with the Empress,

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 2>who I think is a very strong and wonderful character.

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Same with Princess Yanez, same with Kieran. So it's like,

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I keep coming back to the central thing, which is like,

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 2>who's the main character. I think we know now that

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>it's Desmond Heart versus Valia is essentially like the confrontation

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 2>that we've been stumbling towards. I just wish that had

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 2>been set up a little earlier, if we had ten

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 2>episodes or more, I think I would feel like we

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 2>can get there. We can still get there, and there's

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 2>still enough good stuff here where I like the bones

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 2>of the thing with s Now. I'm truly a little

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 2>scared that we're not going to see a good show

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 2>or hints of a good show this season, and that

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<v Speaker 2>could this be it for doing prophecy, like we get

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<v Speaker 2>a pick up?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Based on this four episodes in a six episode season,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. Where are you with it?

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<v Speaker 1>You practically voiced all of my opinions. I feel exactly

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the same way. I think you put it beautifully. The characters,

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>many of the characters do feel like passengers in their

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<v Speaker 1>own storylines, and it's a lot of plot things happen,

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>like Domino's falling to make the next Domino fall. Yeah, seemingly.

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>The Lancerod stuff I thought was not quite as intriguing

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>as it could have been because we the viewer are

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>a fly on the wall and we know everyone's schemes, right,

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and so we're coming into that lance Rod like we

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know what's going to go down in the Lancerod,

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>and that's the primary tension. I did quite like that,

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>But we do practically know what everyone is here trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and I think if we're going to do intrigue,

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I the viewer, I also want to be participating in

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 1>some of the intrigue. I want to be out of

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the loop on some things as well.

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, going in that's a great point because I agree

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 2>with you, and I think it makes the things that

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 2>we are out of the loop on stand out in

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>a in a way that feels a little jarring, such

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>as this sudden appearance of the potential face dancer. Yes,

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 2>in that particular plotline, You're like, wait what.

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, the things I did like were actually whenever

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>we cut back to Wallach nine, I'm quite intrigued with

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>what's going on with the visions, what's going on with

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>the Acolytes.

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I think I've said this in our previous conversations, but

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I almost would have preferred a show that was like

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Les lancetrad Emperor Palace intrigue and more sisterhood, Like more

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.959
<v Speaker 1>time on Wallock nine, more time with the Accolytes. If

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do sort of like a kids at

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>School and a TV show sort of thing with the Accolades,

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 1>focus on Volley and Tula instead as our main characters,

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe I think that's a show that I would have

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>been really invested in. But we're juggling a lot. We're juggling, yeah,

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of storylines and a lot of character arcs

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that I just as you stated that, I'm getting very

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>nervous we won't be able to close the loop on

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>in a satisfying way in two more episodes with such

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>a short season.

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Where do you think we're going? What do you think

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 2>we end up as at the end of episode six.

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, I looked at the HBO always says the next

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 1>episode preview thing. There seems to be a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>action next episode. So I think we're getting some like

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>knife fights. Maybe we're getting some confrontations. Finally, maybe Kieran

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and the rebels are just going to be like, no

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>more hiding, let's go, or our plot got foiled, so

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>we got to do something. I think where we're headed

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>is a showdown between Vollia and Desmond to win the

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Emperor's favor, which again you kind of like take the

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>teeth out of that bite, because we know that the

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Sisterhood is going to win this and be on the

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Emperor's side. So I guess the thing that would subvert

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>our expectations is for Desmond to temporarily win and for

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Valyatt to sort of lose this bout of the match.

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>In this first season, I'm not sure. I think either

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>of those things could happen. I think with Lylah in particular,

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 1>we're headed towards some sort of abomination. I think she's

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 1>possessed by Dorotea right now, which is why she's asking,

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>like where am I She's Dorotea has never seen this

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>room before. I guess Lila hasn't either technically, but I

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna see some possession come up.

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I don't know.

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to throw the question back to you, though,

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe in a different sense, like not where you think

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>we're going, but where would you need this show to

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>land the plane in the next two episodes for you

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to walk away and be like, Okay, I'm along for

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>the ride. I'll be around for season two whenever that

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 1>comes up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I'll tell you what I think will happen,

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 2>and I'll tell you the version of it that I

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>think would be cool. I think what will happen is

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>you get this bakeoff between Desmond and Volia to uproot

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 2>the rest of these machine rebels, including kieran A traadees.

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I think you see kieran A treats. I think we're

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 2>introduced to the rest of House of trades, and maybe

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>the next episode we get hints of what the actual

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>governing members of that house are up to. Presumably they

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 2>would have been at this meeting and would be shocked

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 2>at what they've seen. I think we find that Kieran

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>is acting like off the reservation, but I think we

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 2>see under pressure, Volia and Kuran team up somehow to

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe like get Desmond Heart out of the paint, and

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that allows Kieran to continue as a character

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 2>in this story. I think that would actually be pretty cool.

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 2>This alliance of people who don't want to be allied

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 2>together and in fact strongly disagree with each other and

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 2>in fact are both illegally fucking around with Ai shit.

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that's fun, right because they have a lot

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>of obviously skin in the game. Desmond wants probably both

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 2>of them dead, and so they need to get him

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 2>out of there. I think that's cool. That makes a

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense, and I think we end up in

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 2>a place where we get some more suggestions about what

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Desmond is and how he became this way. Now, what

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:14.320
<v Speaker 2>do I think would be cool? I think would be

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 2>what would be cool is more like agency from everybody

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>who is not Valua and Desmond Heart. I would love

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 2>to see the Emperor being like, do I trust any

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>of these people? Okay? How do I protect myself? How

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 2>do I proceed with the Empress at my side? How

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:36.439
<v Speaker 2>do we put enough insulation between us and Desmond Heart

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 2>and all the rest of these people in case it

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 2>goes a different way. Let's say we have to cut

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Desmond loose? How do we do that safely? Like, here's

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 2>a guy who can burn people with his mind, and yes,

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 2>he's your attack dog now, but what if he's not tomorrow.

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:51.359
<v Speaker 2>I would like to see more characters thinking that way

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.320
<v Speaker 2>about their current situation. You know, do I trust my

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 2>truth sayer?

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>I wish we were seeing more I start having conversations

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 2>with other people about like what do I do about

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 2>this person who's at my side and I don't now

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>know if I can trust them. That's what I would

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 2>like to see as we head down the downslope of

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the season towards the end, is more characters acting like

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.720
<v Speaker 2>they have a say in their own life and wondering

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>if all the people around them are true allies or

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<v Speaker 2>true threats or some shade of in between, and then

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<v Speaker 2>taking measures accordingly. I think that would be cool.

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 4>What about you?

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 2>What would you need to see to make you feel like, Okay,

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:30.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm in for a season two.

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 1>I would need to see a lot more exactly what

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>you're saying. I would need to see a lot more

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Dune level scheming and planning from the Sisterhood. I think

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>what we've seen of the Sisterhood so far in this

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 1>show is not tantalizing enough, because I admit I know

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot about Dune, so maybe none of this is

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 1>like new or mind blowing stuff to me. But I

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 1>wanted to come into the show to be like, oh

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, I'm learning so much about the Sisterhood and

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>their inner workings. And that is a wild plan that

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 1>ex Sister and Dorotea came up with. So I think

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I would like for this Sisterhood plotline to take us

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>somewhere that's new and exciting and mysterious for the Dean universe.

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I think if we are hinting at something like a

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<v Speaker 1>like a Latout character, or if we're going to connect

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>it back to even Paula Trades, it feels like we're

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>chained a little bit too much to the movies. I

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>guess I would like for this show to take its

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<v Speaker 1>own identity and to recognize the fact, as we've discussed,

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 1>that we're ten thousand years away from so much of

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, like really mattering that.

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Much is an immense amount of time.

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 3>It's such a long time.

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>It's enough time for like wild shit like the Sisterhood

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.319
<v Speaker 1>to be eradicated and then come back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great, great point. Let's go to the

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 2>you know what now that we've said that, I want

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 2>to I have a lot of questions for you, but

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they fall under lore. So let's jump

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<v Speaker 2>to lore so super quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to blast through some lower things. I feel

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>free to jump in with questions as well. OK, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to shout out House Vernius. We had a lot

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>of house names dropped in this episode because of the

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<v Speaker 1>lands ride meeting. One of them was House Vernius, who

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:19.240
<v Speaker 1>is a particularly important house in the Brian Herbert prequel stories.

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 1>House Vernius actually calls none other than Planet IX their home,

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>and in fact they are the stewards of Planet X

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 1>for thousands of years, although in this show it's not

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 1>clear if House.

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 4>Vernius is the same thing as X.

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Right now, they do take it over after this timeline,

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>so timeline stuff is still very fuzzy right now, but

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 1>certainly by the time we get close to Paula Trades

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>once we're in the you know, eight thousands, nine thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>close and down on that ten thousand mark. House Vernius

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>has been ruling X for a long long time, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, there's a whole plotline in the prequel books

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>where House Vernius interacts with Duke leto tradees and ultimately

0:38:56.680 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>meets their demise due to tragic events. Speaking of the Excians,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to shout that out as well, because we

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>met an Nix Senes smuggler in today's episode with the

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 1>whole thermal bomb drone thing. And for folks who may

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:11.320
<v Speaker 1>not know, Planet X is basically just the Silicon Valley

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 1>of the Dune universe, there are a bunch of techies.

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:18.839
<v Speaker 1>They are constantly pushing the bounds of the Balerian prohibitions

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 1>against thinking machines, even in Paula Tredy's time, so they

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 1>don't learn their lesson ever, basically over the next ten

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>thousand years. Some fun facts, they are actually responsible in

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the lore for creating those cones of silence that we've

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 1>seen a couple of times in this show, and they

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 1>are responsible for creating the Hunter Seeker, the bomb that

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>we saw in today's episode, and the little needle bug

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 1>thing that attacks Timothy shallow May in the Dune movie.

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I also wanted to shout out that we got some

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Dune terminology here. We got Padishaw Javaco's full title Patashaw

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Emperor of the Known Universe, Havico Karino the First, and

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Patashaw is actually a Persian word. I really appreciated getting

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 1>this in the show because, as we know, Dune borrows

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot from Arabic push though Persian, Hebrew traditions and languages,

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 1>many of them you know, sourced from the Middle East.

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Frank Herbert did a lot of research on those things

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and borrowed a lot of ideas for his stories, and

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:18.760
<v Speaker 1>it was nice to get that as well. Notably because

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<v Speaker 1>the show and the Villaina films in fact, were criticized

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 1>for not calling the wars a gihad. In this it's

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the Butler and Jihad. In the future, it's Paul's gihad,

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 1>which I think is fair. You just can't say the

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 1>word gihad on American television in twenty twenty four, so

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 1>it's fair, you know, I think that is pointlessing to

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:39.800
<v Speaker 1>get up in arms about machine wars.

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:40.399
<v Speaker 4>Totally fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And the last thing we mentioned this earlier Conley. Harold

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 1>harkinin declares Conley in this episode. And this is super

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>interesting because Conley is defined in the Dune books as

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.360
<v Speaker 1>quote a formal feud or vendetta under the rules of

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the Great Convention, carried on according to the strictest limitations.

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:04.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's especially interesting because warfare in the Dune universe

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 1>is not the traditional warfare that we know today. It's

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 1>not the warfare of large armies clashing. It's not the

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 1>warfare of say, like a like a Star Trek or

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 1>a star wars with ships shooting lasers at each other.

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>It is very much about assassins and vendettas and underhanded

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 1>tactics and poisonings and backstabbings. And one way in which

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:29.239
<v Speaker 1>this government is controlling the bloodshed is when you want

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 1>to quote unquote declare war against another house or arrival,

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to declare Conley officially, and hilariously, in the

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Dune Encyclopedia it actually explains you have to fill out paperwork.

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like doing your taxes. You have to declare conly

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and then within a limited capacity under strict rules of war,

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>you are allowed to try to assassinate each other and stuff.

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.799
<v Speaker 1>And so that's practically what Harrol harkinin declared here, which

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 1>is why it's a big deal that he said that

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:56.439
<v Speaker 1>at the Lawndride meeting.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you have other lord questions for me?

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<v Speaker 2>Jason? I do, so, what is going on with Desmond Heart?

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<v Speaker 2>And are there any lore roots for the kind of

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.439
<v Speaker 2>powers that he has?

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't have an answer for what's going on with

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:16.839
<v Speaker 1>Desmond Heart, which is a totally show invention. One thing

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I can theorize, and perhaps the only connection that I

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>can make, is that in the Brian Herbert prequel books,

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>there are straight up like basically sorceresses on a planet

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.320
<v Speaker 1>called Rossick, And it's these sorceresses that actually help found

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 1>are connected loosely to founding the Sisterhood. Actually, these sorceresses

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 1>do have the ability to like telepathically mind blast people.

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:42.360
<v Speaker 1>It's not the same as telepathically burning someone to a crisp,

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>but they do have these abilities. Is Desmond connected to

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.839
<v Speaker 1>a sorceress of Rossick from that planet? Was his mother

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>like a rogue sister who left the Order and that's

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 1>why he has a vendetta against them.

0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It's still up in the air.

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 2>The proto face answer power that we see sister Theodosia

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>display here. You're right in that what we see is

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 2>face answer ish, but definitely not as you know, maybe

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 2>in ten thousand years they've honed the power and it's

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>just a lot easier and it's not what we see here. Yeah,

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 2>that said, do you think that's where they're going with it,

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 2>that this is kind of a proto face answer power?

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.280
<v Speaker 2>And follow up, how do these where do these powers

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>spring from? The voice the face answer power? Where do

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.279
<v Speaker 2>we think that they come from? Because it appears that

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 2>people are just born with it and then develop it

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 2>to the point that they're able to teach other people

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:40.359
<v Speaker 2>how to do it. Yeah, where do they come from?

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 1>So as far as the proto face answer things thing

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>goes in the like post episode discussion thing with the

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 1>show creators, they did refer to it as a proto

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>face answer So that seemingly is the direction they're going

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 1>with it, that this will have some sort of connection

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to the face answers of the far future that we

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.280
<v Speaker 1>know from the books. As far as where the powers

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 1>come from the voice. In this show, we discussed this

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>in the last couple episodes. Did actually start with Volua,

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 1>and it's quite accurate to how it was in the

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 1>books as well. It's a power that she discovered and

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 1>developed over time, and as you said, honed it into

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>something that could be teachable to her fellow sisters. The

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 1>face dancers, on the other hand, are actually more of

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:23.319
<v Speaker 1>like a biological weapon. They were created by a group

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 1>called the Benny Playlax, and the Benny Playlax are super gross,

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 1>but they're very into like biological modifications and genetic modifications,

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and so they create these mules, these face dancers, through

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>these modifications, through biological and genetic tampering, so that they

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>can have like assassins and spies within the imperium. It's

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>a political tool for them, and so for it to

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>just naturally appear is a little confounding. Also famously, the

0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Benny Jeserit in the future, the Benny Jesuit Order and

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the Benny Sleaylax are like bitter rivals. They don't like

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 1>each other. So the fact that this power is appearing

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 1>within the Sisterhood with the sister it's certainly throwing me

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:13.800
<v Speaker 1>off my game. It's nothing that I know about.

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. Thank you for the lowd doownload. Those

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 2>fast and of course.

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Always a pleasure of Jason, and that wraps it up

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 1>for our coverage of Dooing Prophecy episode four. Coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on the next few episodes of x ray Vision, you

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<v Speaker 1>and Rosie are continuing your coverage of the excellent Skeleton

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<v Speaker 1>Crew on Disney Plus, and Carmen and Joelle will continue

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<v Speaker 1>their journey through Robert Egger's filmography with an episode about

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<v Speaker 1>the Northmen coming up as they work their way up

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<v Speaker 1>to No.

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<v Speaker 4>S Faratu on Christmas.

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