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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday, we recap our old shows with all new commentary,

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Speaker 2: updates and insights.

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Speaker 1: Today we're recapping episode ninety, which we named Peak Experience.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out on October twelfth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to the intro of episode ninety. Stephen,

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Speaker 1: if you have to be like a fucking on the

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Speaker 1: street reporter when we're being so interesting, always be a recording, baby.

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Speaker 3: Everyone knows this.

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Speaker 2: Always be recording with us. If we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about Gerard Duppardo, we need everyone to hear it. In

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Speaker 2: the world breaking news America.

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Speaker 1: Gerard dup aurdos to drinking fourteen bottles of wine a day.

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Speaker 2: God damn, dude, his teeth must be more stained than mine.

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Speaker 3: I mean not stained, they're falling out.

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Speaker 2: I mean perhaps, but he's so drunk he doesn't give

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Speaker 2: a fuck.

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Speaker 3: I think that's how much Andre the Giant would drink.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that? And like, yeah, he'd eat like

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Speaker 2: twelve chickens and drink like seventeen six packs of beer.

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Speaker 1: I wish, I wish Vince were her. I can ask

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Speaker 1: him because that's what he would actually do. And then

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Speaker 1: Vince always hated red wine, and then he found out

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Speaker 1: that Andrea the Giant loved Bordeaux.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, he loved Bougolet wine.

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Speaker 1: So we tracked it down and like, now we drink

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Speaker 1: Boujolet wineer the giant drink.

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Speaker 2: You know that. I love giants?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: No, that's aait what it's one of my jams. I

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Speaker 2: had never even thought of that as a thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm upset. Oh, welcome, this is my favorite murder the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I want to start it.

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Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with giants because the rest of it was

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Speaker 3: all bullshit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, was it or was it some of the

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Speaker 2: best podcasting we've ever done? Anyone's ever done? Crown America,

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Speaker 2: Robert Wildlow was in the Guinness Book of World Records.

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Speaker 2: And if you are a child of the late seventies

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Speaker 2: early eighties, like myself, before there was the internet, before

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Speaker 2: there were cell phones and smartphones, before there really even

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Speaker 2: was that much TV. We just had four channels. You

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Speaker 2: did things like sit in your aunt's living room and

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Speaker 2: read the Guinness Book of World Record? Did that so hard? Right? Fuck? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Twins on fat Twins on.

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Speaker 1: Motorcycles, longest nails in the World's nail longest hair.

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Speaker 3: Giants.

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Speaker 2: I love giants. I had no idea. Robert Wildlow was

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Speaker 2: in the Guinness Book of World Records. He's the tallest

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Speaker 2: man I think the tall zone from America. Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say seven foot twelve.

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Speaker 3: And this is my favorite murder podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, now you know it's really us. That was like

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Speaker 2: the pin number of proving that it's us by me

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Speaker 2: saying Robert Wildlow was seven foot twelve.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you my brass story.

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Speaker 1: And when I was in elementary school, like I've had

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Speaker 1: flattest chest forever right.

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Speaker 2: In the in the Guinness Book. Yes, as a matter

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Speaker 1: No, but when I was little, I had like no

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Speaker 1: boobies like most kids do. But like sixth grade when

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Speaker 1: sitting around talking about like what brass size they have now,

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Speaker 1: and someone was like, I have a thirty four A

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Speaker 1: not I was so embarrassing. Yeah, you were just trying

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Speaker 1: to compete. I was just trying to get in there there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But now I just remind you every girl in that

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Speaker 2: circle did the exact same thing at a different period

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Speaker 2: of time. Yes, and that's what no one ever talks about.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes that's why people are so mean, is because

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Speaker 2: people were mean to them when it happened to them.

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Speaker 2: So then when someone else does it, they descend like fucking.

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Speaker 1: And they're so happy it's on someone They attentions on

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Speaker 2: That's what it's all about. Yeah, do you know what this?

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Speaker 1: This is the reason and I wish I had had

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Speaker 1: this when I was done, is how to laugh at yourself?

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Speaker 2: Can that? Just?

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Speaker 1: No one can fucking make fun of you if you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe I said that stupid thing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it doesn't affect you, but.

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Speaker 2: I think when you're at that age, like you can't

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Speaker 2: laugh at yourself until you're around thirty seven. Well, in my.

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Speaker 3: Experience, that's how old I am. Well, congratulations, I think

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Speaker 2: It's going to be so much fun.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, you have to drink twelve bottles

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Speaker 2: of wine a day. You have to day party. That shit.

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Speaker 1: I got about three more bottles to go today and

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Speaker 1: then go, let's get you there, go there. I just

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Speaker 1: love that people have these interests giants for you that

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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of Anna Swan, the giantess of

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Speaker 2: She's humongous. She's humongous and amazing looking, and she married

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Speaker 2: because there's pictures where there are people standing in front

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Speaker 2: because apparently people she got constant marriage proposals. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: that's like part of her story where I'm just like, what,

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Speaker 2: where's this world?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I want to go to that world. I want to

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Speaker 2: be a giant. Yeah that's fucking cool. It's the best.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go back to giants. No,

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Speaker 1: I want that's all I wanted to talk about this

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Speaker 1: whole time. Is your obsessional giants. I really do love

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Speaker 1: when people have this thing that they know all about

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Speaker 1: this is my favorite part of the podcast. That's Karen

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Speaker 1: kil Gariff. I'm Georgia Hardstark. That's right, Okay, I have

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Speaker 1: a couple of things this week to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Now we're really being serious.

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Speaker 1: Before we start the murder this all right? Everyone could

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Speaker 1: stop telling us to listen to Dirty John. Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: a new podcast, it's happening. I've listened to an episode

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Speaker 1: and a half. Here's the two problems I have with it.

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Speaker 1: One Vince found out the ending and.

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Speaker 2: Told me for some reason, but I did think.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna listen, just tell me, and he told me, Oh,

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Speaker 1: then that's your fault. It's totally my fault. And then

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Speaker 1: the other thing is the women, the daughters who are

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Speaker 1: That's a serious problem. Yeah, yeah, you don't want that

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: But it's a good story and I'm excited to listen.

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Speaker 1: I mean people are going crazy about it. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: reminds me of s Town a little bit, so I'm listen.

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Speaker 1: I got my heart broken by s Town. So dear John,

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Speaker 2: You to Dear John that you mean the jud Hirsh series. Yes,

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Speaker 2: people get obsessed. And here's what I love. I sit

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Speaker 2: back when those things hit and I just let him go.

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Speaker 2: the first wave is everyone going, this is amazing. You

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Speaker 2: Or it sucked. That's who I am, right, And then

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Speaker 2: always be someone that's like, no, here's what, here's the situation, right,

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Speaker 2: nothing's perfect, but it's like but it gets you here

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a different that's such a it's such

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Speaker 1: So them saying everyone's obsessed with it, where it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Okay, the other thing. And then Stephen sent

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Speaker 2: It's propaganda, like trying to get people to move to Jonestown.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look how happy everyone is. They're smiling, they're working,

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Speaker 1: And then there's like one photo of there's a couple

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Speaker 3: And it's just fucked up. So gear into that shit,

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Speaker 2: We actually talked about it at La Podfast. But the

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Speaker 1: And now Peter Matson is being looked into for unsolved.

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Speaker 2: Murders in Norway and Sweden. I didn't know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's fucking I love one. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Well, just that this is developing.

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Speaker 2: another show that's out. It's Mike Judge's Tales from the

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Speaker 2: Tour Bus. And this is completely off of any topic

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Speaker 2: It was a show that probably if you put it

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Speaker 2: He has narrated our lives.

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Speaker 3: He's narrated my life.

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Speaker 1: Swear to God except fact check that Stephen like swear

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Speaker 2: just talking about a brand new podcast called Dirty John. Ugh.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine how been spoiled that for me? Like,

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Speaker 1: how did he know about it? Had he already known

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Speaker 2: I doubt it. I'm the true crime one in the family.

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Speaker 2: It turns out, yeah, that didn't all pay. It's so

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Speaker 2: Nobody's getting out of here live. I'm telling you that

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Speaker 1: No way, No, Danny Glover has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: Cold Case Files. What the where did I get that from?

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Speaker 1: That would be great, though, Can I suggest it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you were thinking of a different

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that we just didn't know anything and it

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Speaker 2: We really were like, oh well whatever, throw it out there.

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Speaker 1: Steven, keep recording because this is this is brilliant information

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Speaker 1: that they need to.

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Speaker 2: Still very funny. Also, sorry, anybody's gonna call me a

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Speaker 2: But I was like, you liked I didn't know you

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Speaker 2: liked giants? What? That's right? We can't remember everything from

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Speaker 1: It's actually perfect timing because MFM Animated's newest episode is

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Speaker 2: I won't drop it.

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Speaker 1: It's on our YouTube page at YouTube dot com slash

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Speaker 1: exactly right, Media, Well you shouldn't because it's new information

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well, it's good to update other people about

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Speaker 1: If they may be, they make up at every flavor, right,

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Speaker 2: and we absolutely should because oh man, I can remember

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Speaker 2: Are you first, Turm my first? I think it's you.

439
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 3: I think it's me too.

440
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, are we counting that? Yeah?

441
00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 1: We're counting what happens to us. We're counting what we decide. Yeah,

442
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go first. All right, have a peak

443
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 1: experience with this one. All right, it's October, everyone's favorite month.

444
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 1: It's fucking Halloween time. Listen, let's do this.

445
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: It's like you're giving me a sales pitch in a

446
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 2: voice that says, I'm not interested, I'm not interested in

447
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 2: working with you.

448
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: Well, I did this murder because I wanted to do it,

449
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: and then I realized I could fucking tag it on

450
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 1: to the fact that it's Halloween time. Oh yeah, but

451
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: it's very loose. Okay, so I don't I'm not I'm

452
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 1: not married to it, you know what I mean?

453
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 2: Got it?

454
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 3: And I also watched this.

455
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: The way I actually did think of doing this is

456
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: I watched this movie on Netflix, like a Netflix movie

457
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: that I had heard nothing about, called Little Evil that

458
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: ended up being so fucking good.

459
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 2: Oh good.

460
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: It's basically If the kid from like if Satan's spawn,

461
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: the spawn of Satan had a mother, and the mother

462
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: was Evangeline Lily, and she married a man who became

463
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: the spawn of Satan stepdad, and it is Adam Scott.

464
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: Oh and it's so charming and so cute and funny.

465
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how this just like went under the radar,

466
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: and Bridget Everett is like his sidekick. Wow, it's such

467
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: a charming movie. So it's like it's it's like comedy.

468
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: It's a dark comedy. That's awesome. It's so good, so

469
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: please go watch it. And then I thought, oh, that's fun.

470
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: So here it is. Here's the story, the real story

471
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: behind the Amityville Horror.

472
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: Yes, are you ready for this? Okay, just really quick.

473
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 2: And I know I've said this a thousand times. The

474
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 2: hardback cup the hardback book of the Amityville Horror. So

475
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: it was shaped like a paperback, but it had a

476
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: hard white cover. Huh was the book in my grammar

477
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: school library that I checked out so many times?

478
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: Sister reader Rose got mad at me. I forgot that

479
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: it was that book. And now I feel like I've

480
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: stolen a murder from you.

481
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: You have not, okay, And I celebrate this, and I'm okay.

482
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: I want to tell baby Karen, a little Karen about

483
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: this story.

484
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: Well she's right here.

485
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 3: Well I'm gonna tell her right, No, I don't want

486
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 3: you to.

487
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: That's what she's like all right.

488
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: So, of course everyone knows about the Amityville Horror the movie.

489
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: It's this haunted house that's like, uh, you know, inhabited

490
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: by Satan and all this bullshit.

491
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

492
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: People maybe don't know that it's actually based on an

493
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: actual story that happened before the haunting.

494
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: That's right. It's a huge fan of the book, me

495
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: and sister Rita Rose. What I loved about the book

496
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: was the fact or this story, whether or not it's true.

497
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: Is It starts out as, oh, they find out this

498
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 2: horrible thing happened in their house, but then they find

499
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: out that there's something else going on, so they but

500
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: that could completely be for like the book and movie.

501
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 3: Who knows if that part tell you, I'll fucking tell.

502
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: You, sweet Yeah, here we go. Yeah, all right.

503
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: So the family, the Dafeo family. They consist of Ronald

504
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: Fao Senior is forty four and his wife Louise forty two.

505
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: Ronald is a car salesman at the family dealership. Super

506
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: fucking successful mob tize maybe probably pretty much, definitely, I mean,

507
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: don't all Italians have mob ties?

508
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she just defended a quarter of our

509
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: How dare you so?

510
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: The random fucking.

511
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: Car dealership is doing so well in Brooklyn that the

512
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: Dafeo family is able to move from their apartment in

513
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: Brooklyn to a three story colonial in the charming town

514
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: of Amityville on Long Island, about an hour outside.

515
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: Of the city.

516
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: Do the whole thing in that voice, Okay, I was

517
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: trying to be a real estate agent.

518
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: Oh that's fun. Yeah, that's why you put that neckerchief

519
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: on and bake some cookie. Yep, all right. They chose

520
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: this home.

521
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: And as you saw on the cover of the Amityville book,

522
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: it's a piece of America, two stories plus an addict.

523
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: It's huge and sprawling.

524
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: There's a boat house right on the Ambyville River, and

525
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: out front they put a sign post that says high Hopes,

526
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: basically naming the house. So it's this gorgeous, huge colonial

527
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: house that has eyes. It has it looks like it

528
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: has eyes because it has these two windows up in

529
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: the attic that look like eyes.

530
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

531
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: So the oldest of the Dafayo children is Ronald Butch

532
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: Dafayo Junior. He's born on September twenty sixth, nineteen fifty one.

533
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: Ronald Senior, the dad, is a dominary man. He would

534
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: fucking pick fights with his wife and children. He was

535
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: physically abusive, and the target of a lot of this

536
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: abuse was Ronald Junior. I'm gonna call him Butch, partly

537
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: because he was the eldest, so there's a lot of

538
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: expectations on him.

539
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 3: And it's said that he would beat the shit out

540
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 3: of him.

541
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: You'd throw him against a wall and hit his head,

542
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: So there's the head injury aspect.

543
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: Oh y'all know and love.

544
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: So as Butch gets older, he starts fighting back, and

545
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: he's also known as a bully at school.

546
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: He's just like angry, mean kid.

547
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 2: And just get bullied. Bullies are bullies because they've been

548
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: bullied exactly.

549
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: So the parents they try to take him to Butcher,

550
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: to a psych psychiatrist. He fucking refuses to go, and

551
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: so instead they're like, let's just appease and placate him,

552
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: and they start buying him anything he wanted and giving

553
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: him money.

554
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: Like, if that's their solution, I bet it worked, right.

555
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, the only way we would

556
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: know if someone would do it to us, that's really should.

557
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 3: Try it, That's all I'm saying.

558
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: What a bizarre plan. I mean like because I understand

559
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: that they were rich, but yeah, that I feel like,

560
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: never in the history of man has that work. Clearly

561
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: it's never worked up.

562
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: But I understand, especially back in the seventies, it's like, well,

563
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: here's what we'll do. If he's never unhappy, he's never

564
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: going to get mad, right, you know, right, And so

565
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: they start buying him a bunch of shit, including a

566
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand dollars speedboat when he was fifteen. Fourteen thousand

567
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: dollars today would buy you a nice car back then.

568
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: Can you imagine this? Okay, so these people something happen

569
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: and they're swimming in money.

570
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: Why would then own the Sun's owner of a card

571
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: dealership in Brooklyn have that much fucking money?

572
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: I mean quality salesman. Just he's really friendly, and he's

573
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: got a couple pinky rings, not just one like normal

574
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: car salesman, but a couple.

575
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 1: Well that's the other thing too, is he looks like

576
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: Tony Soprano. Yeah, he's got that big, bulky, you know,

577
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: intimidating presence. He's kind of you know, he speaks like

578
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: a long islander, the word which I will refuse to do.

579
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: Hey, the parkways over buy my pocketbook. It's a love

580
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: of that kind. Why is there a parkway by his pocketbook?

581
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: It's those are the two words that remind me of

582
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: Long Island because my friend Vicki. I used to work

583
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: with my friend Vicky, who is from Long Island, and

584
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: those are the first like two things I heard her

585
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: say on like one of the first days that we

586
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: worked at Ellen together, where I was like, where are

587
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: you from. There's no such thing as a parkway out here? Yeah?

588
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: And pocketbooks, wallets stop it, calm down. She also used

589
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: always say food shopping.

590
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to go food shopping where I'm like, that's

591
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: just shopping, you know, I don't care you have to specify.

592
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we get it. It doesn't matter.

593
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: Had I just got my food shopping done.

594
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: How about you, I just went shopping for food.

595
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: How about you don't tell me about your fucking errands?

596
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: Just how about we all do it? Listen? I love

597
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: you Italians, Vicki.

598
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: And Long Islanders.

599
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: Vicky aren'ts apologies.

600
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: And advance Boo boo boo bah okay.

601
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: Of course, not surprisingly, it only made things worse, and

602
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: by seventeen Butch had become an LSD and heroin user. Oh,

603
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: which is like heroin in the seventies. Crazy, right, that's.

604
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: When it was really organic, just a gorgeous golden brown.

605
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: It was like a pure trip. It was more of

606
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: it was what the Native Americans did around that area.

607
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: It was like a peace pipe it with heroin injected

608
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: into your arm. I do feel like though, people were

609
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: so naive about drugs in the seventies. Like my friend

610
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: Darry had a story about doing I think they called

611
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: it window pane, which is that intense acid from the seventies.

612
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Now.

613
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: She said they were tripping for days now. Every day

614
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: they saw the whole world in a different color. So

615
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: the first day it was red and the second day

616
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: was purple.

617
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, cool, but I don't want that

618
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: sounds it makes me sick to my stomach.

619
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: Now, I was thinking that to it, it's just like

620
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: won't ever end? And that was just like because they

621
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: walked home from school and a guy was like, hey,

622
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: do you want to buy this acid?

623
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

624
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: He loved it. He loved making them trip that hard.

625
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: Oh fuck that crazy? Okay.

626
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I ate crayons as a joke once when I was

627
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: on LSD. Let's not talk about it. My friend and

628
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: I were like, let's chew these crayons up and see

629
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: what happens when we split them out.

630
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: Be really pretty?

631
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, cut this immediately?

632
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: Was it pretty? It was gorcious. I wore a vinyl

633
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: dress to my own Christmas party and I was answering

634
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: the door and people were like, are you okay? And

635
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: then I realized it was because my I was so

636
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: cold my lips were blue. But I was like, this

637
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: outfit is amazing. I look like I'm from Space hosting

638
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: a party on acid. Not a good idea never ever.

639
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: Don't do drugs, okay, don't do drugs. Everybody expelled from

640
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: school as well. So at eighteen, he's a fell control

641
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: and they're like, you know what, you know, we'll fix him.

642
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: Let's give him a job at the family car dealership. Yes,

643
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: let's do that. There it is.

644
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Let's not give him a lot of responsibilities and let's

645
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: give him a large salary.

646
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: Boom, Sorry, you're reading me the Donald Trump story. What's happening?

647
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: Ooh ooh political? You better be careful. I liked them

648
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: till they got political. Fucking mom. Okay, so he is

649
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: the boss's son, asshole that's coming in on a full salary,

650
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: but does not have to do anything.

651
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: The boss's son, and then the boss is his grandson. Oh,

652
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: and he's just like pay me, motherfuckers.

653
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: How about you pay me? And he looks like he.

654
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: Looks and he's probably the original Brooklyn hipster. He looks

655
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: like this Brooklyn hipster sideburns. What more do you need? Sideburns, beard,

656
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: like seventies garb. But it's because it's in the seventies, right,

657
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not just like fucking

658
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: bedbug used outfits from a thrift store, right, It's the

659
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: real deal.

660
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: It is real. So okay, b ba.

661
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: But he's he uses the money the salary he makes

662
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: to buy guns, alcohol, and drugs and continues his shitty behavior,

663
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: which included.

664
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: Runs with the lah blah blah blah. Okay.

665
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: Once, during a fight between his so, his mom and

666
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: dad were fighting, meaning the dad was like fucking bulling

667
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the mom, Butch points a twelve gage shotgun at his

668
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: father and pulls the trigger. The gun malfunctioned and didn't

669
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: fucking shoot.

670
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

671
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: So this guy's out of his mind.

672
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: So in the weeks before the murder, this thing happened

673
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: where But it's nineteen seventy four, Butch is given the

674
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: job of depositing more than twenty grand in from the

675
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: car dealership to the bank. They're like, go to the bank,

676
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: deposit this, use your boat, use your boat, which is like,

677
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: why are you giving this kid that money? And not surprisingly,

678
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: he reports that he had been robbed at gunpoint while

679
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: he was waiting at a red light, but he had

680
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: actually planned the mock robbery, and at first the dad

681
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: seemed to believe it, but when the police showed up

682
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: to question him, which is like, stick with your story, bro,

683
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: he fucking loses his shit and is super pissed off

684
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: and refuses to cooperate. And then so his dad realizes

685
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: something isn't right and he thinks his son is was

686
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: up to it, and Butch threatens to kill him, so

687
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: to kill the dad again.

688
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

689
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: Now a week later, cut to the early morning hours

690
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: of November thirteenth, nineteen seventy four. The family is sleeping

691
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: and Butch goes around with a shotgun. So the first

692
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: shot he goes into his parents' room. They're sleeping on

693
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: their stomachs. The first shot hits Ronald Sr. In the back,

694
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: tearing through his kidney and exiting through his chest. He

695
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: fired another round into his back and it pierces his

696
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: father's spine and lodged in his neck.

697
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: He's dead.

698
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 3: Then he shoots his mother twice as well.

699
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: It shatters her ribcage, collapses her right lung, and physical

700
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: evidence shows that Louis's mother was awake when she was shot,

701
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: like she went to turn around to see what was

702
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: going on. They're both on their stomachs when they're found.

703
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Then Butch goes into his sweet baby brother's rooms, Mark

704
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: who's twelve, and John Matthew who's nine, and shoots them

705
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: both while they're face down in their beds. And then

706
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: he ends by shooting his sister's point blank versus Alison

707
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: who's thirteen, and he shoots her in the face and

708
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: then is young and she's killed instantly. And then he

709
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: turns on his sister Dawn who's eighteen, and shoots her

710
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: in the head, blowing off the left side of her face.

711
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: So fucking brutal with a shotgun. So just after three am,

712
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: in a span of less than fifteen minutes, Ronald Butch

713
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: Tafao Junior had brutally slain every member of his family.

714
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: They were all found lying on their stomachs in bed,

715
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: butch showers, trims his beard, gets dressed in jeans and

716
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: work boots, and then he collects his bloody clothing and

717
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: the rifle wraps my bone a pillowcase, and on his

718
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: way to work, he disposes of the pillowcase and everything

719
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: in it by tossing them into a strain, a straw

720
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: warm drain. I spelled that wrong, tossing them into a

721
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: storm drain.

722
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: And that's where the clown from It was waiting. That's

723
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: the scariest like I've ever heard in my life.

724
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: White As you say that, well, that's what I think

725
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: of when I think a storm drain. Totally that or

726
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: that or JFK being killed because they arrested someone in

727
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: a storm drain, not after it happened.

728
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: No, yeah, we'll get you know what, Maybe I'll do

729
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: it one day.

730
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: Shit, I'd never heard that. Yeah, every time I walk George,

731
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: my dog, she if we walk, there's a storm drain

732
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: that we always walk by, and she always has to

733
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: go and stick her head down in it. And every

734
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: time I'm like, if that fucking clown from It is

735
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: in there, I am going to lose it. She's gonna

736
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: get her head chomped off by what a clown?

737
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: She loves it in there. So many smells, so many raccoons, Okay,

738
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: then tosses in a storm drain. Then goes to work

739
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: at the car dealership at six am.

740
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: Oh all by himself. Yeah.

741
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, goes to work at the family car dealer, the

742
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: family car dealership, and I think they were like, what

743
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: are you doing here at six am?

744
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: It's weird anyway. It's like, you know me, butch how

745
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: much I love working? Yeah, getting along with people. I

746
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: want to get an early start. Come on, I got

747
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: my boots on.

748
00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 3: My jeans.

749
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: My beard is trimp So throughout the morning, he keeps

750
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: saying like, I don't know why my dad's not here yet,

751
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: so he keeps calling home. He leaves work around noon,

752
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: and he spends the day with his friends, and to

753
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: secure an alibi, he tells them that that he couldn't

754
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: seem to reach anyone at home, to let them know

755
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: that he's like trying, and hey, look, no one's answering.

756
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

757
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: He ends up at a bar real close in Amityville,

758
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 1: real close to his house and then is like, hey, guys,

759
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go check on my family. It's so weird

760
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: that I haven't heard from them. And then at six

761
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: point thirty that night, he burst back into the bar

762
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: and yells, you gotta help me. I think my mother

763
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: and father are shot. So Butch in a small group

764
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: of people from the bar went to the home and

765
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: they found the whole family done in their beds.

766
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: When the detectives questioned Butch.

767
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: About who could be a suspect in the murders, he

768
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: told them that he believed that a mafia hit man

769
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: named Louis Fellini may have been responsible, and that his

770
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: whole family was like in with the mob, and that

771
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: they had wronged a Fellini family in some way and

772
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: they were pissed off at him.

773
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: So he then gives them the alibi if I've been

774
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: gone all day.

775
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: And when I left the house this morning, my whole

776
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: family was I think they were still alive. So they

777
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: the police take him into protective custody while they searched

778
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: for the suspect. But when they searched the house, they

779
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: found an empty box for a recently purchased thirty five

780
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: caliber Marlin gunn it's for you gun people in Butch's room,

781
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: and when the timeline came together. It placed Butch at

782
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: home at the time of the homicides, not after he left,

783
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: so when they question him, he begins to change the story.

784
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: He says that Felini had appeared at the house early

785
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: that morning, put a revolver to his head, and dragged

786
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: him from room to room as they murdered his family.

787
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: Him and an accomplice murdered his family, making Butch watch.

788
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: Then eventually, under questioning, he broke down and confessed to

789
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: killing his family, saying, once I started, I just couldn't stop.

790
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: It went so fast. On trial, his defense lawyer, William Webber,

791
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: tried to prove that he was insane, saying that he

792
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: heard demonic voices that told m to kill's family, but

793
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: the psychiatrists for the prosecution proved that he suffered from

794
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: antisocial personality disorder, which doesn't mean you're crazy. The illness

795
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: made him aware of his actions but motivated by a

796
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: self centered attitude, and even at one point during the

797
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: trial he threatened to kill both his own lawyer and

798
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: the jug they put him on. They put him on

799
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: the stand, and this dude is just like fucking crazy

800
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: as shit.

801
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like that's his solution to a lot

802
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: of problems. Is I'll kill you Yeah, yeah, which really,

803
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: you know, as we're learning, is a non solution. Yeah.

804
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: It's this thing of like people pretending to be crazy

805
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: to get the verdict of insane. And it's like, no,

806
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: you're just proving what a piece of shit you are.

807
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: And you're also understanding that you need to plot this out,

808
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: so it makes you look sane because you understand reasoning

809
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: and plotting.

810
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: Yes, there's not the insanity part, isn't there. It's but

811
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: you are clearly either a sociopath or just the most

812
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: rotten spoiled child of all times. Like is that where

813
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: spoiling children can get you? Yeah, because that should be

814
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 2: a psa. All those kids that are fucking screaming out

815
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: loud in restaurants, it's like, get a hold of it now, yeah,

816
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: or you're going to go the route of the mister

817
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: butch to fail.

818
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: Amen, or at least something close.

819
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: And it's or you're just annoying everyone else around you,

820
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: and like I'm trying to eat in peace.

821
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, just no screaming. How about the rule of no screaming,

822
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: no screaming, and if your child is screaming, take them outside, or.

823
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: How about you glare at your child. No one wants

824
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: you to hit them. No, but how about a good icy.

825
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: My father used to stop us in our tracks with

826
00:39:59,200 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: the look on his.

827
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: Face, Oh my god, let's keep gone too far.

828
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: Well, also, he was very large and intimidating, so I'm

829
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: sure he only had to look at us we'd be

830
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: like oh, and you just like ugh, yeah, sit exactly

831
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: what it's not going? Well? Stop right now? Yeah? Love it.

832
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: So on November twenty first, nineteen seventy five, the jury

833
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: finds Butch guilty on six counts of secondgree murder. He

834
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: sentenced just six consecutive life sentences. But all these questions,

835
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: and this is like one of the reasons why this

836
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: murder is still big to this day and people still

837
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: debate it when it's clear that he just this fucking

838
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: crazy dude on acid and heroin who was a piece

839
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: of shit, narcissistic asshole just killed his entire family. There

840
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: are things that are weird that make people question what

841
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: really happened and think that it didn't happen that way.

842
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: So one of them, which I totally understand and want

843
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: to know the answers to is how did he shoot

844
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: six people in four different rooms without any of them

845
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: waking up or trying to escape. Yeah, and they're all

846
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: they're all on their stomachs when they're shot.

847
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 3: So no one turned over to be like like what

848
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: the fuck was that?

849
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: Like they were drugged. Well that's what I thought too.

850
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: Okay, no drugs in any other systems really period. Oh yeah,

851
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: and no neighbors heard the rifle blasts at all.

852
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: And this is a fucking rifle. Yeah.

853
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: The defense experts conducted an experiment on the Marlin rifle

854
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: and I found that it's report report or report report,

855
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: report report, it's spelled report, guys.

856
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: Just a report.

857
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: Its noise was so loud that it could be heard

858
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: almost a mile away.

859
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: It's a rifle.

860
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how did none of the neighbors hear it?

861
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: And you can see photos. They weren't that far away,

862
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: the neighbors, they were like literally next door.

863
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: I mean he must have done I mean, like, then

864
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: did he put rum in something? I mean like he

865
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: must have affected.

866
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 3: Them in some way, right, But how did the neighbors

867
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 3: not hear it either?

868
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, like silencer.

869
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: No, nothing, No, there's no silencer. There's no drugs in

870
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: the system. Alcohol, I doubt it either.

871
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: Well, but I mean, could there be a silencer that

872
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: they didn't find. I don't know. Yes, I'm putting it out.

873
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, yes, I'm putting it up even

874
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: though I don't know rightful silencer. It's probably satan, could

875
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: be satan. Yeah, it is weird. Everybody's sleeping on their stomachs. Yeah,

876
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: that's why isn't one person sleeping on their side? Right?

877
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: And that's or did he you know there's this The

878
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: obvious answer to me is that he went from room

879
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: to room and was like, stay down, there's someone in

880
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: the house, and like warn them that, like, don't move,

881
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to protect you.

882
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: Maybe, but then why wouldn't the dad get up? And

883
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: then why because the neighbors hear.

884
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: The dad first, he went and killed the dad and

885
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: the mom went into the kids room. I was like,

886
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: you guys, stay in here, something's happening.

887
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: Oh that's fucked, okay.

888
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: Stay on your well why stay on your stomach, Stay

889
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: on your stomach because I'm weird.

890
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: You know what? Else?

891
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: He could have walked in the room and they were

892
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: sitting up and he said, lay down on your stomach

893
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: and then shot them because he didn't want to see

894
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: their faces when he killed them.

895
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: True, but he out one of his sisters in the face.

896
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: Maybe he was particularly hateful of that.

897
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: Maybe, which is it is a thing that they fought

898
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: a lot to Don, the older sister who was eighteen.

899
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: Well, but then there's also the theory, Oh, sorry, are

900
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: you doing more theories? Which one are you gonna do?

901
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: And sarry that don was his co conspirator and she's

902
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: shot people. Let's go to that one. Okay, let's go

903
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 2: to the tapes. So years.

904
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't until years later, though, that Ronnie changed his

905
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: story again while he was in prison and said that

906
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: his sister don was involved in the murders. Now, listen,

907
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: ron Ronnie makes up so many stories that you just.

908
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: They're all bullshit. They're all bullshit. But here they are.

909
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: That she had actually planned the murders with him to

910
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: kill their parents after they had a huge fight with them,

911
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: but they had no plans to kill the siblings. And

912
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: then so she went to kill the parents. And when

913
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: he found out Ronnie found out that Donn had also

914
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: killed the kids, she was so pissed off. He was

915
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: so pissed off. She had wanted to eliminate them as witnesses.

916
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: Is that he wrestled the gun from her and shot

917
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: her in the head himself. So the only person he

918
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: was guilty of killing was this murderer, his sister.

919
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: I mean that sounds like absolute bullshit.

920
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: Fucking lately, Okay, Yeah, I mean, it's just it sucks

921
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: that we can't get any information about what their home

922
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: life is really like from anyone but de feo and secondhand,

923
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, boyfriends and friends saying what it was like.

924
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: But from all their accounts, it wasn't good. Yeah, so

925
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: who knows.

926
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: He And then it was reported during the original police

927
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: investigation that traces of gunpowder were found on Don's nightgown, indicating.

928
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: That she may have fired a weapon.

929
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: But I guess it's also proven that if someone shoots

930
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: you at close range, you can get that as well.

931
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

932
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: Then he claims that his sister Don shot his father,

933
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: then says their mother, distraught over that, shot Don and

934
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: her three youngest kids, so that the mother that down

935
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: killed the dad. The mother killed Dawn, Don and the

936
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: other three youngest children, then shot herself. And then when

937
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: when Butch found out, he flies into a rage and

938
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: fired one bullet at his wounded mother who had just

939
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: shot himself, so the only person he shot was the Like,

940
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: it's just but all that happens way later, he said,

941
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: he makes these stories up later.

942
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: No, no, I get it. Oh, I'm saying, like the

943
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: reason that doesn't fly is because of the laying down

944
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: on the stomach thing. Yeah, like, all you can't have

945
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: that kind of chaos and then everyone end up in

946
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: the same position.

947
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's such a far fetched theory.

948
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: It's stupid, Like to believe it is idiotic, especially with

949
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: only the fucking testimony of a fucking crazy person who's

950
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: trying to get himself away from it.

951
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: Any responsibility of what happened.

952
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost sounds like somebody he like, was sitting

953
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: in jail board and he's maybe the listening if I

954
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: just make up a story.

955
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: Totally totally so in nineteen seventy five, let's get to

956
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: the fucking haunting shit real quick.

957
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 3: Also total bullshit in nineteen seventy five.

958
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: Now we're in a fight, Karen the Catholic, this is

959
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: my favorite story. Okay, I can't say it's bullshit. I'm sorry,

960
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: it's my favorite. I know, I want to believe it's

961
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: so much too.

962
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: But the more I'm reading them where I'm like, I

963
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: know and the movie when I was a kid scared

964
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: the shit out of me.

965
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: I also looked up when that was made, and I

966
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: was like, Nope.

967
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: Too young to have watched this, what like eighty two

968
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: something crazy like that.

969
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 3: I don't know Stephen look it up because that wouldn't

970
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 3: mean I was only two.

971
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: That's an jam Rolland movie right where he's a beard

972
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: and he's like super nuts, a gorgeous movie. I keep

973
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: going to that digital clock that it's like three, yeah,

974
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: twelve or whatever time it was that.

975
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: Every fifteen or something, yeah, and he keeps waking up

976
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: all right. So it's based on the fact that George

977
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: and kafe Lutz they buy about a year after this,

978
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: they buy the Dafeo House for eighty grand. They knew

979
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: about the murder, but they were like, it's cool, we don't.

980
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: Believe in shit. Stephen seventy nine.

981
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: Then I wasn't born yet seventy nine, so I watched

982
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: it in the womb. I I think I watched it

983
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: on like a Friday night. Yeah, we're not going to

984
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: be classics or whatever.

985
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: No, it's a because I remember watching it in my

986
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: aunt's living room. And I wouldn't have watched it when

987
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: I was nine. Yeah, and it was on TV.

988
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: We must have been home alone, turned it on, and

989
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: then I wanted to kill myself. It was like a

990
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: creature features thing. Yeah, you're just like, what's this?

991
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? It terrified me. Remember the flies on the window,

992
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: the flies in the window.

993
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: Wasn't there a scene where like all the they were

994
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: standing outside of the house when they had left it,

995
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: and all the lights were flicking on and off and

996
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: all this.

997
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: Crazy shit was going on and side.

998
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: Yes, that scared me more than anything I ever had

999
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: until I watched it.

1000
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

1001
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that big of a deal. I

1002
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: was a scaredy cat as a kid. It's a very

1003
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: big deal, thank you. All right, Okay, So they buy

1004
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: the house, They're like, no big deal, it's a we

1005
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: got a good deal on it. So George and Kathy

1006
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: and there and Kathy's three kids from a different marriage

1007
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: moved in. That doesn't matter. Then weird shit starts happening.

1008
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: Happening what it doesn't matter?

1009
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't, it doesn't.

1010
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't need to specify that she had three kids

1011
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: from a different marriage. You know, it was just like

1012
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: it's fine, okay, Like I don't want to shame her,

1013
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: like she's oh, she's a divorcee with three kids.

1014
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: You know, Like I don't know why.

1015
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: I did that, Like I'm not judging her.

1016
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: It seems like information you're trying to convey. I don't

1017
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: need to it's unnecessary. And it seems so they were

1018
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: born out of wedlock. No, they were born Listen, let

1019
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: me tell you about her life. Okay, she was a tramp. Okay,

1020
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: so they have a priest come to bless the house.

1021
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: He said he felt an unseen hand slap him yes

1022
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: in one of the rooms, and heard a voice saying.

1023
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: Get out, get out.

1024
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: They said that they had crazy things happen, like windows lock, windows,

1025
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: and doors would inexplicably and then open and close. A

1026
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: devilish creature was seen outside the window at night. George

1027
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: was seemingly quote possessed by an evil spirit, and green.

1028
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: Slime oozed from the walls and ceiling the family. Uh.

1029
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: There was apparitions of hooded figures, clouds of flies. I

1030
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: think I already said that cold chills, personality changes, sickly odors,

1031
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: objects moving about on their own and then the youngest

1032
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: LUTs child, the little girl, became friends with a devilish pig,

1033
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: an evil, demonic pig, imaginary friend called Jody.

1034
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: Yep, Jody the pig.

1035
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 3: Jody the pig, good old Jody the pig.

1036
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: And then Kathy reports that she was often beaten and

1037
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: scratched by unseen hands, and that one night she was

1038
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: levitated off of her bed sit And then George says

1039
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: his wife was physically transformed into an old woman with

1040
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: the face and hair and wrinkles of a ninet year

1041
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: old woman. Which I'm like, that's insulting. Keep that to yourself,

1042
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like convinces like you have

1043
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: too much makeup on. It's like, shut up, you know

1044
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1045
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: But it was demonic forces. It wasn't just like I

1046
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: fear you, I fear your old age in the future, okay.

1047
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: And then you wake up at three fifteen every morning.

1048
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: Oh when the murders happened. So just twenty eight days

1049
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: after they moved in, they fled the house. They left

1050
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: all their clothes in the closets and food in the refrigerator.

1051
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: By the way, when they bought the house, it had

1052
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: all of the Dafeo's furniture still in it except for

1053
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: the mattresses where the kids were fucking murdered. No way,

1054
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: So what the fuck is wrong with you? People like redecorate?

1055
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 2: Man? Like the real estate agent's like, you can buy

1056
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: this as is, Yes's and it's a bargain.

1057
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: You know, that murder house in those feelings that's been

1058
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: fucking closed up forever.

1059
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, can you imagine buying it? Be like, well,

1060
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: this is great than too furniture just leave it? Yeah? No,

1061
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: Well you'd have to really sage that thing. Yeah, you'd

1062
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: have to really clap those corners.

1063
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: You have to light some sage and then light the

1064
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: house on fire with it and burn it to the

1065
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: fucking ground.

1066
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: Go ahead and take that insurance check. Yeah, and buy

1067
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: yourself some mid century modern furniture.

1068
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: Then figure your shit out.

1069
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah and stop buy a mcmanson.

1070
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: Umm.

1071
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

1072
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: So they end up publishing the account of the hauntings

1073
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: in a book that was written by that they worked

1074
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: on with Jay Anson, called The Amityville Horror True Story,

1075
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: which Fell and Know and Love, published as nonfiction in

1076
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, sold more than six million copies. Film

1077
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: version comes out huge box office success. The lets has

1078
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: become famous. They later admit it was a hoax. No, yeah,

1079
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: when concocted with the help of Butcher's defense lawyer William Webber,

1080
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: member him, who was like, no, he's crazy. He heard

1081
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: demonic voices. So they said it wasn't ghosts. They had

1082
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: all these fucking psychics and mediums come in. I was like,

1083
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: there's no ghosts here, it's demonic possession, which I believe

1084
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: in ghosts. Sure, fine, let's have it. But demonic possession

1085
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: is fucking stupid. I don't know famous last words. So

1086
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: William Webber's angle was it.

1087
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: Rather just turned her head all the way around vomited.

1088
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: William Weber remember, was trying to say that is you

1089
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 1: basically using this account who by the way, they said

1090
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: that they came up with after a few bottles of wine.

1091
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I got the heart with the letzes

1092
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: that to like to prove that the house was possessed.

1093
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: And so is Butcher and he was not responsible. Basically, yeah,

1094
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: that's why the family was killed. So Ronnie's still in prison.

1095
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: All of his appeals and requests to the parole board

1096
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: to date have been denied. And that's the Amityville Horror

1097
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: and the murder of the Dafeo families, it's so emily.

1098
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: The question of how he got those that family killed

1099
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: in that manner is so vexing and so fascinating.

1100
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 3: But which way that they're on their stomachs just.

1101
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: That like, yeah, how do you take a rifle and

1102
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: shoot six people or five people and have people not

1103
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: here and have the people not wake up and have

1104
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like that's the weirdest part.

1105
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: By the fifth person in the family, they've heard now

1106
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: four gunshops, and they know that their older brother is

1107
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: fucking crazy. Yeah.

1108
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: Like that's the other thing too, especially Don who was

1109
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: eighteen and grew up with him. It's like they know

1110
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: their brother is crazy, and the whole town was like

1111
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: as soon as they found out what happened, was like, well,

1112
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: Butcher did it?

1113
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: Like everyone fucking knew he was crazy.

1114
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. So but in the Amityville Horror book, they talk

1115
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: about this red room that's in the base mass and

1116
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: how it's filled with evil and all this stuff. And

1117
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: I was so fascinated by this. It's almost like they

1118
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: centralized where the evil was coming from. Yeah, and like

1119
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: people tried to go in there and they would get

1120
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: crazy headaches and all this weird shit would happen.

1121
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: I was so fascinated by that. It doesn't exist. I'm sorry,

1122
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: it exists, Karen.

1123
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: In your mind, Karen, it's six in your heart is

1124
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: so it's fine. I feel like at the heart of

1125
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: every story like that is people want to go like,

1126
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: oh my god, the devil has been here and there's

1127
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: flies on the sewing room window. But at the end

1128
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: of the day, the truth of it is a spoiled

1129
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: asshole drug addict killed his family, which is the thing

1130
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: people can't face because it's not a monster, And how.

1131
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: Could someone kill children, right who had nothing to do.

1132
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 2: Totally in any of this. It's like, so you'd rather

1133
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: be like the devil did exactly. Yeah, it's easier.

1134
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh honey, I'm sorry.

1135
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: Oh what a story. I love it. I can't believe

1136
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: I didn't do that.

1137
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: I know, I can't believe I did. I didn't even

1138
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: cross my mind that that was the story. I don't

1139
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: know why I was thinking of the omen as that story.

1140
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because he's the he's this for you. That's

1141
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 2: like the mark the book you checked out. I totally forgot.

1142
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, cool, but I mean, was it even worse

1143
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: that you can check that book out. It was so scary,

1144
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: it was horrifying. Oh my god, it was very detailed,

1145
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: and I mean the none that was mad at was

1146
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: the scariest part of all. Right, okay, we are back Georgia.

1147
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: Are there any updates for this case? There are.

1148
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: It's so crazy because literally this past weekend, I've been

1149
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: sick and so we've been watching, you know, old TV shows,

1150
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: and we watched In Search of the Amityville horror episode.

1151
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 2: How was it? It's great.

1152
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: It's like, I think it's so recent to when the

1153
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: quote hauntings happened, that he's in the house, Like, yes,

1154
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 1: Leonard Niewoy is in the house showing you around.

1155
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I have to look that up. I bet

1156
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: that whole series is so good to rewatched. Oh my god,

1157
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: it's excellent.

1158
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: It's like like comforting, you know, like the Twilight Zone

1159
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: is kind of Yeah, But anyways, yes, there are updates.

1160
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Butch died in prison. He was

1161
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: sixty nine. He died of natural causes as far as

1162
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: we can tell, but no official cause of death has

1163
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: ever been made public. And in twenty nineteen, yet another

1164
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: film inspired by these murders, The Amityville Murders, was released.

1165
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: I've never watched any of.

1166
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: The actual movies about like based on this of you.

1167
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I watched that one from twenty nineteen in the theater,

1168
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: oh and enjoyed it, But it's all the rehash of

1169
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: the James Brolin original Amityville horror. Oh right, Yeah, I've

1170
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: seen that. It was a movie theater movie, or if

1171
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 2: it was a TV movie.

1172
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: I think it was TV because there's no way my

1173
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: parents would have taken me to that. But I definitely

1174
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: fucking saw it and couldn't sleep saw because of it.

1175
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, so disturbing and so all those things where

1176
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: people are like waking up at twelve twelve and like

1177
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: freaking out. Okay, let's stop it.

1178
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: Let's get into Karen's story about Neville Heath.

1179
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: I did my usual thing where I was watching on Tuesday.

1180
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: I was watching true crime shows all day and then

1181
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I didn't do anything today, so I

1182
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: better pick one of these an episode of one of

1183
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: these things, and do my murder from one of these

1184
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: shows that I just watched. And actually a ton of

1185
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: people told me this, and I knew it, but I

1186
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 2: didn't realize they were saying. So there's a show called

1187
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: Murder Maps on Netflix and it's basically all these murders

1188
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: that have taken place in London or I think England generally,

1189
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: but mostly London, okay, And most of them are really old.

1190
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 2: And it's such a good show. And the guy that's

1191
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: the narrator host I think his name is Nicholas Day,

1192
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: is so dramatic and awesome and it's just great. I

1193
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: love it. And so there was I'd already watched the

1194
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: first two seasons. So every time people would be like,

1195
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: you've got to watch Murder Maps, I'd be like, girl,

1196
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: I've been there and back. Well there was a season

1197
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: three and I didn't know. I think that's what people

1198
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: were trying to tell me. Yeah, I'm going to try

1199
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: to be a better listener. So that's what I was watching.

1200
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: And so this is this is the story of devil Heath,

1201
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: the Lady Killer. So I'm gonna take you. Oh. Also,

1202
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: I just want to say, so it's this episode of

1203
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: Murder Maps. There's a guy that's one of the talking

1204
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: heads and his name is Neil Root and he wrote

1205
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: a book called Frenzy Colon, Heath, High and Christie, and

1206
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: it's basically about the three British serial killers that were

1207
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: caught after World War Two. And there John Christie. I

1208
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: can't remember if I did him or not, but he's

1209
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: that guy. I don't think I did. He's really fucked up.

1210
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: I can't remember what the other guy is. And then

1211
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: the third guy is my guy for this and it's

1212
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: just fascinating because there was maybe the High guy is

1213
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: there was somebody that during World War Two, during like

1214
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: the Blitz, when London was getting the fuck bombed out

1215
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: of here him he was killing people or something like that.

1216
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: They would find.

1217
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: Bodies and they would assume, oh, this must be another

1218
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: thing from the bombing, another nicked up victim.

1219
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: Thank you, trophy. It's been a long day. It's been

1220
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: a long day. Okay, So anyway, this is this is

1221
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: These were all really good stories, but this guy was

1222
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: especially interesting. So I'll give you a little history, as

1223
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: they do in murder maps to kind of set the scene. Yes,

1224
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: May eighth, nineteen forty six, it's victory victory in Europe

1225
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: day is what they called it. So finally world War

1226
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: two is over and England and London specifically have just

1227
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: gotten a shit beaten out of it. Oh yeah, it's

1228
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: pretty amazing how badly London was bombed and totally and

1229
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 2: made it.

1230
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: If you go look at there's there's a lot of

1231
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: those photos of before and after.

1232
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's insane. It's insane. And what I really loved,

1233
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: and that what this show is really good at doing

1234
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: is they started talking about how like how it affected

1235
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 2: the culture because so for like you know, over sixty

1236
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 2: basically all of the men left went off to fight war,

1237
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 2: all of the women took over their jobs. I never

1238
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: knew this, but in that time of all the like

1239
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: women had like hard labor jobs, and they were talking

1240
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: about it. In the setup of This and Women, what's

1241
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: the women built the Waterloo Bridge in London? And when

1242
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: the guy, when the narrator says that in the show,

1243
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: it cuts to this live black and white footage of

1244
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: all these women sitting in basically what looks like men's

1245
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: work gear, smoking cigarettes and like sitting on the bridge.

1246
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: Ye as like taking a lunch break from building it, dude.

1247
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: And that's what happened, you know, as everybody knows, like

1248
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: all the men were gone, so women became truck drivers.

1249
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: Women worked in factories, made bombs, did all the went

1250
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: into the army themselves, like it's kind of amazing. So

1251
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: then when the war ended and all these soldiers came back,

1252
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: they thought they were just going to take their jobs

1253
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: again and like everything would be normal. But this culture

1254
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: shift had changed that was so radical where women were like, well,

1255
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: fuck you, we had to do it out of necessity,

1256
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: and now we're like, we can do it.

1257
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 3: And also, why didn't you tell us pants were so comfortable?

1258
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1259
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: How dare you keep pants from us for this long?

1260
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: Only the horse ladies got pants? That's bullshit. So so

1261
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: I think that's kind that part is very exciting, where

1262
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: it was like a woman's movement purely by necessity, where

1263
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: they were it's the modal we can do it thing

1264
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 2: where it's like not only can you do it, you're

1265
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: fully going to do it, and then you're going to

1266
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: want to keep doing it even though men are back

1267
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: and they're like, now I work at the factory and

1268
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: they're like, get the fuck out of here, buddy. They

1269
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: didn't do that, but it was a hard uh you know. Uh.

1270
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 2: Of course soldiers had a hard time reacclimating in all ways,

1271
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: but then especially culturally because this was a world that

1272
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: they didn't live in before they left. Ye, women were

1273
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I'll take care of it.

1274
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 3: And they're traumatized.

1275
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: I mean, they'd seen horrible things and everyone was desensitized

1276
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: now that they had all lived through those who lived

1277
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 2: through this horrible time in life. They said that because

1278
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, like true crime and crime has always been huge,

1279
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: especially in England and in I don't know if it's

1280
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: Georgian England. In like early eighteen hundreds England it was

1281
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 2: really popular. But after World War Two, people in you know,

1282
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: people who had watched their neighbors be blown up by

1283
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: bombs or lost their brothers and husbands and you know,

1284
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 2: boyfriends in the war, they'd all become incredibly desensitized, so

1285
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: they weren't people didn't shy away or like death and

1286
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: murder were not taboo anymore. They were very interested in

1287
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: it because now it was like, it's not happening to me,

1288
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: that makes sense. So they're finally like, oh, I can

1289
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: read a story where it's not me with the bullet

1290
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: coming at me.

1291
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: It's like this happens and it's not in the fucking

1292
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: battlefield and all that exactly.

1293
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,919
Speaker 2: It's like a huge almost a bigger relief. So that's

1294
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: kind of like the world they live in, one of

1295
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: the people. Oh and also this is just an interesting aside.

1296
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: And they had video of these guys, the true crime

1297
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: reporters of the time, from all of those major newspapers

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Speaker 2: in London. They themselves became famous because the stories they

1299
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: reported were getting so popular. They called them the Murder Gang,

1300
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: and they were like reporter of the crime reporter from

1301
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: the Sun, the crime reporter from the you know whatever

1302
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: that all those newspapers are. It was kind of the

1303
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 2: beginning of British tabloid reporting and the true these true

1304
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: crime guys were like big time, the true crime Gang,

1305
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: the murder Gang. Oh that's what I meant. Yes, I

1306
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: could feel that. So they were kind of like local stars.

1307
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: One of the guys that came back at this time

1308
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: was a manned named Neville Heath. Now he was not

1309
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: like all the Oh he was very good looking. He

1310
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: kind of looks like the actor Patrick Wilson, you know

1311
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 2: that guy. He's like blonde, kind of wavy hair, cleft chin.

1312
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 2: He was in like Little Children, he was in he

1313
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: was in all the conjuring movies.

1314
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: He plays that Yeah, he's great. This guy looks like

1315
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: that guy.

1316
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: He is a tall, beautiful blonde man who had gone

1317
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: off and was in He had joined the Arif in

1318
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty seven when he was still a teenager. But

1319
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: he had he came from like a nice middle class family.

1320
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: Always had problems with criminal behavior, always petty theft, doing

1321
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: little things here and there. When the war effort started,

1322
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: he was like, I want to be a pilot, and

1323
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: so he joined the Arif. But then he stole funds

1324
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: from the mess hall and he ended up going a

1325
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 2: wall because he didn't want to face it. And he

1326
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: kind of slowly developed into a man because he was

1327
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: he could talk his way out of anything. He got

1328
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: people like people kind of fell in love with him.

1329
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: All the time, blonde people with fucking chin clefts.

1330
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 2: A blonde with a chin cleft, and like, I bet

1331
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: you he had a very deep, soothing voice, like he

1332
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: was one of those people that just like never didn't

1333
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: have a good thing to say.

1334
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 3: Watch out for those guys, Z watch it.

1335
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: He also so he was he was doing all kinds

1336
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: of uh like he He was eventually caught from going

1337
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: a walt by trying to apply for credit by fraud.

1338
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: So he was using all these aliases. He's like James

1339
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: Bond kind.

1340
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: Of yeah, like a bad guy James Bond.

1341
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: Okay, like one of a James Bond villain in the making,

1342
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: but good looking? Were there any Were there any James

1343
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: Bond villains that.

1344
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: Were good looking?

1345
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: Male?

1346
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know.

1347
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: That's a different podcast. It's called James Bonding Demographic. Yeah,

1348
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: he called himself Major Rupert Brooke. He called himself Lord Dudley.

1349
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: Of course he did Gilly. So he was trying to

1350
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 2: pull for credit in under these false names. Got caught.

1351
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: That's how he got arrested. He went to a borstal,

1352
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 2: which is I don't it's a jail, but I don't

1353
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,479
Speaker 2: know why that's different than a normal jail.

1354
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: Just feeds you air food, probably, I think, so that's

1355
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: what it is. It sounds like they send you to Russia.

1356
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: It sounds like there's like, hey on the ground in yourself.

1357
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh that's a horse stall.

1358
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: You're wait, why don't I click this live link and

1359
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: tell you that a bor staal is a type of

1360
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: youth detention center. So he was so young he was

1361
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: going to a youth detention he knew that I knew that.

1362
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 2: Don't knock like I didn't know that virgin.

1363
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 3: We were testing you guys, you listeners.

1364
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 2: But here's the problem. He flourished in jail.

1365
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: He he he was a psychopath.

1366
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: Test he's a full on Psychopathe flourished in jail. He

1367
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: flourished in jail. The got the governor of the jail

1368
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 2: and everbody's basically like the warden of the boys jail

1369
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 2: kept giving him leadership duties and eventually supported his application

1370
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: for the Air Force in nineteen thirty nine. It sounds

1371
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 2: like he.

1372
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: Could have been a really successful person if he had

1373
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: just not been a dick, if.

1374
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 2: He hadn't been a cheater, cheater pumpkin either. Happy Halloween, everybody.

1375
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: We are on theme. This is a themed episode. We

1376
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 2: are not evergreen. We are of the moment. He tried

1377
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 2: to re enlist in the Air Force. When the governor

1378
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: supported out for the application, the Air Force was like, no, thanks, criminal,

1379
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: will you tried this alrighty, pal, and you get that

1380
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: one shot. He joined the Royal Service Corps and he

1381
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: was stationed in the Middle East and over there. He

1382
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: did all this his same business like he had to

1383
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 2: keep doing it. The second he got there he pretended

1384
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 2: to be a man. Oh no, I'm sorry. When he

1385
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: in the Middle East, he got court martialed. He he

1386
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 2: basically stole, got court martialed, was sent home in disgrace,

1387
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: and on the boat ride home he jumped off the boat.

1388
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: Like the boat docked in South Africa. He got off

1389
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 2: and bailed and escaped essentially and then started calling himself

1390
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: Captain Celway in South Africa and captain So fun so far,

1391
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he had a good time with it.

1392
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: He had a limp and a monocle as Captain Selway,

1393
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: and our guy Neil Root was like he was just

1394
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: an actor like he was. He got super into these

1395
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: roles and he became the people. He's an adventurer, totally

1396
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 2: kills people until yeah, so let's see last my spot.

1397
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: That's when you can't steal your bit that computer wise

1398
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: gets me.

1399
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: Down on my spot. It helps, it really helps, thanks Stephen.

1400
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 2: He joins the South African Air Force under the name

1401
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Colonel James Armstrong. Okay, which is kind of amazing.

1402
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: It's so long ago that you could join like a

1403
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 2: government agency and they'd be like, we haven't caught up

1404
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: to you yet. We don't worry.

1405
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: You could be like, here's my title and I'm like, okay, great,

1406
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: there's no way to check this goodbye. Yeah, but it's

1407
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: like what was it written on a fucking napkin? Like

1408
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. And he's just like, no, this

1409
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: is who I am and everybody trusts me. But it's

1410
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: like he's smooth talker. All you have to be as confident.

1411
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: People fucking believe you.

1412
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 2: If you're beautiful, the world is your oyster and that'd

1413
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 2: be nice. I mean, let's keep it positive. So uh

1414
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 2: so he flew missions as lieuten Colonel James Armstrong. But

1415
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: then finally they found out that he was this criminal guy.

1416
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: And he couldn't pain Maybe he's like he was like into.

1417
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 2: I get you know.

1418
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: At the time, it was like World War two and

1419
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: it was like the Air Force pilots were these shit

1420
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: oh they were the hot hotties.

1421
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: So he just wanted a slice of that. Amen. He

1422
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: got deported back to England. He arrived in January of

1423
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,759
Speaker 2: nineteen forty six. He tried to go to the London

1424
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: School of Navigation because his idea is all be a

1425
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 2: commercial pilot, and he actually went studied there, worked really hard, tried,

1426
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: and then near the end they found out about all

1427
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: of his court martials and all his bullshit from the

1428
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 2: army and basically being a criminal, and they told him

1429
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: you will never be a commercial pilot and they kicked

1430
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 2: him out. So his family thinks like he's telling the

1431
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 2: story of like, oh, I was a pilot in the

1432
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 2: army and no, I'm going to be a commercial pilot

1433
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 2: and everybody don't worry about it. So now he can't

1434
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 2: tell them that he none of that's going to work

1435
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: out because he can't keep his hands out of the till.

1436
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 2: So he lies to them, and then I think that's

1437
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: part of the pressure starts mounting. And what he ends

1438
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 2: up doing is drinking and going to dance halls all

1439
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: the time. Sounds like a blast, right and he and

1440
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: he's of course a huge womanizer because he's he's beautiful

1441
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 2: or good looking. Let's say he's he's no Paul Onions.

1442
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: Can I just say really quickly, Vince told me a

1443
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: story the other day when we were on the plane

1444
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: on the way home from Australia and he saw that

1445
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: like Risamed, there was like a TV show with Risomed

1446
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: on the plane and he walked by in said ReSm

1447
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: Eds on TV, and you heard him say risameds and

1448
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: c one yes, lost your shit. Why did you guys

1449
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: tell me about that the minute we got off the plane.

1450
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 2: I had no memory of that until you just said

1451
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 2: it right now, because he was walking by and just

1452
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: said it in that Vince way, like fast and kind

1453
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 2: of like yeah. And but the excitement he said it,

1454
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 2: like the look on his face was like Risamed's here. Yeah.

1455
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 2: And then I was like in my pod, all half

1456
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 2: asleep and weird, and I was just like, wait, want,

1457
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, it's not I mean, I'm not sure.

1458
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 2: There are some people that would go and squat by

1459
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 2: their seat, like sat on his lap. I not only

1460
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 2: would not have sat on his lap. I would have

1461
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 2: had a mean look on my face in Casey saw

1462
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: me and been looking at the groundlands.

1463
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: You know what kind of shitty friend I am, But

1464
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: like the best kind of friend is. I would have

1465
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 1: been like, let's walk by him, and then I would

1466
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: pushed you into him. Yeah, and you know so it

1467
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: looks like you bumped into him. You're the perfect wing man.

1468
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: I am such the wingman because you're going to work

1469
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: against all of my serious problems, which is the best

1470
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: way to flirt is to act like you're angry and

1471
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: walk away.

1472
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: Women.

1473
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: Let's not pandemic. I act like a human and speak

1474
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: to the person.

1475
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: No so, moving on.

1476
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: Somed ResMed is back in England. No so, uh Neville

1477
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: heath Is.

1478
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: He's under pressure, he's a failed he's a failed pilot.

1479
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 2: He's not he's acting and can you know, hold himself

1480
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: to be this person? But he actually doesn't have any

1481
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: of the credit. But he's so, he's meeting a bunch

1482
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 2: of women. He takes a room at the Pembridge Court

1483
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 2: Hotel in notting Hill Gate, which is the street, the

1484
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 2: main street in notting Hill that one I did look up. Okay,

1485
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: notting Hill the film. That makes me crazy because why

1486
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 2: does he like her? Why? Why?

1487
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: Why?

1488
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 2: Anything? That's true too? Okay, So he actually checks into

1489
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 2: this hotel using his real name. He just added the

1490
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 2: fake title lieutenant colonel, but his real name is on

1491
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 2: the book. Does those even go together? I don't know.

1492
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 2: I certainly don't.

1493
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 3: Can you be a lieutenant and a colonel?

1494
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: I mean I would believe him because he did one

1495
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 2: of the things he got in trouble for when he

1496
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: was in the army was misusing uniforms and medals, which

1497
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 2: is like that stolen valor thing. I mean, he's just like,

1498
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: it's like, go be an actor in the theater. Yahool,

1499
01:13:58,439 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 2: that's what you want to do.

1500
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, can call the single lady, all the single ladies.

1501
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 2: Okay. So when he's he's he has taken his hotel room.

1502
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 2: He's out at a bar one night and he meets

1503
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 2: a woman named Yvonne Simmons. He takes her out to dinner.

1504
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 2: He starts to romance her, and he's trying to get

1505
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: her to come back to the hotel room with her

1506
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 2: with him, and she won't go, and so he proposes

1507
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 2: to her, and so she's like, okay, I will no.

1508
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 2: So she got Yvonne. She buys it. He I mean

1509
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 2: he sells it in a way that she can buy it.

1510
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: She goes and foughts him, and the next day she

1511
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: goes back home to Bainbridge, Bainsbridge where she lives I think,

1512
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 2: either with her parents or her parents also live there too.

1513
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 2: And now she thinks, oh, I'm I'm engaged, and and

1514
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: like I'm that's my found. This is an episode of

1515
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 2: down Town Abbey. I mean it really isn't this sad?

1516
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: A sad dark down Nabbey would not be a bad idea? Yeah,

1517
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 2: what's it called? Downer to?

1518
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 3: I was gonna say something else and that's matter.

1519
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: Dinner to Abbey, Thank you so much.

1520
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 3: It's just goth everyone's god place in the Middle Ages.

1521
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: Bless you, blessed, don't you, Darren? If that outs to you,

1522
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: and don't fucking take a note. Oh leave it listening.

1523
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: We are real people. Oh my god, I have thoughts

1524
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 1: and feelings and sneezes.

1525
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. She goes back to Bainsbridge. Four nights later,

1526
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: uh Neville meets a woman named Marjorie Gardner. Now she's

1527
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: an artist. She's thirty two years old. She was married

1528
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 2: to a terrible alcoholic who she's separated from. She's from

1529
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: a middle class family, but she has led a what

1530
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 2: they call a bohemian lifestyle. And yes, exactly right, he

1531
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 2: where's pants exactly? She grew her hair along and put

1532
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 2: a scarf in it. Fuck her. She also, as they

1533
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 2: quote say in Murder Maps, they were like she enjoyed

1534
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: the freedoms. The new freedoms offered two women by the war,

1535
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 2: so basically pants sex, pants, pants sex, and cigarettes and

1536
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: if you want build a bridge, love can build a bridge.

1537
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: So she meets Neville at a bar, same deal. He

1538
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 2: takes her out to dinner. Then they go to the

1539
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 2: Panama Club, which is some private club he belongs to,

1540
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: or so he says. They leave the Panama Club at

1541
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 2: twelfth twenty and they go back to room four at

1542
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 2: the Pembridge Court Hotel. The following day, the assistant manager

1543
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: enters the room because the maid can't get in, and

1544
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,560
Speaker 2: so he comes up, opens the door and Marjorie Gardener's

1545
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 2: body is naked on the bed, covered to the neck

1546
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 2: with sheets. Her ankles are still bound. There's marks on

1547
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 2: her wrist to show that they were bound, but that

1548
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: the restraints had been cut. She had been gagged. There

1549
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 2: were seventeen lacerations on her body caused by a whip.

1550
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she'd been punched in the face at

1551
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: least twice. Oh my god, nipples savagely bit No, no, no, no, no, no,

1552
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 2: I know that's a bad one. She and also to

1553
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 2: me the worst one where she had been raped and

1554
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: then in an instrument had been inserted inside her vagina.

1555
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 2: So I think they said it was like a bottle opener.

1556
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 2: It's horrible looking. Basically an incredibly brutal and savage attack

1557
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 2: on this woman. Is there a crime scene bottle of it? Uh,

1558
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 2: not that I looked, okay, not that I saw okay.

1559
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 2: But there's a very upsetting reenactment because the woman looks

1560
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 2: a lot like the picture they show the picture of Marjorie,

1561
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: and then this actress they got to play her looks

1562
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: almost exactly like her. So it's very real. It's so

1563
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: crazy that supposedly that was his first murder. Supposedly it's true.

1564
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 2: It's not.

1565
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 3: It can't be, like we all know that that's not

1566
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 3: your first murder.

1567
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: If it's that, Yeah, there's a gap of time where

1568
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,839
Speaker 2: he goes from I mean embezzer, I steal, I basically

1569
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 2: no rules apply to me, that early kind of psychopath

1570
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 2: shit of I want to get whatever I want, no

1571
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 2: matter what, and I don't care. But then it goes

1572
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: from there, and then there's all that time where who

1573
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 2: knows what he did.

1574
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: He's in South Africa, he's in the Middle East, you know, yeah,

1575
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: he's he's breaking.

1576
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 2: He's clearly he got you know, would you know discharged

1577
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: from the army for reasons that they're saying that they

1578
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 2: are these crimes, but who knows what the fuck they

1579
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 2: can be? Like, we don't want to, we don't want

1580
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 2: to advertise what else, or they just don't know. They

1581
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 2: just caught him for one thing, but he could be

1582
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: guilty of any fuck man. That's brutal. So the thing

1583
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 2: is uh, And ultimately they find she was suffocated with

1584
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 2: a pillow. That's how she actually died. This is nowhere

1585
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 2: to be found, obviously, since he's signed in under his

1586
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 2: own name. Note though, now he's on the run, and what.

1587
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: Means he didn't wasn't premeditated? No, you know what I mean.

1588
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: That's a very good point.

1589
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you, especially since he's so tricky and

1590
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 2: uses so many aliases everywhere in his life and goes

1591
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 2: so far is to pretend to have a limp and

1592
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 2: wear a monocle that why would he? Then here do

1593
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: fuck up?

1594
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 3: Something pissed him off and he's snacks.

1595
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 2: He snapped, he snapped, maybe who knows? Well. What he

1596
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 2: does do is takes the train to Bainbridge and goes

1597
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 2: to meet his brand new fiance, Yvonne's parents von So Yvonne.

1598
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 2: He's like, guess what I'm coming to visit like everything

1599
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 2: I said was real, I wasn't just super funny. Yeah.

1600
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: He goes to the parents golf club and has dinner

1601
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: with the family. Then they leave and they go out

1602
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 2: to another club for drinks, and he realizes he has

1603
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: to give her his explanation of what happened in that

1604
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 2: room because she was in the room with him. And

1605
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 2: then he knows the story is going to come out

1606
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: that Marjorie Gardner was murdered, so he tells Yvonne that

1607
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 2: he met a man who asked if he could borrow

1608
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 2: his Neville's hotel room key so he could go fuck

1609
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 2: a lady, and Neville was like, sure, no problem, buddy,

1610
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 2: take my key and I'll just go walk around the

1611
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 2: streets whistling with my hands in my pockets all night.

1612
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 2: And then that basically that the murder was some other

1613
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 2: guy killing Marjorie and she was just the unlucky fella that.

1614
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 3: Gave his key to one of the chances.

1615
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean, the ansoor in san.

1616
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,440
Speaker 1: The next day, the newspapers are filled with his picture.

1617
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 2: And pleas to turn himself in, and so the family

1618
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 2: sees it. All these people see it. He writes the

1619
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,839
Speaker 2: police a letter explaining to Marjorie, I mean so explaining

1620
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: that he'd let Marjorie the room key, he went out

1621
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 2: for the night, and then when he came back he

1622
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:58,799
Speaker 2: found her dead body.

1623
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 1: So he changes the story slightly to the police, which

1624
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: we all know is a red flag city.

1625
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: You read flag city. And also apparently he wrote these

1626
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 2: letters all the time. The Neil rou guy talks about

1627
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: how Neville Heath would write letters all the time after

1628
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 2: he did stuff, kind of explaining what his deal was,

1629
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 2: and oftentimes it would lead people to go, that's okay,

1630
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 2: I understand now and let him off the hook. That's

1631
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 2: how he got out of things. And one of the

1632
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 2: theories is he had been doing these things for so

1633
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 2: long and getting away with it that he kind of

1634
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 2: thought he was untouchable and he didn't ever believe. He

1635
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 2: just didn't. He thought everyone would always believe him because

1636
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: they always did.

1637
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: Because people want to believe pretty people. They do believe

1638
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: pretty people over fucking not pretty people. Absolutely, you get

1639
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 1: away with shit and people fucking get charmed by you.

1640
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 2: It's charm. It's that thing of when a certain type

1641
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 2: of person looks at you and presents a thing like

1642
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 2: there are people who just know the power of their

1643
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: own face or their own voice, or their own but

1644
01:21:58,200 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 2: they don't know.

1645
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: That's just what they're in life, right, Well, they think

1646
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: everyone gets treated like that and everyone can do this thing, right.

1647
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: It's a it's quite a combination of like when you

1648
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: have a psychopath that's good looking.

1649
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: Like you know, all doors are open, yeah, fucked, yeah, fucked,

1650
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:15,839
Speaker 1: Hello the Devil.

1651
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 2: So it's my new musical. So okay, He in this

1652
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 2: letter to the police tells them he's he found the

1653
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: whip that she was injured with and he was going

1654
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 2: to bring it with him when he came to talk

1655
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 2: to them. No, and then just and that's it. So

1656
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, but they he's now operating under false

1657
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 2: names again, so he's still he isn't going back to

1658
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 2: the police, he's so he checks in on June twenty third,

1659
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 2: he checks into the Taller Royal Hotel in Bournemouth under

1660
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: the name the fake name group Captain Rupert Brooke. No, yeah,

1661
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 2: it always he always has to have two military names

1662
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: before the fake name. Okay. So and this is like

1663
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 2: about two weeks the murders happened. He's on the loose

1664
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: for two weeks essentially, and He's walking around Bournemouth and

1665
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: he meets a woman named Doreen Marshall. She and her

1666
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 2: friend are also walking around. It's I think Bournemouth from

1667
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 2: what I remember, but this could be wrong, but I

1668
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 2: think it's a seaside town. That's from what I remember

1669
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 2: from murder Mouth. Let's fucking go with this. Steven's gonna

1670
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 2: tell me whether or not. I think I'm right though,

1671
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 2: but I think it's like it's like a little He

1672
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 2: got out of town. Basically, he went to the vacation spot.

1673
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,839
Speaker 2: I'm right, Okay, thank god, because I can't have British

1674
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 2: people angry at me. I can't because they're just stern.

1675
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: They won't yell at you. No, they'll just be disappointed

1676
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 2: and friendly, which I can't hate. I need Irish yelling

1677
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 2: or nothing. Okay, So he goes to Bournemouth to get

1678
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 2: out of town. He's walking around, but he is like voracious,

1679
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 2: he's they they call him. Eventually, they end up calling

1680
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 2: him the lady killer because he's just this womanizer that then,

1681
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 2: of course, is literally a lady killer. He means this

1682
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: scirl Dorian Marshall, and he won't leave her alone. He's

1683
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 2: like honor all day long. And at first she's into it,

1684
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 2: of course because it's the good looking army captain or whatever,

1685
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: the group captain.

1686
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: And then she fucking senses he's a creep, yes, fucking

1687
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: gut feeling tingling, yes.

1688
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 2: And also because he can't I think people like that,

1689
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: they can only keep that certain level of child going

1690
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 2: for so long. So once he's it's like if you're

1691
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 2: especially if you're not going with the direction he's trying

1692
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 2: to take you, then he started getting real pushy and

1693
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 2: real insistent, and in the hotel room, I mean in

1694
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 2: the hotel lobby, he was getting really pushy with her. Dorian. Yeah,

1695
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 2: And the night manager of the hotel actually saw it

1696
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 2: happen and saw her going into a panic about it.

1697
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: And that night manager was the last person to see

1698
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: her alive. Oh no, so he saw some kind of

1699
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 2: weird exchange between the two of them, noticed how weird

1700
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 2: enough to notice, yeah, how unhappy she was, and made

1701
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: a note of it. So the next day, the manager

1702
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 2: of the Taller receives a call from the Norfolk Hotel,

1703
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 2: which is where Doreen was staying, like on a different

1704
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 2: side of town, and they called because she was last

1705
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 2: seen at that hotel getting into a cab to come

1706
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 2: to their hotel, and she never arrived and never came back.

1707
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 2: And I guess the friend was like, that's what I'm assuming.

1708
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 2: The friend was like, you have it was like, we

1709
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: have to figure out where my friend went. And the

1710
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: staff at the Tall and were becoming very suspicious of

1711
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 2: group Captain Rupert Brooke because of all these things they

1712
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 2: were seeing him, you know, these vibes they were getting

1713
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 2: from him and the behavior. So finally the police, meanwhile

1714
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,759
Speaker 2: putting all these things together, put together that Neville Heath

1715
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: and were Brook are the same person, and so uh

1716
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 2: he had he he said he was from some some

1717
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 2: like air force base in uh a place. It's a

1718
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 2: city in It's London. No, no, no, it's like Leicester. Okay,

1719
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 2: but I think it's Leicester. When have you ever cared?

1720
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 2: I know? But suddenly I'm holding my hair about it.

1721
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 2: I know you are trouble.

1722
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,839
Speaker 1: It's because because it's probably like Leicester, Leicester, Leicester.

1723
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably what it is. Probably what it is. Yeah,

1724
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 2: Oh they're so mad. I can I can hear the

1725
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 2: tea spilling across this ocean. The police. It's the thing

1726
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 2: I said of coming back into the police realized Neville

1727
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 2: Heath and Rupert Brooks are the same person, and h

1728
01:26:55,120 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 2: Rupert Brookes sorry, And so they also find in his

1729
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 2: room a train ticket for during Marshall the whip with

1730
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 2: hair on it that was then traced to what's up

1731
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 2: with a whip? Marjorie Gardner? I know that's fucked.

1732
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: That's like a really specific weird thing. Yes, but you

1733
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: had to have it on you, you know what I mean?

1734
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: So like you didn't just grab something and hit the

1735
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: person with it. You like had your whip, yes, you know,

1736
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: and like this is what you were into, right, which

1737
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: also then goes like did he snap or was this

1738
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 1: a build?

1739
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 2: What did he? Yeah?

1740
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: Or the thing of like he brought it out and

1741
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: she wasn't into it and so he attacked her.

1742
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 2: It's like, no, he got off.

1743
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: On well she's and Marjorie was tied up, so like

1744
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: was it fun times tied up and a look I

1745
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: have a whip?

1746
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 2: Or was it like and then it all goes bad?

1747
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 3: Okay, honey.

1748
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 2: So a waitress walking her dog sees a strange swarm

1749
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 2: of flies down near the beach. So then later on

1750
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 2: when she sees the story of Marjorie Gardner's death in

1751
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 2: the paper. She grabs her dad and goes back down

1752
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 2: to that part of the beach to check out what

1753
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 2: the swarm of flies are, and there during Marshall's body

1754
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: is found nude, arms tied behind her back, stabbed to death.

1755
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: I thought she was a vintage murdering. Now she was

1756
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:30,799
Speaker 1: the a ridge a ridge murdering.

1757
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 2: No, because she had to make that connection where she

1758
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 2: was like, I'm sure there was a weird smell too,

1759
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 2: if there was a swarm.

1760
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: Of flies, but it's a bird or whatever the fuck

1761
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: that's right. But she was like, let's dad, let's make sure.

1762
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: And he's like, and she's smart enough to not go,

1763
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to go make sure by myself. Yeah, she's like, hey, dad,

1764
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: father power.

1765
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 2: Okay. So what he what Neville Heath had done when

1766
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 2: he was out of his hotel room, He went back

1767
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 2: by climbing up the outside of the hotel, up what

1768
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 2: they say call a builder's ladder on the side of

1769
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 2: the hotel, and he basically snuck into his own hotel room,

1770
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 2: probably because he was covered in blood and had shit

1771
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 2: all over him and a knife and all that stuff.

1772
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 2: Because he had murdered drain.

1773
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 1: But he then the next morning told the story in

1774
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 1: the lobby with other hotel residents as if it was

1775
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: I pulled this prank on like the doorman.

1776
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 2: So he tried to make it. He was basically trying

1777
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 2: to establish this motive of I was doing this fun, funny,

1778
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 2: crazy thing with the doorman. That's what I was doing

1779
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 2: last night, and that's what you're gonna remember, dupid. So

1780
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 2: when the police questioned him, he claims that he blacked out.

1781
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 2: He'd has no memory of what happened during that night.

1782
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 2: He says that he came to on the beach looking

1783
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 2: at his bloody hands, that he washed his hands in

1784
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 2: the sea and then walked back to the hotel. Oh,

1785
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: but what it turned out happened was he took her

1786
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: down to the beach, attacked her, murdered her there. And

1787
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,839
Speaker 2: before he murdered her, he took off all his clothes

1788
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 2: so that one he was because he knew he would

1789
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 2: be covered in blood. So when he was done stabbing

1790
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 2: her to death, he went in, washed himself in the sea,

1791
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 2: and then came back out and put his clothes on.

1792
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 2: How you know, he knew what he was doing exactly right, Yeah,

1793
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 2: not a snap in this situation anyway, and pre planned

1794
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: when you're like I want to murder somebody, but I

1795
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 2: don't want my clothes to get dirty. Fuck you dude, Yeah, okay, absolutely,

1796
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 2: fuck you dude. On September oh, then he disposed of

1797
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,719
Speaker 2: the knife. The ultimate proof that you're not insane.

1798
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: Sure.

1799
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 2: September twenty fourth, nineteen forty six, the murder trial begins.

1800
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 2: His lawyers tried to claim insanity, and they they did

1801
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 2: it by revealing his previous crimes and then saying this

1802
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: is a progressive mania, then built to murder, and then

1803
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 2: the Neil Rout guy explains that you have to know

1804
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: what you're doing is wrong to cover it up, and

1805
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 2: that's the proof that it's not. You can't do if

1806
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 2: you If they can prove you tried to cover it up,

1807
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 2: then that proves you're not insane.

1808
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: I love that rule, yeah, because it applies to so

1809
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: few actual murders.

1810
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and it's so clear. It's like it makes

1811
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 2: so much sense. So he was found guilty and he

1812
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 2: eventually was hanged for the murders. Holy shit. But up

1813
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 2: until the end, and this is kind of an amazing,

1814
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,520
Speaker 2: like final moment for that show that I loved. Apparently

1815
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 2: the thing they used to do before they hung you

1816
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 2: was they gave you a shot of whiskey, really like

1817
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 2: a glass. You know, it's like they're going to give

1818
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: you dental surgery or they're going to hang you. You're right,

1819
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 2: so you kind of got like one quick thing before

1820
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:03,480
Speaker 2: you went. And he said to the hangman, considering the circumstances,

1821
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 2: you might want to make it a double. Oh my god,

1822
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 2: like to the end, was this insane phony lunatic Because

1823
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 2: that's the coolest line I've ever heard. I mean, it

1824
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 2: isn't bad. I'll say that is clearly a charmer. Yeah,

1825
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 2: the lady killer Neville Heath, we don't do that. We

1826
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 2: only do that live. I forgot, Oh my god, I.

1827
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 1: Because I really buttoned it and I felt like you

1828
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: felt like you had to do. Yeah.

1829
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, shit tough. You say the title

1830
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 2: at the beginning and the end, Yeah, whoa Oh, but

1831
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 2: I am going to tonight in my car by Neil

1832
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 2: Root's book Frenzy. Because this story and then those other three,

1833
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 2: like the way all that information was coming out, we

1834
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 2: were like, this is why people.

1835
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: It's like when that that explanation of people during World

1836
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: War two becoming desensitized to feet and horror and death.

1837
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: And then when the war's over, they still want to

1838
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: know the bad shit because they've already known the bad shit.

1839
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 2: Distraction.

1840
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 3: It's a distraction from your own woes, yes, And.

1841
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 1: They were saying, like, for the soldiers, it's a celebration

1842
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 1: that it's not them. I think that's what it is

1843
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: for us today, you know, like we know these things

1844
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: can happen, and all this horrible shit can happen, and

1845
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: hearing about it makes it legitimizes it and makes it true,

1846
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: and we're aware of it, and we're not trying to

1847
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:34,480
Speaker 1: fucking shelter ourselves from shit, because man, life's a Bitchlice

1848
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 1: a bitch, and we're so lucky.

1849
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 2: We're so lucky. And there was there's another book that

1850
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 2: I'm reading that's about murder in like the early eighteen

1851
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 2: hundreds in England.

1852
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: That's when they would put it out on the broadsheets

1853
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: and it was really popular.

1854
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 2: There would be like a picture here, ye here, ye, yeah,

1855
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 2: they glue it up to a wall or whatever. Sure,

1856
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 2: and it's a I'll get the title of the book

1857
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 2: for next time. But in that the author was saying

1858
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 2: that it was. It's like sitting inside a house when

1859
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 2: there's a rain a thunderstorm outside, where you enjoy the

1860
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 2: rain drops on the window pane. That's exactly it, because

1861
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 2: you're inside in the warmth with protection, That's exactly it.

1862
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: Or like when you're in an earthquake and you know

1863
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 1: it's not going to be that bad and you're just like,

1864
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: this is so fucking cool and fascinating.

1865
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's boundaries.

1866
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wow, Yeah, that's fucking cool.

1867
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back, Karen. Any updates on this epic World

1868
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: War II story.

1869
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 2: No updates for that story specifically, But we did get

1870
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 2: this email from a listener in twenty seventeen, and it's

1871
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,759
Speaker 2: written a very British person wrote this email, so please

1872
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 2: bear with me as I do this incorrectly. It just

1873
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 2: starts family dinners. You never know what exciting little tidbits

1874
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 2: will be disclosed during Toad in the Hole, and then

1875
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 2: wrote disease. It says we probably weren't actually eating that,

1876
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 2: but doesn't it sound so deliciously British of us just

1877
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 2: jump right in. It says, there, I was listening to

1878
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 2: stories about my cousin's new boyfriend Neville when my aunt

1879
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 2: pipes up with isn't it funny that his name is Neville?

1880
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 2: I say why because of Nevill Longbottom and Harry Potter.

1881
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 2: I mean, how many other Nevill's do you know? And

1882
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,719
Speaker 2: then she says no, because of your granddad's cousin, Neville

1883
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 2: Heath the serial killer. And then it says wait, excuse me,

1884
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 2: picture shock, followed by thoughts that this might be the

1885
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 2: best dinner ever, and then it just says SSDGM bye. Tarn.

1886
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 1: Taren, I love like no info, no details, just letting

1887
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: us know that it's like, that's what we want.

1888
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 2: Taren recaptured the moment where she heard the craziest piece

1889
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 2: of news of like, you're potentially related to this horror

1890
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 2: show that you just heard about.

1891
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 1: And this is the only place this podcast where you

1892
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: can say that and people will go no way, Oh

1893
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: my god, why I.

1894
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 2: Understand what you mean.

1895
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:58,839
Speaker 1: Oh all right, let's head back in for good things

1896
01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: of the week.

1897
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 2: One happy thing? Should we end on that?

1898
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, botox? Now can they can we pause? No,

1899
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 1: don't edit that out. But that's not my thing. I mean,

1900
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: it really is, just.

1901
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 2: Oh I'll say one. Okay. We did the la Podfest

1902
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 2: last weekend. It was super fun. We did a great

1903
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 2: show with Casey RW where we got to the guest DJs,

1904
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 2: so fun. We did our own live show. I did

1905
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 2: the stand up show. It was like a hangout at

1906
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:40,440
Speaker 2: the Biltmore and we got to meet all these listeners

1907
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 2: that came specifically to the podfast and people drove in

1908
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 2: from far away, people from Arizona. Remember the guy last

1909
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 2: year that we met at LA Podfest. His name was

1910
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 2: Joe and he gave us those La Corners office mugs. Yes, yes,

1911
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 2: I still have mine. Well, he came back again and

1912
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 2: gave us a travel mug and an apron also from

1913
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 2: the Corner's office. And I went, sorry, remind me, do

1914
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 2: you work at the Corner's office? He goes, no, I

1915
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 2: just love that they have a gift shop. And there

1916
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 2: was just like we met so many cool people and

1917
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 2: actually got to like yeah for a second and talk

1918
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 2: to people. It was really nice.

1919
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 1: It felt very much like a like we're all just chilling,

1920
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: yeah situation. It's very fun.

1921
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 2: And those and I will say it for that stand

1922
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 2: up show, which I don't love doing anymore just because

1923
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't work on it and whatever, but that was

1924
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 2: fun because it's an audience of people who really love

1925
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 2: and care about comedy for the most part for that

1926
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 2: podcast anyway, So it was like they were with you

1927
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 2: the entire time. Like it was. It was so fun

1928
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:45,600
Speaker 2: to do a set like that because everyone had the

1929
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 2: best sense of you.

1930
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Speaker 1: It's almost like they weren't waiting for you to make

1931
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Speaker 1: them laugh. They were like, let's all enjoy this.

1932
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like how when we do ours where you

1933
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 2: already have the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, so everyone's

1934
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 2: ready to just go where you want to go, right, No,

1935
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Speaker 2: I love that. That's great. It was. Yeah, so thank

1936
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 2: you La podcast Dave, Anthony Grammel would Chris Mancini. It

1937
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: was super fun.

1938
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely was. Give me one second, what do

1939
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: I like about this world? It just can't also be

1940
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 1: like selfish, like what I don't know, because yours was

1941
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: very sweet and giving, like being alone. No, I think

1942
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 1: that's really good to you. Of course you can leave

1943
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: us a list part in So Vince was gone last week,

1944
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: missed him, love him. It's so quite and weird here

1945
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: without him. But God, there's something about being alone and

1946
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: just like watch whatever you want to watch and lots

1947
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: of farting and drinking, you know, drink having a drink

1948
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 1: and talking to your cats and like singing stupid songs.

1949
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Speaker 1: And I just really enjoy that a lot. Yeah, in

1950
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Speaker 1: a way. That's like, doesn't mean I don't love Vince.

1951
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Speaker 2: Oh, of course not. You know, no, no, no, I

1952
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 2: think it's it's almost like a resetting. Yeah, when you

1953
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 2: can just get a little I mean I've gone. You

1954
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 2: have to be careful though, because then after a while,

1955
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 2: like I think I have thin skin about it where

1956
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 2: I need now becoming that kind of person where like

1957
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 2: I need things to be a certain way because I'm

1958
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 2: so used to always only having things exactly where I

1959
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 2: want them, which isn't good.

1960
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1961
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Speaker 1: But then when you meet someone you really like, you're like, oh,

1962
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: I like the way he does that stupid thing.

1963
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

1964
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Speaker 1: Now, It's like or I had some greeting or some

1965
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Speaker 1: like saying I saw a long time ago that said like,

1966
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: when you don't like someone, the way they eat pisses

1967
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 1: you off. When you like someone, they could spill food

1968
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: on you and you'd be so thrilled about it, like

1969
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 1: something like that, where it's just depends on the person.

1970
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true, but there's there is something very

1971
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 2: zen about just like being in silence or just kind

1972
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 2: of doing what you want and not always for so long,

1973
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 2: I really always had to have like three people around

1974
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Speaker 2: me at all.

1975
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just kind of knowing yourself too, and knowing

1976
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 1: what you would be like alone in your schedule, and

1977
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 1: like how you would fall asleep at night, which is

1978
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: apparently on a fucking naked bed with my fucking vintage

1979
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Speaker 1: comforter and no sheath and no sheets covering me. And

1980
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of cool to check beck in

1981
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 1: with yourself like that.

1982
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's really good. Yeah, and then move

1983
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Speaker 2: in scam home.

1984
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 1: I was like, great, I gotta be a human again,

1985
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Speaker 1: and I actually have to shower.

1986
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very strict about that stuff.

1987
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, being alone considerate considerate for a hot second, and

1988
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Speaker 1: we're back.

1989
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Speaker 2: Okay, So we originally titled this episode Peak Experience, but.

1990
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Speaker 1: If we were naming it today based on the episode

1991
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 1: that just happened, maybe we would call it.

1992
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 2: We could call it swear to Almost, which was Georgia

1993
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 2: being almost positive that Danny Glover was the host of

1994
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 2: Cold Case Files. So instead is like swear to God

1995
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 2: that means I was right because I wasn't right. It

1996
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 2: was right for you to backtrack. That's right. Okay.

1997
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Speaker 1: We could also call it Giants for you, because I

1998
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 1: love that you have that interest, Karen.

1999
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 2: Giants for you. Of course, me and sister Rita Rose,

2000
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 2: who my foundational memory of am Daviel horrors with that

2001
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 2: old old nun who also taught my mother we've got

2002
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 2: insane phony lunatic love. Love that. And then of course

2003
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 2: Downerton Abby, Abby, that's the really dark, sad goth down

2004
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,799
Speaker 2: to Abby. I still think that's a great idea. That's funny.

2005
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 2: All right. Well let's have Elvis say goodbye back in

2006
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 2: the pod loft in twenty seventeen. All right, well, thanks

2007
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 2: for listening, stay sexy and don't get murdered. Bye bye, Elvis.

2008
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,799
Speaker 3: VI's your microphone, Elvis won a corn cookie?

2009
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 2: Whoa hello? You just bleue noors on that one. Bye bye, Yeah,

2010
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Speaker 2: we heard you.